find the previous build with the supposed same numbered follower?
#beta-ptr-spoilers
hollow dock
tulip sun
Ya
languid yoke
nah greymane is qt
uncut vault
cant find voss because she vanishes after the first quest
ruby star
Twitter
tulip sun
π
ruby star
Wait Warfronts are out for testing?
ruby star
doe anyone in alpha know if this is true, that warfronts are now avabile for testing officially? π
uncut vault
they arent
ruby star
ah not sure why Towelliee said warfronts tonight then
pliant chasm
I when I logged in I got a pop up to do battle for lordaron
pliant chasm
jw anyone doing raid testing?
dense plover
i think its over now
also
lots of the left coast of voldun were trimmed
just the big rocky outcroppings
granite flame
omg if i missed raid testing im gonna be upset
pliant chasm
no it dosent start till 3 PST unless they changed the time
granite flame
damn
pliant chasm
Zekβvoz, Herald of Nβzoth - Heroic Uldir
13:00 PDT (16:00 EDT, 22:00 CEST)
uncut vault
yeah thats 1pm PST
dense plover
also
granite flame
what's up next?
dense plover
seems like torga's shell and skin were darkened and made more dead
and the big temple in nazmir, the one with the naga
has been weathered and now has broken bits and stuff
tulip sun
That was quick
dense plover
the left side of zuldazar docks, right before xibala has had a bit of a rework
dense plover
not gonna happen
strange falcon
well,i think blizz was undecided on if to make snakes or turtles for the alliance
and waited for the feedback
and is now making snakes,
because in this build the snakes got the "looking at hand where supposedly the heart of azeroth should be",and that animation is player-only and all playable races(and allied races) have it,even vulpera
ruby star
8.0 - DID - Mag'har
8.1 Zand'alar - Kul'tiran
8.2 race - race
8.3 race - race
Maybe we'll get more allied races in 8.2 or 8.3
dense plover
unlikely
thats a lot of races
also
seems like the next two dungeons will be waycrest and sethrakk
they are both pretty much done structure-wise
strange falcon
well the allied races website,in the final section with the 4 confirmed allied races,it says "you will find many allies etc etc INCLUDING DID,kultirans,zand,mag'har"
including means they are not the only ones,
dense plover
big map tweak in KT
the northernmost mountain range had the left quarter removed
it didnt have anything interesting, so it makes sense
it was essentially just empty terrain
hollow dock
Well yea dafire we know they aren't the only ones
but there'snothing stating it has to come RIGHT NOW in EVERY SINGLE PATCH
that's a bit much
uncut vault
thats a good change, was just random extra mountain that served no purpose
meager warren
no purpose? they could put WQs there, rares, pets, gathering supplies, etc there
sharp bluff
So are we seeing Org getting an actual harbor soon?
dense plover
infact
hollow dock
they just pushed all of that to the side. that's weird.
meager warren
or gasp they could make it interesting geography wise
ruby star
Question, what was the datamined races bit for?
uncut vault
as long as they dont remove jainas boat from the sound, im good with that change
uncut vault
still got the piss river
meager warren
what's the difference
hollow dock
that looks like everything got moved over a bit.
ruby star
@dense plover Do you have an idea on what the datamined races area is on WoWhead?
rich apex
There's no -clear- indications of new races beyond the announced four
Possible, yes
But no datamined racial mounts, achievements, etc
hollow dock
but hyper
ruby star
I meant the bit with teh long race list
dense plover
hmmm
cool?
not sure if accurate
voice chat is in though
blue post just went up
ruby star
Yeah, they might not of made the blue Warfront post yet
uncut vault
Where do you test them?
ruby star
Not sure, I am not on alpha so I have no idea
however Towelliee says they are up for testing officially, guess the blue post is not up yet or something
but then again tehy might not
just going off what i was told
@uncut vault try taking a look in Arthi Highlands? on horde or alliance or both, then try the new city hubs? but not sure
uncut vault
I mean did you see if toweliee is doing it?
ruby star
no, I saw his tweet which said https://twitter.com/towelthetank/status/984908397488361472
Twitter
tehn I asked him and he replied yes
uncut vault
Can you ask where they were confirmed as being opened today?
ruby star
@uncut vault asked
dense plover
towelliee is bad at wow
he is a bad streamer for alpha
for regular wow its less bad
meager warren
towelliee is bad at everything
dense plover
also, warfront testing might not be official
but they clearly arent kicking people
apparently they enabled 120
so its very likely beta is next week
tulip sun
Hmph
A whole part of undercity defended by the darkspear
Does each race defend a part?
and they even have their own ballistas xD
hollow dock
its about time they re-used those assets from SoO
meager warren
re-used?
what are they reusing?
hollow dock
Look at Khamnins words right before mine
meager warren
undercity?
wat
hollow dock
man you have selective reading
: A whole part of undercity defended by the darkspear
meager warren
yes i do
i'm still lost
hollow dock
[6:32 PM] Khamnin: Hmph [6:32 PM] Khamnin: A whole part of undercity defended by the darkspear [6:32 PM] Khamnin: Does each race defend a part? [6:32 PM] Khamnin: and they even have their own ballistas xD how do you miss this
its right there. You dont even have to scroll up for it
meager warren
darkspear in undercity is a new asset?
is that what you're saying?
hollow dock
***and they even have their own ballistas xD***
ruby star
@dense plover hopefully beta next week! π our chances of getting in would be way much higher them alpha
tulip sun
Lor'themar & Nathanos vs Genn & Anduin
Would have hoped Anduin took Alleria to deal with Lor'themar
meager warren
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/8c1z3z/hippo_mounts_war_hippo_mounts/
6/10 not fat enough
tulip sun
Wow
I can't wait to see those cinematics
Sylvanas, Anduin, Genn, Jaina, and Alleria all in the same room
What could go wrong
I wonder if any horde leaders are also thefe
There
meager warren
as far as i remember, Sylvanas is a Horde leader
tulip sun
You know what i mean
Other horde leaders
Now i feel confisdent those two cinematic moments in the release announcement trailer are from that
dense plover
"We're getting ready to begin our first round of public testing for the new Warfronts feature in Battle for Azeroth, and we'll need your help!
On Tuesday, April 17, starting at 1 PM Pacific time (4 PM Eastern, 10 PM CEST), we'll be enabling the first Warfront for testing. To participate, you'll need to be on a Horde character and head to Zuldazar City, where you'll find a small table you can click on and join the Warfront queue.
We'll be running this test for about 3 hours, and will be watching and participating ourselves, so we hope to see you there!"
posted 17 min ago
so no, they arent actually open yet
and that also means we probably wont see a tuesday build next week
maybe wednesday or thursday
misty blaze
i hope i get invited to b eta
gaunt helm
@dense plover Is this PTR?
dense plover
no
hollow dock
this is the BFA-BETA-SPOILERS chat. Not the PTR chat.
rich apex
PTR machine broke
hollow dock
Understandable have a nice day
tulip sun
I am sad we are getting vicious war hippos instead of like
A vicious war talbuk(infused with light, lightforged theme) or some void vicious war mount for sendorei
meager warren
why not vicious war hippo that's light-themed?
Lightforged hippo or something
tulip sun
Yes, becayse our draenei would ride hippos all the time on argus
rich apex
Because someone decided to do a hippo
tropic trail
I'd do a hippo
tulip sun
I like them for rp
Armored racial themed mounts
But ya, hopefully eventually they add the other themed allied race ones
meager warren
i'd ride a lightforged hippo.
rood
tulip sun
Vivious Moose, Vicious Nightsaber, Vicious Talbuk(Lightforged), Vicious..
Erm, shadow thijg for velves
A zandalari vicious like direhorn, trex or bronto would be...magnificent
tulip sun
OH MY
I told you nothing good happens when all those canons enter a room together
Anduin gives her a chance to surrender and shes BLOWS IT UP
rich apex
Tandred Proudmoore: That bloke in the red shirt over there told me I "wasn't canon." Well, obviously! I'm a mariner, not a cannon!
π
sudden oak
so saurfang is angry because Sylvanas decides to blow up the city with the blight
rich apex
Pretty much
To be fair, it -was- super effective
Aside from losing the city, anyways
But, you know, it's only honorable to crush someone's skull to jelly
Someone who is half your size
rich apex
Warrior honor is always wonky and contradictory
terse patrol
Also, Lillian Voss is doing stuff.
Though, they make her seem nicer than most Forsakeb.
Forsaken*
I still think theyβre prepping her to lead eventually.
vocal sparrow
Lillian seems OOC in this
She's explcitly not with the Forsaken
The fact that she suddenly is kinda ruins her whole story
Also, that's boring. What's really intersting is that Jaina's other brother is canon again
I found some stuff while digging around that according to the RPG, Tandred has a "ladyfreind" named Mishan Waycrest
rich apex
She never says she -isn't- with the FOrsaken
sudden oak
she went to deal with her personal grudge with the scarlet crusade
and the scourge in andorhal
vocal sparrow
She has the people in the Rogue Class hall
sudden oak
the people in the rogue hall are not forsaken
they do not share a common bond
none of them can understand what being forsaken is
tropic trail
shes worked with the alliance a lot, as well as the horde
there really aren't any major neutral forsaken
they should've kept her neutral
sudden oak
when did she work with the alliance?
the only alliance place she appears is the alliance inn in the draenor garrison
and she rejected the forsaken because she had a grudge to deal with
against the scarlet crusade and evil necromancers
after that she is not lore important until legion when she becomes a horde only follower
rich apex
She works with Alliance because she hates the Scarlet Crusade more
sudden oak
I dont really count giving the quests in the dungeons tbh
rich apex
It counts, I think
But it's not a -defining- characteristic
All those Lightforged NPCs were neutral too π
sudden oak
since the alliance shouldnt have access to the place in lore
rich apex
And Nightborne
sudden oak
she gives quests because its a gameplay thing
sudden oak
that too
rich apex
And basically tricks you into killing them all for her
And giving her a couple of runeblades
sudden oak
she was never true neutral she just had stuff to deal with before going back to her people
tulip sun
That tidesage is awesome
sudden oak
Lillian Voss was nerver true neutral
Change my mind 
tulip sun
Willingly becoming forsaken to help his family
sudden oak
indeed
rich apex
And it has to be Lillian because she isn't just blindly loyal to Sylvie like Nathan is
And understands that it's a curse, but there's also a bond between the Forsaken
Nathan doesn't give a shit about anything but Sylvie
And there's like...no other Forsaken characters
So
sudden oak
I have never liked nathanos
rich apex
I like his dynamic with Sylvie
Having a bond that transcends death, morality, and healthy emotional relationships
sudden oak
he treats everyone like trash except sylvanas
tulip sun
You can tell sylvanas cares for him
Did you read the datamined text?
She walks away after giving an order, but hesitates and turns and says like
Be safe or something, i forget words
sudden oak
where?
rich apex
I am 100% for Sylvie and Nathan's super messed up, clingy af relationship
vocal sparrow
There are other forsaken, just none are fleshed out. There was that one lady who helps you in Stormheim
tulip sun
Read newest datamined text
rich apex
Remember that Sylvie sacrificed one of her precious few val'kyr for Nathan
To make sure he wouldn't rot away
And be with her forever
vocal sparrow
(One of Slyvanas's dark rangers basically spells out it was because she was in love with him while she was alive)
tulip sun
We have 2 forsaken followers as well, then nathanos is involved. They be getting love
rich apex
Still a decent price
sudden oak
"alive"
rich apex
For someone who is accused of not caring about anyone but herself
vocal sparrow
And it's left over attachment in undeath
sudden oak
she cared for other people even before that
just look at silvermoon
and how she wanted to help her people
vocal sparrow
She's kept him by her side forever. And he's too thick too pick up on it. She fought to get him to join the Elven rangers despite being human. She went out of her way to find him among the scourge, she went out of her way to help him restore his body
Yeah, she had something for him
rich apex
That's what makes them interesting
It's not like either of them are really capable of love anymore
But they remember enough of what they once had
vocal sparrow
Slyvanas kinda is? She still loves her sisters
rich apex
To have an awkward, mildly obessive, super unhealthy attachment
tulip sun
Somrthing goes down with their little meeting obviously
If Alleria sieges her capitol with the alliance in order to kill her
sudden oak
also nathanos has beef with alleria
vocal sparrow
There's also that whole thing with Veressa back in the MoP novels
sudden oak
you can see it in the scenario of battle for lordaeron
tulip sun
Ya
vocal sparrow
(SHort version: Verresa agrees to join the horde and move to Undercity, and Slyvanas plots behind her back planning on turning her into a forsaken. But Veeresa has second thoughts and turns down the offer because of her kids, knowing they wouldn't do well in Undercity due to being living children and she couldn't abandon them. This pisses Slyvanas off so much she goes on a hunting trip and murders everything while declareing she'll never love again)
rich apex
I really like the implication of the Teldrassil art
dense plover
hot damn
dense plover
the spicy horde text from stormsong
rich apex
Presumably because Vereesa asked her
dense plover
holy shit
rich apex
Link please
dense plover
wowhead
tulip sun
Stormsong?
dense plover
theres this horde storyline
of a man choosing to be forsaken
so he can support his family
rich apex
Which post as the Stormsong text?
rich apex
Yeeees
dense plover
but its sad
rich apex
π
dense plover
i almost cried
rich apex
Fucked up Forsaken feelings is my jam
dense plover
with the VO, if done right, i might
its extremely well written
this has Golden written all over it
rich apex
It will be nice to actually see -positive- Forsaken stuff
In a horrific, messed up way
vocal sparrow
She's not a forsaken
tulip sun
Here we go
rich apex
Well she is now
sudden oak
does that mean that sylvanas just wants to have a big family? 
rich apex
Because that kind of conversation couldn't have been had with Nathan
terse patrol
tbh iβm expecting for that guys family to get merced by sylvanas either way
rich apex
And probably not Sylvanas
Yeah, there is still a good chance Sylvie ruins everything
rip
vocal sparrow
No, she expictly rejected them. Did you not do any quests invovling her?
dense plover
people change
rich apex
That
vocal sparrow
Yes, and my point is this is a dumb retcon causing her to lose her depth and uniqueness
terse patrol
I think they plan for Lillian to take a leadership role. She even mentioned honor.
dense plover
its been 3 years since cata
rich apex
She didn't exactly have much of a character before
terse patrol
After Sylvanas talked shit about honor
rich apex
beyond 'i hate the scarlets'
vocal sparrow
She also hates the undead in general
sudden oak
as I said she rejects because she has beef with the scarlet crusade and necromancers after that she is free to do whatever she wants
vocal sparrow
Which is why she went after the scourge
dense plover
she says she hates being forsaken
tulip sun
It has been years
rich apex
And then she's stuck as an undead
terse patrol
Hereβs hoping Blizzard has Alonsus Faol go Alliance.
rich apex
And the only people who truly accept undead
terse patrol
If they dont
rich apex
are Forasken
terse patrol
Iβll be mad
rich apex
Ha
vocal sparrow
She can kill herself
dense plover
forsaken know the awful thats awaiting them
vocal sparrow
When we last saw her in MoP she told players to "Leave [her] here to die"
tulip sun
She works for the big lady upstairs now
rich apex
And then she clearly got back to it after that
terse patrol
Alonsus Faol was hiding Calia Menethil from Sylvanas. Heβd never go Horde.
dense plover
alonsus faol will probably not even show up in BfA
sudden oak
yeah because she thought she was going to die there for her wounds
vocal sparrow
But because she was popular, she returned in legion as part of an expcitly neutral orginazation
rich apex
What Peach said
sudden oak
guess what
terse patrol
Alonsus Faol is the most honored holy figure for the Alliance dude
sudden oak
she didnt
terse patrol
I doubt him being Forsaken would matter
rich apex
You have to choose the side that your race already chose π
They're not gonna mix the thematics by having an Alliance undead
vocal sparrow
No you don't. She could have joined any number of neutral groups
rich apex
in BFA you do
vocal sparrow
The Argent Crusade would gladly take her
terse patrol
I could see Alonsus Faol taking the place of Archbishop Benedictus.
rich apex
The Argent Crusade isn't in BFA
sudden oak
Id say alonsus will stay true neutral
terse patrol
btw, we have yet to receive a new Archbishop.
rich apex
My paladin would have an aneurysm
sudden oak
and maybe wage another secret war
terse patrol
@rich apex you mean heβd be upset over the guy who literally created Azerothian paladins?
terse patrol
uhm
terse patrol
Except he uses holy magic
rich apex
And she'd be judging him completely unfairly π
Characters are biased and petty
And uh
She used to be a Scarlet
terse patrol
I think Anduin would let him back in.
sudden oak
what neutral group with a large quantity of undead could voss join?
sudden oak
the ebon blade?
rich apex
They're not gonna make a Forsaken (even if he technically isn't one) a major Alliance character
terse patrol
Heβs too important and influential a figure in the Church of the Holy Light.
rich apex
Race and faction are awkwardly too tied together
Regardless of character motivation
They -could- change that
BUt
I really don't see it
terse patrol
points to Renzik the Shiv
terse patrol
yes
vocal sparrow
Also, only Bligewater Goblins are horde
terse patrol
And Alonsus is all the way back from the Second War.
sudden oak
also as voss says even if they dont hate him "Those that don't shun you will never treat you the same again."
vocal sparrow
Every other goblin is explictly neutral
terse patrol
I think Alonsus understands heβd never be treated the same again.
the Alliance needs a new religious leader either way
vocal sparrow
Also, the people in the church in stormwind are jerks
Have you ever gone in there as a Void Elf?
sudden oak
they could make anduin the new religious leader
rich apex
Brother Sarno
sudden oak
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
terse patrol
I mean, Velen could be the new religious leader
vocal sparrow
(To be fair, my main is a Void Elf warlock. He'd sooner set the church on fire then go in)
rich apex
Brother Sarno literally kinkshames the void elves
rich apex
Sarno: i don't want to uh...judge someone...with your life choices....
It would be amusing, yes
terse patrol
And showering them in kindness and blessings when people are mean to him.
terse patrol
scarlet RPers reeeeeee outside the Cathedral
sudden oak
at least it would make more sense than saurfang going alliance
rich apex
haw
terse patrol
tbh
tulip sun
Four new troop types were added to garrisons, alongside the dark ranger follower
terse patrol
let them
rich apex
saurfang and faol join the only HONORABLE faction
terse patrol
The Crusade is dead 
terse patrol
The last bastion of them
sudden oak
the ideals of the scarlet crusade yes
sudden oak
but their former members are in the conclave now
terse patrol
Iβm disappointed
terse patrol
I wish they had them be redeemed as an organization
rich apex
But it doesn't seem like you kill -all- of them
terse patrol
Rather than a band of priests
rich apex
The way the DKs surely do at the Monastery
tulip sun
So is it confirmed now Sylvanas can raise any race now? Or just as mindless thralls
meager warren
technically, any race raises is going to be mindless
sudden oak
but wasnt that with the power of the lich king?
tulip sun
Free willed i mean
vocal sparrow
Loth'mar has expictly forbid Slyvanas from raising Blood Elves, but given she's now Warcheif and thus his boss, we'll see how long that lasts
terse patrol
New Forsaken lack free will, they feel a compulsion to serve Sylvanas. They can later be given free will with stronger magic.
See: Warcraft Traveler, which is canon.
sudden oak
where did you find that btw?
tropic trail
wait, so i was right in theorizing that forsaken don't have free will?
vocal sparrow
basically Slyvanas is a Liar given what Cata told us
tropic trail
or half right
terse patrol
Yes.
sudden oak
mind finding a quote or a pic of it?
desert totem
half right, at least as far as the game is concerned there are some who are just too far gone and are useless
terse patrol
Look it up, Iβm not scanning my book.
desert totem
tehre are others who are raised, given a choice, serve Sylvanas or don't.. most just choose to serve
tropic trail
but like in silverpine, why were the forsaken she raised in front of garrosh instantly loyal?
desert totem
but that very choice means they have free will to choose
terse patrol
Thats why
New Forsaken are instantly loyal because they lack free will.
Only those who the Valβkyr believe will be truly loyal are given back their will.
This requires stronger magic.
tropic trail
Some magic users can gain free will on their own tho
terse patrol
Theyβre not mindless. They just lack an ability to disobey.
tropic trail
like that one necro in vanilla
who thought all other forsaken were still in league with the LK
terse patrol
That matters only for Scourge undead.
tropic trail
I don't think it would be any different
terse patrol
Valβkyr magic is different.
tropic trail
the LK used val'kyr tho
terse patrol
Since they enslaved the Kirin Tor mages in Silverpine.
LK had no Valβkyr during the Third War.
sudden oak
as far as I know it was canon that the people who died in traumatic experiences or under a lot of stress are not in their full mental capabilities
meager warren
i think it's more like, the more intellectually capable/stronger than others, the more likely you are to have free will as an undead
could be wrong
sudden oak
also if im not mistaken ner zhul made the val'kyr
terse patrol
Warcraft Traveler also says
Sylvanas only allows those who served her loyally to leave the Forsaken.
tropic trail
has she let anyone leave?
terse patrol
Doesnβt say.
sudden oak
yeah those
terse patrol
I think they mean like, Forsaken joining Steamwheedle and neutral factions.
meager warren
Lillian Voss left the forsaken in the forsaken starter area.
And the rotbrain guy
terse patrol
I mean
Forsaken who have free will can flee
But itβs against Sylvanasβ will.
and tbh
Lets be real
The βAlliance wonβt let Alonsus in due to Forsakenβ excuse is null at this point.
points at Death Knights
tropic trail
and demon hunters, and warlocks and void elves
terse patrol
Heyyyy, hello undead knights who were known for being literal Scourge generals.
Rather than
tropic trail
dark magic doesn't really seem to phase the alliance anymore
tropic trail
thought uther was the most holy human ever
terse patrol
Debatable.
meager warren
i thought manduin was
tropic trail
fair enough
terse patrol
He also trained Turalyon
tropic trail
we could also argue that turalyon is more holy tho
tropic trail
since he was lightforged
terse patrol
Turalyon is the most powerful paladin now yes
meager warren
Wasn't Alonsus the reason for the death knights getting their free will?
tropic trail
until anduin 1ups him
terse patrol
idk if he was or not
tropic trail
I don't think how they got their free will back is ever really explained
meager warren
if he was, i'd say he's more holy
terse patrol
Either way
meager warren
QUESTIONS TO ASK
vocal sparrow
It has somethign to do with Light's Hope chapel more then anything
tropic trail
they just kinda get their asses kicked by tirion and then he tells them to go be good guys again
terse patrol
He protected the literal heir to Lordaeron.
The Alliance would be INSANE not to let him back in.
vocal sparrow
She's forfited her claim to the throne though
meager warren
Light's hope is just a church tho, right?
tropic trail
I haven't done the paladin order hall, but it seems to be a lot more than just a church now
terse patrol
They removed that from the game.
meager warren
it was just a church
terse patrol
She said she renounced her claim only in the BETA of Legion.
It was removed for Live.
So
I imagine Alonsus and Calia will be working to restore Lordaeron.
tropic trail
"new allied race, lordaeronian"
terse patrol
nooo
rich apex
Calia's not coming back fam
terse patrol
why isnt she coming back
vocal sparrow
Ah. It appears it was. Her click quote still says "It's just Calia now."
terse patrol
She was brought back in Legion for a reason
vocal sparrow
I doubt that
terse patrol
. . .
vocal sparrow
I doubt they brought her back with any plans for her going forwards at least with the kingom of Loderon
terse patrol
Youβre saying she was brought back for no reason, before an expansion which leads to the Alliance retaking Lordaeron.
vocal sparrow
Yes
rich apex
Calia was brought back to answer 'what happened to calia'
After 20 years of asking
Give or take
terse patrol
totally
rich apex
They're not going to overhaul Lordaeron tho
terse patrol
Bring back the Archbishop of Lordaeron, and the heir to Lordaeronβs throne.
Retake Lordaeron.
But nah
They wonβt be used.
rich apex
They already overhauled the old world once
tropic trail
is she in the siege of lordaeron scenario?
vocal sparrow
They have stated Undercity and Teldrassil are going to be phased for 110+
tropic trail
if she's not in that, then she probably won't do much
rich apex
Phased into empty wastelands that they made for the scenario
Which is a nice Permanent Consequence
meager warren
and you know that they're not gonna do it again, how?
tropic trail
because they've said how difficult and stressful it was
remake literally half of your game is insane
at the time half
and still providing new content
vocal sparrow
They're going to be using phasing from now on
meager warren
i bet BfA's world-expansions aren't any better
vocal sparrow
The old world will change when it becomes plot relevant
tropic trail
They need to do revamps in bits and pieces as things are changing, like lordaeron and teldrassil, not all at once like cata
terse patrol
They remade Stromgarde
vocal sparrow
And will phase to it. Like they did in half a dozen other places s
rich apex
As TimeSage said
Plot relevance
And gameplay relevance
Blizz doesn't devote dev time to zone building if it's not part of gameplay
sudden oak
this is the only forsaken related thing I could find in traveler https://wow.gamepedia.com/Reigol_Valdread#History
river dirge
If they make snake people real I will be so happy.
strange falcon
https://youtu.be/-NKfr8wZKBk https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/420341918866604063/434588764946300928/SethArtOff25.gif @river dirge @uncut vault
^this animation is speculated to be the "looking at heart of azeroth" animation,and all playable races have it,including allied races and even vulpera
tropic trail
Omg that scared me, I should've turned the volume down ;_;
uncut vault
ooh I like the tongue on the second one
strange falcon
their idle animation also has the tongue flick π
ruby star
@rich apex it is very highly likely not Veersa anymore, which is good
eternal maple
Magni is has a quest available in the inn at Tradewinds Market for one of my Ally chars but not for the others, do anyone know what triggers his quest?
strange falcon
i can confirm that magni gives a quest to my character that's lvl 110,but created before this week's alpha build,while he has no quest for my 110 created after yesterdays alpha build,and my 119,
the quest gives you the artifact neck
eternal maple
edit: It seems like it is available on all chars I made before the patch, but they already have the heart of azeroth so I can't complete his quest..
strange falcon
yup^
eternal maple
when you make a new char he/she won't have the heart of azeroth but you don't have the quest either, I haven't tried to complete the scenario first though
strange falcon
i think you are supposed to complete the intro scenario,as there is an achievement NOW for completing the scenario
but i dont know where to start it
eternal maple
I was referring to the new scenario with undercity, do you mean the regular start of the wound of azeroth kinda deal?
strange falcon
the lordaeron thing
is the prepatch
the intro scenario is when you arrive on zandalar
mint arch
"The Horde is worth saving" -She said as she killed the Horde who died defending her city, which she then blows up, after the fact she destroyed the night elf capital despite knowing that Lordaeron is the closest target the Alliance could get to which was why she was opposed to the Theramore Bombing back in MoP.
Sylvanas in Blizzard devs head: "I'm not evil. I just want to protect my people. I'm also clever and charismatic and everybody loves me. Teehee."
Sylvanas in-game: "DIE DIE EVERYBODY DIE AHAHAHAHA DIE!"
yaaaaaaaa
toooootally not evil sylvanas fans
π
uncut vault
thats not a biased and factually ignorant sentiment at all
sudden oak
did we say that?
uncut vault
she's not a good person, but she cares about her people
uncut vault
if her internal monologue and her saying that she wants their salvation werent enough to show that, I dunno what is
mint arch
i can give u she cares for the undead, cause thats the thing keeping her alive
sure
but that doesnt mean much
she is a terrible warchief , an absolutely dumb plan to "separate by seas", and even if the plan made some sense, going about it in the worst anti-horde way possible
sudden oak
she is a terrible warchief? she is the only warchief that did stuff to keep the horde alive and wanting it to thrive since cata garrosh
uncut vault
I mean so far she's managed to gain the respect of leaders and expand horde territory better than any warchief since thrall.
tranquil steeple
On one hand, I can see where you're coming from by being a terrible warchief with what we've seen so far, but then again... we've really only barely had her as our warchief, compared to Thrall or Garrosh (despite the latter becoming powerhungry)
mint arch
^
this is the thing
we've seen bad from her
if blizzard are gonna do another "redemption" shit like illidan
like...
-_-
uncut vault
she's been leader for a year or two and gained four allies, two island continents, and a zandalari fleet as of BfA
cant say that for voljin or garrosh
tranquil steeple
Tbh I don't think Illidan's story is much of a redemption, but rather a clarification
tranquil steeple
Since we've only seen him as a dude who's building up an army
uncut vault
Where did I say by herself?
mint arch
ur acting like she was like: "hey i have a list of possible allies, go get em"
tranquil steeple
Isn't that what happened with the Nightborne and Highmountain Tauren...?
mint arch
no, the allied races had people in the horde tht they connected with
and then came to the embassy and joined the horde
its the same shit for alliance
u can have any warchief or king
uncut vault
that doesnt discount the fact that sylvanas is the one doing it.
tranquil steeple
Because we helped them during the expansion, now moving to BfA we're helping the Zandalari.. and recruiting them to the horde the same way we did in Legion with the other two.
mint arch
^
we are
or some chars is
yup
sylvanas/anduin
are just there to say, "welcome"
if voljin was alive
he'd do same shit
tranquil steeple
I'd rather have it like that, than "here, these guys joined us... do stuff"
mint arch
doesnt matter who was in charge lore wise
uncut vault
if you discount the fact that nathanos is personally sent to and is involved in the entire zandalar story π€· she's still the warchief bringing in loyal allies, it's more than the other two not-thralls can say
sudden oak
also thrall is the one who had the bright idea of founding orgrimmar in a goddamn desert :^)
tranquil steeple
There's also the part where we (the player) is part of the faction helping and recruiting new people to said faction, and not solely to the leader(s) of the faction.
sudden oak
with no resources as "attonemet"
mint arch
and w/e, sure, sylvanas is not dumb to reject new allies, big woop
uncut vault
you guys can have hate boners for Sylvanas all you want, doesn't mean she's the epitome of evil. She does bad shit for the sake of her people. That used to be the forsaken, now it's the Horde.
She says as much at Lordaeron
mint arch
LOL, what she says
and her actions
quite different
an evil person can say "im doing this for my people"
doesnt mean shit
xD
sudden oak
yeah but what she does benefits her people
uncut vault
what actions arent for the horde? So far she's fucked the alliance, Horde's doing just fine
mint arch
hey, i just nuked this city FOR MY PPL = its allllright
tranquil steeple
Any person can say that, regardless of if they are good or bad, since it varies depending on the point of view of other people.
sudden oak
yeah let the enemy faction keep a city
uncut vault
yeah nuked the city being overrun by alliance, alongside all her people
sudden oak
what could happen
sudden oak
nuking the enemy capital perfectly at your doorstep?
that can be used as a port
to attack you
uncut vault
a) we dont have full details on it yet, b) destroying the largest alliance outpost in Kalimdor doesnt hurt the horde at all
sudden oak
what evil mastermind could think of doing that
mint arch
defending nuking, cool~
uncut vault
"She does bad shit for the sake of her people." is what I said
its a horrible act, but it isn't anti-horde or for the annihilation of the world as you claim it to be
mint arch
she does bad shit = she is bad, the reasons don't excuse the acts
and it is definitely anti-horde, i dont remember a horde leader who nuked, destroyed shit... oh wait
uncut vault
anduin's evil then. sending in his troops to kill innocent forsaken
uncut vault
did Sylvanas nuke horde outposts?
mint arch
and anduin aint nuking shit
uncut vault
I didnt know the horde owned teldrassil
mint arch
we've seen alliance just be on defense in this war
tranquil steeple
Clearly assaulting Undercity is defense.
uncut vault
please tell me how sylvanas taking out the biggest Alliance outpost in Kalimdor hurts the horde, please indulge me
sudden oak
so attacking lordaeron is defense?
mint arch
by defense i mean they are reacting to horde's offense
we know teldrassil happens
then lord
uncut vault
thats retaliation, not defense
mint arch
my bad on word choice
sudden oak
thats not defense
mint arch
retaliation is better word
uncut vault
Still havent answered how Sylvanas claiming most of Kalimdor for the Horde hurts the Horde. Alliance retaliating against the Horde isnt Sylvanas hurting the horde
mint arch
i never said it hurts the horde, ive said its anti-horde in the way she's going about it
yes taking out alliance outpost is good in a war
uncut vault
Not sure how expanding the Horde's forces and territory is anti-horde.
mint arch
winning againsst alliance = good for horde, thats always true
i see, ur only viewpoint is fck how things happen, as long as u win
uncut vault
No, that's sylvanas'
mint arch
meh, then there's no argument to be had, u think the ends justify the means
uncut vault
as long as the horde survives, she doesnt care how
mint arch
ya, that's anti-anything
if a leader is going about caring for nothing, all for the goal of expanding territory
"ends justify the means" chars are usually
never good
uncut vault
but she isnt about expanding territory. In fact, Lordaeron shows her willing to lose and ruin territory for the sake of survival and victory.
mint arch
before she started this war, what exactly was the issue really?
apart from smaller scale skirmishes and shit between A and H
uncut vault
being an amoral leader =/= being a bad leader. Hordes pretty prosperous under her.
again, A) we dont have the full details on teldrassil, and B) just like taran zhu said, its just an endless cycle
mint arch
we know a lot now though but i agree with b)
and i dont agree with properous
its a war
sudden oak
that both horde and alliance where mining azerite and the first who knows how to make nukes with it wins
mint arch
its after the war u can claim to be prosperous for the faction
i doubt all the horde leaders and okay with the shit she's doing
saurfang of course we know
i doubt baine is on board
hell, are the nightborne gonne be okay?
how are civilians gonna feel about a war forced on em, and having to move
and all that
uncut vault
Baine and Lorthemar are very much on board in the scenario
mint arch
my point: u cant say horde is properous
uncut vault
Lorthemar is happy to help Nathanos, and is vehemently anti-Alliance with the void elves on their side
uncut vault
Baine provides tauren to pour out plague alongside the forsaken and goblins
mint arch
which makes no sense
sudden oak
Tauren dont care that much about warriors honor as the orcs
mint arch
honor is this big thing
uncut vault
theyre bringing up the old RPG lore into canon to justify the tauren
anti-night elf after land disputes for generations
sudden oak
honor is useless if you are dead
tranquil steeple
hope they atleast exclude Tauren Druids to be anti-nelf all of a sudden, iirc most of the druids are kinda working together, aren't they?
uncut vault
so far I've only seen tauren warriors on the alpha
tranquil steeple
I think Saurfang's age combined with his sense of honor has.. driven him a bit off course
Compared to the current horde
sudden oak
as hyper said before crushing someone half your size into jelly is honorable
using the blight is not
thats what saurfang thinks
mint arch
but he's objectively correct, it is not honorable in any way to use a chemical weapons against ur enemy
id argue honor is a part of what it means to being horde, even if its more an orc thing
honestly though, we have arguments and debates
blizzard writing is -_-
barren igloo
do u have to preorder bfa to try out its beta?
mint arch
hmm, i dont believe so
alpha is random and if ur a youtuber/twitch/family/friend or lucky
barren igloo
yeah one of my guildies who isnt one of the above got alpha access
he went to blizzcon though but i dunno if that counts
mint arch
lol, he got lucky i guess
mint arch
ahh our true lord nzoth
avoid the petty squabbling of these alliance and horde
come join the void :D
barren igloo
fatboss make a vid of this encounter yet?
mint arch
um, dont think so
tulip sun
I am watching the horde version of lordaeron
and it is great...
Renzik appears in Undercity with the SI:7, and Druids of the Claw save his ass.
Night elf druids going full out
Killing Undercity civilians
ruby star
Lightforged draeni not in the battle for lordaeron?
uncut vault
no but the AU draenei seem to be
hollow dock
Alternate universe
tulip sun
But I just finished watching it...gotta say say I like the horde side a bit more
hollow dock
Or AU for short.
tulip sun
I know what AU means, but where does he see them
I thought the Draenei were just normal draenei
I wish more noticeable horde figures appeared. Oh well, still an amazing scenario
Can't wait until the cinematics are released
uncut vault
the auchenai provide siege equipment
hollow dock
Oh yea, and our current Draenei abandoned the aunchenai practices. Unless thats been retconned.
tulip sun
Huh...
Didn't even notice that
Maybe it is an oversight? Similar to how in earlier builds, there were Rangari troops but they were removed.
hollow dock
Might be. As I can see those things being added in post-Maghar getting in. Or maybe even before as Sulvanas sees our draenei forces have gained a huge number of reinfircements and decides to do the same for her orcs.
tulip sun
I guess that is possible
Seems the Mag'har won't be available till a few quests in AT LEAST in the war campaign
What are those Pandaren up to? o.O
hollow dock
Looks like talking animations
But cuz its a screenshot it looks like something else
And yea Mag'har and DIDs will be available at the start as we go start to go through the campaign as a part of it
tulip sun
The npcs behind them with names are neutral though
And ones a human o.O
I wish i had alpha or someone that looked at all this lol
hollow dock
Oh theyre probably hired hands then.
Not much to look at. π€· just some hired hands
tulip sun
Will have to find a video of this.
tulip sun
Lots of pandaren there lol
hollow dock
I can make it squished if that is what you desire
tulip sun
Is that what rexxar looks like naked?
uncut vault
yeah, his model has an odd amount of extra work put into it
armor is actual armor, not grafted into the model
hollow dock
Clearly since were saying Vulpera are a confirmed one for the same reasons
ruby star
Mokanthal would be cool for horde players if thats what they want
tulip sun
They are nust muscular snd taller orcs
hollow dock
Oh hey I havent heard from Cromush since Cata. Whats he been up to?
tulip sun
He is involved some how...:o
uncut vault
serving Sylvanas now
hollow dock
Hes probs the wuedt giver
uncut vault
bit ironic
those tentacles around the horde ship are from friendly kul tiran sea priests
uncut vault
not that I can see, just tentacles
tulip sun
Why are humans helping the horde o.O
uncut vault
fighting the horde
tulip sun
Oh, thought you said friendly
hollow dock
Thats not helping. Those tentacles are holding the ships down
tulip sun
Hmk
uncut vault
Horde do ally with kul tiran pirates in tiragarde though
tulip sun
So anyone actually get off the ship? Garona, Cromush or Valtrois?
uncut vault
the stormsong story is sailing to help Rexxar, who is commanding the Horde base there
uncut vault
ya
hollow dock
All of them
tulip sun
Huelo is new
tulip sun
I dont remember Huelo
uncut vault
I take back my other statement: these are corrupted storms wake priests, not alliance friendly ones
hollow dock
Hes a beastmaster.
uncut vault
thats at least one less horrible crime the hordes commiting then