IMO bith sides wouldnt really accept them but horde is more likely
#beta-ptr-spoilers
hollow dock
steel venture
When was the last time a night elf one did? To be perfectly honest.
dense plover
Tyrande pushes away the nightborne with her indignation alone
steel venture
BFA's literally burning down Teldrassil. š So I don't think they're putting much of a voice behind the night elves in the near future.
But anybody who's y'know, played one for years would know this already. We're just losing basically everything at this point. š
dense plover
I mean
meager warren
ABOUT TIME
steel venture
basically getting pushed out of our own fucking continent like ffs blizz..
meager warren
Tbf, Eastern Kingdoms has always been mostly Alliance-ey and New Kalimdor has always been mostly Horde-ey
meager warren
New Kalimdor**
steel venture
Tauren and other races usually had the south, then the Horde moved in.
ruby star
They migjt be leaving the alpha build till friday, when the raid boss testing is?
steel venture
If I was talking about Pre-Sundering I'd mention that, I'm not gonna say "new kalimdor" when everyone knows you preface the old one with presundering talk.
._.'
meager warren
Nelves have a huge-ass tree and that one place
steel venture
They canonically have / have had:
Teldrassil, Darkshore, Ashenvale (which included Felwood prior to its corruption), Hyjal, Winterspring, Stonetalon (before it became more contested during Cataclysm.), and Moonglade.
That is the majority of Northern Kalimdor.
Actually, before the Draenei crash landed. Azuremyst and Bloodmyst were theirs too.
It's just not really represented well in game.
meager warren
But it's not the majority of kalimdor 
steel venture
Which is why you can find a night elven village totally destroyed whilst questing on a Draenei btw.
Just a huge chunk of the exodar kinda... smashed into it
terse patrol
ripperonis
steel venture
What's sad is that a family there did survive---It was only after the radiation made the wildife insane that the wife died, the murloc and naga started to show up in full force, and the daughter got separated from her dad and thought he died whilst he thought she died.
meager warren
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/7708811000
i hope we get this at some point. As well as undead paladins
rich apex
(Yes, RPGs aren't canon, but still. Plague druids.)
But more seriously, undead should totally have paladins
tulip sun
Shadow paladins
meager warren
Bliz needs to make Plagueshifters real
rich apex
I wouldn't mind a void knight class, if they could figure out a class fantasy that isn't just DKs or sub rogues
That and I could do with a new class that isn't edgy
( t i n k e r s )
meager warren
The not edgy classes outweigh the edgy classes tho
meager warren
tropic trail
I think you meant bard
tropic trail
You could make the claim that literally any class is edgy and find justifiable reasons for your claim
meager warren
The only part about priest that
s edgy is the void-y spec
as a whole, it's not edgy
and rogue, as a whole also isn't edgy
west relic
tropic trail
what do you mean rogues aren't edgy, how much edgier can you get than assassins and thieves?
meager warren
...a lot edgier
tropic trail
Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker is pretty edgy, I must admit
west relic
meager warren
i'm talking metaphorically obviously
dense plover
And i was making funny joke
meager warren
mb
rich apex
Belated but
2 out of 3 new classes have been edgy
And necromancer is a fairly obvious option for the Bolvar expansion
rich apex
Pretty much
I dunno -how- they'd design it
But the 'class' has been pretty prominent in the lore
There's only so many options for a new class that are rooted in pre existing lore
Unless they invent the bard guild of azeroth
tulip sun
But most are pretty similar to other classes
rich apex
Oh for sure
tulip sun
Not very unique
rich apex
I have no idea how they'd design it without cannabalizing unholy DKs and demo locks
But
I'm thinking in terms of class fantasy/narrative, not design/abilities
Admittedly, having a personal army of undead minions is pretty cool
But yes, unholy DKs and demo locks
So who knows
rich apex
in before unholy DKs loose their coolest ability like demo locks lost metamorphosis
tropic trail
The difference between necros and DKs would be about the same as priests and paladins (ignoring shadow priests since they ruin the comparison)
tropic trail
similar fantasy yes, but they could still be unique in their own way
rich apex
Melee vs caster and all
But unholy DKs still have that plagues and summoning minions
Which would be the necromancer's shtick
Because they clearly based the spec off that
tropic trail
true
we could see blood and rune magic tho
like what the blood trolls do
But they could also just make a green fire like questline to turn demo/aff locks into necros
rich apex
Eh, I doubt they'd completely change the class (except only aesthetic wise)
A warlock is a warlock
They probably don't want to fiddle with that
jovial coral
A while back I thought of a neat idea for warlocks which was manipulating demons using an "eyes of the beast" type spell. Each demon you control could have a "metamorphosis" kind of empowerment except it's the warlock that is powering up the demon instead of the other way around. Using the eyes of the beast would increase duration of some of your demons summons, as well as granting it some cool utilities. There's a few problems with the idea, but would be a neat class/spec mechanic for a necromancer if not warlock.
broken kraken
in case anyones wondering that hasnt tested it yet on alpha, ulduar 10n isnt killable at all, i just got rekt hard to FL on normal 10, cant damage it past like 77% at 112, cause boss hp too high an the mechanic damage kills too quick
despite stacking the pyrite to 10 it did little at all to lower the hp
tested sunwell, all bosses were fine except kiljaeden and brutallus, the fire crap killed me which on live currently doesnt. aas for kj the fire bloom spell it has ticks like half your hp away before you can do anything but as a hunter i just turtled it an managed to heal with exhilaration
havent tried other wrath or bc raids tho
or vanilla for that matter
meager warren
that could depend on your ilvl, dps, class, whether you're fighting alone, and probably others i can't think of
steel venture
Stat squishes usually break old content in old raids.
Give them time in beta and they'll fix it.
tulip torrent
today when i started my pc and turned the battle net app on
I saw it started to blink
i knew that there is something new
and yeah
you guessed it
i got
heroes of the storm update š
strange falcon
<.<
wraith chasm
@broken kraken Agree on solo FL 10N...I went in with a hunter and I took forever to down Alysrazor. It was painful being BM hunter and my pets couldn't help me when I was in the air. I left the raid after that.
jade basalt
Just switch to MM ?
dense plover
Yeah, they havenāt balanced old content at all yet
Current content on alpha isnāt balanced yet
wraith chasm
I was already committed to the fight at that point.
dense plover
They still need to add all the content before they worry about numbers
wraith chasm
nod - at least I didn't have LUA errors popping up every time I blinked.
wraith chasm
I understand it is alpha. I am interested in what others are seeing as well.
dense plover
Well, no one really is testing old content because that feedback is currently worthless
Theyāve pretty openly stated that number balancing hasnāt started yet
wraith chasm
I needed a change of scenery.
dense plover
We still donāt have warfronts, most of the dungeons, max level content, the war campaign, and all of the other islands
wraith chasm
I'm running a Lightforged hunter, couldn't get to Legion Dal (no portal in the keep), tried to do the Broken Isles beginning scenario but that broke. I'll see if I can do Pandaria so I can get to those portals next.
dense plover
You really should focus on running the content they want you to test
This isnāt about what you want to do
An invite to the alpha is given a way for them to have more people test specific contentas
strange falcon
^
dense plover
You are literally wasting blizzards time by doing what you are doing
strange falcon
you test what you get,you don't "oh I'll go back to Siege of orgrimmar to see how difficult it is" when literally only the new isles are scaled with the item squish atm
you are required to test Zandalar,Kultiras,island expeditions and the new dungeons,anything out of this,is both a waste of your and blizzards time,and you would be much more productive if you just reported relevant bugs instead of saying "REEEEEEE old content is too hard REEEEEE"
wraith chasm
Nevermind. Only did FL to get a change of scenery. Tried to get to Broken Isles Dal to see if there were any lead-ins instead of being dumped in Kul Tiras. I was getting a bit frustrated with Kul Tiras.
strange falcon
well its alpha stuff is going to be broken and frustrating,quests are going to be bugged,uncompletable or even out of reach,but that's the entire goddamn point of the alpha
if you want only polished content,stop complaining and don't play the alpha entirely
wraith chasm
Aww... I was hoping there was a way for Horde to sneak over there. š
strange falcon
technically there is,but only very few people were manually given the war campaign quest
that's the reason why there's like 3-4 alliance guys in voldun
ruby star
@dense plover good point if raid testing is tomorrow it might drop tonight
ruby star
Friday, April 13th
Zekāvoz, Herald of Nāzoth - Heroic Uldir
13:00 PDT (16:00 EDT, 22:00 CEST)
hollow dock
dense plover
To participate, you need alpha access and a group of people to raid with
dense plover
Theyāre supposed to
They said they would show up in one of the next builds
If not this one, then definitely the next
ruby star
Yeah
quartz mango
yeah they're gonna scare us by saying BfA isn't actually coming out
tulip torrent
nah i think that they will let some evil monster in the raid in jason style
with stats from legion ^^
ruby star
I think they were joking Peach xD
uncut vault
Them saying beta is actually soon really makes me hope warfronts are today
I hope they get all the non raid content out before beta
steel venture
They did state they won't call it beta until all core features are functional and out for the new expacs now.
uncut vault
@ruby star https://youtu.be/C2Sr-sadSk4
hollow dock
Yes we saw!
It completely covers just about every point in the High Elf threads on the forums
ruby star
It was such an amazing video ā¤
distant folio
wait Taliesin uses wowwiki instead of wowpedia?
hollow dock
it's honestly interswappable.since the source that heusedon that particular comment -is- still canon
distant folio
in this specific instance maybe, but in general and by far wowpedia is infinitely more up to date or correct than wowwiki
hollow dock
Indeed.
He dodged a bullet on that one and I did leave a comment about fully using Wowpedia over Wowwiki
distant folio
it's not even a competition thing, it's just that all the people who made up wowwiki left and created wowpedia instead (something like 10 years ago), so wowwiki is now an empty husk (who still get the fame because Wikia = Google results) while wowpedia gets like, i don't know, thousands of edits per day
oh?
hollow dock
ye. It's youtube. You can leave feedback down there.
distant folio
I meant "oh" regarding him commenting on the wowwiki use
hollow dock
I am the one who left the comment about it
uncut vault
He also acknowledges that itās outdated info in the vid
hollow dock
Hit refresh. I am Desara Shadowleaf.
tulip sun
So is Locus Walker alliance?
hollow dock
Nope.
Like Valeera, he's just associated with a character of the Alliance. Not actually apart of the faction himself.
leaden garden
We have enough elves.
uncut vault
No such thing
hollow dock
Yes.
She swore herself to the Wrynn House.
but she's not an official member of the alliance.
sharp bluff
Third party consultant
sharp bluff
Tess Greymane is an Elf?
sharp bluff
Math checks out
terse patrol
valeera got plenty of time to pump out wrynn babies
tess gots ten years tops
prollt
prolly*
sharp bluff
Iām still banking on her becoming worgen, so probably more lol
sharp bluff
Yep
ruby star
still no hint of an alpha build?
strange falcon
maybe will come tomorrow along with the raid test
ruby star
Yeah, Raid testing starts 21:00 BST (if your in UK) I'd expect the build to come out before it ready
sharp bluff
Tomorrow for us US guys lol
tulip sun
Is he talking 21:00 tomorrow?
I typed it in google and it says 4 PM here...and it if 5 rn, has to be tomorrow xD
ruby star
Zekāvoz, Herald of Nāzoth - Heroic Uldir
13:00 PDT (16:00 EDT, 22:00 CEST)
I converted it to 21:00 BST (for if your from UK)
ruby star
Yeah but I'm sure the build will come out a little bit before
wild pewter
How old is Tess canonically or do we not know?
tulip sun
Ya, idk about her and anduin
hollow dock
Oh anduin we know for certain is 18 years of age
we just dont know when Tess was born
so we have no measurement of time
terse patrol
Tess was an adult in cataclysm so
This would be some Anakin and Padme shit
do not want
mint arch
honestly, i just hope anduin finds a nice girlfriend and isnt forced into a storyline
doesnt have to be some important char
he's still a kid
ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
mint arch
I want Anduin - vris 2018
hollow dock
and then night elfon the throne next
mint arch
too many elfs >:
terse patrol
he likes goats tho
cant blame him tho
his son/daughter would outlive all of his human subjects due to dat draenei blood
terse patrol
^
tbh iād prefer that because i like cliches
marriage to unite the horde and alliance
mint arch
then sylvanas can fck off as anduin and orc-chan
will lead us against the void
horde and alliance
mint arch
=D
ruby star
don't worry, we'll just blow Sylvanas up with teh Vindicaaar
strange falcon
mint arch
her fanboys will protect her from the lazor though
terse patrol
mfw we dont glass orgrimmar for the loss of teldrassil
what we even got the vindicaar for
tulip sun
I like the idea of him marrying a non human
terse patrol
its almost certain
if they pick tess, itāll be lame af
That and iām p sure
They want tess to be independent woman who dont need no man
mint arch
respekt wamen~
but she is next in line
after daddy greymane
would be the lazy but easy story
of getting them 2 together
:/
terse patrol
lazyy
wild pewter
Think Anduin is confirmed to be 17 from Legion. Where is Anduin meant to like Draenei and dwarf stuff? Asking for a friend š
terse patrol
hes 18 in BFA
wild pewter
Source?
dense plover
BfA is one year after legion
thats how expansions work
an expac is about 1 year long ingame
17+1 = 18
sudden oak
Anduin will be together with wrathion and then he will abolish that stupid hereditary monarchy
and then they will adopt
terse patrol
no
sudden oak
yes
terse patrol
just to be real
yes, blizzard likes to be inclusive.
but I don't see them making the leader of the alliance gay, nor do I see them disbanding the monarchy.
this is coming from me, who is bi
Just because he's a more sensitive and accepting man than any other Blizzard character doesn't make him gay.
He's non-toxic masculinity personified.
hollow dock
IMO I think he just likes goats more than humans
Not that he's for blame or anything. He was introduced to them in his early teen years.
dense plover
i mean, who he likes and who he marries are irrelevant
when you are a king, you make the choice thats right for your kingdom
dense plover
Tess is the most likely option
she is a different human kingdom
it would directly unite gilneas and stormwind as one kingdom
hollow dock
I remember Velens hair nt being white on Arugs
terse patrol
they're not going to write some complex love triangle for anduin sorry.
dense plover
instead of two kingdoms united
hollow dock
he was like dark brown or black
dense plover
^
sharp bluff
Well if the fan base has told me anything about female Draeni, their member is bigger then his
terse patrol
And even then, they don't get ugly when they age like humans.
hollow dock
UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUh
terse patrol
we become wrinklebags
terse patrol
not slowed'
dense plover
khadgar is similar
terse patrol
Lightforged are immortal.
dense plover
he is not aging at the correct rate b/c medivh
hollow dock
Otherwise Honk, Turalyon wouldn't have his grey hair
he would look like he did when he left Outland
dense plover
well
terse patrol
vris
dense plover
thats not true
hollow dock
He has very clearly aged since Outland Peach
dense plover
if you live forever, you might still run out of pigment for your hair
terse patrol
He likely got Lightforged after his hair went white. OR
dense plover
oh i agree
terse patrol
It's a side effect of Lightforging.
hollow dock
that's my argument that he still ages.
terse patrol
See: Lightforged Draenei
hollow dock
Because very clearly he has aged
terse patrol
Clearly, Lightforging changes you.
hollow dock
Sounds like it too
terse patrol
Yes
terse patrol
He likely fought with the Army of the Light for a while, until they decided to Lightforge him when he proved himself worthy of the honor.
<_>
hollow dock
For a real example of Immortality: Tyrande
terse patrol
Tyrande isn't immortal.
hollow dock
The night elves were immortal before losing their blessing
She's over ten thousand years old now, much older than Turalyon
and hasn't aged a day. Same with the other draenei
terse patrol
The novels even say she's already starting to feel the effects of aging AFTER the loss of the World Tree.
She didn't age AT ALL while she was immortal
Immortality in WoW = no aging at all.
hollow dock
So then how has Faheera and the other Lightforged men not shown any aging, yet turalyon has?
hollow dock
What does that change though?
terse patrol
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Re-listen to the audio drama.
He and Alleria stayed with them for a while before they Lightforged him.
Thus
He aged.
He went from a young man to a grey fox, then Lightforged him.
Which halted his aging.
And made his hair white.
hollow dock
How I remember it was when he went to meet with Xe'ra he was Lightforged right then and there. There wasn't any time inbetween.
If your claim of Immortality=No aging at all, I have to ask how exactly do people grow into adulthood as immortals?
terse patrol
"Turalyon and Alleria trained aboard the Army's dimensional ship, the Xenedar. After many years, Turalyon was infused with the Light by Xe'ra, granting him immortality."
From Wowpedia.
terse patrol
WoW immortality basically works like this: they reach adulthood normally, then the aging ceases.
hollow dock
But that means they've aged as an immortal.
terse patrol
ffs
natural immortal*
Those born with it
Lightforged are unnaturally immortal, it's bestowed.
hollow dock
Are we really thinking it took him another 30 or 40 years for him to grow to Silver Fox status?
terse patrol
I'm saying what the lore says.
He didn't get on the ship and was just given immortality.
Xe'ra wanted to test him.
hollow dock
And the lore isn't specifically stating he stopped aging. that's just what you interpret immortality as.
hollow dock
We dont know if that's specifically because night elves just age slowly naturally or if it was the immortality taking effect.
tropic trail
so were night elf kids, children for 10k years?
hollow dock
that shes feeling the effects of aging
yet. No where else does it ever mention her aging.
Anywhere.
wild pewter
Legion is leading directly into BFA though.
terse patrol
a few years
hollow dock
Again, that still isn't an indication enough, for me, that it's caused immortality any differently with Turalyon. Let's assume that Immortality for the Night Elves did fully stop their aging
terse patrol
i'm done arguing this. We're going to agree to disagree, because I've stated what the lore says. You believe that Turalyon is going to turn into a wrinklebag eventually.
hollow dock
Because it makes 0 sense to me
that they wouldn't ya know
seal him in his PRIME AGE
and let him age to about 60
before stopping it
terse patrol
he is totally not 60
tropic trail
maybe he just has white hair from the lightforging?
hollow dock
To get to the facial features he has, that is about late 50s early 60s
tropic trail
and he is still young
hollow dock
not even talking the hair
tropic trail
Other than his hair, he really doesn't look that old
terse patrol
"Turalyon and Alleria trained aboard the Army's dimensional ship, the Xenedar. After many years, Turalyon was infused with the Light by Xe'ra, granting him immortality."
terse patrol
let's be real here
In ANY fantasy* setting
Have you seen an immortal turn into a wrinklebag.
No.
hollow dock
Yes. I have.
terse patrol
Elves in LOTR don't grow wrinkley and old.
terse patrol
Elves in Warhammer don't grow wrinkley and old.
hollow dock
Within Vampirism you see aging happen very often.
And Vamps are considerd immortal.
Depending on the source you take it from.
tropic trail
I've never seen vamps age in any setting
terse patrol
you're grasping at straws vris
tropic trail
not vamps
terse patrol
wat
tropic trail
vamps are magic undead, not your run of the mill zombie
hollow dock
Again the a few sources I've seen, mainly having to deal with more Nosferatu-esc vampires, do end up aging. It's at a very slow pace or tied to their drinking, but it still happens. Immortality as I've seen it is described in two ways: Completely haulting the aging process or slowed it down to a crawl.
hollow dock
Indeed. and I've seen fiction that has 'immortality' slow it to a crawl. The body withers and tries to die but some magic keeps it together. Normally forcing the immortal in question to seek a new one.
terse patrol
Do you see Night Elves running around trying to steal bodies?
hollow dock
No but we haven't seen the night elves without their immortality for more than a couple years. Which we know Kaldorei can live for thousands of years with very little to no aging as shown with Azshara's empire.
tropic trail
none of the known elves aged in the 10k years since the war of the ancients tho
like at all
terse patrol
thats
hollow dock
That's due to Nordrassil and Nozdormu's blessing
tropic trail
thought you said they still aged slowly tho
hollow dock
I hadn't?
I said we dont know if they age slowly and thus feel the aging process again since they lost their immortality for like what.
6 or 7 years?
terse patrol
This is how WoW Immortality works: you're born, you grow up, then you cease to age.
You live until you die of disease or are killed.
hollow dock
I dont know if thats the exact case as it's never specifically stated. š¤·
tropic trail
their immortality has been gone for longer than that, they lost it at the end of wc3 right?
tropic trail
and there was 10 years between wc3 and wow
hollow dock
or 11.
terse patrol
From the immortality page:
hollow dock
There was not 10 years.
terse patrol
"An immortal is a being who will not die of old age and is generally resistant to sickness and injury. Immortality does not confer an immunity to injury nor death by unnatural means. "
heavy cairn
IDK length between vanilla and black temple, but black temple -> legion = 10 years
so it's at least 14 years that night elves have not been immortal
jade basalt
It's been 11 years since Nordrassil's burning.
Lorewise.
And Burning Crusade > Legion was 6 years.
More or less 1 year per expac, and as Vris said 4 years between ending of WC3 and beginning of WoW.
tropic trail
how does the wow calendar work? I know months and days are the same, but what year is it in wow?
tulip sun
So why were two highmountains killed off so needlessly in this artifact quest chain
I am talking like descendents of huln
Kinda seems like a waste
hollow dock
Because
Dick expansion of the hero
that's about it
and Green we dont know. Months and days -are not- the same
as Each expansion ends in 1 year. 2 years in the case of Cataclysm to Pandaria
mint arch
Dick expansion - Vris 2018
tropic trail
the profession changes will that affects our current process? like i really wanna do some profession stuff but i scared after the changes it'll erase the datamind
months and days as in, they have monday, tuesday wendsday, thursday friday, january etc
but like it's 2018 in real life, what year is it in wow? did the calendar start over with the opening of the dark portal marking a new era?
wow still seems to be on a 12 month calendar, so they must be keeping track of time as the years go by, so what year is it in game?
hollow dock
Essentially yes.
Year 0 is the dark portal opening and the invasion of Azeroth
-10,000 is roughly the WoE event
so on so forth
@tropic trail None of the professions changes will remove your current stuff with the exception of First Aid. First aid will get bundled into Alchemy and Tailoring but any titles you earn remain.
tropic trail
alright thanks you so much
meager warren
i hope we see shark-people in WoW at some point
http://prntscr.com/j4kyah
something like this maybe.
(This is from P101. If WoW were to do it, they'd have to do it differently, obvs)
meager warren
i liked the aesthetic of p101
dense plover
i thought cata to pandaria was still one year
doesnt chronicles 3 put them at one year apart?
hollow dock
Cata to pandaria has been a 2 year pause as far as I was aware. I hadnt heard tell of that changing.
uncut vault
There was no major time gap between cata and MoP. Only real time jump has been between MoP and WoD with the year of peace, and that lined up with real life anyways
hollow dock
Unless there was a different timeline published, the updated UVG states Cata to Pandaria was 2 years. o=
uncut vault
Legion info deems that not canon
Only four years between beginning of cata to beginning of legion, each xpac lasted a year and devs have confirmed the year of peace as canon
hollow dock
Where does it state that exactly? As Id not heard anything like that.
uncut vault
That itās been four years? Frost DK questline, fault lines comic
hollow dock
And are confused as to why Wowpedia would not update that onto the official timeline.
hollow dock
Even their unofficial timeline, which is more up to date than the official one, states it was a 2 year span of cataclysm to Pandaria. Beginning of cataclysm taking place on year 28 being the start and year 29 ending it with the Hour of Twilight and then year 30 being the invasion of Pandaria
blissful lotus
Wowpedia isn't very up to date on a large chunk of wow as it is
Their timeline being off wouldn't be too suprising
hollow dock
Any examples? The official timeline hasnt been updated since 2016 in the UVG. Their unofficial one was updated just about a week ago today.
That seems pretty consistently updated.
blissful lotus
Nevermind I mixed up Wowpedia with wowwiki my mistake
hollow dock
An honest one!
ruby prawn
Vris why did you change your profile pic again
echo nest
Year 30?
tulip torrent
this is strange
i though that by this time there will be a patch news
some datamined info
tropic trail
We need an expansion that happens a day after the "endgame" ends. So like you wake up the next morning after killing C'thun only to wake up to see the demons ravaging the area around the Dark Portal.
dim flower
Prepatch?
It probably wonāt take that long to come out for BFA. Itās most likely on the horizon
Maybe 2-4 weeks of beta and we have the prepatch. So I want to say May-June
tropic trail
We aren't even near beta tho. Still Alpha and I bet it will be Alpha until probably early next month. So Say, mid May to June and then as we get into July they will release prepatch probably
hollow dock
@dim flower Prepatch is confirmed to come around 4-6 weeks before BFA launches.
hollow dock
ye sadly. Ion or some other person on the team confirmed it. I can't remember it entirely.
hollow dock
Dont have to wonder that eitehr!
hollow dock
Straigh back orcs,
hollow dock
Teldrassil
dim flower
Ohhhh
dim flower
Well this is the spoilers chat so eh
But I guess theyāll have a quest chain
A progressive one you go through
hollow dock
If ya dont want spoilers, stay away from the spoiler chat =D
dim flower
True
tropic trail
Pretty sure it was everything to do with the cinematic from what I heard.
hollow dock
Which is the Siege of Lordaeron and Burning of Teldrassil
tropic trail
Yeah
dim flower
Mhm
hollow dock
as they happen very closly to each other.
dim flower
Havenāt seen those yet
hollow dock
Now we didn't hear anything about Silithus part 2
So we're assuming it comes before then
tulip torrent
cinematic ?
dim flower
Yeah
tulip torrent
what cinematic?
hollow dock
That of course assuming they didn't just scrap it
dim flower
Silithus p. 2 and war quest p. 1
hollow dock
because it really feels like they just scrapped it at this point
dim flower
Thatād be the second time they scrapped silithis
tropic trail
The Intro one to BFA.
dim flower
Half of Silithus*
dense plover
They did mention the other half of silithus in the first BFA QA
hollow dock
Oh they did?
dense plover
They said it would arrive with the prepatch
hollow dock
I musta missed it.
dim flower
Ye
hollow dock
Oh that sucks.
dim flower
Must be p.1 of the chain
hollow dock
So the corruption of our artifacts and that junk?
dense plover
Is prepatch might be a month long
tulip torrent
any news what we are getting on the 25 this month ?
dense plover
Yes
hollow dock
there are none Arg.
hollow dock
Because nothing actually came with the ending of the last Cultist cast, people are just now assuming its pure coincidence.
tulip torrent
it seems too early for silithus quests to me
tulip torrent
the next part of the silithus quests is about the corruption of out artefacts
i think that the best time for that is the stat squish in the pre patch
and with the corruption of the artefact blizz is free to disable the artefact traits
and ofc the disabling can be on bfa release
and again i might be wrong
hollow dock
My only issue
hollow dock
is that it'd be a month and a half
dim flower
Since I need to use my artifact weapon still
dim flower
Iām not running Heroic Antorus with a !@#%ing [Sharpened Letter Opener] lmao
hollow dock
Im not running mythic with an oversized can opener
dim flower
Havenāt gotten there yet cuz I suck š
dim flower
Well I can
But
I wonāt be accepted
945 ilvl TANK
Thatās why Iām leveling an arms warrior
Sick of tanking and I want to get accepted more
Even though Iām maining prot pally for ally /shrug
dense plover
Actually, last cast coincided with the release of the silithus battleground
But either way
This one is probably beta
Considering how clear theyāve been that beta is almost ready
And that it is soon, not soon tm
tulip torrent
even with removed artefact traits
our weapons will be useful
after all they will have their stats and ilvl
dim flower
Yeah but the effects are so useful
dim flower
I wonāt be able to get three stacks of Thrash on my target in one button press without that baby
Theyād have to tune down the whole raid
steel venture
They won't disable artifact traits until BFA launch.
dim flower
As long as we keep them until I can replace it, Iām fine
steel venture
That makes no sense to do it in prepatch when Legion content is still current until launch.
dim flower
^^^
steel venture
How the fuck would people do Mage Tower if traits got disabled, for example?
dim flower
OML
tulip torrent
i think that we will need time to get used to those bfa dmg numbers
dim flower
Guardian Druid with leggos disabled
Nah, theyāre just like
TBC numbers from what Iāve seen
tulip torrent
guardian druids dont need artefacts š
tulip torrent
you can lower bosses with your fists
steel venture
... Mage Tower challenge is literally impossible without luffa and thrash traits.
dim flower
^^^
steel venture
For Guardian druids.
tulip torrent
once pre patch hit there will be no mage tower ach
steel venture
You could but you'd need twice as much gear---um
dim flower
Rip
tulip torrent
since like few months
steel venture
... all legion-unlocks will be available until BFA hits
that is LITERALLY the point of Blizzard saying Mage Tower is limited.
you will not be able to get the mount when BFA hits nor the challenge appearances when BFA hits
that has ALWAYS been a thing
since MoP
dim flower
What mount?
steel venture
Prepatch is NOT BFA LAUNCH.
tulip torrent
yeah
steel venture
The arcane stormcrow ye
tulip torrent
but the mage tower ach will be untill pre patch
dim flower
Damn
dim flower
I need to get heroic argy down soon
steel venture
You realize that there's no point in keeping Mage Tower until BFA then if people can't get the apparances. Blizzard isn't doing that.
The achivement is what gives you the appearance unlock.
dim flower
Anyone wanna carry a 945 druid tank through heroic Antorus?
I know the mech
s
LMAO
But seriously, this is going to give people the worst feeling of new-expansion-devolution ever
From Ashbringer to Cracked Bastard Sword of the Monkey
steel venture
They aren't turning off artifact traits until BFA.
They aren't removing the Violet Spellwing or Challenge appearances until BFA.
I seriously don't understand where Argonia's getting this from and bruh, seriously. Where's the source?
dim flower
Plus the devs, when they mentioned legendaries, they hinted towards something like the glaives or the shadowmourne (and true)
So if weāre getting the old āonly some classes get a legendaryā method
Iām excited
tulip torrent
@steel venture i am still looking :/
steel venture
:/ Since it's not there, all information. Even Wowheads interviews, states the exact opposite as to what you're sayin' fam.
steel venture
We always get prepatch included in the timeframe required to wrap up stuff from the previous expansion.
They wouldn't break that formula now.
dim flower
^^^
Weāll be safe from being extremely underpowered for current content.
Iām not buying Class Order Hall vendor greens
steel venture
I do expect the stat squish with prepatch, however.
dim flower
Professions probs with BFA
steel venture
To get us used to those numbers.
And for them to actually tune old raids and such properly.
dim flower
The profession squish that is
steel venture
Except they stated they're not removing it with prepatch.
For the sixth time now.
tulip torrent
because when you get the stat squish they may not update the challanges to them
dim flower
LMAO
IMAGINE IF THEY DIDNT
DOING THE MAGE TOWER CHALLENGE WITH LIKE 500 STRENGTH
OR WHATEVER YOU USE
tulip torrent
the tank challange will be interesting
dim flower
Nah, man, theyād tune it
Thatās like saying they wouldnāt tune Antorus
Which would make the whole thing impossible.
The whole game impossible.
steel venture
Except, that's not a source.
That's a bunch of people saying "I think it's prepatch."
There's no bluepost.
You can't use speculation to try and claim what you're saying is fact. When we know it's typically otherwise for expansions. They lowered the supplies needed for the Broken Shore buildings when 7.3 hit, they will likely do the same for 8.0 prepatch.
To make sure the buildings are up more and more often for people to wrap up what they need to get.
They have never removed challenge rewards until the next expansion offically hits.
MoP Challenge gear was still available in WoD prepatch.
WoD Challenge weapons were still avaiable in Legion prepatch.
etc.
The respective mounts didn't go away either until the expansion launched.
hollow dock
yup
uncut vault
AotC and heroic mounts do not go away with prepatch, they go away with xpac launch. source: myself, since I got the korkron juggernaut and the friendship moose post-prepatch. Mage tower is different but the artifacts will still be used then
hollow dock
Well we're also talking the Challenge Mode rewards
Pre-patch is the absolute last chance to get them.
tulip torrent
is someone going to stream the raid test ?
hollow dock
Probably someone in fatboss or any of the other high end raiders will
steel venture
No I know, Challenge rewards always are like, "Hey prepatch is your last minute chance to get these before they're gone forever!"
Argonia was trying to claim that we won't even get the challenge skins anymore in prepatch :/
hollow dock
Oh yea no. I agree with you Nile and was enforcing what you were saying as Port didn't list CM rewards.
In which port, the Juggernaut is just the mythic mount at 100% drop rate. the War Wolf is the AOTC mount
steel venture
Which for Antorus, that's the Ur'zul that's 100% right now, as well as the past one with the Mythic Gul'dan mount. The AotC mount is the Violet Spellwing.
steel venture
Especially when the Violet Stormwing literally is a mount that's been in the files for ages.
:/
It's just an arcane version of Ruhkmar's mount.
hollow dock
yea. Unlike War Wolf, which at the time, was its own unique wolf model and only seen as a raid add.
uncut vault
korkron war wolf was ahead of its time, I tell ya
still the best wolf mount around IMO
hollow dock
110%
steel venture
And unlike the Grove Warden, yes---we did get multiple moose and wolves after both the War Wolf and Grove Warden, but none of them 100% replicated it.
uncut vault
gonna match the maghar great too
steel venture
I'm sad I missed the War Wolf š
But the group I was going to snag it with fell apart.
hollow dock
I remember the stats got released for garrosh kills.
Only like 30% of all pulls ended in a kill. That was nuts.
dim flower
Oh whatās up with these transmogs Iāve been seeing
Like I saw this really cool light sword introduced in legion on this one guy
Idk what itās called
Forgot
tropic trail
Didn't he also drop heirlooms?
hollow dock
Post a screen shot of it?
dim flower
I donāt have one
tropic trail
*During the expac
hollow dock
Yea he did. He dropped all the horde PVP weapons as heirlooms
hollow dock
I can't really help without an actual look or name =/
hollow dock
Nope.
dim flower
Okay
hollow dock
There are the army of the light weapons from the 'kill all rares' achieve.
If that's maybe what you say?
dim flower
Well
If it helpā
Maybe
If it helps there arenāt that many Legion weapon modes
Models*
hollow dock
Go kill all rares on Argus
hollow dock
no problem
tropic trail
I remember the last boss I needed was Sorolis, which was a pain in my ass to find because he would spawn the days I never bothered wanting to kill him, but when it came down to when I wanted to kill
Hard to find ;-;
hollow dock
Yea it'll take a few days
maybe even a week. Cuz some of the rares just dont want to spawn in as rares
and killing them as elites does not count
dim flower
Just use personal groups?
hollow dock
Or the Lightforged Warmachine
dim flower
And server hop?
tropic trail
Well, Sorolis doesn't have a mission behind him
dim flower
Ah
hollow dock
since -most- of the rares are tied to WQs
hollow dock
they do change daily at least.
and, to my knowledge, they can't spawn in as a WQ twice in a row.
tropic trail
Yeah, pretty sure they can't
dim flower
I want to go to Vuldum and that one luscious grassland in KulāTiras
But letās be honest
We all know the last raid is in Wetlands
tropic trail
Honestly reminds me of Uldum
strange falcon
vol'dun is miles better(and different) than any desert zone we've got so far,feels like the level designers learned their lesson
hollow dock
Eh. I rather like Uldum. Voldun doesn't really seem all that different for me.
tropic trail
I think Uldum looks amazing, especially around the Vir'naal and the obelisks.
(And the blatant Indiana Jones reference makes it better)
dense plover
to me, comparing uldum and voldun is like comparing egypt and death valley
theyre both deserts with sand
tropic trail
Both hot.
dense plover
the comparrison ends there
uncut vault
thats actually pretty apt, uldum is an egyptian desert, vol'dun is very much a north american one
tropic trail
It's the Sonoran desert.
dense plover
voldun has big jutting pieces of rock, salt plains, no rivers
dried trees, vultures, insects
uncut vault
might just be cause I visit sometimes, but I like the southeast cali/arizona desert feel
dense plover
it honestly reminds me of death valley if a native culture lived there
arizona is a good example too
tropic trail
Uldum has vultures, and insects.
hollow dock
Yea Im glad to not have to spend to long there then. Doesn't sound that great to me.
jade basalt
Vol'dun is a better version than Uldum on all accounts, from the very esthetics to the titan pyramids and the conflicts within the existing empire (tol'vir / sethrak) and so on. It'll always be such a shame that such an important place as Uldum had its entire storyline turned into a gigantic meme-land, and awkward cinematics.
uncut vault
plus its got snakes and fuckin annoying foxes, definitely an american desert
hollow dock
I rather liked Uldum and Vol'dun just doesn't sound that fun.
tropic trail
^^
dense plover
i like uldum
and voldun seems like fun
it has an interesting story, a new aesthetic
and its big
hollow dock
I think its just me then.
jade basalt
80% of Uldum was pop culture references and following Harrison Jones into his joke adventures and awkward, sound-less cinematics.
dense plover
the zones in BfA are so big
hollow dock
yea and I enjoyed myself.
jade basalt
Ew.
jade basalt
In public ?
dense plover
i liked uldum too
hollow dock
I'm just stating
dense plover
it was pretty
hollow dock
It does not sound like I will enjoy myself
hollow dock
It sounds a lot more empty. Less things to actually see as I prefer the Egyptian aesthetic because despite it also being a desert, there's luscious life there. I love that sort of contrast.
dense plover
its not empty
jade basalt
It actually sounds pretty cool, a mix of loa & serpent people stuff and Old God and Zandalari shenanigans (and fox people but that may not be to everyone's taste). There's still a few things to fix though, the sethrak empire's backstory has some inconsistencies.
dense plover
its more of an american desert though, so it looks dead on the surface
strange falcon
there's actually more quests in voldun than nazmir probably
hollow dock
Again I'm sure it does
dense plover
some weird stuff
tropic trail
And Uldum had two different zones that seemed completely different, had a mostly barren desert to a lush marsh filled with trees and crocolisks.
dense plover
azerite stuff
hollow dock
but I'm just not seeing/hearing it
strange falcon
cant post images here <.<
hollow dock
Links exist m9
hollow dock
http://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/721053.jpg this is the only interesting screen shot I see
dense plover
its definitely just you
hollow dock
I've been saying that?
strange falcon
is the sethrak "castle" pic in that post?
dense plover
wasnt sure
strange falcon
can't upload t
dense plover
now i am
hollow dock
Like.
My opinion is that it doesn't sound all that great.
Maybe because I never specifically said 'My opinion' that it wasn't clear?
strange falcon
I bet if it had sidequests involving high elves you would say it to be the most interesting zone ever
o.o
hollow dock
Not really.
tropic trail
Plus, Egyptian culture has always been more fascinating to me tbh
uncut vault
there is an oasis area
hollow dock
The aesthetics of the zone just dont please me. Same with Hinterlands.
and yea, same goes for me Lilo.
Like yea the Sethrak archetecture is neat to see. But that's not the entire zone. It just looks and feels empty.
strange falcon
well this one has unique architecture and culture that isn't plagiarized and adapted from popular culture(Egypt)
also yes there is an oasis with a really fun questline in there,
and It has more troll structures than you imagine,the only "sand dunes only parts" are extremely minimal
hollow dock
yet those are the parts WoWhead felt the need to screenshot over and over and over.
tropic trail
^^
hollow dock
If it really doesn't look as presented, then OK maybe my opinion changes when I actually touch ground in game
tropic trail
And plus, Uldum has been one of those zones that's existed, but never at the players hands
always* I should say
hollow dock
but so far, out of everything I've seen, it just isn't that great as everyones making it out to be
So it might also be expectations vs reality
tropic trail
"You think you do, but you really don't"
strange falcon
well I could pm you some nice shots of cool things to see when I get back,I assure you there's lots to see
also,on a second point,voldun technically has always existed too,just that it was lush forests zuldazar 2.0 until the sethrak started spreading sand everywhere
also I've actually finished the zone on the alpha
hollow dock
Yea but vulpera and horde biased. Y'all have constantly praised it like its the next coming of SoO.
strange falcon
and it looks to be expanding from now since launch,because there is an area with floating questgivers,so unless they delete them entirely,it may be expanded more for a sidequest or two
tropic trail
I agree to that Vris, but I do hope it doesn't fall flat like SoO, I do hope it is good, but I don't think it'd be good too
uncut vault
I don't think its the best zone of the xpac, Zuldazar and Stormsong are tied for that, but it's good looking IMO
strange falcon
IMO they did a better job than uldum,because in the end all uldum was is an overly drawn out Indiana Jones meme,with very little actual story for the races in the zone
terse patrol
Bringing freedom to Voldun. 
hollow dock
Honestly the quests had very little to do with my enjoyment of the zone overall. I was also much younger and didn't mind the memey quests.
tropic trail
Personally, I'm one of those people who would like to judge when I try it, but Voldun seems like one of those places that just won't hold up with the powerhouse zones that are aesthetically better, gameplay is better, and etc.
meager warren
How old are you?
hollow dock
23 right now. So I was an Edgy teen when I first went through it.
meager warren
Nice
dim flower
I prefer the aesthetic of Volādun, but thatās all I can say
tropic trail
It's just easier to the sake of being lazy to just type Voldun
dim flower
I like the lizard people who will soon control our governments
Or snake people
Whatever
hollow dock
Don't get me wrong, there are things -in the zone- that I quite like.
But it doesn't save the zone as a whole for me.
dim flower
I havenāt leveled in it
No alpha access
I can only speak on an aesthetical basis
And even then
tropic trail
I would probably just hand mine off if I did get it
dim flower
I havenāt done enough Uldum to compare them
hollow dock
Neither have I. All my opinions are based off of is people playing through it, screenshots and peoples praise.
dim flower
So Iām just going to say Tanaris is the best desert.
tropic trail
Nah.
dim flower
lmaooo
tropic trail
Ahn'Qiraj is
dim flower
thinks youāre gonna say Silithus
names the least important part of the zone in terms of quests
tropic trail
Couldn't remember the exact name
dim flower
fair nuff
hollow dock
AQ is its own zone
dim flower
Tmw you remember AhnāQiraj and itās exact spelling but not Silithus.
Yeah but itās basically Silithus.
tropic trail
Not really.
dim flower
Mmm...yeah, it is.
tropic trail
Ahn'Qiraj has it's own zone in the world map