What else do i remember
#beta-ptr-spoilers
hollow dock
I play hearthstone so.
tulip sun
Or at least 1 new one
hollow dock
Its always Huffer
tulip sun
I love that Rexxar is really fighting in the war.
Keep us updated porter! :)
So is no other named characters of note there with rexxar?
uncut vault
Aside from Cromush and Nathanos who is the Horde's khadgar this xpac, no
tulip sun
At least cromush is doing stuff
I wanna know when valtrois and garona actually get doing stuff lol
river dirge
"Huelo" is Spanish for "I smell", so that's something.
Also I don't care about Valtrois, give Mekkatorque lore. Lordaeron scenario was cool with him appearing with Alleria from a void portal bringing TANKS AND PLANES.
jade basalt
Eh, he didn't even appear because of any strategic reason or anything despite gnomes being supposed to be The Smartz, but just so they could use his planes.
river dirge
Not really though? Had they not arrived as reinforcements with the spider tank thingies Nathanos and Lor'themar would have advanced on the Alliance and killed them.
Since Anduin was already kinda preparing for a last stand.
jade basalt
What "not really" ?
Alleria ported them in and saved Anduin thanks to their numbers.
river dirge
I mean, that they added a bit more than just "bring planes to overcome the inconvenient Blight".
jade basalt
No ? They were literally only brought for their planes and spiders.
When you'd expect Gnomes to get a more important, strategic role in wars or battles than producing mecas.
river dirge
It's a siege, might just be that in this battle they're just joining the siege efforts, it's not really like any other race gets much different treatment.
Mekkatorque has been so absent from anything even resembling being relevant that I'll take him being reduced to bringing in the cavalry than just being another face on the battlefield.
sharp bluff
last time he was around and had any sort of importance was Broken Shores i think
and before that idk
river dirge
And in the Broken Shore I don't really think he added anything other than having a pretty damn cool mecha and killing a couple demons.
(Conveniently the way they appear in the scenario also excuses their absence in the BfA cinematic, which I was quite salty about)
uncut vault
hes sent back to brill but S.A.F.E. fly us to sylvanas and saurfang
tulip sun
Huelo dies?!?!
Ooh, 2nd person we meet is a highmounyain centurion
Towellie is pissing me off. Read the text dude
I will just watch it later so i can rewind
But it is nice seeing allied races in positions
hollow dock
Why y'all hating on a person for playing a game how they want to play D=
tulip sun
Ok, ya, play how he wants. I just dont get how people play without reading qhat is happening xD
hollow dock
Oh a lot of people do. I prefer to do it while in Alpha/beta because I dont want to know. I want to save that for live.
dim flower
Didn’t Rexxar have like an eagle and an army of Kodos in Warcraft 3?
dense plover
watch nobbel
he will probably stream today if he hasnt streamed yet
and he reads the text
tulip sun
Ya, thats what i plan mrpeach
And lately rexxar has only had like 4
And the new wolf introduced dies
hollow dock
ha
tulip sun
@uncut vault Anything cool you saw?
uncut vault
took a break from the horde one to get screenies from horde version for a guildie, they're interested in jainas boatmancy
hollow dock
But peach
dense plover
if it stays there, ill be impressed, and then i will want to see that cutscene
hollow dock
we're tryign to make funny jokes about the fact that Jaina is using her titan abilities to summon boats to crush people
ruby star
flying boats confirmed
dense plover
aka airships
uncut vault
what do you mean it copied along with her? the models arent connected
its probably a blizz meme but jaina being there isnt the reason
meager warren
^
tulip sun
People need to chil with comllaining about the blight lol
They are getting so pissed about it on yhe forums xD
The
hollow dock
Im more salty over the fact that the horde is allowed to use their deadly weapons
but the alliance isnt
tulip sun
Complaining...cant type
meager warren
i read that as complaining.
urgood
tulip sun
What deadly weapons do the alliance have though
meager warren
^
meager warren
since when aren't they allowed to use any of that?
hollow dock
They flat out aren't using it. Anywhere.
tulip sun
I will give you vindicaar, but realistically they are likely protecting Azuremyste
The mechs are honestly on par with shredders and the belf golems
meager warren
and that somehow equates to them not being allowed to use them?
k
hollow dock
Blizzard is stating that they aren't allowed to use it
by they themselves not using it
tulip sun
They only have one ship
hollow dock
and lets say the Vindicaar does stay at Azuremyst.
What about the Army of Light mechs? What about the full strength of the Army of Light
tulip sun
There are a lot of things missing Vris. I would honestly love everything to be in it
hollow dock
Those war machines can solo Legion dreadnaughts. Do you really think a few catapults of the horde are going to stand a chance??
tulip sun
Nightborne and belf golems
ruby star
Vris is right
ruby star
The Vindicaar would win teh Alliance the war instantly if they used it
tulip sun
Who else is missing
hollow dock
All of which can't stand that well against Legion tech. Yet Army of the Light can and has. Like in the arms race, the alliance has more thanwon.
ruby star
gotta love those orbital strikes
tulip sun
The blood elves made the exodar crash lol
meager warren
Sylvanas would use the Army of the Light shit.
Don't say she wouldn't
ruby star
Silvermoon will be a crator once it meets teh Vindacaar
meager warren
so why not the alliance
hollow dock
Yes because the blood elves were actually -on- the Exodar as they made their get-a-way
Not the case for the Vindicaar
ruby star
@EdgyTroll#9235 Sylvanas does not have a spaceship which can orbital strike 😉
uncut vault
I mean, we straight up get to use gnomish spider mechs
tulip sun
Vindicaar is not able to be realistically used.
hollow dock
But where are our Lightforged War Machines? Ya know. The things that can destroy Legion Dreadnaughts all on its own?
dense plover
army of light does not fight for the alliance
tulip sun
A shredder could do that with our characters in it
hollow dock
Turalyon pledged the Army of the Light for the alliance
uncut vault
same place as the blood golems, and the mana bombs that the blood elves own
dense plover
just because lightforged have joined doesnt mean the army of the light is not the army of the alliance
uncut vault
sidelined until plot demands
dense plover
^^^^
tulip sun
^^^
hollow dock
and that's what I hate. I'm salty as fuck that they're sidelined to push this stupid faction war.
uncut vault
Id rather give gnomes a spotlight than draenei again
tulip sun
Draenei were there
tulip sun
Even using auchunai equipment
tulip sun
They cant put everything in one battle. They are fighting all over the world. Share borders
uncut vault
lightforged mechs annoy me anyways, draenei tech always counterbalanced gnomes by being advanced, but rare and made with scraps
tulip sun
You are being unrealistic in wanting all it
hollow dock
I'm not wanting it all
uncut vault
now suddenly the lightforged just have em on demand, perfect condition
meager warren
Apparently the ones that we paid 500k for are just going to take up space in our mount collection. It's sad that we can't be a one-person army with our Lightforged mounts
tulip sun
As i said before, they cant let everyone put their focus on one battle
meager warren
I want Blizzard to make the Horde and Alliance to use all of their resources.
And if they don't, don't give us shitty reasons why they're not using them
tulip sun
Not even close
meager warren
I can't think of anything on the Horde side they're not using
uncut vault
I mean theyre not letting the horde use all their resources. Blight is the only major weapon theyre using atm
tulip sun
I caan think of a good bit
meager warren
like what
tulip sun
Nightborne and Blood elf forces and golems
Mana bombs
Highmountain forces, including airial bombardments
Huojin monks
meager warren
touche
hollow dock
Outside of manabombs, yea they should be using those things.
hollow dock
I only say exluding mana bombs because no one wants to use those.
Also there's a very real chance that canon doesn't actually work
tulip sun
My point is there are things on both sides not being used
meager warren
okay well
the Horde is using their biggest (figuratively ofc) weapon but the Alliance isn't
tulip sun
The alliance is attacking the city the blight is made in
We are not siehing the vindicaar
Sieging
uncut vault
id argue jainas their biggest weapon, she's used
tulip sun
^^^^
meager warren
i'd argue she's not
hollow dock
I'd argue, since theyre not actually using Jaina's titan powers, that the Vindicaar is still stronger.
cuz ya know. being able to lay seige to the Legions homeworld andnot get destroyed in the process is something Jaina certainly doesn't have.
dense plover
what titan powers?
hollow dock
her staff.
hollow dock
Dont forget that her staff is infused with titan energy
hollow dock
that happened. It's never been used since.
meager warren
a piece of a piece of titan energy is still titan energy
dense plover
its not like she has the full force of a titan vris
tulip sun
Honestly no
hollow dock
without titan abilities
dense plover
at this point, most of the power is gone
hollow dock
so not a point to really compare
dense plover
like, raden got a tiny fraction
he then put that fraction into a machine
which was then used to summon the thunderking
uncut vault
it isnt, lei shen not only had ra dens power, he got his titan soul fragment too
it stayed intact
dense plover
and then jaina got some of the power
its not ALL of a titans power
its a small piece
uncut vault
its all of a titan keepers power though
hollow dock
Inded. but its all that was sent to Ra'den
uncut vault
which is still insanely formidable
dense plover
hmmmmm
hollow dock
and she drained the machine dry.
dense plover
how much do we as players have
hollow dock
which ended up making it unusable
dense plover
considering all of the gear we have gotten from all the different titan keepers
hollow dock
The power level of players atm is really. Well.
meager warren
probably a lot considering all the shit we've done
dense plover
realistically, how powerful is jaina's staff thanks to raden, compared to the average alliance or horde hero
i mean realistically, does her power gain actually matter?
hollow dock
Post-artifacts? She's probably contesting Azshara as the most powerful spell caster with that staff.
dense plover
hmmmmmmm
meager warren
i'd wager it's a shit-ton more powerful.
The player character is not the average Horde character. They're the champions of the Class Halls and the Factions
dense plover
id argue that
uncut vault
shes the most powerful mortal mage
dense plover
if she is so strong
uncut vault
theyve said so in guides, and said so at blizzcon
dense plover
how the hell does katherine proudmoore banish her?
uncut vault
because jainas not gonna murder her mum
hollow dock
Because she doesn't want to kill her mama. cuz feewings
meager warren
by Jaina following through with the banishment because she can?
uncut vault
her goal isnt conquer kul tiras, its get them into the alliance
uncut vault
and genn is also accompanying us, so if she fails, he's still working at it
dense plover
genns dangerous for the alliance
meager warren
if it was about conquering Kul'tiras, the Kul'tirans would join the Horde
dense plover
he is in a place of high power, and he makes bad decisions
hollow dock
Genn is.
But I believe we are getting a bit off topic from the original complaint:
The horde is using their WMDs but the alliance isnt
meager warren
At least the Alliance gets the Lightforged Draenei
hollow dock
We are talking about the blight
hollow dock
that the blight suddenly doesn't kill undead now.
dense plover
maybe they dont feel it is appropriate
meager warren
they said they're not allowed
dense plover
lightforged just joined the alliance
maybe they arent comfortable going all out
same reason nightborne and highmountain arent at the siege of lordaeron
hollow dock
and Turalyon, leader of the Army of Light, pledged the forces of the Army of Light for the Alliance
dense plover
the forces
not the army itself
forces is just people
the vindacaar is still the draenei's
specifically velen is in charge of it
who knows why he wont lend it out
meager warren
"Forces of the Army of the Light" kinda implies the actual army
hollow dock
That includes their tech. otherwise why are we sending naked people into battle?
dense plover
maybe he doesnt think a weapon of light should be used so lightly
hollow dock
to prevent the murder of innocent civilians isnt what a weapon of the Light should be used for?
tranquil steeple
sorry but just wanna do this
dense plover
innocent civilians?
tranquil steeple
"a weapon of light should be used so lightly"
tulip sun
Well
dense plover
the warriors of the alliance are not innocent civilians
hollow dock
get out Sela
meager warren
get out Vris
dense plover
like
meager warren
that was gold
dense plover
if anything
tranquil steeple
i'm not even sorry
tulip sun
Vindicaar shooting undercity would kill innocent civilians vris
dense plover
the only innocent civilians there are the forsaken trying to flee from the undercity
hollow dock
I am not saying it should target the Undercity
crystal spade
so apparently lordaeron's nuked by sylvanas?
hollow dock
Im saying it should get used in 1 single battle of Alliance and Horde forces
dense plover
maybe it will
tulip sun
I agree with you there
dense plover
maybe we will get a reason why it isnt
hollow dock
because it would wipe out the horde forces. Very easily.
meager warren
oh, so somehow the forsaken are innocent but the alliance army isn't?
dense plover
they used all of their resources to make it
crystal spade
"[CUTSCENE] - Sylvanas is waiting in the throne room when Anduin arrives. Anduin offers her the chance to surrender. Instead, she blows up the entire city. I mean, what did you expect?"
tulip sun
Maybe we will see a failed attack on azuremyste
dense plover
hopefully they explain what happens post legion with the vindacaar
meager warren
they
tulip sun
Edgy, forsaken have civilians too...
dense plover
even if its only a short thing in the prepatch
meager warren
re really bad at explaining
uncut vault
yeah she explodes all her plague canisters as they retreat
probably detonates them all at the end
ruby star
They Should us the vindacaar like honestly
uncut vault
why?
dense plover
its actually really smart
crystal spade
because i really wanted to see lordaeron be used
uncut vault
they were losing the city, she destroyed it on her own terms
dense plover
it gives her time to save her people
ruby star
Mr Velen has gotta realise it's war
crystal spade
i get the lore standppoint of it, but i really wanted to see lordaeron get used for something by the alliancae
crystal spade
but with the plague there it essentially akes it impossible to be usable
by anyone
dense plover
means gilneas gets rebuilt
crystal spade
gilneas is still plagued as far as we know
dense plover
because at this point it has maybe been cleaned up
strange falcon
the scenario is on the alpha,i can confirm that sylvanas gasses undercity as soon as she realizes the alliance won
dense plover
varian said he was gonna clean it
meager warren
Khamn, i know.
But they're forsaken.
And Alliance hate filthy undead because they're apparently abominations.
Meanwhile, the Alliance is using Lightforged Draenei, Demon hunters, Death Knights, Void Elves, etc
tulip sun
Doesnt mesn their not innocent
uncut vault
one of those things is not like the other
tulip sun
Dont see your point
dense plover
this is the perfect time for the alliance to reclaim gilneas and make it a new city
and make the wilderness there good for the nightelves
since it is already steeped in druid magic
meager warren
well true
dense plover
no clue what the plan for the forsaken is
uncut vault
here's hoping the witchwood xpac is hinting at BfA content
meager warren
but they're all for Sylvanas
dense plover
maybe not hinting, but possibly built on similar plans
ruby star
The vindacaar doing orbital strike on Orgrimmar would be the best thing ever
uncut vault
there are forsaken added to orgrimmar, deathguard added to the roster of guards, sylvanas in the throne room
ruby star
in a cinematic
dense plover
wouldnt happen drorith
that would kill tons of civilians
anduin and velen would never allow that
just like sylvanas may hate the alliance
but she wouldnt manabomb stormwind
ruby star
I know it won't, I'm just saying it would be the greatest cinematic
dense plover
mostly because manabombs dont leave bodies to be raised as forsaken
if she could bomb stormwind and raise the bodies, she would do it
meager warren
That would kill tons of civilians
Anduin and Velen would never allow that
Oh, like they haven't killed civies before?
meager warren
if they tried to avoid that kind of stuff, they wouldn't participate in the Alliance/ Horde war
tulip sun
All allied races are used at some point except a LF draenei
terse patrol
Blizzard won’t destroy all of the Lordaeron territory, just the city.
The Horde gained Ashenvale forest, which they’ve always wanted.
hollow dock
which garrosh has always wanted*
meager warren
i wonder how Lordaeron will look when a massive hole replaces it
terse patrol
The sheer outrage that would happen if Sylvanas somehow blighted all of Lordaeron would be insane.
Nah, it’ll just be a nuked city.
meager warren
ha 2l8
terse patrol
Well
It’s been longer now between BFA and Cataclysm than it was between Cataclysm and Vanilla.
I’m pretty sure most of the Plague has been gotten rid of in Lordaeron.
And it’s now usable land.
We still have Andorhal and Stratholme we could use.
They just need to be repaired and rebuilt.
As well as Tyr’s Hand ofc.
New Avalon.
hollow dock
As far as I know, Tyr's hand and most of the now former Plague Lands is under the protection of the Silver Hand.
terse patrol
I really doubt the Silver Hand would deny the Alliance their former lands.
Plus, I doubt the Silver Hand is even as functional as it once was due to the faction war.
hollow dock
Why wouldn't it?
The Silver Hand's members specifically stay in the Silver Hand because of Light's dedication.
uncut vault
I mean blood knights went back to the horde, I assume the other factions did too
terse patrol
I can see them keeping Light’s Hope and Hearthglen.
Denying the Alliance the cities they’d lost to the Scourge would be a shitty move.
They’d be proven to be an expansionist organization, rather than a band of Paladins looking to wipe out forces of evil.
hollow dock
IMO. This alliance in its current state didn't lose those cities to the scourge. the human alliance did. and that is a very dead faction. Which is why I also lay claim to the idea that the alliance doesn't really need Lordaeron as much as it needs to get rid of the horde. since most of their citizens already live there.
terse patrol
they’d at least get Andorhal.
hollow dock
I can see that. since they've been fighting for Andorhal with the Horde for so long.
terse patrol
Caer Darrow could be repurposed for Void Elves.
uncut vault
chronicles basically confirms the alliance of then is the alliance of now
the dwarves, gnomes, and humans never broke their alliance
terse patrol
lmao
tranquil steeple
i hope you're a frost mage jaina.... ouch
sudden oak
I have a question about the orbital strike stuff from the vindicaar
uncut vault
My pic has now gotten to every one of my spoiler discords
I’m proud of myself
Kinda regret taking that out of context
sudden oak
If the weapons belongs to the lightforged doesn't it means that it needs argunite to work??
A mineral only found in argus
uncut vault
Argunite is the same as every other generic metal resource we have
Used in droves, never mentioned again after that patch
hollow dock
^
Like. We have metals that are rediculously over powered
like refined Saronite, Elementium
but we just drop it for the next expacs OP metal
tulip sun
But in lore the ship required it?
hollow dock
and it'll never be mentioned again.
Like the fact that death knights make their armor out of Saronite but never mention where/how theyre getting it.
sudden oak
As far as I remember the vindicaar doesn't need argunite since it's from our draenei
But most weapons of the army of the light should use argunite as fuel
hollow dock
and itl'l keep doing that
but we magically get it and have an infinite amount o fit
until the plot demands that we run out of it
for 'tension'
terse patrol
I mean, either way
The Vindicaar is the perfect troop carrier.
Flies super fast. Teleports troops in.
hollow dock
it's so much more than a troop carrier. It's a full on flying fortress.
sudden oak
Something that could happen now since we are not in argus anymore
terse patrol
The Horde wouldn't be able to compete well with it.
hollow dock
What are they going to do?
Fling barrels of blight at it?
Legion fireballs and Dreadnaughts couldn't bring it down I'm really doubtful that some bat bois are going to
sudden oak
And it could help with the subject of the alliance being able to do orbital strikes when they want
hollow dock
If it orbits azeroth the horde just needs to surrender. We can target where ever they are, whenever we want, and destroy any military stations they create
and they can't touch us
sudden oak
Also the legion couldn't bring the vindicaar down because we were protecting it
Destroying the cannons before the shields failed
tulip sun
Ya
tropic trail
I'm not sure the horde has anything on par with the legions weapons tho
hollow dock
Canons were still present.
tulip sun
The legion could have shot it down
sudden oak
Velen says a lot of times they wouldn't be able to hold for long
tulip sun
It brought the lightforged main ship down in one hit
hollow dock
If you sit on the vindicaar, we were stillg etting shot at. The shields simply held on. We cleared the area right beneath the Vindicaar, but we never actually clear the huge field of them where the Xenedar went down
sudden oak
Yeah but that's because they are not going to make the vindicaar really fall
hollow dock
Exactly
sudden oak
I meant in game
hollow dock
If the Legion couldn't bring it down, there's no way that the horde can.
sudden oak
Yeah but the legion could bring it down
sudden oak
Because we destroyed their siege weapons before they could
tropic trail
the firsts quests were about this
hollow dock
We never destroyed all their siege weapons. We destroyed 1 that was near the Vindicaar and left all the others up
tropic trail
we destroyed their heaviest hitting weapons
basic fel-cannons of course won't do anytihng
hollow dock
They weren't basic fel canons
they were the exact same creature we destroy in the first quest
you can head to the scar left by the Xenedar and see all their circles just sitting there
that's what's hitting the Vindicaar as it floats in the area. Not to mention that it's able to sit next to the Legion's drydocks and has mechs on it that can solo the dreadnaughts in the area.
tropic trail
Pretty sure lorewise we were stopping most of the threats to the vindicaar
during a lot of WQ and stuff
hollow dock
There are 0 WQs that actually have us deal with the left over siege weapons
We leave them up.
sudden oak
There is a WQ where you need to redirect a a legion siege weapon aiming at the vindicaar
hollow dock
You redirect a fel canon in the area to destroy Kil'jaedens ship
that is not the same siege weapon we destroy in the opening quest nor are the siege weapons left near the Xenedar.
sudden oak
And you use it to shoot at the remains of KJ ship
But still is a powerful siege weapon aiming at the vindicaar to destroy it
tropic trail
ok, but it's still a quest about defending the vindicaar
hollow dock
Yes it is. but that 1 siege weapon is not The entire field of siege demons that are opening fire on the Vindicaar and are incapable of bringing it down
tropic trail
and so is the army of the light on the ground
hollow dock
QUESTS
and there are 0 dealing with them. They're not even referenced oustide of the starting quest
which is "That certainly isn't the last one they have."
sudden oak
In the initial quest line we destroy a big demon-siege engine and also smaller siege weapons
hollow dock
yes and there are more. Not very far away from where we destroyed it. Near the Xenedar.
tropic trail
The army of the light isn't just sitting around the teleport beacons, they are actually doing stuff as well as the player
they're probably deal with those
hollow dock
Indeed. they're holding the points around the beacons as they're constantly under siege.
On the Legions homeworld
and you're telling me the horde can do a better job than the legion can
tropic trail
no
hollow dock
That's the point of this argument
tropic trail
in fact at the start of this argument I said the horde probably doesn't have anytihng on par with the legion
tropic trail
the point of the argument was weather the legion could
sudden oak
But the legion can do it
tropic trail
and you claimed they couldn't
sudden oak
We don't leave then to do it
hollow dock
They can't because they haven't. If they could, they would have done it
tropic trail
I highly doubt that a quickly built draenei ship could withstand the defenses on the legion homeworld
hollow dock
It has. You see it happen.
meager warren
The Horde doesn't have anything on par with the legion?
Then how were they one half of the forces that destroyed them?
sudden oak
We destroy the legions defenses that's why it survives
tulip sun
Vris...stop. I know uour just trolling
hollow dock
I am not
tropic trail
horde wasn't 1/2 of the forces that fought the legion
the alliance was
specifically the draenei
meager warren
so was the alliance:)
hollow dock
The horde cannot destroy the Vindicaar has the legion has never been able to.
tropic trail
no ones arguing that the horde can destroy it
hollow dock
that was the whole start of this and you guys decided to argue it
tropic trail
no, we're arguing if the legion can
sudden oak
^
meager warren
^
tropic trail
then why didn't we just sit in our ship and space laser all the demons?
hollow dock
the vindicaar -was- doing that
we have to continue pushing forward.
on foot. cuz we're the heroes.
meager warren
oh and let's not forget that the Vindicaar is in Argus which is in the Twisting Nether where demons are born.
There are more demons on Argus and the twisting nether than elsewhere
tropic trail
why can't the vindicaar just push forward?
meager warren
it was
hollow dock
The vindicaar aint got no legs
Rather than push, it sits and provided support by placing down becons and transporting the Army of the Light into Antorus while it dealt with Legion Dreadnaughts.
tropic trail
ok, this argument is dumb, I agree with @tulip sun it sounds like you're just trolling
sudden oak
The legion not being able to do it and we not letting them is not the same
hollow dock
The legion not being able to do something is the same as we not letting them do it. They can't do it because we dont let them.
This whole argument is stupid. AS the original point was the horde can't do anything to it because the legion never could.
rigid furnace
And now the Vindicaar is in Orbit of Azeroth or at least somehow remaining stationary just outside the planet's pull. In a fantasy game, we have a spaceship with the capability to set down "Warp Points" and yet we're too honorable to use these resources against the horde? The ship by itself could likely destroy an army. And even outside of War, the potential for espionage and surveillance is supreme as they can do nothing against something LITERALLY IN SPACE. Maybe it's a courtesy thing for helping them deal with Argus? I dunno.
hollow dock
that's what I've been preaching Vesp
sharp bluff
Or they can’t make more beacons since they are made from materials from Argus, and they are saving the few beacons they have left?
hollow dock
It snot like we -can't- get back into the Nether to find Argus.
tropic trail
it would take forever to get there tho
sharp bluff
^
tropic trail
last time we went through a portal to get to argus
hollow dock
That's where we have the Korkul help us in making a portal to Argus that can allow us to teleport freely to and from.
Like we do with Draenor
rigid furnace
And yet the Lightforged have one to go to SW and back. I can't imagine all their tech was devised solely on Argus when they've been raiding Legion Worlds for 10,000 Years.
tropic trail
It's not like we don't have similar tech/magic to the beacons already on azeroth tho
hollow dock
Plus we will have an infinite supply of argunite until the plot demands otherwse
like every other metal/mineral we've had out there
tropic trail
or we could just use azerite, since I'd assume they're similar materials
hollow dock
until we eventually just leave it behind and never speak of it ever again in the next expansion
meager warren
we shouldn't use azerite since the use of it harms Azeroth though.
But the faction leaders are too stupid to realize that
hollow dock
Well we dont know that for exact sure
since -we the heroes saving azeroth- use Azerite too
meager warren
and when did we, as "heroes" not use minerals and stuff that ultimately turned out to be shitty?
rigid furnace
True, Portals & Translocation Pads/Orbs. But the scale is the thing though. They have a mobile base of operations where troops can port to wherever there's a Warp Point set up, and unlike a portal they have dynamic selection. You choose where you go. You could strategize troop formations on a scale entirely unheard of on the ground.
And that's just the Warp Point tech, they likely have superior artillery shields too if those things are tanking Legion shots.
hollow dock
Dont forget the War Machines that are capable of taking out Dreadnaughts all on their own
terse patrol
like
Couldn't we have sent the Vindicaar after Princess Talanji and the Zandalari fleet when they tried escaping Stormwind
like rly
meager warren
the reason the alliance doesn't use the vindicaar is probably because then the alliance would have an advantage over the Horde and for gameplay reasons, that would be a nightmare
especially since they'd have to do something similar for the horde
terse patrol
I guess they could also be waiting to use it in a surprise attack.
languid yoke
horde has oculeth doing portals tho
meager warren
Oculeth can only open portals in Suramar tho
terse patrol
Oculeth portals target a stationary position.
meager warren
^
terse patrol
The Vindicaar can move.
languid yoke
I thought the ones on Zuldazar are his work as well
terse patrol
They are.
meager warren
and that's not to mention everything else the vindicaar can do
terse patrol
We know that the Lightforged wont lose the Vindicaar for one reason:
It's their allied race hub.
All allied races get a race hub.
oak wraith
Alleria does bring in the gnome and void elf forces to Lordaeron through some sort of void portal thing.
tropic trail
Edgy, people also said that about Trolls, and look what happened.
They've had like what, 2-3 different 'starting' zones?
meager warren
wat
tropic trail
trolls have only had 2 different 1-6 experiences, the orc one, and the new one they got in cata
although, I'm not sure what this is relevant to
jade basalt
Yes
meager warren
vulpera are going to be an allied race?
or is that GM trolling us
jade basalt
Don't get excited, GMs can morph into any in-game model
Like the Lich King or some scorpid
meager warren
that's cool
ruby star
He is probably just joking about, GM's can turn into anything they want I think
hollow dock
The last time I saw a GM he was morphed into a spectral kitten.
rich apex
vulpera discord riots in the background
tropic trail
They're still one of the better candidates after kul tirans and trolls are out
unless they tease stuff later
hollow dock
I mean. I still argue high elves are a very good canidate but people suddenly hate elves.
ruby star
I agreee Vris, High Elves ❤
tropic trail
facepaint/tattoos, blue eyes, limit their hair colors to blonde white and brown, and maybe blue
hollow dock
I think they can work perfectly if you explore them more as a middling race between Blood Elves and Night Elves. Elisande even takes note of it that they're playing at Nobility when they really aren't.
tropic trail
KTs didn't look any different until blizz made them look different
the same could be true with high elves
hollow dock
exactly.
fathom needle
the person that made that SS said it said vulpera on mouse over
hollow dock
Yea because its a morph Free.
If you morph yourself into a Vrykul, or Orc, it says the same thing.
through toys and junk.
Only difference between us lowly players and the glorious Gamemasters is that they have commands to morph themselves into whatever they want.
fathom needle
mhmh oki
sudden oak
@hollow dock I found this and I thought you would like it https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/118456785047781384/434831018231332874/unknown.png
misty blaze
i would so love to be a gm in wow it sounds like fun job
hollow dock
it's not as fun as you'd think
ruby star
^
hollow dock
Your whole time is mostly spent answering tickets from people who are...well.
meager warren
they probably have to keep the vitriol on trade chat down and answer tickets
hollow dock
Not the brightest.
Oh they dont bother with trade chat. The most they ever do is restore peoples items after they've been hacked.
meager warren
o
hollow dock
or teleport a player out of a bugged zone they can't exit themselves.
You're essentially glorified tech support.
meager warren
rip
tulip sun
Kaga Warmstone(a highmountain) seems to be 2ic under rexxar
agile token
hollow dock
Yee
tropic trail
i want to know what their flight form is going to be, odds are boomkin will look something like the wickermen, but I don't think we've seen any flying wicker creatures yet.
meager warren
flappyboi
ruby star
Or a parrot
tropic trail
seems like it would break theme if it wasn't a wicker beast tho imo
sudden oak
id say it will look like the undead birds from stormheim but made of wood
silent stump
meager warren
lul
tropic trail
What if
meager warren
?
http://prntscr.com/j5drhd
the mag'har heritage armor looks pretty decent on the zandalari trolls
too bad the ears clip through the back of the helm and the shoes don't fit and the hand-things don'tfit
http://prntscr.com/j5ds0y
meager warren
i edited my message right before you commented
meager warren
i hope they make heritage armor available to all races after unlocking them on the "prime" race
and also, fix them
vocal sparrow
That defeats the whole point of them
(though I wouldn't mind them being useable by the "Equivlant" race
meager warren
what's the point of them?
vocal sparrow
A unique reward for going though the extra steps of meeting the requirments to unlock an allied race, going though the unlock quest chain and and then createing a brand new one and leveling them to max level manually
It's a huge timesink and one you don't have to take on
meager warren
and?
vocal sparrow
And it's a reward for that dedication to that specific race. They're also themed excusllivly around their identiy
meager warren
i'm not convinced
and if we of other races can't use the heritage armor, the least they can do is make similar-looking gear that everyone can use
vocal sparrow
Let me put it another way. It's like asking to wear the Class Hall Armor Sets on a diffrent class
meager warren
that sounds pretty cool tho
rustic mountain
Do you think the kultiran flight form will be a flying version of the wicker man creature model that’s already in the game already with like added dead branch wings or something?
meager warren
hopefully
rustic mountain
I love the wicker Druid theme thus far and hope it continues with all forms
sharp bluff
Heh nice one
meager warren
\o/
wild moss
"Make the nelves a feast" or "Make the nelves into a feast" 🤔
meager warren
why not both
meager warren
hollow dock
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445nm 81 points 2 months ago
Technically any race could be any class with the exception being if the trainers for said class restrict their knowledge to whatever race pursuing them, E.G. night elves/tauren refusing to teach druidic stuff to gnomes or something like that.
But that's a bit boring. Restrictions are arbitrary, though.
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meager warren
sadly
but the solution to that is, that i can think of,
*self-learning
*Finding people who don't mind teaching other races
hollow dock
Like yea it works. but balance is a thing. also logistics of hero classes. Society restrictions. etc.
mint arch
rich apex
Man
hollow dock
You know that WoW will never end
rich apex
I thought this was gonna be some epic essay
hollow dock
same Hyper
got real let down
so instead Ima go play 1 game of Hearthstone for like an hour.
rich apex
And they already can be literally every class except monks and hero classes?
hollow dock
just listening to mY jAwS tHaT bItE, mY cLaWs ThAt CaTcH
rich apex
And paladins are still up in the air
Like who's really whining about Zanda classes at this point
hollow dock
literally
rich apex
Unless they do shoot down paladins
hollow dock
everyone on the horde who wants it
cuz
ya know
Horde is just a bunch of whiny nerds
rich apex
But there's literally never going to be Allied DHs/DKs
hollow dock
:LUL
meager warren
i'mma keep whining about zanda until they get DH
rich apex
And no Zanda monks is pretty fair
hollow dock
Enjoy forever whining Arson
hollow dock
never
meager warren
:*(
sudden shoal
I was watching Nobbels video just now and saw something really cool about how jaina entered the battle for lordaeron i kinda really wanna share a screenshot from the video but idc if i can here 😜
^^ doesnt look like i even have the option to which is a shame 😪 aww
tropic trail
was it a boat?
sudden shoal
Yes 😂
rigid furnace
Dark Iron DKs would at least look pretty interesting, if there needs to be Parity then perhaps Zandalari could also be DKs or Mag'har. It'd just be a simple, if starting a Hero Class you cannot unlock your heritage armor set trigger.
sudden shoal
Made my day seeing it 😂
tropic trail
zand and dark irons were both around during and before wrath technically, so they could be DKs
but blizz says no
meager warren
^
meager warren
in the starting area?
tropic trail
probably
meager warren
i'm not sure why they can't do that
rigid furnace
Which is interesting since at first in a podcast was it? A dev vocally stated something like Dark Irons could be DKs. Yeah, that room of racial "friend you must cut down" is getting pretty full.
meager warren
compared to making zandalar and kul'tiras come to life, making do-able zanda/ dark iron DKs should be acake walk
tropic trail
I suppose that's a fair point tho, dark iron and zands wouldn't have an argent dawn friend to kill
since they were never part of those factions
meager warren
no but the lich king can still revive a zanda's/ dark iron'sfriend
they don't necessarily have to be part of the argent dawn either, i don't think
and even if they do, the argentdawn can still recruit the newallied races
tropic trail
Maybe the DK starting zone needs to be revamped, as much as I love it, redoing it to allow all current and future races might be for the best
meager warren
^
hollow dock
Allied races are not made for the hero classes.
meager warren
o rly
rigid furnace
Ah, because they operate like boosts
meager warren
well then they should make them operate like for hero classes
humble sun
They should make the races start at the level cap of the expansion they're from.
imo
Not level 20.
Save for Kul'tiran Humans and Zandalari Trolls.
rigid furnace
so...110 for the Legion races? lol
humble sun
Yeep.
humble sun
Sell boosts by offering 120 boost from 8.1 forward.
tropic trail
would make farming stupid easy, and people who actually leveled alts mad
meager warren
tbh, only being able to play the new races for 10 levels would be kinda a let-down
humble sun
So, HM Tauren, LF Draenei, Velfs, Nightborne 110. Dark Iron Dwarves, 60, Mag'har Orcs 100.
@meager warren So when you cap a toon you don't play them ever again?
humble sun
So it's not only 10 levels.
meager warren
it's 10 levels as ofBFA
sharp bluff
Edgy if KT druids are real, then Zan Paladins will be real for players, so I’m betting we will get Zan pallys
humble sun
So?
stoic vortex
This is why I'm more excited to play BFA then any other MMO. https://clips.twitch.tv/CrunchyUnsightlyAppleCurseLit
humble sun
Your current 110 is only going to level 10 times.
meager warren
so it's stupid
humble sun
I think to better suit you at the start of each expansion all toons should reset back to level 1.
meager warren
no. my current 110, i would have leveled 110 times before that, in order to get a feel for the race and class that i'm playing
sharp bluff
Alliance is missing druid, horde is missing pally, it makes since if one side gets one, the other side gets one also lol
humble sun
I'm only following the logic I see here.
hollow dock
I think its not impossible for Zandalari to get paladins
hollow dock
but its impossible for KT to not get druids. Cuz the druid forms actually exist.
hollow dock
The belf paladin is literally a forced paladin class
meager warren
the only horde races that can be paladins are tauren and belves
hollow dock
in design and lore
terse patrol
Blizz wouldn’t redo the DK start unless they did another major Scourge thingy
tropic trail
true
stoic vortex
Paladins are a Human, Belf/Helf, and Dwarf thing imo
tropic trail
but I mean, why holy cows?
sharp bluff
If KT druid then Zan Pally, it keeps the allied race balance
stoic vortex
Tauren paladins are forced
meager warren
rigid furnace
Hmm, that makes me think on explanations on which Allied Races could and couldn't be DKs. I'm guessing through being Lightforged they are likely immune to undeath or at least more difficult to raise than even Worgen. Mag'har can be turned, so can Zandas, Dark Irons, Moose. Might be complications with Void Elves/Nightborne due to existent body warping from either Arcane or Void. So, that's 4 Races at least. Ah, Kul Tirans should be able to be turned too but that offsets the balance so let's just magically leave them be.
meager warren
Tauren paladins are forced?
how
stoic vortex
Zep, you guys already get more druids then we do
meager warren
sunburgers exist
stoic vortex
Draenei would also be a good pally race
tropic trail
forsaken paladins could've been more interesting just to see how the culture deals with it, but tauren pallies are just like "naw, we druids"
sharp bluff
You have more pallys
hollow dock
Theres no lore reasons for it vesp
humble sun
Paladin Cows feel like they should've just implemented a Tauren-only spec for Druids.
humble sun
Focused around the sun and it's powers.
hollow dock
its the same reason Silvermoon/Exodar are never used
The logistics behind it are simply to much for blizzard to be assed about
rigid furnace
I know, I was just going through minor lore concepts as to why they may or may not at any point in the future.
sharp bluff
The allied races on each side are missing one of each class, blizzard likes balancing things, one of each class per side for allied races, it makes sense
meager warren
the paladin class starts at level 1, right?
how would that be any more difficult than it was to give them hunter
sharp bluff
If they give alliance an allied druid, that means that allied horde are missing out on a class, but alliance allies get all classes
olive mirage
i mean, lore wise tauren paladins are not actually paladins, but Sun Walkers... but blizz didnt want to make a new class so they just lumped them in
stoic vortex
Zep, so horde getting three druids and one paladin to Alliance getting one druid is fair?
humble sun
@olive mirage Hence why I said that they should've been some Tauren-only spec for Druids instead of going with Paladin.
tropic trail
it's shaman and paladins that are balanced between the factions I thought, not druids and paladins
olive mirage
that wouldve taken more effort, its easier to just say X class can now be Y and shove the animations on the model
stoic vortex
Green, only class balanced between the factions are monks
tropic trail
not priest
humble sun
Orc Priest?
tropic trail
orcs can't be priests
humble sun
I don't think so.
olive mirage
ive never played horde so 
tropic trail
because the fel cut off their connection tot he light
humble sun
I only play undead and humans.
tropic trail
or something
terse patrol
Orcs had shadow priests tho during the wars
humble sun
Not familiar with other race class combos.
terse patrol
Necrolytes.
olive mirage
but everyone can be a hunter
tropic trail
warlocks
sharp bluff
Your looking at it wrong and right, try looking at it this way; alliance allied races get 10 classes, but horde allied get 9 classes @stoic vortex
olive mirage
gnome/goblin hunters were new with legion right?
stoic vortex
Fuck undead until we get undead Elf and undead Human customization options
terse patrol
No, shadow priests. The Church of the Forgotten Shadow was based off of Necrolyte teachings.
humble sun
They should eventually remove the class/race restrictions at some point.
Let anyone be anything.
tropic trail
goblins have always been hunters
olive mirage
cyn, that would cause massive backlash 
with how much people are complaining about lore now
tropic trail
yeah, lemme play a forsaken druid
humble sun
People have always complained about the lore.
tropic trail
form or, skeletal bear!
humble sun
People complaining about lore isn't new.
meager warren
i still want to see undead paladins
humble sun
It's been happening for the lifespan of the game.
meager warren
and undead druids
stoic vortex
Actually, you're trying to justify Horde getting more druids then ally.
olive mirage
lore wise thats impossible troll
humble sun
Lore is getting dumb.
olive mirage
holy undead priests are pushing it
humble sun
Just let everyone be anything.
tropic trail
I think undead paladins would be interesting, how would their culture that revels in shadow deal with paladins among them?
sharp bluff
But it comes down to alliance get 10 allied classes if druid KT; if no Zan pally then Horde only get 9 allied classes
olive mirage
the light physically causes undead pain
humble sun
I'm going to roll an Undead Demon Hunter one fo these days.
meager warren
their culture revels in death, not shadow
sharp bluff
Zan pallys will happen
tropic trail
causes pain, but not actual harm
olive mirage
being an undead tank with a paladin healer is causing them great pain
terse patrol
If Alliance gets High Elves, I could imagine them getting druids. I can imagine the Belf rage.
olive mirage
like, the one holy undead NPC, catches on fire when channeling light
stoic vortex
Zan pallies are a pipe dream Zep
humble sun
If undead can't be paladins because of the light, then why can they be holy priests?
olive mirage
lore wise, all undead priests are shadow priests
sharp bluff
If that is true, so are KT druids
stoic vortex
False.
meager warren
there's a undead paladin in naxxramas, i think it is.
one of the horsemen
humble sun
The lore should be more represented in class selection, and spec selection then.
tropic trail
not true, all the ones with the argent crusade are holy/disc
terse patrol
Alonsus Faol.
sharp bluff
Blizzard will give an allied class for all classes on each side except DK and DH
humble sun
You mean burns himself undead.
olive mirage
yeah that guy
humble sun
Or redead.
olive mirage
i mean, DK dark iron dwarves are possible
humble sun
Dark Iron Druids.
stoic vortex
Zep, you'll get a pally class that makes sense, Zan pallies don't.
meager warren
anything's possible.
but apparently just letting a couple classes stagnate is the best option going forward
humble sun
There's a difference.
olive mirage
and it looks terrible cause its an old model
stoic vortex
LUL
olive mirage
you mean the zandalari paladins in those old zones?
stoic vortex
As NPCs.
humble sun
I take everytihng data mined with a lethal helping of salt.
meager warren
they can even introduce new races to the DH class without breaking lore
olive mirage
demon hunter pandas
tropic trail
not really, DH are strictly nelfs and belfs
humble sun
Gnome Demon Hunters.
stoic vortex
Demo
olive mirage
i mean, we have data mined druid forms for them
stoic vortex
DH Draenei>All
meager warren
have you not heard of the possibility of their teaching other races to be DH?
olive mirage
the troll paladin NPCs are just that, NPCs
sharp bluff
Oh? And we have had totems for npc shamans for how long?
humble sun
Aren't NPCs representative of the lore though?
sharp bluff
Hmmm
meager warren
they're representative of the past
sharp bluff
Their will be Zan pallys for players, can quote me on it, unless you think the new horde pally will be high mountain?
meager warren
if an event in the future happens, no matter what it is, it cannot contradict old lore if it follows rules.
there are no rules that only elves can be DH set by Bliz
olive mirage
and according to the data mined dialogue, the few zandalari paladins that exist, theyve all lost their power so more more could be created
olive mirage
"Zandalari Paladins are no more, as they've lost their connection to Rezan. Those who still have power are even suspect."
terse patrol
I think DHs require a strong connection to magic.
meager warren
they've lost their connection to Rezan yes.
but they haven't lost their capabilities
also
stoic vortex
Honk, like Draenei?
meager warren
they can teach themselves. go the Kul'tirasian human route
olive mirage
and with no connection, how can you get more people with power?
meager warren
how is that an issue
terse patrol
It isnt but
olive mirage
i thought demon hunters required them to consume an actual demon soul
stoic vortex
E R E D A R D H
meager warren
exactly
terse patrol
Velen wouldn’t let them in.
sharp bluff
Whatever still calling it, zandalari Paladins will happen, the loa will return
terse patrol
Eredar would have to be Horde imo.
meager warren
Velen can go fuck himself
terse patrol
Lead by Velens son or something.
stoic vortex
Velens son ded
terse patrol
He died on Azeroth.
olive mirage
i just want worgen druids to have pack form instead of cat form 
they are already worgen
rigid furnace
As out of left field as it would be I could see them giving Mainland Pandas DHs, because pretty much being neutral meant they got all sorts of abused and assaulted by the hand of the Legion. Plus it'd mean making new DH models for one race for both factions and not two.
terse patrol
They can easily say he reformed in the Nether.
tropic trail
Blizz is super inconsistent when demons are and aren't really dead
since velen isn't looking for his son, we can assume he's dead dead.
olive mirage
if you kill a demon in the twisting nether or on their home planet, they are dead
terse patrol
Which is dumb
terse patrol
thats not how it works dude
Explain Varimathras then.
Or Mal’ganis.
Or freakin’ Lord Banehollow or whatever.
sharp bluff
Don’t get me wrong I would love panda DH, but that is as about as slim as us getting warlock Highmountain, which would make lore sense if some bloodtotem rejoined them
olive mirage
A demon is fundamentally a creature whose soul is bound to the Twisting Nether, and as such returns to that plane upon death. They can be truly killed only inside the Twisting Nether, or in places where its chaotic energies leak.
stoic vortex
Or Lothrimaxras
terse patrol
Demons who die on Azeroth reform in the Nether.
olive mirage
In World of Warcraft: Illidan, Illidan stated that Argus was so satured with fel that a demon's death there was permanent. Illidan also said that Argus is situated on the brink between the Nether and the Great Dark.
meager warren
i think if they give us Troll DHs, that'd be making it available for both Troll races since they both share the same model
stoic vortex
Leeroy Jenkins Allied Race DHs when?
meager warren
as soon as assholes stop crying "it'll break the lore!"
stoic vortex
:LUL:
olive mirage
and what about varimathras?
stoic vortex
fuck that dude
olive mirage
his only death is in antorus
stoic vortex
Why do you think they were torturing him? LUL
olive mirage
not having the emote
stoic vortex
Fuck off I don't have Nitro
meager warren
^
terse patrol
meager warren
wtf is that
olive mirage
terse patrol
wild moss
stoic vortex
What the actual fuck
olive mirage
meager warren
:stoppls:
terse patrol
meager warren
:Kek:
stoic vortex
Kek and Bur emotes when?
olive mirage
meager warren
^
wild moss
Anyways, was Varimathras actually killed in WotLK, the wowpedia mentions only being defeated which doesn't necessarily mean killed. 🤔 i don't remember Battle for Undercity too much tbph.
stoic vortex
We need to ask Blizz for Kek and Bur voice emotes