And 'the existential feeling of being a walking corpse'
#beta-ptr-spoilers
rich apex
grand grail
it cant be that bad
rich apex
So yeah, holy Forsaken priests are super hardcore
grand grail
the dks in goldshire seem pretty happy
rich apex
š
sharp bluff
Vris, Saoirse is on your faction
hollow dock
and?
sharp bluff
š¤¦
hollow dock
OK. Cool
sharp bluff
Goldshire
ripe barn
alliance > horde > The Consortiumā¢
grand grail
honestly goldshrie isnt as bad as people say
hollow dock
Azeroth<All
grand grail
at least on argent dawn
hollow dock
it is on Moonguard
tropic trail
you've never been to moonguard then
meager warren
Azeroth > All
tropic trail
I remember going there once for the lols
meager warren
#NoLivesMatter
#KillAll
grand grail
I Might vist it on friday
hollow dock
Other way around Edgy
sharp bluff
Moonguard + Goldshire = no more characters on that server ever again
meager warren
no
hollow dock
All < Azeroth
grand grail
i wonder where the horde goldshire will be now that undercity is gonna be gone
tropic trail
Azeroth is the name of the lower half of Eastern kingdoms
grand grail
I cant wait to see all the blood elf refugees in goldshire
ive already seen like 10 the other day
sharp bluff
honestly, I just want them to put the heirloom vendor in Org, since ours was in the undercity
all i want this xpac
grand grail
hes probably gnona be in the embassy
meager warren
Put the Heirloom vendor in Dalaran if the factions merge
tropic trail
"10/10 expac, heirloom vendor now in org"
grand grail
Hes probably gonna be in the trash
meager warren
8/10 expac
undead are still slouched
grand grail
along with the rest of orgimar
sharp bluff
but are they moving Dal again? have we heard yet?
terse patrol
kinda hoping dalaran is destroyed by Azshara and it falls into the sea.
grand grail
the xpac is 2/10 i cant make my forsaken use his rotten arm as a sword
meager warren
ooh.
ooh.
floating island? bliz, make it happen
sharp bluff
but you can have a forsaken use his arm as a spell focus Saoirse
terse patrol
āYeah, you guys dont get your island anymore, I saw what you did with it in Wrath and Legion.ā
grand grail
Wait seriously!?
sharp bluff
yep
grand grail
looks like im rolling horde bois
terse patrol
man, I hope that happens
meager warren
wdym you saw what we did.
you have no proof
terse patrol
I could imagine her knocking it out of the sky
grand grail
i think its just gonna end up in the alliance island floating
grand grail
or it getting knocked out of the sky and falling into the water
terse patrol
And stealing the Pillars of Creation
grand grail
and floating
terse patrol
And using them to release Nāzoth
Actually
Iām p sure thatās what is going to happen.
terse patrol
You sure about that?
What better way to show the might of the greatest mage in the world?
tropic trail
They'll probably just leave it in the broken isles
meager warren
#FloatingDalaran2018
tropic trail
I think jaina will 1up azshara
meager warren
#SunkenHonkerton2018
sharp bluff
Into the Maelstorm we go boys!
meager warren
maelstrom*
meager warren
"Some men just want to watch the world burn"
isn't the maelstrom much bigger than Dalaran
meager warren
it would sink.
either into Deepholm or into the bottom of the sea
sharp bluff
use Dalaran as a Giant cork you say? well gather more nethershards for me and we shall try!
terse patrol
but ye
meager warren
"Get me 4999 Nether Shards pls"
meager warren
i hope they update water animations at some point
grand grail
what do you guys think abuot the possibilty of night elf worgen to be an allied race
meager warren
it looks really blocky now
grand grail
im all for it if it means they fix the female worgens god damn model
meager warren
nelf worgen are just regular worgen
grand grail
she looks like a chiuaua
ive seen some cool designs wth like antlers and different colour fur
strange falcon
my theory is that they're going to use sethrak as an excuse to rework the worgens
as the sethrak use the worgen male model with a custom snake head
meager warren
actually, chihuahas are preferable imo to the current female worgen model
atomic thistle
I want a basset hound...
uncut vault
Gnome Worgen canāt exist sadly
dense plover
yeah
hollow dock
Sadly thats not how worgen work
dense plover
gnomes have no connection to the emerald dream
its the same reason worgen are gilneans
and not just humans
technically night elves could be worgen
but they wouldnt
not intentionally
uncut vault
Well, gnomes are the only race actually fully confirmed for ācannot be turnedā
meager warren
Kul'tirans don't have any known connection the emerald dream but look at those druids
so, kul'tiran worgen would be do-able probably
strange falcon
but why tho
sharp bluff
Just like every race could be forsaken, I doubt we will see Nelf worgens, just because they exist
meager warren
well yes but harvest druids are a different sort of druid than other druids
meager warren
why they called harvest druids if they're normal druids
dense plover
and kul tiran druids are different than normal druids
slightly different type of magic
they learned differently
its like tying your shoes
theres a bunch of ways to tie them
but they all do practically the same thing in the end
terse patrol
issue with nelf worgen: they allied with sylvanas
meager warren
it's like tying your shoes?
so they can do it without entering another dimension?
ruby star
It looks like we might not be getting an alpha build today, feels bad man
sharp bluff
What Honk?
terse patrol
Sylvanas made a deal with the Alpha Prime to attack Gilneas.
uncut vault
There are friendly night elf Worgen in Felwood
terse patrol
Alpha Prime is the one who sent the worgen in first, to soften the Gilneans up.
He also started the Wolf Cult.
sharp bluff
Huh forgot about that
terse patrol
So
hollow dock
I mean
terse patrol
Donāt expect Night Elf Worgen to be Alliance.
uncut vault
They already are Alliance :/
terse patrol
no
hollow dock
At that point they are neutral
uncut vault
meager warren
wasn't that worgen who was a leader of the rebellion a nelf worgen
hollow dock
And yea. You also forget that Darius was going around and putting all the remaining worgen into the gilnean ranks
Feral, nelf or otherwuse
dense plover
still plenty of time drorith
hollow dock
Otherwise*
dense plover
builds have come out as late as 7 or 8 EST
uncut vault
āA few of us here have lived in this land since the Scythe of Elune first passed through it. Most suffered through the fall of Gilneas.ā She and her pack have been there since the war of the satyr, and are in an alliance base
terse patrol
The Night Elven worgen under Alpha Prime HATE the Druids.
They blame them for their imprisonment.
ruby star
@dense plover Ah yeah that's a valid point!
hollow dock
They do. But. They still turn to Darius and Gilneas against the Forsaken.
meager warren
so, do they also hate themselves? š¤
ruby star
You guys discussing Nigh Elf worgen allied race or something lore wise or?
meager warren
we're just discussing drivel
ruby star
Oooooh ok
terse patrol
The Horde could use a worgen type
meager warren
you mean, tauren?
uncut vault
I mean lore wise, there already are alliance aligned Kaldorei Worgen. And the ones who arenāt are dead as far as we know
rich apex
NElf worgen make no sense design wise
hollow dock
All the remaining worgen are with the alliance.
terse patrol
āHere, play a worgen, except itās a purple worgen. Cool.ā
uncut vault
Itās an interesting idea for horde Worgen, but it wouldnāt happen
rich apex
Unless they get a new class combo or customizations
meager warren
ARCANE BELF WORGEN
hollow dock
But we see Worgen of night elf infection
languid yoke
it's not an interesting idea
meager warren
ftw
languid yoke
it's a dumb idea
hollow dock
Theyre the EXACT SAME as gilnean worgen
rich apex
'here's a purple elf-worgen...but you'll see the worgen form 80% of the time'
languid yoke
and nelfs siding with horde would not make sense either
meager warren
gimme ghostly purple worgen
uncut vault
Anyone with a vulpera icon has no right to call anything dumb
rich apex
'and it's the exact same as the human-worgen'
rich apex
Someone get the 'too many animal people in WoW' post
terse patrol
Lightforged are barely different from normal Draenei. So no, I donāt want Worgen Type 2 for Alliance.
meager warren
this coming from someone with santa claus as their icon, port?
hollow dock
Thats the point of allied racea Honk
uncut vault
But night elf Worgen in alliance make plenty of sense. They can make them more or less feral if they need, give them more Druidic attributes
dense plover
different versions of base races
hollow dock
Theyre not replacing normal races, just alterations and diversion among the base ones
dense plover
its why mogu as an allied race is ridiculouys
terse patrol
Iād rather the Horde get access to a Worgen type
dense plover
they
already
exist
you cant say something doesnt make sense when it has lore and stuff
terse patrol
Iād have rather the Horde got Eredar rather than we get Lightforged.
meager warren
MOGU ALLIED RICE WOULD BE AWESOME
uncut vault
Tfw furries hate other furries ššš
meager warren
FOR THE OLD GODS
terse patrol
Uncorrupted Arakkoa allied race when
hollow dock
The furry community vehemently hate each other smaller part of it
Furries ruined furries
dense plover
never
steel venture
kaldorei worgen would be a nice allied race, if they actually somehow had relevancy. but we already wrapped up the emerald dream SOOOOOOOOOOOO
yeah rip to that idea
dense plover
because aarakoa are not a variation on an existing race
ruby star
It's just like High Elves and Wildhammer dwarves make sense as an allied race as they are already apart of the ALliancce ;D
hollow dock
And Nile
hollow dock
They are the same as gilnean worgen
uncut vault
I mean they got unwrapped in cata
dense plover
but not in the current setting
hollow dock
Theres no difference
meager warren
mogu use the same skeleton as the pandaren
dense plover
also we are getting a new dwarf race
hollow dock
^
tropic trail
maybe with the new hearthstone expansion, they'll introduce night elf worgen as looking different
dense plover
oh
im not saying we should
just like i disagree with high elves
but lore wise
they do exist
meager warren
o rly
hollow dock
If they do its strickly for hearthstone
Like Liams ghost
In which the full card dump happened green
terse patrol
i want SETHRAK
dense plover
sethrakk wont happen either
dense plover
helmets dont work
meager warren
and SETHRAK
languid yoke
helmets do work
dense plover
or most armor
hollow dock
And no night elves anywhere
terse patrol
uhm
meager warren
you don't work
dense plover
the armor they have
tropic trail
turtle people first showed up in hearthstone
steel venture
night elven worgen like alpha prime were more typically depicted like your usual hollywood "wolfman" ragged, and short coarse patches of fur on otherwise unfurred areas, at least in some art. ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
dense plover
it build into the model
uncut vault
Helmets work as well as Worgen or Tauren
tropic trail
just sayin
languid yoke
they would "work" like they "work" on worgen/tauren
dense plover
but they currently dont
terse patrol
@dense plover
dense plover
all allied races currently wip have hints that they would function
strange falcon
if you support sethrak why are you hating on vulpera tho š¤
hollow dock
No nelves in this expac of hearthstone
terse patrol
dense plover
you arent reading what im writing
terse patrol
steel venture
beast race helms are shitty lol
in general
meager warren
steel venture
they wont look good but can easily be attached
dense plover
sethrakk arent currently implemented in any way as a possible race
dense plover
they cant equip any armor
meager warren
um
dense plover
just weapons
meager warren
are you okay
tropic trail
why would they want to have more races with bad helmets?
languid yoke
yeah sethrak aren't implemented as possible race righ tnow
terse patrol
@dense plover You can say the same about Nightborne
dense plover
it was a mistake honestly
meager warren
you were a mistake
terse patrol
Blizzard might make Sethrak playable by the end of the expac.
dense plover
vulpera are copied goblins
uncut vault
I mean, theyāre setting up a bit of Alliance leaning with sethrak like they did with nightborne and Horde
dense plover
they worked from the very first build
meager warren
fox bois
better wolf bois
walrus bois
snek bois
stoned bois
mogu bois
dense plover
the alliance have the same amount of interaction with the sethrakk as the horde does i thought
steel venture
sethrak / vulpera are pretty clear that they're being set up for a possible allied race
no
they dont
terse patrol
I cant wait for Hordies to feel the sting of helping a faction, only for them to go to the other faction.
dense plover
they both meet a faction of nice sethrakk
steel venture
alliance saves them multiple times
languid yoke
no in the first build they were not an NPC race
steel venture
horde only works with them out of convinence.
uncut vault
They donāt, Alliance save vorrik from a faithless camp, then save his life from poison
steel venture
^
uncut vault
Horde happens upon him in a cage
dense plover
it feels like those arent the evil sethrakk
steel venture
and the alliance have a forward camp in the region
strange falcon
Horde saves Serrik,alliance saves Vorrik
steel venture
right near the sethrak
dense plover
alliance have camps in each region
thats how the war campaign works
same with horde on kul tiras
yes they might ally with the sethrakk
steel venture
horde intimately works with the vulpera, but not so much with the sethrak.
dense plover
at least the not-evil ones
uncut vault
Yes and in the campaign they ally with the leader of the friendly sethrak
dense plover
they work with the sethrakk
strange falcon
Alliance interaction with sethrak ends at the temple of the devoted part of the questline,horde interaction continues for a bit,and ends in the confrontation with emperor korthek and the sand troll guy
terse patrol
dude peach
dense plover
and i dont think there is a rep for them on either side
terse patrol
Porter is in the beta
dense plover
i know
terse patrol
I think he gets it
strange falcon
i am in the alpha too peach
dense plover
im not arguing with porter
languid yoke
Horde gets Vulpera rep faction
uncut vault
There is no rep atm, correct, the alliance one is limited because of only having part one of the war campaign atm
terse patrol
tbh tho, if Horde do get Vulpera, the Alliance needs an equivalent.
languid yoke
or well, a Vol'dun faction
dense plover
they dont have to be from the same zone
meager warren
i want to see snek people, fox people, walrus people, jinyu, void orcs, and others
terse patrol
Weād need an allied race
dense plover
hell, quilboar seem more likely
rich apex
-if- the Horde gets vulpera
meager warren
we need SETHRAK
dense plover
they use the tauren skeleton
languid yoke
I think it was mentioned that every faction has 3 reps on their continent, a "war" rep faction on the entire other continent, 2 neutral reps and some gimmick like Kirin Tor
meager warren
FOR THE SETHRAK
steel venture
quilboar would be okay, but only ONE type of quilboar uses the tauren skeleton
ruby star
FOR THE QUEL'DOREI
dense plover
yeah
steel venture
and those are the giant brutes
dense plover
yep
rich apex
Vulpera still aren't confirmed, after all
terse patrol
Quillboar arent likeable tho
steel venture
the others use the old skeleto
strange falcon
stop drorith it's totally uncalled for
meager warren
FOR THE SNEK'DOREI
dense plover
not saying its confirmed in any way
languid yoke
apparently it's nonsense to refer to a reason using X skeleton
rich apex
And given KTs and Zandas probably aren't out until 7.1
dense plover
no it isnt
ruby star
@strange falcon No it's not
dense plover
thats the opposite of nonsense
terse patrol
I want Gnolls, but theyād fit better on the Horde.
rich apex
We might meet entirely new races in 7.1 or 7.2 or 7.3
dense plover
yep
languid yoke
because the new race animations are compatible with all races
rich apex
Of which one could be the Alliance counterpart
uncut vault
Sethrak use a modified Worgen skeleton tho
terse patrol
^
rich apex
8.3
dense plover
modified
rich apex
I mean
dense plover
also
languid yoke
which is why Kul Tirans use animations of like 3 different races
dense plover
almost all the sethrakk models have armor built in
rich apex
After all, we didn't meet Lightforged until 7.3
uncut vault
Just like vulpera use a modified goblin skeleton
dense plover
yeah
modified skeletons means its more likely
but if you have armor built in its less likely
they had to remake nightborne for that reason
steel venture
except
nightborne.
terse patrol
Weāll see
steel venture
and zandalari.
dense plover
zandalari are made
steel venture
they were entirely geosets before
dense plover
no
terse patrol
Tbh, I think Blizzard didnt expext Sethrak to be so well liked
uncut vault
There are naked sethrak models, just a matter of making them player customization models
steel venture
yyyyyyyyyyyyeah they did
dense plover
zandalari were created with allied races in mind
languid yoke
I want Gnolls
terse patrol
I want Gnolls ever since seeing them in Warcraft Traveler
dense plover
all of the zandalari npcs that arent super special have access to the same things as players
languid yoke
zandalari are based on the MoP zandalaris tho
dense plover
no they arent
languid yoke
yes they are
steel venture
steel venture
yes they are.
its both modified night elf male skeletons
strange falcon
if sethrak actually do come out,it will be my only alliance character
steel venture
dude
dense plover
no
dense plover
zandalari is a mix of the troll and night elf model
steel venture
its modified nelf male skeleton
dense plover
its a mix of two
steel venture
.-.
languid yoke
zandalari use nothing of the troll model
dense plover
the old zandalari were not that
dense plover
porter
steel venture
WALK INSIDE.
languid yoke
the PC zandalari use the same shit as the NPC Zandalari did
dense plover
back me up here
steel venture
ALL OF THE NPC ZANDALARI WALK LIKE NELF MEN
dense plover
yeah
steel venture
AND SIT LIKE NELF MEN.
dense plover
bottom half is nelf
languid yoke
they are of course remade like the nightborne
uncut vault
I think the point is, sethrak wouldnāt be the first race to be modified to become a player compatible model. It happened to nightborne, happened go Zandalari, if vulpera become a playable race it happened to them too
dense plover
top is troll
languid yoke
what
steel venture
you realize its a new animation system right?
languid yoke
they don't have the troll attack animations
steel venture
that means its even more likely.
languid yoke
they have completely new attack animations for unarmed
and nelf animations otherwise
steel venture
and, actually, zandalari men borrow more animations from male nightborne than male trolls
languid yoke
ya
steel venture
for the new models
languid yoke
gnoll female gives me hope
steel venture
hence why the stance is almost the same too
languid yoke
gnoll female bigger than male gnoll too
steel venture
***hyenas dont bark
terse patrol
I want to be able to spam hyena laughs as a gnoll.
dense plover
attack animations arent
just looked
the bottom half shares the same movement as night elf during 2H attack
but the top is not
its similar
but it doesnt match up
terse patrol
Gnolls for Horde.
steel venture
Might be a problem.
terse patrol
dark trolls for alliance 8)
grand grail
i think the gnolls would probably join the alliance
dense plover
what?
terse patrol
er
dense plover
tauren dont eat gnolls
grand grail
theyve been more associated with the alliance
dense plover
where the fuck is that coming from?
languid yoke
where would tauren even meet gnolls
terse patrol
Gnoll Wars @grand grail
steel venture
Yes they do. WoW: Traveler is canon m8.
grand grail
also we could get a reformed hogger as a faction leader
dense plover
is it?
terse patrol
Stormwind was almost destroyed by Gnolls before the First War
dense plover
they eat quilboar actually
sharp bluff
Reformed hogger? Nah
dense plover
there are no gnolls near tauren
terse patrol
Hogger for Horde leader.
grand grail
i kinda hope hogger gets revived by the old gods
languid yoke
hogger never dies
grand grail
so the corrupted hogger card becomes canon
languid yoke
just a minor setback
steel venture
Feralas and Desolace tauren eat gnolls.
grand grail
If we have an old god expac we better get a new hogger quest
sharp bluff
Hogger is like Saurfang, he canāt die lol
steel venture
And there are gnolls in mulgore too, but it wasn't 100% confirmed there in Traveler.
languid yoke
and Saurfang stays in alliance prison
grand grail
and have him be in the first zone of the new area but be max level
languid yoke
where Hogger is at
terse patrol
Murlocs are eaten by humans.
languid yoke
coincidence? I think not
languid yoke
Saurfang introduces gnolls to alliance confirmed
uncut vault
Iām disappointed they didnāt make hogger scale to max level
languid yoke
maybe it's not really hogger
grand grail
Saurfang marries anduin confirmed
steel venture
...yes there are gnolls in quilboar what
--
and quilboar*
in mulgore
like gnolls
terse patrol
Anyhow
terse patrol
According to lore, Gnolls are on average not very bright, but their main issue is lack of education
steel venture
man y'all tryin to say i'm not spouting out canon when y'all forget the basic, starting zone npcs of areas
terse patrol
The Darkmoon Faire gnoll speaks fluent common.
steel venture
https://twitter.com/Llorewalker/status/981271922875940864
^ also confirmation of the Traveler series being canon.
Twitter
terse patrol
^
sharp bluff
Quillboar, humans, sea people,trogs, forest critters?
steel venture
It's "told from a different perspective" because we're viewing it from the eyes of not really adventurers just, a bunch of kids.
terse patrol
Warcraft Travelerās second book confirmed that the new Forsaken lack free will.
terse patrol
Theyāre slaves to the Valākyr, and thus Sylvanas.
dense plover
well its also from npc pov
chronicles for example is not a pov book
its a direct explanation of lore
steel venture
Yeah, it's a band of kids going about and experiencing things and it documents their travels. Hence why Aram is an artist, so Blizzard could make in-universe sketches of concepts they didn't really fully explore before.
grand grail
the series better end with them getting ganked by a level 58 death knight
terse patrol
Ye. Its funny tho. Blizzard has to repeatedly say Warcraft Traveler is canon, because people like to say āKIDS BOOKā
When really itās a teen book.
An ogre dies bleeding from his eyes and nose after a scorpid sting.
Thatās not a kids book
steel venture
https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.net/wowpedia/a/af/Traveler_The_Bone_Pile.jpg?version=203e356f27e01055b75edf4ec44299f3
These minors mean buisness. //sagenod
(Yes they survive that.)
terse patrol
So yeah. Sylvanas isnāt āgiving people a second chance at life.ā Sheās enslaving them.
sharp bluff
I see a murloc, allied race š
steel venture
Also look at the variety of the skeletons!!! That's SUCH a rad detail, there's harpy, tauren, gnolls, quillboar, etc.
grand grail
Slyvannas is the new litch king tbh
terse patrol
Travelerās fun, because itās basically a story starring mostly races you never hear much from.
sharp bluff
Bolv is the new Lich King
terse patrol
It also confirmed that black humans hail from Stranglethorn.
steel venture
... If I recall the only member of Aram's group that like, isn't a minor is Makasa. She's 19, barely not a minor.
steel venture
That aren't like the supporting NPCs of the Wavecutter crew, I mean.
terse patrol
but yeah
Traveler also confirmed that the Quillboar have stopped attacking the Horde, and mostly keep to themselves after Cataclysm.
grand grail
Slyv is more of a litch king then bolv
steel venture
https://wow.gamepedia.com/File:Traveler-Bloodhorn.jpg
Oh right: Female tauren with a beard, btw.
terse patrol
Aka, they got beat into submission.
tropic trail
it's just lich, not litch btw
grand grail
Slyvs the one raising the scourge 2.0
grand grail
Is she trans?
grand grail
Im mildy pissed that female dwarfs cant have beards
steel venture
which are hairy to the max
grand grail
its the only thing in the tolkien stories thats never been stolen
sharp bluff
She has a title Banshee Queen, also we donāt know what Bolv is doing yet, so chances are he is behind it, he has been busy you know
terse patrol
Female Dwarves having beards was mostly retconned from D&D as well. @grand grail
terse patrol
nah, im ok with no beards for fem dwarves
grand grail
without it theyre just small humans that sound scottish
steel venture
https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.net/wowpedia/3/3e/Traveler_Yeti_and_Woodpaw_Feast.jpg?version=afe1a7d7a2dada8231ebb1182e41906c
Another example of Gnolls being pretty lax though in Traveler.
Able to chill with a Yeti without either of them killing one another.
sharp bluff
You make small Scottish women sound like a bad thing
grand grail
Its a great thing
sharp bluff
Lol
grand grail
im rollng a female dwarf monk just to type the accent
terse patrol
@steel venture Depends on the tribe
grand grail
I already use eejit and bloke daily so it wont be that hard for me
terse patrol
Gnolls are like people now. They have differing views between tribes.
grand grail
nah thats rascist
sharp bluff
Lol
sharp bluff
Ah yes, walking below the low wind lol
grand grail
its a shame that you cant say cunt in wow it really breaks the immersion as a scottish dwarf
terse patrol
Take off language filter
grand grail
wait
sharp bluff
Lol
grand grail
you can take off the language filter!?
sharp bluff
Ya
grand grail
omfg awesommeeee
sharp bluff
š¤£
steel venture
https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.net/wowpedia/d/db/Traveler_Drella.jpg?version=88dfc2d2b4ea4c3cba09a578f71e1da8
drella is still super cute
grand grail
:D
sharp bluff
Options are friends, not food
grand grail
I Wish we could play as those deer people
terse patrol
Dryads are literally born from acorns in WoW.
grand grail
like make a special kind that can shapeshift a human half or somethign
theyre like the only race i really really want even though im never gonna get it
terse patrol
Druids whisper to them about things they need to know over years.
Then they water them
And in seconds, dryad.
sharp bluff
Boom magic
steel venture
Yep! They're basically plants that look like people.
That does seem to be what Traveler is implying too, as Taryndrella literally bursts from the acorn from a flower and then the rest of her body forms from vines, then what looks like flesh, then her skin and fur.
terse patrol
Theyāre born fully adult tho
sharp bluff
I wonder what a dyrad a KT druid talks to would look like? Probably boney
steel venture
Aram comments on that.
terse patrol
There are no baby/kid dryads though
steel venture
They're not fully adults when they come out of the acorn, but they are old enough to defend themselves.
sharp bluff
They are like naga, only size changes
steel venture
He even mentions that she looks just like his age, which is around 12-13ish.
terse patrol
Teen dryads at most
But ye
Theyāre cool
I want playable dryads and keepers of the grove
sharp bluff
Doubt that, they work with the circle, which is neutral, and no more neutral races
steel venture
I prefer the Legion female satyr design more TBH.
The one that was going to be modeled but then was cut.
grand grail
i thought satyr was those red demon people
terse patrol
That was a nightmare satyr @steel venture
terse patrol
I want playable satyr for Horde
steel venture
like full coat of fur, fuzzy.
sharp bluff
Satyr and horde barely meet though
terse patrol
I wouldnt be surprised if there are communities of repentent satyrs
Uh
@sharp bluff ashenvale
steel venture
Oh there are repentant satyr.
sharp bluff
Who would recruit satyr anyways?
sharp bluff
No I mean who
terse patrol
Forsaken? Blood Elves?
terse patrol
They can literally use
The Draenei skeleton
So the Horde can get Horde āDraeneiā
steel venture
I'd assume who might recruit them actually would more likely be Tauren. As they do seem to wish to help "save" monsters at times. EX: It was Hamuul that petitioned for the Forsaken.
steel venture
^ THAT IS CANON.
sharp bluff
Hmmm I canāt see it, no alliance Tauren
steel venture
Grimtotem could easily go Alliance.
terse patrol
^
steel venture
They technically did during Cata for a period of time.
steel venture
Playable Satyr in general would be pretty damn nice.
And actually, correct me if I'm wrong but dont the new HD satyr use modified draenei and tauren animations anyway?
sharp bluff
But ya I canāt see a Tauren rig for alliance so idk
steel venture
Hm.
steel venture
Possible solution:
Horde Satyr and Alliance "Faun." (Keepers and dryads with two legs instead of four, based of the draenei skeleton as well.)
sharp bluff
Yaungol was which one again?
steel venture
The yakmen of Pandaria.
strange falcon
the pandaria tauren
terse patrol
@sharp bluff The warlike yaks from Pandaria
steel venture
TBH: The only reason I said draenei skeleton for ""Faun"" is because worgen men do not have upright animations.
Otherwise a slightly bulkier dryad-like woman borrowing a mixture from worgen female animations and female draenei animations I'd be up for.
... yknow if they fix the bugs in worgen female animations, which they have many times for other races thus far. sethrak, mantid, yadayada
sharp bluff
I know northrend ones are horde
steel venture
tbh im surprised WoW doesn't have like fauns as the "nice" counterpart to satyr though
since they usually are, mischevious still, but not likely to outright murder you
terse patrol
ehhhh
Traditionally, Fauns and Satyr are the same species
Its just a gender classification
Satyr arenāt murderous outside of WoW
Hearthstone may not be canon, but I do think it has signs of future intentions of the WoW team.
We saw Nāzoth in Hearthstone before anywhere else
I donāt think its a stretch to say that the Witchwood Hearthstone expac might have small ties to BFA.
who knows tho
steel venture
I wouldn't be surprised if Witchwood themes show up in Kul Tiras.
It is the same concept more or less, Victorian period inspired people vs monsters in daunting conditions, using everything they've got to defend themselves.
tropic trail
tortollians came from HS
steel venture
Just in the Gilnean case, it's the Worgen curse.
In the Kul Tiran case, it's their actual witch hunters.
tropic trail
I'm guessin they'll introduce night elf worgen in witchwood
steel venture
That wouldn't be a surprise in the slightest, we know they exist already.
They literally are the reason Gilneas became infected, Alpha Prime lead many of them into Gilneas to search for the Scythe.
dense plover
witchwood is thematically very similar to drustvar
but its very different lore wise
one is about witches
the other is about monsters
steel venture
I'd wager a good half of the worgen in the Bloodfang pack are night elves, but the Nightbane pack is entirely night elven. (The latter confirmed in Legion.)
steel venture
There's a lot of witch cards coming out of the Witchwood expac too, lol.
steel venture
That's what the undead nelf cards are.
dense plover
kul tirans are from gilneas
terse patrol
it is interesting tho
dense plover
they have the same origin for harvest witches
terse patrol
that there are Satyr in the Witchwood
terse patrol
terse patrol
They just dont look evil
dense plover
they dont have to be directly fel
steel venture
Well, it kind of makes sense though that there are female satyr.
Satyr were mostly highborne that made a pact with the legion.
dense plover
it makes sense
steel venture
There wasn't just male highborne, pff.
dense plover
we just havent seem them before
terse patrol
but ye
hollow dock
Azshara was a male highborne
steel venture
Legion Artbook also had a female satyr, but she was never implemented as a nightmare satyr model.
dense plover
^
hollow dock
there isn't any room that blizz has left open on that
terse patrol
#notalldemons
hollow dock
#allsaytrsmadebyLegionorthemselves
west relic
steel venture
Satyr kind of do their own thing most of the time though, it's usually malicious but at times its just mischief too.
hollow dock
Ohey Thulm
dense plover
uuhhhh
most satyrs do stuff that is relevant to the nightmare
which directly benefits the legion
imps are mischevious
terse patrol
@dense plover https://wow.gamepedia.com/Avrus_Illwhisper
hollow dock
They dont have to do stuff relevant to the Legion, but that doesn't change that all Saytrs are demons.
steel venture
EX: Zen Foulhoof basically plays a "prank" on you by making you go and kill some animals and then only gives you some crappy voodoo claws afterwards.
dense plover
exception to the rule
steel venture
It was only when Cataclysm came around that he actually grew a spine and tried killing more people and animals.
hollow dock
Foulhoof did a lot more than a 'prank'
steel venture
Out of all satyr you encounter at first though, he was one of the more pathetic.
Until Cataclysm promoted him to an actual threat, basically.
hollow dock
In which Avrus is the only saytr that actually did want to redeem his evil self and corruption.
steel venture
He was a known nuisance, lurking outside of Dolanaar ... but they never actually kill him until Cataclysm.
:T
hollow dock
It just further proves our point; Saytrs are all inherently evil and are demons. They were made by the Legion.
steel venture
So it's more like the dickweed that didn't go away till he tried to poison wildlife in Darkshore after that and we actually finally kill him after letting him sit and snicker over his actions for too long.
terse patrol
I dont think its out of the question to meet good satyrs. Or at least, Satyrs who aren't wholey evil.
Remember, all Worgen were baddies before Cata.
hollow dock
If they aren't, they are most likely like Avrus.
Yes because those worgen were FERAL
and they still are 'baddies' in Cata, the Gilneans just bring them to heel.
terse patrol
let me DREAM
If evil cannibal alchemist undead can be playable in the Horde, Satyr can be.
:L
hollow dock
The evil cannibal alchemist undead that are playable are only that way because theyre under a faction leader.
steel venture
Avurus only was able to change back into a night elf due to him literally expecting to DIE when he ripped out his own heart. But his behavior made him trustworthy enough to stay at a sentinel outpost under careful supervision.
They were humoring his pleas.
hollow dock
War of the Saytr canonically ends by shattering the Saytr race into fragments and small 'covens'
steel venture
Satyr never really had unified leadership since the War of the Satyr.
hollow dock
Xavius is the closest thing you can say to any form of Leadership
steel venture
The fact that it's broken into fragmented covens means that there might be a group that is more horde-like and possibly recruitable.
ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
but that's just my two cents.
steel venture
the only playable demon that could occur will most likely be satyr, due to them not really having any direct leadership and their methods not being something the Alliance would take
hollow dock
The saytr have attacked both sides. Why would you recruit them in?
terse patrol
I dont see how its impossible
hollow dock
Illidari demons broke free of the fel corruption tha tbound them into th legion
terse patrol
illidari demons are still fel tho
steel venture
Arcane in general seems to do that to Satyr, tbh.
terse patrol
they literally use warlock magics
hollow dock
Warlock Magics=/=Fel. As half of being a warlock is using shadow as well.
steel venture
It's just in their nature post-transformation though to be a giant dick, as the Crystalsong satyrs are totally arcane---but still assholes.
cause
satyr in general
are assholes
in basically everything they're in
dense plover
horde would never recruit demons
dense plover
we dont recruit demons
steel venture
Illidari.
sullen dagger
syke
dense plover
theyre close
hollow dock
Shivarra
steel venture
Demon hunters are demons, there's like no way around it.
You don't consume a demonic heart and not become a demon.
hollow dock
and the other demons
hollow dock
DHs aren't
dense plover
canonically illidan was very close
hollow dock
but we're not talking about DHs
dense plover
but he wasnt
dense plover
thats a demon
hollow dock
Shivarra
steel venture
And the Illidari demons as well are more or less just, "meh we're here for shits dude."
Malevolence turned away from Sargeras because she thought he was boring.
dense plover
illidari recruit demons
hollow dock
Despite the lore saying the Shivarra broke free of their fel corruption that bound themselves to the Legion, Honk is saying that didn't happen.
hollow dock
and not even just the Shivarra, but all demons that joined Illidan
hollow dock
Chronicles retcons that Peach
dense plover
the naga faction the illidari recruit
no, i thought the ones at black temple were different
hollow dock
The group of naga sent to Illidan was sent because of Azshara and N'zoth
dense plover
yeah
hollow dock
That includes Lady Vashj
dense plover
but arent the ones in the class hall a different faction?
steel venture
The Coilskar are from Zangarmarsh too.
steel venture
Lady Vashj led multiple tribes prior to her death.
dense plover
they waited years for the illidari to return?
terse patrol
We await to see if they'll still be loyal to the Illidari
hollow dock
I think it was more 'They had no real other choice but to wait'
hollow dock
Like they all were stuck on Marduun for ages
dense plover
oh
terse patrol
Mistress Malevolence is waifu tho
steel venture
Basically every other outland naga tribe was lead by Lady Vashj.
dense plover
i wonder if years on marduun changed them
hollow dock
Yup
dense plover
maybe they actually DID break away from the main naga force
steel venture
It could have, Naga aren't stupid.
dense plover
especially since we fight naga and they still help
hollow dock
My personal headcanon is that they decided N'zoth and Azshara was not worth it.
dense plover
well
steel venture
We've seen Naga that have worked with us before.
hollow dock
And the Illidari are the only allies they had
dense plover
the illidari at least came back for them
hollow dock
and still have
terse patrol
I suspect that not all Naga are evil. but who knows.
terse patrol
I know there's that one naga sea witch who was in love with a gnome lol
dense plover
theyre just loyal to azshara
and she is evil
but the ones on marduum may have broken away
hollow dock
Whatever their -original- mission was, I think we can safely assume they ditched the mission and stuck with the Illidari
dense plover
considering they spent years stuck on marduun
terse patrol
I think when we do attack Nazjatar in BFA, we might meet some rebels. We knows though.
who knows*
steel venture
Skar'this the Heretic
Meridith the Mermaiden
Veehja.
terse patrol
I feel like not all Naga might be OK with being slaves to an Old God.
hollow dock
We assume the same
Unlike demons, they're not addicted by a substance to keep em in check
steel venture
The entirety of the Vashj'elan tribe as well didn't seem aggressive until the Bilgewater Cartel started actually attacking them, mistaking them for the ones who were killing goblins.
terse patrol
I think if there are rebels, they'll say they love their queen, but understand she's mad.
steel venture
They even stood down when the goblins abducted their hatchlings and threatened to harm them.
Which shows much more well, humanity in Naga than we typpically think they don't have.
steel venture
My naga characters that I roleplay respect Queen Azshara, but they will admit that the Empire is going to die because of her actions.
dense plover
well
those naga were still associated with the old gods though
they had big tentacles
terse patrol
I still really want playable Naga. Metzen wanted them too, but
dense plover
and an old god monster
steel venture
They were strangely being lead by a n'raqi, which leads me to believe the Vashj'elan tribe might've been reprimanded or something?
dense plover
its unclear
steel venture
No naga comes to actually help him either when he shows himself to fight the player. Despite them having the naga actually emote at your presence during that short questline.
dense plover
early game story is a bit of a mess
steel venture
I do like Veehja as a good example of your average loyalist naga's attitude though towards getting help from other races.
She snubs you, a lot. But she doesn't outright kill you.
The Kvaldir are more important to be killed than her to actually bother threatening a land-dweller.
terse patrol
ye
We'll likely get a faction of naga who are like
"look, these guys beat every other world ending threat. I think we're safe to side with them."
I'm just waiting for a faction that joins us for that reason.
"This guys clearly got plot armor"
steel venture
If Blizzard stops hating neutral races with a passion, I could see naga working as the "neutral" slot for an entirely new race. And that doesn't mean Allied race, as a naga wouldn't fit into the mechanical structure for an Allied race.
There is not a very difficult way to have two tribes that view the Alliance and Horde as something they could find similar ground with, as we've seen traits in their culture that could swing one way or the other.
Night elves haven't really protested heavily to death knights, demon hunters, and now void elves.
So I doubt the old blood feud would be much of an issue Alliance-side.
Flip the faction leader genders from the Pandaren ones as well IMO.
A male, upstart warlord for the Alliance---With no direct control of a matirarch over his tribe he's become surprisingly diplomatic. (In place of Aysa being a female leader on the Alliance.)
A female, brash and harsh sea witch for the Horde. She is used to surviving anyway possible, and her tribe depends on her war-oriented mindset to survive, she is not against getting blood on her claws.
dense plover
No way alliance would ever ally with naga
They wouldnāt trust
The night elves would have trust issues
Draenei donāt like them either
Donāt forget all the humans theyāve screwed over
If naga ever happen, they will go horde
steel venture
We have undead murder machines that aren't what they were in life, fel-infused monsterous hunters that barely resemble elves now, and blatantly void-infused elves.
dense plover
Because horde is the faction of second chances
Deathknights are a class, not a race
steel venture
Why wouldn't Naga work at this point in time if they clearly aren't Azshara-loyal?
:T
dense plover
Naga might happen after killing azshara
hollow dock
And the horde is essentially made up of nothing but migrating murder hobos
dense plover
That would be the most likely
And horde is misfits
Alliance wouldnāt accept naga
And even if they did
The naga might not want to go there
steel venture
If you have to mention night elves and naga---okay, but what about the darkspear then?
dense plover
Oh they definitely hate them too
steel venture
the darkspear literally were tortured for years due to that sea witch, if you're gonna use one race to try to block it out you can't ignore the other