I REALLY HOPE JAINA ISNT THE BIG BAD GOD DAMN IT
#beta-ptr-spoilers
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She wouldnt. She's always been a reactionary character.
dim flower
Yeah I guess so
Although her hatred for the Horde still strives.
I just hope they do Jaina justice.
mint arch
jaina hates the horde, but she isnt evil
lul
JAINA-CHAN
honestly, i think the end of BFA will have us help jaina sort out some of her shit and she may end up less anti-horde
and back on good terms with her family and kul'tirans
which will help her personal scars left from theramore and such
sharp bluff
It won’t be Jaina since they are taking the time to have her redeem herself to the KT, she like massive tidal waves anyway, Greymane is more likely then her, and I doubt he did it
mint arch
aye, if it was anyone it would be greymane waaaay before jaina
and even greymane is a far out stretch for something like this
like jaina is still a good person even if she's pissed at the horde, she's never wanted to kill the horde, only dismantle it
unlike certain someone wanting to completely wipe out the other faction for selfish reasons~
mint arch
true
but
the only Sin'dorei killed in Dalaran were the ones who responded with violence
bulk of blood elves in Dalaran were transported to the Violet Hold until they could be removed from the city
though i believe the horde and alliance side of the event is different
id call the purge of dalaran a very shady situation, but not evil
sharp bluff
Imprisonment due to association I think, and their membership cards revoked from mage club
mint arch
aye, somethin like that
sharp bluff
I thought she outright killed a few and a dragon saved them, but my memory of that part is hazy
mint arch
i believe the elves killed were only those who responded violently
majority of em were imprisoned
to be removed from the city
though im seeing the alliance and horde sides are different
so im not 100% bout the horde side
uncut vault
Only elves actually killed were on Vereesas orders, not Jainas.
mint arch
ah yes, vereesa
ruby star
Vereesa ❤
dim flower
Jaina though
tropic trail
Well Jaina said when the kirin Tor let the horde to dalaran and she said how would your reaction be if the horde burns Teldrassil when the council of six voted for horde to be on dalaran
Sorry I late stuck at work
dim flower
Foreshadowingggg
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actually wasn't the line 'when the horde betrays you, remember who warned you'
'This Council is blind to the truth. When the Horde betrays you again, remember who warned you. Farewell.'
karmic copper
i want to see some sort of rebellion with saurfang and baine, like vol'jin and baine in soo
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le fucks off
karmic copper
would be interesting
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yeah saurfang and baine are like the two most reasonable, besides Thrall if we're even counting him anymore
well saurfang is less reasonable more honourable
and blightcaller is the Horde's answer to Greymane, ultra supportive nutjob
makes me wonder if Greymane will calm down a bit in BfA, whether he's had enough justice by destroying Sylv's chance at immortality and pushing her out of Lordaeron
mint arch
saurfang baine and rexxar lead the rebellion
and saurfang's voice is the new warchief!
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Does make me wonder what's gonna happen to sylvanas at lordaeron, cause we know that she's faced off by Anduin and Greymane and the Alliance hero, and supported by the Horde hero (but not Blightcaller) and Blightcaller's turn-in line when the scenario's done is 'I have no words right now, champion'. Whether that's literally a placeholder or a reaction to the events of the cutscene, idk
karmic copper
velen is taking a break, only char that seems to have a break in bfa
mint arch
let genn kill sylvanas, then he dies from his wounds and we done with all that
karmic copper
but asya too
mint arch
and tess takes over as queen
karmic copper
unless she does something
mint arch
uh indeed
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the only time I remembered about her in mop was her pointless spotlight steal in Siege
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you mean you think they'll do much with pandaren ever?
mint arch
they'll never do much with pandaren
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lol
karmic copper
nah
mint arch
allied races will only be in this xpac
then nothing
and even then, i doubt allied races will have big part in BFA
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Well you could say worgen are still here in the way that Genn is still a very main character
Thinking about that
The Pandaren are nowhere to be seen in Battle for Lordaeron, right?
Either side?
karmic copper
ye
only the panda player
no nightborne, lightforged and highmountain
velves are there
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Feasible from a story perspective that they're done with our shit?
mint arch
im glad none of the allied races are around
its way too soon
especially for the nightborne and lightforged
mint arch
they both just got done with huge shit
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Tbh I think they're ignoring the Lightforged because the Alliance have a weapon to end the war in one fucking shot
karmic copper
i'd like to see gilneas's return
mint arch
void elves are just blood elves, so meh
karmic copper
and since sylvanas blows up lordaeron
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because the Alliance have the Vindicaar
mint arch
it'll probably have broken down or run out of power or something
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yeah that would be the logical explanation
mint arch
and we'll end the xpac with it charging up and we shoot sylvanas with it
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shameless retcon tho
mint arch
blizzard writing sigh
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I would like to see it as a 'y'know, we're not mentioning we have a superweapon, but you know we do nudge nudge'
mint arch
god im still salty how shitty the army of light was
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like have the horde panic about it but Anduin be like 'oh yeaaaah'
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like yeeeeee look at uuuuuus oh nvm we're gonna go inspect this mountain
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can blizzard like only design broken dimensional ships
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well we have the vindicaar
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could argue you can't have fantasy but then rockets and gnomish engineering and shit
karmic copper
and that can travel around
mint arch
thats the problem, this is a fantasy setting but they've brought in space ships and lasers and shit
karmic copper
a mountain and city cant fly around
mint arch
if they wanted steampunk, sure i guess
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and gnomes have been here since day 1
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although I think there's a case for a few of the allied races that insisting they fight a war would be tenuous on them
mint arch
they cant say the vindicaar crashes since that is the lightforged starting area/home city thing
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like Nightborne got helped by both factions, but then fucked off by tyrande
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Highmountain Tauren have no reason to go Horde except the other tauren are there
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Alliance helped them just as much
Zandalari would probably side with trolls on base principles
karmic copper
im hyped for zandalari
mint arch
blizzard cant write for shit
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lightforged draenei could carry on and be their own thing cause they're only with the Alliance because they asked first
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and the draenei are there already
and void elves were again spurned by lor'themar and just a 'lol y not'
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mhm.
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tbh all the fuckups on the alliance side with diplomacy are cause we have a few massive racists
mint arch
*bad writing
wild pewter
Don't really think it's bad writing for characters to be complex
mint arch
meh, not racists, just bad writing
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'an inevitable amount of undead' thanks genn
mint arch
tyrande had every right to not trust the nightborne
mint arch
undead would never join alliance, and hell, barely joined the horde initially
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fuck your ideals think of the alliance
'undead would never join alliance' thassarian would like a word
wild pewter
Death Knights and Forsaken are different XD
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but yeah the only thing tying the undead to the horde is yes, acceptance, and the fact they owe their lives to sylv
They're really not tho
undead freed from the LK's thrall
just the undead race look worse for it
wild pewter
They are - they retain their form, whereas Forsaken are those from Lordaeron
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theoretically their use as a race would make 'being from lordaeron' irrelevant
why not add an alliance race tomorrow from idk stromgarde
sake of example
mint arch
undead arent really a race tbh
mint arch
aye
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and probably the only difference in acceptance between the DKs and the other undead is how they look
wild pewter
Forsaken and 'Undead' are different though.
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fine but genn has an issue with forsaken, but EVERY alliance race has an issue with undead
forsaken is just a flag
mint arch
forsaken = undead, i just use either term for em
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and a name
wild pewter
Forsaken are those who broke free from LK and pledged themselves to Sylv. XD
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technically all it means is 'forsaken by everyone else'
mint arch
not anymore, sylvanas has been raising more undead
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well no were broken free by sylv
mint arch
as new forsaken
wild pewter
Just look at Meryl Felstorm, he's undead but not Forsaken, his magic brought him back.
wild pewter
He's neutral
wild pewter
I'm not apart of the "would they declare for whoever" debate. 😄
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sigh why doesn't this discord have a lore channel
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point we were discussing is why wouldn't there be an undead alliance race besides the DKs, if not for Alliance prejudice
Technical 'Forsaken' yes, due to who freed them
mint arch
well, this is spoilers channel
so its for lore
we used to be ptr-or-spoilers
so lore peeps are all in here
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because in the current chronological time Forsaken would be those who owe their freedom to Sylv, while since DKs still exist in a chronological fuckup they owe their allegiance only to themselves
*owe their freedom sorry
or possibly to the ashbringer. can't remember exactly if they just had an ephiphany or were persuaded by Tirion
no yeah only to themselves
and new Death Knights as proven by Legion again owe their resurrection to the Ebon Blade, and their will is their own
meager warren
They may not be Forsaken but they may not not be forsaken
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talking about that could they please change Death Knight intro to be more chronologically correct and give old Death Knights a FoS or something
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Lol
mint arch
honestly, just write in some bronze dragon shit to say: "oh hey adventurer, do u wanna see how the A/H dealt with lich king/illidan, here's a portal"
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Caverns of time
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But srs the death knight could work, make it like uh
'Once a piece in the war machine of great powers, the release of death is denied to you. You rise again as a Death Knight of the Ebon Blade, sworn to repel the malign influence yadda yadda of all that would threaten Azeroth'
dramatic pan across start zone
And then daddy deathlord sends you out on two menial tasks then you die
sorry what
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And then give a FoS to all existing DKs like idk
'They don't make them like they used to'
sharp bluff
Probably when WotLK 2 happens, would be a perfect excuse for new DKs
sharp bluff
....
mint arch
xP
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I did.
sharp bluff
Big B has been busy
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Gives more cause for Death Knights to have a more Death Knight centric startup cause tbh right now I don't think the alliance would stop at throwing fruit
or the horde for that matter
meager warren
They could time-travel to BC/ Wrath from New Eastern Plaguelands (That's the DK starting area, right?) to Old Eastern Plaguelands using the same mechanics used in Wound in the World
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Eastern plaguelands yes
I'm just trying to figure a way of getting them out of the same issue the Worgen have which is a chronological screw-up
meager warren
don't you love it when guards shout "Murderer!" at you for no reason
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Worgen are worse cause it's hard to figure out where it is that the lurch to current timing is
Guards only shout when a starter DK is near tho
along with the ambient 'angry mob' noise
if you're not a starter DK it's not addressed at you I believe
pretty sure of that
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No everyone hears it
meager warren
rip
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Sit around faction capital long enough and you will see it
meager warren
i thought it was like an instance thing
meager warren
neat
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except possibly until reaching grommash hold/sw keep, can't remember if the guards and Andy are actually combat stance
wow it autocorrected from Anduin but ima keep it
You can also see chat emotes for 'guard throws a shit at new dk'
meager warren
They should give classes on tolerance in WoW capitals to the guards and any PCs who want to learn
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Well no because at that chronological point, cause of the DK time fuck up, this is a Scourge soldier walking into stormwind
It's actually a wonder that the player DK isn't killed on sight
meager warren
it's not tho
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Faction attitudes to racial tolerance are best shown with Pandaren startup
meager warren
they rebelled against the lich king
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Not to their knowledge. The player DK bears the message from Tirion
meager warren
most people hate the pandas for whatever reason
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that vouches for them
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When the player DK talks to Varian his line is 'You have moments to live' and then the player gives him Tirion's note that 'they're on our side'
Stormwind has literally no reason to not think that this isn't a soldier of the Lich King rolling up
well, stormwind Orgrimmar whatever
meager warren
well, the "soldier of the lich king" isn't attacking people on sight so
that's a good reason
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who would care? realistically? Word of the events at Light's Hope are, at the time, only known to those who were there. The player is the first bearer of the news to the Alliance or Horde, as vouched for by Fordring, which everyone accepts as the only reason they're good. I'd have to look up the exact dialogue. And the cities will know, and have seen first hand the actions of the Scourge.
Honestly the reason the DK isn't killed on sight is probably because people are ballsy and realised for some reason it's not fighting back, so they take the opportunity to attack it. If the player raised a finger, they'd probably all run
meager warren
Or the player could just go "Leave me alone or take me to your leader."
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well we could if we could actually speak of their own accord lol, or have ever dne
but think about it seriously, would they even do it then
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bear in mind the events at Stratholme, bear in mind the pre-patch Wrath event
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the atrocities of the Scourge are well in the minds of the home front, of both alliance and horde
Compare that to the Illidari
The only people who still turn their noses up at the Illidari are some night elves
meager warren
The Illidari contributed to the destruction of Outland
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But Illidan's actions never affected the people on the home front, not Anduin not Stormwind, Orgrimmar, Sylvanas, none of those
That's why the illidari took 10 minutes to be as accepted as the DKs are in 4 expacs
meager warren
well no
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well maybe not fully but definitely to a much much lesser extent
meager warren
but hehelped make life miserable for a lot of horde/ alliance people, so much so that killing them would be a gift
sharp bluff
come to think of it, aren't Belf DHs High Elfs? 🤔
meager warren
the DH starter area takes place in the TBC
karmic copper
dh belves are not hight elves
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not sure. It would probably be on a case-by-case basis
sharp bluff
but they were recruited way back when, were they not?
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if blood elves became blood elves as a result of Arthas's destruction of the Sunwell
that is well before TBC
the fact they became a playable race in TBC is irrelevant
iirc
sharp bluff
I thought he recruited them before TBC
like all the DH have years of training or something
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and it's not stated how long the player has been a member of the illidari already
It'd maybe be possible but I'd think only for a few
meager warren
someone who has a spare account should play the DH starter quests again to see
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And thinking how the logic for the illidari is 'personally our lives have been fucked by the demons, now we unleash our vengeance'
meager warren
on that note, Illidan chose to become a DH, did the others choose too?
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it would be a very rare person who chose, coming from an unaffected life, to join the illidari
especially since it's all but confirmed the process for becoming a demon hunter is incredibly physically taxing in itself
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the demon hunter cinematics suggest that demon hunters choose the path because their lives have been destroyed by the demons
meager warren
it would be possible to be forced into it tho right?
rich apex
^
meager warren
there could be
rich apex
Anything -could- happen
meager warren
do it blizz
rich apex
But you need a massive amount of willpower to survive the ritual
And then not go crazy afterwards
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at any rate being forced to become a demon hunter wouldn't pay off because it's a constant battle to maintain balance
rich apex
And not just murder everyone around you
meager warren
Batman becomes a DH when
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if you lost the will you'd fuckin explode like that dude in mardum
meager warren
rip dude in mardum 2016 to 2016
karmic copper
unless you saved him
meager warren
lol nah
karmic copper
/kept him
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in short, the illidari maintain their power because the mortal side is filled with rage, thus it balances the demon
meager warren
Batman fits that
rich apex
Considering the number of Illdari who fall to the Demon Side
meager warren
🤔
rich apex
And the Illdari are supposed to be fanatics
meager warren
yes
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eh actually given his backstory
hm
I'd say similar logic because his ideals never changed
he just refuses to follow illidan
so no difference
meager warren
similar logic?
wot
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and anyway altruis in outland was kinda an introduction to the concept
I thought we were discussing 'could a demon hunter not share the core motives of the illidari'
meager warren
i thought we were discussing chill dhs
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well I think that was kinda from getting offtopic, probably my bad
hm actually in reference to 'could high elves be DHes'
Varedis Felsoul is described as 'one of the five sent by Kael'thas to Illidan to be trained as demon hunters, the first time blood elves were allowed to do so'
take from that as you will
meager warren
i take it that Varedis is a belf
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yes
he was one of the first DHes, killed by players in TBC, demon soul found in the TN by kil'jaeden, tortured etc, persuaded to join the Legion
he was on the Broken Shore amongst the heap of demons and is the objective of the Havoc DH artifact acquisition quest although he isn't killed there, just recalled to Argus
he's still alive somewhere
he's fully a demon now however as kil'jaeden actually infused part of his own soul with his
so not just a DH traitor like
uh
cyana nightglaive
sharp bluff
Dungeon Delver: While indoors, move 4% faster.
Fireblood: Removes all poison, disease, curse, magic, and bleed effects and increases your primary stat by 100 for each effect removed. Lasts 8 sec. 2 min cooldown.
Forged in Flames: Reduces damage taken from Physical attacks by 1%.
Mole Machine: While outdoors, summon a Mole Machine that tunnels through the earth. 30 min cooldown.
Mass Production: Items crafted by Blacksmithing are created twice as quickly.
this
This I can live with
dense plover
Are these the current ones?
sharp bluff
shame another blacksmithing race though at this point
sharp bluff
The wowhead post that just got posted
dense plover
Wonder how the mole machine works
sharp bluff
dim flower
@dense plover I think it’ll work the same way that engineering toy does. It’ll transport you to some place underground of your choosing/random.
dense plover
Thing is the description sounds more like a mount
Like the lightforged golem argus ability
Not an actual mount
But a temporary one
dense plover
A racial being the same as a toy is honestly not good
dim flower
I could see it being an AOE but it has no damage tag.
dense plover
I’m hoping it functions like a flight whistle honestly
dim flower
The other racials are good for tanking.
dim flower
Hmmm that wouldn’t be so bad.
dense plover
But one for a short burst of speed
rich apex
I'd assume it's an extra hearthstone or flight whistle
dense plover
^^^
dim flower
And how would you be able to use a tumbler underground.
dense plover
It’s at the surface
dense plover
Or particle effects
dim flower
No, but it digs. It mines.
Like idk
Maybe
But it’d have to be draenor mount toy fast
dense plover
Yeah
That’s sort of my thought
But a HS or Flight whistle is more likely
And would be more useful
terse patrol
Any idea if we're getting a build today? @dense plover
steady tulip
I am curious about battelfronts
ruby star
I mean theres a chance
steady tulip
i am on argent dawn EU and will goldshire become a battlefront?
ruby star
we can only hope
steady tulip
so does that meen both factions can fight over who controls the inn to ERP?
steady tulip
The ERP battle begins !!! seeing characters all dressed up in gimp suits beating each other with whips and clubs
jizz and blood everywere !!!
then the lightbulb tentacle monsters will say "bombard it from orbit" 😄
unifying the horde and alliance in agreement 😄
oak wraith
That's Moon Guard US though I think? (from AD-EU myself as well 😜 )
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I feel I need to read back for some context cause what the fuck
sudden pulsar
Moon guard! That place makes me laugh
I feel bad for legit rpers on that server
They should just come to WrA
😤
dense plover
WrA has a very small alliance rp base
and tbh, moonguard has its erp areas, but it also has a large group of legit alliance rp
uncut vault
Moon guard is 90% normal RP, with a hell of a lot less elitism than other servers because it was basically the starter server
sudden pulsar
Lol that's not true at all.
People who say WrA has a small alliance scene have never been to WrA.
WrA has a lot of RPers on both sides. Horde has it all over while Alliance is USUALLY in capital cities.
uncut vault
It’s mostly balanced, both both sizes are smaller than MG alliance.
dense plover
i play on WrA
and Moonguard
WrA has a larger horde playerbase and Moonguard has a larger Alliance player base
thats just a fact
yes its a close balance on Wyrmrest
but that doesnt mean one isnt better for horde rp and the other isnt better for alliance
uncut vault
Eh, that's kinda just a self fulfilling prophecy. MG Horde numbers slightly dwindled due to controversy, started the opinion that WrA is better and bigger, more people left for WrA, continuing the idea. MG still has a plenty active Horde side, only about a third less than WrA Horde's numbers, just slowly became more guild based
tulip sun
No alpha build today?
uncut vault
Prolly not
tulip sun
NEXT? :(
terse patrol
Silvermoon is WrA's Goldshire anyways.
dense plover
No it isn’t
It’s an rp haven
If you go to silver moon on wra you will always find good rp
meager warren
What's wra
tropic trail
Moonguard has decent RP as well if you pretend goldshire doesn't exist.
I've only barely dipped my toes into RP, but as long as you avoid goldshire moongaurd seems fine.
dense plover
^^ pretty much this
ruby prawn
In every rp server if you avoid Goldshire everything is fine
tropic trail
that feeling when you're checking your email and the subject of one of them is "beta invite" but then it's only and invite for ESO summerset
got hyped thinking i was in BFA beta only to have my dreams crushed
stray anchor
Like when you think you're finally going to get the bis lego you're missing, and instead you get the shittiest one?
For the wrong spec, cause you forgot to switch it.
sudden oak
yup happened here
I was doing LFR as dps
and I forgot to change to discipline loot spec
I got goddamn kiljaedens
I never felt so triggered in my life
karmic copper
got runemasters yesterday
tropic trail
https://youtu.be/w6gzOcTNKwE basically this
ruby star
@tropic trail I got a beta invite for ESO Summerset too, feels bad man Wished it was a Alpha invite
dim flower
@uncut vault What happened on MG?
tropic trail
Something that isn't meant for mortal eyes.
ruby star
hopefully an alpha build will arrive today or tommorow, but they might be getting ready for beta as it was very soon 😉
ruby star
yeah, hoping I can an invite so I can test them xD
dense plover
No, probably not
I believe they said they would cycle
So each day or week would be a different island
And then each expedition to that island is randomized as well
uncut vault
I mean for the alpha testing
dense plover
Oh
Yes hopefully
There’s also over 800 new creatures
New end of island stuff
An intro island quest
And all four modes are implemented it seems
So I guess you will get to choose your mode now
dim flower
Hopefully they downgrade the tested “Heroic” version to Normal.
I’ve heard it was too easy.
uncut vault
They changed the difficulties from initial launch to when difficulties were added
Minus extra abilities, heroic now is about as hard as the normal mode was
They toned down the slipperiness of a lot of the advanced ai which makes me sad
strange falcon
well the boss had 1 big mechanic,other than the tank mechanic,and then he had add-phases
pretty ez yes
dim flower
Slipperiness?
meager warren
s l o o s h
uncut vault
They avoided abilities and skirted around melee really well
The trolls would hex melee if they got too close and ghost wolf away, the mage belfs had very slippery blinks that they used in multiple directions
Now the mages only blink forward
tropic trail
dang, that actually sounds really fun/annoying to fight against
dense plover
I think the plan is for each difficulty to also increase the size difficulty
So they need to balance the lowest level first to have a standard base to work with
uncut vault
Well that's what I'm saying, the original lowest level was decently challenging, which you could tone numbers down if needed
dim flower
Yeah but then people will complain it’s not real difficulty they’re just ramping the numbers up.
Just like how Vanilla wasn’t difficult, y’know?
You can’t keep the WoW community from complaining.
dense plover
Yeah, I’m saying find the lowest AI difficulty
Then work up from there for each difficulty
Not do number tuning
They want AI to feel harder on higher difficulties, not just hit harder
dim flower
Yeah like maybe mages don’t use ice block until heroic or some shit
I like what Swifty said
He said he got sapped and a rogue capped an azurite point right in front of him.
dense plover
btw, it is likely there will be a build today
with the changes coming to island expeditions
they also made a change to the base post
to account for all those changes
which means they are probably doing another wave
and a new build
its still very early there
but i wouldnt be surprised to see one in the next four hours
uncut vault
Well my point is that they made the AI outright stupid like normal npcs again. Higher difficulties makes them as smart as they used to be, but they should be that smart from the beginning, and r difficulties should add numbers and abilities only, not actually being smart
Now when the Azerite elemental spawn and they go for the big one, they just sit there and let me wail on them while killing the elemental
Where before they'd disengage from the elemental and fight us instead
I just don't want them to be stupid easy until we get gear
dense plover
@uncut vault "Feedback Request: The current plan is to have three islands available every week on a rotation. Since we now have three available, we'd like to hear from you about how many times you'd like to engage in this content during the week. Hop in, run a few during the next week, and let us know what you're feeling!"
smart from the beginning is bad
because numbers dont make something feel difficult
they want the change in AI to be part of the difficulty
and i agree with that
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Idiotic from the beginning is also bad though
The current mythic ones are smart, but not that smart
And that's a problem
tropic trail
in pvp island expeditions I assume you use the pvp stat templates?
dense plover
they need to make all of them relatively smarter
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They aren't challenging to fight even when we have the shitty template
dense plover
more so for mythioc and heroic
and heroic needs number tuning badly
ooo
apparently you do the unlock quest at 115 once
and then islands are accountwide for 110-120
so you can level through the expac using islands if you want to
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Yeah it's account wide which is great
dense plover
¯_(ツ)_/¯
thought it would be this week
but warfronts are a mess
and we are still missing a bunch of dungeons
once all of the dungeons and islands are in
dim flower
Damn
dense plover
and they open WQs
dense plover
then id say a week from that date
dim flower
1-2 months from now I'm guessing.
dense plover
nah
dim flower
Wait
dense plover
they said soon, not soon(tm)
dim flower
How many dungeons?
dense plover
they just need to add them
dim flower
Warfronts are ready I think.
dense plover
warfronts need WAAAAY more testing
dim flower
Yeah
And I'm guessing that the PVP systems are about halfway done being worked on before testing.
But that's just speculation.
And then uhhh I'm gonna say this island patch is the final one before beta.
dense plover
nah
dim flower
Besides any hotfixes.
dim flower
Oh?
dense plover
theyre adding 2 more to the rotation
dim flower
That makes 8
dense plover
so they still need to add the other 3
dim flower
There's 11?
dim flower
OH
dense plover
thats what we will have next build
dim flower
There's only one island?
dim flower
Huh
dense plover
one island with many different random possibilities
dim flower
Well then how about one more, adding the final 3.
dense plover
they are adding 800+ more new enemies
tons of new end options
and new weather and sky effects
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Warfronts are visually ready, they are very much not fully mechanically ready
dense plover
theyre going to feel even more visually different next build
dim flower
Not just in aesthetic.
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Not coming in 8.0, but the second is gonna be taurajo based on datamining
dim flower
I wanna see some warfronts really change the future.
dense plover
i want to see an HD version of duskwallow
dim flower
Like make some neutral zones fully towards one faction.
dense plover
they do
dim flower
For Arathi?
dense plover
arathi BfA is sexy
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My hope is that it isn't just orcs vs humans structures again, give me forsaken vs nelfs, Tauren and undead rebuilt taurajo together, alliance build a nelf base in the overgrowth
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They made it look better?
dense plover
its been completely redone
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Ooooooh
dense plover
its like a legion quality zone
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I'm hyped for this xpac already.
Rip Old World but
I hope the New World looks beautiful.
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Arathi is not an old world zone to mourn lol
dense plover
and only when the warfront is active
dim flower
It is when you remember Fire Elemental farming.
dense plover
and it changes based on who is defending and who is attacking
which is a system similar to the legionfall broken shore building system
in that the buildings go up and down based on contributions
dim flower
Do we ever have a final winner?
dense plover
and when they are up your faction is defending and has access to different stuff
while when they are down, you are attacking the other faction in the warfront scenario
dim flower
That will affect the future of Azeroth?
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I hope so.
meager warren
it does affect the future of azeroth lore-wise because atm, the factions are using Azerite which is the literal blood of azeroth
dim flower
OH WAIT
They can't win Arathi
They have Lordaeron in the fucking background LUL
Forgot
meager warren
but they lose Mulgore apparently
dim flower
meager warren
the zone is flooded
dense plover
because the sea level on scenario maps is inaccurate
dim flower
We'll see what that's about.
meager warren
that doesn't count as losing?
dense plover
ungoro was flooded in the datamined version of the sword
dim flower
I love water zones personally.
dim flower
Awe
meager warren
it is in the scenario and probably lore-wise
dense plover
they copy a section and then place it in a new area
dense plover
and because mulgore is below sea level
it is flooded
it isnt in the scenario edgy
there is no scenario for barrens warfront
we just have a map
dense plover
and some datalines
meager warren
wtf do you mean it's "on the scenario" then
dim flower
We need a Barrens battleground.
Someone hit up Blizzard and tell them we need a Crossroads based battleground.
meager warren
we need a flooded mulgore
dense plover
they wont flood mulgore
dim flower
True
dense plover
it wouldnt make sense
dim flower
water makes zones better.
meager warren
how do you know
dense plover
also, how would they even do that?
dim flower
Remember old 1000N?
meager warren
cata 2.0?
dim flower
So what
meager warren
mulgore could go down
dim flower
Deathwing can be revived.
dense plover
so theres no way to get that much water there
dense plover
and no he cant
tropic trail
People flooding gorde places? Are you guys followers of Jaina?
meager warren
and hit a water reservoir below it
tropic trail
Horde*
meager warren
i'm a hordey
dim flower
Let's flood Kalimdor.
dim flower
All of it is now a new Naga kingdom.
meager warren
and death
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edgy
And then
The Horde is no longer a faction for players but now.
It's only Alliance VS Naga.
meager warren
Tauren naga when
meager warren
idk
meager warren
oof, that's much better
dim flower
That's the new expansion now, guys.
Whole 180
We flood Kalimdor.
Alliance VS Gilren
and Naga
and Deathwing
Should we bring Arthas back too?
People liked him.
meager warren
make it happen bliz
dim flower
WoW 22.0
meager warren
nah, arthas is a ded meme
meager warren
who?
dim flower
HHm?
meager warren
yes
dim flower
Okay...
dense plover
She is the daughter of "a highly decorated stormwind knight, who gave his life to destroy the lich king"
dim flower
But if she overthrew the Lich King, wouldn't that make her the Queen of Lordaeron?
dim flower
Mhm
dense plover
so if she dies?
dim flower
Well what I'm saying is we reverse it
meager warren
Bolvar becomes evil?
dense plover
that could push Bolvar to the old gods
meager warren
if she kills Sylvanas on the way, i'm her biggest fan
dim flower
I always wonder what would happen if Jaina went with Arthas.
dense plover
her dying could legit make bolvar lose his cool though
dense plover
i hope thats what happens tbh
dim flower
He's a very chill dude.
dense plover
i hope we get a lich king old god expac next
because yogg is there
and so is bolvar
meager warren
Bolvar is one of my favorite characters because he actually has sense
dim flower
I want a Northrend driven in flames.
meager warren
Bolvar, Taran Zhu, and that pandaren waiter
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Like he's sitting at his throne.
His daughter dies.
ALL of Northrend just EXPLODES into a wake of flame.
His ice prison melts.
meager warren
?
dim flower
The Lich King is back in full swing, crazed as ever by the might of Yogg-Saron.
meager warren
how would it melt
dim flower
Fire.
dense plover
yeah
meager warren
wot
dim flower
Oh, yeah, I guess that sorta conflicts.
dense plover
so its been getting hot up in ice crown
meager warren
can't ice be holy too tho
dim flower
I just hope he's not a good guy.
dense plover
in the DK artifact scenarios
dim flower
Well it's less frost.
dense plover
icecrown is melting
dim flower
Dude there's so much cool shit that can go down.
meager warren
he may be holy but he's undead
dim flower
I want to see Yogg-Saron just go full-blast on this shit man
dense plover
though tbh, i hope we see dragon isle this expac
dim flower
Like we invade Northrend and everything can just be an illusion.
meager warren
dragon isle?
dense plover
its a good time for dragon isle currently
dense plover
yeah
dim flower
I'd love that.
meager warren
wat dis
dim flower
That Vanilla thing right?
meager warren
o
dim flower
oof
dense plover
but was never unconfirmed as canon
so its still a possibility
and again
with death of chromie making you 112
they could do stuff at 112 related to that
because we still dont know who was trying to kill her
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I kind of want it to be a raid just a little bit.
dense plover
they could even make it post-112
dim flower
But it won't be.
dim flower
Mhm
meager warren
you mean we saved her over and over again for no reason?
dense plover
no
dim flower
She didn't die because of us?
dim flower
Infinite Dragonflight is scary shit
meager warren
that's why i like it
dim flower
You don't wanna get involved with them.
meager warren
i do wanna get involved with them tho
dim flower
I'm not saying it'd be bad content.
I'm saying it'd be bad for the Forces of Azeroth.
meager warren
pffft
dim flower
Having Chromie switch sides all of a sudden.
I'm pretty sure she's one of the few Bronze Dragonflight members we're buddy-buddy with.
meager warren
she wouldn't be the first one
meager warren
they'd just write another bronze dragon to take her place. one which nobody knew about until now all of a sudden
dim flower
God, this speculation has me hyped for the next couple decades of WoW.
They could probably manipulate time to bring in a Chromie from the past.
To stop the Infinite one.
meager warren
letsdoit
dim flower
#doitblizz
meager warren
#doitblizz
wild pewter
^
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!!
every build I pray for a new rokhan model
its more likely now with warfronts getting attention
dense plover
he really needs one
liadrin has new armor, so shes fine tbh
but rokhan needs something
whether its a new model
or custom armor
do we have official art of rokhan?
for all I know, his model and armor are accurate
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all we've got is TCG art based on his in game model
but he really needs a model based on his wc3 one
wooden topaz
Baby garrosh anyone ?
dense plover
kul tiras load screen
in the alternate universe
grommash never has a son
there isnt an alt garrosh
wooden topaz
I mean hes older so maybe
dense plover
no
because garrosh was born before this point in grommash's life
garrosh was born before grommash drank the fel blood
but that happens at the start of warlords
there is no alt garrosh
its been confirmed
thats why there is that cutscene where grommash is so surprised to learn garrosh is his son
because in alt draenor he never had one
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garrosh's mom died before she could have garrosh in that timeline
dense plover
^
sharp bluff
well he isn't a fel orc, so he aged real fast
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and ya they confirmed no garrosh, same with Suarfang, he has no alternate
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I mean based on how drastically he aged, combined with the lines, Id say the timelines are synched up now
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@serene marsh this may seem odd, but there might be a lot of music in this build. a lot of the strings that gave tiragarde placeholder music were removed which may mean there is new music
dense plover
its a chimera boss in uldir i think
so its from the spider old god insects probably
the ones i cant remember the name of
sharp bluff
would make a nice forsaken pet... ah so chances are those may be eggs on it
dense plover
chimera might be underrot too
also, its the first chimera thats actually a chimera
claws AND hooves, 3 heads, each a different animal
jade basalt
A friend of mine heard from a Blizz friend (I know) that they were thinking of 3 scenarios for the playable mag'har, one of them being that AU Draenor 'sped up' to our time and basically time skipped 30 years. That was months ago but now Grommash is suddenly old..
So it might be the right scenario.
dense plover
oh
apparently their racial gives a short stat buff
the maghar
and it can vary
because it selects a different blessing for each clan
terse patrol
It seems the Draenor we’re returning to is present day Draenor.
So, not the 35 years ago one.
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Honk means present day AU draenor