I think they could do a diff version of Kor'Kron
#beta-ptr-spoilers
tranquil steeple
jade basalt
One is also from TBC while the other is from MoP :p
jade basalt
Ya
It's the typical "orc armor" seen in almost every cinematic. Even in the Blizzcon/HotS stuff. https://i.pinimg.com/736x/44/f6/83/44f68321fc461d79021b1b7cc2f6e776--fantasy-art-the-arts.jpg
hollow dock
Mogriiiiiiiiiiiiiin
lusty latch
and they need more capes design models. One sided, scarfs, even back armor for mail and plates
jade basalt
Just, real cloaks. Shoulder cloaks. For people saying it only works for Human soldiers, orcs actually have them as well.
https://orig00.deviantart.net/7d1e/f/2014/116/9/6/warcraft___orc_gladiator_by_samwisedidier-d7g37sa.jpg
https://orig00.deviantart.net/f568/f/2014/116/3/4/warcraft___a_lion_among_wolves_by_samwisedidier-d7g4xqx.jpg
hollow dock
thousands of capes
tranquil steeple
that first pic reminds me of Rexxar, just instead of actually being Rexxar... some random orc copying him
hollow dock
Im like 10% sure that's early ceoncept of rexxar
cuz that is the spitting armor of him
hollow dock
nvmwc3 came out in 2002
tranquil steeple
oh... fuck
tranquil steeple
Guess they took inspiration from Rexxar
and tried to see how it could work in WoW
hollow dock
that's a possibility
tranquil steeple
I mean, I'd actually love for that to be the heritage armor
It's fairly simple and fits Orcs perfectly imo
tranquil steeple
The Blademaster beads, yea
Maybe if there's enough people that want it we can get it, I mean, tell me it's not just me who noticed some inspiration drawn from WC3 with the BfA cinematic
With how everybody looked
(and now I suddenly wanna make a Dark Ranger hero in the World Editor with inspiration from Sylvanas in the cinematic... damnit)
rich apex
Alliance plate tho 😩 😩 😩
hollow dock
BUGS
mint arch
🐛
ruby star
Looks like I'll have another shot at an alpha invite hopefully
hollow dock
where?
tulip torrent
up in the chat
the one with the red background
it looks like the orc from the cinematic
tulip torrent
fast question
hollow dock
so we were just spitballing ideas
tulip torrent
i saw the info about raid testing
for someone to go that someone needs alpha access right
rich apex
Yes
tulip torrent
does that mean that there will be an alpha wave ?
strange falcon
think so
ruby star
Yep
hollow dock
Nothing is confirmed but it seems to be.
tulip torrent
can that mean that bfa will go into beta stage
ruby star
but the chances of getting an invite is very low
tulip torrent
raid testing is quite advanced for alpha if you ask me
hollow dock
You weren't around for Legion or WoD were ya? They tested raids all through Alpha and Beta )
tulip torrent
i got a wod beta
too close to the launch
for legion i went when it was already beta
i wasnt paying attention for the alpha news back then
tulip torrent
that dmg seems pretty high for the alpha squish
tulip torrent
gz
ruby star
gz @rich apex was that from last Fridays wave?
wild pewter
Gz!
tulip torrent
ppl say that the email is like 1 week late or more
so check your launcher regularly
hollow dock
Not that we know of. Blizz did not mention a wave going out
hollow dock
Hyper got into the Alpha tho Peach =D
dense plover
I play brewmaster monk
ruby star
I suspect the wave will go out when the raid update is put or something
ruby star
I'm pretty sure we'll get a wave of alpha invites next build then on fridaty as they get waves out every friday and then on the day of the raid testing
tulip torrent
what is the point of giving access on the day they test the raid
dont we need to level up first ?
dense plover
No
When they enable raid testing they’ll also enable a 120 boost or something
Or the raid will scale you
tulip torrent
so this means that the max lvl will be 120 ?
ruby star
I think tehy will scale you up
dense plover
We already knew that
tulip torrent
i mean the max lvl you can level up to
dense plover
But I don’t think they will let you be 120 in the world
So no
Probably not
Usually it scales you up
But you still need to make a group
Raiders who raid regularly are generally invited in the raid testing waves
hollow dock
Theyve already said int he post that we will be scaled up to 120 in the raid.
hollow dock
Yea. We can get scaled up to ilvl 1000 and 119 or some shit on Live.
copper tapir
Is there a discord or anything for Alpha or is this the best resource? I have a MW monk I'm playing on that thing, but it's crazy empty. I waited for an hour to heal a dungeon the other day, lol.
WTB Alpha friends.
That I can heal for.
hollow dock
there is no specific discord for the alpha no
You just hav to look around hte old fashion way rather than wait for a que
copper tapir
I know, it's terrible. I wish I could invite my pocket tank or something, lol
All two of the people in Drustvar were too busy leveling solo.
strange falcon
ah so that's the problem
you're playing alliance
i see a ton of people everyday on zandalar
hollow dock
See the real problem is that people dont have an appreciation for The Witcher
and so roll horde thinking Road to Eldorado is better
copper tapir
lol yeah that's fair. Maybe it's the faction. I main Horde so I was playing Ally on the Alpha to avoid spoiling the launch excitement.
hollow dock
I dont even bother to play on the alpha for that reason
copper tapir
I've tested out the last 4 or so, still always enjoy the heck out of launch.
Gotta nab them bugs and make sure my specs are doing alright. lol
misty blaze
i hope i get an invite to alpha i wanna test the new raid
wild pewter
Is Gilneas set to appear in BFA does anyone know?
hollow dock
have you done the hillsbrad quests for horde?
Blight can take up to hundreds of years to clear up and be livable again
wild pewter
🙄
Different note, possible Mogu Allied Race? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFENH69jqKA&feature=youtu.be&t=328
strange falcon
mogu allied race 🤔
dense plover
i dont think he was talking about mogu as allied race
he mentions the tortollans too
mogu are just on zandalar and matter
so its relevant
hollow dock
Alright so before we go any further
dense plover
theyve been adding little quests to the storyline that explain why they are there
they added a few one or two builds ago
hollow dock
my knowledge is they appear with Zul to take over Rasta and then later appear on island expeditions
ruby star
arn't Mogu here cause of Zul?
hollow dock
Didn't Zul like promise them that taking over Zandalar would give them their glorious empire he promised them and they listened cuz Zul promised them such a thing?
Something along those lines?
dense plover
i think they expanded on it
not fully sure off the top of my head
also, i wouldnt be surprised if they do become a sticking point in some way assuming Zul doesnt die in the first raid
hollow dock
All I remember is discussing this with someone and we both came to the conclusion that it mostly feels like side quest stuff.
dense plover
i think its going to be a big deal in the first major patch
hollow dock
If it is that's great. But at the moment, it feels more like it's just a slight inconvenience
dense plover
yeah
i think thats more the fact that a lot of Zul's story has been left out of the other two zones
he has stuff going on in both of the other zones according to broadcast text
but it isnt in yet
the same kind of goes for jaina in Kul Tiras
jade basalt
The mogu on Zandalar ? They just show up in one quest chain where you learn that they're Zul's servants, whom he used as a distraction (you go there to deal with the mogu who have taken control of Zuldazar Harbor, meanwhile Zul revealed his game to the Zandalari)
dense plover
yeah, but theyve been adding some quests to explain their prescence a bit
and it might make sense to keep them around
especially considering theres like 5 minutes of combat voice lines
uncut vault
Zul dies before the first raid, and is rezzed as an old god crazy in the raid
uncut vault
Rastakhan kills him
jade basalt
Thats because the mogu also show up on island expeditions. Lots of voice work.
uncut vault
It’s disappointing
jade basalt
I doubt he'll be rezzed a 2nd time
dense plover
no, i mean he might not die in uldir
or in his death, he summons hakkar
something with hakkar
now is literally the best time to finish his story
jade basalt
They said that G'Huun and Hakkar were completely unrelated.. which is honestly dumb, could've been a nice tie-in.
jade basalt
Zul is related to Hakkar ?
hollow dock
He's the one who ordered his taming back in Cata.
before he slunk off to never be heard from again
distant folio
hmm no
distant folio
wait what?
dense plover
Zul wanted Hakkar to be summoned in Cata
so the Zandalari could control him
and use him as a weapon
distant folio
what??????
dense plover
but its kind of clear that Zul is actually working for the old gods
what do you mean what
thats the story from cata
distant folio
do you have any source for that?
distant folio
could I have them?
dense plover
cutscenes?
hollow dock
Yea. The cataclysm troll dungeon patch?
dense plover
chronicles?
distant folio
really interested in this
dense plover
volume 3 brings this up
dense plover
hollow dock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfoCq-RssLk the actual trailer
dense plover
Hakkar would be an easy tie in
hollow dock
Zul ordered up for Hakkar to be bound.
distant folio
none of the pages mention anything about zul being hakkars servant
hollow dock
Peach misspoke on that
dense plover
^
distant folio
so whats the truth?
dense plover
he wanted to control and use hakkar
hollow dock
Zul wanted to enslave hakkar
distant folio
wowpedia does not mention that either
hollow dock
distant folio
you might be confusing him with another troll
hollow dock
again here.
distant folio
he does not say that in the video?
hollow dock
Watch to the end
dense plover
^
hollow dock
where he summons up a visage of Hakkar
he is the one who sends Jin'do to enslave and break Hakkar
dense plover
^^^
distant folio
I cant find anything about this.
hollow dock
Did you not want to watch the full video?
distant folio
it says it was jin'do himself who did it
distant folio
at the end of the video there is a puff of smoke with hakkar's visage showing up, yes. how do you go from that to "zul is the servant of hakkar" (which you said was wrong alright) or "jin'do was sent by zul"?
dense plover
"Some time later, the Zandalari trolls under Zul united most of the tribes and aided in restoring Zul'Gurub to its former glory for the purpose of rebuilding the old troll empire. They hoped to use Hakkar in order to wage war on the other races of Azeroth, to save their kind from destruction."
hollow dock
the entirety of patch 4.1 is Zul
distant folio
I literally said "(which you said was wrong alright)"
dense plover
the point is
hollow dock
so why bring it up? o.o
distant folio
So i have acknowledged that
dense plover
Zul is related to Hakkar story wise
distant folio
I cant find a source for that statement "Some time later, the Zandalari trolls under Zul united most of the tribes and aided in restoring Zul'Gurub to its former glory for the purpose of rebuilding the old troll empire. They hoped to use Hakkar in order to wage war on the other races of Azeroth, to save their kind from destruction."
hollow dock
You can go and do the dungeon
dense plover
the game is the source
hollow dock
and see for yourself
dense plover
^^^
distant folio
whose voice lines?
hollow dock
Jin'do.
dense plover
^
hollow dock
Whom was sent by Zul
dense plover
from the dungeon
hollow dock
because the whole resurgance is because of Zul
and his Zandalari
as said in the trailer we posted like three times
tulip sun
I just realized something
distant folio
We know Jin'do wanted to enslave Hakkar, yes. How does that relate to Zul? Who said Jin'do did that on order of Zul? There is no source for that, sounds more like your idea
hollow dock
Because of the trailer.
Where he says 'The power we'll soon unleash'
'WE'LL SOON UNLEASH'
WE
together
dense plover
dude
hollow dock
the whole group of trolls
tulip sun
All vicious war mounts have flsgs...how is that dark hound a vicious war mount without a flag? Could it simply replace the one headed lava beast as racial mount?
hollow dock
Do you see why I called the moderator the last time he did this?
dense plover
if you dont want to listen, you can go away
tulip sun
I don't see anyone doing anything wrong. -points to his above mount talk-
hollow dock
I think it has to do with the but string Kham
dense plover
we gave you the story behind it, we explained it, and then you try to argue against a fact
all viscious mounts dont have flags
tulip sun
What do you mean but string?
dense plover
just a lot of them
tulip sun
I thought they did?
distant folio
How is this even related to the time you called the moderators? "The time you called the moderators" you were delibaretly trolling. Here I am honestly asking for a source regarding Zul/Hakkar because I literally cant find any on Wowpedia or Google, this is an honest discussion but you are getting angry on your own.
hollow dock
Buy string*
tulip sun
Which don't have flags
hollow dock
We've told you where.
tulip sun
Oh...ok
distant folio
we gave you the story behind it, we explained it, and then you try to argue against a fact
I am not arguing against the fact, I am asking for a source for your facts..
hollow dock
It is in game and in the trailer we linked to you
dense plover
in the mother-flipping dungeon
tulip sun
I was worried there for a second
hollow dock
We have told you, go to the dungeon in game. Which is Zul'gurub
dense plover
Zul sends Jindo there to summon Hakkar
hollow dock
We have told you to go and watch the trailer.
dense plover
theres also the nobbel video
hollow dock
Which Zul specifically references Hakkar
dense plover
^
hollow dock
Nobbels video also tells you the same story we're telling you
hollow dock
and he uses the same sources we do
dense plover
^^^
hollow dock
which is the Trailer, and gameplay
dense plover
if you dont want to listen to the answer, thats not our problem
dense plover
^
distant folio
"in the mother flipping dungeon"
Right, but where? I had to ask. Then you said "the voice lines". I had to ask whose. Then you said "Jin'do's". Who does not have any voiceline regarding Zul. https://wow.gamepedia.com/Jin'do_the_Godbreaker
I am literally just asking honest questions all the time because you wouldn't bother being more precise than "just play the game", thats why I ask questions. And even then your answer does not seem to be correct, Jin'do has no voice line related to Zul. ^
distant folio
Right.
dense plover
Jin'do the Godbreaker yells: Now, have a taste of Jin'do's true powah!
Jin'do cackles as he transports everyone into the spirit realm where Hakkar is imprisoned.
Spirit of Hakkar yells: Your deceit is unforgivable, Jin'do. You spit in the face of a god!
Defeated
Spirit of Hakkar yells: You overstepped your bounds, Jin'do. You toy with powers that are beyond you. Have you forgotten who I am? Have you forgotten what I can do?
Jin'do the Godbreaker yells: No... NOOOO!
Hakkar destroys Jin'do, leaving behind a battered corpse.
Spirit of Hakkar yells: Be freed, insects. I will deal with you another time.
Hakkar returns the heroes back to the mortal realm.
Unused quotes
Die!
how is that not evidence?
he summons hakkar
and then he tries to bind him
distant folio
This is evidence for Jin'do breaking Hakkar, we knew that already.
dense plover
and the zul evidence is from the trailer
hollow dock
In which we reference, AGAIN, the patch 4.1 trailer
dense plover
he sends jindo there
hollow dock
Which is ZUL the ZANDALARI whom is causing a RESURGANCE of the trolls.
HE sends off people to do the dirty work in THEIR lands
to prove that they are worhty of the Zandalari
that is why we go and stop them
dense plover
"The Zandalar tribe led by a mysterious prophet Zul called representatives from all tribes for a meeting in Zandalar. The prophet stated that troll civilization is nearing extinction and calls for war and unity of the troll race, with intention of forging a new empire. Jin'do and his followers gladly accepted the offer.
Later in Zul'Gurub Jin'do, now styled Godbreaker, is wrestling Hakkar into submission, holding him by spirit chains, stripping out his power into himself. The only way to stop the invincible Jin'do now is to release the captive upon the captor.[4] Upon destroying the spiritual chains holding the Soulflayer in place, Hakkar turns upon Jin'do, and utterly destroys him, leaving only the corpse of Jin'do the Broken. Hakkar then returns the adventurers to the mortal realm, promising to deal with them another time, before vanishing."
distant folio
He says "jin'do, do you want to see your kingdom restored?"
tulip sun
I just watched this great video on Sylvanas...
dense plover
its a pretty straight forward puzzle
tulip sun
-suggests vris should watch it-
hollow dock
Great and Sylvanas dont fit together without Villain in there
distant folio
I think you guys are misunderstanding me.
- I know that Jin'do tried to enslave Hakkar, thank you for all the evidence that you brought up regarding this subject but that is already known.
- I know Zul sent Jin'do to retake Zul'Gurub as well, nothing about telling him to enslave Hakkar or whatever.
tulip sun
Look up on YouTube or Google and it should come up
distant folio
It looks like he did that on his own.
tulip sun
Sylvanas is a benevolent leader
distant folio
(Jin'do)
hollow dock
Despite the fact that Zul specifically references HAKKAR
as powers THEY are soon to UNLEASH
again in the Patch 4.1 trailer
dense plover
like
it isnt just an effect
that fire spirit thing is actual lore
the trolls can do that
hollow dock
That is a visage of Hakkar.
dense plover
^
its part of the reason the horde knows to go there
because the darkspear go
see the visage
and then tell the horde
hollow dock
and theyre like 'Yea no we're not messing with Hakkar of all gods'
distant folio
The darkspear saw the visage?
hollow dock
Yes
dense plover
yeah
hollow dock
the troll walking away
dense plover
in the fucking trailer
hollow dock
is VOl'jin
dense plover
^
hollow dock
you didn't watch the trailer at all
distant folio
he walked away before the visage showed up though
dense plover
clearly
he walks away
but he saw it
he doesnt teleport
its a huge flaming visage
hollow dock
It doesn't take much to look back and see a visage of hakkar
dense plover
and he isnt the only darkspear
hollow dock
The trolls send more than just their lore leaders there
they send entire groups to this
The darkspear return with the knowledge that Zul wants to use Hakkar. and unleash him.
thsi leaks to alliance and bam. Alliane and horde against trolls
distant folio
You claimed that Vol'jin saw the visage.
What actually happened is that Vol'jin walked away. Then Zul threw something in the fire and Hakkar's face appeared above the bonfire.
I think there's a bit of a difference between these two statements.
distant folio
The other darkspear walked away with him, however.
But I agree
The visage and "power we'll unleash" is pretty weird, it doesn't seem to be referenced anywhere else in lore
I mean a Zul-Hakkar link
hollow dock
Because it doesn't need to be referenced anywhere.
hollow dock
It's right there in full plain sight and is noted as a source
distant folio
I mean, it kinda does. If Zul's endgame was to summon Hakkar you'd imagine it'd be mentioned somewhere in the game.
Its weird that it isnt
is my point
distant folio
Yeah I meant, then.
It'd be like if Azshara's endgame was never mentioned anywhere ingame.
dense plover
his endgame is clearly tied to the old gods at this point
so anyone that helps is worth it
distant folio
It is now, yea.
dense plover
he went to isle of thunder to learn to summon a king
so he could summon dazar
remove rastakhan
and then open the final seal
hollow dock
he went to Zul'gurub/Zul'aman to learn to summon a god
hollow dock
Damn they really planned that out
distant folio
Vris - Aujourd'hui à 23:29
he went to Zul'gurub/Zul'aman to learn to summon a god
oh?
dense plover
its all related to getting nzoth free
distant folio
is that from the tablets? i recall the "rez a king" thing but not that.
dense plover
because the vision from the cataclysm was wrong
hollow dock
The summoning of Hakkar and in Zul'aman the summoning of the loa.
and re-binding them
dense plover
zandalar doesnt sink, though his vision said it would
hollow dock
Sounds like void mischief to me
hollow dock
The wrong vision. An event that never happens.
hollow dock
Trying to prevent something that will never happen
dense plover
and he does all of these things that end up helping nzoth in some way
even a little
distant folio
Theres one tablet about going to Zul'Drak, one about going to Pandaria to learn to rez a king, the third one is about...?
dense plover
until Zul objectively wants to help nzoth
hollow dock
I cant say. I never read all the tablets.
distant folio
Wait I dont think we know zul already served nzoth back then, I believe its a new thing, post-cataclysm
though his vision might have been manipulated
hollow dock
We're thinking that back then the vision he received was from N'zoth
and Zul didn't realize it
hollow dock
yea all conjecture atm
distant folio
No no I mean Zul serving N'zoth, thats the new thing. I dont think it states he was serving N'Zoth back then. At least not knowingly, i.e his visions still could've been manipulated.
hollow dock
Yes.
distant folio
ah alright
hollow dock
100%
dense plover
we agree
we are saying he was unknowlingly serving him
because of the false vision
but now he is knowingly serving him
hollow dock
And he's using his information that he's gathered to wage a war unlike any other on Zandalar
dense plover
probably because rastakhans "lack of action" pissed off Zul
hollow dock
Knowing how to resurrect a powerful king to full power
Knowing how to bring a god into our world
dense plover
and that kind of hatred opens you up to the voices of an old god
hollow dock
Knowing how to raise the dead to do his bidding. So on so forth.
I gotta say, good job blizz.
You didn't let this villain go to waste.
distant folio
So yeah sorry about this "exchange" earlier but I was not trolling, I was asking honest questions, it's just that I had to ask a lot to get there cause you guys sometimes are not easy to work with.
Source? Play the game.
Where? Zul'Gurub.
Where in Zul'Gurub? Voice lines.
Whose voice lines? Jin'do.
Ah finally. Wait, Jin'do doesnt mention anything about Zul. Is it really all based on the face in the smoke?
And so on. So me asking all these questions wasnt in a trollish (heh) behavior, I was really just looking for the source, but had to keep asking questions to get them.
dense plover
sorry
hollow dock
my bad
dense plover
we are used to assuming people know all the lore
and some people watch this idiot named Pyro
who spouts bullshit
hollow dock
If you think we're difficult, Pyro is a new kind of difficult.
distant folio
I am new to wow (well, since MoP, not sure thats so new anymore). But yes I honestly do not understand how Pyromancer has so many followers.
dense plover
because of clickbait
hollow dock
It isn't, but for the full story of WoW, yea its pretty new
distant folio
I see people listing him in their favorite "lore masters" next to Lost Codex and Nobbel and im like... no
hollow dock
Me and Peach will make sure to further elaborate on everything pre-MoP
if its mentioned that is
dense plover
the best thing to say is "could you elaborate? I didnt play back then, so I dont have context"
this cant be interpretted incorrectly
so we will know you are being serious
we have to deal with trolls
dense plover
so generally we have a tendency to get defensive
hollow dock
cuz we passionate about our lore
distant folio
"could you elaborate? I didnt play back then, so I dont have context"
"just play the game"
(I am kidding/teasing)
All good
dense plover
generally we will explain
unless we cant play the thing and dont know the specifics
grand grail
how differnet is the plot for the horde and alliance gonna be in bfa
are the kel thuras and zandalar stories gonna be self containted until later on they combine
dense plover
two completely different stories
grand grail
im guessing its gnna turn out that a specefic old god is manipulating both countries
dense plover
and its not as full a storyline compared to the quest lines
pretty much
bit of uniting your island and cleaning up the mess
bit of old gods everywhere
first raid is old gods
second is naga/old gods
so....
dense plover
unlikely
they arent relevant to the current story
vulpera are more likely than tuskarr
grand grail
i wouldnt be surprised if in litch king 2 the horde get the vrykrul and the alliance get tuskarr
well dranor orcs arent that relevant
distant folio
oh? i thought they were neutral
grand grail
the vrykrul have always worked with the horde
dense plover
they are
grand grail
and hate humans
grand grail
im guessing vrykrul might be like panderan
distant folio
the vrykul have always worked with the horde?
grand grail
like you play as a neutral tribe or something
dense plover
honestly vrykul and tuskarr arent even on the current shortlist for allied races
i can think of a bunch that make more sense waaaaay before those two
hollow dock
like ***H I G H E L V E S *** monkaS
hollow dock
it was a yoke
dense plover
and high elves arent currently story relevant
distant folio
Vrykul would have made a lot of sense to be a part of those Legion-races which joined us after we helped them (highmountain tauren from highmountain, nightborne from suramar... vrykul from stormheim). We saved them from the legion and everything, they could have joined, sya, the alliance. But the devs visibly decided they didnt want to (probably because they knew kul tiran humans were coming), so they had the god queen say that "ourp oeple will never be allies" or something like that
distant folio
Yeah
hollow dock
Well not the god queen. Specifically that fishing village in Suramar that we save from Naga.
All the other Vrykul stay loyal to Odin or the Legion
distant folio
pretty sure it was the god queen, in the mage tower questline
forgot her name
sigryn
hollow dock
Oh if it was in the mage tower then Im unaware.
Im just speaking of that village we find in Suramar.
hollow dock
cuz people keep referencing it. despite her kicking us out after we save the place
distant folio
ah the quest where you become a jarl?
hollow dock
Ye
distant folio
were we kicked out? i dont remember. wasnt the lady revealed to be a villain or something?
hollow dock
Yea she was a disgusied villain
after we kill her and save the real Jarl to be, she kicks us out.
distant folio
hmm im having memories of her saying that she'd be the leader while we're away
so not kicked out
hollow dock
or something or another. cuz I k now I get attacked by going there
distant folio
i might be wrong
I think she does say that she'll be in charge while youre away doing adventures or something
something like that
was a long time ago
tropic trail
we talking about vrykuls possibility as an allied race?
dense plover
yeah she doesnt kick us out
the correct leader takes over
and says we are welcome any time
its just that some of the evil vrykul spawns are still evil vrykul spawns after the questline
but the village is not
distant folio
There you go!
ruby star
High Elves make 100% logical sense to become an allied race at SOME point in the future 😄
distant folio
@tropic trail I think they could have been but Sigryn makes it complicated now, cause she said our peoples will never be allies. But, I guess, since she says that in 1 quest, from the mage tower, so with like maybe 1% of the gaming population (exaggerating) having seen it, or the devs, they might not see that as much of a blocage
tropic trail
to be fair, before legion launched, blizzard said that nightborn wouldn't ever be playable
hollow dock
yea but Vrykul also need a lot more work on them.
tropic trail
true
wild pewter
What setting do you guys have your NPC names on? Quest NPC only or above?
hollow dock
No names unless I target em
tropic trail
I'd bet they'd be a full race instead of an allied race
grand grail
i like seeing them all
hollow dock
names are annoying for screenshots
distant folio
@tropic trail "to be fair, before legion launched, blizzard said that nightborn wouldn't ever be playable"
do you have a source for that
(genuine question)
hollow dock
I believe it was touched upon at Blizzcon of the same year it was launched
I could be wrong on that
grand grail
how do you join the beta?
ruby star
You can tick for beta, on the beta prefence profile setting page https://eu.battle.net/account/management/beta-profile.html and then if your lucky you'll get invited, or for beta you can get keys of streamers some times, but for Alpha it's invites only by Blizzard you can't really apply for alpha invites
grand grail
do i have to own bfa
hollow dock
No
hollow dock
Its luck. that's it.
tropic trail
I believe the nightborn comment was made during the presentation when they were announced
I'd have to go dig through and find it
terse plank
Hey just a dumb question which may have been asked before:
Somebody in a youtube video said the thin Kul Tiran humans were confirmed as an option?
Is that true?
Because I can't find it
balmy heart
I think they were in one of the interviews with Ion
terse plank
🤔 could somebody be so kind as to help me find that? 😆
I never saw it mentioned in any of the wowhead summaries so idk ._.;
uncut vault
It wasn’t confirmed as an option, just that they’re a Kul Tiran body type and not a separate race
dense plover
but that doesnt mean they are an option for players
the way it was asked was kind of confusing
and i think Ion was responding in a lore way
in that they are still kul tirans
they might end up as a customization option
but it isnt clear yet
and also, there are no thing females
terse plank
That'd suck. :c
I'm hoping to play as a thin human frankly
terse plank
Well since we're this far in, part of me thinks it won't happen ._.
jade basalt
I think that's a misinterpretation. From what I recall, it was about the different Tirasian models that existed, and he just said that there were different body types to give more flavor to the Tirasian people, they're not separate races or whatever, they're just body types. So it wasn't from a gameplay (i.e playable) point of view he was talking about body types, he was just explaining their presence in the population (flavor, diversity).
Kind of like how there are slim trolls and then bulkier (dire) trolls if I was to illustrate this. Like, maybe they could be a separate "body type" customization option for the Tirasian allied race, but this isn't what he was talking about here. But people understood him as confirming that thin humans would be a separate, playable body type.
uncut vault
I mean the issue is we already have thin female humans
Thin men makes sense because all we have is body builders
But the normal human girls are pretty basic
jade basalt
Even-thinner-humans
terse plank
well... what I mainly mean is a different body type I suppose for female humans in that case lol. Yes, the existing ones are already "thin," but there's such thing as a body type different than what they are now.
meager warren
playing sticks would be funny
rich apex
There's no indication of thin KTs as playable
They're still missing a female version
Much less the unlikelihood of giving only only Allied Race 'body types'
wild pewter
Thin KT's have been confirmed as a body type.
hollow dock
When was that Echo? 0=
strange falcon
a few days ago ^
hollow dock
A source? was it at pax? Which interview? Cmon gimme the juicy details
strange falcon
I'm pretty sure it was a t pax,it's 3AM so no source for ya
hollow dock
was it in slootbags interview? or a different one?
rich apex
Who confirmed that fam
uncut vault
they werent confirmed
hollow dock
that's what Im tryin to figure out
uncut vault
people are misconstruing it as confirmed
when it was ion deconfirming that they would be a separate race
hollow dock
Gibbe the knowledge port
Oh OK so the Thin humans are not a seperate human race and are apart of 'Kul tiran' humans but aren't actually confirmed to be a body type for the player race
something like that port?
uncut vault
Chaud: Are Thin Humans going to be an Allied race, are they NPCs, what’s the weird, thin Human model?
Travis: Um…
[Travis and Jimmy both start laughing]
Travis: Hold on.. Void-y Holy Priest. Okay! I have that, I’ll remember now.
[Coordinator]: If that’s not service, I don’t know what is!
[Laughs]
Travis: So, Thin Man and Fat Man are what we call them internally. And no, they’re not intended to be a different race, [they’re] just variants on Kul Tirans. So, generally, when we’re spawning up Kul Tiras on the design side, we looked at using them as kind of our… maybe it’s a little bit like, ‘The big guy’s the bouncer!’ Or, ‘The big guy’s the ruffian who’s got a little guy up by the neck! And then the little guy’s more the scoundrel and they’re always holding daggers or leanin’ up against something,’ and, I don’t know, it just gives us a little more flavor and texture to the world.
its just a model to diversify kul tiras
hollow dock
ty port!
tropic trail
Fat and thin humans have been in the game since vanilla, as well as some goofy looking pirate humans, I wonder if they'll replace those few with these new models.
hollow dock
those were alpha models tho
Like they were the original humans from alpha and rarely used. cuz they were alpha
tropic trail
Still, they're used in a few obvious places, I believe they still make an appearance in deadmiens, the DK starting scenario, and I think the old pirate models can still be found in stranglethorn and other places (Haven't actually been to stranglethorn in a really long time to check)
There's also the farmer humans in borean tundra
It wouldn't hurt to replace them
meager warren
http://prntscr.com/j352ju
this wasn't thought through too well
tulip sun
Y?
meager warren
Because Rehgar is a member of the Horde.
The Horde and the Alliance can't unite except when Azeroth is actually in trouble. Then they reluctantly help each other vanquish the enemy only to start killing each other again
tulip sun
Ok, so how does that make the above convo bad
meager warren
Rehgar's line just doesn't make sense considering
i mean, it is pathetic but it's pathetic that Rehgar's Horde does the same thing also
tulip sun
He is there helping, is he not?
meager warren
yes but so?
tropic trail
I'm not seeing the issue, rehgar tells neptulon to do exactly what the horde and alliance were doing for legion
put aside differences and fight a common enemy
tulip sun
^^^^
tulip sun
@uncut vault Does Valtrois do anything yet besides stand on the ship?
uncut vault
Not yet no
oak wraith
Am I the only one who finds it strange the "big" Kul'Tiran humans are actually taller than my Night Elf?
eternal maple
They seem very bulky and different to other races in general, I don't feel like they really fit in, but probably just have to get used to them :p
eternal maple
at what time is it deployed?
strange falcon
last week it was tuesday at midnight?
eternal maple
No wonder I couldn't find any solid info online then :p
tulip sun
I don't think it was midnight
Because I was awake during it, and I would've been sleeping by midnigth
ruby star
I'm expecting Warfronts to go playable on alpha officially tomorrow (if a build happens) as they said Warfront swill be up for testing on the alpha very soon
and the beta is right around the corner being very soon (in an interview this was said)
heavy cairn
that reminds me, I gotta finish voldun to test a theory I had
strange falcon
what theory did you have
heavy cairn
theory = "zandalar forever" (a.k.a. "the final seal") questline unlocks after completing all 3 zones
since blood gate unlocked after nazmir+zuldazar
strange falcon
well i dont see any questlines and i complete 2 zones
so i think blood gate requires zuldazar to be completed
ruby star
Ooo
heavy cairn
blood gate only make sense after both nazmir and zuldazar storylines, ye
as it relies on zul's treachery weakening zuldazar + blood trolls getting ready to attack from nazmir story
strange falcon
and i can't even complete zuldazar if i wanted to,because i'm stuck at 6/8 chapters and the npcs refuse to give me the followup quests
also yes zandalar forever should be available once you finish the 3zones,but since the achievement for it is just a yellow gear icon with no requirements listed
i think it's not implemented yet
heavy cairn
I thought the requirement was "zandalar forever" scenario
eternal maple
have anyone played alliance and found out what that completion of the zone yields?
heavy cairn
generally those types of things just let you skip and get credit on the alpha if NYI
strange falcon
alliance is too brokem atm,i made a hunter yesterday,and boralus is a goddamn mess,
heavy cairn
pretty sure alliance "meta" questlines aren't implemented yet
at least there are no achievements for them
eternal maple
I have only began to quest a little but god its gloomy everywhere on ally side :p you horde have such vibrant colors
strange falcon
i would say something about horde being best faction but instead i'm just going to leave this here
eternal maple
hahah never to late to change or what :D?
ruby star
whispers For the Alliance
strange falcon
also the fact that the entirety of boralus is this washed out dark teal and whatever that black-ish color for the walls is
just makes me sad
ruby star
Stormsong Valley looks like a really nice zone art wise and that
strange falcon
Stormsong manor still doesnt have textures and is a white chunk of land 🤔
strange falcon
well,it kinda is surprising when all of zandalar is pretty polished,apart from the water in nazmir
that's a flood problem
eternal maple
I've never been on an alpha before but I realized quite soon that I should wait with exploring since I just ran into unfinished stuff :p
Like the mountains covered with snow in Stormsong Valley 😃 npcs are dropped but buildings are not done
strange falcon
the mainquestlines are pretty polished,at least on zandalar(havent progressed in stormsonng yet on hunter) the only things are some sidequestlines have some inconveniences,like having fall through stairs in a temple,or having a questitem on top of a no collision structure,or having some items in an ""underground cellar"" where the stairs are fall through
the first 2 i mentioned are in nazmir,along with the super bugged water levels literally everywhere,and the third is in voldun
eternal maple
For me quite some house structures glitch in Tiragarde sound first questing are, and some even inside the main town but I've taken some screenshots to see if it gets better in the future builds
strange falcon
it's quite easy once you get it figured out tho
assuming you're not an elf
you have to enter the wall at a specific angle,walk right up to the edge where you fall,use the questitem to phase,then mount your biggest mount(mammoth) glitch through the floor,get item
ez pz
this doesnt work if you're an elf or any smaller race
because obvious reasons
eternal maple
haha sounds solid :p
eternal maple
sorry, bad choice of words 😃
tulip sun
Mayla needs to appear
hollow dock
none of em do tbh
tulip sun
And you complain about others disagreeing with you....
It is a fight for their survival. All leaders should appear
hollow dock
the reason I disagree is because if you put in to many characters into a singular plot, it becomes convoluted, diluted and hard to follow. Especially in a medium like a video game.
jade basalt
My buddy Crow got hired as historian at Blizz ! https://twitter.com/unlimitedBLACK/status/983532161608269824
tulip sun
Realistically though, in lore all should do something
hollow dock
Oh that's really cool! Gonna save his twitter.
And I do agree with you Khamnin, but I think side characters should get their spotlight just like that. On the side. In books or comics or short stories.
tulip sun
Have it be a book or comic. Cameo ingame just standing there
This is a huge event
And I wouldn't call mayla a side character, she's a racial leader
hollow dock
of a side race. I'd call her a side character because she doesn't hold much importance than say Sylvanas or Nathanos, or Vol'jin and Thrall going on their wacky adventures, etc etc etc.
tulip torrent
@jade basalt if you play your cards right you will always get an alpha invite 😉
vernal jasper
how 2 play cards?
jade basalt
@tulip torrent What ?
tulip torrent
one of the ways of getting an alpha invite is to know someone in blizz
that one can set your account into their internal friends and family lists
thus getting alpha invites
vernal jasper
i don't have that card
tulip torrent
very few ppl have that card
jade basalt
Yeah but I didn't say I needed an alpha invite 😋
strange falcon
having a friend who worked at blizz in the past works too
vernal jasper
"my uncle works at blizz, he'll ban you"
frigid umbra
Oooo release the beta already blizz so we can get mucho mucho beta keys and account activatios.... we need them... the small fries that are not top raiders or streamers. We want to try it too.
strange falcon
but then you will complain about everything being broken and provide no actual feedback or bugreports
🤔
frigid umbra
How do you know that?... and why would anyone complain about a beta being buggy??
Thats what a beta is... an unfinished game being tested for bugs...
strange falcon
well
we know what happened when they made beta much more available for mists beta
frigid umbra
That was different... it was everyone it at the start... and there was no alpha. There are alot of people already in the alpha... blizz already got alot of feedback on the main systems of the game... only polish remains in the beta which is mainly bug fixes that can be reported by any joe shmo
hollow dock
We'd complain about getting 1 million gold in the mail for free from the devs
saying 'Why isnt it 2 million'
frigid umbra
Sorry to say but thats not the majority of the wow community... those are the few vocal outliers.. which are usually ignored anyway
Anyway... are you guys in the alpha?
hollow dock
snort it's been that way since vanilla. Papa Jeph even said so when he was working on the game.
eternal maple
Do anything reset between builds or can you go on as usual?
strange falcon
only bugs and new systems reset between builds,not that we have anything that resets atm
hollow dock
Nothing resets between builds.
uncut vault
Only reset is for when beta launches and you can copy characters afaik
hollow dock
They'll also do periodic character wipes. So you can consider that a reset?
dim flower
@hollow dock I believe the complaint wouldn’t be “why not 2 mil”
But instead “NOW BLIZZARD IS JUST HANDING US GOLD INSTEAD OF GEAR”
hollow dock
That's also a valid complaint
misty blaze
im just so excited about the scenario we get play as jaina
hollow dock
Oh god please dont do what I think you're going to do
wild pewter
We play as Jaina?
hollow dock
Dont roll your eyes at me you know why I voice my conern :<
hollow dock
@dense plover Bellular just confirmed that the DIDs and Mag'har will be available to unlock at launch as apart of the campaign!
eternal maple
wouldn't mind...trying...them out to make sure they are.. alright and soo.. no hidden motives
eternal maple
Sorry, yeah....never been in alpha (played since release) so I'll probably do all kinds of wrong. I do use the feedback buttons all the time 😄
uncut vault
I almost never play during beta as a personal rule
I full test during alpha and let new people do it in beta, just mess around with new character stuff if there is any
Only thing that might pull me into beta is warfronts if they keep their testing for bigger waves
hollow dock
Only thing to pull me onto beta is raid testing
eternal maple
Full test, what do you mean by that?
mint arch
jaina-chaaaaaan
hollow dock
GIT OUTTA HERE WIT DAT WEEB SHIT
uncut vault
Submit feedback on every quest, positive or negative
Make a forum post for all my class testing and zone testing
Then a few additional ones on other feedback
In BfA’s case I’ve made some on cosmetics moving forward and island expeditions
eternal maple
wow, That is really good work from your side
uncut vault
I do it every alpha, a few other testers I know do too.
dense plover
Yeah
But we don’t know how long the campaign will take
The first part of suramar was unlocked at launch
But it took weeks because you could only earn a certain amount of rep each day
uncut vault
Well it depends on which campaign achieve it's tied to
The initial story is completed by 120
dense plover
My guess is it requires the stuff after 120
It’s unlikely to be a You got to 120! Reward
We will see
They’ll test it before launch
hollow dock
At launch and during the campaign does imply that it'll be pretty early on. o=
hollow dock
But we weren't promised to unlock all of i at launch
dense plover
Took the average player more
All of the first part of suramar was promised for launch
And it was there
It just took time to finish
uncut vault
Well bellulars interview implies the war campaign will be less of a do it all in one day, and more of a suramar in 7.0/7.1
hollow dock
It was. Mag'har and DID are promised at launch and be unlocked during the campaign.
dense plover
Or I can finally use my bladefist weapon from highmaul in a transmog
Plus I want a DID because they look cool
Fire beards
uncut vault
It'll be odd to NOT get them just from the "establish the launch points" achieve because beyond that, dark iron dwarves are heavily involved
jade basalt
uncut vault
I actually suspect the other variant that's shown in the alpha emails will be the official heritage set, since it includes a hat and fits the proudmoore colors more
Wish we could send pics in this channel
uncut vault
We see em in the pre-120 campaign too so who knows
meager warren
the undercity plaguebat is just a reskin of the DH mount.
why bliz
meager warren
well yes but it's pretty much the same mount
ruby star
I'm expecting that some point tonight or tomorrow a new build will come out hopefully! with warfronts! 😄
sharp bluff
oh boy the Alliance scenario is impossible to beat
The High Overlord.: Defeat High Overlord Saurfang.
you can't beat Saurfang
terse patrol
i like how some hordies hate saurfang now because he isnt on board sylvanas’ genocide train
tulip sun
The hippogrpyh is literally just a recolored one with armor
So I don't think it is that bad
Saurfang is eh
I never was a die-hard fan of him
He will likely rejoin eventually
tulip sun
This Geyarah, leader of the Mag'har
terse patrol
Right now, the Horde is just Sylvanas
tulip sun
What do you mean just sylvanas? v.v
terse patrol
The others aren’t that relevant atm. All eyes are on her.
her and bitchboy edgelord nathanos
tulip sun
I wouldn't really say that.
Sylvanas is just a major player, like Illidan and Velen in Legion
We see Thalyssra, Lasan....Gallywix is heavily involved in the war campaign
uncut vault
tfw people are mad that the faction leader is in the spotlight after whining about the faction leaders never being in the spotlight
tulip sun
Patches and Gob Squad help us greatly in Nazmire
uncut vault
blizz cant please everyone 🤷
tulip sun
I like how it is currently
Faction leaders should be in the spotlight
Look at poor vol'jin
He did nothing
Other characters are getting spotlight too though, it is not like it is Sylvanas and Anduin 24/7
heavy cairn
lol after becoming warchief all voljin did was congratulate you on level 3 garrison, help with tanaan slightly, then die. :(
sharp bluff
honestly I am just disappointed with Saurfang (as a horde guy)
I am on the "Voljin gave her his blessing train"
uncut vault
I mean, as a person who likes both their characters, Sylv a bit more so, I like the dynamic between them
theyre being shown as opposites without invalidating either person
meager warren
i'm disappointed with Vol'jin for listening to that loa
hopefully he's learned his lesson in death
uncut vault
I mean he definitely hasnt been punished for it
tulip sun
He becomes a Loa himself lol
tulip torrent
wait
tulip sun
I think Sylvanas as warchief will become a good thing, despite what people think
tulip sun
No...
uncut vault
all wild gods are loa, not all loa are wild gods
sharp bluff
ask Boneswami
uncut vault
loa is just a troll term for an ascended or greater being
tulip sun
Bwonbamsdi or however you spell it is not an animal
sharp bluff
yep but he is a loa right?
uncut vault
Yes, he is
sharp bluff
well referring to the Voljin becoming a Loa comment, Bwonbamsdi would know
since he is a Loa and a troll
also for spelling purposes
I was off lol
eternal maple
alliance> Can you get the pirate hat back in Freehold after you are done questing?
meager warren
maybe ;)
dense plover
@heavy cairn the burnout quest is when the corruption is removed from the sword
it requires the weapons to be retired
heavy cairn
that causes artifact instability, which was datamined to be AP number going down (maybe clientside, maybe not)
it's not complete burn out
dense plover
burnout is the end of that
heavy cairn
usually when they do those sorts of pre-expansion storylines, the change is applied globally upon expansion release regardless of who has done the quest or not
dense plover
the falling will probably happen essentially instantly post-BfA
but it wont be applied to the weapons while leveling
they would have to change tons of quests
its literally just going to occur via a quest
i guarantee it
heavy cairn
not really--quests don't rely on traits
dense plover
quests rely on AP
heavy cairn
they can turn AP reward into gold
heavy cairn
well, more gold
dense plover
i guarantee traits will still exist
dense plover
because otherwise it punishes people who dont buy BfA
no it isnt
its extremely simple because of the above
you are saying the equyivalent of the garrison going away post-Warlords
it isnt
heavy cairn
uh, no?
why would it punish people who don't buy BfA? classes will be balanced for lack of artifact at levels without an artifact--in this case < 108
just like they are balanced now, for levels < 98
dense plover
im not going to go into more detail right now because o meed to eat, but i guarantee they will stick around unless you are heading to BfA. Feel free to ask @hollow dock
hollow dock
100% they're still sticking around after prepatch hits
dense plover
thank you vris
hollow dock
In BFA they will go 'inert' as we level up.
dense plover
gonna go eat now