because they wrote an entire chapter of book 1 on this
#beta-ptr-spoilers
dense plover
^
they arent going to use the same words for saying the same thing in two diffferent books
hollow dock
mhmm. Which of the staff do we conact then to make sure there's no confusion?
People are thinking it was retconned now
@plain vigil That theory is from Pyro btw.
plain vigil
I think you said it yourself vris that people can develop the same idea separately... you even used it to argue against me about a month ago...
hollow dock
Yea when we were talking about ancient religions about similar themes. Everyone thought of the pyramids. Everyone thought of the floods.
But not everyone would think 'The titans wrote chronicles vol 1 and thus we can't consider it as true canon'. That's too specific.
plain vigil
So i didnt get the theory from pyro but it’s an idea he shares so it’s his theory, seriously!?
plain vigil
I don’t think you’re seeing the point
hollow dock
If pyro had made the theory, yes I will credit him to the theory he created.
jovial coral
Hmmmm
barren igloo
dense plover
so saragon
they arent lightforged
when the sunwell was cleansed of fel, the spirit of a naaru was infused into it, making it a mixture of light and arcane
it was said that eventually the fel would fade from the blood elves
so it now has
and golden eyes
uncut vault
were people unironically thinking they were lightforged?
steel venture
yes.
people legitimately thought that, for some reason
AKA: Nobody fucking paid attention to Sunwell.
The raid OR the comic.
rich apex
steel venture
overkill much?
terse patrol
@rich apex those dirty civilians were asking for it!!
rich apex
To be honest
After the shit they gave Jaina
I'm not bursting with sympathy for Kul'tiras
😂
uncut vault
after the shit one noble woman and jainas mum gave Jaina*
uncut vault
I mean, when someone kills their dad, who is the leader of your nation
uncut vault
typically you hate them
uncut vault
doesnt help that from an evil context shes basically a water witch
uncut vault
rigid furnace
Isn't it more likely that the golden eyes are for the Bronze Dragonflight members that help with the Mag'har recruitment scenario?
clever ember
"Beware, beware the Daughter of the Seas."
"Beware," I heard him cry.
His words carried upon the ocean breeze,
As he sank beneath the tide.
Those blood-soaked shores of Kalimdor,
Where sailors fought and died.
The admiral fell at Theramore,
because she left his side.
Why this? Why this oh Daughter of the Seas?
Why this? Did you forget your seaside days?
Always the pride of our nation's eyes,
How could she go astray?
When she did flee across the ocean deep,
the admiral followed west.
What else but sail to save a daughter's life,
and pray she still drew breath?
But there he found on the Western shores,
Enemies 'on the rise!
But when he faced those savage foes
His daughter stood aside.
Buried deep beneath the waves,
Betrayed by family.
To his nation, with his last breath, cried,
"Beware the Daughter of the Seas."
That's the folksong the Kul'tirans created about Jaina
uncut vault
@rigid furnace we already know theyre a player option
rigid furnace
Ah. Gotcha. Well, that's neat. Might change my Paladin to that at some point then.
tropic trail
well, we don't "know" that they're for players, just that in the alpha they're a selection option, that could've been a mistake for all we know.
but for now, it's safe to assume that they're for players
strange falcon
vulpera confirmed horde guys http://bfa.wowhead.com/item=160548/voldunai-tabard-ph
http://bfa.wowhead.com/item=160529/volduai-cloak-ph
tropic trail
I mean, it's not like most people were expecting anything different, still sucks that I won't be able to play them if they become an allied race.
strange falcon
@tropic trail well,we're speculating that Sethrak will be playable and tied to the "Alliance war effort" faction
steel venture
Vulpera ain't so cute now that they're using blight.
They're gonna fit in the current Horde campaign just fine.
strange falcon
did I mention that in some of their voice lines or quest text,they say the kill and skin Sethrak to use their leather?
like making a boat sail out of a sethrak
ruby star
Vulpera are little bitches xD Can't wait to kill them as Alliance! For the Alliance!
strange falcon
👀 😒
ruby star
😄
sharp bluff
So reading through the lore retcon, they made Sylvanas care about the Forsaken it looks like?
strange falcon
ye
sharp bluff
nice
shame they retconed Garrosh in it also
I do find the Lich King stuff interesting going forward however
Makes me think our current lich is in control
sudden oak
so bolvar is the one in control?
strange falcon
@terse patrol I literally have that name reserved for my sethrak
Dangernoodle is too good
ruby star
I hope people get the allied races they wish for! :D
I honestly just want my quel'dorei xD
fleet jungle
Drorith - Today at 12:54 AM
Vulpera are little bitches xD Can't wait to kill them as Alliance! For the Alliance!
why are you like this
ruby star
Like what?
fleet jungle
horde gets a somewhat wanted allied race
can't wait to kill them as the alliance XD
ruby star
XD What can I say, I'm 100% Loyal to the Alliance xD
fleet jungle
so am i
just
eh
bfa's not even out yet and horde vs alliance is going strong cus of allied races
ruby star
Yeah
fleet jungle
i guess you could say blizz knows how to start a
race war
ruby star
I think if Blizzard gave Alliance players High Elves and Wildhammer Dwarves and Vkyrul a lot of the allied race war would be solved xD
fleet jungle
we're definitely not getting high elves
ruby star
You don't know that
fleet jungle
Vrykul is a possibility but not likely
ruby star
Theres still a strong chance for High Elves to appear as an allied race down the line somewhere
ruby star
Yes
fleet jungle
everyone's so blinded by allied races that everything's an allied race these days
what happened to regular races
ruby star
Because they make sense for an allied race, I doubt Blizzard would do it f they were a regular
fleet jungle
it really depends on how they're introduced
ruby star
Yea
fleet jungle
i'm glad we're getting kul'tiran humans however
ruby star
Yeah I honestly don't hate Alliance allied races so far, I just would prefer/want High Elves but thats me so meh xD
ruby star
Well they're already apart of the Alliance but I'm sure Blizz would think of a way
But yeah Most likely Veersa
hollow dock
Itd be one of the easiest allied races to introduce in all honesty.
ruby star
Yea
fleet jungle
don't they have issues with the night elves though
hollow dock
Nope. Not since cata.
sharp bluff
Inferos it sounds like from the parts wowhead pulled like Arthas broke Ner'zhul so that he was only a sad broken spirit, and since Arthas got pulled into the Frostmourne shards (at least part of him did) it sounds like Bolvar is the strongest thing in the helmet atm
hollow dock
No.
fleet jungle
no
hollow dock
From an average players stance, yes. To anyone with a lick of lore knowledge, no they are not.
sharp bluff
oh boy... here we go 🍿
strange falcon
oof hit him with the "they are not blood elves"
sharp bluff
Run inferos, you activated an elf card
hollow dock
I like how everyones hyping up nothing lol
fleet jungle
we were expecting you to continue from
sharp bluff
^
sharp bluff
You usually go off on the elf things
hollow dock
I answered his question. Why would I continue?
fleet jungle
you came off condescending, was expecting a rant
hollow dock
How you interpret me is up to you my dude. I answered the question as plainly as I could.
fleet jungle
ye you did that when you said "no"
Vris - Today at 1:26 AM
From an average players stance, yes. To anyone with a lick of lore knowledge, no they are not.
this did not do anything
hollow dock
It answered more truthfully from my p.ov.
fleet jungle
it kinda just sounded insulting and incorrect but you do you my man
hollow dock
Sorry, didnt mean to offend.
sudden oak
then what would be the difference between the Quel'dorei and the Sin'dorei except eye-color and faction?
strange falcon
uuuuh he wants the fight!!,he's back for more
ruby star
Theres good reasons/idea here for them
A new thread was made as the previous hit the limit with over 2000+ replies
So worth taking a look @sudden oak if you wanted to
mint arch
"Spectral beings known as the Val'kyr found her soul there and gave her a glimpse of her people's future. Without her to protect them, the Forsaken would be squandered by the Horde and eventually made extinct. "
-_-
some of these retcons/changes
sigh
*simplifications
i mean, sure, u cant fit everything into 1 book, but some of these changes are really :/
like leaving out Chen and Vol'jin
this comment is on point imo
I always thought the most interesting part of the Burning Legion is how nearly all of its members joined willingly. Sargeras would approach a world as he did Argus offering power and purpose and its denizens would join willingly. Only later learning how great a price they paid. Having them all be forced is boring.
hollow dock
@sudden oak The differences between the High Elves and the Blood elves is mostly Social and Political with some underlying physical differences.
High elves can meditate, consume small mana gems, and do a lot more to quell their addiction than the Blood Elves can.
High elves had been within the alliance prior to the Alliance we know of today.
High elves eye do not glow. Blood elves glow due to the potency of the magic they had absorbed, Fel and Light.
After Arthas had rampaged through Eversong and the lands we know as the Ghostlands, Blood Elves wished to remove themselves from the faction that made Arthas while High Elves wanted to go back to them.
Blood elves are named such because of their fallen Kin to Arthas while High Elves are named such because they were former Highborne.
those are all the ones Im aware of.
Port did note that Wowhead left out the sentence in between. its not a true retcon Void. That comment is exactly how it did happen.
They were given their choice: Join or Die. Sargeras then takes on Fel and everyones now bound to his will
mint arch
hmm
i see
so moira is now a mastermind genius character who manipulated both horde and alliance :/
uncut vault
Void, that Sylvanas stuff isn’t a retcon, that was her whole reason for returning to Lordaeron in time for Gilneas
sudden oak
its a simplification of a part from edge of night if im not mistaken
mint arch
In the short story "Edge of Night," Sylvanas enters into a pact with the Val'kyr because she is terrified of the hell she has found herself in death. Before throwing herself off the wall, she has a vision that the Forsaken would be exploited, but that doesn't stop her. In Chronicle, her motivations for accepting the help of the Val'kyr also involve protecting the Forsaken.
uncut vault
It is, most of the stuff is, because it’s intended that you’ve either already read it as a lore nerd, or haven’t read it and don’t need exact details
mint arch
things are changed/simplified/expanded on/retconned
uncut vault
I’m assuming you’re just quoting wowhead in these weird blocks
uncut vault
Yeah there are retcons like Aegwynn living and the dark irons, but Sylvanas not wanting her people to die out isn’t a retcon. The change of her genuinely caring was changed like two years ago
sudden oak
in the silverpine forest quests Sylvanas talks about it if im not mistaken
hollow dock
In edge of night and in the silverpine questing its pretty well established that she now cares for the Forsaken and not just revenge.
Made 'Edge of Night' seem less Christmas Carol and more 'Realization'.
hollow dock
I really like that they took advantage of Cho'gall and solidified who was spreading the Twilight's Hammer everywhere.
stray anchor
So is Aegwynn now alive tm?
hollow dock
Nope she's still dead. A visage of her, like a holographic recording, is in Tomb of Sargeras.
stray anchor
Okay, so that whole fight with Cho'gall was when?
hollow dock
Never happened. Med'an is no longer canon.
hollow dock
All the events of the Med'an comic happened still it appears but with Med'an being effectively erased, he's no longer the driving point.
carmine junco
i think most of us are pretty okay with that
hollow dock
which reminds me. @jade basalt Will Wowpedia be moving the Med'an content to 'not canon' portions of the pages he appears? Since he's been all but retconned?
hollow dock
what's the sauce of that photo?
hollow dock
Oh I see.
rich apex
Yes, that joke assumes you've seen that pic 😛
jade basalt
@hollow dock Possibly.. But there's technically not been a direct statement about it. I'll ask Matt.
hollow dock
Wouldn't want events that never happened to confuse people ya know?
tulip sun
I can't see it ever happening, especially now.
tropic trail
high elves will probably never happen, a proper skin tone for void elves tho, maybe
ruby star
I can see it happening in the future (not because of her reply but other reasons)
tropic trail
or half elves, made visually different of course.
ruby star
High Elves getting High Elves + Half Elves customisation would be cool
tulip sun
What are those reasons?
tropic trail
well chief among them being that they are already a pretty big part of the alliance
but blood elves being horde kinda counters that point
ruby star
generally https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20762096429 these post the OP has a lot of the reasons why.
tulip sun
They are not really a large group of the alliance
ruby star
Blizzard could of used High Elves and made them into VOid Elves but they didn't they used exiled blood elves
also
many support High Elves, the forums is normally those on the forums
theres a lot of lurkers
dense plover
blood elves and high elves are essentially the same
tulip sun
It doesn't matter who supports them.
dense plover
there is literally no point in making high elves a race
tulip sun
How many times do we gotta say they are the same exact species.
ruby star
There is a point, High Elves have been part of the Alliance longer then blood elves have been in horde
tulip sun
If anything, blood elves will get a blue option like their yellow
dense plover
thats not a point
tulip sun
^^
dense plover
thats history
hollow dock
To be fair
tropic trail
doubt they'll get a blue option
ruby star
If you read the posts you'd see suggestions for customisations such as tattos etc
hollow dock
Blood elves would have different DNA if we're treating Fel like radiation
So they would be a seperate species to the original High elves.
tulip sun
It didn't change them like that though
tropic trail
their eye color seems to be related to their power source, blue for arcane, green for fel, yellow for holy
dense plover
and customization wouldnt change anything about the fact that when wearing armor they would look the same
tropic trail
their font of power being holy now, I don't see them getting blue
ruby star
Sure biologically they are the same, but politically and culturally and ethnicity wise they are different
hollow dock
Yea green. Blood and HIgh elf eyes change temporarily depending on the source they drink.
hollow dock
As fel acts like radiation, that's not entirely true Peach.
ruby star
"it will never happen" it actually annoys me when people will say it will never happen you do not know it won't happen, blizzard has had plenty of chances to get rid of them or stop it
tulip sun
They won't make a race available to both sides. They didn't like how the pandaren worked out even.
dense plover
and culturally they are the same too
hollow dock
Radiation does change ones DNA.
dense plover
literally the only difference is the fact that they choose alliance instead of sunwell
they are from the same historical source
ruby star
Ethnicity
Thalassian Elves as of World of Warcraft: Legion, patch 7.3.5, are divided into three Ethnicities which included unique naming. While some might have a difficult time seeing the differences, the division between elves is still noted even today, such as with Elisande differentiating High Elves and Blood Elves.
ETHNICITY — Noun; 1) An ethnic group; a social group that shares a common and distinctive culture, religion, language, or the like: Representatives of several ethnicities were present; 2) Ethnic traits, background, allegiance, or association: The graph shows class enrollment by gender and ethnicity. Source: Dictionary Definition.
High Elves (Quel'dorei) - The High Elves are the survivors of the Third War who chose not to embrace the magic draining techniques of Kael'thas (who learned them from Illidan) and instead chose to remain loyal to the Alliance, or were exiled from Quel'Thalas.
Blood Elves (Sin'dorei) - The Blood Elves are the survivors of the Third War who chose to embrace the magic draining techniques of Kael'thas (who learned them from Illidan), and followed Lor'themar into joining the New Horde under Warchief Thrall.
Void Elves (Ren'dorei) - The Void Elves are a group of outcast Blood Elves whom were banished from the greater Blood Elf society as a result of their studies into the Void. Having recently been transformed by the power of the Void, they have joined the Alliance under the command of Alleria Windrunner.
hollow dock
So are Void Elves Peach.
tulip sun
Void elves literally were changed though. They were not transformation.
hollow dock
For now. It's still entirely possible they just enable high elves one day.
tulip sun
It is, but it is extremely unlikely
hollow dock
Unless they write that all High elves became void elves.
ruby star
Yeah Blizzard had the perfect chance to make High Elves void elves but they didn;'t
tropic trail
high/blood elf, could be the second neutral race
hollow dock
I dont see how it'd be -extremely- unlikely. They'd be, by far, the easiest race to impliment.
ruby star
High Elves wouldn't be neutral
tropic trail
I think pandas really only failed because no one wanted to play a panda
I mean neutral as in their basically the same race
just different eyes
ruby star
I'm pretty sure most High Elves hate the horde
hollow dock
Pandas had failed in Blizzards eyes because of how much work it took to make them for the payout.
sharp bluff
🍿
tropic trail
again, becasue no one wants to play a panda
tulip sun
There is no point in even talking when Vris joins the conversation
tropic trail
Imma just dip now, this conversation took a weird turn
hollow dock
Right. Right. Forgot. I can't disagree with everyone.
uncut vault
I mean, if they can make highmountain, who were basically exactly like normal Tauren, but with antlers, into cosmetically unique race, anything’s possible if Blizz wants it to be.
If they wanted to close the window for high elves, they would have.
ruby star
I';m still glad, even Blizzard Staff want High Elves lol xD
tropic trail
I still doubt we'll ever see high elves, but it's also not impossible
tulip sun
Highmountain at the least are visually distinct
tropic trail
not really tho
tulip sun
You can tell them apart
hollow dock
And nothing can ever happen that can seperate High elves.
tropic trail
brown orcs and green orcs will look the exact same covered in armor
hollow dock
No no, remmeber. That onlyapplies to high elves.
tropic trail
same with darkirons and regular
finite wagon
brown orcs and green orcs are in the same faction tho
finite wagon
i dont think high elves will be a thing for reasons like for pvp players, high elves could look like blood elves from a distance, which would affect them too much
uncut vault
Visuals don’t matter in that regard
At all
Pandas are identical, velfs and belfs are identical in armor
hollow dock
a brown orc to a green orc do not look visually different when covered in armor.
uncut vault
If it’s red with a nameplate above it, kill it
hollow dock
Which is what your argument is against HIgh elves.
finite wagon
true, but i still dont think blizz wants identically (atleast from behind) looking players on both factions, pandas aside
tulip sun
You also have to realize that the races are on the same faction
hollow dock
Velves exist Scerdar
tulip sun
They said they didn't like pandas for a reason
hollow dock
High elves and Void Elves are on the same faction Khamnin
tulip sun
Velvesglow purple in battle
finite wagon
velves are kinda on the edge i think
tulip sun
I would say that makes then different
uncut vault
I mean that’s kind of my point with bringing up highmountain. There was originally zero difference between them and normal Tauren aside from big antlers. So they gave them tattoos, gave them customizable antler markings, gave them new hairstyles.
ruby star
Would anyone be able to post on my behalf on US forums on the High Elf topic? xD (wanna put https://twitter.com/Drorith/status/979690766120267776 in there to give them moral support)
Twitter
uncut vault
Same can apply to high elves if they want it.
finite wagon
and speaking of velves, they are somewhat like knock-off high elves, so why should alliance get both high elves and knock offs?
hollow dock
How about the Lightforged Goats and the normal Goats? Let's say you're PVPing right, are you really going to make the distinct difference between them?
Void elves aren't knock offs. If anything, Blood Elves are the knock offs and Velves are the knock offs of the knock offs.
hollow dock
You say there must be for the High elves. So why are we applying this to only 1 race but none of the others? o=
tulip sun
Because they are on opposite factions
hollow dock
Void elves and HIgh elves. That solves your faction issue.
tulip sun
Horde has blood elves
sharp bluff
HM have a lovely racial charge, just saying
tulip sun
Void elves glow when they fight
hollow dock
Void elves glow for a few seconds every now and then in a fight*
tulip sun
High elves would look like blood elves all the time
uncut vault
Assuming they don’t get unique racials
tulip sun
Void elves look different enough to see them
hollow dock
Except when covered in armor.
Visually, in terms of say PVP, it doesn't matter that they look similar
uncut vault
By that argument void elves shouldn’t be able to be priests, it’s impossible to see the proper racial buff through shadowforms
hollow dock
because 'Red health bar' vs 'Blue/green health bar'
sharp bluff
It would be easier to give a lore reason at this point, such as the Belfs now contain holy energy, making it harder for them to join the Velfs, new Velfs are High elf’s, if they have a lore excuse like that
Just something as stupid as that
uncut vault
Doesn’t work because high elves are also connected to the Sunwell
And belfs connected to the Sunwell are what made the only batch of void elves so far
hollow dock
Not entirely port. Some helves are some aren't.
tulip sun
While we have no confirmation, it is hinted void elves can be high elves.
hollow dock
Alleria is technically a void elf
theres' no reason to believe only blood elves can turn into Void Elves.
uncut vault
Assuming they have the means of cloning the transformation yes, but so far we don’t know if they do
So those helfs are just studying the void
ruby star
I mean honestly I think High Elves have an even bigger chance of happening if a BLizzard senior game designer wants them too xD
hollow dock
All it takes is making a convincing argument to Ion for it
hollow dock
I do. He's a trolly little shit. Like the fanbase. I love him
uncut vault
If only he had a Twitter, dear god he’d get spammed
ruby star
He does have twitter
hollow dock
Yea he does have a twatter
uncut vault
But I mean, even Ion has talked about high elves as a potential allied race, so that’s at least two at blizzard considering it
hollow dock
All it'd really take is giving them like
an arcane based powe-up
and bam
Give em arcane runes.
uncut vault
That or just the same as every allied race aside from void elves, Tats, new skin tones, and cool hair
ruby star
Maybe change the idle anmiations
hollow dock
Give em the hairstyles of other races. :v most of them do fit.
ruby star
Yeah
uncut vault
Oh they do and I hope if they do most of their hair is
If anything I’d prefer something more like hairdye streaks, or leaf options
ruby star
If they gave them Half elves customisations as well as High Elves that would be a little pro too
Ooo yeah more hair styles
hollow dock
Half elves mean they have to actually update Kalec's model though
so they wont do it
ruby star
Ah yea
uncut vault
I am bit biased but I just want the short haired male velf hairstyle on a high elf
That’s the best elf hair in the game
tropic trail
it's really interesting just how much conversation high elves create, especially since it's been talked about for so long
ruby star
yeah! 😄
It's also great to know a WoW Senior Game Designer also wants and supports them! 😄
It feels good
terse patrol
which dev shows interest in helves
terse patrol
ye, seems like it'll happen. But, likely not anytime soon.
People would whine about elf overload.
hollow dock
Never. Oversaturation is a thing blizzard always ignores
hollow dock
because elves are G O R G E O U S
terse patrol
^
All I want with High Elves is that they maybe have a more athletic look, since they'd probably be Second War vets.
Gib that Warcraft 2 facepaint pls.
A different idle animation, etc.
ruby star
High Elves are just pure ❤
Yeah A different idle animation would be great! 😄
and facepaints!
sudden oak
the counter part of high elves would be undead elves? 🤔
ruby star
that would be pretty awesome! 😃 If Horde want them as a counter part then I welcome that 😄
tropic trail
What about instead give horde nathanos undead humans, I've seen a few people ask for them
while I feel that it's even more unlikely that they'll give the human model to horde, I have to admit they'd be pretty cool
ruby star
That would be cool! 😄
sudden oak
in lore terms that would be pretty hard to have tbh
since that was a special ritual made for nathanos
tulip sun
I have seen a lot ask for undead elves
ruby star
Yeah, Undead Elves or Human like Nathons counterparting High Elves would be pretty cool! 😃
uncut vault
I’d expect that if we ever got high elves that either undead elves or forest trolls would be their counterpart
ruby star
Yeah
tulip sun
Dark rangers are already literally everywhere
uncut vault
Cause I don’t expect high elves soon, but I do expect them when they follow up on Alleria’s desire to reclaim Quel’thalas
Assuming of course that wasn’t a useless throwaway line
Which is possible for Blizz
rich apex
I'd expect more backlog races like some form of elf or another if the system continues into 9.0
And hopefully Wildhammers
hollow dock
this system is already doing pretty well IMO. Only blizz candeem it a success or not
ruby star
yess! I'd Love High Elves, Wildhammers,Vkyrul,Jinyu,Mechagnomes, etc
hollow dock
I want chair allied races.
rich apex
Anything's possible
ruby star
Murlocs!
hollow dock
For only $399.
ruby star
xD
rich apex
Just a lot of the backlog races like Broken, Jinyu, etc, would need a lot more work
ruby star
OH yes and Broken would be cool too!
rich apex
So question of if they're being considered for Allied Races, given the whole idea there is to -not- need a massive amount of work with an entirely new model and animation set
But who knows
We're speculating enough for 8.0, much less 9.0 😛
hollow dock
I mean. Allied races are supposed to be easy to alter models so they dont have to make one from the ground up.
ruby star
^
rich apex
Vrykul, Jinyu? Less so.
hollow dock
Now what blizzard deems as 'Easy' and us deem as 'Easy' are 2 seperate things
rich apex
Very true
And on the other hand, Kul'tirans and Vulpera are certainly not just reskins
(even if vulpera do take a lot from goblins)
ruby star
But yeah honestly, there is a lot of races Blizzard could add to both horde and alliance which is great 😄
uncut vault
I mean vulpera are likely reskins if the goblin model we haven’t gotten yet
ruby star
Twitter
rich apex
Ultimately, yes, but I mean reskins like Lightforged, Void Elves, etc
checks
dammit muffinus
tulip sun
We technically already went back and got two races
ruby star
@dense plover Alpha wave went out, you could be lucky 😉
I didn't get into Alpha
feels bad man
meager warren
Maybe peach'll complain to blizz instead of us
terse patrol
eh, I haven't been in an Alpha ever. Doubt I'll ever get one 😛
rich apex
I got into Legion beta, but like two months before launch
meager warren
Nice
tropic trail
wasn't the legion beta huge towards the end tho? I think I got in close to launch but didn't play because it was so close that it would be pointless
rich apex
That is probably when they start stress testing stuff, yes
BFA alpha is currently only like 80% of the launch content so far
strange falcon
missing vol'dun and a bunch of placeholder stuff is still in place,as well as a few buildings not having textures
uncut vault
I expect (and hope for) Warfronts in a build or two
cause based on the bugged stuff, it seems pretty polished, or at least ready to test
tulip sun
It seemed fantastic on that bug
ruby star
Yeah, Warfronts look so damn good! :D
dense plover
still not in to alpha
ruby star
Same Peach
misty blaze
i didnt get one yet 😦
meager warren
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/88bobv/when_youre_trying_to_see_the_horde_for_the_good/
Tell me that Sylvanas is a good warchief after knowing this.
do it
dense plover
tell me the alliance are any better when they are trying to work with slavers
hollow dock
To be fair Horde has had slavery for just as long, if not longer.
meager warren
Peach, i never said the alliance is any better.
They both suck to shit
hollow dock
"For Azeroth"
meager warren
for az'roth
tropic trail
what slavers are alliance working with?
hollow dock
Humans I think do slavery sometimes and the Sethrakk that aren't the evil slaver sethrakk are the slavery guys I think
tropic trail
only time I've heard of human slavery was the orc camps, and that was arguably unavoidable unless they wanted to genocide the orcs instead
uncut vault
"First Arcanist Thalyssra says: I will see to it that the Nightborne end their long isolation as defenders of Azeroth, not conquerers."
bout that
rich apex
It's still not confirmed of Alliance are working with the slaver, fox-people-eating sethrek
Other bit aside that there's no reference to Horde slavery in game except for Rehgar existing as a champion
uncut vault
- theyre kinda pushing the dark iron slavery out, its more of a "ragnaros made them enslave people" now
hollow dock
moira's dark irons=/=Thaurissians
uncut vault
we're recruiting them too, who have also been given a reason for their shitty stuff
reenslaved by the elementals
meager warren
orly
meager warren
she's a good warchief for ransacking a village for no reason?
not like there isn't something else constructive for the horde or anything. Actually, scratch that. Burning down a village and slaughtering children doesn't help the horde at all.
sharp bluff
It is war, there is no nice ending in war
meager warren
ofc not.
but they could have asked first
sharp bluff
asked to kill the village?
sharp bluff
Volume 3 says Sylvanas did try, and the alliance and elfs rejected her
sharp bluff
hold on it is on the retcon thing
We learn that before joining the Horde, Sylvanas reached out to her people in Quel'Thalas as well as the Alliance. Quel'Thalas feared the Forsaken and rejected her, while the ambassadors to the Alliance were killed. In addition, Thrall previously had misgivings about the Forsaken, but now has sympathy for them.
Sylvanas reached out to her former people in Quel'Thalas, asking them for sanctuary. She had given her life to protect them, and she expected something in return for her sacrifice. Yet her request was refused. The blood elves feared the undead and treated them as monsters.
Growing more and more desperate, she sent ambassadors to both the Alliance and the Horde. Her emissaries to the Alliance never returned.
...Thrall invited Sylvanas Windrunner to Orgrimmar. He had sympathy for her followers--the orcs had once been corrupted as well, and that had been a hard legacy to overcome--but he also recognized the strategic value of the Forsaken. (Pg 113)
meager warren
so, in other words, she didn't ask
sharp bluff
I am pretty sure sending ambassadors, and going to Quel'Thalas herself counts as asking
meager warren
she didn't go herself and ask, did she?
sharp bluff
I posted all it had on the site, I don't have the book so I can't speak about more then taht
meager warren
Only cowards send ambassadors
sharp bluff
I'm pretty sure that makes no sense
meager warren
you make no sense
tropic trail
to be fair, if your kingdom was just destroyed by the undead, what would be the first thing you do when you see a band of undead approaching your city?
like ambassadors are good and all, but it's a little hard to send them when everyones under the assumption that they're evil and kill on sight
meager warren
Future Alliance problems solved. win-lose
actually
win-win because then the horde would have somebody less fucked up
terse patrol
tbh
Onyxia might have had a hand in the Forsaken ambassadors going missing, but who knows
That would be interesting tbh, if we discovered that.
tropic trail
also, the ambassador thing is stupid, she killed garithos, and as much as the guy had it coming, he was still a major figure of the alliance, you don't just kill a general and then be like "ok can we be friends?"
meager warren
Yeah, why couldn't the Alliance PC kill Garithos instead
meager warren
i ship it
misty blaze
sylvanas is super sexy i dont want her dying again i was sad after her first few
terse patrol
if only kael’thas didn’t get ruined in BC
tropic trail
all of BC was goofy, illidan should have always been the big bad, but the way they went about it was weird
meager warren
if the only thing you like about Sylvanas is that she's sexy, would you really be saddened to see her go?
i mean, there's always porn
dense plover
very few people are those who only like sylvanas for that
i think she is an interesting character with a fully developed backstory who i am glad is finally in charge
tropic trail
I like sylvanas, I just don't like other characters reactions to sylvanas
also baine hasn't done anytihng ever
meager warren
that's because assholes like Sylvanas get all of Blizz's attention
dense plover
or maybe its because they are just now writing an actual story for the game
meager warren
Cairne had a lot of character but he died trying to stop a tyrant
dense plover
because they just now hired an actual writer
sharp bluff
If you don't like her as warcheif, you don't trust Voljiins words
tropic trail
vol'jinns ghost is going to take her body
meager warren
tbf, Vol'jin was corrupted by the fel in his last moments so his dying words weren't really reliable for seeing his personality
dense plover
the entirety of that sentence is gibberish
sharp bluff
^
meager warren
i mean
sharp bluff
well we are murder hobos...
tropic trail
yeah, insanity isn't really the fels thing
dense plover
void magic does
meager warren
oh yeah because player characters totally interact with the world in a lore-defined way. totally
tropic trail
it makes you power hungry, but that's about it
hollow dock
Not really Edgy. The Loa spoke to him. There's no real way for him to mistake that.
dense plover
^
hollow dock
Him. Of all people. to mistake a Loa speaking to him.
uncut vault
I still think its funny that as of BfA we know that loa can keep trolls they favor from death as much as they wish, so long as bwonsamdi allows it
and they just didnt really care that much
meager warren
why would the loa want someone as warchief who wants to kill everything and turn them into forsaken
uncut vault
for voljin
meager warren
mighty fine thinking, loa.
mighty fine
hollow dock
No one knows Edgy.
uncut vault
I mean for one, Bwonsamdi loves getting souls
hollow dock
^
uncut vault
sylvanas is far and away the best option for that
dense plover
also
meager warren
so in other words, yep.
he wasn't reliable in his last words
dense plover
maybe there will be a problem that is coming
hollow dock
It's that thinking that people think it wasn't an actual loa and was instead N'zoth or the Legion trying to further destabilize the horde. As the theory goes and all.
dense plover
and sylvanas is the only one who would make the awful choice neccesary
because she acts our of neccesity
tropic trail
you have to wonder tho, if sylvanas wasn't in charge, would BfA be happening? or would the world be in relative peace?
meager warren
either way, Vris, my point still stands.
Loa or not, Sylvanas is going to run the Horde into the ground if Blizz writes her and the Horde in a way that makes sense from now on
hollow dock
Well yea
uncut vault
theyd just find another way to make it happen
hollow dock
we're not debating that Edgy
dense plover
gallywix would still happen
uncut vault
BfA is a concept, not a consequence of existing lore
hollow dock
we're telling you that he was reliable in his last words.
dense plover
alliance would still fight for azerite
uncut vault
they molded the lore to fit faction conflict, not the other way around
dense plover
faction conflict
sharp bluff
Well if Sylvanas was not in charge, I see Suarfang as dead, and I guess the belfs in charge?
dense plover
also
tropic trail
but if it was a different leader in charge, they wouldn't be so aggressive about it
dense plover
in what way would sylvanas drive the horde in to the ground?
being aggressive and attacking the alliance isnt a death sentence for the horde
meager warren
by... behaving in the way she's been for the entirety of Legion?
dense plover
war is what makes the horde stay together
meager warren
did you not get the part where she wants to kill everything
dense plover
she doesnt want to kill everythiong
it doesnt say that anywhere
she wants to kill the alliance
meager warren
it doesn't say that, no.
but it's heavily implied
tropic trail
lel i saw that emoji mess up
uncut vault
literally the only goal behind killing humans is so her people can survive
dense plover
^
uncut vault
her goals in legion werent kill everyone, it was give herself and her people eternal life
dense plover
^
meager warren
but she didn't care who she hurt in the process
tropic trail
why can't she just raise the corpses of slain forsaken?
meager warren
or killed, for that matter
uncut vault
cause their bodies still deteriorate
meager warren
so?
uncut vault
thats the issue shes trying to address, her people are slowly dying out
meager warren
raise the corpses of dead humans then.
raise the corpses of dead orcs.
dead trolls.
dead goblins.
etc
dense plover
why would she care how many enemies she kills?
meager warren
there's hundreds of corpses of fresh corpses she could raise
dense plover
she cant raise allies
meager warren
why she got to kill people
dense plover
that isnt acceptable
uncut vault
Cause shes not dumb like garrosh, shes not going to piss off her allies
dense plover
she has to kill people because raising the fallen horde is disgraceful
and she knows that
hollow dock
why aren't there undead demons 🤔 🤔 🤔
dense plover
because she isnt going to drive the horde into the ground
uncut vault
people keep saying its MoP 2.0, but it really isnt. Orcs, trolls, and goblins are fine with it, because unlike Garrosh, Sylvanas isnt targetting them too
dense plover
^
meager warren
oh but raising enemies somehow is?
Sylvanas has proven she's much worse than the Alliance by desecrating any dead
dense plover
except it isnt
hollow dock
Big ol' faction conflict that gets quickly swept aside by some larger force
dense plover
it isnt a made up land
hollow dock
than the factions
dense plover
the conflict is based on a resource we actually want
uncut vault
I more mean in the sense of people keep saying the end of the xpac will be addressing Sylvanas as a united group, like we did garrosh
hollow dock
Because clearly land and new resources wasn't something we want
dense plover
and the war is grounded in fury formed during the broken shore
hollow dock
I'm not saying she's pulling another garrosh
meager warren
Azerite, right?
the literal (or metaphorical; not sure on that point) blood of azeroth?
the conflict is based on destroying the planet?
Just like MoP?
dense plover
they definitely arent going to have another siege of ogrimmar
hollow dock
Im saying this story is enacting Pandaria's storyline again. Faction conflict doesn't matter. Old Gods mess things up.
dense plover
they even make a point in the book to bring up how sylvanas doesnt want to pull a garrosh
she needs to keep the horde on her side
meager warren
she doesn't want to be him but she pretty much is him
dense plover
she isnt isolating the forsaken from the rest of the horde
uncut vault
Im not saying you Vris, Ive just seen people in other discords saying shes garrosh 2.0
hollow dock
But what I am saying is that this is pandaria 2.0 in the idea that this faction conflict doesn't matter at all. It's not going to resolve. It's not going to matter. Azerite is gonna get swept aside like every other broken and overpowered metal in this game. Old Gods rule the conflict once more.
dense plover
we dont know that
uncut vault
azerite will probably be funneled into azeroth by the end of the xpac
meager warren
Kills without discrimination and remorse? Check.
Shows favoritism towards her own race? Check.
Senselessly commits violence and possible treason? Check.
dense plover
and unlike pandaria, we do lose two faction capitals
hollow dock
If somehow, Azshara ISNT connected to N'zoth
and he DOESN'T make an apperance
Ill be surprsed
meager warren
using her power to further her own agenda
dense plover
she isnt being reckless
tropic trail
how can she commit treason when she's the ruler?
hollow dock
Garrosh commited treason when he was the ruler.
dense plover
do you know what treason is?
uncut vault
I mean, Garrosh didnt just show favoritism, hewanted to kill basically all non orcs and goblins
meager warren
yes
dense plover
you arent using the word correctly
uncut vault
Garrosh turned on his own faction, Sylvanas very clearly isnt
dense plover
treason means betraying your faction
meager warren
betraying one's country or party is treason
dense plover
showing favoritism isnt betrayal
meager warren
yep.
that's what i mean, dipshit
dense plover
her wanting to save the forsaken isnt treason
that doesnt meet the definition of treason
treason would be sending the horde into a death scenario and only saving herself when she knew they would die
garrosh did that
a bunch
hollow dock
Let's cool it down a bit guys.
dense plover
sylvanas hasnt done that once
uncut vault
if some people who you rule disagree with your choices = treason, every ruler in history, WoW or otherwise, is a traitor
meager warren
we haven't even gotten into why she cares about the forsaken.
could it be because taking care of them means possibly enhancing her own life in the grand scheme?
uncut vault
or its because we've seen her private thoughts and its because she cares about their hell as much as her own
meager warren
when did we see her private thoughts?
dense plover
caring about yourself isnt treason either
uncut vault
BtS prequel chapter
dense plover
^
uncut vault
"I would have saved them."
dense plover
you clearly know nothing of her character
you make these claims about things she has done
meager warren
"I would have saved them" doesn't say anything
uncut vault
in the context of "I would have used the valkyr to give them eternal life" yes it says a lot
dense plover
its not just one sentence
meager warren
I will, dipshit
dense plover
and the claims?
uncut vault
this is very 🔥
meager warren
yep.
it's sexy
dense plover
you claimed she will drive the horde into the ground without evidence
hollow dock
She has attempted genocide though.
hollow dock
Mhmm. I dont remember thrall slaughtering civvies.
meager warren
well, we're not too knowledgeable on the rules of the Horde/ Alliance so...
I said "possible" treason.
Do you know what that means?
dense plover
tauren almost pushed centaurs to extinction
trolls v elves
orcs vs humans
fucking warcraft 1
and 2
hollow dock
The amani aren't in the horde tho
dense plover
and 3
hollow dock
Orcs did it yea. They nearly succeeded at genocide against 2 races.
meager warren
oh wait, actually...
hollow dock
but hey theyre the good guys.
meager warren
it's treason because she's an elf and certainly showed her loyalty when she started killing elves
dense plover
the horde is literally made of a bunch of races who tried to wipe out others
and are working together
to avoid being wiped out in revenge
hollow dock
clearly theyre the superior faction
dense plover
and maybe succeed at wiping out the enemies
literally the horde is a bunch of bad guys who arent bad from their respective PoV
hollow dock
The enemy being the ancient protectors of the planet they invaded.
As you can tell, I have 0 sympathy for the horde.
sharp bluff
but the trolls are on their side Vris, they aren't fighting them
dense plover
they dont neccesarily deserve sympathy from an outside persepctive
but from the persepective of a horde player, the horde isnt doing anything wrong in their perspective
they are doing what is good for them
not the world
that can be said for the alliance as well
hollow dock
The alliance has kinda done what's good for the world and themselves. :v
dense plover
the difference is the alliance has a less murder-y past
sharp bluff
Alliance still won't send help to the gnomes lol
tropic trail
not sure what the alliance can do for the gnomes, their city is irradiated, other than that I'm pretty sure it's cleared out by now
uncut vault
Yeah its basically a waiting game, slowly filtering out the radiation
hollow dock
Gnome already covered anything that the alliance could have helped with with Operation Gnomeregon.
tropic trail
https://youtu.be/5jcJpcdD5CM this has probably already been posted, but here it is again
I love their accents
terse plank
https://i.imgur.com/wxiFJj5.png
Meeting stones were updated I just noticed
rich apex
oh snap
terse plank
I wonder what the vulpera sound files will sound like
I kind of want them to have australian accents
rich apex
I will be disappointed if no Kul'tiran offers me some chowdah
terse plank
https://i.imgur.com/wjaD1eV.jpg
Some parts of Drustvar have aurora
rich apex
👌
terse plank
also Zandalar is considered within the South Seas and Kul Tiras is in the Great Sea. 🤔
rich apex
it looks cool man
uncut vault
found a weird change on the alpha
camera is no longer vertically centered on your camera at long distances
gets raised up
gives a bit of illusion of larger fov
really disorienting on gnomes
dense plover
could you take a picture or gif?
uncut vault
mid RP but heres live vs alpha with camera zoomed out inside
then outside
the max drawback is actually shorter on alpha, but the camera being higher up means it can go over more
uncut vault
heres a better example
The uncentering when you zoom out is hopefully visible in this.
winged heron
Why do they always have to make the Horde the bad guys?
Because they don’t look human enough so it’s easier aesthetically???
tropic trail
what do people think "horde" means?
winged heron
Touche
tropic trail
but, it's also currently being run by sylvanas who will go to any length to raise the horde into a position of power
winged heron
That’s part of the question too like
She had good motivation going on but what was the imperative that made them turn her into a generic megalomaniac
tropic trail
and, lets be honest, the horde races are generally more warlike so dictators appear more frequently there. The problem is they don't do a good enough job showcasing that not all the horde is bloodthirsty but is instead just following their leaders orders
dictators was a bad word choice
but characters like saurfang show that the horde don't all want to mindlessly slaughter innocents like what's seen in kul tiras, I'm sure baine will have some words to say about the war aswell
winged heron
They trying too hard to be yike imo
incorporating rl cultures but creating these original characters and factions that fans fall in love with THEN swipe all that away with increasingly caricatured writing
Idk not being mad at blizzard perse just disappointed and sad
Fans: hey I like this character’s backstory and I sympathize. Can’t wait for the character development
Writers: TIME FOR MASS MURDERS
lol 😢
Sorry for being negative
tropic trail
cough nightborne cough
winged heron
Yea
tropic trail
void elves are kinda the same way tho, they don't seem to really feel bad about killing their former allies
we'll have to see how it goes when BfA actually launches, maybe the alliance will be rewritten to be just as aggressive as the horde in starting this war
and we'll be gnome bombing troll villages or something
rich apex
tropic trail
after all, if we both do horrible things, then it's ok right?
rich apex
Pretty much, yes
tropic trail
I personally like that one side is actually the bad guys, but I can also understand why that would upset horde players
uncut vault
I mean void elf is a bit more ambiguous, cause we dont know when they left, and they were exiled from Silvermoon unlike the nightborne
tropic trail
true, but if i remember correctly they really only gained traction when they heard alleria used void magic on argus tho
winged heron
Of course I’m not hating on and giving up on bfa
If I did I won’t be lamenting
It’s just this is a recurring thing with writing that could’ve been easily avoided so that’s frustrating
Bfa is beautiful in many ways:)
uncut vault
I mean, of all the people to complain about committing mass murder
Sylvanas seems like the weirdest
winged heron
Like if you have non human that looks promising and ready to be liked probably a massacre is coming up
More the fact that she’s been doing exactly what she rebelled against under arthas
I’m all for being cunning and ruthless
And like the forsaken had great backstory like
A mixture of races become a family in a second life
Aesthetically spooky and shady as hell but not predictably villainous
tropic trail
not predictably villainous? when sylvanas first released nathanos from the LKs control, she ordered him to keep preying on passing by living for a little while. They used to kidnap humans to experiment on
uncut vault
yes, because HP lovecraft totally invented scalies 😛
tropic trail
guys sethrak are totally based on this race called "serpintine" from this old pen and paper game I used to paly
play*
bleh, I've been doing that a lot lately, accidentally switching the a and the l in play
but, with how much blizzard takes from lovecraft, it's not far fetched to say that sethrak might be as well
tropic trail
.
hollow dock
Snake men didnt come from lovecraft :v theyve been all throughout our history gand.
strange falcon
I can confirm ^ but the Lovecraft link is also nice to know
sudden oak
wtf
steel venture
<@&299347348847329281>
frigid crater
@steel venture thank you
steel venture
Np.
fleet jungle
was someone banned
fleet jungle
what happened
steel venture
NSFW material posted to troll.
tranquil steeple
What xanu said, posted in several channels
shrewd lynx
The Zandalari Trolls are breaking my heart. No Paladins, no Monks...
sharp bluff
Probably Paladins just like probably KT druids
Just unconfirmed speculation for both though atm
tulip sun
There are no classes confirmed yet
sharp bluff
Which it does, remember the hostile Zandalari mobs in Pandaria?
The pandas don’t forget
sudden oak
but they do forgive
sudden oak
why lightforged?
sudden oak
then highmountain tauren and nightborne shouldnt be able to be monks either
tulip sun
Highmountain and Nightborne had been training since the end of their zone questlines
That is a hell of a lot longer than lightforged, who literally just got to azeroth
mint arch
yet they all rdy to go to war against the other faction
dense plover
also
zandalari and pandas have a seriously bad history with each other
dont think zandalari want to learn to be monks
like there isnt only the Zul stuff from Pandaria
they also went to war a few thousand years ago
and that loss was a major part of their history
it was the start of the fall of the troll empire
sharp bluff
so ya, basically no Zan monks lol, at least not yet, maybe down the line, but I doubt it
dense plover
i doubt it too
terse patrol
@Khamnin#5947 Pretty sure the Lightforged joined the Alliance because they follow Turalyon, who is hardcore Alliance.
And Velen is Alliancez
.*
tulip sun
Honker...what did I say that you responded with that?
@terse patrol
That seemed really random and for some reason tagged me
terse patrol
ah, misunderstood, since someone commented on them attacking the Horde already
ruby star
April fools tomorrow betcha Blizzard will make an april fools thing for allied races
sharp bluff
droggbar and yetis lol
terse patrol
likely
Murlocs and Drogbar
Murlocs for Alliance, Gnolls for Horde
tbh, no joke
I want playable gnolls
Yip yip
sharp bluff
I want murlocs Honk, so I can't judge you
terse patrol
One of the main characters of Warcraft Traveler is a gnoll
rich apex
Fortunately, they already did a player ogre joke years ago
Because the whining if they did that again and people took it seriously
tulip sun
They did consider ogres once, right?
rich apex
Supposedly
Or, rather, to some unspecified degree in an unspecific stage of development before they settled on goblins
Like that interview Wowhead just posted
Saying they considered pandas for Alliance in TBC
Emphasizing that they've surely -considered- a great many things
But people like to wave the ogre one around, as if they'd made the player model and everything and tossed it out for no reason
meager warren
Some people take everything seriously so even if they make an April fool's joke like that, som e people will be pissed
strange falcon
but it would be funny
meager warren
Agreed
strange falcon
sudden oak
and what if the april fools are sethrak and vulpera allied race and we believe we are not going to get them but its just blizzard trolling us and we do get them 🤔
strange falcon
🤔 they could pull that card since ion is angry that ppl cant get surprised bcuz datamining
but imo not likely
rich apex
TFW people get angry because datamines ruin the surprise, after they intentionally go looking at datamine posts
rich apex
Exactly
Blizz literally does not need a marketing campaign anymore
Just have a Blizzcon announcement
terse patrol
A hype machine that keeps people interested all the way up ‘til launch
terse patrol
^
rich apex
And considering the Bnet store literally broke on pre order day
ruby star
I wouldn't be surprised if High Elves get put on april fools, feels bad man
rich apex
ruby star
but then if they get put on April fools it might mean they will happen xD LIke Pandarens lol
tulip torrent
i love reading wow news on april's fools
cant wait for tomorrow
for sure we going to get new patch notes
ruby star
yeaah, it's great as sometimes they actually become true xD
distant folio
@hollow dock What? Wasnt the pandaren april fools years before MoP,
hollow dock
Yea. And the devs worked on Pandaria during cataclysm m8
Like the development for the next expansion starts as soon as the latest one drops to live.
spiral willow
It was a joke back in Warcraft III though.
hollow dock
It wasn't tho. Chen was never put in as a joke. He was apart of the campaign.
spiral willow
The pandaren in general.
hollow dock
Chen is a pandaren. He wasn't a joke. The pandaren a joke tho.
That doesn't make sense to me
spiral willow
Oh no no. Pan asked if it was a joke years before mists?
shrewd lynx
The April Fools joke wasn't about Pandaren. It was about Pandaren Express food delivery from in-game orders. It was mocking EQ2's Pizza ordering feature and playing off "Panda Express" - the Chinese food chain.
spiral willow
And the Warcraft III page on it is still up
hollow dock
No the april fools patch before pandaria launched
hollow dock
That had the pandaren on there as a 'laugh' but the devs never informed the CMs that they actually made that a thing
So very awkward break room conversation after that one
spiral willow
I remember some of these “jokes” not being that terrible of ideas.
hollow dock
yea like removing Warrior's charge.
completely. It's just gone. that's how you balancePVP
distant folio
@hollow dock do you have any source about "the CMs" not knowing what "the devs" were doing? or is it just speculation? for all we know it could've been intentional
hollow dock
Bellular did a video on pandaria as a looking back and he mentioned that the CMs, community managers which are the ones that do the april fools patches, weren't informed of what the devs, the game development team, were doing at the time of them doing it.
clever ember
Apparently according to a recent interview pandas were suppose to come out in BC as the alliance race but it was changed to draenie.
steel venture
It wasn't very "recent" of an interview.
This is a known fact for quite a while now.
There was even an alpha-model for them.
clever ember
steel venture
Yes, that interview is new.
The information isn't though, on Pandaren.
We've known they were planned for BC for ages.
Similarly to how Ogres were planned for Cataclysm, but nixxed out for Goblins instead.
clever ember
I didn’t know that they were meant for alliance. So it was new info to me. 🤷🏼♀️
rich apex
^
tropic trail
so what's the april fools prank gonna be this year boys and girls?
what will blizzard break our hearts with?
ruby star
High Elves probably xD feels bad man
tropic trail
I think there would be too big of a backlash if they did that
ruby star
yup
tropic trail
there's a pretty large chunk of the community that wants them, and blzzard would be alienating them if they did
ruby star
but they could do it like pandas so it actually happens xD and Yup! 😄 including me! and yeah they would xD