G'huun is an experiment Gandem
#beta-ptr-spoilers
hollow dock
dense plover
but thats because the titan machines refer to it as such
because it is an experiment gone wrong
plain vigil
as wells as after cutscenes
hollow dock
It is not a 'natural' old god.
dense plover
and if let out, could become one
hollow dock
It looks and talks like one
dense plover
but its trapped inside uldir
hollow dock
So the world calls it that.
dense plover
it is not an old god like the other 4
its like comparing a goose and a duck
if all 4 old gods are geese
plain vigil
ik the info on ghuun XD i dont think he's a true old god, but blizz is deff open to having a 5th...
dense plover
ghuun is a duck
hollow dock
But g'huun is an experiment created by the titan keepers. The reason is theorized by peach and I to devour the Old Gods.
but they aren't Gandem
rustic mountain
I mean I guess blizzard could just create a new one if they really wanted to as a game exclusive but they wouldn’t be able to connect it to the lore like the others so I feel it would kinda be pointless to do that 🤷♂️
dense plover
yeah
clever ember
G’huun is a manufactured old god. He isn’t an original one. The titans tried to make one but the experiment went wrong.
dense plover
our reason is speculation
hollow dock
they've stated -SO MANY TIMES- in HARD CANON that there is only 4
dense plover
but the backstory is canon fact
we know there were 4
ghuun was not natural
titans made it
dense plover
my theory is that it was made to eat the old gods because they couldnt remove them all at once
and ghuun is just a mouth and stomach
but the old god flesh corrupted it
so they locked it away
plain vigil
okay but peach,. our most reent convo wasnt about the fucking 5th old god, we're talking about the cycle of the universe
hollow dock
and through that, supposedly, it started to develop like an old god.
rustic mountain
I think we will probably see N’Zoth at the end of the exp since he has influence on Azshara’s model as her crown-like piece
dense plover
there is no 5th old god
hollow dock
Oh we are 100% seeing him this expansion. There's no doubts in any of our minds.
dense plover
there is no conversation to have
dense plover
we know for a fact there are only 4
hollow dock
In which peach all of this started because he said the Cosmology map
plain vigil
reread my statement
hollow dock
was an exact cycle of how the WoW universe works
clever ember
N’Zoth is probably going to be the big bad of this xpac
dense plover
read mine
stray anchor
Their conversation actually involved suggesting that the highest power is "divine power" and that Kiljaede and Archimonde wanted to be divine.
plain vigil
-_-
dense plover
no conversation neccesary
hollow dock
Yea as Velador said peach
dense plover
discussing what we know as fact
is a waste of time
fact
there were 4 old gods
fact
yshaarj is dead
fact
plain vigil
here i'll link it for you "okay but peach,. our most reent convo wasnt about the fucking 5th old god, we're talking about the cycle of the universe" stop derailing the convo as an attempt to shut me down
dense plover
now there are only 3 old gods
hollow dock
Gandem states that the Legion, Archimonde and Kil'jaeden and all that is because they wanted divine power @dense plover
rustic mountain
Which I’m still lowkey salty that Azshara isn’t the big bad of the exp but is most likely only the guldan 😭
jovial coral
Are the naaru the light version of old gods
plain vigil
peach
dense plover
gandem
plain vigil
you are wrong to call me speculating worng
hollow dock
No they aren't Brown.
dense plover
but you arent speculating
plain vigil
dont trash peoples ideas becaus you dont thinmk they're true
hollow dock
You stated it as hard fact.
plain vigil
i'm SPECULATING
dense plover
start statements with "i think" or "what if"
hollow dock
Backed up by the idea that the cosmology map
is a true cycle of how the universe works
plain vigil
the fucking cosmology map is the cycle of the universe
hollow dock
There is 100% no basis to that claim Gandem other than your INTERPRETATION
plain vigil
you guys pay too attention on hard lore, you dont seem to pay attention to the stories in game
hollow dock
The stories in game are representations of the hard lore
stray anchor
Quoting a Blizz guy I know, regarding that cosmology map "It's a cool picture, doesn't totally make sense but it's pretty cool"
rustic mountain
But...the game gets it stuff from the lore
plain vigil
but it's representative of something
rustic mountain
It’s prob best to just say you’re sorry for your wording and how it looked like you were stating it as facts rather than speculation. Just say you are wrong and move on
plain vigil
the way it's made out makes no sense unless you se it like a cycle
hollow dock
We've already stated 1 possibility that's mostl ikely
the powers of the universe and their polar opposites.
stray anchor
Representative but not hard evidence
hollow dock
Light to Shadow. Death to life. Order to Chaos.
plain vigil
if that were true vris you could still swap them soi their polar opposites made sense
hollow dock
Yes that's how polar opposites work. If shadow was in lights place and vice versa, it'd still be shadow vs light
plain vigil
order and chaos could have easily been flipped so arcane was next to light and chaos was next to void...
but it's set up for a reason
hollow dock
It may very well, but we -Dont know-
What we -do- know is that Blizzard opperates on 'Rule of Cool' for their art
if its 'cool' they do it
plain vigil
Nothin -> creation -> life -> divine intervention ->chaos/war -> death -> nothingness ->repeate
hollow dock
That's 1 possibility
but it isn't what it is as a fact
Again, as I'll state again, blizzard operates on 'Rule of Cool'
plain vigil
okay so if it is 1 possibility, stop telling me that its wronmg. cause if it's possible, it's not necisarrily wrong
hollow dock
You're wrong for statiing its fact
rustic mountain
Yeah like that random ass pearl in vash’ir everyone thought had a influence from the old gods with the puzzle box. When a blizz person came out and said it was just a cool environmental detail they added in lol
stray anchor
Rule of cool
plain vigil
here's how speculation goes in other discords "i think this" response" idk man i think this" here's how it goes here "i think this" "no man you're wrong"
stray anchor
You said
hollow dock
You stated 'The cosmology map is 100% fact to be the cycle of the universe'
stray anchor
power is divine
hollow dock
That's not speculation.
cinder knoll
+1
stray anchor
+1
hollow dock
What me and Peach speculate about G'huuns reason for creation is speculation. We both believe it was created to devour the Old Gods. A parasite to devour parasites if you will.
plain vigil
btw "There’s a fifth old god shown in chronicle prove me wrong
N’zoth has a twin prove me wrong" was kinda a meme joke and you took it seriously
hollow dock
Yet you tried to peddle it as fact.
plain vigil
I speak in absolutes, i'm a sith lord, what can i say?
cinder knoll
or you expect everyone to know that and then complain if they dont?
rustic mountain
You’re a what now.
hollow dock
Star wars meme, Bowtye
rustic mountain
Oh I know, I just don’t know why it’s being mentioned or have to do with WoW lol
sharp bluff
plain vigil
i'm not complaining about that, i'm complaining that it's always the same two people that tell me i'm 100% no matter what wrong. yes i should speak in absolutes, it's just how i talk, i was wrong in that, but you cant get mad at me for speaking absolutes when you litterally tell me i'm 100% wrong
and @cinder knoll the "prove me wrong " stand guy is a current meme. i assumed people on the internet kept up with that stuff, apparently not
hollow dock
We're not mad
stray anchor
Well, if you speak in absolutes, you're either 100% right or wrong, no?
hollow dock
^
cinder knoll
you cant keep up with everything on the internet...
plain vigil
it's a current meme though XD it's all over reddit
hollow dock
I dont use reddit.
rustic mountain
You should never speak in absolutes that shit gets you in trouble, especially in the workplace
dense plover
speaking in absolutes isnt a meme on reddit
the saying is "only siths speak in absolutes"
hollow dock
the 'Prove me wrong' is Peach.
hollow dock
np
dense plover
by speacking in absolutes, you go from speculation to stating as fact
plain vigil
peach i've said my peace, lets move on. you can scroll up if you care to see it
dense plover
you need to use "i think" or "i believe" or "what if" or "maybe ..."
hollow dock
I theorize that Uuna is the little lamb as noted from the Puzzle Box of Yogg-saron.
rustic mountain
Unless you’re talking about Vulpera then you can you absolutes... lol jk
plain vigil
is a mod in the vulpera hype channel... @rustic mountain
hollow dock
That the 'dark woods' is that area Uuna is in.
I hope the Vulpera is a true thing, but then they go alliance.
dense plover
dont think they would go alliance
plain vigil
okay mind blowing time, did you know illidad's fate at the end of legion could have been predicted...
dense plover
considering alliance murder them without any forethought
rustic mountain
No more like I got completely banned for stating my opinion on why I think Vulpera will be an allied race or new race on the main WoW Discord lmao
dense plover
they work with a faction of the sethrakk
hollow dock
is that a theory of yours Gandem
dense plover
so tat would be more likely
hollow dock
or a fact
hollow dock
How would the force that is forsaken by the light learn about the Light's prophecy?
cinder knoll
well, it was Illidans fina goal, what he wanted to get... so ye, it kind of was his fate unless he wouldnt get to that point... its easier to say it was a fate when you are already in that point...
hollow dock
Sargeras can't see the future.
dense plover
^
hollow dock
Otherwise we woulda lost a long time ago
unless he has Thanos' mindset of wanting to lose.
plain vigil
In Norse mythology, Veðrfölnir (Old Norse "storm pale,"[1] "wind bleached",[2] or "wind-witherer"[3]) is a hawk sitting between the eyes of an unnamed eagle that is perched on top of the world tree Yggdrasil. Veðrfölnir is sometimes modernly anglicized as Vedrfolnir, Vedfolnir or Vethrfolnir. Illidan stormrage... Stormrage And then i SPECULATE that sargeras is the unnamed eagle...
rustic mountain
I think Vulpera might be for both horde and alliance. Just because they are on the horde continent does not mean they automatically go with the horde. I mean Nightfallen are Kaldorei and Tyrande denied them because of what they became, but the horde accepted them so then the nightfallen joined horde rather than their own people again
plain vigil
the hawk and eagle's job is to watch over the gods
rustic mountain
That’s always what I use when people think Vulpera will go straight for the horde at least
rustic mountain
They head too big
plain vigil
@rustic mountain i used to think the same, but it seems the alliance are working with the non evil sethrak when they come over
hollow dock
now that is an interesting theory, my only issue with it is that 'Pale, bleached, witherer' are not at all similar to 'Rage'
dense plover
^
plain vigil
agreed
dense plover
coincidences most likely
hollow dock
They both contain the word Storm this is true.
terse patrol
dense plover
there are so many mythologies, that you are bound to find a coincidence in one of them
hollow dock
yea. I actually saw a real example of it with an animator I follow.
terse patrol
i will post that pic every time someone says Sethrak cant wear helmets
plain vigil
Hakkar also seems to be the combination of the serpent at the bottom of yydrassyl and two compleatly seperated mesoamerican gods. but that's my speculation
hollow dock
A character she created is eerily similar to a character she'd never heard of.
and when she saw the character in action, she saw all the similarities and was kinda creeped out at it.
cinder knoll
calling it a day, cya guys 😃
rustic mountain
I mean they can wear helmets it’s just not fit to them lol, there’s also the issue of reptiles not having gender differences so Sethrak males and females look the same so far unless blizz distinctly puts boobs on the snake haha
stray anchor
Vris similarity to what animation?
plain vigil
i think elune may be rastikan, the squrriel as she is, or rather was for a while the only messenger between the huminoid races, and titans.
hollow dock
The animator behind Gltichtale made a character very similar to a character that the creator of Homestuck made. Despite her having never heard of Homestuck.
plain vigil
nah bowie, earings and faces, and patterns can be adjusted
terse patrol
@rustic mountain they just need to make the female Sethrak bigger than the males, and make the males more colorful.
stray anchor
@rustic mountain Well my mom's never told me that fish have boobs and there you have the naga
rustic mountain
Naga are not fish though
stray anchor
I'm kidding kidding
terse patrol
rustic mountain
The ones from pandaria
hollow dock
Well we wouldn't know if they don't give us snitties Bowtye
stray anchor
@terse patrol Totally well protected!
hollow dock
They could be a full androgynous race like the Arakkoa are.
and the ones from Pandaria are lizard people.
rustic mountain
That would be awesome but the community would complain that female Sethrak have no boobs tbh
terse patrol
fuck’em
stray anchor
Snake milk...
hollow dock
Snitties bois
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/421048457193717770/424270685594976257/473dbec51d739615.png also thsi
stray anchor
snits
rustic mountain
Is that a real model?
hollow dock
Yes
rustic mountain
Or did someone add a breastplate on
hollow dock
No that is a model you can find in the alpha
broken kraken
anyone know if hunters get more stable slots in beta?
broken kraken
x__x
rustic mountain
Oh well then maybe their is a gender variation
hollow dock
it can be slight and still be rather androgynous. Like the arakkoa are.
rustic mountain
Where her tail at tho
terse patrol
Behind her
hollow dock
Flat out behind her
terse patrol
Shes t-posed
broken kraken
are hunter pets able to change specs in alpha/beta at least or are they forced to one spec?
hollow dock
look at the 'tits' pic. You can see a bit of the tail
rustic mountain
Oh gotcha
hollow dock
Theyre forced into one spec now Artic
terse patrol
PLAYABLE SETHRAK WHEN REEEE
plain vigil
so vris , i specculate that HAkkar is the combination between Quetzalcoatl, the Cadejo, and Níðhöggr (although i could see Níðhöggr fitting better with Y'sheraj) And regarding the Cadejo, Hakkar is the death part, and Elune is the life part, where they're constantly at battle, HAkkar trying to kill us while Elune protects us.
rustic mountain
If they get underwear then you can get hyped until then just admire the models from afar lol
hollow dock
That is a nice theory, but Elune and Hakkar aren't at all related. Or fighting each other.
broken kraken
wonder what their reasoning is for that. seems kinda dumb, so rather than give hunters more stable slots they force pets to be a certain spec now so hunters are forced to delete their pets
plain vigil
hey guys... if you're that interested in Sethrak and vulpera, the vulpera hype caravan is open for business, wowhead even acknowledges it
hollow dock
Hakkar just wants to devour blood. He cares not for us.
Elune just seems to care about the Night elves.
rustic mountain
Vulpera got underwear so they are most likely gonna become a new playable allied race somewhere in the exp
plain vigil
hakkar comes at the blood moon, thus when elunes light is compleatly blocked from us.
so there is a duality there... posibly
hollow dock
that is a possibiliy, but I think the blood moon is just hte 'blood' part.
broken kraken
makes me wonder if vulpera are the offspring of goblin + pandaren
plain vigil
i will say about sethrak, they cannot wear player amor atm
hollow dock
Since he doesn't attack the Elves. Ever. He doesn't seem to care at all about the rest of the world.
plain vigil
sethrak.. .whoops
rustic mountain
Well goblins do talk about their big rockets so I guess it would be possible
terse patrol
Nor could Nightborne @plain vigil
plain vigil
correct
terse patrol
But they made a new model for player use
rustic mountain
Sethrak’s head model is too big as of now for armor to fit on it without serious clipping issues
plain vigil
but nightborne are different, as they were made before allied races became a thing
"The bloodthirsty god demanded souls be sacrificed to him daily. He dreamed of gaining access to the physical world so he could devour the blood of ** all mortal creatures**. In time the Gurubashi realized what kind of creature they had courted with — and turned against him. The strongest tribes rose up against Hakkar and his loyal priests — the Atal'ai." @hollow dock
broken kraken
but kultiran humans wont have armor clip? or they will too?
rustic mountain
Hopefully by the time the exp is ready clipping issues will be fixed we got a couple months though
hollow dock
Yea. He doesn't care about elune. He just wants to feed.
rustic mountain
Of course I say that and allied races that are in game have horrible clipping
hollow dock
Elune is not protecting us specifically from him, she protects her subjects.
All races will have clipping armor Artic
It's an unforunate side effect of having fluid animations
broken kraken
ahh okay
plain vigil
Elune is one of the few true deities in the world,[4] and the most powerful Eternal. In the world's infancy, she** protected all living things** and allowed them the chance to grow and thrive. Whenever she found violence, she would cast her calming influence across the land so that peace and healing might be given another chance to thrive. The cadejo is kill everything vs protect everything. they don't necisarrily have to be specifically elune vs hakkar, as the cadejo is it's self 1 being. kinda like yin yang.
hollow dock
Yes. They're not related. That's my only issue with the theory is it pushes them to be related.
plain vigil
so Basically consume all things vs protect all things
i think really the only thing that CAN connect them is the moon cycles so i agree
hollow dock
The scourge want to kill all the living. Are they suddenly an enemy of elune and is elune now defending us against the undead? 🤔
plain vigil
but the scourge are not a single diety.
and hakkar was pulled straight from mesoamerican culture, which is where i'm getting the idea that he may be combined with cadejo, but again, speculating
rustic mountain
Gandem btw not to poke you or anything just to help educate the way of spelling it’s necessarily
hollow dock
I mean. hakkar is almost solely inspired by Quetzal for design.
hollow dock
It's a nice theory, I just don't really buy into it much
rustic mountain
No worries at all, it’s a difficult word to remember the spelling I just wanted to show you how its correctly spelled so you might remember for future use 😃
plain vigil
XD kk
stray anchor
Quetzalcoatl?
finite wagon
probably not the dinosaur, but the mayan (or aztec?) deity :P not sure if it had the same name as the dinosaur and doing a 10-second googling is too much effort for me ;)
stray anchor
It's aztec yeah
I guess I just wanted to point out that Quetzal is an actual living turquoise bird with long tail feathers, while Quetzalcoatl was the name of the deity. The coatl part of the name means snake.
finite wagon
ahh, you learn something new everyday ^^
hollow dock
I call it quetzal because I can never spell its full name
ruby star
Have you guys seen the Warfront gameplay??
steel venture
Actually the deity literally exists in litherally all mesoamerican cultures so it's easier to say "Feathered Serpent"
ruby star
Towellliee managed to get into a Warfront yesterday but Blizz fixed it now I think (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/243932715)
looks interesting 😄
From what I've seen in that gameplay so far, i am hooked
meager warren
Is Hakkar the blood lord the same person as Hakkar the Houndmaster?
uncut vault
No, Metzen just stole the name from knaak
meager warren
oh.
i'll put away my fanfic pen then
ruby star
If you go onto videos He has like 4 parts 😄
tulip sun
Oh
I wish he'd take the time to look at the NPCs in the first part 😮
I am weird and like to know that stuff lol
I think that was Eitrigg?
ruby star
Yeah, but it does look pretty damn cool 😄 I'm betting Warfronts will be out next major alpha patch and yep
tulip sun
War Grunts, I saw some jungle trolls then some warbraves
ruby star
In the barracks theres
Train Grunts, Train Axe Throwers,Train Shaman and Train wolf riders
But you can capture these areas which have Kodo rider bits
then a like elemental area were if you capture it you can recruit witch doctors etc
meager warren
coot
tulip sun
So pretty much only orcs, tauren from mulgore and orcs rn?
ruby star
Trolls as well
ruby star
ahah okay xD and yeah same!
tulip sun
Goblins, Huojin...allied races.
ruby star
but so far I really like how it looks
meager warren
What if we got Trolls, Bruhl, Orcs, and .... idk what else
meager warren
hi, peach! /wave
dense plover
warfronts the week after
ruby star
Yeah
tulip sun
I want meh other races 😛
ruby star
I wouldn't be surprised if they add other races to them hopefully! 😄
it's a shame we didn't get to see the whole warfront as in the part 4, Blizzard fixed it xD
meager warren
i wonder if we're going to finally get taunka tauren at some point....
lol nah
ruby star
I think Warcraft 3 music played in the Warfront (could be wrong)
tulip sun
Tauren warriors
Instead of warbraves
Interesting
but I defiantly hope to see all races with at least one troop type
ruby star
yeah! I'm sure they will probably expand on it! 😄 It honestly looks pretty fun
For those who won't click the link, this is what the barracks recruit bit looks like LD
😄 *
meager warren
no bruhl?
feelsbadman
tulip sun
Where are the tauren warriors coming from?
There is no recruitment option for them or anything
uncut vault
God I hate when people who don’t care about lore or visuals test stuff, they never stop and look st anything
tulip sun
^^^^
OH MY GOD
When he calls the like heads of bases Mekkatoque and Muradin constantly...
Not all dwarves are the same
dense plover
he is one of the worst about it
why test beta if you dont care about beta or testing
if you just want views, go play fortnite
ruby star
Yeah I don't really watch him either, I heard about him doing Warfront stuff through chat in Asmongolds stream
ruby star
Yeah, but the gameplay was worth watching anyway
ruby star
Yeah
tulip sun
Even dark iron/Wildhammer
There is a named wildhammer dwarf, like with the last name wildhammer
Never heard of her before
ruby star
Yeah
ruby star
I'm sure they will add diversity though 😄
meager warren
there's more than one wildhammer dwarf, i think
ruby star
Yaeh
tulip sun
I couldn't read her first name
meager warren
wat
ruby star
Edgy, There was a Female Wildhammer Dwarf called 'Something' Wildhammer
Yeah I didn't look at her first name
I probably should of
ruby star
Yeah I'll try rewatch it to see
tulip sun
He doesn't stick around long enough for my to see it well
But in part 3 the friendly leader turns to Rokhan
o.o
Did anyone try doing this on alliance?
ruby star
yeah
dense plover
PAX is a video game expo
ruby star
^
ruby star
Hope we get an invite to the next big wave of alpha invites, wouldn't be surprised
if they get sent out when Warfronts officially come out on alpha
ruby star
Yeah, I hope I get in to! 😄 I wish you good luck Peach! Hopefully you';ll get in! you deserve it
dense plover
the only people who deserve it are those who dont care about it
honestly, they really should invite people who have shown that they can give useful feedback
heavy cairn
but how can they know that someone can give useful feedback without them ever being invited?
dense plover
ive given a bunch of bug reports, suggestions, i even made a forum post with warlock/general leveling feedback and bugs during the 7.3.5 ptr
heavy cairn
ah, PTR, bug reports. I see
dense plover
pter
live
they have a bug and suggestion thing in game
i use it all of the time
heavy cairn
I haven't seen too many bugs on live, didn't know there was a suggestion thing
I did report the few bugs I saw when I was on legion beta
and I'm reporting / suggesting things on bfa alpha
dense plover
there are lots of bugs in old zones
heavy cairn
there's a handy tool that pops up at the end of every quest and encounter in alpha
dense plover
in legion, not many
hollow dock
Those rewrites are interesting. Also so glad that Med'an is truly erased from the lore.
heavy cairn
probably, given it's labelled "public test feedback" or something
dense plover
yeah but there are lots of old bugs
some of them are really bad
have been reported a bunch
and still arent fixed
for example
completing dread wastes is currently impossible
theres a story quest that is bugged
so you cant get pandaren loremaster
same with burning steppes
heavy cairn
how early on is said story quest?
hollow dock
God damn it blizzard. Forst grizzly hills was bugged and now this?
dense plover
40-50% of the way in
heavy cairn
I have one character that may be pretty far in dread wastes. so hopefully I can get loremaster
dense plover
the final quest for burning steppes
heavy cairn
I got burning steppes before 7.3.5 luckily, though dunno if the bug would apply to horde (assuming you are talking about alliance given below message)
dense plover
and redridge has bugged stealth for one of the last quests
but you can sort of brute force that one
probably
ruby star
I remember being given a Zone storyline completion achievement on Live, before I even completed the zones storyline (THe little sub story bits on the achievement) I reported that when I encountered it (didn't complete that zone before on any other characters)
dense plover
yeah
ran into that too
theres two or three zones where that is the case
southern barrens is one i think
ive reported those two
ruby star
yeah
dense plover
there are some signposts in stonetalon that are half glitched into the ground that i reported
hollow dock
I bet most of these do get fixed in BFA.
heavy cairn
ah, some zone "chapters" are completed by killing a mob, not completing the quest
dense plover
they need to be fixed now
dense plover
main storylines for loremaster achievements shouldnt remain broken for this long
its not okay
and GMs cant do anything about it
hollow dock
I mean. There was a guy on reddit who cant earn it even before this
In grizzly hills a quest bugged out. Hes done every other quest in the game except the one he cant attain.
dense plover
if i was allowed to, i would ask one of the wow guys in this channel to give the devs my list of completely broken quests
theres not that many
hollow dock
And this was back in like Pandaria I think
dense plover
but they are bad
grizzly hills is fixed now
and if it is bugged for just them, thats what a ticket CAN fix
heavy cairn
well I'm going to have to go on my hunter who participated in pandaria and hopefully complete dread wastes
if not, I'll definitely be reporting that bug
dense plover
its when you need to get Chen's second relative
you go into a brew area with the klaxxi
and you have to walk around the beams of liquid
you cant walk around the edge ones
the hitbox is broken
and so you cant get through
heavy cairn
ah, I remember that quest area vaguely. dunno if I did it on my hunter though
dense plover
maybe they stealth fixed it
but usually those changes are in quest logs
but still
this is exactly why i want alpha access
ruby star
^
dense plover
i want to make sure none of the shit is broken like some of these quests are
theres some seriously broken shit on live that isnt being fixed unfortunately
and i have no one to get to fix it
since i have no blizzard contacts
if i did, i wouldnt even ask for alpha first
the first thing i would do
if give them the list of completely broken quests
heavy cairn
I enjoy the content on alpha but I honestly was doing it more for reporting stuff. if not, I probably wouldn't be doing side storylines that would be giving me no permanent reward.
hollow dock
Id say maybe be a bit patient? Blizz has broken stuff in the game simce vanilla. And Ive been taking my first steps into programming. I can understand their hesitation to fix old systems. Especially when they introduce a new one.
dense plover
i would normally agree vris
but these quests stop you from completing zone storylines
and make getting certain achievements completely impossible
hollow dock
But it doesmt stop you from playing.
heavy cairn
the problem is, leaving that sort of thing unfixed is not good even from a programming sense
dense plover
it kind of does though
heavy cairn
another bug could happen that also affects that zone
heavy cairn
then you'd have two bugs, and you might think it's another cause but it's really two causes
dense plover
^
heavy cairn
better to fix a bug while it's isolated
dense plover
yep
hollow dock
The boat glitch, that stops you from playing. The Pet disease carrying stopped you grom playing.
hollow dock
Dont you remember? The boat would always phase into the wrong locations and sometimes end up killing you?
heavy cairn
which boat?
dense plover
but its just upsetting because these major bugs are ignored, while things like the music in azshara being mixed up with highmountain in three places was fixed
sure they are technically different things
but they spent time on one and not the other
hollow dock
Probably because it was simple.
Blizzard is a company. Gotta make the workers as efficient as possible.
dense plover
in my opinion, bugfix priority should rely on severity of the bug, not the inverse of difficulty to fix
hollow dock
IMO, it should be dictated on difficulty to fix. Especially on a game as large as warcraft.
Otherwise we'd not see bug fices at all until they fix the hair clipping.
Fixes*
hollow dock
But they do eventually get fixed peach.
hollow dock
Just not at the speed you want.
dense plover
some bugs are still around from warlords
hollow dock
There are bugs in the game from Vanilla still.
hollow dock
Some of them are just to deeply ingrained to properly fix.
I can give a good wager. I wrote up a program, maybe like 500 or so lines, that solves math problems.
heavy cairn
you're going against what you were arguing earlier. earlier you said that bugs should be delayed, but now you're saying that delaying bugs can cause them to become too ingrained
hollow dock
I did say bugs like these should get delayed. But things from Vanilla are simply to deeply ingrained. Thats the reality of coding.
dense plover
thats not though
when you have a game this old
taking the time to rewrite that old code can be extremely beneficial
they did that with the render code at the start of legion
and the game runs much better
hollow dock
But its time consuming and costs money. Money you can spend on other systems that will get you more value.
dense plover
money that could be spent fixing bugs instead of hiring people to deal with bug reports
money that you might save on servers if the code is more efficient
hollow dock
Most bug reports are false positive bugs.
dense plover
i disagree
hollow dock
You need people to shift through them. Unless you want the devs to get those directly
dense plover
it might be a lot
hollow dock
Which means longer development time
dense plover
having bug fixes being read through by others makes sense
but they could speed up the process by tagging people who have given good bug reports so that their reports are read more often
their process is clearly flawed
the fact that several MAJOR bugs are still present is a problem
blizzard is a huge company
they can afford to hire people to fix things like this
without any major change to their profits
hollow dock
You can talk to a guy called Yandere Dev. He hamdles all bug reports directly and he'll tell ya. The emails he gets are mostly junk not meant for that particular email.
A person is smart but people are dumb herds.
dense plover
sure
but ive given several major bug reports
over the course of a few months
none of them have been fixed
hollow dock
Yes you have. In a sea of several million.
ruby star
^
hollow dock
While theyre focused on developing a new expansion that quite possibly has those fixes anyways
dense plover
ive also opened tickets because its a quest completion issue
backport the fixes then
leaving bugs in for 6 months in a live game is not acceptable
heavy cairn
the thing is--achievements might not stop someone from playing the game.
HOWEVER, one of the major pitches for 7.3.5 and allied races = being able to complete storylines. achievements represent this completion.
hollow dock
So then 0 games are ever acceptable m8
heavy cairn
being unable to complete storylines means being unable to fully play the main feature of 7.3.5
hollow dock
And the atorylines you need to complete
dense plover
if you know about a bug and are trying to fix it
hollow dock
ARENT THE BUGGED ONES
dense plover
yes they are
heavy cairn
players might be interested in side storylines.
it's still a feature of 7.3.5
they scale, yes?
hollow dock
They scale to 60.
heavy cairn
^
dense plover
redridge can still be brute forced
but some of them cant
some of them are bugged independent of your level
dread wastes is bugged completely
hollow dock
And those clearly are not major tier bugs from Blizzards pov. Or theyre already being fixed in BFA and will be applied then.
dense plover
major bugs?
meager warren
what are ya'll arguing about this time
dense plover
you cant complete pandaren loremaster
you cant get the lorewalker title
you cant finish the story of dread wastes
hollow dock
Again, not something major to blizzard
dense plover
as a result, several transmogs are also locked
a reputation and its rewards are locked
and several achievements are impossible
hollow dock
Klaxxi rep can be grounded out without completeling dread wastes.
dense plover
during a content drought, being unable to access old content is a mistake
heavy cairn
yea klaxxi dailies are available really early
dense plover
i dont know why you are arguing for leaving broken quest bugs there until BfA comes out
some of them
some of them are locked behind the end
heavy cairn
I am not arguing for broken quests just saying that :)
hollow dock
Because thats clearly what blizzard is doing and moaning about it in discord that maybe a blizz employee checks wont accomplish much?
dense plover
thats not where this comes from
heavy cairn
how is this suddenly about moaning in discord?
dense plover
this comes from the fact that i want to help test things so this kind of shit doesnt happen
heavy cairn
arguing about the location of an argument does not affect the original argument's validity
dense plover
but there are people who are in beta
who dont give any fucks
and are wasting blizzard's time
they should have a dedicated group of people who will give feedback, and report bugs
thats about 70% of the alpha population
hollow dock
Yes because random invites.
hollow dock
Got any idea the kind of PR fallout that happens from targeted 'open' alpha invites?
hollow dock
Hence the quotes.
dense plover
open would mean anyone could
and the PR mess?
the main people in alpha are streamers
as long as they have access, there wouldnt be much of a PR mess
hollow dock
Clearly you dont know the privalged players of WoW.
dense plover
especially if blizzard was open about who would get alpha vs beta access
oh no
screachers on the forums
who cares?
heavy cairn
to be fair the early invites were pretty targeted
dense plover
yes
hollow dock
Oh they wouldnt be on the forums. Those are lodt dollar bill signs.
heavy cairn
it wasn't random for a while
dense plover
but theyve gotten wider and its not beta
meanwhile plenty of people who would give good feedback and bug reports dont have access
heavy cairn
something that I'm curious about is that two people pretty close to me also got into alpha (as well as me) but no one else in my guild that I know of did
hollow dock
Even if ya got access I bet youd complain about the people not doing as well as you
ruby star
to be fair Peach has a point, a lot of people who have Alpha, don't give good feedback or bug reports tbh
dense plover
why would i complain about people not doing as well?
everyone has different levels of skill in reporting those things
ruby star
I hope to get alpha access as I;d actually give good feedback and bugs etc, but it's really unlikely so 😛
hollow dock
Youre doing it right now
dense plover
as long as they are actively trying to give good feedback, i dont give a fuck
but there ARE lots of people not giving feedback
streamers included
ruby star
Some people just play the Alpha and don't give feedback or bugs ^
dense plover
streamers i understand since they build hype
hollow dock
And those same streamers would get in. Even if you got in, I bet youd be singing the same tune.
dense plover
but the amount of bug reports of a bugged quest compared to the number of players who completed that quest is a problem
first thing i would do on beta is check those broken quests from live
and if they still exist, i would report them
because then they might actually get fixed
heavy cairn
there's some people on the alpha who complain about people testing old content 🤔
hollow dock
We dont even know those numberd tho.
heavy cairn
but as you are saying it's pretty important
meager warren
"Expect nothing and you'll be prepared for anything"
dense plover
they should require the bug report form on the quest submission box to be filled out
if it isnt, you shouldnt be able to turn the quest in
that would stop my complaints
just the yes no checkbox
hollow dock
It wouldnt. I garuntee.
heavy cairn
I really wish they did. sometimes I accidentally complete without checking "no issues"
dense plover
^
meager warren
maybe if you applied constructive criticism instead of complaining, you'd be better off
gee, who knew
hollow dock
He complains that his one voice isnt above everyone elses.
dense plover
constructive criticism does nothing here
strange falcon
gee,who knew peach was a top tier complainer 😄
dense plover
i dont want it to be above everyone
i think there should be groups of players who are listened to
meager warren
constructive criticism does a lot here.
maybe if you tried it, you'd know that
hollow dock
Which you are apart of and should get exclusivity amiright?
dense plover
if you give bug reports consistently and have been shown to provide good reports, your reports should be given a higher priority
no
not exclusively
i think literally anyone who regularly submits useful bug reports should get this tag
hollow dock
You just said they should be invited to alpha over the random invites.
dense plover
yes
mortal zephyr
When is the beta supposed to start?
dense plover
because randos who dont give feedback dont help blizzard at all
if they are giving feedback, good, im not upset at them
heavy cairn
peach, there's a possibility they haven't seen your bug
dense plover
im upset at the people who arent giving feedback or reporting bugs
ofc
except that there are posts on the bug report forum
that have hundreds of responses
hollow dock
We dont actually know that for certain. Nor do we have any confirmation that blizzard is only helped in bug submissions
dense plover
because some of these bugs have been around since warlords
heavy cairn
did you post some of those bugs that got that much attention on the forum?
hollow dock
Tbh another thing thatd help is people seperating their posts. Flood the forum with 1 bug and see how fast it gets fixed
meager warren
^
heavy cairn
the CMs don't like that. they redirect you to the correct thread
meager warren
lets do it
heavy cairn
also it's against code of conduct
dense plover
^
hollow dock
If a hundred people all independantly post their interaction of a single bug on the forums?
heavy cairn
dense plover
you are supposed to put all your bugs in one post
heavy cairn
they will all get (temporarily) banned if it's a group effort, in all likelihood
hollow dock
Oh please. A lot of people on the forums should be banned then
meager warren
^
heavy cairn
if it's just a coincidence, I doubt hundreds of posts would be posted
a CM would just kindly redirect them in the correct place
meager warren
you underestimate our power
hollow dock
Blizzard doesnt have rules against necro'ing a post right?
meager warren
no but CMs don't like that either
heavy cairn
CMs close posts that are necro'd
meager warren
"pls make a new thread instead of necroing them"
heavy cairn
if it's an old thread, you're allowed to make a new post
but if there are active threads on the same issue, don't make a new one
hollow dock
It dont say that on the rules
dense plover
huh
apparently the dread waste quest is a side storyline'
and is just tagged as being a main storyline on the map
so the bug is actually minor
heavy cairn
you're correct vris, but the precedent set by CMs is that if the post is still relevant today (generally if it's a bug or suggestion from before a recent patch it's not) it's "active"
heavy cairn
peach, MoP was the first expac to have the exclamation marks on the map
it's possible that they didn't touch the exclamation marks in 7.3.5
heavy cairn
yea there was such thing as a main storyline in MoP
dense plover
and the quest being tagged as such is a bug?
heavy cairn
but they must have just not cared
dense plover
since its a side storyline?
heavy cairn
yes, in today's world, it is a bug
heavy cairn
back in MoP, the exclamation thing was probably not fully defined
dense plover
i think it was
heavy cairn
but I totally forgot that MoP had the chapter thing for a second
dense plover
storylines were things
kind of proving vris' point though
but
the quest is broken
so my report wasnt useless
how hard do you think it would be for them to go back through the game and make the load screens widescreen compatible?
obviously not a priority'
but it would be a nice change
heavy cairn
probably wouldn't be up to dev team
IMO it's going to be a change that is needed
maybe in the patch after kultiran humans and maghar orcs are released (I assume it will be near the end of bfa)
because there are going to be a ton of races that have 0 representation on loading screens
as for TBC, wrath, cata, pandaria, probably not going to happen
did wod have widescreen support? I can't really tell which does and which does not since I have ultra widescreen and there are black borders on every loading screen
I just specifically remember that legion did
meager warren
why not use full screen
heavy cairn
wdym
I do use fullscreen
doesn't change the fact that (new) loading screens are meant for widescreen (16:9, e.g. 1920x1080) but I have a 21.5:9 aspect ratio monitor (3440x1440)
fullscreen, but black borders. I don't care if it gets fixed, just letting you know that being fullscreen or not isn't relevant
also, on the topic of loading screens, I'm very curious why a scene from lordaeron is the loading screen for kul tiras and zandalar
strange falcon
well they use the intro scenario stuff often as loading screen,legion was Varian's last stand
heavy cairn
the thing is, that made sense
broken shore is part of broken isles
and intro scenario being loading screen was started in legion
so you can't say "often"
bfa loading screen being an arbitrary scene for two unrelated areas is akin to outland loading screen being used for blood elf & draenei starting zone (I know back then it was because they are on the same server as outland, but now they have the technology to have different loading screens for stuff on the same continent, e.g. hunter class hall. plus I highly doubt zandalar and kul tiras are on same server)
dense plover
the real problem is for normies like me
i have 16:9
but the old loading screens have those black bars
heavy cairn
I know the problem is for normies like you, I don't care about any issues present for my oddball resolution (gameplay itself is fully supported, only cutscenes, loading screens, title screens, and character creation screens have an issue for me)
I remember seeing those black bars on 16:9
wild pewter
rich apex
wat
ruby star
Do you reckon the Brunto mount is gonna cost like 1 Mill ?
dense plover
nah
its a vendor mount
so probably closer to 200k
its supposed to be a grind for the average person
its not the spider
ruby star
Oh nice, I'll probably just buy a WoW token for it xD
dense plover
especially because there are variants without the vendors made for other mounts
or you could save for a few months
its not that hard to get 200k if you put crafted stuff on the auction house
ruby star
Yeah, I'm not the greatest with gold gathering xD
dense plover
especially early in the expac
ruby star
Yeah that's true
dense plover
so the tease was real
"Heroic and Mythic have been turned on for Island Expeditions, have fun :)"
ruby star
Ooo nice! 😄 where did you see this?
heavy cairn
woah
heroic and mythic for island expeditions
hopefully that means I can actually find a group for them -_-
I tried queuing for like an hour and didn't get into normal
dense plover
muffinus' twitter
and the official post for island expeditions
doesnt matter to me
ruby star
can you link me his twitter plaese? 😄 So I can follow him?
ruby star
Oo yeah whoops thanks! 😄
heavy cairn
gonna try and get into a group
ruby star
really wants to try Island expeditions
dense plover
really wants to see zuldazar with npcs
seriously though
ive been waiting for zandalar for 6 years
wait
shit
how long ago was cata?
ive been waiting since then
carmine junco
re: saving up gold: you can also build up a metric f-ton of gold using the order halls
ruby star
I've only been playing Since 2014, Wished I joined earlier
heavy cairn
I didn't really play "properly" till legion
carmine junco
at least before they're nerfed for the next expansion
heavy cairn
didn't even bother trying raids, etc.
heavy cairn
I'm not optimized for making gold from order hall on really any of my characters but I get a decent (for me) amount of gold per week from there
I'm queued for mythic island expedition 🙏
ruby star
Oooo nice! 😄 Look forward to hearing your thoughts on the Mythic one! 😄
carmine junco
even if you don't make enough pre-expac, it'll still make the grind a hell of a lot shorter.
ruby star
"AI opponents get new abilities in Heroic and Mythic. Some of them are quite unfair." - Muffinus
xD
heavy cairn
I found two people so I'm doing mythic one now
ruby star
Ooo nice! 😄 Enjoy!
heavy cairn
it was pretty fun
didn't win, but the enemies actually felt quite like other players
one tried to distract us while another mined azerite
and they actually moved in patterns like a player would
well, that was part of the pitch :)
yea mythic expeditions are going to be actual challenges
ruby star
Ooo that's awesome
heavy cairn
we got ~4000 azerite
enemy NPCs got 6000 in the same time
this is the sort of thing that I feel voice chat would really help with
since the NPCs definitely appear to be well-coordinated
if the player team is not, then... ouch
ruby star
Yeah, but its great it's challanging :D
I'm just hoping I get into Next Alpha wave, So I can try islands etc and give my feedback :D shame the chances of getting alpha is low
dense plover
are they fun?
heavy cairn
but at least from the one expedition I've done so far it seems to deliver
it was definitely fun!
dense plover
only one?
heavy cairn
I've only done one so far, I don't really have time for another before thursday raid time
dense plover
ah
heavy cairn
but it was really interesting, one of the things that I found pretty cool was that there were some NPCs trapped, and we would have to figure out how to free them
one NPC was under sand, it looked like there was nothing to interact with
but after we progressed through the island for a bit there was a shovel
then we could use the shovel to dig him up
also as advertised there were random events occuring
ruby star
I love that!
heavy cairn
one was huge azerite elementals and azerite mining nodes coming out of the ground. coincidentally right in front of the alliance ship -_-
and one was a snowstorm that blocked our screens, summoned snow orbs that slowed us and really hurt (they were fragile, but deadly if not attended to), and also some ice elementals that guarded some chests of azerite
ruby star
Oooo cool
heavy cairn
the non-"advanced AI" mobs still are likely to show a challenge if the group is not all together.
the rarespawns have a variety of interruptable spells that they cast
I also encountered one of the cursed buff things that they discussed at blizzcon
took 50% of my health away but gave my mastery a big boost (unfortunately mastery isn't really my main stat)
ruby star
Ooo
dense plover
and you cant get rid of it?
heavy cairn
it lasts 10 minutes, lost on death
dense plover
can you right click it away though?
heavy cairn
no, it's a debuff
heavy cairn
I clicked an object labelled "cursed <something>"
got a debuff called "burnt soul" or something along those lines that gave the positive/negative combination I spoke of earlier
heavy cairn
speaking of death: over time you build up stacks of a debuff that indicates how much azerite you drop upon death. from all indications the "advanced AI" NPCs do too (after killing one, I noted that killing it again only dropped 1 azerite, and it had just respawned)
non-"advanced AI" NPCs have a debuff that doesn't count up, but lets you see how much azerite they drop
there was a big azerite elemental that spawned from an event, it gave about 400 azerite
I think the alliance (advanced AI) got it.. ugh
but there was an even bigger vein of mineable azerite, and the alliance was trying to mine it at every chance they got
ruby star
inserts Woop woop Alliance and cool!!
heavy cairn
and I think they also got it
dense plover
so when you pick up azerite, you get a debuff
and if you die, you drop an amount of your azerite
does this affect the total amount for completion?
like if you die and lose 400, does the team lose 400?
also, do you just lose a percentage?
heavy cairn
the azerite debuff is over time, not related to picking anything up
I don't think it hurts your team's overall completion, but it benefits the opposing team
not sure what happens if you die to an unaffiliated NPC
dense plover
huh
thats actually really cool
did it ever seem possible for the AI to beat you to 6k?
heavy cairn
I did not get any reward, probably not implemented
the expeditions were said to be collection of azerite on behalf of your faction, but the champions would get to take home a bit of azerite at blizzcon. that's probably just roleplay, so in the future, I assume it will be a static reward for winning/losing.
similar to BGs
when the expedition finished, it "stunned" the character like when a BG ends
it just said "expedition finished, thank you for testing battle for azeroth" (or something along those lines) for a few seconds before porting us out
heavy cairn
didn't notice any actual bugs minus one (which I reported)
during snow storm, I ice blocked since I took a lot of damage from a mob while healer was adjusting UI (-_-). the sky turned bright (but it continued snowing) until the ice block effect ended, where the storm resumed its normal dark sky stuff
I did notice that I had a debuff that told me what the snow storm was. perhaps it's related to how ice block clears certain harmful debuffs
dense plover
that seems possible
they also apparently have a bunch of different weather effects
the ability for the time to change
and for volumetric fog to suddenly appear
so your day on a tropical island fighting crabs could suddenly become midnight on a spooky island seeing ghosts in the mists
heavy cairn
well some datamined text did indicate kvaldir could show up
dense plover
theres a ton of different mobs according to datamining
but its a mix of unimplemented
heavy cairn
yes, was just commenting on the fog event
dense plover
and possibly island specific
kvaldir for the fog could be cool
wraiths or other ghosts
those new drust hags and drust beasts
theres a bunch of possibilities
heavy cairn
the text suggesting kvaldir specifically mentioned the fog, was what I was saying. but yes it would be cool for other mobs to show in fog too
dense plover
i just think its cool that they can change at a moment's notice
its a heavy improvement over the legion pre-patch invasion tech
and its extremely impressive
heavy cairn
yea, didn't see any major bugs
unlike the quests and stuff which had their share of issues
one quest has a house you go in but you phase right through the house (and possibly fall out of the world) making the quest impossible to complete lol
nothing like that in the expedition
but there is only one open for testing--un'gol ruins
which also happens to be the one they showcased mainly at blizzcon
analogous to how nazmir has much less bugs than zuldazar, and nazmir also happened to be the one they showcased at blizzcon (attendees could go on computers and play it)
heavy cairn
oh, I haven't noticed framerate issues in any zones, including expeditions
dense plover
especially with all the abilities and such
heavy cairn
though I run at the "recommended" graphic settings
heavy cairn
👋
plain vigil
@dense plover how do you feel about chron 3 retconning chron 1, implicating the possibility that chronicle is on fact written in universe, and not out of the 4th wall.
uncut vault
Where did it retcon?
hollow dock
It retconned 1 thing. Sargeras did enslave demons and not make a bargain with them.
uncut vault
Did I miss that part? All I saw is that he gave a "power or death" thing and demons obviously chose power
hollow dock
He enslaved them through fel or some shit. Its on the wowhead post lemme go get it
hollow dock
In Volume 3, Sargeras enslaves the demons while in Volume 1, he makes a pact:
“He embraced fel magic and enslaved demons to his will, forging them into an army called the Burning Legion. Vol 3 pg 10
He offered a simple pact in exchange for the demons’ newfound power: fight at his command, or be extinguished. It was not a difficult choice. Pg 49 Vol 1
uncut vault
isnt that talking about demons after the initial one
hollow dock
There that one.
uncut vault
because we already knew he enslaved races during the conquest
that was in volume 1 too
hollow dock
Not to sure myself. Not near my copy to check.
uncut vault
the line in 3 seems vague enough to not specifically mean the ones on mardum
but Im assuming the "its written in universe" is just some pyromancer theory
hollow dock
Honestly it feels like they summarized it to better fit what was already in game.
uncut vault
which is already incorrect because it has accounts of the titans, who were dead
hollow dock
Which during the green fire questline we find out that Illidan was freeing demons from the fel enslavement/addiction.
plain vigil
Haha the in universe theory has nothing to do with pyromancer
uncut vault
chronicles 1 mentions two times that both pit lords and nathrezim enslaved or transformed lesser demons
plain vigil
It was talking about sargeras specifically initially making a deal, or initially inslaving
uncut vault
new one doesnt mention initially enslaving anyways
again, its vague enough to not mean the ones from mardum
uncut vault
tfw wowhead left out literally the sentence before that says sargeras forced more fel upon them upon freedom
Though many demons had previously tapped into the volatile energies of the nether, none had ever experienced the pure might and rage found in Sargeras' fel. Some of the creatures grew in size and stature. Still others felt new cunning and intelligence unfold in their minds.
the demon stuff all seems like heavy summary anyways