yes
#beta-ptr-spoilers
meager warren
tropic trail
I'd love to see spins on classes like that, different explanations on why that race can be that class and so on, but I guess that would ruin "class fantasy" or something
uncut vault
I mean if they put a ton of cosmetic work into it basically any class could fit any race
tropic trail
and I imagine they don't want to open that can of worms
otherwise the community will demand every race get everything
rich apex
So what are people demanding in exchange for orc straight backs and blood elf gold eyes
tropic trail
high elves basically
rich apex
bah
I want new options for all my humans
I have no idea -what- they would be
But I want them
tropic trail
I actually really haven't seen any good suggestions for alliance equivelents, except maybe the skinny kul tirans being available to play
equivalents*
heavy cairn
that's kind of silly. orc straight backs and blood elf gold eyes are very minor. compared to giving a poorly-defined race that probably barely exists in the form alliance players want.
rich apex
It's definitely not gonna be that either 😛
tropic trail
straight backs is definitely not minor
rich apex
I mean in terms of minor new options to base races
Which would be a fair exchange for the orcs and belves
tropic trail
that's a pretty big change
rich apex
Ehh
tropic trail
visually anyway
so you'd expect alliance would get something just as visually distinct
the blood elf eyes are whatever imo
you wear a helmet most of the time that covers them
heavy cairn
OK, aren't kul tiran humans going to have a variety of body sizes?
also, aren't kul tiran human druids kind of making up for anything alliance is complaining about?
rich apex
They aren't
rich apex
There's no indication of anything but thicc
tropic trail
there's the skinny human, but there were skinny humans in vanilla too
heavy cairn
the fact that the race can be it, I mean.
rich apex
And the bias pendulum would swing back to Alliance if KTs got multiple body types 😛
heavy cairn
zandalari trolls are a subrace in every sense (well if they get pally they are not) meanwhile kul tiran humans have a class that humans do not get
^ if both get cool druid forms, that argument still remains
rich apex
The new skinny human has no female model
And Blizz isn't going to do multiple body types within a single race anyways
tropic trail
true
rich apex
(as much as that would be nice, it'd open a whole new can of worms)
rich apex
Orcs only got an upright model because Blizz made all the custom model orcs straight back for whatever reason
Except Garrosh
Because hunchbacks are evil, you know
tropic trail
I just hope they go back and change some of the npc to stand up straight
gonna be awkward being the only orc with good posture
in a city full of hunches
maybe they'll give dwarves wildhammer tattoos as the equivalent to straight backed orcs and golden eyes
tropic trail
I dunno, I thought it was kinda a stretch to make darkirons a whole race (the look amazing tho)
since dwarves already have some sooty black skin tones
rich apex
That is the thing
tropic trail
and it would be kinda awkward choosing between 3 different dwarf races, all on the same faction
rich apex
They -could- have just given base dwarves red eyes and one or two darker skins, called it a day
But they didn't
And they made a top tier Allied model instead
heavy cairn
I hope they polish the "low tier" allied race models...
tropic trail
that's true, wildhammer could be amazing if they were an allied race
heavy cairn
hopefully their current state is just a "prerelease"
rich apex
And both factions already have two elves, so 😛
tropic trail
alliance will soon have 3 humans
rich apex
The whole point of Allied Races is races that are similar enough to not be as much of an effort as an entirely new race
tropic trail
technically
heavy cairn
yes, though it would be nice if the effort was consistent between allied races
tropic trail
highmountain and lightforged do need a bit of work
heavy cairn
look at void elves vs. nightborne
3 of the released ones need work afaik
not void elves
tropic trail
void elves really just need a few more hair colors and maybe a skintone slightly closer to blood elf skin
still slightly discolored of course so they don't look just like blood elves
heavy cairn
don't see why more skintones are necessary, hair colors I can see where you are coming from but they're pretty good compared to some (non-allied) races
tropic trail
but I doubt we'll see too many extra customization options for any of the allied races, since they claim they're focusing on pumping out new allied races (pretends to not notice upright orcs and golden eyes)
skintone just to make the high elf crowd happy
rich apex
Races are done once they hit live fam
Minor exceptions to base races aside, apparently
heavy cairn
why would they give allied races skin color change ability then?
if there was no possibility of new skin colors being added
tropic trail
I'm not sure I understand what you're asking, all the allied races have several skin tone options already
heavy cairn
well, some have 6 and some have 3
the ones with 6 have a lot more potential than the ones with 3
just seems like some stuff is unfinished
tropic trail
Probably just because they had to rush those out for preorder bonus
which they probably had no intention of doing until the community started practically begging for it
heavy cairn
that's my point--I don't find it illogical that by the time of bfa release, they could have some more stuff ready to sneak into the prepatch
after all, it's a preorder bonus
doesn't have to be the full product at the time of preorder
as for the time of release, I doubt it was because of the community
I think it's more that they planned certain events poorly and felt forced to release 7.3.5 to avoid "wasting" certain changes. and they did not want to have a big patch later on that added/overwroe the allied races, I guess?
tropic trail
maybe, BfA is still in alpha, still plenty of time to add more stuff to the current races
heavy cairn
preorder was late in the month
however, it had to be set in stone by time of 7.3.5 (which had to come out before the scarab thing)
unless they wanted to release 7.3.6 soon after, or delay preorder enough to justify another patch, or disappoint everyone by saying allied races would be available at a later date (not related to "pressure", but because people thinks this means prepatch)
they enabled them at the "flip of a switch", yes, but if the races were unfinished, they couldn't so easily add the finishing touches
however that's probably not the truth of it, no way to actually know. I just highly doubt it was the community's "pressure."
of course that's assuming the races are indeed unfinished, which has no evidence.
I'm going to stop talking, hypothetical situations about businesses whose internal decisions do not affect me much really shouldn't divert my attention this much.
I'm personally happy with my nightborne, idc too much about possible "upgrades"
rich apex
They're finished fam
I'd say Blizz doesn't release literally unfished content
But someone will just bring up WoD
heavy cairn
not going to argue, but I will say that allied races are the first races to be released before expansion
just some food for thought
ruby star
@tropic trail lol giving Void elves High Elves custimsatation (skintone) would not please many of us xD High Elves should be a separate allied race
ruby star
Exactly, High Elves would only make sense has a separate allied race
rich apex
Can't wait to go through that song and dance and whine all over again if high elves don't make the cut in 9.0 😛
meager warren
https://www.forbes.com/sites/hnewman/2018/01/30/battle-for-azeroth-questions-answered-why-warcraft-players-wont-see-void-bears/#262e3ea36cdc
except for an off-hand comment about the faction war, they didn't go into what's wrong with it. :sad:
"Honestly I would almost say that we would like you to be estranged from your friends who play the opposite faction. You should cut those people out of your lives and question their choices in life."
if Ion actually said this, i'm pissed.
rich apex
It's a joke man
meager warren
aren't jokes supposed to be funny?
rich apex
He thought it was funny, at least 😛
meager warren
touche
rich apex
I do like his concept about how the PCs are a bunch of demigods with massive beef with each other
So of course they're going to get back to murdering each other at the earliest opprotunity
(Maybe not -entirely- reflected in the quests themselves, but an amusing thought nonetheless)
meager warren
it doesn't make any sense explained that way tho.
if they have such a massive beef with each other, why weren't they killing each other in Legion?
rich apex
Legion was kind of invading the world with an infinite demonic army
Of course, N'zoth is going to summon an army of naga and faceless ones, but that's supposed to be the 8.1 surprise 😛
meager warren
monsters of some type or other have been a nuisance to the horde and alliance together since classic.
yet they've found the time to murder each other in almost every expansion senselessly
rich apex
That's WoW for you
meager warren
unfortunately. i love WoW but that is my least favorite part of it
frigid umbra
What... lol, ally and horde will always hate each other.. thats the basis of the faction system. World of war craft... how can you have warcraft without warring factions? If ian said that, i dont think its a joke... its game design. Sure, funny way of putting it... but we've been buddy buddy for far too long.
You should want to gank and kill the opposite faction chars on sight in the world. Thats what the pvp system is for, thats why people ask for world pvp.
How can you have world pvp if we are all buddy buddy never attacking each other
upbeat compass
daring venture
Zandalar 😍
hollow dock
@frigid umbra that excuse doesn't work because, DESPITE the horde and alliance, we're still at war with all the factions tha twish to destroy us. Old Gods, Void corrupted forces, Legion, Demons, etc.
worthy tartan
Haven't managed to get my hands on the Alpha yet but it looks so good!
frigid umbra
I dont really think we are at war with these big baddies... we are just defending our selfs from them but we are at war with each others faction... but maybe its just me.
Anyway... dont really see why people want allys and horde to be close when there is clear hate and distrust between the factions in the in game lore.
tropic trail
Im glad they are fighting TBH
They haven't fought each other in a good while and this feels like a REAL war... a World War since its literally putting in the whole world. With sieging of castles some screenshots I saw of Sylvanas doing attack orders to kill EVERYTHING.
hollow dock
We are 100% at war with them Alex.
and the distrust is only because of the game. Not the lore itself.
and all this does is make us weaker to ya know.
THE ACTUAL THREAT
frigid umbra
what?... the hate and distrust between the factions is not in the lore?? have you heard of the warcraft games that came before wow... it's been always in the lore. even in the warcraft books. and again.. i dont see us being at war with deathwing... just defending our world from total destruction, same with the legion... it's like you cant wage war with an asteroid(same kinda thing you could say about the legion.. its a force that is unstoppable).. it will destroy the planet.. you defend yourself best you can and maybe you could overcome that threat somehow by luck. i see war as 1 party against another party that kinda are in the same range of power... we were no where near the power of the legion, or deathwing or arthas... but we overcame it somehow with luck. and actual threat can always be the other faction... what if the horde started mass plague bombing all allys cities and settlements... wipe them out... ?!?!? isnt it the same thing?
hollow dock
I didn't say that
I said 'its only there BECAUSE OF THE GAME.' not because of the story itself. If this was completely story driven, the factions would have eventually put their differences aside, think like rational leaders, and band together against the Old Gods, Legion, etc.
The legion we DID wage war against. Same with the Twilight's Hammer.
we didn't defend, we fought and went to them. We even say that we took the war TO THE LEGION.
Like the actual threat is whatever threatens Azeroth herself, the titan soul. Which is currently the Old Gods.
If we lose her, we lose our planet. If we lose our planet, Red and Blue does not matter one bit
sharp bluff
Arthas had the right idea, can't fight if we are all on the same team lol
hollow dock
the faction war is, and always will be, 100% absolutely pointless.
There will never be a resolve to it. It'll always keep going. Because of 1 thing. the game. Not the story.
tulip torrent
well now we have designated isles belonging to each fraction
Kalimdor for the mighty Horde and eastern kingdoms for the ally
atleast that is some kind of progress in the fraction war
ruby star
For the Alliance!
hollow dock
watch. End of BFA everything goes back to normal
with no side actually gaining ground
tulip torrent
bfa beta is not out yet and you know what is on the end of it ?
i agree that fraction war is close to endless
but its not pointless
it has progress
both fractions are losing zones to the other one
ruby star
Shame the Alliance can't take Silvermoon
hollow dock
its 100% pointless Argonia
because it leads to no where
Despite both factions 'losing' stuff
neither is gaining an upper hand
It's a trade off. Not actual gains.
jovial coral
If anything it will lead to more races having to choose a side or make their own faction
Then it would lead to more chaos
I want to see the deeprun tram flooded through
I'll actually go as far as predicting it will happen
sharp bluff
I thought we don't know where it runs though
jovial coral
We don't know any official schematics but I imagine blizzard will figure something out for us
It would be a good tactic for the Naga even if the tram isn't underwater. If it is underwater that could potentially flood Ironforge
The great forge in particular, alliance probably make a ton of weapons out of it.
tulip torrent
last time i checked ironforge was on a mountain
stormwind will be the first go to
if eastern kingdoms go underwater
jovial coral
That could happen but I figured Ironforge would be the better target. I was imagining the Naga or even stormwinds guards blocking of the entrance to the tram forcing the water to travel to Ironforge
tulip torrent
if they want ironforge underwater they should send some mages there and just teleport the city underwater, similar to dalaran in the begining of legion ^^
jovial coral
They can't teleport Ironforge like that
tulip torrent
why now
ironforge is not like dala on multiple levels
small dwarfs are not as heavy as a normal human
like i see it it would require less magic power to teleport it
finite wagon
ironforge is inside a mountain, theyd have to teleport the entire mountain so ironforge doesnt fall apart
tulip torrent
they can take only the top of the mountain
hollow dock
they can just teleport the ball of rock that Ironforge is on
tulip torrent
it would be a amazing travel for those in the train while the naga take the city somewhere else ^^
jovial coral
Even with the those very sound points it could be a strategic foothold for the Naga being where it is
tulip torrent
but ironforge is too way up for the naga to reach it they need flying mounts
or dig though the mountain
jovial coral
They swim through the busted tram
tulip torrent
again amazing trip for the alliance who are on the train in that moment
terse patrol
reeee new content when
meager warren
"How can you have warcraft without warring factions?"
really? smh
there's plenty of war without the stupid faction war
quartz mango
can we assume most if not all classes are incomplete on alpha right now? i'm hearing complaints from almost every side but as far as i know we aren't allowed at 120 yet, and a bunch of stuff is still in flux
hollow dock
As everyones complaining you can assume that the alpha is 100% complete and nothing will get changed.
:p
jovial coral
You can have war without factions being the main threat but I don't see why people want to remove it entirely
hollow dock
We dont want to remove the factions. Just end the war.
So these characters taht we love so much
steel venture
There's no reasonable point to keep having faction conflict shoehorned in when the "bigger, more dangerous threat!!!" makes it so the faction conflict is meaningless and they work together anyway
not to mention that skirmishes between specific races of the factions make more sense than the entire faction going to war with the other
EX:
gilneans vs forsaken
night elves vs orcs
humans vs orcs
etc.
hollow dock
fo' real
stone raven
Generally speaking, if you want to say that racial tensions make more sense than faction war, if one of your allies is in a deadly conflict, you'll come to their aid, explaining a faction war in that sense. Beyond that, they're selling faction pride. In most modern MMO games anymore, there are no more factions, and it's one thing that I don't think they'll let go of, especially if you're thinking merchandise.
Though I do prefer not having factions, as it does get monotonous thinking "what can we make them fight about this time".
hollow dock
I prefer them not exisitng because I already know for 100% certainty that nothing comes of them
jovial coral
There's always been something bigger than the horde alliance conflicts. To bring it to a racial thing only those races can participate in wouldn't work
meager warren
maybe not but if they're going to keep pushing a war, at least attempt to make it make some sense
uncut vault
The more reasonable complaint beyond “muh clearly unfinished alpha class” is that stuff that makes a class feel good to play is seemingly being put behind an xpac by xpac earning block
sullen dagger
oh god finding a female dwarf or a female tauren is near impossible
sharp bluff
Well you have to shave her beard to tell she is a female dwarf you know
hollow dock
The acheivements discord has groups for em set up
Also female dwarves do have beards canonically
uncut vault
Gotta play on an RP server, we've got guilds full of em
sharp bluff
Good old WRA has a lot of female Tauren
rich apex
...THAT is what Alliance needs to balance orc backs and elf eyes
Lady dwarf beards
For all of the 100 or so dwarf lady players
ruby star
Alliance just needs High Elves, Wildhammer Dwarves,Vkyrul etc that would balance allied races out tbh
well thats my personal thoughts at least xD
ruby star
Yeah most likely ! 😄 but theres a small chance we can see some of them in BFA 😄
sharp bluff
Would the Vkyrul join the alliance though? I always saw them as more of a horde race, well at least under Thrall I did
ruby star
Stormheim would?
sharp bluff
Other then being the race humans spawned from, I don't see much reason to join them
ruby star
I mean they might not join horde due to what Slyvnasa tried to do, (stormhiem ones) but could be wrong
sharp bluff
No it makes sense, I was thinking the one village near nighthold, but stormheim ones probably dislike Sylvanas a good deal atm
rich apex
I really want Horde kvaldir, so
Alliance can have vrykul, given their human relation
Ten bucks we'll find another island of vrykul at some point in the future, too 😛
sharp bluff
oh no doubt
I did not think of the kvaldir, but idk how that would work since a certain underworld patron dislikes Sylvanas now
rich apex
But I really like the concept of the Horde and kvaldir relating over the kvaldir being cursed pawns of an uncaring god
Whereas the vrykul think they're just monsters to wipe out, and thus they join the Alliance
sharp bluff
Wait maybe that could work, Sylvanas says the kvaldir from an evil figurehead
they are both dead
would work as the allied race forsaken recruit
rich apex
Exactly
sharp bluff
that would be... intereting actually
rich apex
The dream
hollow dock
Theres no neutral friendly vrkyul left
hollow dock
Honk your new pic speaks to me on a very spiritual level
Also what makes it dark irony and not blackrocky?
terse patrol
I did hear we might get Mag’har and DID’s in the pre patch.
sharp bluff
not enough fire for blackrock lol
hollow dock
Its a possibility.
terse patrol
Well, compare it to the uh
DID heritage set.
The same blocky/dwarfy appearance. They might have made it a bit vague so blackrock orcs can wear it and look cool.
hollow dock
It looks nothing similar
DiD armor is much lighter in color to e
And the pvp set is just the warrior tier set
From argus mythic
terse patrol
I’m not saying it’s an identical style, but it’s v similar imo
terse patrol
i thought you were anti weeb, but you like Miss Kobayashi’s Dragon Maid. 🤔
hollow dock
Is that what its from?
hollow dock
The face spoke to me on a spiritual level
terse patrol
o
yeah that’s her normal face lmao. One of the few anime girls who they specifically made to be plain, to contrast her with the dragon girls who are all pretty and stuff
hollow dock
That face speaks to me.
mint arch
weeb confirmed
terse patrol
i want a Dragon Maid remake, except with the WoW Aspects. Just make Malygos a girl. Neltharion can be the pretty emo guy.
😍
terse patrol
Miss Liadrin’s Dragon Maid.
hollow dock
I refuse to say I am a weeb. For weebs are illegal
meager warren
wdym there are no neutral vrykul left?
I'm sure the vrykul understand that Sylvanas doesn't represent the entire Horde. And if they don't, that's just plot induced stupidity and the fault of the marketing and writing teams
and Vris, you're a weeb
hollow dock
Nope Im not.
Any vrykul left have been killed by us, are hostile to everyone, or are already dead.
Or are with Odyn
uncut vault
Or all of the above
meager warren
what about the ones in that neutral vrykul camp?
hollow dock
You mean the ones in Suramar?
meager warren
also, Odyn saw the Horde as heroes
no, i mean in Stormheim
but Suramar counts too
uncut vault
Peers at the hostile dead assassins sent by Odyn that we killed
hollow dock
Those are Valajar. So theyre with Odyn
rich apex
Write new lore
meager warren
what hostile dead assassins? i don't remember that
rich apex
still wants to help Sigryn deliver justice for her family to Odyn
It's one of the mage tower questlines
hollow dock
The ones in Suramar, their standing Jarl tells us her people will never be friendly to ours.
uncut vault
They made up a whole new batch of vrykul for stormheim
meager warren
wat
rich apex
Odyn has assassins murder an innocent family because of a vague prophecy
Thereby fulfilling the prophecy
But hey, Odyn's a good guy
hollow dock
You can go save her yourself. Despite all we do, they wont accept us.
meager warren
let me kill sylvanas 2019
hollow dock
Let me join Bolvar 2012
rich apex
Bah
Why does he have to forgive us
When he's the one who keeps making things worse
Helya did nothing wrong
meager warren
wasn't Helya the one who actually tried to kill us
meager warren
and?
rich apex
And Helya's only an undead monster because Odyn straight up murdered her for the sake of his own ego
His own daughter
sharp bluff
really? I could have sworn as horde the ones in Suramar ended on good terms
meager warren
Helya is Loki's daughter in nordic mythology wat
why would blizz screw that up
rhetorical question ofc
rich apex
Because they aren't exactly doing an in depth study of Norse mythology
And, admittedly, would be even dumber if they literally copied the plot beat for beat
meager warren
i mean, Marvel did that pretty much. with some minor differences
rich apex
Loki did everything wrong
meager warren
yes but he also did everything right
meager warren
he's a trickster. it's his job to do that
rich apex
See above
meager warren
oh, like Natasha Romanoff is better? She's an assassin working for a top-secret gov agency
dense plover
instead of copying norse myths
no
im saying helya is an interesting concept
a unique-ish concept too
meager warren
well, gee.
if they wanted to make their own story, why would they rip off norse mythology like that?
rich apex
I mean she didn't decide to be a god of Earth for the lulz and invade with an alien army
rich apex
Because viking references
meager warren
Odyn is the god of the sky and the all-father
sharp bluff
I could see Odyn getting pissed if we (the horde) steal the horn controlling the kvaldir, Sylvanas seeing it would be reminded of Arthus and free them,
THAT would be an interesting root
dense plover
borrowing and tweaking a mythos is a way to make a story that may seem predictable but isnt
meager warren
big references and ripoffs. not just the name
dense plover
odyn isnt the all father though
rich apex
Oh yeah
dense plover
he just made the vrykul
rich apex
Remember that time Odyn literally enslaves the kvaldir
meager warren
and Helya is the insane ruler of the underworld who probably wants to take over Odyn's domain
and Odin made the humans. ur point?
sharp bluff
Helya wanted him imprisoned in wow, which she did
meager warren
He's also called Woden or Wodin or even gasp Odyn
sharp bluff
In game they portrayed Helya way off, which saddened me after reading her lore
dense plover
what do you mean?
sharp bluff
her lore was pretty cool
dense plover
she was portrayed pretty accurately imo
sharp bluff
in her lore she isn't as crazy
dense plover
uh
hollow dock
Thats the what
dense plover
in the lore she is crazy
hollow dock
Ten thousand+ years of corruption?
dense plover
after being there for thousands of years
sharp bluff
mad yes, but not dishonorable like she was in the one section
dense plover
uh
meager warren
it's not a problem. but ur saying that it's their own story when there's obviously pretty neat copies of the nordic mythologies in Warcraft is kinda dense
sharp bluff
was she corrupted? I did not find anything about that
hollow dock
Someone who BACKSTABS THEIR MAKERS ISNT DISHONEST
meager warren
stares blankly at peach and there we go
dense plover
Odyn trapped her in hell
meager warren
who do you think Hel in nordic mythology is
sharp bluff
She was forced to be a Vykrul and serve against her will, then turned on Odyn by trapping him in the halls, that is what I read
dense plover
i dont care if its ripped from norse mythos
it doesnt bother me
i dont know why it bothers you
meager warren
it doesn't bother me either.
dense plover
^
meager warren
but you're contradicting yourself now
sharp bluff
excuse me forced her to be Vry'kul
hollow dock
She was forced to become a Valkyr, the prime valkyr, because no ome volunteered.
sharp bluff
The vrykul objected, and Helya tried to talk him out of it. Instead, Odyn transformed Helya into the first Val'kyr and ordered her to do the job for him.
hollow dock
The vrykul arent made until the curse of flesh happens
dense plover
no
sharp bluff
So he forced her to be a Vrykul and and forced her to work for him
dense plover
titanforged vryjul
sharp bluff
against her will
hollow dock
She was never a Vrykul in the first place.
She was forced to become the first -Valkyr-
In which, she ends up backstabbing Odyn over it
dense plover
Helya nursed resentment against Odyn for thousands of years, until the day Loken, a Keeper who had been influenced by Yogg-Saron, convinced her to turn against him. Helya used the same magic that had been used to lock the Elemental Plane to seal Odyn and his Valarjar army inside the Halls of Valor
dense plover
yeah
hollow dock
Yes she was forced to become the first Valkyr
dense plover
she went insane off of revenge and hate
and she became evil
also, she listened to loken
hollow dock
All of this is corruption
sharp bluff
yes after being forced to serve, doesn't take much to get someone to betray someone they hate
dense plover
and it is likely she was corrupted by the old gods
hollow dock
^
dense plover
considering she is in charge of the kvaldir
hollow dock
She literally corrupts the souls of dead vrykul
dense plover
and they often serve old god objectives
sharp bluff
all it says is loken convinced her, never says she was corupted
dense plover
it doesnt say it
hollow dock
HER ACTIONS ARE CORRUPTING VRKYUL WHAT
dense plover
but its extremely likely
she is evil
she is corrupting souls
and she is filled with hate
also kvaldir
hollow dock
Kvaldir are -corrupted dead Vrykul-
sharp bluff
oh she is definitely evil at this point in time, but it started as resentment
hollow dock
I bet you'd say Med'an isnt retconned
hollow dock
The most mary sue character in WoW. Controls the elements, light, arcane, is the child of Garona and Medivh
meager warren
peach, a lot of people in wow are evil.
doesn't mean they're corrupted by the old gods
sharp bluff
^
dense plover
i didnt say corrupted by the old gods
sharp bluff
well yes I agree with that
hollow dock
Shadow magic does that to you afyer 10k+ years of explosure tk it
dense plover
i said it was possible
either way
she has probably had the old gods whisper to her for thousands of years
meager warren
it's possible based off of what logic?
dense plover
^
hollow dock
While under yoggs influence
dense plover
^
hollow dock
Its very possible that he was also getting to her
dense plover
most of their story was cut sadly
she just dies
and the story just ends
even though she isnt dead dead
the kvaldir still hear her voice
craggy nexus
The Kvaldir are just crazy.
meager warren
ur just crazy
sharp bluff
why thank you
meager warren
strange falcon
i didnt know they gave meeting stones new models with animations!
hollow dock
meeting stones?
ruby star
https://twitter.com/Muffinus/status/981291582786756608 Maybe Warfronts?
Twitter
rich apex
Summoning Stones
strange falcon
ye,the stuff you summon people with,near dungeons
hollow dock
people still use those?
rich apex
Apparently
meager warren
you mean, you don't?
hollow dock
No. My group has a warlock so we summon into the raid.
rich apex
Well, you do still need them for raids and mythics
meager warren
how about when your warlock isn't on
hollow dock
We have ten warlock alts. We never dont have a warlock.
meager warren
ten isn't very much
hollow dock
Out of 15 raiders? yes that's a lot
meager warren
wow, only 15?
noob
ruby star
What new features do you think will be turned on? Warfronts? or something xD Or was He joking xDD
hollow dock
Its Muffins
meager warren
oh yes.
Dastardly muffinboi.
Always up to some trick or other
ruby star
Ah got my hopes us there xD that Warfronts would be turned on properly xD
hollow dock
xD well xD never xD get xD your xD hopes xD up xD for xD muffins xDDDDD
ruby star
xD
hollow dock
xDxDxDxDxDexdeexdeexdeexdeeEXDEE
meager warren
one more "xD" and it'll be a cringe overload
ruby star
Ah yes I am so used to using 'xD'I use it in most sentences now
ruby star
I agree but oh well
hollow dock
I find it more obnoxious than cringy tbh
meager warren
i find it both
ruby star
Ooo okay makes sense
strange falcon
the alpha servers shutdown a few secs ago btw
tropic trail
oh, new build incoming?
heavy cairn
yes I was just about to test warlock changes then the servers counted down...
better be 120 cap and/or vol'dun unlock...
meager warren
if Alliance did that, the fox people would hate the Alliance.
And that wouldn't help the Alliance at all
rich apex
Well, yeah
heavy cairn
but the fox people they took forcibly would help the alliance
that's how slavery works
rich apex
I mean something as a parallel to the Horde dickery in Stormsong 😛
tropic trail
I doubt we'll see any
heavy cairn
I'm fairly certain we will
I doubt they are going to trash the horde the whole expac... (without trashing alliance too, that is)
horde being scum is probably just limited to teldrassil and battle for undercity (which mind you are not even open for testing)
meager warren
"Taking slaves gives a reason for the slaved to hate the slaver and hate is a dangerous power."
sharp bluff
do we know why yet for Stormsong?
tropic trail
I wish I had alpha so I could stop getting this info secondhand
ruby star
I suspect Warfronts to become available and hopefully just maybe Voldun?
meager warren
hold up, Battle for Undercity started because the alliance was dicking around
heavy cairn
uh?
ruby star
I hope I get an Alpha invite but chances are low tbh
heavy cairn
horde destroyed teldrassil because of greed
alliance attacked undercity in retaliation
tropic trail
wasn't sylvy planning an attack on stormwind in the new book?
undercity might be retribution for that
heavy cairn
horde blighted undercity so no one could ever live there again for like 10000 years, so more greed
rich apex
Apparently someone managed to bug their way into a Warfront
heavy cairn
I'm personally not happy with that turn of events, but it's still subject to change
rich apex
So Warfronts already being in the build but not switched on yet is likely
meager warren
but that could be written off as a defense technique
tropic trail
yeah, if you know you're going to lose the land, might as well salt and burn it
rich apex
And there is The Golden Rule to consider
tropic trail
so your enemies can't use it
rich apex
ruby star
Yeah Warfront gameplay is already out there
meager warren
wait, which blight are you talking about
ruby star
But like hopefully it gets officially turnrd on
heavy cairn
fairly certain it's the blight
tropic trail
also, can't the red dragons cleanse blight?
meager warren
which blight?
heavy cairn
the one that scourge, forsaken, and living cannot survive
meager warren
oh, that one
heavy cairn
red dragons? why would they choose sides and help alliance by cleansing blight?
heavy cairn
but the horde is still full of living races who deserve life just as much as the alliance (trying to think like a red dragon)
tropic trail
fair enough
meager warren
except, in the case of forsaken.
they deserve unlife
because, you know... i don't think the writers have imagined a way to truly bring them back
tropic trail
I don't know, I'm not even entirely convinced forsaken actually have freewill
heavy cairn
I'm convinced that most forsaken have free will, but some probably exist who do not
tropic trail
yeah, there are for sure some that do, the players for example, but I'm sure there's plenty that don't, why would they choose to live in a sewer instead of just rebuilding/living in the ruins of their old homes?
heavy cairn
I can't explain why they would want to live in a sewer, lol
same reason why all blood elves just have to be in the horde (unless they are void elves)
meager warren
but... what if the players don't have free will!
puts on tinfoil hat
sharp bluff
we are colorblind, and most of our noses have already fallen off
tropic trail
all blood elves are on the horde because the ones that aren't are high elves tho
heavy cairn
yes but anyone has the potential to leave their home and become neutral
but that just doesn't happen in WoW
tropic trail
ebon blade it technically neutral, players only on a faction for gameplay purposes
heavy cairn
you could argue that they are not of their original races anymore though
tropic trail
in game, yeah it basically never happens
meager warren
i don't think Death Knights can communicate cross faction
heavy cairn
gameplay restriction
sharp bluff
we can not sadly
tropic trail
but DHs, pandas, void/blood elves can
heavy cairn
they probably can lorewise, using the language of the scourge, which death knights have been shown to know
sharp bluff
makes little sense since DH can
meager warren
can Nightborne/ Night Elves?
tropic trail
10k years will create one hell of a language difference
heavy cairn
horde mages/void elves can communicate too, if the mage gets the passive
tropic trail
Azerite armor incoming
meager warren
but somehow they speak orcish/ Horde-speak
heavy cairn
yea language restrictions are gameplay only...
tropic trail
Didn't forsaken have common at one point in the vanilla beta?
heavy cairn
I bet lorewise all important characters speaking cross-faction know and speak Common
meager warren
if they did, it was probably only removed because players were trolling each other cross-faction
tropic trail
pandas
heavy cairn
pandaren language used to still be separated
meager warren
orly
tropic trail
could warlocks speak demonic to eachother back when they could speak it?
cross faction that is
heavy cairn
could warlocks understand their own demonic?
ruby star
@tropic trail so no Warfronts being officially turned on?
heavy cairn
just asking because e.g. shadow priests cannot understand their own Shath'yar
tropic trail
I think they could only speak it in meta, and could force others to speak it with curse of toungs
I'm wondering why warlocks can't speak demonic now tho, how do we communicate with our demons?
heavy cairn
magic
meager warren
i like to answer those questions with "PIS" or "Plot induced stupidity"
meager warren
meta?
hollow dock
metamorph
meager warren
wat
hollow dock
have you never played a demon hunter or warlock pre-legion?
meager warren
i started after legion came out.
you tell me
hollow dock
so you never picked up a DH
meager warren
well, after legion came out, i did.
but no, not then
hollow dock
then you know what meta is
meager warren
as in, DH's demon form?
heavy cairn
dh meta behaves differently
hollow dock
it behaves slightly differently
Concept is the exact same
upgraded/changed abilities and becoming a demon
meager warren
DH's have demonic as a secondary language in or out of demon-form.
i don't know what you're getting at
heavy cairn
didn't really play warlock but from what I remember warlock meta behaved more like shadow priest voidform
i.e. lasted as long as you had the secondary energy rather than a set duration like DH meta
jade basalt
Ressource-wise yes it was like Voidform, for the rest it was like Meta, i.e upgraded set of abilities
heavy cairn
well voidform comes with its set of passives, they just don't change the ability icons
thought it was similar enough to justify comparison
jade basalt
Voidform doesn't replace your spells with upgraded ones. It does only change Voidform/Void explosion (whatever the spell is called) with Void bolt.
heavy cairn
mind blast CD is reduced, similar to how whatever the DH aoe thing's CD is reduced (except no name/icon change)
meager warren
do you have a qwerty keyboard, Vris?
hollow dock
yes
meager warren
interesting
heavy cairn
fine, I should not have tried to expand my comparison to the abilities after you brought that up
I could say the truth of how I originally meant what the duration was based off of, but you would just say, "no you're changing it so you win"
heavy cairn
I remember the ability from when I attempted to level a warlock in cataclysm. just didn't remember the exact ability changes, only that duration operated like voidform does today
sharp bluff
we used to be able to speak cross faction in that form yes
we got demonic as a langue during it
tropic trail
so there was some form of cross faction communication all the way back in wrath when it was added then?
sharp bluff
we could also understand the npcs in outlands with it
meager warren
so, in TBC?
tropic trail
it wasn't added until wrath
sharp bluff
we could just go back and understand them
tropic trail
I mean, there's this http://www.wowhead.com/news=283256/battle-for-azeroth-alpha-build-26237
but there's not much info there yet
although it looks like honors back as a currency?
and brown orcs might be viewable in the allied race section of the character creation screen
meager warren
honor, currency?
so does this mean we'd lose prestige progress when buying stuff with honor as currency
tropic trail
there's also honor level tho, as a currency
tulip sun
Undercity Plaguebat is the forsaken-themed mount's official name
NEW Undercity Plaguebat
One of the last of the giant bats to escape Undercity following the siege of Lordaeron.
PH
ionic terrace
Could they finally be splitting up AV and the other few
tulip sun
How do we obtain? 😮
meager warren
read it and find out.
if it doesn't say, they don't know
meager warren
:khadgarface:
hollow dock
NEW BINDING_NAME_TOGGLE_VOICE_PUSH_TO_TALK
Voice Push-to-talk
biggest part of this build
meager warren
oh no
tropic trail
they've been pushing voice chat in all their games recently, HoTS got it not too long ago as well
and it's built into the blizzard launcher now aswell
and this will actually be their second attempt at putting voice chat into wow
meager warren
second?
it didn't work the first time?
tropic trail
I think the old voice chat might still be in game, I'm not sure tho
I think it was added during either TBC or wrath
terse patrol
I heard this build was 2 gigs of data, that true?
tropic trail
that's kinda small
jade basalt
2Gb isn't small. Most builds are 1-2Gb.
But this one (it's actually 2 builds, which in total are..) is 5Gb, which is huge.
tropic trail
not that big considering wows total filesize
meager warren
i mean, technically it's small since they have a certain amount of terrabytes filesize.
but since it's only one build or so, 5 GB at once is big
strange falcon
well,concrete playtest-able stuff,are mag'har and warfronts
now we have to see what datamine models we can get
hollow dock
wait
tropic trail
so mag'har are actually playable now?
strange falcon
it says "races-mag'har"
hollow dock
So then does that make them playable?
because Dark iron and Zandalari were added and theyre not.
tropic trail
I just assumed they were added to the character creator, they might not be unlockable yet
strange falcon
idk m8,cant even download the thing yet
meager warren
wdym dark iron were added and they're not
rich apex
Might -technically- be playable...but if the recruitment quest isn't accessible
hollow dock
Dark Iron dwarves got added into the build
but theyre not playable
Mag'har got added in and apparently theyre playable
terse patrol
i doubt it
meager warren
"theyre not playable"
"clearly they're playable"
you can have one but not both
hollow dock
Clearly you're confused on my words Arson
rich apex
Things can be in the alpha but not accessible by players
meager warren
clearly you don't know what self-contradiction is
hollow dock
since they got added in
I do? I didn't contradict myself.
Mag'har orcs are apparently playable.
Dark Iron arent.
tulip sun
Vris, stop with your sarcastic bullshit.
hollow dock
never
meager warren
it sounded like you were talking about DID both times
hollow dock
also this is what the build is for.
With the new Alpha build going up today, we're going to enable some initial testing of one piece of Azerite Armor, with one set of choices. To access it, you'll need to create a new character, and you'll find it in your inventory.
Note that some elements are still placeholder (including the UI), but we're still interested in any early feedback you have on this feature. We'll be rolling out additional pieces of Azerite Armor for testing as the Alpha continues.
meager warren
and yeah, if you want to have a serious conversation, don't be sarcastic
hollow dock
EdgyTroll wanting a serious conversation
meager warren
yep.
and when i want a serious convo, you know something's wrong
tulip sun
WHAT>!
tulip sun
I...
I love it
I assume that is the counter to the plaguebat
We need more racial-themed mounts like thisssss
Look at that armor
meager warren
those horns doe
terse patrol
my guess is, this is to let nelves and undead feel better about losing their land lol
meager warren
that armor looks more DH-like than nelf-like
rich ocean
http://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/720788.jpg uhhhh dark iron dwarf SECOND racial mount?
meager warren
looks like a cross between mag'har orc theme and zandalari troll theme
heavy cairn
could be a mount for whatever faction represents the dark iron dwarves
rich ocean
oooh could be vicious war mount
heavy cairn
nightborne have the arcanist's manasaber and also the racial nightborne manasaber.
it's not as if an allied race unlock mount has to be the ONLY mount for the race
tulip sun
Dark Irons are not a huge quest like that though
heavy cairn
how do you even know without the war campaign being testable
rich ocean
yeah the arcanist mana saber is not nightborne, its just part of the unlock
tulip sun
I assume it is a vicious war mount, counterpart to the Mag'har Vicious War Clefthoof
rich ocean
maybe.
meager warren
or demon
tulip sun
Oh
Updated models for them
Dark Hounds they are called
I guess it suits them
I truly love the mounts with racial themed armor
rich ocean
so yeah the single headed corehound racial mount, with this being the vicious mount, makes sense.
terse patrol
Dark iron dark hounds? I guess we know what the Dark Iron hunter pet will be.
meager warren
will it be "Vicious war Corehound" or?
rich ocean
also with the "syvlanas plague bat" becoming a mount, is it possible the "anduin horse" will become a mount?
meager warren
no
rich ocean
edgy it looks like the corehound is the racial and this is gunna be the vicious, because the dog has more detail, and the other is listed as a racial mount well this is not, it just well is dark iron dwarf themed
tulip sun
It is not really a SYLVANAS plaguebat
rich ocean
it is pretty syvlanas...
terse patrol
industrial friendly.
tulip sun
It is forsaken themed, lol
rain quest
But why cant Maghar orcs be Warlocks but Dark iron dwarfs
tulip sun
How do you guys know classes
terse patrol
That's literally why the Frostwolves became green.
meager warren
WAT? Mag'har can't be warlocks?!
rain quest
Yeah
rich ocean
maghar orcs are the ones who didnt drink the demon blood....
meager warren
saddaysman
tulip sun
Where are these listed
meager warren
don't need to be demonic to be a warlock
sharp bluff
Warlock = fel, maghar = not fel
rich ocean
dark iron are the ones who taught bronzebeard dwarves to become warlocks
terse patrol
Frostwolves became green because of proximity to warlock magics. The other clans became green due to the blood of Mannoroth.
Drek'thar was a warlock for a while.
rich ocean
wait what?
terse patrol
Before he turned back to shamanism.
rich ocean
ah yeah it was short lived.
rain quest
But mage ?
heavy cairn
gold eye blood elf warlocks, but no maghar warlocks :(
terse patrol
Mag'har will almost certainly NOT be warlocks.
rich ocean
rich apex
Thanks fam
sharp bluff
nice
rich apex
There goes my Blackrock warlock, rip
sharp bluff
dark iron rogue get
rich ocean
yeah no maghar orcs the whole point is that they are not fel corrupted
rich apex
(assuming it is final, of course)
rich ocean
seems silly to be an uncorrupted... then corrupt yourself...
heavy cairn
does being a warlock imply corruption though?
meager warren
oh, so mag'har can be priests but not warlocks.
makes so much sense
rain quest
But they can be shadow priests lol
rich ocean
wanna be a blackrock warlock? play a normal warlock orc then 😛
rich ocean
well yes actuallty, being a warlock corrupts you, guldan never drank the demon blood, look how he turned out
sharp bluff
cool back spikes and fangs
meager warren
he didn't?
heavy cairn
guldan went through other changes though. remember, he was originally a cripple
but he is clearly not any more
rain quest
No he didnt
tulip sun
Mag'har don't have as many options, lol
rich ocean
orcs seem much more corruptable by fel magic then other races.
rain quest
Yeah he was like bannes from his village
terse patrol
Yeah, I assume Mag'har will be pretty "fanatical" about not being corrupted. They likely consider it a point of pride now.
rain quest
And looked for the elements for shamanism
meager warren
i'mma have to read chronicle 3 again
heavy cairn
ah I see your point honkerton
meager warren
or, chronicle 2
heavy cairn
maghar are like night elves used to be with mages but with warlocks
rain quest
But they didnt answer, but something else answefed
rich ocean
The whole point of maghar is not being corrupted, so once you become a warlock your no longer maghar, your just a normal orc.
heavy cairn
maghar not playable on alpha, by the way
rich apex
Truuuue
rain quest
rich apex
It's not an ironic class for them by any means, for sure
hollow dock
It's iconic for normal orcs
rich ocean
Yep, guldan never drank it because he never wanted to become "bound to the legion" if i remember correctly.
hollow dock
but Mag'har are specifically UNCORRUPTED in orcish
rich ocean
and he shows this well when both old guldan, and new guldan try to betray the legion
rain quest
Yeah they are the original orcs
hollow dock
Not entirely.
Mag'har just didn't drink
the differences between them is that the New Gul'dan chose the legion over himself
rich ocean
http://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/720782.jpg also pretty sure this is night elf themed, someone said demon hunter but the only thing really is the green gems, it looks alot like
heavy cairn
No maghar testing, assuming testability based off datamined text is silly.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/295476675351805953/430882200565841922/unknown.png
rich apex
In the files =/= playable
rich ocean
OSX... assuming stuff based on dataming is not really silly... it is all we can go off of. Also maghar makes 0% ssense to be a warlock so.
heavy cairn
assuming testability, to be more precise, is silly.
rain quest
The thing is
jade basalt
It's called hippogryph mount night elf https://media-azeroth.cursecdn.com/diffs/26367/icon-inv_hippogryphmountnightelf.jpg
gaunt helm
anyting new on ptr?
rain quest
Warlocls shouldnt exist now lol
rain quest
Yeah
hollow dock
Fel exists
rich ocean
also this sorta confirms mag and dwarf are going together, with kultiran and zandalari going together right?
hollow dock
That's what a warlock is
rain quest
But we stoped the legion, no more demons
rich apex
Ain't nothing confirmed man
heavy cairn
demons existed before they were part of the legion
hollow dock
^
rich ocean
demons will allways regernate
rich apex
Except that they are coming at some point or another
rich ocean
argus just seems to have sped it up
hollow dock
Indeed.
rain quest
Ok im sry lul
hollow dock
Demons die in the Twisting Nether. Outside of it, they simply regenerate over time.
rain quest
Well but if we kill all demons
hollow dock
Argus just gave them the 'insta rez'
rich ocean
Argus seems to have sped that up, and made them immune to the "twisting nether" thing
sharp bluff
and even the twisting nether part is ify it seems
heavy cairn
we don't know the mechanics of how argus' world soul sped it up or changed it
sharp bluff
what fel said
rich ocean
the twisting nether thing was specificly because of argus
heavy cairn
especially because of Twisting Nether time dilation, there are no time frames specifically proving or disproving anything about argus and how he sped it up
hollow dock
***random NPC quotes of people hyped up on fel (drugs) should not be taken seriously IMO
rich ocean
nor do we really know if it speeds it up, its all we can assume though.
hollow dock
we do tho
rich ocean
we know demons allways regenerated
hollow dock
Alleria saw that it did
rich ocean
we know argus did SOMETHING to the demon armies to make them "infinite" and we know he allowed those even killed on argus to return
hollow dock
In the audio drama it was described that demons poured out around Argus. and he was being used to resurrect them
rich ocean
we dont know exactly, all we can assume is he sped them up to the point you kill 1, 10 return
hollow dock
Like.
rich ocean
??? i dont?
rich ocean
archimonde we dont know yet
rich ocean
kiljaden failed sargeras AGAIN who knows, alos he may be too big
hollow dock
he's dead for good. Gone.
rich ocean
and no they said "for now assume hes dead, but he can come back if we need him to"
heavy cairn
did KJ not die on (just above) argus? how come he was not able to be regenerated while every other demon on argus could?
hollow dock
We dont know if that's even the case OSX.
rich ocean
cause in cineamtic he dies on draenor, ingame you "beat him" in the nether, but then... hs body... is on draenor..
heavy cairn
^ wod mess
rich ocean
OSX we dont know, might be because saregeras sees him as a failure
hollow dock
Since mythic is the old heroic.
rain quest
You know what im wondering?
While sargeras was stabing us, he had his hand on azeroth to "hold" him self. How comes, that doesnt effect anything with like gravity and all that thing
rich ocean
so Vris, how did archimonde then throw guldan through the portal?
hollow dock
Ask blizzard not me.
sharp bluff
Magic fire, always magic
rich ocean
and again on mythic mode his body lays on draenor
hollow dock
How exactly is there only 1 archimonde and kil'jaeden
despite the twisting nether cross all timelines?
rich ocean
the fight implies we beath im in the nether he drops us back onto draenor, he dies.
rich ocean
the fight has us bring his health to 0 in the nether, but then the cinematic shows us on draenor, and then his body is on draenor.
rain quest
And dimensions
heavy cairn
don't try to make sense of wod, somehow in the lore he dies in twisting nether yet sends guldan to prime azeroth
rich ocean
so as they said "for now hes dead, but we could bring him back without much bending if need be"
hollow dock
Except no other timetraveling is actually as confusing when its donein WoW.
Its just WoD
heavy cairn
the problem with wod is that it has to be alternate
rain quest
The trolls will bring him back, like Lei-shen
rich ocean
https://i.imgur.com/oc2FlT1.png EUYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
rain quest
Lul new expansion cormed
rain quest
Confirmed*
terse patrol
@hollow dock ye. dat dark iron dark hound mount
rain quest
Archimonde sent him into the nether
tulip sun
Ya
rain quest
Not azeroth
tulip sun
We were talking about it a bit ago
terse patrol
Dark Iron Supremacy
rich ocean
Thats what we werre talking about vris
terse patrol
I keep saying this
rain quest
Yeah but somenody sais hat lul
terse patrol
but yall DOUBT THE MIGHT OF THAURISSAN
sharp bluff
you know how people in dbz can fuse? basically all the Kiljaedens and archimondes fused into one big giant super version of themselves
rain quest
Said dat*
tulip sun
We believe it is the Vicious War Mount for DID, counterpart to the Mag'har Clefthoof War Mount.
heavy cairn
wow time travel: you go back in time, you can bring whatever you want, you can change events, you can bring whatever you want back, then things are updated except for your own memories.
wod: does not follow this, that's why it makes no sense because they had to make something up for it to work.
rich ocean
That seems to be the vicious version of the dark iron mount
like how the maghar have the vicious clefthoof
heavy cairn
it's exactly what happens though
heavy cairn
bronze dragon is supposed to prevent it
yes
but if they do not, that's what happens
rain quest
So but if we can travel to other dimensions now
hollow dock
We've always been able to do that Fire
rain quest
Well i dont meandimeons
sharp bluff
monks go to the air plane
rich ocean
lol blizz what happened to the interface at blizzcon? https://i.imgur.com/C00KwVu.png
sharp bluff
I know, just giving an example