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#beta-ptr-spoilers
terse patrol
terse patrol
We closed the old portal to Draenor
dense plover
considering the bronze dragons opened a portal to a past AU
terse patrol
I guess we opened up a new one
dense plover
and now they open to present AU
terse patrol
Yeah
dense plover
which would explain the changes to gorgrond
terse patrol
Makes sense
dense plover
the lack of jungle
terse patrol
Let the Orcs and Draenor recover from the war
My hope is we’ll get some AU Draenei characters.
Since we see Rangari.
In BFa
meager warren
past AU?
terse patrol
BFA*
meager warren
outland is in main universe
terse patrol
no
We mean
sigh
Okay. Listen carefully.
We went to the PAST AU. When we left it, we closed that portal.
Now that we’re going back, we’re opening a portal to the present of that same AU.
Grommash is old now.
tight wagon
Any info on racials?
uncut vault
Im happy and sad about the timeline stuff
on one hand, makes it less timey wimey, on the other, I have to retcon like two years of RP on my paladin
meager warren
ok
uncut vault
yeah I have to say that now, luckily hes a draenei but
2 years of guild RP that isnt canon anymore
terse patrol
Tru
meager warren
you could retcon him to be a timelord
or maybe
don't retcon him and just say he traveled to another dimension
so basically both
tulip sun
I feel like it is confirmed we go to future draenor
Grom had an old man model lol
And i slept all afternoon...literally. whyyyyyy, when a build comes out
tropic trail
what timeline stuff is happening?
tulip sun
I think we head to future AU draenor
terse patrol
Its not future Draenor.
It’s present day AU Draenor.
The Draenor we go to in Warlords was 35 years ago.
This is thirty five years -later-, aka the same time as Azeroth is now
sharp bluff
^^
tulip sun
Well, future from last we went
sharp bluff
WoD was Back to the future,
now it is the present day
meager warren
WoD wasn't back to the future though since it was in the past
tropic trail
how much HP does lv120 brings? same as cata or mop lv90?
tulip sun
36 new mission table characters...
meager warren
hopefully this time we can use all of them instead of letting some of them sit in stagnation. that was one of the only things i hated about legion
sharp bluff
Alright, back to the future 3
tulip sun
I hated choosing 20 out of so many in WoD
runic verge
so
important question
does the new arcane torrent dispel paladin bubble and mage iceblock?
dapper cosmos
Looks like they added the maps for the individual zones in this build.
olive mirage
this new resto druid 100 talent 🤔
Photosynthesis While your Lifebloom is on yourself, your Rejuvenations heal 20% faster.
While your Lifebloom is on an ally, your periodic heals on them have a 5% chance to cause it to bloom.
dense plover
King Wrynn, there is someone else you should meet.
Along with your champion, she was instrumental in saving our kingdom - and my life.
It is an honor to meet you, King Wrynn. I am Taelia.
Taelia Fordragon.
Fordragon?!
Bolvar's daughter. Raised under our protection since the Third War.
Taelia... please, rise. The honor is mine.
Did you know my father?
Highlord Bolvar was a great man. A true hero of the Alliance - and to me.
I remember now - he used to write you letters. He had a nickname for you-
"My shining star."
The letters stopped coming. I... I have so many questions.
Taelia, when you are ready, come to Stormwind. I will tell you all you wish to know about your father.
i knew it!
tropic trail
🤔
dense plover
new moon is a talent
and they got rid of astral communion
im 100% satisfied
leg sweep for monk is baseline now
dim flower
Rip rage of the sleeper
karmic copper
Mag'har are on alpha, haven't played them yet definetily will when I get home.
rich apex
They're very snazzy
karmic copper
Ye, I've got a name reserved for mine already! Gárrösh. Definetly will see lots of Garrosh's, not only in the quests but everywhere!
rich apex
karmic copper
And I've been farming tusks, stopped midway cause I got bored but im gonna continue the infinite torture of farming them until I get them
rich apex
kek
karmic copper
thats gonna be my set
whenever i get these damn tusks
kinda weird that blizzard didnt give me alot of items in alpha
have no appearences
true matrix
man those new raid sets look... pretty bland
uncut vault
ho damn, that plate set is niiiiice
rich apex
Creepy face masks 👌 👌 👌
uncut vault
Im more into the chestpiece
uncut vault
finally collars that arent pasted onto the chest
vocal sparrow
no picture uploads to this channel? That's weird
Cause I found something intresting in stormwind I'm not sure if is on live
true matrix
post a link to an imgur upload?
elder otter
I changed the permissions
vocal sparrow
Wow I didn't expect someone to actully change em. Cool! But yeah saw this on the Alpha, not sure if they're there on live
the other two are just named Riftwarden Acolyte. Sometimes a patrolling ghostblade will wander over and emote at them, or they'll emote amongst themselves
uncut vault
Tfw been asking for that since the channel opened
elder otter
Never saw it 😉
narrow rose
hey i have a question how do we acces to new allied races in alpha ?
narrow rose
nice thank you
elder otter
@narrow rose http://www.wowhead.com/allied-races
narrow rose
Hey sas!
elder otter
true matrix
ah, honk. good to see you.
terse patrol
“Kind of you to say, but if I had to choose between satisfying honor and getting the job done, I'll pick the latter every time. For the Alliance, of course.”
“Oh, of course.”
@uncut vault
“When you learned that Turalyon was alive, did it cause you to question your devotion? Your choices?”
“I know my faith was well-placed.”
“Your faith in the Light? Or in Turalyon?”
Shaw is asking some very nosey questions.
vocal sparrow
...Garona firmly allying herself with the horde feels like another charcter assaination to force fan favorite Netural NPCs of a horde race to pick a side in the war
terse patrol
I kinda feel like some of the lines might be fake.
And are done just to cause discussions.
Garona wouldn’t willingly try and murder Anduin.
vocal sparrow
At least they softened the Voss thing with her pointing out, and being correct in that the guy would be a monster
Her joining her forsaken though is still weird
mint arch
didnt u know, this is the greatest war evar being fought by everyone so everyone now is picking a side
fck past lore/personalities/characters/w.e
sigh
should've named the xpac World of Warcraft: Forced
When the Lich King's hold over us was broken, Sylvanas sought allies. Instead of embracing their fallen kin of Lordaeron, the humans spurned us. Hunted us. So I vowed to hunt them.
riiiight, after facing the scourge, let's go ahead and trust some more undead into our faction
jesus blizzard -_-
sudden oak
the blood elves also rejected the forsaken when Sylvanas asked for help
but they didnt murder them
most of the emissaries Sylvanas sent to the alliance never came back
mint arch
wasnt it that those emissaries never reached the alliance
sudden oak
never made it to the main city
because surely they were killed inside alliance lands without reaching stormwind
mint arch
u cant really blame em for that can u, undead showing up and all
honestly, alliance would never accept undead
meh, just another case of blizzard trying to over-simplify shit
to push their narrative
garona for example....
just -_-
love this line though
When the last of his subjects has been slain and raised Forsaken, the boy-king will kneel before the Dark Lady. And at long last, there will be but one queen to rule them all.
sure is a nice war "for the horde"
tropic trail
Where from
sudden oak
you cant blame nathanos either for hating the alliance
sudden oak
he is a resentful undead fuelled by revenge
mint arch
but then its just one line... w/e
tis funny, ppl like to cry about Genn being vengeful
tropic trail
Wat. Why would people cry about that
mint arch
cry = complain
sudden oak
I mean he is
tropic trail
I know
mint arch
but ya, ppl love to try and say that Genn is a warmonger and blinded by hate and blah blah
Genn is vengeful for sure
sudden oak
but atleast nathanos doesnt disobey direct orders
mint arch
nathanos will blindly follow sylvanas anywhere
its his thing
ya, he's a leader with issues against Sylvanas and wants her dead
tropic trail
I'd rather have a vengeful soldier than a vengeful leader
mint arch
and he went against an order from Anduin, but the outcome was positive
technically nathanos is a leader, or like a general or w/e
sylvanas uses him to lead shit
sudden oak
but what if the outcome of the stormheim assault wasnt positive?
mint arch
and ive yet to see how Genn has done anything bad for "his vengeance" apart from 1 disobedience
sudden oak
he hasnt done anything else since cataclysm
mint arch
true
mint arch
the outcome of stormheim was 100% positive
he stopped sylvanas from enslaving the valkyr
and being in cahoots with Helya
and risking Odyn being massively pissed, an ally we needed
ya, the risk is there
he can go wild worgen and risk things
sudden oak
yeah but greymane wont be always so lucky to trip in important forsaken plans all the time
mint arch
sure, he got lucky for sure
so garona's reason to join the horde..... "its my home"
wut
-_-
true matrix
rubs temples
mint arch
i hope blizzard are making it out to be something more
true matrix
the writing for this expansion seems like a mess so far
mint arch
^
agreed
with Voss... its aite, i can see her wanting to be with the forsaken... but her supporting Sylvanas spreading undeath is just -_-
mint arch
World of Warcraft: Forced
and we know the old gods are gonna come into play mid-expansion
so why the fck are they doing so much forcing?
true matrix
battle for(ced) azeroth
like christ I want to be excited but
almost every new thing I hear about it just makes me 😬
mint arch
im more excited for the technology in BFA than anything lore wise
warfronts could be expanded into normal PvE and that'd be awesome
making zones more dynamic
or islands NPC AI pushed out into zones/raids/dungeons
or warfronts as PvP
split valley
Don’t forget weather 2.0
sharp crescent
Maya the Bee !
ruby prawn
How do you get it
true matrix
BZZZZZZZZZZ
dim flower
He’s still our God.
true matrix
sharp bluff
So we are finally seeing more of Voljiin’s kids?
At de time, Zul's vision of a grand troll empire seemed very tempting to my father
Oh and look, newly raised forsaken do have free will
And what am I left with? Become a mindless servant to Sylvanas?
You serve no one. Join the Forsaken and carve your own path. You'll be amongst those who accept you for what you've become.
Look at that, Voljiins kid and free will
Also Bolvars daughter... I wonder how that will come into play...
cinder knoll
ye and humans still judge them by their look
river dirge
Well, not really though. I don't think that a warcry such as "Death to the living" is one that gets you many PR points with anyone.
And humans still judge them because they're led by Sylvanas, who broke her deal with Garithos, betrayed him and the New Alliance and nicked Lordaeron from them after they had struck a deal. Kinda hard to forget that sort of thing.
cinder knoll
you probably dont know what I was refering to
"And what am I left with? Become a mindless servant to Sylvanas?
You serve no one. Join the Forsaken and carve your own path. You'll be amongst those who accept you for what you've become."
there is a bit more text to this one
river dirge
My problem with that is that I remember that quest... was it in the Silverpine questline? I always misremember who it involves, but was it the attack to the Dalaran mages and warriors there?
cinder knoll
because he ask this question after he was raised in undeath to be able to live again and protect his family, he asked for that... and his family declined him
river dirge
Dalaran mages are raised by Sylvanas and isntantly turn on those who were their allies seconds ago.
cinder knoll
who you are talking to Koko? 😄 Im not sure now
I was refering to data mined text from BFA, nothing to do with what you said
river dirge
I'm speaking in general, regarding the concept of Forsaken free will. It's not all that clear to me that it's completely free will.
Or at least, that one isn't somehow changed in subtle ways when recovering their free will.
cinder knoll
well Im not expert on this one, but Forsaken had always free will, thats the point of them, they became forsaken when they got free will after breaking from Lich Kings control
not sure if something else happened later
sharp bluff
BFA says free will on a fresh raised guy
Old forsaken had free will once they broke free, nothing new there, even the new intro ( the one with Voss) shows free will
But this shows newly raised have it
Like right after death
cinder knoll
ye but undead are no longer raised by Lich King, so when they arent raised by him, they should have free will
cinder knoll
Vris? 😄
he is always the one opposing someone here
but I really dont know in this case
sharp bluff
I shall not say a name 😉
river dirge
I'm not saying they lack free will myself, mind, they obviously have free will.
cinder knoll
also players are actually also newly raised forsaken
when you spawn in Deathknell, you are welcomed by Valkyr, arent you?
river dirge
What I'm not so sure is that it's the same exact will they had pre-death, since their soul (at least that lore has been changed) gets tampered with in the resurrection process.
cinder knoll
long time since I played forsaken
sharp bluff
Well this one is, Voss was the same
cinder knoll
Nathanos also never lost the feelings for Sylvanas, they changed a bit, but they are still there
sharp bluff
Nathan is apparently the same, he gives reasons in the datamined test
river dirge
Then again we never meet Lilian Voss before she dies.
sharp bluff
True, but she tries to go back
cinder knoll
well she dont even know she is undead when you meet her
river dirge
Which isn't incompatible with her being fundamentally changed from what she was before, which is what I argue that could well be the case.
(But eh, it's one of those arguments in the "we don't really know" area, so it's all speculation on my part).
The way the Devs kind of explained these slips of free will in questing though seems to be that when someone dies in combat or under heavy stress they're in a bit of a frenzied state and they're often used to fight their allies, and then after that combat is over (and they have survived their former allies, possibly) they are given their choice to join the Forsaken or go do their thing, which is a bit of a fine line.
But yeah, in reality we can assume that Forsaken do have free will, but it's a mix of two things: 1) the Forsaken have a vested interest in having newly raised Undead join them, so they'll do their marketing spiel of "well you can go out to a world where everyone hates you and try to make it on your own, or you can join our cool club for cool boys like you and me!", giving them a pretty weighted choice (as any smart, numb person would do) and 2) The Alliance can't ever be fully sure that any splinter group isn't just secretly an Undercity mole.
sharp bluff
but the Alliance already has mole(machine)s lol
river dirge
And 3) "game mechanics lul"
cinder knoll
its not really about marketing, humans are making this for the horde... just read that datamined part on wowhead... father from family dying and asking for becoming undead so he can return and protect his family...
then getting banished by his family as a monster
that really helps you decide which side you like
its the part with Lilian Voss
also there is a confirmation that not all forsaken are happy about their leader, so you cant judge them just by Sylvanas behavior
bad things just happen, some of them have big consequences
dim flower
Yeah remember when the council rebelled or whatever
And we had to attack Undercity
After ICC
cinder knoll
that was different, but similar, in this case they were the read bad guys, Varimathras sided with Legion
dim flower
Iwa
cinder knoll
in BFA, there is a new council which looks like they want diplomatic ways of doing things, they are not bad guys here
at least from what we know
dim flower
I was referring to the old one
cinder knoll
ye I know, thats why I mentioned Varimathras, because he was the leader of that rebelion in WOTLK
together with Putress
cinder knoll
which one is the old one? 😄
dim flower
The one with Azuregos
cinder knoll
ah you mean zone
true matrix
oh you mean the zone
cinder knoll
I think I dont really miss it, I remember questing there in Vanilla and TBC and it was horrible 😄 just few quests and rest of the zone was empty
sudden oak
@river dirge the dalaran mages from silverpine were raised just as soon as they died a horrible death when someone who died under alot of stress is risen they enter in a blood lust haze state
and they bearly know enemy from friend
cinder knoll
I was never the grind type guy, I was the guy who was traveling around the world to get every possible quest so I dont have to grind 😄
sudden oak
thats what happens in the questlines of silverpine forest
dim flower
Oof but that takes too much time
sudden oak
the tidesage was sick and knew he was going to die soon and his only worry was his poor family
thus having free will as soon as risen
strange falcon
dim flower
OOOOOOOF
sudden oak
this is art
cinder knoll
hehe, do anyone think that alliance could actually burn teldrassil down?
their armies were sent to Silithus from the dialogue datamined, so they are weak to defend... would they rather burn it than let the horde own it?
river dirge
I find it -really- unlikely.
cinder knoll
ye me too especially due to Night elf nature connection, they wouldnt do that imo, but I still think its possible
river dirge
Teldrassil has a very specific importance to the Night Elves because it's their one possible ticket to regaining immortality.
If the Alliance ever burnt it the Night Elves wouldn't be able to justify staying part of it.
cinder knoll
well Nordrassil is still there
ruby star
@strange falcon doubt it xD
sudden oak
I highly doubt nelves can go back to being immortal
since it would need the blessing of nozdormu
river dirge
I know, but you can still count on winning the blessing, Teldrassil already has the other two.
dim flower
And Nozdormu is a raxist
sudden oak
and as far as we know the aspects lost most of their powers back in dragon soul
dim flower
I’m kidding I’m tired
Why though
Because the Black one fell, did we have an imbalance and caused their powers to be ripped away?
cinder knoll
no they spent their power to stop Deathwing
river dirge
But honestly, it's really not very Kaldorei to go ahead and destroy your own home (and Temple of Elune) just so the Horde can't capture it.
river dirge
What I think will happen is something involving Sylvanas not really being aware of how powerful the Azerite really is.
dim flower
Never thought titan powers run out
cinder knoll
but there is not only Kaldorein in alliance, maybe someone did what he must have... maybe some SI7 secret order in case of problems
river dirge
Or not being aware of a reaction the azerite causes in the tree.
cinder knoll
and make it like horde did that
true matrix
actually nozdormu refused to bless nordrassil (this was when the aspects still had their power). ysera and alexstrasza agreed to bless it though iirc
river dirge
Yes, they did.
But yeah, what I think will happen is either that Azerite has a weird, unexpected effect or provokes a terrible unaccounted for reaction...
... or the big bads from below the sea interfere as Teldrassil is attacked and just take their chance.
cinder knoll
because from a war perspective, if they were weakened, why wouldnt horde just capture it instead of burning it? unless reinforcements came maybe?
river dirge
The datamined text keeps saying "capture the World Tree".
Shandris even says that they believe she wants to capture it.
cinder knoll
and based on the books, Ashenval is already lost, so if they have some forces, they are quite far away on south
river dirge
The Horde, as per datamined text + the chapters we saw go all the way to Darkshore.
cinder knoll
for sure
river dirge
Well Sylvanas has her back turned, tbh
dim flower
Realizing the repercussions as it looks deliberate.
It doesn’t look like that
In the picture
Teldrassil is out though
I thought
river dirge
But yeah, she does look shaken, but that's why I'm inclined to think that she didn't expect the tree to blow up.
cinder knoll
ye
dim flower
I like to believe she didn’t mean for it to happen, but because it did, she expects the alliance to retaliate, causing this war.
river dirge
But we don't know if it's her direct action or something else that does it, but even then it's quite arguable that it wouldn't have happened if nto for Sylvanas' attack.
Well Sylvanas already states before getting to Teldrassil that they're already at war.
sharp bluff
I would be confused too if I saw Nomi walking away from the tree...
river dirge
What we still don't know or at least I didn't ever read is if there's something prior that triggers the attack.
dim flower
Probably Azurite testing?
sharp bluff
Nomi for fire lord 2020
river dirge
Because the whole "the entire Sentinel Army is going to Feralas leaving Kaldorei lands undefended" seems absolutely stupid to me.
cinder knoll
they went for more Azerite to Silithus?
terse patrol
Interesting how Alleria and the Void Elves are attempting to assassinate Gallywix.
cinder knoll
Seething shore
river dirge
Well yeah, Seething Shore is off Feralas innit?
cinder knoll
yes it is
river dirge
So that was my thought too.
karmic copper
nope in silithus
river dirge
But taking the entire army there seems rather dumb to me.
cinder knoll
Seething shore is between Silithus and Feralas
you can see the sword even from Tanaris 😄
river dirge
Then again Blizzard seems rather adept at making the Kaldorei look utterly stupid.
cinder knoll
well not sure now, but I saw it from Uldum 😃
true matrix
blizzard only like the night elves for marketing purposes 😿
terse patrol
Ye. One issue I have atm, is how the Horde manages to steamroll the Alliance all the way to Teldrassil, all the while mocking the Alliance.
Then the Alliance only barely wins at Lordaeron
river dirge
Well they explain it in those chapters they released...
But the explanation seems rather unsatisfactory to me.
Then again I'm biased for the elves.
cinder knoll
@terse patrol as said, their armies were elsewhere, so they were weakened, makes sense
river dirge
I get it that the Horde and particularly the Forsaken have best of the best assassins, but still.
terse patrol
The Horde get a heroic defense of Lordaeron, while the Alliance get spanked at both battles, and only manage to turn it around at the last moment at Lordaeron.
idk
river dirge
They incapacitate pretty much every guard outpost out there like it's nothing, with assassins killing entire scores of Sentinels in their own forests, like they're children.
terse patrol
I guess it’s time for the Alliance to take more lickings from the Horde.
river dirge
idk, the one flavor thing that elves had is that they had absolute control over their forests, and defended them with almost predatory zeal.
And somehow nobody seems to even notice that a few pairs of assassins are sticking daggers in their face.
cinder knoll
maybe they werent expecting that? defending against big and laud orcs is one thing, but assasins? thats a bigger deal, add the moment of oppurtunity
river dirge
I'd get it that they could strike at some outpost or another, but we're talking outposts defended by entire scores of night elves (including commanders). In that chapter the only reason the elves even learn of the plan is because one of the Forsaken assassins gets mortally wounded and just gloats about what they've done.
sharp bluff
well Alliance didn't bring in the mecha Calvary till last second... should used them sooner
river dirge
I'm all for drama, don't get me wrong, as a NE player and a roleplayer I'm quite happy to have Teldrassil burn.
The pieces they've given us thus far though seem to indicate that we're going to get trampled again without much to show that the race is even worth anything, despite having some of the most powerful mortals among them.
But hopefully this is given a bit more depth when we actually get the full picture.
cinder knoll
right now next thing we get should be Nobbels video about the story in the books comming in the CE
looking forward to it 😄
uncut vault
really not a fan of the new map stuff
fierce otter
hey guys
is anyone of you unlocked the World Quests in alpha? or its just bugged only for me
mint arch
the reason the horde can storm thru to Teldrassil is the same reason we have garon/voss joining the horde, same reason tauren are cool with the blight all of a sudden, so on and so on
blizzard are forcing this shit so damn hard
they dont care if anything makes sense
battle for(ced) azeroth
sharp bluff
Or you know, survival of civilians > use of blight
Dont alliance flat out kill civies in BfL?
mint arch
i believe its established that all civilians were already evacuated, u do this in part 1 of the horde scenario
so by the time she uses the blight, there's nothing to do with civilians
in either case, use of the blight, it's never going to make sense for tauren to be cool with that
druids, shamans, so on
sharp bluff
I that case your ignoring the troll and orc shamans
mint arch
i meant all the horde shamans and druids and whatnot
sharp bluff
A tactical retreat makes sense, retreating and covering your back also makes sense, saying this from a tactical stand point
sharp bluff
She isn’t good, but we all know Greymane is bad in his own way also
languid yoke
not as bad as her
sharp bluff
No one is good
terse patrol
greymane totally raises his own people
languid yoke
true
terse patrol
lmao
sharp bluff
Greymane left people on his doorstep to die
languid yoke
he just secluded his area from the rest of the kingdoms for survival, not so others die
Sylvanas just kills people.
mint arch
sylvanas is involved in the burning of a world tree, blighting her own forces, raising undead of her own forces, going against forsaken rules of undead, so on
languid yoke
casual reminder that Sylvanas even did things that were unhonorable to Garrosh
to GARROSH
mint arch
^
languid yoke
Gilneas blighting says hi
languid yoke
defending Sylvanas and then saying Greymane is as bad is just silly
sharp bluff
Garrosh did the same, time paradox’s aren’t exactly fun
languid yoke
he was tricked into the paradox
mint arch
here's nathanos: "When the last of his subjects has been slain and raised Forsaken, the boy-king will kneel before the Dark Lady. And at long last, there will be but one queen to rule them all."
totally not evil
terse patrol
To be fair
sharp bluff
I’m not defending her, using blight to cover your back is sound tactics
terse patrol
If he opened that gate, the Cult of the Damned would have gotten in, along with the plague.
mint arch
on paper, u can make that argument as a tactic
terse patrol
Gilneas would be an undead wasteland.
languid yoke
it's not tactics
sharp bluff
Maybe, but he didn’t try to help,therefore we don’t know
Voidox, do you know the tactic about salting the earth?
mint arch
"ends justify any means" is the new horde
sharp bluff
Salting the earth = blighting the town, it makes a lot of sense
Russia did it how many times
Sound and proven
mint arch
riiiight, so that shows even more how much sylvanas doesnt care
she'd rather aim to salt the earth and not care about her army caught in the blight
xD
i though the blight was for her "tactical retreat"?
sharp bluff
The army is evacuating at this time, she doesn’t care about the corpses
BIG difference
mint arch
u mean she doesnt care about the horde army still alive
caught in the blight
that she then raises
to undead
XD
get a mask, go spread the blight
fck all who's caught
terse patrol
She's raising both orcs and tauren, who are super against being undead.
sharp bluff
Undead can’t live in blight so... your logic is flawed
sharp bluff
Protect the living with the dead, I think GW2 did something similar
mint arch
man, what a nice way to die for her army, they must be really motivated to follow her after that
terse patrol
gotta do them mental gymnastics to make her seem good.
mint arch
im so baffled that baine and lorthemar are just cool with this -_-
terse patrol
"b-but greymane"
sharp bluff
Most of them aren’t there
mint arch
ur new faction is lead by a person who literally doesn't care about anyone but herself
and is in a war for her own purpose of raising new Forsaken
sharp bluff
Actually does blight effect void?
mint arch
hmm, does it?
sharp bluff
Serious question
mint arch
it affected fel right?
terse patrol
Nathanos even says that Sylvanas intends on killing every single member of the Alliance, and raise them as Forsaken.
She wants a planet of undead.
sharp bluff
So no idea on blight vs void
mint arch
i could see demons being affected, but not void
sharp bluff
We’ll demons I think it worked on, but they respawn anyways
mint arch
@terse patrol nah mate, we still have ppl defending her and saying "anything goes" in war
mainly forsaken players on the forum xD
sharp bluff
Well technically yes from a tactical standpoint, winners write history
mint arch
though now it'd be different
demons respawn is gone now
or greatly reduced
i forget if they can still respawn in the twisting nether
sharp bluff
Probably reduced, otherwise warlocks would get weak
sharp bluff
Sounds right
river dirge
I really look forward to Baine's reactions to the raising of Tauren as skelecows and the invasion of Kaldorei lands.
It really does feel like the expansion might end up with Baine as Warchief with Saurfang as a second (if he makes it through) and going back to the classic Horde roots.
(to me anyway)
Also pls make Hamuul be relevant with the Teldrassil thing if Malfurion gets bonk'd.
sharp bluff
I don’t think Baine will, since we see Voljiins kid doing some things
We might get an answer
wild pewter
Is there any Teldressil stuff to play?
rich apex
There's the first two quests for it
But
it bugs after that
Someone in another channel suggested it may have accidentally been put in the build
Because you have to go find Anduin to get the quest, you don't automatically get it like you do for Undercity
uncut vault
What racism?
meager warren
Did you not read the latest broadcast text page, port?
uncut vault
Yeah I did, what racism?
terse patrol
That’s an exchange between Shandris and another woman named Areiel.
I assume Areiel is a Nightborne. Maybe a Naga, though.
@meager warren
That wasn’t Sylvanas though.
uncut vault
shes a dark ranger
meager warren
🤔
river dirge
Well, also Areiel might as well have been Highborne/Kaldorei and gotten exiled and turned High Elf, then Undead.
Troll wars were almost 3000 years ago so that also would hint at Night Elves having taken part somehow.
Weird how humans kinda forgot they existed though. Guess they just didn't meet or something.
eternal maple
this is not at all on topic, but I just gotta hop in and say I love the voice acting of the alliance girl Taelia, I hope she plays a big part later on too 😄
river dirge
There's already all sorts of speculation on Taelia. She's a Fordragon, so I'm willing to say she's going to be pretty damn important.
eternal maple
The voice is relaxed even with that accent, not like the worgen that sounds all posh. Sounds hopeful that she'll be around for more stuff 😃
river dirge
A shame that our current project is in spanish, since we have an amateur project over there among spanish players to make Blizz short stories in that Alleria & Turalyon audio drama format, hopefully Blizz notices us and some of us get to be on some expansion down the line or something 😛
Oh yeah, they're finally removing the duckface, right?
river dirge
Also someone talked about them getting some darker skin tones too?
But I never saw any pics.
tropic trail
blizz isn't really helping the arguments about horde favoritism tho
with them already getting golden eyes
river dirge
Well, idk, I'm willing to say that a lot of people won't really notice a minor tweak on the mouth. And golden eyes kinda make sense since Liadrin canonically already has them.
But yeah, would love to see more small, flavor tweaks like eye colors for NE, etc.
meager warren
@river dirge humans forget the existence of many different things and what they looked like a lot. Both irl and in myth
terse patrol
I just want them to change Taelia’s name.
meager warren
To Talia
tropic trail
what's wrong with taelia?
meager warren
Taelia is a pain
meager warren
?
tropic trail
who's taelan? am i missing something?
terse patrol
Tirion’s son
tropic trail
oh
river dirge
I'm really drawing blanks on who Taelan Fordring is myself. Then again I was never really interested in Tirion much. Never knew he had a son.
tropic trail
I knew he had a son, just couldn't remember his name
terse patrol
He was the Scarlet Highlord
river dirge
Oh damn I forgot about that
terse patrol
Just feels like lazy naming
sharp bluff
so is anyone else getting a new kid we don't know about?
tropic trail
I'll admit it is a little awkward to name cousins after each other
wild pewter
So is Taelia going to become Anduin's new girl or something?
tropic trail
escape the plague and forgot to go get her maybe?
tropic trail
or maybe he was unable to go get her since the KTs left the alliance
and probably weren't in the mood to let too many alliance ships in
terse patrol
He should have gotten her after the war though
He was the regent of Stormwind for years.
Pre-cata.
Pre-wrath*
tropic trail
yeah I have no clue, maybe he just felt it was safer on KT for her than on the mainland where there were still orcs, dragons and undead running about, I'm sure it'll end up being ignored tho
gray cove
That horde mail is pretty disappointing.
tropic trail
I think I really only like the horde warfront cloth sets
gray cove
Yeah, the other sets are cool, but the mail doesn't seem as nice as the others. To me at least.
uncut vault
Wowhead keeps only showing off the robe versions
Despite mail and cloth having pant versions
tropic trail
http://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/726248.jpg http://staticdelivery.nexusmods.com/mods/110/images/25123-1-1349561836.jpg
hmmm
I think I can see where the inspiration for that nazmir set came from
terse patrol
idk, seems more roman.
The Dwemer are based moreso on Persian styles.
Ancient Persian*
tropic trail
I mean yeah, that's true
but come on, the mythic plate set is the dwemer set from skyrim, it looks too similar to be a coincidence
especially since the titan facilities could be compared to dwemer ruins
dense plover
have you thought
that maybe both sets were inspired by the same thing
so they look similar
not that one was inspired by the other?
uncut vault
I feel like people aren’t paying enough attention to the chest piece on that set
Players finally get a chest piece that isn’t painted onto the skin
tropic trail
it looks like it's painted on in the picture
uncut vault
Its a 3D collar
river dirge
Well there's already that plate set you get in the Helya raid that acts all weird with tabards.
uncut vault
Attached to the head, and still with painted on chestpiecea
tropic trail
http://www.wowhead.com/news=283709.3/new-armor-in-build-26476-cloth-and-plate-nazmir-raid-mail-horde-warfronts#screenshots:283709:1 this has a ton of 3d assets
wrong link sorry
that golden girdle looks to be 3d, unless my eyes are deceiving me
strange falcon
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/8dhiif/spoilersso_gallywixs_wartrike_is_missing_some/?sort=new i'm going to quickly interrupt here
strange falcon
i'm pretty sure they are
tropic trail
so player cloak physics when?
limber mural
wonder if burning of teldrassil will mean darnassus actually gets a model update in forever
river dirge
Well yeah, it does.
limber mural
I'm curious how this is all gonna go down cause it seems to me that BfA's gonna launch with the Alliance getting inexplicably spanked on all counts, and obviously not all horde players are morally cool with this
limber mural
like I know we're all working off patchy releases but I don't see how anyone could get one over on the night elves
as they say, ten thousand years of war experience
tropic trail
wonder if you can go fly to it still, or if it's just a skybox element now
river dirge
Yes.
limber mural
That just looks overall like artwork
not sure how its gonna show though cause you can see teldrassil from Orgrimmar, even if only as a single poly block
river dirge
But yeah, WoW's night elves are generally just dumb, bratty and/or childish, and just overall stupid.
limber mural
with something that size I'd expect to see smoke from all over Kalimdor
river dirge
The way it's explained essentially the Night Elves just did a dumb and moved essentially all of their army to one place and the Horde took the chance and steamrolled them.
limber mural
hm
tropic trail
where did they move their army? since battle for lordaeron isn't until after
river dirge
Feralas.
limber mural
There also must be another explanation for why this is all going down because otherwise the Horde are literally getting another Garrosh out of nowhere
river dirge
Sylvanas wants to capture Teldrassil is the current explanation.
limber mural
Think it's said somewhere that the Horde set most of the forest in kalimdor on fire as a distraction
'capture' yeah about that
river dirge
The chapters of the story they released explain how they did it.
They sent assassins throughout the Sentinel outposts and poisoned and/or killed everyone and their commanders, so the warning comes too late and by then the Horde has already crashed through Ashenvale.
limber mural
I could only expect it being a 'capture' idea but going seriously south due to someone from the Horde's (possibly not sylvanas) actions but again nobody Alliance is going to know about that and it goes on Sylv's hands
wait what
river dirge
Because the Night Elves are also unable to detect assassins in their own forests and outposts manned by entire squads and commanders can't stop pairs of assassins.
river dirge
idk, that's all they released.
limber mural
yeah lol
river dirge
And then Malfurion comes like woosh and almost kills Saurfang.
limber mural
Cause sure the kaldorei arent perfect frontline warmakers but their skill as sentinels is unparalleled
Oh yeah I saw that
river dirge
Yep. Again, they're taking away from them the one thing they were famous for.
strange falcon
jaina burns teldrassil i tell you,the horde just wanted to take malfurion hostage without actually damaging the city
limber mural
They seriously messed with a lot of malf's character there too
meager warren
I want a paladin to get it with an undead and an undead paladin to pop out
river dirge
Not really tbh, I think it was a pretty good portrayal.
river dirge
“Standing in the way of nature is heresy. Even when nature's force is a destructive one.”
— Malfurion Stormrage
limber mural
They're gonna burn a world tree, which no druids should support
river dirge
Well, we don't know that they willingly burn it or not.
limber mural
Sylv's resurrecting Tauren as undead, which no tauren should support
river dirge
To me it hardly matters because the Tauren are going to be pretty pissed at all this.
limber mural
'but honor' - saurfang
gilded drum
Tauren are sticking around due to the "life debt" they owe the orcs iirc
limber mural
that leaves druids, saurfang and baine/mayla seriously annoyed
river dirge
Not like the Tauren and Kaldorei are in good terms but they have strong ties through druidism and history.
And I have a pretty big suspicion that Malfurion is going to get killed, so hopefully Hamuul reacts.
limber mural
Yeah, considering nobody's seen him in BfA yet
river dirge
Also when Sylvanas starts raising skelecows in Lordaeron.
limber mural
it's getting more likely every release
gilded drum
Yeah Koko but knowing Night Elves, Tauren did "something wrong" and so they are awful people and they deserve to be hated.
As is with most things and Night Elves
river dirge
Not really though.
limber mural
Like I feel the Alliance have serious undoubtable moral highground here unless you stand with Sylvanas's ideals
river dirge
I wouldn't say that strictly speaking, in very general terms, that the Kaldorei hate the Tauren.
meager warren
if you stand with Sylvanas's ideals, you have low morals
gilded drum
We don't know anything about the Horde's reasoning right now though. Unless it was revealed in chronicle.
limber mural
To be honest the kaldorei do have issues dropping a grudge
river dirge
Some more than others. Kaldorei have gone through a lot of changes since the Third War.
gilded drum
But hey, Horde has always been the bad guy so why stop now.
river dirge
a.k.a. WoW rewriting them
limber mural
And also as I keep saying, are we ignoring the fact that the Alliance have an orbital superweapon that could end all this in one click or are we gonna retcon that at launch
river dirge
We see this in the new broadcast spoilers in which Shandris defends their alliance with humans and humans as a whole as people worth fighting with.
gilded drum
Blizz promised the Horde that we are gonna have reasons Alliance can be seen as the bad guys, and Horde as the good guys this xpac so I'm waiting to see where that goes.
river dirge
idk, I'm guessing Shaw initiates some shit with SI:7, potentially pinning on them the start of the conflict.
limber mural
Well I wouldn't be surprised that the Alliance are going to be wholly out for blood when the xpac gets going so I don't doubt there'll be a good ol collection of war crimes
gilded drum
I want the pin to be on Anduin, just like it is on Sylvanas.
river dirge
As far as I'm aware the Horde is quite ahead in the Azerite arms race, so they probably do some shit.
limber mural
Visibly, cause they've had time to formulate azerite war machines to deploy in active combat
sharp bluff
Skelecows... I suddenly want this as an allied race, just for the name alone
gilded drum
Alliance may have just as much Azerite, we don't know. They just haven't used it yet.
iirc, ofc.
river dirge
And in the Teldrassil scenario part of the alliance side of it is stealing azerite weapons from the Horde since they don't have them.
limber mural
Tbh Blizzard have to retcon the Vindicaar at some point or just remove it
gilded drum
Yeah
limber mural
Because in a war scenario its a blindingly obvious solution
gilded drum
Orbital cannon is kinda uhhh... unfair.
gilded drum
Oh well, Silvermoon needed a revamp anyways
limber mural
Yeah have we all forgotten about that too
sharp bluff
my bet is the orbital cannon would harm the planet, which they are against since she is already hurt
limber mural
Understandably ofc
sharp bluff
where Argus was already beat up and turned
river dirge
Blight is also an -enormous- asset when it comes to a nuclear deterrence equivalent.
limber mural
Yeah, basically both sides have an all-ender
gilded drum
Sylv isn't afraid of using Blight though.
river dirge
- If you do shit we'll shoot our space cannon at your mud huts
- Oh yeah? Then we'll throw a blight bomb at your castle thingie
limber mural
However you can't really expect the Vindicaar while it's fairly safe to assume they can track movement of blight spreading kit
sharp bluff
Also thinking back I think Tauren (even though they don't support it) understand blight, since there is puddles of blight in there city
in the tele room from Org
strange falcon
like,you can rebuild orgrimmar,but you cant rebuild a blight infested city
river dirge
^
limber mural
salted earth.
Which is why I don't see how Sylv would benefit from torching the place any further than capturing Darnassus
river dirge
The way they'll probably play out the Vindicaar is that the Horde will have some other big bad bomb that would deter from using WOMDs.
limber mural
Because burning it only serves to infuriate like, every druidic race
gilded drum
Or they will forget the Vindicaar because it is now just a Lightforged Draenei racial iirc
limber mural
You can't really say that 'Hey they left to go kill demons n shit' because allied race startup
river dirge
Mnyeah. "Sorry it broke, our space engineers that have the best technology in the universe keep breaking our crystal ships"
limber mural
Nah racial is just 'call upon the light' iirc
gilded drum
Light's Judgment: Call down a strike of Holy energy, dealing Holy damage to enemies within 5 yards after 3 sec. 40 yd. 2.5 min CD. Instant.
Yeah guess you're right
it seems akin to the Vindicaar laser though
limber mural
Same model yes
river dirge
But from the current broadcast text there's no indication that Sylvanas' intention is to burn Teldrassil, even Shandris assumes/knows she wants to capture it.
limber mural
(only smaller and so much more underwhelming)
Yeah
Which is why I'm pretty sure it's an accident
Which the Horde are gonna know but the Alliance won't
gilded drum
I don't think it's an accident. I think something will go wrong and they have to burn it down.
river dirge
My bet is, like I said before, that since it's clear that she doesn't know enough about Azerite, the Azerite bomb things she's taking to Teldrassil have a weird, unexpected effect and Teldrassil burns.
limber mural
Honestly I liked what they did with the different perspectives on the Legion intro, but it didn't really hold effect because y'know. YouTube.
Eh nah I think it'd have to be something more than lol oops
river dirge
If I had to really speculate, but this is just my own tinfoil hat speculation on how I would do this if I were a writer...
Teldrassil is rooted deep in Azeroth.
limber mural
Infact amend that. What if they find something IN it, that means all the horde druids are completely fine with burning it
river dirge
We saw in that loading screen that it's glowing in a sort of Azerite color.
limber mural
is that the skybox thing you posted
river dirge
So my bet is that it's sucking up azerite from the depths of Azeroth and it all just generates some terrible chain reaction with active Azerite or something.
river dirge
That's what's left of Teldrassil by the end. I mean the two loading screens.
gilded drum
Well didn't N'zoth convince a druid to take a branch of the corrupted world tree in Un'goro crater and infuse it into Teldrassil or something?
limber mural
I'd more be expecting, 'earth shattering kaboom' in that instance though
Oh what's the other one look like
river dirge
Yeah, there's some speculation out there that World Trees might all prove useful to OGs through their connection to the Emerald Dream or something.
limber mural
Oh nvm is that the one with saurfang and all the mega friends looking at it
river dirge
But what I'm betting on is that Sylvanas provokes the explosion of Teldrassil and that frees some terrible bad, or gives it its chance.
gilded drum
I don't like the direction they're going with Saurfang atm.
river dirge
Saurfang is also being made dumb.
limber mural
Yeah
I'm fine with him being shown to have a neutral conscience, but it seems forced
river dirge
He's a cool character, but for all his barking he's agreeing to most things at first like a brainwashed grunt.
gilded drum
It seems very forced.
He's fighting between his loyalty and his honor, and I think that's a really cool thing.
river dirge
For now his lore and writing in the epilogue seems to point one way, and then he just acts another.
gilded drum
But having his decision to sit in a cell and rot?
river dirge
Well it's not really his decision is it?
gilded drum
It is though.
limber mural
Well it's more of a 'that or die'
river dirge
It's revealed in the scenario in the cinematic that the Alliance captures him.
He doesn't turn himself in.
gilded drum
Yeah and the Horde go to free him, and he says no.
river dirge
Well yeah, after he's talked with Anduin.
limber mural
But I do think a person such as Saurfang, having been presented with what the Horde are doing, I believe he would choose a glorious death tbh
gilded drum
he doesn't want to talk with Anduin anymore.
river dirge
Anduin might've just used his boi charm on Saurfang.
gilded drum
They changed his text not too long ago
He doesn't want to talk with Anduin, he doesn't want to be free.
limber mural
I'm not sure if I'm gonna like Anduin more in the new expac
river dirge
Could well be in character with him taking a good look at himself and the Horde in jail and feeling dishonored.
limber mural
besides 'he can class roll and we can't reeee'
Yeah I see him as having totally lost any purpose in life
gilded drum
I don't see it. He said he is choosing between his loyalty and his honor.
He chose his honor in staying.
limber mural
I'd take him going neutral. Take himself and any orcs who stand with him and just disappear from the eyes of politics
Not like a Darkspear rebellion sorta way
But a 'we choose this' way
gilded drum
I'm just disappointed in him I guess. It's not the Saurfang I know.
river dirge
^
limber mural
Yeah but I always got the impression of Saurfang that there was more of his character than he showed
I always got the feeling that if his honor was questioned he would make his own decision
gilded drum
I feel like he abandoned the Horde in an hour where they need him the most.
limber mural
And although I haven't played much Legion as Horde, would it be possible that Varian's death shook him
river dirge
use Saurfang to make the next hero class
WARHAMMER SLAYERS
Naked, dishonored orcs with mohawks
limber mural
Cause he respected Varian, in a way, and maybe he blames the horde for dishonor on the BS privately
I'm just thinking aloud here
gilded drum
Nah, Saurfang was good ol' Saurfang for most of Legion.
If it shook him I feel like we would have known before now.
limber mural
Probably. Just a wild theorise.
limber mural
But yeah I could see him doing soul searching in prison and coming out in like a Thrall perspectivr
like, 'for the horde if y'all behave but I'm gonna go be cool and save the world with my morals'
gilded drum
I feel like they also used this to shove him out of the way so Nathanos can take his place while Sylvanas is in charge.
limber mural
never liked nathanos
river dirge
Blademaster Saurfang when
limber mural
he has nothing going for him except 'typical villain' imho
meager warren
I hope he goes, "Fuck this shit. The Horde is just a bunch of assholes. For Azeroth! I'mma go pick daisies now."
limber mural
anyway didn't genn rip his throat out in the stormheim intro how is nathanos still looking so pretty boi
river dirge
Yeah let's just make him a neutral herbalism trainer
meager warren
'Cause he's undead
gilded drum
Brass, Sylvanas probably just murdered a guy with a pretty neck to give Nathanos.
meager warren
Not really
gilded drum
My personal headcannon is people call Nathanos Nathan and it gets on his nerves
gilded drum
Like he's really socially awkward and shit
river dirge
I guess so
gilded drum
From a model perspective I think so but I don't think so cannonically.
tulip sun
Did you guys see how she talks to Nathanos when sendinh him to Drustvar?
far
whatever it is
gilded drum
No actually
tulip sun
No, she like pauses and is hesitant or whatever, then says Farewell
river dirge
Dunno what writing direction they're going with her
gilded drum
Does it push the "they're totally plowing" narrative?
tulip sun
It pushes they care for eachother
river dirge
"my babbarooni, don't get killed"
sullen dagger
man they should rename this channel to offtopic / shitposting
tulip sun
I honestly think Sylvanas will be redeemed- at least in the Horde's eyes.
gilded drum
Okay I'm fine with Sylvanas caring for people, but cmon I really like the Nathanos the boytoy narrative
sullen dagger
sylvannas cares for his boney people
meager warren
We need a shitposting channel
gilded drum
Blizzarino makes the one person in the world Sylvanas cares for, and kills him in BfA
do it blizz no balls
kill nathanos BfA
sullen dagger
and his immortality, since she's scared af of what's awaiting her in the other side
tulip sun
I can totally see the Warchief position making her care for the entirety of the Horde. Thrall returns and she steps down(or maybe someone else)
river dirge
Sylvanas keeps rezzing him
tulip sun
OH
river dirge
But each time its a lesser being
tulip sun
She uses her last life to rez him
river dirge
Like first its a normal Forsaken
tulip sun
Or her last Valkyr
meager warren
I suspect after Sylvanas dies, she'll be Hela's plaything for a few expacs
tulip sun
She only has one left
meager warren
Maybe not in bfa but at some point
tulip sun
Ya, certainly
I was having thoughts
I want a WoW game similar to Mass Effect's style
After WoW dies, lol
gilded drum
I think it would be interesting to see a plotline where Sylvanas has feelings for Nathanos, but thinks they are making her weak, so she orders him to death. She then swings the war in the Horde's favor but is obviously hurt beyond repair.
meager warren
I've never played ME. Can u elaborate?
sharp bluff
a bit late but @gilded drum it did shake him, he tried to find a death on the shores in the warrior intro, and something with the arms hidden artifact appearance ( i did not do the hidden one yet though)
tulip sun
I am terrible at describing, anyone else happen to play it?
Or should I give it a go, lol
meager warren
;-;
tulip sun
It is a game heavily influenced by your choices, it was a trilogy.
true matrix
wouldn't dragon age be closer
gilded drum
Space crew, exploring planets, choices that carry through all the games, etc.
true matrix
similar format but More Elves
river dirge
I like a good old romance plot as much as the next guy but I feel it would kinda devalue Sylvanas
tulip sun
You have squadmates
gilded drum
Yeah
meager warren
Space? Srsly
tulip sun
It would be fun I think
meager warren
Wow, 2/10 for low effort
tulip sun
We wouldn't be in space.
But like the choices, the squadmates- everything about the game, except change the setting
meager warren
Space shit is cliche
river dirge
WoW 2 is just that future timeline in space with Velen and Old Anduin
true matrix
yeah I'm hard side-eyeing the whole romance subplot potential going on with sylvanas and nathanos tbh
gilded drum
I think everyone is
true matrix
good
river dirge
It's just that
I don't want another female character to be reduced to her love life
Particularly someone like Sylv
gilded drum
Everyone already knows her and Nathanos take it to pound town, ya don't have to make it into a love story.
river dirge
Idk, to me it'd be a lot more powerful if something happens to Nathanos and she can just shrug it off with the tiniest hint at a part of her caring.
That'd be enuff blizzarino
tulip sun
I think the purpose of showing it, it means she can still have emotions and such?
gilded drum
yeah but that's the worst way to show it I think.
true matrix
there are other ways to show she has emotions, though.
hell, what about her sisters?
you know, the people she sung a mournful little ditty over
river dirge
Yeah, her way of showing she cared about her sister was plotting to murder her
gilded drum
Make her feel remorse for burning Teldrassil, show her frustration over having to fight and possibly kill her own sisters.
gilded drum
Orcs be about "Victory or Death" but Sylvanas is the only one really rocking it right now I think.
meager warren
It is super easy to make Sylvanas emotional without losing her love
river dirge
All they really have to do is push the "but my people" angle
But sort of show that she sees her people as a monolith
As in, she doesn't want the concept of the Forsaken to die out.
tulip sun
I think Alleria would make feelings for her sisters hard