isn't Odyn in the air plane?
#beta-ptr-spoilers
sharp bluff
heavy cairn
yea halls of valor is a separate plane
terse patrol
was hopin for maghar druids, but you dont always get what ya want
heavy cairn
same type of plane as elemental plane
sharp bluff
there is another plane we visit then
heavy cairn
given helya and loken used the same magic to trap odyn and valarjar there as whoever created elemental plane (titans, IIRC)
rain quest
But like for example draenor and outland are in different timelines and alternate universes
rain quest
Maybe their are more of them
hollow dock
There's an infinite amount of them my friend
rain quest
And their is like one timeline where another archimonde or kiljaedens still live
hollow dock
Theres even one where Thrall died as a baby
rain quest
Somehow someone knows about that and summons them
hollow dock
But heres the thing Fire
heavy cairn
draenor is an alternate timeline, we can only travel between them because of a link created by the vision of time, probably
rain quest
To azeroth
steel venture
Yeah, the Twisting Nether is connected to every timeline.
hollow dock
1 KJ and 1 Archimonde
sharp bluff
fusion, basically all the Kiljaedens and archimondes fused into one big giant super version of themselves
hollow dock
and that also means that theres no timeline in which Velen ever went with the Legion
sharp bluff
if we punch them hard enough, a bunch of little ones pop out
rain quest
Ah now i get it
steel venture
Nope, because it's basically a permanent, unchangable event that KJ and Archimonde betrayed Velen.
hollow dock
Zep please stop with the jokes.
rain quest
I forgot Kiljaeden and Archimonde didnt die in the nether
steel venture
Every timeline will include that.
hollow dock
Kj did die in the nether.
heavy cairn
yes, KJ and archimonde still exist but they simply merge when the time comes
sharp bluff
but life is no fun without a good laugh Vris
rich ocean
what are they fooling with this nonsense for? https://i.imgur.com/FvJU9sk.png
steel venture
We didn't even kill KJ back then TBH.
steel venture
Sunwell Plataeu was just us smacking him back into his hole.
sharp bluff
If they believe that they fused Vris, you aren't going to change their mind
hollow dock
I never said they'd believe it
I said it confuses things and makes things harder for no reason
rain quest
Yes and the kj in SWP is the one in ToS?
sharp bluff
it is a stupid joke, that no one would believe
steel venture
Yes.
hollow dock
So dont type it then.
steel venture
We don't even kill KJ then, we just shove him into the portal. Why do you think his "death" animation was him trying to desperately pull himself out?
sharp bluff
Vris, you really are nofun, but I think you know that already
rich ocean
btw did yall notice "random large battleground" looks like AV is going to get its own que, maybe with isle of conquest and hell could add tol barad and wintergrasp in there!
hollow dock
It's both
steel venture
You must be new here.
hollow dock
and off topic if we ever mention Vore
steel venture
NO VORE.
sharp bluff
it is the no joke channel actually apparently, but vore is ok
meager warren
it's funny that you're asking zep to stop joking when you do it all the time, Vris
hollow dock
I dont joke about the lore when someones asking for clarifications
Time and place for everything
steel venture
Well, yeah.
rich ocean
old god projections!
steel venture
The Old Gods don't really die.
hollow dock
but why is Ilgynoth there?
steel venture
How do you kill something outside of the cycle without destroying it?
heavy cairn
old god projections? cool!!!
rich ocean
most liekly a research facility that some keepers upkept
hollow dock
Maybe Ilgynoth is an Ancient One
steel venture
(EX: Why Y'shaarj is the only "dead" old god, is because he was ripped out at the cost of damaging the well.)
rich ocean
and they got data on illgynoth
steel venture
I can see them using Ilgynoth for placeholder in N'zoth related whispers.
He mentioned N'zoth directly in his fight.
hollow dock
Ilgy is fairly recent though.
steel venture
"N'zoth ... I return ... to Nyalotha."
terse patrol
I mean, I still think Y'shaarj is still alive in some form. I think he's the one "watching from the outside.' AKA, likely on one of Azeroth's moons. But that's 100% speculation, so it could very well be wrong.
hollow dock
Like if a titan facility can enter the dream for data, why wouldn't they try and cleanse the Nightmare
rich ocean
still a titan keeper could be working in there vris
meager warren
what's the difference between ancient ones and old gods?
rich ocean
we do know questing of some still operational around there
old gods were crashed into the planet
hollow dock
Ancient Ones are like sort of off-spring of the Old Gods
rich ocean
meteroites of flesh from the sky
heavy cairn
what's the "watching from the outside" thing from?
rich ocean
ancient ones are their offspring
meager warren
so wouldn't they be "Young Ones" then? ๐ค
hollow dock
Theyre not entirely their offspring
terse patrol
Could be Elune's a powerful titan keeper who's in charge of running Y'shaarj's moon prison, lol
hollow dock
Its weird
and OSX
The puzzle box of Yogg-saron references Y'shaarj in this way
"Have you had the dream again? The black goat with seven eyes watches from Outside"
gusty scaffold
You guys got me facinated. Been staring at the chat for 10 mins
meager warren
good
hollow dock
It's widely accepted that that last bit is him 'watching' from Pandaria the rest of the world. Which was 'outside' of everyones view.
meager warren
"if you're agitated and confused, my work here is done"
uncut vault
I mean the black goat could be Shul-Nagruth thatโs been datamined
heavy cairn
given yshaarj also mentions a lamb in the dark forest, which is in the shadowlands as the uuna thing reveals
hollow dock
Outside and Dark Forest are two different references
heavy cairn
yes but they are both connected via lamb & goat
hollow dock
as other times in the puzzle box they specify the Dark Forest.
rich ocean
omfg all these peopel complaining azerite talents are all passives.
heavy cairn
wait, yshaarj only had 7 eyes? I thought it was heads
hollow dock
'eyes' is an allegory for heads here.
As you can see on each of the sha, his seven heads, there is an 'Eye' on them
heavy cairn
I see now
terse patrol
Y'shaarj has three eyes on each side of his head.
And one big eye.
His other heads might be eyeless.
Wouldnt be surprising
meager warren
how many sides on his head does he have? two?
hollow dock
It also lines up with Y'shaarj's reference in our Lovecraftian mythology. Shub-niggurath, The Black Goat with a thousand young.
terse patrol
The Sha could be his "young."
hollow dock
Each of his heads left a breath. Those breaths were the Sha.
hollow dock
yea. Because multiplication.
Biomass, in this case of the sha; Magical Mass, continues to spread and divide.
terse patrol
Shul-nagruth might be a servant of one of the old gods.
hollow dock
Shul-nagruth 100% sounds like another Ancient one
terse patrol
ye
heavy cairn
meager warren
xd
terse patrol
wouldnt surprise me if he was a Shadowlands version of Il'gynoth.
heavy cairn
actual effect: throw the potion, causing an explosion
I'm going to guess the rift of aln is a rift to the shadowlands, it would explain why so much dark energy comes from there, yes?
terse patrol
Could be.
heavy cairn
ilgynoth and them would just be beings that passed through the rift, assuming dead or imprisoned old gods mainly operate in shadowlands
terse patrol
I think it's a scar left by the fifth world tree, but who knows
terse patrol
there's numerous references to the Shadowlands all throughout the Alpha, and in Legion too. <_>
hollow dock
the rift of aln was created by Malfurion to contain the corruption of the emerald nightmare
terse patrol
Denying that it's going to play a big role at this point is silly.
hollow dock
its not a portal that naturally occurred. It was made specifically to hold the nightmare.
distant folio
mal did not create the rift of aln, you misunderstood or misread, he just sealed around it to contain it
hollow dock
I never said it wouldn't play a role in some way, I just am stating that the Old Gods operate here. In our waking world.
terse patrol
uhm
heavy cairn
"The Rift of Aln is a vast, deep fissure in a small corner located deep within the Emerald Dream, from which it is thought by the druids that the Dream itself originated. The druids also believe that it bleeds into the Twisting Nether and the Great Dark Beyond."
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Rift_of_Aln
it cites Stormrage
terse patrol
The druids don't even know of its origins.
heavy cairn
exactly. ^
meager warren
why is the image so small?
terse patrol
The curious thing about Malfurion is, when he finds the Nightmare oriignating from the Rift, he decided not to try to cleanse it.
meager warren
it's a big mount. it deserves a big showcase
distant folio
he sealed it
hollow dock
The nightmare didn't originate from it. I was wrong in that he didn't create it
terse patrol
Yes, but he decided not to do anything more.
hollow dock
He tried to cleanse through the rift but it was taking to long and the cataclysm was happening
terse patrol
We all know seals mean jack shit.
distant folio
because he couldnt, it was during the cataclysm. he sealed it and went to save the world.
hollow dock
so he and Tyrande agreed 'Seal it. We'll deal with it later'
terse patrol
i get the feeling, he won't get that chance
distant folio
also the rift of aln is the source of the nightmare, or at least the starting point/where it originates from
terse patrol
I get the feeling he's gunna die at Teldrassil lol
terse patrol
We haven't seen him at all in the Alpha thus far
heavy cairn
the druids' belief that it was the source of the dream and/or connects to twising nether/dark beyond might have some merit, the titans had to have created it somehow. why not pour the magic they need through an entry point? and if they used the same entry point for creating the shadowlands...
terse patrol
then again
sharp bluff
We can hope he does Honk, we can hope he does
terse patrol
we havent seen Tyrande im p sure
hollow dock
`Gazing into it, Malfurion Stormrage saw it as a bottomless chasm which radiated with primeval energies that even he dared not investigate. Indeed, the very rift itself seemed half-dreamed, for it had a surreal quality to its expanse and to the archdruid now and then seemed to ripple as if ready to fade or change.
Curiously, only then did Malfurion truly sense that the ancient evil, though it fought to keep its grip there, did so from somewhere deep in the depths of Azeroth's own seas.[2]
Malfurion and Tyrande Whisperwind cleansed the Emerald Dream everywhere, except in the rift where the Nightmare stubbornly held firm. There was no point to keep pushing, as the people of Azeroth still needed the couple's help. Thus, Malfurion sealed off the vicinity around the rift, he and Tyrande silently agreeing that the day had been saved, and this was another war that would have to wait for a better time. Xavius's spirit was also sealed inside the Rift of Aln.[3] `
There isn't anything stating that the Rift is where the Nightmare started
since the Rift has always existed within the Dream
before Fandral went and gave the dream to the Old Gods that is
distant folio
wrong, it's called the heart of the Nightmare in the Legion raid
hollow dock
Yes because at Legion it spreads from the rift
since the rift is the only place they never cleanesed
but it is stated nowhere that it spread from there
heavy cairn
why did nzoth specifically choose the rift, though?
steel venture
No more ass in the air.
distant folio
wrong again
hollow dock
IN fact, it's specifically stated that the old gods got in through the failed World tree in Northrend
distant folio
Malfurion himself says "Xavius waits ahead in the Rift of Aln, the true heart of the Nightmare."
hollow dock
And again, that is what it has become. But the nightmare did not originate from there before cataclysm. When fandral let the old gods in and thus created the nightmare in the first place
heavy cairn
it's the true heart of the nightmare because it was where the NEW assault of the nightmare began
it was the only place he didn't cleanse. but it's not the original start
uncut vault
tfw no more head down ass up bear tanking
distant folio
the nightmare did not originate from there before cataclysm.
source?
distant folio
I know they got access to the Dream through Vordrassil, thats irrelevant to the discussion
hollow dock
`Vordrassil, the "Broken Crown"[2], originally called Andrassil, the "Crown of the Snow"[2], was a failed attempt at a World Tree, located in the Grizzly Hills of southern Northrend. It was grown from a branch from Nordrassil taken by Fandral Staghelm, in order to stop the spread of saronite in Northrend. Destroyed by the ancient druids, it is now the site of the furbolg city of Grizzlemaw.[3] The Old God Yogg-Saron sleeps beneath its roots, and appears to have been responsible for the corruption of the furbolg.[4] Yogg-Saron's corruption of Vordrassil was the motivation for its destruction, and it allowed the Old Gods access into the Emerald Dream, from which they created the Emerald Nightmare.[5]
Within the Emerald Dream, Andrassil stands tall even as the Emerald Nightmare corrupts the rest of the area.[6] `
Yogg-Saron's corruption of Vordrassil was the motivation for its destruction, and it allowed the Old Gods access into the Emerald Dream, from which they created the Emerald Nightmare.[5]
distant folio
Im asking fora source for the Rift of Aln not being the source/starting point of the nightmare
hollow dock
Vordrassil is the source point of the Nightmare. It is where they created it
distant folio
No, it is where they got access to the Dream
hollow dock
Are you not reading?
Yogg-Saron's corruption of Vordrassil was the motivation for its destruction, and it allowed the Old Gods access into the Emerald Dream, from which they created the Emerald Nightmare.[5]
From which they created the Emerald Nightmare
distant folio
It was a door. They entered the door (Vordrassil) to the Dream and created the Nightmare there [in the Rift of Aln.]
heavy cairn
vordrassil is starting point. rift may have a significant reason for being the new "home base" after malfurion cleanses most of it, but it is not the original starting point
hollow dock
His corruption of Vordrassil gave them entrance into the Emerald Dream
Vordrassil is the door
they created the Emerald Nightmare
hollow dock
at the door. from which they entered.
terse patrol
Dark Iron tabard icon
distant folio
It says they entered the Dream through Vordrassil and then created the Nightmare inside the Dream.
meager warren
^
distant folio
your interpretation/idea =/= what is stated
hollow dock
Vordrassil being the origin point of it
distant folio
No
meager warren
no
hollow dock
so you're telling me that a bunch of beings that leave behind corruption in their path went into the rift from Vordrassil.
distant folio
I can enter your living room and drop a deuce near the window. Doesnt mean I pooped at the door.
hollow dock
and then pushed the nightmare out from there.
distant folio
I pooped near the window.
meager warren
no, it doesn't mean you shit in the living room. get the analogy right
hollow dock
As I'm understanding it, the old gods spread corruption passively. Them existing does that.
distant folio
Similarly, they accessed the Dream through Vordrassil and then created the Nightmare, the Rift of Aln being its heart. Theres absolutely nothing about Vordrassil being the origin of the Nightmare and the Rift being a secondary thing or whatever your saying.
heavy cairn
I don't think the nightmare inherently needed to have a heart until malfurion cleansed most of it. once that happened, they chose a location that they could defend and laid in wait for the next opportunity.
there's no indication that it started in rift the first time
distant folio
Thats cool but thats your headcanon. The Rift of Aln was called the heart of the Nightmare, you want to assume it recently became its heart thats cool but that's not whats stated.
heavy cairn
it's called the heart of the nightmare in the new spread of the nightmare
but it was not in the old spread
distant folio
Whatever you want to think =/= what is stated
winged heron
๐ฟ ๐ฟ
uncut vault
yall I get fighting over lore is fun, Ive done it too
but pick a day that isnt a new build
distant folio
Rift of Aln = heart of the Nightmare <- this is officially stated. You can headcanon it's only been the case for 4 years but that's you, nothing backed up with lore at all.
terse patrol
I hope they do an updated version of the Mage hunter darkhounds. @hollow dock
the ones with the magical runes
hollow dock
I want them to update all the dark hounds if theyre pushing this
heavy cairn
rift of aln wasn't mentioned until malfurion was cleansing the nightmare.
and it certainly wasn't called the heart until events leading up to legion
hollow dock
Including the scourge born ones
meager warren
bornones?
distant folio
Yeah and the void lords weren't mentioned until 2 years ago, must mean they were newly created in-lore and weren't present before
meager warren
who?
uncut vault
princess of the zandalari
heavy cairn
think of how the scourge worked. they first got small towns, then big town stratholme, then capital city lordaeron. this does not mean lordaeron was the starting point, despite it being a strategically important location like the rift clearly is.
meager warren
never heard of her
distant folio
That is not even remotely comparable lol
heavy cairn
yes, it is.
distant folio
No, its not.
hollow dock
The nightmare is a disease right?
You consider ground 0 where the first person was infected. Not where the epidemic started.
distant folio
We have indication that the Scourge didn't start in Lordaeron City. There is no indication, no statement, that the Nightmare didnt come from the Rift of Aln.
We just know the Rift of Aln = heart of the Nightamre
hollow dock
The rift existed before the Nightmare
heavy cairn
scourge corrupts everything they go by, the same way nightmare did. both had to be introduced in an area that they had access to (idk the exact things with the undead plague of lordaeron, but nightmare started at vordrassil)
winged heron
Is this important
meager warren
no'
hollow dock
to us yes
uncut vault
"Im not saying the Zandalari need to "rule the world", but come oooon, you know you'd be better off if we did!"
"everywhere I go, people chant "yaaaaas queeeen". A troll could get used to dis."
meager warren
this happens every day
distant folio
OSX i have been reading this chat for days and everytime you try to make a comparison its absolutely ridiculous or non-applicable to the situation ๐ฆ
steel venture
omg port i need to hear her voice
heavy cairn
nice, except you using absolutes like that based off of a few days of observation (probably like 3 conversations) is showing signs of a huge logical fallacy
distant folio
Perhaps at other times you make good comparison, but what I just saw here reinforces my idea
heavy cairn
this comparison is valid, based on actual events, rather than implied lore that no one else agreed on (in the case of nightborne & sethrak)
scourge spread like a disease throughout kingdom of lordaeron, so did nightmare throughout the dream. both had ultimate strategic locations, capital city and rift of aln
distant folio
it is not in any way valid. We know for a fact that the Scourge didn't start in Lordaeron City. This is fact. The Rift however was called the Heart of the Nightmare and that is all, you cant claim the Nightmare originated from somewhere else because there is no statement or evidence about it.
"It started somewhere else because the Scourge started somewhere else" is straight up dumb
heavy cairn
except there is.```
Yogg-Saron's corruption of Vordrassil was the motivation for its destruction, and it allowed the Old Gods access into the Emerald Dream, from which they created the Emerald Nightmare.[5]
Within the Emerald Dream, Andrassil stands tall even as the Emerald Nightmare corrupts the rest of the area.[6]```
distant folio
Which does not back up your claims
heavy cairn
it does, nightmare is a disease that started spreading from vordrassil.
distant folio
It does not say it started spreading from Vordrassil, it says it started from within the Emerald Dream, which could mean anywhere ๐
heavy cairn
what, so you think the old gods sent physical servants through a TREE?
meager warren
it says it started from the emerald dream
meager warren
^
distant folio
That's all I'm saying, don't put words in my mouth
heavy cairn
they took vordrassil, that's how they could get in, so what do you say they do next?
distant folio
I open the door to your house and go light your bed on fire. Did the fire start on your bed or on the door ?
heavy cairn
just curious, because you seem to think they would just start somewhere else despite eventually going back and "corrupt[ing] the rest of the area" of Vordrassil
meager warren
^
distant folio
I entered the door. Did me entering through the door set it on fire ? No. The fire started on your bed.
meager warren
they started the corruption from the emerald dream
meager warren
what question?
heavy cairn
how did the old gods start the corruption in the rift?
meager warren
your question is so ambiguous as to be non-existent
distant folio
You're also forgetting a very important thing that Old Gods don't actually need physical contact to corrupt stuff, right? Like how they corrupt mortals and stuff?
Vordrassil = open door. Boom, somewhere in the Dream gets corrupted into the Nightmare.
& it spreads.
heavy cairn
and how would they choose the rift despite supposedly not having access in the past?
it's not as if they instantly have a map like us players
distant folio
what
meager warren
@jade basalt help
heavy cairn
how could they choose the exact location of the rift, if they had just gained access to a place they've never been before?
meager warren
what are you asking?
distant folio
... you realize that the Dream did not actually come from the Rift of Aln, right? That was just in-universe speculation from a few druids, Chronicle clearly states it was fabricated by Freya either from scratch or from the dreams of the world-soul.
heavy cairn
I don't see how that's relevant
the rift is just an arbitrary location in this context
here's a valid comparison: you go to a town you've never been to without a map, and without looking at signs you go to a specific business. rather than asking people where the business is.
meager warren
and your question posed above is relevant how?
distant folio
Yes. So your question is irrelevant. Since it's an arbitrary location, your question makes no sense. You're asking why the Old Gods picked an arbitrary location.
"Because."
heavy cairn
yes, why would they pick the arbitrary location for it to be the HEART of the nightmare without exploring the area at all?
meager warren
maybe because, the rift is potentially infinite and thereby potentially holds infinite power which the nightmare could soak up instead of letting other people get at it?
heavy cairn
in that case it wouldn't be arbitrary
meager warren
exactly
heavy cairn
they would need to know the location without ever having been there before.
meager warren
fix your question
heavy cairn
sure, since you seem to partially understand the reason the rift of aln became the heart of the nightmare (regardless of whether it started there or spread there, which we disagree on)
how is it that the old gods could place the nightmare at a location they had never done anything at before without analyzing the terrain in any way?
distant folio
are you even serious
meager warren
Plot induced stupiditiy?
fallen needle
The Rift is the counterpart to Lake Elune'ara! Don't forget that!
meager warren
ask bliz these questions, not us
uncut vault
distant folio
get access to the Dream
explore the Dream
oh, a nice place to create the Nightmare
thats all there is to it
heavy cairn
explore the dream, how? who is there doing stuff?
....
people they have corrupted
who lives in the dream? dream creatures
meager warren
old god's agents. like xavius and others like him
heavy cairn
what is a corrupted dream creature? nightmare creature
uncut vault
stop going in circles about irrelevant discussions
and stop talking about dream crap
heavy cairn
for them to have "explored" the area, they would have needed to corrupt an agent in there
distant folio
.. you do know you can explore stuff without actually being there with your two legs? like how illidan scryed the nether while technically remaining on Outland? or malfurion scanning Eastern Kingdoms while remaining on Kalimdor? How is it weird that Old Gods could do that?
How can old gods whisper to me when their mouth is five billion miles away?
How can they see me when they're beneath the ground?
How can they corrupt me from afar?
are you serious?
heavy cairn
they can scry, but they've only done so when they have some sort of influence in the area
or, through creatures who have been touched by their influence in the past
distant folio
No. Wrong on so many levels. They whispered to Cho'gall as soon as he crossed the Dark Portal for example. ๐
They got access to the Dream, scryed the Dream, and decided "oh thats a nice place for the Nightmare", that's all there is to this debate.
Old Gods can do stuff from afar, what a surprise.
heavy cairn
and who says cho'gall did not meet the influence of the void before entering azeroth?
meager warren
who cares?
distant folio
He did. But that's irreleant to Old Gods.
heavy cairn
I care, because you act as if corruption teleports rather than spreads. the quests in grizzly hills show the tree was corrupted because of the corruption going through its roots.
distant folio
Old Gods can do stuff from afar. Deal with it. It's not a particularly complicated or controversial concept. They can whisper to people from afar, they can corrupt people from afar.
So them corrupting the Dream from afar is not weird.
heavy cairn
you know how roots work? they suck stuff up from the ground, and it spreads through the tree eventually.
since vordrassil is apparently connected to its dream counterpart, that's how that happened
then it spread from there
of course once something was corrupted, the old gods could do stuff from there.
headcanon, sure, but it's logical knowing how corruption works in the warcraft universe. it spreads
distant folio
You're mixing every freaking thing up. Yes Vordrassil did touch Yogg. Nobody said the opposite.
terse patrol
@hollow dock btw, the new Warcraft Traveler confirmed a thing.
hollow dock
Oh did it?
terse patrol
New Forsaken lack free will.
hollow dock
OH HEY WADDA KNOW
hollow dock
Why bother giving them free will indeed
terse patrol
Sylvanas only lets those Forsaken who have served her dutifully to leave the Forsaken amicably.
so ye
Sylvanas is a dick.
Take that Sylvanas fan boys.
meager warren
i think people only like her because she's sexy apparently
terse patrol
another interesting thing
hollow dock
Corspes are sexy.
terse patrol
Dryads are born from enchanted acorns, and druids basically teach them about the world by whispering to them, until finally they water them, in which they grow to maturity in seconds. They then imprint on the druid, and the druid must teach them druidism.
Also, all loa fear the children of Cenarius (dryads).
They'll straight up retreat upon encountering one.
hollow dock
I mean. Dryads are the quintessential 'Anti-magic' people
terse patrol
A newborn (technically full grown, but she lacked any magical knowledge) dryad was able to make Shadra flee just by yelling at her.
tropic trail
I like turtles.
tulip sun
I do not like s ylvanas because her looks....really? Anyone who does is just....i don't even know.
tropic trail
I like sylvanas cause of her looks
hollow dock
I like sylvanas because she's a very good villan.
terse patrol
I like Warcraft Traveler, it's basically the Warcraft fluff book.
distant folio
are you reading that Official Forums thread? because the information it presents is wrong. Shadra didnt actually flee and was not afraid of her.
terse patrol
Explains stuff that hasn't been explained before.
I mean, we saw female ogres for the first time in the Traveler books.
distant folio
@terse patrol
tulip sun
There is the larger pic
I love it...
Maybe one of my favorite vicious war mounts, lol
DID one is neat too, but eh, not as cool
terse patrol
"Taryndrella stopped Shadra from going after her other companions. Shadra backed away and nodded her head out of respect--or perhaps out of fear."
ok, so it's up in the air
Either way, they don't quarrel.
meager warren
I hate Sylvanas because not only is she a piece of shit but basically, she's a flat villain. What is her motivation? Why does she want to kill everything? It's certainly not to make the forsaken better because by killing everything, there could be no new forsaken. And she doesn't do shit for the Horde either. Maybe her goals and the Horde's goals intersect for now but at some point, that'll likely no longer be true if she continues to be incompetent
terse patrol
tbh
I think I have an idea why.
I think, via the Val'kyr, Bolvar (the new Lich King), is using her to amass a new army for him.
While he grows in strength, without the Alliance or Horde's knowledge.
And when the right moment comes:
The new Forsaken turn on her.
sudden oak
since when sylvanas wants to kill everything?
terse patrol
I don't think she KNOWS she's helping the Lich King.
heavy cairn
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/295476675351805953/430909624753979403/unknown.png
something strange going on at the vol'dun seal
sudden oak
is that the seal in the tomb of the old god general?
heavy cairn
dunno what old god general you are talking about
it's 1 out of the 3 seals for uldir, titan complex containing the old god G'huun
at least, the structure looks identical to the other two seal structures, except deteriorating more
heavy cairn
ah, Mythrax
not sure
I dunno, I just got here, noticed that weird thing floating in front of the door
the other two seals do not have anything blocking entrance other than 1 of them having hostiles
sudden oak
it could easily be that since the sethrak want to ress him
heavy cairn
the nazmir seal and vol'dun seal are both out of commission, yes
sudden oak
and btw where can I see about that of new forsaken having no free will?
heavy cairn
I think it's some ebook, don't quote me on that tho
heavy cairn
dang I had to do two quests by the vol'dun seal then we go away...
cmon, I was hoping I'd get to figure out what was going on there
sudden oak
as far as I know Sylvanas doesnt want to kill everything on azeroth and the other races of the horde and the forsaken have helped eachother
heavy cairn
she only wants to kill anyone who gets in her way
that's a pretty dangerous way of thinking, just a little nudge by old god whispering and...
sudden oak
I mean she is not that crazy to kill anyone no matter who they are for the slightest thing
also arent undead immune to old god influence?
or those are just the ones controlled by LK
sudden oak
also I really want to see about that stuff from traveler about new forsaken having no free will
misty blaze
why does everyone hate sylvanas so much and want her dead she's the only sexy lore woman left on horde side
meager warren
maybe because "everyone" doesn't actually care about looks when judging someone?
hollow dock
probably because people dont care about the fact that she has tits
meager warren
^
sudden oak
hey I like Sylvanas and I dont give a fuck about the fact that she has boobs
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
tropic trail
I like her face.
Also the only sexy woman who is tbh strong and never looks weak asFucc
meager warren
she is weak though.
weak in the head
sudden oak
they could make her a guy and I would like the character either way
and how is she in weak in the head btw?
meager warren
- flat villain
- wants to kill people just cause they happened to get in her way
- doesn't hesitate to try and control the valkyr against their will even though they were already allies
- Encourages Horde players to keep killing Alliance players or NPCs at Warden towers
- Remember that time she signalled the retreat without alerting the Alliance?
- Doesn't allow the Forsaken much free will if any
uncut vault
Sylv isnt the best person but those are
terse patrol
- genocide
uncut vault
really ridiculous reasons
meager warren
ok maybe she's not weak but she's an asshole
terse patrol
Inferos rabidly defends Sylvanas anyways
sudden oak
normally if people gets in your way that means they are the enemy
sudden oak
as far as I remember greymane encourages as much as Sylvanas to kill alliance players and npcs at warden towers
meager warren
or, it could be, maybe you're wrong and that's why they're getting in your way?
did i ever say i liked Greymane?
sharp bluff
signaled retreat without notifying alliance? wow ok, that isn't how retreats work
you drop everything and exit stage left
sudden oak
^
meager warren
The Alliance didn't see it that way, Zep
terse patrol
or you have one of your troops shout at the Alliance from their position
meager warren
no they didn't
sudden oak
yeah because they are not busy enough helping the wounded or fleeing from demons
tulip sun
Not to change topics
sharp bluff
that is why they knew the horde was leaving, they heard the horn
tulip sun
-but cannot get over how awesome these DID and Mag'har Vicious War Mounts are-
meager warren
if they knew, they would have fled too probably but, oh that's right, they didn't
not until it was too late
sharp bluff
edgy your as tough to talk to as Vris
meager warren
Vris and i are pretty similar tbh
hollow dock
the alliance knew the horn was retreat
but
they didn't know the why
Varian saw, we dont know if anyone else had
sudden oak
also they had to wait for the airship to escape
terse patrol
i mean, either way'
meager warren
if Varian and Vol'jin had survived, BfA probably wouldn't be happening
terse patrol
The faction conflict in legion doesn't really kick off majorly until Stormheim, when Genn moved in to prevent Sylvanas from going full Lich Queen mode.
hollow dock
had one or the other survived
meager warren
fortunately, Saurfang's still around
hollow dock
this wouldnt be happening
terse patrol
"reeee alliance started it"
meager warren
agreed
hollow dock
Alliance did start it. Rogers even admits to firing the first shot.
tulip sun
Let's remember Greymane was not there because of what Sylvanas was doinh
terse patrol
uh
tulip sun
^^^
sudden oak
^
terse patrol
points at the plans from Aszuna
meager warren
plans from Azsuna?
hollow dock
Wouldn't make sense if you do Stormheim first
terse patrol
Yall forget Aszuna comes first canonically.
hollow dock
and where do you have the info that Aszuna is first?
terse patrol
The level scaling feature was implemented after the plots for the zones were completed.
meager warren
I think it's spelled aZSuna, people
terse patrol
The Legion panel at PAX.
The original zone order was stated to be Azsuna, Val'Sharah, Highmoutain, and lastly Stormheim.
Highmountain*
Greymane's worgen uncover Sylvanas' plans for Stormheim. It's partially washed out, but it's still clear what she intends.
Her need for Val'kyr isn't a mystery to the Alliance.
hollow dock
How odd that Rogers nor Genn would mention it ๐ค ๐ค ๐ค
hollow dock
Clearly its not held if there's no mention of it.
hollow dock
Originally they intended Azsuna to be first
but since they didn't go through with it, any zone can be the 'first'
terse patrol
Genn, while he was out for revenge, acted in Stormheim specifically to prevent Sylvanas from getting what she wanted.
hollow dock
As such Stormhiem doesn't hold any reference to plans found in Azsuna
dense plover
Genn also acted on his own vengeance
It was 50/50
He definitely didnโt need to directly assault the forsaken there
hollow dock
As did Rogers.
dense plover
And it was a poor military decision made out of spite for sylvanas
hollow dock
that costed one of the best ships the alliance navy had
dense plover
^
meager warren
who's rogers btw
terse patrol
Sky Admiral Rogers.
terse patrol
She's more kill happy than Genn.
She grew up in Southshore.
Her family was killed when the Forsaken used it for target practice.
She hates the Forsaken/Horde big time.
To note:
She and her ship were sent to Stormheim under Anduinโs orders to get the Aegis of Aggramar. Unofficially, Anduin sent her there to investigate reports of suspicious Forsaken activity, and to track Sylvanasโ ship. Genn ordered the attack.
tulip sun
They didn't know what they were doin
We already know that anduin said check out, not fire
tropic trail
depending on your zone order, the alliance knew nothing of the events in stormheim beforehand.
not events
the forsakens intent in stormheim
dense plover
But the zone story was built around the original order, which is what is considered canon
Alliance knew about the hordes voyage into stormheim
And the horde knew the alliance knew
Which is why the horde had lesser losses
Combined with greymane being a reven#ge seeking idiot
He shouldnโt have rushed in with his one ship against an entire fleet
dense plover
Itโs refreshingly different
uncut vault
Im happy theyre not restricted to the two blade model
dense plover
Oh you mean since you can mix and match now?
tropic trail
I think that glaive looks kinda goofy, I need to see it actually held before I can say for sure tho
๐ณ ๐บ ๐น
Look so good
So..does this mean say...a monk could use glaives? or even rogues?
or are they sticking to Dh's only.
rich apex
Probably sticking to DHs
Tho it would be nice if not, to justify them making more glaive models
meager warren
well, they need to make more anyway.
there aren't very many as it is
tropic trail
Yeah cause, tbh.
Fist weapons aren't my cup of tea.
Not a huge fan of them on monks either.
So was really hoping to see that possibly as like another way for fist weapons give the fist of deity is kinda more glaivy then anything.
hollow dock
Monks arent restricted to fisting things
hollow dock
Jaina:
After all these years, you're STILL trying to get under my skin? Some things never change...
Of course I got my sheep staff. Who do you think coined the term "Woolomancer"?
Funny... I never even realized I had lost my Kul Tiran accent.
So you think you know what it's like to date a bad boy? Girlfriend... you have no idea...
I love all these lines
All these poke lines are ๐
OH. Turns out another deathknight wants our shiny mount. That's why we go to the reds to help them.
steel venture
well, that kind of makes sense
we weren't setting a good example as deathlord by going and tormenting the red dragonflight
sudden oak
I think he wants to ress another dragon for himself
steel venture
so of course some other asshole is gonna wanna copyi t
tulip sun
O.o
hollow dock
Read the new post on Wowhead Kham
tulip sun
I did
hollow dock
well that's what we're talkin about
tulip sun
I am like...pretty sure the maghar and DID are coming before bfa...
strange falcon
guys can i just say the new SNOWwalkers are kinda creeping me out? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/369452979071483908/431072845624508418/Cattura.PNG
tulip sun
Wtf??
strange falcon
idk man
i'm as confused as you are
yesterday they were their nice purple,now they are snowy
hollow dock
what's so wrong with it?
strange falcon
it's not purple!
hollow dock
that looks like they just turned the glow a little to high. The bottom half is still purple
tulip sun
It looks like you cropped it out of the screenshot, lol
strange falcon
i got the entire model what are you saying
hollow dock
Still not seeing what's so wrong with it. Not the first walker we see that's not purple. :v
strange falcon
but he used to be purple just yesterday D:
ruby star
@tulip sun Would be cool if DID and Mag'har came out in the prepatch
hollow dock
the reason for my confusion is that it sounds a bit more than simply disliking it.
zinc sandal
Itโs probably not staying that way, so worry not
hollow dock
Vol'dun looks amazing
strange falcon
tulip torrent
i got the feeling that i am in tanaris :/
with all of those sands
i am happy that they opened the zone
we are one step closer to beta
hollow dock
I mean. It's a desert.
strange falcon
@tulip torrent imo it's the best desert zone in the game,it's not a plain white plains-type area with absolutely no elevation like tanaris,or white plains with cool structures and oasis's like uldum
it actually got some style of its own
meager warren
Are we gonna see more sand trolls in Vol'dun?
hollow dock
http://www.wow-petopia.com/look.php?id=zandalariraptor_white Ima go and invade Zandalar specifically for this raptor
dense plover
well Vris
if you want a few of the achievements, it requires playing through both storylines
so you might need a hordie
hollow dock
What about achievements?
strange falcon
vris,how can you compare any of the sights in kultiras to these two beauties here https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/369680560614014977/430851922447171594/WoWScrnShot_040418_000819.jpg https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/367759361453588480/431129630225989662/WoWScrnShot_040418_183336.jpg
hollow dock
Why ask me that? O.o
strange falcon
idk,you seem all alliance biased,so i figured you saw most of the stuff there through streams or stuff
hollow dock
Yes I keep up with the alpha through Wowhead and any screenshots. Don't watch streams for WoW.
but why ask me how I compare the two? Each zone is special in its own way and has its own themes and beauties to it and its own drawbacks beacuse of it
dense plover
there is the war campaign achievement
it requires playing through the campaign on both factions
also the story achievements
hollow dock
Alright. What about them? O.o
dense plover
and in all liklihood, those two sets of achievements will be required for flight
so you will need a horde character
you said you will invade zandalar
you wont have to
hollow dock
that'd be very much a kick in the balls to have an account wide acheive locked behind a faction wall.
Yes as a joke for a raptor tame
dense plover
i imagine they will make the war campaign and story achievements required
or they will have two flight achievements
one for each faction
and then some of the stuff will be accountwide so you only have to do it once
hollow dock
Why not just, Idk, have it be like the other achievements and have us mingle with the neutrals?
to me it makes no sense to force alliance players to play horde for flying and vice versa
terse patrol
I have a Alliance bias atm, because the Horde just isnโt relatable anymore.
Canโt empathize with them.
The lack of honor and morals in the Horde atm sucks.
hollow dock
IMO they've lacked those morals and honor since Cataclysm
wide lance
As a fan of both stories, I love the idea of gettig both sides, but I sort of focus on the story, not end game.
hollow dock
That's fine and all, but flying is not end game.
that's a feature that has always been attainable by just playing your main
wide lance
but hasn't it been sort of "end game" by finishing most of the faction reqs for every expansion?
I'm not saying it's a great idea to gate it behind 2 factions, not everyone can afford to play both, but it intrigues me
hollow dock
not really. At least, not as blizz has treated it.
'End game' is always the high end stuff. Starting at raiding and arena.
meager warren
It was locked behind story walls in WoD and Legion.
For every expac before, i would assume you could buy flying with gold
hollow dock
But you didnt have to roll horde to get it Arson
Or alliance
It wasnt faction locked.
meager warren
did i say that? no
hollow dock
that's what the conversation was about. Sorry for thinking you wanted to contribute in some way
dense plover
It would definitely make sense for zandalari flight to be locked behind doing zandalar quests and vice versa for kul tiras
hollow dock
Except for the whole forcing people to play the other side for a feature.
dense plover
It doesnโt seem unreasonable considering they give you a 110 boost
And allied race unlocks exist for both sides
finite wagon
you unlock the other continent once you reach max level dont you? so it could be continent locked, but not faction locked
dense plover
^
This is essentially what Iโm saying
Another 2 part pathfinder part 1 is either horde or alliance, part two is neutral
Part one is story quests, war campaign and some other stuff, maybe islands and warfrontd related
Second part is patch content stuff
hollow dock
That is not at all faction locked peach.
meager warren
hopefully it's not as bad as WoD's pathfinder quests
hollow dock
Does this mean that memes exist in Warcraft?
rich ocean
jaina ^^^
but yes i guess it does cris
also
muradin
alos bwsombi is meme king https://i.imgur.com/Eb9Ak1K.png
sharp bluff
In WoD the factions you had to get in the jungle were different, but that was about it
yep class insults lol
which means he laughs at Death Knights lol
rich ocean
https://i.imgur.com/hRSrH4u.png wtf is this about?
sharp bluff
class based mission
uncut vault
Talanji has a yass queen line too
sharp bluff
we (Deathlord) have to prevent someone else (a npc Deathknight) from raising a dragon mount from the red dragonflight
uncut vault
It's absolutely canon
terse patrol
moira to use magic to become a full dark iron dwarf when
hollow dock
But we can't have that
sharp bluff
sounds like they are trying to kill a red dragon and raise it fresh based on the "You win... Dragon..." line
meager warren
"I survived the Lich King only to be taken out by the likes of you... Ugh...."
And I killed the Lich King. Doofus
sharp bluff
By the sound of the lines it looks like they plan it to be a 'choice' quest, though they make it only go one way, since they like the reds
lusty latch
I can see it working well for Druids and Warlocks
sharp bluff
except those that use an eyepatch over their left eye
hollow dock
OMG THAT'S GOING TO BE HILARIOUS
lusty latch
Now that would be a true pirate
hollow dock
the true blind hunter
rich apex
Niiiice
terse patrol
thicc
meager warren
they need to fix the current eyepatches are introduce new ones that actually cover the eye. The ones already in the game aren't too appealing
at least, the one that i know of
rich apex
Alas, eye patches are stuck in low rez hell with the rest of the older gear models
tulip sun
So uh
My entire town lost power earlier o.O
Hmmm
Those faces are neat
I wish they'd make the blind and scar like a separate option though
lusty latch
Pretty sure we're getting new eyepatches. Hopefuly as a item like the highmountain back totems
rich apex
I can dream they'll add scar options to base races
lusty latch
so you can have the hat and the patch
terse patrol
Was kinda hoping for some black faces/hair. Maybe weโll get that eventually.
rich apex
Blizz releases women can be thicc today
Maybe Blizz releases different people have different hair tomorrow
lusty latch
thier eyes colors changes if you select the dark skins. (4,5,6)
tulip sun
Scars and such could be universal I think, maybe. Similar to other games
For all races
terse patrol
Yeah, but Iโm talking about faces and hair that belong on a black person. Rolling a human with dark skin but white girl faces/hair is kinda lame.
tulip sun
I like the kul tiran hair
lusty latch
Yeah, Blizz should address this problem
We need more faces and hairstyles for black humans
terse patrol
and asians
terse patrol
Youโd think theyโd have done so already after Pandaria.
lusty latch
and not just Kul'trian, also the humans
terse patrol
Black humans are lorewise native to Stranglethorn.
Their city was Booty Bay. They handed control over to Steamwheedle years ago for protection against the jungle trolls.
steel venture
I hope that female kul tirans get more african hairstyles tbh
since they hardly have any right now
like, kul tiran gals still have like 4 hairstyles right? or did it update
@hollow dock MFW: People are whining about the new bear form animations.
When the new version is how bears ACTUALLY MOVE.
ruby star
I like the new bear animations
steel venture
They're good!
Everyone's whining on the Wowhead article though for some reason.
ruby star
Yes I agree they are great! ๐
steel venture
LIke, what? The old bear animations looked like a stupid badger mixed with a cat, it was made by someone who seriously didn't understand how bears worked and it stuck since VANIILA.
This is also applying to bear mounts too and I'm gonna love it.
Imagine riding around on the new rig, that would look TERRIFYING on the Vicious War Bear.
sharp bluff
now imagine it with a gnome on top xan lol
the new animations are a big plus in my opinion hopefully they update the moonkin form a bit also, still waiting on a spirit moose form for my Highmountain Shaman so hopefully shaman is next on the list after druid
ruby star
Amani battle bear my dudes
steel venture
tbh i hope they put antlers on the highmountain moonkin :/ it was a little lame that its just the normal tauren one
uncut vault
The old bears literally stood on their elbows
steel venture
Like it was freaking elbow walking and in a perma-pounce animation.
finite wagon
of course, bears are known to pounce their prey, as opposed to, say, cats who maul their targets /s
glad they are fixing the little things :P
meager warren
http://prntscr.com/j0yhxw
if only they knew how wrong they are
strange falcon
about what is that post?
meager warren
strange falcon
imo beta one,as i've seen it in action
looks much more menacing
and ready to fight
than "ok i guess i'm a bear" stance from live
meager warren
same.
i'm glad they're finally fixing that atrocity in live.
copper tapir
Anyone else feel like the leveling is a little boring? I can't quite put my finger on it, I love the zone, but I'm having a hell of a time staying interested in Drustvar, and the story feels like it should be really interesting.
meager warren
chill.
it's in beta
copper tapir
No I know. I've been in every beta since MoP. Just feels like something is missing.
meager warren
it's not meant to be enjoyable rn. you're supposed to look for bugs and report them coherently.
you can message bliz through the bug report thingy and talk to them about it
copper tapir
I was just wondering if it was me or if other people are feeling something similar.
meager warren
probably. but i'd imagine people have been feeling that ever since classic TBC beta.
copper tapir
Maybe. Personally I thought the questing experience in previous betas stood out. Then again, maybe I just burned myself out on leveling on live, but it feels kinda dull in Drustvar/ally.
tropic trail
Why did the paladins get a ram for dark irons, i don't understand
meager warren
that sounds like a pun nod
hollow dock
I mean this isn't a beta
its an alpha
so theres a lot of stuff missing
and Wippy, rams are the natural mount for dwarves.
hollow dock
Because they've been doing that for all the races?
Draenei have their Elekk, Humans and Blood Elves have their horse, tauren how their kodo.
have*
tropic trail
no i know, but it looks better than the standard race mount
hollow dock
Oh well yea. Because they've been slowly overhauling all the racial mounts. This is their excuse to update rams
tropic trail
i guess that'll work
dense plover
what porter?
uncut vault
lilian voss, serving sylvanas
ruby star
@strange falcon For the Alliance!
strange falcon
ruby star
@uncut vault Does Alliance have a mass portal area like Horde does in there hub yet? :D
ruby star
Ahhh, Reckon a portal area will be added later on down the line?
ruby star
Tbh I don't like Sylvanas or the Forsaken
uncut vault
probably, alliance hub is not finished in the slightest
misty blaze
lillian voss is sexy too but i like sylvanas better that body of hers is a real winner idc if she undead
misty blaze
pre legion model of sylvanas was better looking too
steel venture
voss hates necromancers and the scarlet crusade
she "hated" being undead when she couldn't come to terms with her state at first
because she was a scared, newly risen forsaken
tulip sun
I wonder what the reasoning is
uncut vault
shes the only undead besides nathanos and sylvanas that people somewhat know
steel venture
they'll probably mention she's finally joined the horde properly too.
since she was the horde follower for rogues for 7.2
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
meager warren
that screenshot up there looks like it's in Kul'tiras.
meager warren
and yeah, i don't think she hates the undead, @hollow dock. However, I don't see her working for them, especially considering her history
meager warren
same
terse patrol
Lilian Voss uses pretty strong void magic as a rogue, so I won't be surprised if they eventually give her a model where she isn't rotten looking or someshit
Her hearthstone art lacks showing bones
uncut vault
thats more cause the hearthstone artists dont like drawing forsaken with bones
hollow dock
mostly because of localization I bet.
uncut vault
Prolly, easier to just draw them covered than have two versions
meager warren
wdym localization
hollow dock
If you didn't know,in China you can't show bones.
Skeletons are banned there. Superstition.
terse patrol
well
uncut vault
well, more accurately not allowed on people
terse patrol
That's half true.
tulip torrent
how to undead look like there ?
hollow dock
without their bones showing
meager warren
time for blizz to get new hearthstone artists located somewhere else then
uncut vault
full on skeletons are fine, gore on people arent
terse patrol
It's more like
hollow dock
They removed the skeletons left on the ground when ya die Port. Instead a tombstone is left.
uncut vault
Leoric in HotS is okay, but Stitches isnt, for example
meager warren
how does bones showing on people represent gore?
terse patrol
China is notoriously iffy on bones. There's loads of bones in games in China. However, there has been decisions in the past not to let games in due to bones.
Doesn't make much sense.
uncut vault
its not an official "bones are illegal" thing but they sometimes dont allow games because of them
terse patrol
They've had issues with death cults in East Asia in the past.
uncut vault
so US companies are careful
meager warren
what does china do with the bones of real people then?
just let them sit there? or do they do the work to clean 'em up?
tropic trail
all the gibblets in scholomance had to be replaced by freshly baked goods to make it china safe
meager warren
no shit
tropic trail
well, a side effect really
terse patrol
Blizzard did it so that the Chinese censors would push it through quicker.
They likely could have pushed it through either way.
hollow dock
I remember seeing a screenie of Isle of Dinos when what'shisface first spawned
People couldn't move through the island due to all the tombstones
terse patrol
Western companies are just afraid of risking being cut out of the Chinese market.
meager warren
Kuma? i think that's his name
terse patrol
Which is huge btw
meager warren
that'd be a win for western companies tbh.
The chinese market makes shit goods
terse patrol
WoW is still big in China.
And Korea
I think it's partly why they chose Sylvanas to lead the Horde.
Attractive females tend to do really well over in Asia in terms of selling product, even moreso than here.
hollow dock
Cuz animu
terse patrol
^
People forget that Blizzard makes a ton of money in Asia, and thus they design their games with Asia in mind.
meager warren
aren't weebs in western countries more obsessed with anime than weebs in Asia?
terse patrol
Pandaren used to have a slightly more Japanese bent, but they shifted them more towards the Chinese due to Chinese-Japanese relations.
That, and Pandas are native to China.
@EdgyTroll#9235 no
meager warren
epic fail
terse patrol
yes, we have weeaboos here.
But there's some serious issues in Japan and Korea with people who become complete shut ins.
They're still a minority, but yeah
terse patrol
^
meager warren
whales with mobile games?
terse patrol
They're called otaku.
hollow dock
yea.
meager warren
no, i don't
hollow dock
Essentially you seen the really big purchases for currency in mobile games?
like 100 bucks or so
terse patrol
Whales are people who spend insane amounts of money on micro transactions.
hollow dock
there are people that continually buy up that stuff. It's borderline addiction.
meager warren
those could also be bots tho
terse patrol
Otaku will fill their homes with anime merchandise to the point of it being weird as fuck. They'll spend tons on it.
hollow dock
they're not.
terse patrol
Like, it's ok to have a shelf with your figurines, maybe a poster or two. But they go all out.
meager warren
i have like 2000$ worth of legos
hollow dock
they go into beyond excess.
meager warren
does that count
terse patrol
eh
hollow dock
They have nearly 50k in terms of USD of merch in just their home
meager warren
yikes
hollow dock
and that's what they've bought just that year
terse patrol
^
meager warren
o.o
hollow dock
Yea
terse patrol
Quality anime mechandise is pricy.
hollow dock
Whales are a problem in all markets.
terse patrol
If I ever bought merchandise, I just want the Eva Units from Evangelion, and that's about it.
meager warren
do most of them work at mcdonalds?
did they never take economics in high school?
terse patrol
it's not about economics
hollow dock
It's not about smarts or economics
they feel a desire, a need. lack the self control.
terse patrol
It makes them "happy".
hollow dock
hence why its borderline addiction
meager warren
in economics, my teacher told us not to trust advertising.
those things worth 100$ or so is basically that
terse patrol
I think it's to fill a void in their lives.
hollow dock
Doesn't matter to them Edgy. It makes them happy.
and that's all they care about.
Companies aren't going to argue. they make money
meager warren
no it doesn't.
if it made them happy, they'd stop after buying it once
hollow dock
But that's how addiction works
terse patrol
They're happy as long as they're buying new stuff.
hollow dock
Once doesn't fuffill
terse patrol
If they stop, the happiness stops.
hollow dock
^
hollow dock
Suicide is a larger epidemic there than most other areas of the world tbh.
meager warren
and i thought i was edgy
terse patrol
Japanese culture is wonderful, but there's a seriously dark underbelly to it all.
To the point that there's a forest where people go to kill themselves.
hollow dock
Yup. I honestly blame a lot of the social pressures to do well with the combination of social media.
terse patrol
^
meager warren
i heard about that a few times. the last time was when that piece of shit youtuber was mocking one of the dead bodies there
hollow dock
Yea.
that forest is notoriously haunted. Finding someone who's passed on is not uncommon there.
terse patrol
I mean. I try not to spoil Doki Doki, but they did really well with portraying depression in that game.
hollow dock
Especially with how they hide it too. You'd never think they'd do it.
terse patrol
I'm always kinda uncomfortable with people going out of their way to mock otakus, extreme weebs, etc. Because they have a problem, or multiple problems, that need addressing.
lol
meager warren
tbh, mocking anyone except assholes isn't good
hollow dock
I mock stupidity.
meager warren
define "stupidity" in this context
hollow dock
Comments about very obvious things, questions with very obvious/easily found answers, observations that are a little to on the nose.
meager warren
oh.
same.
steel venture
so either vulpera kill one another for those tails or they hunt foxes in vol'dun
i havent seen any regular fox mob in vol'dun.
so.
strange falcon
maybe those are the tails of the follen foxes that have died
sharp bluff
ancestor fetish
strange falcon
and they keep them as mementos
terse patrol
hardcore
steel venture
no but at the same time does that not seem WEIRD?