Still doesnt change that she is smexy either
#beta-ptr-spoilers
tropic trail
cinder knoll
+1 for both 😄
tulip torrent
they did quite a good job for the cinematic as always
cinder knoll
So, theoretically, if there would be a sexy alien with 3 boobs from Total Recall, you wouldn't find it sexy because its an alien? No matter how it looks?
tulip torrent
but sylvanas face is more like a human's
tulip torrent
it looks unrealistic for me
hollow dock
The undead elf looks a little human. Thats what kills it for you? Not the fact that her body turns into smoke.
tulip torrent
her cheeks
hollow dock
Theyre gaunt cheeks. What of it?
tulip torrent
for a corpse her cheeks are quite healthy looking
tropic trail
Look at my creation. Leans back, propping feet up onto a table.
hollow dock
A corpse held together by magic. We discussed that already
uncut vault
They just need to give dark rangers a one boob option like real medieval archer ladies, that’ll make em unique 😛
hollow dock
^
hollow dock
If youre into corpses then hey. I wont judge
tropic trail
She's the Kim Kardashian of WoW
tranquil steeple
The magic of a fictional world
tulip sun
I would really like to play undead elves.
tranquil steeple
Pretty sure that's not the way Khamnin meant
tropic trail
Power of clarity
tulip sun
You knew what I meant
tranquil steeple
I mean going by that, Undead Undead (Forsaken Death Knight)
tropic trail
^^
hollow dock
Our topic has been about the dark rangers/undead elves of the forsaken
ruby star
Adding Undead Elves alongside High Elves would actually be pretty cool
tropic trail
I wish I was an undead DK so I could be killed twice.
Pull a Sylvanas and die more times than a DPS standing in the fire
tulip sun
Undead Elves have been appearing more and more
They play a part in both pre-patch battles, and males are now more frequent(were there even males before now to begin with in-game?)
tranquil steeple
I can see Undead Elves happening. I mean if we can get Lightforged Draenei (holier than thou of normal Draenei) for Alliance, why not
tulip sun
They would be a great undead allied race
hollow dock
And itd fit prrfectlt of just slapping in races that already exist in the faction
tranquil steeple
Just a matter of if people show enough support for it, and Blizz pays attention and cares about it
hollow dock
Blizz has already shown an interest on the alliance side of it. So theyd just need to do it on thw horde side and bam
More elves
terse patrol
The High Elf want has exploded, so we very well might get them by the end of this expac, or the beginning of the next. Who knows tho
tulip sun
High Elves have nothing to do it with in all honesty.
hollow dock
This is the perfect system to fit the high elves into. Thats why its exploded!
ruby star
^
tulip sun
KILL OFF THE REST OF THE HIGH ELVES TO GET MORE UNDEAD ELVES!!! Perfect idea
terse patrol
alliance players wanted them since vanilla
(Then they gave blood elves to horde)
We weren’t happy.
tranquil steeple
Well, Blood Elves are really just re-named High Elves in honor of the Fallen, IIRC
hollow dock
Im not sluming it down with a bunch of baby eating barbarians
tulip sun
^^
tranquil steeple
So High Elves "were" added
cinder knoll
and Blizz says the same since Vanilla, there are not enough High elves to be a race, most of them are Blood elves now...
hollow dock
No they arent maxi
ruby star
Population is not an issue anymore
hollow dock
^
cinder knoll
What changed?
hollow dock
Fuckin void elves
ruby star
also Chronicles V3 made it even more likely for High Elves 😃
Alliance High Elves have largely lived separately from Horde Blood Elves for 2700 years. It was previously thought that those people died in WC3, and the current HE population are the exiles from Quel'thalas. But no - Chronicles confirms the citizens of Dalaran were EVACUATED!
While we are at it, those Dalaran survivors now boost HE numbers exponentially.
And while we are at that, numbers are never given for either HE or BE, but they were given for events like Wrathgate. Curious.
Living and interbreeding with humans for 2700 is MORE than enough for physical differences to develop. Now we have a huge lore reason why High Elves are physically different from the base thalassian elf.
Consuming fel is confirmed to eat at someone's mind, soul, and body. Now we have a lore reason why Blood Elves are physically different from the base thalassian elf. HE/BE started as the same thing, but both have been changed, differently.
High Elves are confirmed not to have the same magic-hunger the Blood Elves do, because it was caused by Kael'thas' technique for siphoning magic from living creatures, which was introduced only to BE.
BE aren't cured from their addiction - they just don't need any other magic than the Sunwell now.
Neither HE/BE are actually "linked" to the Sunwell. Whoever wishes to use it "asks for a blessing", so no, HE won't automatically change to golden eyes
terse patrol
Void Elves are literally a tiny subsect of Blood Elves
hollow dock
Of all the elven races, Void elves are the lowest number
tulip torrent
the only reason why you got void elfs is because of that other windrunner sister
and her meddleing in void magic
tulip sun
I just can't see it due to being the exact same physically except eye color.
tropic trail
I feel like Void Elves would be more popular if there was standing lore BEFORE Legion or at least mentioned before Argus
hollow dock
Void elves are the same to blood elves except for a bit of purple
tulip sun
Vris, the above post states that 2700 years is plenty of time to interbreed and get physical differences
terse patrol
High Elves still have a functioning population in the Alliance, to the point that they have a civilian population.
So yeah
tulip sun
At least their skin is different, lol
ruby star
Khamnin read the forums on US and Mmochampion you'll see all the ideas
tulip sun
I have read the ideas.
hollow dock
As Honk said
tulip sun
Turning them into wood elves and hippies
terse patrol
Void Elves are 100% military.
tulip torrent
they wont be getting golden eyes too
hollow dock
Who cares?
terse patrol
We want blue eyes.
hollow dock
Let the blood elves have their golden eyes
terse patrol
They aren’t civilians though
tulip sun
I'd call an innkeeper a civilian
hollow dock
Innkeepers can be military
cinder knoll
why should they be military?
terse patrol
Innkeepers aren’t always civilian roles in WoW
cinder knoll
they were researches of void magic
tropic trail
Even better, they'll get a midnight purple eye color option
terse patrol
Anyways
hollow dock
Please let high elves have an eye color slider
ruby star
Either way Blood Elves will have there Fel green eyes and Golden holy eyes, and they won;t be getting Blue eyes, Pretty sure of that
terse patrol
I’d probably say that 3/4th are Blood Elves, 1/4th are High Elves.
ruby star
omg yes, High Elves with an eye colour slider would be great
hollow dock
High elves in lore have more than blue eyes naturally
Heck. Alleria used to have emerald eyes before blood elves even existed.
Then they sadly retconned it. 😢
tulip torrent
now we will see if her eyes change color
tropic trail
Imo, I feel like Arator needs an unique model.
hollow dock
He does because hes an actual half elf
tropic trail
^
tropic trail
Kalecgos just needs an update where he isnt stuck in 2007
Like Silvermoon.
And Exodar..
hollow dock
His dragon self lools fine. But that half elf model
tulip torrent
they wont touch the dragons
tropic trail
DIdn't they update his dragon model?
tulip torrent
they lost their power after deathwing
tulip sun
The devs have stated before that the blood elves will eventually regain their blue eyes. May have changed that tho
hollow dock
Nah.
ruby star
Khamnin they have not
tulip torrent
i mean the exp lore
tropic trail
I feel like we need an expansion based around the threat of the Infinite Flight
hollow dock
We did. It was cataclysm.
tropic trail
More prominent.
tropic trail
People also linked evidence to an Engineer Class.
hollow dock
Seeing Nozdormus infinite form and killing it is pretty prominent
tropic trail
See where that went
tulip sun
I think that is a little different. I am talking about just lore wise.
Devs said that
Not that's it would he addedd
tropic trail
But, we could use the Infinite Flight expansion to actually solve the 'Who's Killing Chromie?' case.
hollow dock
She created a paradox she couldnt solve and now someones out to get her. Maybe it was referring to her and the Timewalkers helping us out and the inevitability of WoD?
ruby star
Pretty sure the new Chronciles V3 lore supports Blood ELves not getting blue eyes again
tropic trail
I mean, my hypothesis is that it's a future us killing her.
hollow dock
Thats a good one
tropic trail
I mean, if the tree that we help the Nightborne grow (Because they're not able to grow a tree of themselves, like wth) couldn't that tree technically cure the wretches and blood elves of their addiction too? Since they're kinda the opposite of the mana addiction spectrum in a couple of ways.
heavy cairn
lilo, it's not clear that the infinite are the ones behind the chromie thing
tropic trail
I never said they were, but it that could be a viable window to solve it.
heavy cairn
though since chromie appears shocked about most of the enemies (which as someone who can remember the future, seems weird), maybe a greater force is indeed orchestrating the events
heavy cairn
we'd have to know who's really driving the infinite
murozond is the leader of the infinite, but he surely answers to someone
tropic trail
I need lorewalker Vris to answer a question for me.
heavy cairn
I'm not under the impression that there's a confirmed connection between the infinite and the void
tropic trail
But they could inadvertently work hand in hand, can they not?
heavy cairn
but since murozond seemed fine with the End Time (thinking he could not die) (the hour of twilight happened in that timeline), that does support the idea that infinite and void are working together
tropic trail
Even Nozdormu was fine with it to an extent.
heavy cairn
nozdormu was just... accepting of it
it's not the true timeline, and it's where he dies. nothing he can really do, at least he doesn't think there's anything
tropic trail
Like that cousin that everyone secretly finds annoying.
heavy cairn
old gods whispered to deathwing, not surprising if they eventually whipser to nozdormu who probably eventually frets about his death
tropic trail
And that's also technically not the only time that an old god had (in)direct ties with a dragon.
hollow dock
OSX it is 100% confirmed in Cv3 that the Infinite flight was made by the Pld gpds
Old gods*
tropic trail
Flex
hollow dock
Now whether or not you can go 'infinite' independantly through self inflicted madness of Paradoxes is yet to be seen but hinted at with Kairozdormu
tropic trail
I'd say as long as you're able to access different timelines like we have in the Chromie scenario, I'd say it is definitely 100% possible that one can go 'Turbo' as Wreck-It Ralph would say.
hollow dock
Indeed. What I think happened was that someone, or something, showed Nozdormu what he wasnt supposed to see.
Hence why he went insane trying to stop it.
hollow dock
Which doesnt make to much sense. Chromie is aware of when she'll die but hasnt gone infinite herself.
tropic trail
I say she does, we just haven't seen it.
Remember, the timelines have an infinite amount within the Warcraft universe.
So it most likely does exist.
hollow dock
Oh there is a timeline when she goes infinite no doubts.
terse patrol
I cant see them actually killing Chromie permanently.
hollow dock
But I think it'll get altered to be something like what happrned with Alleria
tropic trail
Well, Murozond technically isn't dead either.
hollow dock
Nozdormu was shown a false death of his. A way one of his alternate selves dying.
Him going insane trying to stop an event that'll never happen
tropic trail
But think, Nozdormu probably knows how he'll die...
Does that mean Murozond was shown a death that he seen 'not to be' because it didn't line up with 'what it was supposed' to be?
hollow dock
Thats exacrly what I just suggested. That that is what turns Nozdormu into Murozond
tropic trail
So, would that technically make Murozond a good guy in that right then?
hollow dock
Technically. If that is how blizzard would spin it, itd be a great way for Noz to fall.
Since we havent been given true specifics of how and when it'll happen
tropic trail
And he's more capable of dying now that his power has been waning after events of Dragon Soul
hollow dock
Oh his power is gone. Just a fraction remains.
All the dragons have this sort of 'hollow' use of their former abilities
tropic trail
Quick question
hollow dock
Reds still heal, but much less. Blues are little more than powerful casters. Bronze still can slip in and out of timr etc
hollow dock
I believe it was Tyr but I have to double check
OK it was Tyr and two other keepers.
They empowered the five aspects and transformed em into what we see today
tropic trail
So, would it be possible that Murozond could be listening to an infinite version of them?
Whom in turn are listening to the old gods.
Whom in turn are listening to the Void Lords.
hollow dock
I dont think so. I personally think it was a situation like Alleria.
Where he was shown every possibility until he cracks trying to stop events that'll never happen to him
tropic trail
Hm.
tropic trail
You think you want them, you but you really don't.
tulip sun
I really do
hollow dock
I judt want my high elves already so Im not restricted to chat RP on Retail
tropic trail
I want to play my Tuskarr, but I have yet to see them.
hollow dock
Tuskarr would have to get a full racial repwlr
tropic trail
They just need their racial turtle mount, skin updated, and implement a cute dance animation.
hollow dock
They cant wear most player armor tho
tropic trail
And?
hollow dock
Thats kinda important for blizz?
tulip torrent
and they cant be most of the classes
hollow dock
Thats why I said full racial rework
tropic trail
I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to manipulate that just a wee bit more to fit a Tuskarr.
tulip torrent
do you imagine an tuskarr paladin, priest, druid?
tropic trail
I can imagine a Tuskarr Warrior.
hollow dock
I can imagine a tuskarr priest.
tropic trail
And a shaman.
hollow dock
Tuskarr hunter too
tropic trail
^^
tulip torrent
i dont think they can be shamans
tropic trail
^^^
hollow dock
And Taunka are just winter Tauren
tropic trail
Just how Dark Iron is a burnt dwarf.
And how Zandalari is a darkspear that's seen the chiropractor
hollow dock
100% they COULD. But they need a lot of work to be any sort of playable. Like nightborne level of alterations.
tulip torrent
its more likely they make taunka a playable race than tuskarr
tropic trail
Bet
tulip sun
I want taunka
tulip torrent
if they make tuskarr a playable race
wow will start looking too much like tera
with their fat dunno-whats-called
and that small female child with the years
the fluffy version of tera
the alternative of vulpera
but less fur
and customizable ears and tail
tulip sun
Thanks are overdo
tulip torrent
bonus points tuskarrs wont fit most of the armors
tulip sun
Taunka*** whoops
jade basalt
@ruby star Drorith - Today at 11:40 @MyMindWontQuiet Void Elves should not get High Elves customisation it would make no sense at all.
Actually that is false, it would make a lot of sense since there are literal High Elf Wayfarers in Telogrus Rift learning about the Void from Void Elves next to blood elven Silvermoon Scholars, and High Elf Sorcerors and Void Elves walk together in the capitals.
hollow dock
While that is true Quiet, I think he was meaning that once the Void elf makes the transition, they're not really High elves or Blood Elves anymore.
theyre void corrupted and all that jazz
ruby star
Yeah. Why on earth would High Elves have Void Elves Racials like come on, High Elves should stay as there own allied race and not get put into Void Elves customisations as if they did that it would therefore ruin both races
hollow dock
Lets try and meet half way and say, Void Elves should get void corrupted variations of High elf customizations?
ruby star
I personally want High Elves to be there own seperate allied race, being pushed into void Elves customisations would ruin it for me
hollow dock
Not completely integrated
but imagine like. Void corrupted hair styles of the other races like High Elves have
to show some High elves do go void
ruby star
As long as it doesn't stop High Elves becoming an allied race I don't mind
I just mean, I don't want them to lazily give Void Elves High ELves customisations and be done with it, cause that would have quite a huge backlash. As again it would make no sense, why would High Elves such as SIlver Covenant have Void Elves racials and IG be called Void Elves
ALso the High ELves in the rift, arn't of any major high elves faction like Silver covenant
jade basalt
To be fair Alleria too is a void elf and has been Void corrupted, but has retained her [high] elven features (pink skin). The new elves that are forming in the ways of the Void will not be forcefully transformed by Ethereals, they will be taught normally, likely like Alleria has learned. So if they were to give a pink skin customization option to Void elves (to balance the Golden Eyes option for Blood elves), it would make sense.
High elves will never be an allied race, Drorith.
ruby star
You are actually wrong there
THe Devs said no Allied race is off the table in recent interviews
jade basalt
Yeah. But high elves will never be an allied race.
ruby star
I'm afraid your wrong again, you don't know that, you do not speak on behalf of Blizzard 😃
High Elves are in my thoughts very likely (I;m not saying they are confirmed as I don't speak for blizzard)
jade basalt
Actually I'm not wrong, Ion Hazzikostas, Game Director, has addressed it like 3 times already, he explained that they weren't enough to constitute their own separate allied race, and that their solution to the lack of originality was, guess what, void elves. Who by their existence decrease infinitely the already very small chance that high elves had to be added.
jade basalt
"you do not speak on behalf of Blizzard"
Quotes Blizzard
"lol Blizz is not to be trusted"
hollow dock
Despite the fact that Ion and at least one other senior member of the dev team has expressed an interest in it.
ruby star
He said Druids would only get a new travel form
then loads of new forms suddenly turned up
He said they wern';t focussing on old race custimsations atm, but blood elves golden eyes came
distant folio
ion never said druids would only get travel form
ruby star
I'm pretty sure he did
distant folio
no
ruby star
in a Q&A
distant folio
nope
hollow dock
It wasn't in a QnA
it was in a tweet and I dont remember if it was Ion or someone else
distant folio
he said they were getting a travel form. not that they were only getting a new travel form.
ruby star
but the point is Stuff can change drasticly from Q&A's and Blizz con
hollow dock
They did say in a response to someone asking if they'd get more than a travel form that there would only be a raptor travel form.
distant folio
nope
hollow dock
and like two weeks later the bear pops up
hollow dock
They had.
distant folio
no they didnt say they were only getting a raptor form.
hollow dock
We had even discussed it here when that tweet came out
ruby star
Also High ELves population is not valid anymore @jade basalt
distant folio
and at the time, they were not focusing on old race customizations @ruby star, so yes 6 months later golden eyes pop up there's nothing weird about it.
jade basalt
I never mentioned high elf population.
ruby star
not 6 months
it was like a week or 2
when Ion discussed in the Q&A
THen muffinus said in an interview, stuff changes drastically
distant folio
in fact muffinus himself said in the interview that they were not focusing on old race customization yet, even though we saw golden eyes for belves, that it would come later.
ruby star
Q: Ion recently said in the March 15 Q&A that more customization for old races isn't a top priority. However, we recently saw Golden Blood Elf Eyes on the Alpha. Are more customization options on the way?
A: As many other things in the World of Warcraft team, things that are said at BlizzCon may change significantly over the course of the year. They love the ability to add more player customization options -- it's super cool and players are responding very positively to it, so it's something they'd like to keep doing but they have nothing to announce quite yet.
distant folio
re:raptor form: it was at blizzcon, the lost codex asked if Zandalari druids would get something cool and that girl answered "travel form is a raptor!". Nothing about Zandalari only getting one unique form. Just revealed that the travel form would be a raptor.
"Zandalari travel form is a raptor "
vs
"Zandalari will only get one unique form, which is travel form"
not the same thing
@ruby star I see you conveniently omitted the end of his answer
ruby star
No, I copy and pasted what WoW head put
distant folio
where he points at the camera and says "high elves!" after he talks about more customization for existing races.
ruby star
I was not purposely missing it out, I just copied what WoWhead had on there interview page
distant folio
alright, wowhead omitted it then, for some reason
ruby star
I think they just shortened it down
distant folio
i think its a pretty important thing to not mention
ruby star
Muffinus has also said they acknowledged the fact that High Elves are a community favourite as ideas go for the future and that no Definitviee plans to share eyt
hollow dock
take it up with the staff then? 🤷
ruby star
^
hollow dock
they mislabeled a retcon in Chronicles v3 that wasn't an actual retcon
distant folio
wowhead "lore" articles are often subpar
I think theyre usually written by Anshlun if I am not wrong
Who 99% of the time incorporates his own interpretation/speculations into them
and that ends up in them writing "x has been retconned" when it has not, because they read/interpreted it in a different way
I usually dont bother with their "lore" articles except maybe the collaborations with Nobbel
hollow dock
I like how you didn't staunchly call em wrong there.
ruby star
@jade basalt " it like 3 times already, he explained that they weren't enough to constitute their own separate allied race"
You cleary reference population
"weren't enough to constitute their own separate allied race" is Cleary referencing population
jade basalt
No it's not. "Allied race" is a gameplay term which refers to playable races.
ruby star
Yes, but there is enough High Elves to become an Allied race
as population or how many of them there is does not matter
jade basalt
I literally never mentioned population numbers so if you could stop arguing about it, that'd be nice.
ruby star
"Ion Hazzikostas, Game Director, has addressed it like 3 times already, he explained that they weren't enough to constitute their own separate allied race" that they weren't enough, you referring to not enough of them to make an allied race?
ruby star
I disagree there Vris, I personally think it's becoming more likely that they will be added in the future
hollow dock
I believe it's not likely, but I can't deny the possibility exists.
incoming block of text
jade basalt
Ion did mention population numbers saying they were too low (but then again so should be Void elves). However his second argument was that they were just too identical to blood elves with the only difference being eye color. Eye color can at best justify a customization option (like belves getting golden eyes), not a whole allied race, they just aren't enough. And now in addition to blood elves we also have void elves, which reduces even more the chance for high elves to ever be playable. It is literally impossible for high elves to become their own separate allied race when they are already two nearly identical races in existence, belves and velves. Plus the fact that belves already got their allied race: they won't give belves 2 allied races (by "give" I mean that allied races are based on existing races, i.e draenei got one (Lightforged), orcs got one (Draenor orcs), belves got one (Void elves), etc.) before freaking Forsaken and all.
hollow dock
Belves are based off the High elves though.
jade basalt
High elves can't become an allied race for the same reason that Green-eyed humans can't become an allied race. Eye color does not justify a whole separate allied race, at best the green-eyed option will be given to humans (they already got this option but you got my example).
hollow dock
We wouldn't just want Eye color. Like I had mentioned that started this all up
explore the idea that High elves are a 'balance' of society.
ruby star
They are already apart of the Alliance, so they should be playable. but again if you read the Forum topics on Blizz forums and MMo champion you;'d see the suggestions
terse patrol
Give High Elves a unique standing stance like Nightborne.
jade basalt
You have not been able to give at least one example of such "suggestions". If you modify high elves to the point where they are no longer high elves.. well that's exactly what Blizzard did and we got Void elves.
terse patrol
As well as face paint.
ruby star
Yeah human modified idle stance would be nice
Theres loads of customisation option suggestions to fit around Quel'danil (High Vale) High Elves and Silver Covenant/Dalaran ones etc
hollow dock
all they did to humans is make them fat
ruby star
^
hollow dock
and that constitutes an allied race
ruby star
and Highmountain Tauren are basicly the same
terse patrol
I wish they made them look like small vrykul
hollow dock
HM tauren are another great example of very little actually changing.
strange falcon
thin humans are also a customization option for kultirans
jade basalt
all they did to humans is make them fat
This is incredibly disingenious and wrong. "Fat" Tirasian humans look almost nothing like your default human model, it is completely different in literally every possible way. High elves just got blue friggen eyes instead of green.
uncut vault
Tfw people say eye color isn’t a good enough basis but that’s literally what Lightforged and highmountain are
hollow dock
They just made em fat instead of muscular.
hollow dock
and yea as Port said
jade basalt
Tfw people say eye color isn’t a good enough basis but that’s literally what Lightforged and highmountain are
This is again incredibly disingenious and wrong. If you log in right now and create a Lightforged, you won't just have "eye color" as a unique/separate option.
hollow dock
neither would HIgh elves
but you keep hanging on that as if that is the only possible thing they could do to em
jade basalt
You're missing half my argument, but sure.
- They don't look nearly as distinct enough, as per Ion Hazzikostas himself. And if you want to make them distinct enough to the point they're no longer your classical high elf, well that's what got us void elves.
- There are already two recolored high/blood elves that are playable, blood elves and void elves. You can't add a freaking third.
uncut vault
If you can show me any posts of someone saying they want exact blood elf customizations but with blue eyes, your argument would hold weight. But people have never asked for that. It’s almost like allied races start with a basic concept, like eyes or horns, and build on it
dense plover
Culturally they are essentially the same
They are blood elves but with different eyes
uncut vault
Except Ion has also said that high elves are a potential race, alongside maghar
uncut vault
Except they’ve had different cultures since classic
dense plover
Because of course they won’t say no
distant folio
Except Ion has also said that high elves are a potential race, alongside maghar
he never said that
uncut vault
I don’t see a single high elven lodge in Quel’thalas
ruby star
What Ion says gets contradicted a lot and can change drastically @jade basalt
uncut vault
Show a location pls
dense plover
Living in a certain city doesn’t mean you have different culture
uncut vault
Show me blood elves allied with Wildhammer dwarves pls.
Show me blood elves that used meditation and latent magic to sate their addiction pls.
I’ll welcome sources
jade basalt
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Quel'Lithien_Lodge
That was one of the two major high elven "cities" (if you can call a lodge a city, because that's how few in numbers high elves are), and it got rekt. And yes it was in Quel'Thalas.
terse patrol
uhm
hollow dock
Dalaran is also a home of the high elves and the Silver Covenant
uncut vault
Not in Quel’thalas, and inhabited by high elves lmao
terse patrol
Most High Elves aren’t in the Lodges
distant folio
yes they are
terse patrol
Lodges are ranger outposts.
echo nest
so, alli gets vulpera and horde gets sethrak?
terse patrol
Most High Elves are in Dalaran or Stormwind.
hollow dock
Other way around Nhala but its not confirmed in the slightest.
distant folio
if you spent 5 seconds reading the wowpedia page you'd understand that it was one of the main high elven spots
echo nest
what?? fuck, i want the snakes, not the furries
ruby star
Some High Elves are in Quel'danil lodge but yeah most in Stormwind or Dalaran
hollow dock
Quel'Lithien Lodge was a high elven hunting lodge near the entrance to Quel'Thalas. It is one of two major concentrations of high elves in Lordaeron. [48, 14]
Oh hey
you missed that last sentence
IN LORDAERON
distant folio
do you have a source for "most high elves" being in stormwind or dalaran? because quel'thilien is like the literal only high elven spot we have ever dealt with and that was ever mentioned in lore.
it is the main high elven spot
hollow dock
Dalaran. Silver Covenant.
ruby star
Pan Peter have you read Chronicles 3 ?
distant folio
silver covenant are already part of the alliance..
ruby star
I wouldn't trust wiki
anymore
Alliance High Elves have largely lived separately from Horde Blood Elves for 2700 years. It was previously thought that those people died in WC3, and the current HE population are the exiles from Quel'thalas. But no - Chronicles confirms the citizens of Dalaran were EVACUATED!
distant folio
@hollow dock
uncut vault
I like how of all the places to mess up on borders, they choose Quel’thalas, the country with a massive gate at its borders
distant folio
no, the dark irons we're recruting are not part of the alliance 😃
hollow dock
No they are
distant folio
they are in blackrock mountain 😃
hollow dock
They're moira's dark irons
distant folio
nope
ruby star
They are in teh alliance already
distant folio
they are a separate group from moira, they have rejected moira when she became leader of the dark irons. only now are we getting them to our side.
you should.
ruby star
Like Vris said read the datamined stuff
hollow dock
Anduin even states that its 'Embarrassing that the Dark Irons have never formally been introduced into the alliance'
ruby star
^
distant folio
when moira came to power, she took half the dark irons with her to ironforge. the other half rejected her and stayed in blackrookc, these are the ones we are recruiting. < and that is from datamining as well.
so no, the dark irons were getting are not already part of the alliance
uncut vault
No dark iron is part of the Alliance as of now. Anduin fully inducts all of them
hollow dock
That's exactly what we just said
terse patrol
<_>
uncut vault
So, not part of the alliance?
distant folio
yes, part of the alliance.
hollow dock
That's literally what we just said
ruby star
^
hollow dock
Word for word even
uncut vault
Anduin welcomes them formally into the alliance
distant folio
formally introduced =/= effectively, technically introduced. They have been part of the Alliance for years so you are wrong, but its just now that they are getting formally introduced.
uncut vault
They can fight for them, and not be official allies
hollow dock
You are now splitting semantics to be right in a situation you were wrong in LOL
You're pulling a me. I just can't even.
distant folio
Tell me where I am wrong
hollow dock
When you said the Dark Irons were not part of the alliance
distant folio
You are so confused right now lol
distant folio
- Moira's dark irons have been part of the alliance for years (just not formally introduced)
- the dark irons we are getting as an allied race HAVE NOT BEEN PART OF THE ALLIANCE, they are in BLACKROCK MOUTAIN and we are JUST recruiting them into the alliance now.
hollow dock
So the dark irons have been apart of the alliance.
distant folio
Moira's dark irons, yes.
hollow dock
Yea the dark irons
distant folio
But we were talking about the dark iron allied race, which is the second point.
Not Moira's.
hollow dock
Theyre the same dark irons m8. A dark iron dwarf is a dark iron dwarf.
distant folio
Now you're just trolling, alright
hollow dock
I'm not? Tell me where Moira's dark irons are any different to the dark irons we're getting? It's an excuse for an induction scenario so theyre an allied race.
distant folio
There are 2 groups of dark irons:
- those who live in Ironforge and are led by Moira
- those who live in Blackrock Mountain and are led by Anvil-dude
You said "oh but the dark iron allied race are already part of the alliance yet they're still an allied race" : no. We are recruiting the second group of dark irons as an allied race, not the first one (Moira).
This is it, you have nothing to argue against. The dark irons that we are recruiting have never been part of the alliance in any shape, they are a new, separate group.
So when you say So the dark irons have been apart of the alliance. you are wrong. The allied race dark irons have not.
strange falcon
don't say "you have nothing to argue against" to vris,the consequences of such things have not yet been experimented by modern scienc
distant folio
Because vris is a master at trolling or not backing down when hes wrong
hollow dock
Cept Im not
cuz Anduins inducting all dark irons
despite them all being in the alliance
Dafire I will argue about absolutely nothing
distant folio
despite them all being in the alliance
is your brain limited? I literally just said they were not all part of the alliance. The ones we are recruiting are in Blackrock with their own separate leader who didn't follow Moira.
hollow dock
Dark Irons are Dark Irons m8
distant folio
there are 2 groups. Moira & the others. First one is in the alliance, second one is not. We're recruiting the second. So when you say despite them all being in the alliance its wrong.
ruby star
Honestly Pan Peter, Vris is not trolling, Maybe you should not insult people and stay civil
hollow dock
Ikr? People get so angry and heated over the smallest of things
distant folio
He is very visibly trolling. I very clearly and calmly explained there are 2 groups, one of which is not part of the alliance, only for him to keep repeating all dark irons are already in the alliance, like wtf?
ruby star
He is not trolling, I'm afraid your the only one currently who thinks that
hollow dock
They are tho. The dark irons have been in the alliance since cata.
hollow dock
The dark iron race has been an alliance race.
distant folio
Moira's dark irons, yes.
Not the ones we are recruiting.
distant folio
Moira's dark irons, yes.
Not the ones we are recruiting.
hollow dock
Dark irons are still dark irons. Nothing phyiscally different between the two.
distant folio
And orcs are still just orcs, so draenor orcs are already part of the horde?
And humans are still just humans, so kul tiran humans are already part of the alliance?
distant folio
Must be so sad to have such an empty life that you are willing to argue for 3 hours just to get the last word because you dont want to be wrong
hollow dock
and yea they are apart of the alliance. same with the dreanor orcs. Frostwolves joined the horde looooooooooooong ago in WoD
says the person who does the exact same
I thought that's just what you like to do 🤷
distant folio
Except I am right, and you are wrong. You're saying dark irons have already been in the Alliance, but that only applies to Moira's dark irons. The ones we are getting in BFA are a separate group of dark irons who have not been part of the alliance. 😃
ruby star
Again Pan Peter, maybe you should stop insulting people and be civil
hollow dock
There ya go again. Continuing it
distant folio
I am correcting you, yes
distant folio
Not the ones we are recruiting in BFA
hollow dock
What's different physically about em?
distant folio
Nothing. You need to be physically different to constitue a separate group?
hollow dock
To be a different racial group yea
distant folio
Nobody mentioned a racial group
Just a different group. Living somewhere else, with a different leader.
distant folio
Not these ones we are recruiting in BFA.
hollow dock
So teh dark irons never joined into the council of three hammers?
distant folio
Moira's dark irons have, yes. Not the ones we are recruiting in BFA.
hollow dock
(I love that this guy is still buying into this crap)
So the dark irons never joined the alliance
distant folio
Moira's dark irons have, yes. Not the ones we are recruiting in BFA.
hollow dock
So teh dark irons are in the alliance?
distant folio
Moira's dark irons are, yes. Not the ones we are recruiting in BFA.
hollow dock
So then they have never been in the alliance? That would make sense for us recruiting the dark iron race into the alliance. Since they've never been apart of em
musta been dreaming that scenario where we fought with em
distant folio
Moira's dark irons have, yes. Not the ones we are recruiting in BFA.
hollow dock
So the dark irons have been in the alliance since cata? good to know.
distant folio
Moira's dark irons have, yes. Not the ones we are recruiting in BFA.
hollow dock
Not sure why the dark irons are an argument against hte high elves then
distant folio
Ask yourself that question since you were the one to use that argument, not me 😉
hollow dock
I wasn't though. I didn't bring up the dark irons except as an argument for recruiting races into the allied race system that are already apart of the faction
Like dark irons and dreanor orcs
distant folio
Actually you were the person to bring dark irons in the discussion, nobody had mentioned them before you
hollow dock
Indeed. I did.
distant folio
So ask yourself the question of "why", not me. 😉
hollow dock
For the same reason as mentioned before
distant folio
Glad you could answer your own question
hollow dock
That doesn't answer the question though.
distant folio
Shoot, then you should keep thinking by yourself
hollow dock
Since my reason for bringing them in isnt the reason for the question
Nah Ima ask you since you're the person staunchly against my existence
distant folio
I don't know, you brought them into the discussion, you asked yourself a question, you can find your own answer to the question you brought up for no reason
hollow dock
So pan, why argue against the high elves on the dark iron front?
distant folio
never used dark irons as any sort of argument against high elves
You brought dark irons up 😃
hollow dock
I did cuz they're the perfect example for bringing in High elves to the allianc as an allied race
same with the Frostwolves
ruby star
Exactly, it's only logical for High Elves to be made an allied race
distant folio
Except the silver covenant is already part of the alliance
the dark irons we are recruiting are not part of the alliance
if you have another group of high elves significant enough that we could recruit into the alliance, please mention them
ruby star
You contradict yourself
distant folio
No
- The silver covenant is already part of the alliance
- The dark irons we are recruiting as an allied race are not part of the alliance
So if you have another group of high elves significant enough (so, not like 2 people) and that is not already part of hte alliance and that we could recruit, please mention them
Im serious Id be glad if you could prove me that such a thing exists
ruby star
As High Elves are already apart of the Alliance they should be made an allied racePLAYABLE 😃 and Dark Irons are already apart of teh alliance we are just getting them in formally 😃 Either way they are PART of the ALLIANCE so they should be playable, and Allied race system supports them
distant folio
Oh I see but that is not how the allied race system works. You dont play as people who are already part of Alliance/Horde (othewise they wouldnt be a people you ally with..). You recruit new people/groups who were not already part of the faction so you can play as them.
- The silver covenant is already part of the alliance
- The dark irons we are recruiting as an allied race are not part of the alliance. We recruit them and they become playable.
So if you have another group of high elves significant enough (so, not like 2 people) and that is not already part of hte alliance and that we could recruit (or ally with, hence "allied race), please mention them
heavy cairn
the thing is, the dark irons have acted as part of the alliance since MoP
even if they were not formally part of it
I don't see why that sort of technicality should bar a race from becoming an "allied race" (as in, silver covenant already being formally in the alliance barring them from being an allied race)
the dark iron already are doing stuff for the alliance war effort before technically being "allied races". there's side quests in zuldazar about it.
wild pewter
Are they Dark Irons from outside or inside the mountain though?
heavy cairn
they're the dark irons that moira commands (not sure if you are talking about the allied race or the ones I saw in zuldazar, but they are both one and the same)
hollow dock
but the dark irons have already been in the alliance since cata.
heavy cairn
exactly
not formally though according to
Queen Regent Thaurissan, it is good to see you again.
Same to ye, King Wrynn.
You have represented your people admirably in the Council of Three Hammers.
The Dark Iron have proven loyal to our cause for years, instrumental in many battles.
Aye.
It is my great honor to formally invite you to the Alliance, and to apologize for taking so long to make it official.
Eh, just a formality, King! No harm done.
The Dark Iron accept the invitation. For the Alliance!```I'm pretty sure that's the basis of Pan's argumentFrostwolves, which are Draenor orcs, have been in since WoD for the horde.
eyy th blizzcon sale is up
wild pewter
But you've got those that haven't left the mountain, and those that have. I guess when the Allied race is unlocked, canonically they'll all leave the mountain or the ones inside will join the Alliance formally too
hollow dock
The point is, the race itself was already within the alliance.
same with the other race for horde.
which is why people have been demanding them
heavy cairn
yes, I agree with that vris.
ruby star
sighs Pan Peter honestly. The Allied race system was made as an easy way to add in races (New race to the alliance &old races which would of never become playable but the Allied race system means they could become playable) or something like that
wild pewter
Sub-races. I'm talking story though 😃
heavy cairn
^^ allied race reduces the development time by not requiring whole zones, questlines, and too many models to be created. they don't have to stick by the absolute technical definition of "ally", if it's a race that they are fine with players playing
ruby star
^
yeah that also
High Elves being part of the Alliance already makes a stronger case towards them becoming an allied race then not becoming one
wild pewter
I believe the characters we make are ones that leave the mountain and there are separate factions of Dark Irons, so I'm guessing they all unite under the Alliance banner.
heavy cairn
just like any race there are going to be rogue sects
I'd wager if the legion had not been fully defeated some felborne would still be sticking around
wild pewter
Which I think is what Pan is trying to say, we're recruiting the Rogue sects into the Alliance as well
There aren't any Rogue sects of High Elves I can think of (I want to play them just as much as you don't get me wrong)
heavy cairn
well the only rogue sect of high elves (under blizzard's no-playable-high-elf justification definition) I know of are playable (void elves)
wild pewter
Exactly
ruby star
But it's good to know High Elves are not off the table (no race off the table yet) and that they have acknowledged them being a community favourite for an alliance allied race 😄 and that they have no definitive plans to share yet but it's not off the table. Theres so many positives about adding them, hardly any negatives
hollow dock
Ofc nothings ever off the table
ruby star
Yeah, but a lot of anti High Elves use the excuse it's not going to happen etc you got Void Elves thats it etc
wild pewter
I would be surprised if we got them, but that doesn't mean I don't want them.
terse patrol
Most anti high elves are anti high elf because they like to be counter culture.
“I don’t like (popular thing). 😎 “
heavy cairn
the only negative I can think of is "racial silhouette" which is apparently something important when designing allied races 🤔
terse patrol
Thats no longer a thing
Now that Void Elves are in.
Also, they can just give High Elves a unique standing stance.
ruby star
yeah like a modified Human idle animation etc
heavy cairn
however it is still a thing, they're fine with a few races sharing it but they don't want to add too many too quickly and get players """confused"""
they are elves, really? who cares that they look like other elves
ruby star
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They'd Be Overwhelmingly Well Received: Forget the forums. The reality is that the vast majority of the player base don't care about the arguments here. What they do care about, though, is having fun playable options with character races and classes that pique their interest. And High Elves would be well received by the vast majority of the player base who, according to realmpop, either play Blood Elves (21.4%), Humans (15.1%), or Night Elves (14.4%), which clearly demonstrates that High Elves would be appealing to a large swathe of the player base.
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They'd Make the Alliance Player Base Happy: High Elves have been requested since Vanilla. So to finally see them become a playable option would be exciting. Particularly given the lackluster Allied Race options which the Alliance has received so far. Of all the potential options for the Alliance, there's no option which would be as popular or as widely well received as High Elves.
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They'd Serve the Story Needs of Battle for Azeroth: Playable High Elves would tie into the BfA story in two ways. Firstly, as an army for Vereesa to lead, giving her more significance in the lore, and putting her on more equal footing with both Sylvanas and Alleria. Secondly, they'd serve as a means to further play on the conflicts in the northern parts of the Eastern Kingdoms, as the Alliance will eventually be marching on Quel'Thalas. And when they do, the High Elves should be at the forefront (Maybe a Ghostlands Warfront?).
- They'd Be Profitable for Blizzard: Once again, High Elves are likely the most popular option for an Allied Race, for both Alliance and Horde. Popularity translates into real money for Blizzard. Whether that money be in continued subscription time for someone who may have otherwise unsubbed for whatever reason, but finds their interest renewed with a new High Elf character, a Horde player paying for a faction change, an Alliance player paying for a race change, or a player paying for a level boost. And even if a player foregoes any of those services and decides to level from 20, Blizzard benefits from that in populating the leveling zones with players. in terms of real dollars, Blizzard could likely make millions of dollars from the introduction of High Elves. Money which they then could use to fund the development of other, far less popular Allied Race ideas.
Those are a great many benefits. In comparison to that, the only downside is a loud contingent of people complaining about it on the forums. If you were Blizzard and you could create a playable race which you knew would be instantly popular, would help assuage the worries of 50% of your player base who, thus far, have a lot of cause to be concerned when it comes to BfA (Whether it's the poor selection of Allied Races or the mediocre questing content in Kul Tiras), and can add millions of dollars to your coffers, all at the price of some belly aching on the forums, what would you do?
(This is some positive reasons from the forum)
terse patrol
Most of the people vocally against elves are the tiny minority.
The numbers are proof.
Most people play elves.
heavy cairn
drorith is completely right with that wall of text
I'd happily pay for a race change if it was something I always wanted
personally I'm a horde player--however I wanted nightborne the minute I saw them when legion came out and after preordering bfa I race changed as soon as I could
terse patrol
I still want them to fix Nightborne faces
heavy cairn
would be nice if more variety was added for nightborne faces and skin tones but blizz still got my money lol
terse patrol
I just want their narrow eyes
ruby star
Alliance
- High Elves
- Vrykul
- Wildhammer Dwarves
- Broken
- Jinyu
- Mecha-Gnomes
- Night Elf Worgen
I'd like to see these tbh
hollow dock
OK Ima be fair
Night elf worgen dont change worgen.
Theyre the same physically in worgen form
ruby star
true
lusty latch
What make people think that we're getting more then 6 allies races for each side?
trail sail
Sethrak please
hollow dock
Blizzard is giving us 2 more allied races?
Draenor orcs and Kultiras humans
that's 8 now
lusty latch
Blizz is not going to overkill us with races.
hollow dock
We're not saying to give it to us all in BFA
just like over time. Slowly. Every now and thent o fill in content gaps
o gawd
wall of text incoming
lusty latch
And Blizz is not going to waste a spot on High Elves when there are other races to choice
hollow dock
It's not a waste lol
there's no limit to how many they want to put in.
Especially since its pretty successful with just the four we have right now
ruby star
How is it a waste, when it's the most highly reuqested allied race?
heavy cairn
my guess is sethrak/vulpera for 9.0 preorder bonus (similar to the 4 we got now)
hollow dock
The main complaint with High elves from blizzard over the years is that theres not much to work with them as a full fledged race
Now, with allied races, that no longer is a workable excuse
lusty latch
for Christ sake! Ya asking them to use the blood elves model for the third time
lusty latch
and the only change will be the eyes
hollow dock
You dont know that in the slightest bit
HM tauren are literally different horns and some tats from normal tauren
heavy cairn
give horde fire night elves, i.e. same type as druid of the flame
there, elf model reuse "fair"
ruby star
@lusty latch Sigh Have you read the community suggestions -_-
lusty latch
gave us Saberons or a new butt-pull race
ruby star
theres more then just "blue eyes"
hollow dock
Lightforged are just yellow eye'd with some tats and slightly altered horns
You can give these same treatments to High Elves
ruby star
For Allied races- some key poiints
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Community Interest: If there's something a lot of people really want it's something the team will take into account.
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Animation Rigs: If they have any existing animation rigs for it that's kinda a big bonus since it saves time in putting them together.
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Story: Another thing that's really important is that they fit into the story being told at that given time.
heavy cairn
tats are a given for the allied races 😉
with that and blue eyes, high elves will be completely distinct
lusty latch
not every alliance fan want more elves and dwarfs
hollow dock
That's perfectly fine that they dont!
Not every alliance wants to be a goat that's a night light
not every alliance wants to be a fat or thine human
not every alliance wants to play 1 singlular race.
same with horde.
that's not a reason to not add them in
that's the glorious thing about allied races. You dont have to play it if you dont want to. More than enough people would play it and even pay blizzard more money to transfer to what they've always wanted to be
ruby star
^
lusty latch
And I'm pretty sure Blizz won't go over then 12 races
hollow dock
Who says they wont?
ruby star
Theres no current limit Cricket 😃
hollow dock
At blizzcon they said they have plans to continue the allied race system -and- still do normal races
in the future
lusty latch
having more allies races then the main races
hollow dock
if this is successful
and currently with only the 4 we have, it's more than successful Id wager
lusty latch
And I read that dumb post on mmo-champion forums. And I'm pretty sure that's where this dumb argument came from.
hollow dock
Its not just 1 singluar post man
this is a debate that's been going on since vanilla
it's older than most of the players in the playerbase
lusty latch
Will there's must be a reason why Blizz won't let them be playable. Ya still have RIFT, they have high elves
ruby star
sighs
hollow dock
Blizzard has told us why many times Cricket
we even told you why blizzard hasn't done it
lusty latch
and yet alliance got Void Elves instead
hollow dock
But those reasons no longer apply because of the allied race system existing for the sole purpose of getting around them
lusty latch
gawd
hollow dock
We've been in this fight since Vanilla. We've been in those trenches for a lot longer.
heavy cairn
"instead"
you're acting like void elves existing is the death sentence of pure high elves
hollow dock
There's no real reason that they dont add them in other than Blizzard simply doesnt want to.
ruby star
It's honestly very highly likely they will be added some point in the future
maybe not right now but late BFA or 9.0+
heavy cairn
I'm guessing high elves will be 9.X+ patch content
ruby star
theres a chance for 8.2 or 8.3, but only if High Elves fit into the story at the current patch time then
heavy cairn
if it's void related it's easy to rope them in, void elves, their former brethren, studying the void. they can go study alongside them.
void elves might need some magic that only the high elves know? idk
hollow dock
that wouldn't work. Arcane is open to all.
Maybe the other way around? but that wouldn't make much sense.
ruby star
Playable High Elves would tie into the BfA story in two ways. Firstly, as an army for Vereesa to lead, giving her more significance in the lore, and putting her on more equal footing with both Sylvanas and Alleria. Secondly, they'd serve as a means to further play on the conflicts in the northern parts of the Eastern Kingdoms, as the Alliance will eventually be marching on Quel'Thalas. And when they do, the High Elves should be at the forefront (Maybe a Ghostlands Warfront?). BUT adding to this
They could come in
when the Azhara
raid happens
lusty latch
I would rather Saberons, a actual race that's have major different appearances over the Worgens, then a third lazy elf race that only satisfy the 2% who still play WoW since the vanilla days
heavy cairn
azshara raid is the nighthold of bfa. probably far too early for a "patch content" allied race when zandalari troll and kultiran still have to be handed out sometime after 8.0
hollow dock
Saberon were a morph for druids so not likely
and its far from 2%
That actually better fits those that are against it
Most people dont care tbh
cuz they wont play it
ruby star
Again Cricket High Elves are a community favourite and the most highly request allied race 😉
lusty latch
will it a small number then you think
hollow dock
How do you know? Do you have any actual data? Cuz we can show it on the forums where there are thousands of posts by thousands of people with hundreds of replies each all wanting and giving ideas and feedback for High Elves.
over the 13 years of this games life cycle
hollow dock
Its perfectly fine if you dont want it to happen, but the possibility exists and we will advocate it until blizzard gives us a very hard 'no' on it.
lusty latch
Well, Blizz haven't announce anything on them so far other then they're also Void Elves. So, we just have to wait and see they answer ya praises.
hollow dock
Well they haven't even said theyre also void elves. Just hinted at it. So far, all Void Elves are still just blood elves.
In which I wouldn't mind some High elf features to also be on Void Elves.
terse patrol
I’m sure if Vereesa dies, they’d make Arator the new leader of the High Elves.
terse patrol
They could easily do something like the old Warcraft 2 elf face paint. @dense plover
A new standing stance.
distant folio
@wild pewter Exactly. The dark irons which we recruit in BFA were not part of the Alliance (that's Moira's group), they are a different group of dark irons, isolated in their mountain with their own separate leader. Because the allied races are recruited, so they can't already be part of a faction, it'd be like recruiting "Orgrimmar orcs", who are already part of the Horde. So in order to get high elves, even if their race is technically already part of the Alliance, we'd need to recruit a separate group of high elves as an allied race.
ruby star
not if you gave them a modified human idle animations/stance etc @dense plover
hollow dock
So the dark irons were apart of the alliance in cata.
distant folio
Moira's group, yes. Not the ones we recruit in BFA.
hollow dock
So the dark irons were apart of the alliance in cata.
hollow dock
So would void elves peach
dense plover
Void elves are purple
hollow dock
Its PVP. They're not stopping to see anything more than the red bar
dense plover
It’s a visual difference
ruby star
But in PVp you'd see a red name
dense plover
From a distance void and blood elves look different
hollow dock
How is a full armored Void elf any different to a full armored blood elf?
dense plover
From a distance high elves would not
ruby star
and in pvp you tend not to sit there and admire there gear
distant folio
I think the pvp argument kind of fell down recently. It's true that initially their stance was that races needed to have a unique silhouette to be easily reconigzable in PvP. But now with allied races you have races that literally share the same silhouette or even model/skeleton, like void+blood elves or highmountain/normal tauren etc.
ruby star
good point Vris
lusty latch
and most of these features ya listing are just pipe dreams
hollow dock
They really aren't Cricket
they're a reality with the Highmountain Tauren and Lightforged Draenei.
distant folio
which features? (havent followed)
lusty latch
yes
distant folio
Should be a blood elf option honestly, with a blue version so you can be a high elf
hollow dock
A high elf that wears horde colors :lul:
ruby star
a little more muscular
distant folio
^ blood elves
ruby star
differn't hair styles
distant folio
High elves arent more muscular
ruby star
Human modified idle stance and animations etc
lusty latch
the animations, the race traits, hairstyles,
hollow dock
They aren't tho. We are already told Fel does change one physically.
terse patrol
Could make High Elves not have that haughty idle animation that belves have.
distant folio
Uh, no.
Theres a reason theyre called high elves
always been pretty haughty
its not something unique to blood elves
hollow dock
Not true.
High Elves are called such because of their transformation down from the Highborne.
They are the Quel'dorei, the 'high children'.
distant folio
And because they are the upper/noble class.
terse patrol
Blood elves are portrayed as haughty hedonists.
distant folio
i.e, the haughty ones.
terse patrol
High elves aren’t
hollow dock
Yea blood elves are a lot more Haughty
distant folio
Don't stay "not true" when you dont know shit. You will not find one statement saying that blood elves are more haughty than high elves.
hollow dock
YES LOL look at Silvermoon
distant folio
Silvermoon which was high elven until like 10 years ago?
hollow dock
they have hooka stations everywhere. You can even hear it in their voice lines.
hollow dock
So where was it mentioned when they created Silvermoon that they also created Hooka stations with it?
terse patrol
@distant folio Do I need to call a mod in here? Don’t be disrespectful.
hollow dock
Why aren't there the same in the Lodges?
What about Dalaran in the High Elf areas? Why aren't the same there?
distant folio
Where was it mentioned that hookas were a new creation?
lusty latch
sorry, but as both a Alliance and Horde player I think High Elves would be a terrible idea
lusty latch
true
hollow dock
You're stating 'Theyve always been there' but have never actually been seen/mentioned until BC.
lusty latch
But how can you denied a race like the Saberons over another boring elf race?
hollow dock
Because we dont see it as boring. You do.
lusty latch
They would make a better ally then them
hollow dock
I personally feel like Saberon are more boring because theyre just mancats.
There's nothing really there.
and I love that Pan hasn't learned to not argue with me.
distant folio
@terse patrol You guys literally pull "facts" out of your asses and proclaim they are truth. No, high elves are not more haughty than blood elves. I dare you to find one statement about this. If you can't find any, it means you can't claim that. High elves have always been the upper/noble class of elven society, and thus always been the haughty ones, from the day of Azshara's Highborne, to their exile from Night Elven society, to the destruction of their society by Arthas, and to this day still as even Elisande says that high elves are "[peasants] playing at nobility".
Saying high elves are less haughty than blood elves because the latter have hookas is straight up ridiculous.
distant folio
Its not a point at all.
hollow dock
So then why bring it up as a point?
distant folio
You did.
ruby star
High ELves been a communtiy Favourite and the most highly requested allied race, shows that not all people find them boring @lusty latch
hollow dock
Yea because its something the blood elves have that the high elves dont
distant folio
Yeah. So warlocks are super haughty too because they have hookas in their order hall, woah.
hollow dock
In which find me examples of their haughtiness being more than blood elves.
distant folio
Youre the one saying one is more haughty than the other. Because they have hookas.
hollow dock
Cuz in game I dont find a single high elf that actually looks down at me
but blood elves do. and they got hookas.
dense plover
omg
distant folio
in game I dont find a single high elf that actually looks down at me
Well you might want to play this game called "world of warcraft" and play through some high elven "content" (i.e the like 7 questlines there is ingame).
hollow dock
I dont remember such. Where was it?
dense plover
all of them are just as hoighty-toity as blood elves
distant folio
"Yea but blood elves have hookas" - Vris
dense plover
they only split from blood elves very recently vris
hollow dock
Where have I said that quote?
distant folio
Literally the single most stupid argument I have ever heard in my life
hollow dock
They split from the blood elves after arthas and that's over a decade ago now
dense plover
do you think they would stop being stuck up assholes after leaving quelthalas
hollow dock
(I do love that I pointed it out once as a single point among many and he says that's all I think about)
distant folio
Its literally the only point you have brought up in your argument that high elves are not haughty and dont look down on people while blood elves do.
hollow dock
In which I do have to say, in Hinterlands I dont remember any High elves ever being nasty to me like Blood elves are.
distant folio
While at the same time being wrong on the entire line.
hollow dock
You still haven't disproven me so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
distant folio
Blood elves have hookas so they are more haughty than high elves, thats a fact - Vris
hollow dock
I haven't said that.
distant folio
Yes you literlaly have
hollow dock
Yea. Hooka stations are a sign of High class.
distant folio
So you did say those words, dont act like you didnt.
hollow dock
Yet the high elves have a severe lack of them. Do you not see that?
I never said its a fact
You told me I said its a fact
distant folio
hollow dock
Which means i said its a fact apparently
distant folio
"Yea blood elves are a lot more Haughty. they have hooka stations everywhere"
How is this anything but a fact ?
hollow dock
Because its an example?
distant folio
No, you put it as a fact.
hollow dock
No where did I state its a fact.
distant folio
That sounds like a suggestion or an idea concept to you?
hollow dock
yes? Because of what Hookas represent
distant folio
You realize that something being used as an example doesnt change it being used as a fact right?
hollow dock
You do realize an example is not always fact right?
distant folio
What is it, if not a fact? Because it sure doesnt sound like an idea.
hollow dock
I'm also fairly certain I can breath and you can say Im wrong at this point
distant folio
"Yea blood elves are a lot more Haughty. they have hooka stations everywhere"
- This is not a suggestion
- This is not an idea or concept
- This is a claim.
'
hollow dock
Blood elves are a lot more haughty.
distant folio
Why are you arguing that what you said isnt a fact?
hollow dock
that is a fact. They have hooka stations everywhere. That is also a fact.
hollow dock
Hooka stations being everywhere is a sign of high class.
hollow dock
I didn't
I didn't state its a fact
They are two seperate facts. But together they are an idea.
distant folio
"No where did I state its a fact."
"that is a fact. They have hooka stations everywhere. That is also a fact."
hollow dock
Why you haven't learned to stop arguing with me I'll never know
distant folio
You said you never stated its a fact, but then you said its also a fact. 😂
hollow dock
Yup
distant folio
Smart move
distant folio
Moira's dark irons, yes. Not the ones we recruit in BFA.
hollow dock
Yup the dark irons have been in cata and we're re-recruiting them into the alliance.
Anyways, I think I'm done with the harassment from ya.
<@&299347348847329281>
distant folio
Moira's dark irons, yes. Not the ones we recruit in BFA.
wild pewter
Pan Peter is hardly "harrassing" anyone Vris.
hollow dock
Everything I say is wrong. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
distant folio
That doesnt mean Im harassing you. Moira's dark irons have been in the Alliance since Cata. Not the ones we recruit in BFA. You saying the opposite does make you wrong.
wild pewter
Vris to be fair, you like to stir the pot :/
tawny tree
Quit it, both of you.
distant folio
In how many arguments (or "harassments" apparently) must Vris coincidentally be (and start, in multiple cases such as this one) before something is done about him? He literally admitted to having been trolling me/us this entire discussion, several times, and then calls the mods saying he was being harassed to stop the argument he started on purpose.
tawny tree
@distant folio I told you to stop. Not gonna repeat myself after this.
Unless your message that you're typing currently has something to do with bfa. I'd advice you not to finish it. If you have any issues with a specific member. Poke one of us moderators and we'll find a solution to your issue.
lusty latch
👏🏿
hollow dock
I think it's interesting how they're changing the PVP system in BFA.
lusty latch
Now that's over, what's the deal with no heirage armor for the main races?
hollow dock
Yup!
dense plover
but they have to figure out how they want to award it to people who have already leveled a race
and have been playing it a long time
lusty latch
and if they do what will they look like?
tranquil steeple
"already leveled a race" well guess I'm not really getting it unless I make a new one
dense plover
blood elves get the blood elf guard armor, but Hi-res
tranquil steeple
All my chars were boosted, pretty much. (Except DH)
hollow dock
Where was all ofthis said Peach? I dont remember any news coming out about it.
dense plover
it was mentioned in one of the interviews or a QA
tranquil steeple
But with the new leveling system, and after BfA launch.. I might just go through the leveling ordeal to get it, depending on how nice it is per race.
hollow dock
I know they wanted to do something similar for the other races, since the Base races should not be outclassed by the allied races.
dense plover
essentially they said - we would like to eventually add heritage armor for the OG races, but we need to figure out how to award it to players whove been playing their race for a while, and we wont be focusing on that until allied races are done
hollow dock
Was that updated upon?
lusty latch
I think the Orcs should have either Thrall's old war armor mix with his Jesus robe or Saurfang's armor
hollow dock
So like thralls master skin over in HOTS?
Saurfangs armor is just a high rez Warrior T1 or T2 set.
tranquil steeple
I could see Saurfang's armor being a possible candidate, but Thrall's armor... doubt it.
lusty latch
@hollow dock yeah, that's could work
dense plover
Honestly humans and orcs are getting the closest to heritage armor from the warfronts
hollow dock
Well those armor sets are specifically for PVP I thought. Bellular just went over it and said those are tiered armor sets for PVP.
tranquil steeple
However much I'd want to have it myself, I just can't see it getting into player hands unless it's a new set of armor based off from it
dense plover
The plate gear there pretty much fulfills the fantasy at least for alliance
No
Warfront armor is not pvp
There is pve warfront gameplay
hollow dock
I timestamped it right at the part he shows it
dense plover
I can’t watch a vid right now
Look
There’s warfront armor
3 tiers for each faction and armor type
It isn’t a war mode reward
hollow dock
yea. that's for PVP gear is what Bellular is claiming from his time on campus
jade basalt
dense plover
Because warfronts are pve and pvp
hollow dock
Warfront isnt specifically for one or the other its just the faction. So Im not sure how that'd be for the humans and orcs is my confusion.
dense plover
They said at Blizzcon the armor was from warfronts
lusty latch
Will the Orcs can go with this one
https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.net/allstars_gamepedia/thumb/a/a9/Thrall_Warchief_of_the_Horde.jpg/489px-Thrall_Warchief_of_the_Horde.jpg?version=80d2be3cf1c681e3d64ddad610220bcb
hollow dock
Not that one
dense plover
The point of heritage armor is to think orcs
hollow dock
the other one Cricket.
tropic trail
warfronts are pure pve right?
jade basalt
Haven't followed the whole conversation but they did say something along the lines of heritage armor for the old races being a cool idea, but that for now they are focused on allied races solely. And that they'd have to find another way to grand the OG ones the heritage set.
dense plover
^
lusty latch
hollow dock
hellhammer I think can work for Orcs.
jade basalt
Hmm yeah agreed. Or shaman. Or blademaster because of the pearls !
dense plover
Orc armor should be like the ogrimmar guard set but fancy
Think OG orc armor from the Warcraft games
jade basalt
Warfront armor looks a lot like what a heritage orc armor could be. It's also a bit too heavily armored though so a heritage set for orcs could be a bit less "juggernaut"-style.
This would've been cool, but a lot of its elements have been incorporated into the warfront set. https://orig00.deviantart.net/f568/f/2014/116/3/4/warcraft___a_lion_among_wolves_by_samwisedidier-d7g4xqx.jpg
The shoulder cloak is dope tho
lusty latch
Also Blizz need to add a "one-shoulder" option for transmogging
dense plover
That type of human armor
hollow dock
they have for Leather wearers Cricket
tranquil steeple
I think Cricket means
jade basalt
There are some asymmetrical shoulder pads from both old and recent content, but they should definitely do more.
tranquil steeple
a toggle for normal shoulders that are on both
to only be one side
instead of select item only being one side
lusty latch
^ this
tranquil steeple
It's still just a suggestion/something to hope for
jade basalt
Heritage armor set for orcs = almost completely naked with 1 pauldron https://i.pinimg.com/736x/6c/ae/39/6cae399f7777ec9c043f8e28137f3b7c--warcraft-orc-world-of-warcraft.jpg
or almost completely naked with 2 pauldrons http://www.zbrushcentral.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=108134
jade basalt
Exactly
tranquil steeple
Tbh for Orcs
hollow dock
actually no the first is missing a shoe as well