if it was an "ancestor" thing
#beta-ptr-spoilers
sharp bluff
not really, a lot of tribal societies kept bones of their ancestors as a form of protection
steel venture
actual skulls
but its decor.
they're just attatched on the caravan casually
is what im meaning
meager warren
People use Gargoyles/ Scarecrows
hollow dock
It's not tha tunheard of tbh
tropic trail
maybe there's no regular fox mobs because they killed them all for their decorative tails.
but most likely it's a decorative detail that you shouldn't think too hard about, like orcs putting spikes on all their buildings for no reaosn.
hollow dock
R U L E O F C O O L
terse patrol
ye it's about nigh time for new wow live content
uncut vault
Definitely not dead, but they do need to get the silithus ending out soon
really dunno why it isnt out
terse patrol
i think they're waiting for teldrassil idk why tho
uncut vault
sword cleansing definitely takes place before that
uncut vault
the only reason I can see as to why they havent released it yet is because it would give away the prepatch release date
terse patrol
maybe
uncut vault
cause the code for how long the acceleration and deceleration are in the game
rich apex
Remember when you didn't get nothing at all after the last raid
For six months or more
terse patrol
might be waiting on cinematics
rich apex
Pepperridge farm remembers
tropic trail
I hundred percent agree with what's happening.
meager warren
wow isn't dead. And don't use "literally" like that. That's not what the word means
misty blaze
meager warren
what are you talking about?
gaunt helm
@EdgyTroll#9235 its fuckin dead
hollow dock
If it was dead you wouldnt get BFA
meager warren
if it were dead, you wouldn't be able to play it now
tropic trail
If it were dead there wouldn't be server maintenance every Tuesday
wow probably won't ever die until blizz decides to stop supporting it, and that's pretty unlikely
unless they decide to make wow2 or something
or wacraft 4
but no matter what, it's still going to have a pretty large dedicated playerbase to still keep it well ahead of its competitors.
even in the intermission between expansions it's stayed larger than games like ff14
meager warren
it wouldn't make much sense to open a new game when they could just open new expacs to the old one
radiant cairn
tropic trail
most likely not supposed to happen lol
and releasing a new game isn't out of the question. They could someday want to update a lot of the older wow systems that just couldn't be updated without a complete rework from the ground up.
will it happen any time soon tho? probably not
rich apex
I mean
WoW looks better than most MMOs that are still standing
Even with some limitations in character customization
They sure ain't gonna spend millions on WoW 2 on a whim
Other issue aside of what happens to my 10 years worth of stuff that I collected in WoW 1
terse patrol
i want a levitating sea turtle pet
tropic trail
if they made wow2, and that's a big if, it probably wouldn't be to update the looks, it would more likely be to update core gameplay.
meager warren
how would you make core gameplay better than it is now?
rich apex
How do you update the core gameplay without driving away the player base?
I mean, everyone knows nerds -love- change
beat
broken laugh track
tropic ruin
please take no offense, but i think the only people wanting "wow 2" are the people not playing wow
"wow 2" will just not happen. from activision point of view, it would be a financial disaster. wow is easier to maintain like it's now, expansions and everything
rich apex
I mean I would love it if Blizz massively updated graphics and character customization
But
Imma realist
tropic trail
I didn't mean to imply that I wanted wow 2 necessarily, but that it's not impossible to be conceived.
rich apex
Anything's possible to concieve
tropic trail
and hyper is right, they'd kill their playerbase, just like everquest did
rich apex
They conceived making a second MMO and Metzen gave himself anxiety trying to make new gamplay that wasn't WoW and wouldn't cannibalize the player base 😛
tropic trail
yeah, them trying to run 2 mmos at the same time was a silly idea
or wanting to run 2
I think turning it into overwatch was the smart move
rich apex
It sure worked out well for them
meager warren
if they figured out how to move WoW to consoles, that would be a pretty neat update. I think that'd be worth more than making WoW 2 because that way, more people have access to it
rich apex
I mean the only thing I even want from a theoretical WoW 2 is a completely overhauled character creator
tropic trail
There was huge backlash when one of the devs said he played on a tablet computer
rich apex
Like that's pretty much the only thing other MMOs do better
tropic trail
I can only imagine what would happen if they ported it to console
there are a few mmos that handle questing better
rich apex
But SWTOR and ESO hamstring themselves by obliging the player to only be able to play races that are all conveniently the same sized humanoid, so
Win some, lose some
tropic trail
wows open world basically means "do the quests in this zone then move on"
rich apex
(On the other hand, in ESO's case, it's not like we'd ever get playable Akaviri anyways)
meager warren
ESO's problem is, they tried to make Skyrim an MMO
rich apex
That too
tropic trail
ESOs problem is that people try to compare it to skyrim
meager warren
it's basically Skyrim.
What, with being an TES game and all
rich apex
Not 15 bucks a month full time great of a game
But F2P, so, you don't need to, and thus you don't get as much content
tropic trail
b2p
tropic trail
it helps filter some of the unsavory community out, unlike straight up f2p
rich apex
It doesn't count if you get stopped at level 20 man
meager warren
sure it does
tropic trail
you can't talk in any chat channels either can you?
meager warren
¯_(ツ)_/¯
tropic trail
but still, a pricetag does help keep the community cleaner, even if you don't notice it much
I've seen a lot more hackers in f2p games than b2p or sub games
meager warren
you and i must play different games
hollow dock
hollow dock
Of august.
quartz mango
hollow dock
he's not hating the horde. he's just showing alliance pride
ruby star
^
split valley
Woops
hollow dock
Just over 4 months
ruby star
Yeah
hollow dock
I dont want another WoD launch
ruby star
Yeah
hollow dock
game was borderline unplayable for 3 months
uncut vault
8.0 Pre-Patch
Pre-patch is likely a few weeks before the actual expansion, similar to past expansion schedules. Ion said not to quote him directly on this, nothing is official.
The pre-patch will contain content allowing players to experience the Burning of Teldrassil and Battle of Lordaeron. For example, there will be content in Darkshore - story-driven quest content and replayable outdoor skirmishes. We've datamined mounts themed around the Night Elves and Forsaken which could likely tie in to this event.
Through an awesome animated piece, which includes the two pieces of art we've previously seen, you'll learn how Teldrassil catches on fire.
Lords of war for this xpac is Teldrassil
ruby star
It's honestly made me really hyped xD
hollow dock
Im not hyped. I expect it to be absolute garbage
ruby star
Ah well hopefully it won't be! 😄 But yeah you never know
The Collectors edition looks nice
hollow dock
sucks that theres no artbook
ruby star
OH really?
That actually sucks, dammit
Elegy & A Good War: Two-sided novella covering the events leading up to Battle for Azeroth from both Alliance and Horde perspectives with original artwork.
Collector's Edition Soundtrack
Mark of Allegiance Faction Coin
Ah yeah thats a shame
tbh I will just buy it anyway and give the code to a friend
but at least Mag'har and DID come in 8.0, by completing war campaign
hollow dock
where is that said?
hollow dock
ah OK. that's pretty neat!
Glad they did make the Dark Irons not something you recruit in KT.
So that'd make Kul'tirans and Zandalari the recruit at like. 8.1 or whenever they deem it right.
Q: What's the latest info on any allied race ever being a Death Knight?
A: Allied Races fit into storylines which make sense and feed into Battle for Azeroth, and currently Death Knights are really tied to the story of the Lich King. Even though Bolvar is going down a different path than Arthas, he’s still the Lich King.
Bolvar confirmed to NOT be the next arthas
quartz mango
Heart of Azeroth coming to alpha later today
"Ion clarified that this is not a PvP expansion." lol
hollow dock
It isn't
All this is fluff for like the first patch
then Old God shenanigans happen and the faction war sits unfinished.
Again.
quartz mango
yeah the pvp expac thing was a meme from day 1 tbh
uncut vault
I mean Ions said for the second time that this is a battle FOR azeroth
hollow dock
Wait the planet, my son or me?
Yes - Azeroth being told that the Horde and Alliance are fighting over her.
Q: G'huun has been called many things, including a Blood God and Old God. Can you talk a little more about his storyline? Is it related to Hakkar?
A: He is unrelated to Hakkar. G'huun is an aberration, Old God type creature that exists in this Titan containment facility. They used this facility to try to figure out what makes Old Gods tick, including performing experiments. This led to some creepy and weird stuff there. They don't want to spoil exactly what G'huun is here but he is the result of years of experiments where they couldn't figure out how to cure this Old God disease.
peach we were like half wrong.
sharp bluff
shame, DK makes sense for DID, Zan, KT ( I think), and Mag Orcs (look at kid Saurfang, they could pull something like they did with the worgen DK)
hollow dock
Mag'har orcs aren't from our timeline. they're from Alternate Draenor Zep
WAAAAAAY after the Lich King died.
sharp bluff
And playable worgen happened later, worgen are immune to undeath, but they retconed it as different worgen
uncut vault
DK making sense in lore doesnt matter because the reason isnt a lore one
its a design one
sharp bluff
There were uncorputed orcs that came through the portal
uncut vault
starting at 55 is a pretty clear advantage
hollow dock
not true Zep
only the Gilnean worgen are heavily resistent to Undeath curse
Argul's worgen aren't
sharp bluff
really? that seems kinda... st... odd, since they infected the gilneans
distant folio
actually thats not true Vris
hollow dock
that's how its explained Pan.
It's the ritual from elune that makes the Worgen so resilient
distant folio
Yes, but what you said is not true
the thing is that the worgen could only be raised through the power of the Lich King. sylvanas' val'kyr thus cant raise worgen because they're too resistant for them.
hollow dock
I didn't say that.
distant folio
you said that only t he gilnean worgen were resistant, not arugal. that is wrong. all worgen are resistant. the thing is that without the LK, sylvanas' val'kyr can't raise them, be they gilnean or arugal.
so it has nothing to do with their origins. it has to do with the LK not being there.
sharp bluff
The Male Undead - Well, that's up to Sylvanas!
So wait...
it might happen?????
upright forsaken wooo
distant folio
What do you mean "the male undead"?
sharp bluff
Q: When will Orcs get the upright posture? Will other races have the option to stand upright, like Male Undead?
A: They believe that the barbershop option will be available for the Green Orcs right when pre-patch hits. The Male Undead - Well, that's up to Sylvanas!
hollow dock
The male gender of undead
distant folio
Ah the male undead model
hollow dock
the question was about straight backs for Green Orcs and Male undead.
distant folio
there is a slightly less hunched animation for them in BFA... maybe he's referring to that
hollow dock
Green orcs come in prepatch
distant folio
yes but you said "green orcs come in prepatch", was confusing 😃
hollow dock
to the question of straight backs
sharp bluff
oh the questions in this interview are pretty good ones
Q: Is the The Hivemind a part of a future adventure to require the community to use their brain?
A: No hints.
so the bee mount will be a riddle probably
sharp bluff
oh i did not know they were mantids, that would make sense
hollow dock
on the island broadcasts you get a chance to spawn in mantid. The Mantid are noted to ride bees.
sharp bluff
Q: How are the Guardian and Feral artifact transmog forms going to work?
A: They will work. They're working out the technical aspects.
Q: What is going to happen to Hati?
A: They have plans. Not ready to talk about them yet.
Interesting about that hunter pet
hollow dock
they tested out making 'Hati' into a BM talent
that's significantly worse than Hati since it doesn't let you do double KC
sharp bluff
Sylvanas is evil! Can you say something to Horde players worried we could be getting a Warchief soon, similar to Mists?
Sylvanas has always been aggressive, she's never been a pacifist. There is war going on, but she is the Warchief and is trusted and followed. As we saw on the battlefield of Lordaeron, there is a great deal of inspiration around her.
Interesting... they did not say she was good or evil
sudden oak
saying she is good would be a lie saying she is evil would push her even more into "she is a raid boss" hole
sharp bluff
true
sudden oak
and the sylvanas haters would be even more insufferable
and the fan boys "sylvanas is mah waifu" would riot
sharp bluff
last OG wow horde leader is my reason for not wanting her to die
Q: We now know where Alleria and Turaylon are, so what about Wrathion?
A: Have we seen the last of Wrathion? Or more interesting, is he really one of the last black dragons? There are islands that we have not been to where Dragonflights might be hiding out and you may see some of them show up on Island Expeditions.
I like how they answered this
frigid umbra
Where us this q/a
sharp bluff
They did not say whether we would meet corrupt black dragons, or none corrupt ones
frigid umbra
Tnx
sharp bluff
np
sudden oak
I just want for wrathion to come back
and do stuff
and seduce a young human king
wrathion should have appeared again in legion
hollow dock
Yea he should have. Still no idea why they scrapped him for ebonhorn.
bleak owl
Don't know if it was mentioned before but raptors seems like have gotten new animations too. A lot more wiggling with butts while running. Looks nice
sudden oak
and the best part of all is that he was in northrend when the deaths of chromie scenario
that made me so salty
sharp bluff
set up to show more black dragons by the look of it, to show Wrathion lied
sudden oak
I mean I doubt he could track black dragons in the broken isles
hollow dock
You can't lie about something you're not aware of
To his knowledge, he wiped out all the black dragons.
frigid umbra
Do with a stable release date is the beta flud games opening... aka beta keys giveaways/contests... mass account beta activations?
So*
hollow dock
Not that we know of
strange falcon
mass account is for the stress test of the servers
hollow dock
We can only assume that alpha will end within the next month or so
strange falcon
which is very late in beta
hollow dock
and beta starts up and sometime in july is when the flood gates open and almost everythings already been fixed
terse patrol
“Only one of us wanted this war.” Sylvanas: antagonist smirk
hollow dock
If you haven't gotten in by then, I honestly think you should just wait and not burn yourself out on content that's not live.
frigid umbra
True
sharp bluff
you mean, the knowledge we think he knows
hollow dock
Or the knowledge that he already has.
uncut vault
the announced weather 2.0 is already real nice on alpha
uncut vault
afternoon rainstorm vs morning clouds
will also be getting new effects like fog and sandstorms
across EK and Kalimdor as well as new stuff
terse patrol
Good
strange falcon
they really nailed the ambience sounds in zandalar
steel venture
ASDFHSKDGASDF AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA BLESS
TRUE DAY/NIGHT AGAIN
THAT IS SOME GOOD SHIT.
hollow dock
GOOD SHIT. GOOD SHIT. THAT'S SOME GOOD SHIT IF I DO SAY SO MYSELF. I DO SAY SO.
dense plover
Apparently all the shot happened today
Seriously though, August 14th for expac
This means prepatch in mid july
hollow dock
A little over 4 months
dense plover
Which was my original theory XD
hollow dock
Im kinda worried for the launch.
ruby star
Yeah, hopefully Alliance content won't be like Cata
dense plover
The game at this point is more stable than legion or warlords were
hollow dock
it's such a small amount of time and given the launch of 'rushed' content in the past.
I'm just concerned is all.
dense plover
It doesn’t seem rushed
hollow dock
WoD's alpha and beta didn't feel like that either
dense plover
Some people dislike the alliance stuff because it isn’t as exciting and rooted in old lore
hollow dock
and the launch was absolutely horrible
ruby star
Oh yeah WoD launch sucked
dense plover
I actually think the alliance content is good
ruby star
Legions launch was great
dense plover
But I think they need to tweak the quests for some of the zones
Hey should be more fun
Voldun has a quest where you get to be a snake
hollow dock
snakes confirmed for allied race
dense plover
Why is there not a quest where you get to do something fun in Kul Tiras?
It’s just that the quests aren’t as exciting
hollow dock
Yes!
hollow dock
rain storms
True day/night cycle
During and after a storm
dense plover
Damn
That’s awesome
Also
They confirmed ghuun is not an old god
And that maghar and dark irons are coming first
ruby star
yeah War Campaign
hollow dock
theyre the starting traits
dense plover
Leveling gear shouldn’t have great traits
hollow dock
ofc theyre supposed to be meh
dense plover
Otherwise you wouldn’t upgrade
But the worry was we haven’t seen actual traits, so we don’t know what those will look like
tulip sun
That trailer announcing the release date sure is cool
hollow dock
Weather is all I really care about tbh
wide lance
day/night was the best, sneaking through a forest at night , with night based mobs, mmmmm good terror times
tulip sun
I liked seeing that gameplay of the siege at the start...
I will wanna look around and others are gonna rush through lol
ruby star
@tulip sun Yess! The trailer was pretty cool! 😄
tulip sun
Seeing those dark rangers makes me wanna play one
I can't wait to play through the attacks and pre patch
Ooohhhhhhhh, and the cinematics....i can't wait
ruby star
Yess they should defo release Dark Rangers & High Elves out together! 😄 in the future and Same! 😄
hollow dock
there's no real room for dark rangers tho
terse patrol
Disappointed that we won’t be getting Mag’har and Dark Irons in the pre patch
hollow dock
we will be getting them in prepatch what
lunar abyss
Today is a good day
ruby star
Yeah the war campaign
hollow dock
no they said Mag'har and Dark Irons will be unlockable in Prepatch
ruby star
Pretty sure it said War Campaign???
terse patrol
“Mag'har Orcs and Dark Iron Dwarf Allied Races will be available after completing the Battle for Azeroth War Campaign. The Kul Tiran Human and Zandalari Troll Allied Races will be unlocked later in the expansion, after they respectively join the Alliance and the Horde.”
hollow dock
When are Mag'har Orcs and Dark Iron Dwarves coming?
They will be coming in the 8.0 patch, and available by playing through the War Campaign.
Kul Tiran and Zandalari are coming a bit later on, as they reflect the core story of these factions joining the Alliance or Horde.
Beyond that...there's lots of potential for more Allied Races, more to come, but nothing to talk about now.
terse patrol
Unless they mean that Teldrassil and Lordaeron are the “war campaign”
hollow dock
That's the assumption since the Mag'har leader notes that orcs suddenly go up straight when she arrives. Which they get their backs straightened in Prepatch
and Prepatch is 8.0
ruby star
Muffinus said they are planned to release/unlock after the proper launch of 8.0 BFA https://youtu.be/HyDQF0SisAA?t=172
(DID,Mag'har)
lunar abyss
So how do I get the money back in my bnet balance if I'm preordering BFA collecters edition if I already own the digital deluxe
I read the literature but I'm like super lost on it
hollow dock
when you get the physical edition I think you get a code or maybe you put in a ticket?
lunar abyss
I really feel like they should have been more clear about that
But that's blizzard for you I guess heh
strange falcon
if i read it correctly
there's a code in the bfa box,to refund the digital deluxe
gaunt helm
who has alpha?
sudden oak
@hollow dock did you see the new hots hero?
hollow dock
No I didn't. Who is it?
sudden oak
deckard cain
hollow dock
oh yea?
hollow dock
my mistake.
though it does mean they changed their stance of 'it wont be available at launch'
dense plover
Well the war campaign isn’t all available at launch
It’s being done in a chapter unlock style similar to suramar
steel venture
It's all sorts of confusing right now but i'm pretty sure what Blizzard ACTUALLY means when you dechiper the bullshit:
"Dark Irons and Mag'har are the launch races, you might be able to get them in prepatch if you've pre-ordered."
rich apex
Uh
I'm pretty sure they said you get them after completeing the War Campaign
Which is part of the BFA launch content
rich apex
They're in launch but you have to do content to get it
hollow dock
It's available in the patch
rich apex
Unlike pandas
dense plover
But it won’t be unlocked until a later date
hollow dock
-Available- means you can get it
dense plover
Like with the class mounts on broken shore
rich apex
Sure looks like it's at launch, after you finish the War Campaign
Which probably means you gotta be 120
hollow dock
Class Mounts weren't -available- until sometime later in the patch. They even said you won't get it until you do that achievement. leaving out the word -available-
rich apex
He literally says 8.0 (and ten bucks some people assume he means prepatch and failing to read the latter half of the sentence)
dense plover
Read the interviews vris
They made it clear it’s a reward from the war campaign ml
Which won’t be fully unlocked at launch
It has a chapter unlock system
rich apex
Ion literally said they're coming in 8.0 tho
hollow dock
So then Blizzard flat out lied. It's not available in the launch patch.
dense plover
That is 8.0
hollow dock
Because again, like you pointd out with the class mounts
Blizzard did not tell us it was avaialable
dense plover
That didn’t require another patch either
hollow dock
until the acheivement was done.
rich apex
At launch tends to mean 'not behind a five week timegate'
Regardless of whether or not there's a literal patch
dense plover
And none of the announcements here are official are they?
rich apex
I mean
dense plover
It might just be a one or two week drip
dense plover
We literally don’t know
rich apex
Ion literally said they're coming in 8.0, after you play War Campaign, at a press conference
hollow dock
that would still be at launch
dense plover
But ion did say the war campaign would have a chapter unlock system as well
rich apex
Sounds as official as in-development can be
dense plover
At the press conference
The unlock system doesn’t stop it being in 8.0
It just wouldn’t literally be day one
hollow dock
Which is what 'At launch' means
rich apex
I mean, no one's getting it day one unless they can powerlevel to 120 and finish an unspecified amount of War Campaign content
But
dense plover
But this was a press conference
hollow dock
at launch means you get it as it launches
hollow dock
not 2 months after it launches
rich apex
Ion says they're in 8.0
hollow dock
because then its not at launch
dense plover
A content drip would still be 8.0 hyper
hollow dock
You dont get preorder bonuses for a game 2 months after the game has come out. You get it -at launch-.
rich apex
If it was timegated, I would think he'd say
dense plover
It doesn’t require a new patch to add the next week of quests
rich apex
Because he specifies that KT and Zanda are coming later
dense plover
He fucking did say
rich apex
But he doesn't say 8.1
dense plover
He said the war campaign is a chapter unlock system
rich apex
I'm reading the Wowhead post fam
meager warren
Ion jokes and trolls a lot so what does it matter what he says
dense plover
I don’t know how that is unclear
rich apex
He says they're coming in 8.0
But via War campaign
And KTs and Zandas at a later date
dense plover
Chapter Questing like with Suramar will be present in Battle for Azeroth. They do have two new capital cities of Boralus and Zandalar but invested heavily into the War Campaign.
hollow dock
And that DID and Mag'har are unlocked at launch. Not by finishing the warcampaign
dense plover
No
rich apex
When are Mag'har Orcs and Dark Iron Dwarves coming?
They will be coming in the 8.0 patch, and available by playing through the War Campaign.
Kul Tiran and Zandalari are coming a bit later on, as they reflect the core story of these factions joining the Alliance or Horde.
dense plover
Dark iron and maghar are from the war campaign vris
Which is possibly timegated
Again
This in the 8.0 patch
It says they are in the patch
hollow dock
When are Mag'har Orcs and Dark Iron Dwarves coming?
They will be coming in the 8.0 patch, and available by playing through the War Campaign.
Kul Tiran and Zandalari are coming a bit later on, as they reflect the core story of these factions joining the Alliance or Horde.
Beyond that...there's lots of potential for more Allied Races, more to come, but nothing to talk about now.
This is by playing through it. not finishing it.
meager warren
would i need to do pvp to unlock them or?
hollow dock
You unlock the suramar dungeons by going through its campaign. not finishing it. :v
dense plover
I’m placing heavy bets the war campaign is like getting to exalted with suramar
It will take time
And while it is technically available at launch
You can’t grind the rep
hollow dock
I'm betting that getting the allied races will take a part of the war campaign,but not at the end.
dense plover
So it will take several weeks
hollow dock
Blizz doesn't say its available unless you can actually get it.
They dont pull punches like that :v
rich apex
Technically available is still available
As opposed to timegating
Or full content patches
dense plover
Suramar was technically available at launch
But most of he quests were unavailable for weeks
hollow dock
Surmar was flat out available. You could go and be in suramar at launch.
dense plover
They were essentially timegated by rep
hollow dock
Finishing the campaign wasn't
dense plover
Finishing the first set of suramar quests was available at launch
hollow dock
Nor was there any claims from blizz that finishing it was avaialable
dense plover
That is the equivalent to the base suramar quests
hollow dock
Unlike these allied races, which do have the claim of being available
dense plover
That’s what I’m saying
I’m saying the war campaign is a storyline that will involve tasks like doing world quests and certain amounts of rep
Probably the war rep
hollow dock
that's most likely true.
hollow dock
That's fine for the -war campaign-
but we're talking about the allied races. Which aren't tied to finsihing, but by doing.
hollow dock
By not finishing. You're stating that it must be finished to get the allied races.
dense plover
You might not have to finish the whole thing
But it might be like suramar 7.0 vs 7.1
Where we get more war campaign
But the first part completed is required to get the allied races
hollow dock
which may or may not be at launch as intended by blizzard.
dense plover
We shall see once they give us actual patch notes
meager warren
can we buy the collector's edition yet?
or will that become available on august 14?
meager warren
i mean the box.
the digital deluxe isn't called collector's edition.
and that's already out.
the box isn't
rich apex
Box details should be on the Blizz site if they formally announced it
sharp bluff
account wide prestige... well I'll be
meager warren
finally
dense plover
i dont pvp, but it seems good
im just in it for war mode
no more world pvp ganking
also, i can play with my friends on pvp servers without needing to do pvp
meager warren
Has Zappyboi gotten a name yet?
meager warren
shush you
tropic trail
isn't he dead tho?
like didn't anduin pound his face in after he zapped uncle genn?
tropic trail
for saving anduin from saurfang?
tropic trail
shaman can use shields
tropic trail
pretty sure that was the same troll as before
rewatching rn to confirm
jk, you right
you can see him after anduin shouts "for the alliance"
but that scene with genn makes it look like anduin is pounding zappyboi into the ground because he zaps genn and then a troll jumps anduin
meager warren
kinky
sharp bluff
so something bothered me about the trailer, the boyking said only one of them wanted war, but I am 90% sure Genn wanted war also
tropic trail
Maybe not war, just to kick Sylvanas’ ass.
ruby star
They will probs want us to think it's Sylvanas in the trailer but it's actually Old gods or he finished it with Old gods
sudden oak
kicking Sylvanas ass would mean war either way I think tbh
also im quite sure Jaina was quite happy of hearing the war news
ruby star
I will stand by Anduin's side till the very end! For the Alliance! 😄 and Ayyy Jaina!! 😄
meager warren
Sylvanas deserves an ass-kicking though
meager warren
maybe anduin should unleash Saurfang on her and he can kick her ass
sudden oak
leave the senile orc alone
ruby star
I support Saurfang as Warchief #DownWithSlyvanas
meager warren
hey, the senile orc wants that so win-win
sudden oak
or just let him go into a self exile or that kind of bs
ruby star
Either way Slyvanas will be put in place hopefully
sudden oak
Baine is better in peace times
ruby star
Yeee
hollow dock
Yea gen only wants to wipe out the forsaken TBH. That's who he has his beef with.
ruby star
Yeah
tropic trail
He could care less about the Horde as a whole
sudden oak
in war times Sylvanas was the only option since lorthemar and saurfang dont want to be warchief
tropic trail
But in “long-term times”, she’s a bit unstable.
meager warren
he could care less about the forsaken too.
he has his beef with sylvanas
tropic trail
They invaded his city. He cares about them too.
meager warren
they invaded gilneas on the orders of sylvanas
sharp bluff
But ya, there is more then one that wants war
sudden oak
I just want 2 thing to happen in this expansions
for malf to die
and for wrathion to appear
because I doubt they will touch quel'thalas in this exp
ruby star
I think the trailer were anduin says only one of us wanted to start the war is trying to throw us of thinking its Sylvanas, when He means the old gods. But could be wrong
hollow dock
Omogg's journal
rich apex
Exactly
hollow dock
have you all forgotten already?
meager warren
yes
hollow dock
it physically can't be anduin. He hasn't told us anything.
sharp bluff
i don't read much alliance side
wild pewter
Do we actually know what the lie is though?
hollow dock
Omogg's journal is from a neutral rare in Silithus
rich apex
Ehhh
hollow dock
No we have no idea what lie that is.
meager warren
so in other words, Anduin probably hasn't told his first lie yet?
meager warren
tru
meager warren
?
rich apex
Anduin talking to the PC
meager warren
pvp artifact skin is probably not that big a deal
hollow dock
neither of which has him lying to us on anything.
rich apex
That one was a joke 😛
hollow dock
The silithus quest start is just his speech for beating hte legion.
meager warren
and what about when he was talking to Genn and Shaw?
hollow dock
There's no timeframe that we know of that he could have lied to us to help the Old Gods.
hollow dock
He had only asked questions. Questions can't be lies.
rich apex
Also presuming the lie is to the PC
meager warren
sure they can.
many questions contain presumptions
tropic trail
Eh. Wrathion would be fun.
hollow dock
You can't ask a lie
rich apex
Wrathion would be fun to murder already before he can make things worse
hollow dock
I truly dont believe he can make things worse
considering he caused the legion invasion to be as severe as it is
rich apex
Admittedly, we're already making things pretty bad without him
hollow dock
Had Wrathion not tried to use Garrosh to get a new horde to defend azeroth
we wouldn't have bothered with AU Gul'dan who opened up the portal at the Broken Shore which made the Legion invasion far more severe than any other
sharp bluff
oh my that journal is interesting, I find the parts about not being bound to a throne very interesting indeed... is the lich king not as quiet as we think?
hollow dock
Wrathion caused us the legion invasion we got. I dont think he can make shit worse.
meager warren
he probably did that to get the Alliance and the Horde to grow up and become allies
but nooo
rich apex
You mean after he bet on the Horde wiping out the Alliance
hollow dock
He didn't purposefully cause the invasion
rich apex
And then changed his mind and bet on the Alliance wiping out the Horde
hollow dock
it was just a consequence of his actions
meager warren
yes
rich apex
And then bet on Garrosh getting a new Horde to...do something
hollow dock
Defend Azeroth against hte next invasion
meager warren
to wipe out the rest of the horde
hollow dock
that was the whole plan.
rich apex
Because Garrosh has always cared about the greater good of Azeroth
hollow dock
He saw the next invasion coming. That's why he tried to get us our cloaks and unite azeroth under a single flag
meager warren
and the only way either the alliance or the horde could defend azeroth is joining each other in doing it
hollow dock
He wanted to use garrosh to unite a new orcish horde, a fresh better horde, to come and defend azeroth. He didn't realize Garrosh is a man of his own and would backstab their efforts.
meager warren
so, he saw the next invasion coming years in the future but couldn't see that Garrosh was a dick?
that's some extreme PIS
hollow dock
Pretty much
rich apex
The Legion's return was always inevitable
hollow dock
After he ate Lei Shen's heart and got a touch of Aman'thul's power, he saw it all
Which btw lets not forget that Jaina's staff has Aman'thuls power in it as well
rich apex
🤔
sharp bluff
and is a sheep
sudden oak
he was growing desperate with the coming of the legion and he thought azeroth was not prepared
hollow dock
She's the OG woolimancer
meager warren
saw it all except one thing which is really obvious and everybody else saw it. Even Baine and Cairne
sharp bluff
well reading that journal, mentioned sheep
sudden oak
so he went with the only plan he had
meager warren
sheepomancer
rich apex
Wrathion: do i want to manipulate events into pushing the horde and alliance to get over their grudges and stand united against a greater threat
Wrathion: or do i want to send an angry, defeated garrosh into the past to get an angry past-Horde and hope he'll do the right thing
hollow dock
Also Wrathion: Nah let's just make our own horde. WITH BLACKJACK. AND HOOKERS.
sudden oak
wrathion didnt believe that horde and alliance could unite
hollow dock
he's only like 2 years old
sudden oak
with the burden of protecting azeroth and resurrecting the black dragonflight
hollow dock
#notmyblackaspect
rich apex
#EbonbornforBlackAspect
meager warren
what if it's just...
Wrathion: Let's see, how can i help save Azeroth? Do i have to get rid of the Alliance, the Horde, or both? Ooh. I know. I'll send someone who's on some major rage-hormones into a past to get a corrupted Horde and bring them back to Azeroth so that they can destroy Azeroth even more
Oh yes. Best plan ever.
sudden oak
you mean the black dragon that almost got corrupted? :^)
rich apex
He still did better than Wrathion
meager warren
Ebonhorn for Warchief
rich apex
And doesn't seem like the kind of guy to let the Horde/Alliance be wiped out by the Alliance/Horde for the sake of a supposed greater good
sudden oak
I mean its not like he has done anything since his majow screw up in pandaria
rich apex
(aside from the issue that a complete persecution of the Horde/Alliance would cripple the armies of the Alliance/Horde and leave Azeroth all the more vulnerable)
sudden oak
cause blizzard doesnt want him to do anything ofc
hollow dock
and then call someone who dropped some insane wisdom and knowledge on him stupid.
sudden oak
wrathion could have been in Legion fixing what he did
traveling the broken shores helping with important stuff
helping the blue dragonflight in azsuna
hollow dock
Ima be honest
sudden oak
helping us find the hammer in highmountain
hollow dock
do you really think stella or anyone else would trust a black dragon?
rich apex
Wrathion's always been compassionate and willing to get into the dirt to help the suffering, after all
🤔
meager warren
tbh, the blue dragons don't trust anyone
hollow dock
they shouldn't all things considered
sudden oak
with a major screw up Id say wrathion would act less arrogant than in pandaria
and he doesnt need to act out of compassion
sudden oak
^
meager warren
i mean
strange falcon
@hollow dock https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/419964508447047690/431587007744180225/WoWScrnShot_040618_004645.jpg
meager warren
Wrathion acted pretty arrogant at the beginning of WoD too so i doubt it
hollow dock
OH THAT LOOKS AMAZING
meager warren
Sethrak temple?
hollow dock
What is it? A prayer alter? A tribute?
sudden oak
he could help trying to fix his mistakes and gain the trust of others
strange falcon
you arent getting the scale vris
sudden oak
also wrathion in the beginning of WoD?
strange falcon
those braziers on the side.can contain 5 standing humans in diameter
hollow dock
So it's a tribute alter.
meager warren
he encouraged Garrosh to go to a parallel universe. He intended for Garrosh to come back but Garrosh just screwed things up
meager warren
eh. close enough
sudden oak
but wasnt the one who went with garrosh Kairozdormu?
tulip sun
So
I saw an alpha photo of Garona and Valtrois around a map
And Voss with Nathan is and dark rangers killing alliance...
O.o....neat
I hope we get explanations
I am glad to see all them doing stuff
hollow dock
Kairoz was sent by Wrathion
and its pretty simple explinations Kham
Horde area. With horde people. Killing blue wearing people.
tulip sun
Vris, you ruin trying to speculate. Voss was neutral before
Do you enjoy the story and characters at all?
hollow dock
Clearly I dont because I dont treat every npc placement with wonder and amazment
meager warren
Voss was not neutral
She was more with the Horde than she was with the Alliance.
However, she was more or less her own boss
meager warren
And the Alliance hate her
hollow dock
She wasn't Pro-horde but she was the horde follower for Rogue's
tulip sun
Doesn't mean she was horde though, just that horde got her instead of tess.
And I guess there are male dark rangers now?
hollow dock
that would mean she's with the horde. if she's a horde representitive.
meager warren
Why would Tess want her?
hollow dock
Male dark rangers have always been a thing. Just a very rare thing. Sylvanas prefers females.
tulip sun
Did it ever say she was a horde representstive?
hollow dock
No, I had
tulip sun
Just because she was only for Horde players doesn't make her horde
meager warren
isn't Nathaniel a dark ranger?
hollow dock
Despite the fact that she was the hordes representitive.
meager warren
Vris isn't saying that
She's not for Horde or Alliance.
She's for herself.
Everything she does for the Horde, I assume, she does to further her own goals
tulip sun
Nathanos isssssss I suppose a dark ranger? He was a ranger in life under s ylvanas, and still is in death. He is not titled that though
He even was training some dark rangers I think somewhere
meager warren
^
jade basalt
Actually, yeah, Sylvanas named him ranger lord, and he's explicitly called a dark ranger in Before the Storm.
@tulip sun#594
hollow dock
the dark rangers, in terms of recruitment, was very similar to the Pre-cata Night elf druids and sentinels iirc
while the other gender would get in, it was a rather rare thing
meager warren
Sylvanas probably recruited him herself
copper tapir
Hmm. Argent Tourney mounts say "Legacy" on them. Are they no longer obtainable in BFA?
uncut vault
which ones?
tulip sun
@uncut vault Can you can images of the horde war ship? Where Valtrois and others are. I only have seen videos showing the alliance one
And one picture of Garona and Valtrois on the horde
I am curious who all is there
uncut vault
Sure
copper tapir
There's quite a few "Legacy" mounts, but the Argent Charger was one that I could use as a Monk, but was listed as legacy.
tulip sun
Thanks. I don't k ow why, but I like to see who is all involved
uncut vault
maghar from Silverpine and Hillsbrad
tulip sun
Gallywix...interesting. The alliance did not have anyone of that importance did they?
meager warren
Cromush? What's his location?
uncut vault
Yes
tulip sun
and he yells at us for using blight
Ahhh, it is nice to see him again
Tattersail was datamined being killed by Alliance I think a long time ago
uncut vault
The Alliance has Alleria, Falstad, Shaw, Brann and Thaelin
shandris is planned but NYI
meager warren
who dis
tulip sun
Shandris?
meager warren
ye
meager warren
o
uncut vault
tyrandes adopted daughter
meager warren
ew tyrande
tulip sun
^^ Guess that confirms she lives past Teldrassil
I hope they add more to the Horde ship
I like the giant skulls on it
Then we know Voss comes along somewhere
Hm..
Was there any datamined info if anymore hordies were being added?
I'd like to see some Highmountain tbh
tulip sun
Why are there so few on Horde compared to Alliance, lol
meager warren
We're probably not gonna see Mayla for a while if ever again
tulip sun
Why say that?
meager warren
minor character that was only relevant in one zone
tulip sun
Thalyssra is invading Stormwind. Jasan is bombing the alliance, while Valtrois is actively attacking the Alliance in the campaign....
So what were you saying about only relevant to one zone?
meager warren
Who're they
tulip sun
Do you pay attention at all? v.v
meager warren
no
tulip sun
Thalyssra is the new leader of the Nightborne, Jasan is the Chieftain of the Skyhorn Tribe, while Valtrois is like the head/major Arcanist of the Nightborne
I feel like your trolling me
@uncut vault So is the Horde War Campaigns on Kul Tiras added yet since I saw a photo of Voss with friendly human pirates?
Or not voss
The head hunter
I wish I had alpha
meager warren
maybe i am, maybe i'm not. you'll never know! 😘
uncut vault
Two of them are, tiragarde sound stuff
has the other two horde followers, Ty'jin and Voss
tulip sun
At least the followers are doing stuff beside just standing around
meager warren
wdym
tulip sun
In legion, we had maybe a mission for recruiting them, and the battle for the exodar
Then they sat in our order halls when not sent on missions
They seem to be more active now
meager warren
ooh
meager warren
;-;
when a character's appeal is reduced to their looks, that's when they start sucking
tropic trail
tyrande had a daughter?
rich apex
no
tropic trail
what's go ku talking about then?
rich apex
tbh I don't want to know
uncut gyro
@tropic trail @go ku#7854 Shandris is Tyrandes adoptied daughter
cinder knoll
@tulip sun isnt his name Lasan?
I know those letters are similar, but the direction matters 😄
hollow dock
@tropic trail dont pay attentiom to goku. Hes just a perv.
wild pewter
Shandris is meant to appear? Source?
upbeat compass
hi, there is a trik to finish the quest "Kel'vax home" near the temple? I try and fall into void 😦
wild pewter
Also - I'd very much like for Broll and Valeera to have a more active role with Anduin this expac 😄
rich apex
Which is why she can't be in the plot
Can't have a radical notion like races not be defined by their faction
dense plover
Broll bear mantle is a side character
It’s unlikely he shows up in any capacity
The same is probably true for Valeera
Although she is less of a side character than Broll
I’m hoping we see story of Tess Greymane, and I hope she ends up marrying Anduin which would give Greymane more power and would mean more Gilneas story
wild pewter
Broll and Valeera are book heavy characters though. Both turned up in Legion, though not in faction based capacity. Would just like to see them given some more love in BFA.
ruby star
WoW Battle for Azeroth Dev Interview - Islands and Wrathion
https://youtu.be/HyDQF0SisAA?t=4m13s
Time: 4:13-5:10 (End where High Elves are mentioned)!
Perculia: And you've kinda touched on this before, but talking about the Golden Blood Elves a lot of players were really surprised to see that. Especially because Ion at the past Q&A just said it wasn't really a top priority to do customization for older races, so that was really cool to see. Are more little touch-ups like that on the way and was the Golden Blood Elf Eyes something that was a long time coming?.. Or just - it was really funny timing seeing it appear right after it was said it wasn't a priority.
Jeremy Feasel "Muffinus": Yeah so as with anything on the World of Warcraft team, the things that we announce and say at Blizzcon may change significantly over the course of the year. I think what we're finding is that we love the ability to add more player customization options, it's super cool. We found that players have been responding very positive to it. So we'd like to continue doing although we don't have anything to announce quite yet. We would love to hear all of your ideas! Please post them on the forums, let us know what you'd like to see. -Points and looks at camera- It's High Elves
YouTube
Wowhead
WoW Battle for Azeroth Dev Interview - Islands and Wrathion
Lol they have noticed the massive amount of High ELves support on Forums such as EU,US,ASIA,RUS and MMOChampion etc xD and now he teases us xD (I'm not syaing there confirmed)
( posted in the right channel area this time lol)
meager warren
We need a character like Joker in WoW
One that is extremely hard to kill but doesn't fear death and spreads chaos for chaos' sake
rich apex
You mean someone who manipulates everyone around him for constantly changing, possibly insane, goals that make no sense?
side eyes Wrathion
meager warren
Wrathion doesn't fit that tho
meager warren
Yes it does but none of the Old Gods are insane enough imo to be like Joker.
rich apex
Aside from that one awkward dude who's been there since vanilla
(you'd think SI:7 would be all goblins and pandaren, considering)
hollow dock
LOL
rich apex
I mean I -guess- pandas don't really approve of spying
hollow dock
Shado-pan anyone?
rich apex
But you'd think there'd be a handful of pandas with questionable morals
rich apex
Black Market lady and all
Ehh
Shado-pan were pretty straight up, defending everyone and all
hollow dock
They're the black ops of the Pandaren my dude. They are willing to do some super shady stuff to protect their own.
rich apex
I meant more the slightly more dubious notions of pandas pretending to be Huojin so they could just walk into Orgrimmar, potentially bringing consequences down on the actual Huojin and other general issues of infiltrating the other side 😛
hollow dock
Mhmm. OK Ill give ya that onr
And that lookd lile the armor of the elf next to sylvanas
rich apex
It does, I guess
ruby star
Yeah it's art from the novella
ruby star
Yeah the black and white does and yeah
rich apex
I still think it's Vereesa in the other Teldrassil pic
But I'm not really looking at that new one and thinking 'oh yeah that's vereesa'
But artistic styles, so
ruby star
Yeah
ruby star
I doubt it's Veersa
rich apex
I still dunno who the Teldrassil elf could possibly be that'd be narratively relevant besides Vereesa
hollow dock
Yea. Sylvanas isnt one to rub it in someones face
rich apex
Of course, if Malfurion's also going up with Teldrassil
Are they really gonna kill two Alliance heroes at once
(they should)
hollow dock
DID YOU SEE THR PIC OF MALFURION AND SAURFANG THO
rich apex
yeeees
It's great
ANGERY Malfurion
Gonna show Saurfang what 'force of nature' really means
ruby star
Saurfang better not kill Malfuurion
rich apex
Eh, I can dig it
Bonus points of Saurfang later feels guilty because Mal was just defending his home
And that's part of why he bails
Which really is a lot better than 'saurfang doesn't like sylvie and her blight'
hollow dock
I want him to see/hear the children and innocents sylvanas kills
ruby star
Yeah could be, honestly Malfurions death would be sad
It would make me wanna fight the horde even more
rich apex
Or 'Saurfang objects to Sylvie's use of strategic sacrifice of warriors to evacuate civilians' :|a
hollow dock
I do hope Teldrassil reveals how much of a hienous monster Sylv really is.
sharp bluff
🤔
hollow dock
Enough downplaying her. Let her be the villain her character so desperately wants to be already
ruby star
I wanna kill Sylv either way, She is an evil little thing. whispers for the alliance
rich apex
Yeah, but then I have to sit through 2-3 years of Alliance purists whining about how sylvie doesn't face consequences
Because N'zoth is the finale, not her
hollow dock
Bah to your alliance horde shenanigans
rich apex
And then I have to listen to Horde purists whine about Horde going Siege 2.0, even tho N'zoth is the finale
hollow dock
SHOUTS LOUDLY FOR AZEROTH!
rich apex
mood
Magni and Khadgar will get everyone's shit together
Ion literally hinted in one of the interviews 'it's a battle FOR azeroth'
Or some Blizz dude did
Not that they've been subtle in the first place
hollow dock
It was Ion
ruby star
I hate Khadgar, I find him really annoying tbh, Jaina is much cooler
ruby star
ahahah, I didn't even realise I made an ice pun there, well there you go aha
hollow dock
I like dadghar.
hollow dock
Hes cool with it. Underatands that Horde and alliance is pointless
rich apex
Khadgar deserves a break
Let him chill with GhostMedivh in Kara
Nerd it up with some books
hollow dock
Hes to old for this. despite the fact that hes only like. 30
rich apex
And then comes back
Two capitals have been destroyed
N'zoth is bursting out of the ground
To be fair, he's supposed to be physically like 80
But then he found some magic to make him go back to 40, I guess
Of course, his arcane smooth silver fox is nothing
Compared to the glorious blessing of Light that Turaloyn received
hollow dock
Turalyons smile can male chip slylark faint.
terse patrol
@hollow dock https://i.imgur.com/7kc2Pje.jpg
restive axle
He looks so awkward :'D
hollow dock
its the only picture youve made that -isnt- creepy
hollow dock
GOD DAMN IT
mint arch
stop corrupting our silver foxes ;_;
hollow dock
The genn one is actually wholesome tho