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#beta-ptr-spoilers
tulip sun
rich apex
They already said Azshara is the next raid tier
terse patrol
Yes
terse patrol
I dont think she'll die tho
terse patrol
I'l 75% sure she'll escape, and be further warped by N'Zoth.
rich apex
Eh, maybe
tulip sun
I wish they'd make a fully faction war expansion than this crap that changes half way through
sudden oak
N'zoth is on the shadowlands?
tulip sun
There are ways to have both lose/win
rich apex
And it is, after all, Battle FOR Azeroth
sudden oak
wasnt he under the sea near the maelstrom?
rich apex
Azeroth, which we now know is a person that can be corrupted
tulip sun
-points to Talieson video for one example-
steel venture
i want like
rich apex
Blizz ain't gonna double the amount of raids
steel venture
to go to ny'alotha
rich apex
To make faction specific ones
And the end of the expansion story still can't have either side lose
So
tulip sun
You apparently did not watch the video
rich apex
Nope
I'm sure there's a million youtuber opinions about what would be ~a greally great idea~ for WoW
tropic trail
I love the idea of having Anduin and Sylvanas being raid bosses, but it'd seem too much like SoO
Especially if we go raid the horde again
rich apex
Not this time around
Unless they actually manage to surprise me
And all that N'zoth foreshadowing was a red herring to cover up Sylvie going Full Garrosh
hollow dock
Bards!
sudden oak
maybe Ny'alotha is where N'zoth is imprisoned
tropic trail
It probably is.
hollow dock
You guys
are so very wrong
like
so
very wrong
Ny'alotha isn't where he's imprisoned
tropic trail
Can't we dream?
rich apex
in before Blizz writes something new
tropic trail
Let me d r e a m
sudden oak
we dont know where ny'alotha is right?
tropic trail
Besides, if we were able to get Argus 50 feet away from Azeroth I'm sure they could do something
^^
hollow dock
No we dont. We dont even know if it exists.
We're able to get Argus so close because we opened a portal to it
hollow dock
Both do
but we have no other references to it. It could exist, it could not. We don't know for sure.
sudden oak
if we dont know where it is and we dont even know if it even exists how can you be so sure that the prison of N'zoth isnt called Ny'alotha
tropic trail
(When dying)Β N'Zoth... I journey... to Ny'alotha...
sudden oak
or at least a city/place of worship made by the naga around his prison
hollow dock
Yes, again. We dont know if it actually exists.
tropic trail
In the sunken city, he lays dreaming... This could be evidence that he is in fact, imprisoned at Nya'lotha
tropic trail
^^
terse patrol
And his realm is called a black forest.
tropic trail
When you'll walk among the black forest, you will see.
terse patrol
Also
The forest is at the top of a giant spite.
"Beneath the shadow of the darkened spire, there is no light, no mercy, only void, and the chaos within."
hollow dock
None of this points to it being Ny'alotha.
tropic trail
But the thing is, another quote is given is "at the bottom of the ocean even light must die"
terse patrol
"There is a little lamb lost in dark woods."
tropic trail
This is literally all evidence that has been given for 2-3 expansions pertaining to N'zoth
tropic trail
We already know N'zoth is at the bottom of the ocean
terse patrol
"The silent, sleeping, staring houses in the backwoods always dream. It would be merciful to tear them down." This seems like a reference to Drustvar.
hollow dock
We dont know that actually
tropic trail
It is already stated it does exist in some form or another
terse patrol
has connections to the Shadowlands
hollow dock
because we have no idea where his prison actually is. But we know for 100% fact that its on azeroth
sudden oak
then how does the canon say that the place where n'zoth is imprisoned isnt called ny'alotha
like you said a moment ago
tropic trail
It does state that he is imprisoned in a sunken city so it is possible that Naga either built a sort of a city around him possibly not too far from Vashj'ir
hollow dock
You clearly haven't read chronicles
The combined land of Kalmindor and the locations of the Old Gods and their prisons
terse patrol
We know that all Old Gods had a prison built around them. We do know his prison is weak now.
hollow dock
All 4 are noted to be on Azeroth. not in a different dimension.
tropic trail
Maybe so, but that doesn't mean you can just tear me down outright, I am trying to state some evidence with my claims
hollow dock
All old gods had titan prisons constructed around them to contain them.
terse patrol
I honestly think he'll be free by the time we get to him.
tropic trail
Definitely
tropic trail
It*
hollow dock
By the time we're going off to Argus, he's already breaking free
sudden oak
N'zoth prision still could be called Ny'alotha
tropic trail
But that doesn't mean he's moving around though too
terse patrol
I honestly think we're going to find him along with the fifth world tree.
hollow dock
That. You do remember that the old gods -cant- move right?
they're MASSIVE parasites in the early
earth*
Yogg alone is the size of Northrend
terse patrol
I think he's fused to the fifth world tree. And that's what the Rift of Aln is.
tropic trail
I'm sorry that I don't take in the fact that they're pulling a Stephen Hawking
terse patrol
If we look up in the Rift of Aln, we see roots.
tropic trail
And it does state that he is dreaming
steel venture
and deep beneath the earth
tropic trail
Oceans*
hollow dock
We dont know if 100% it's actually N'zoth that its talking about
It is the Old Gods, they speak in metaphore.
metaphor
terse patrol
I just find it interesting
How it's implied he's underwater.
Yet that he
is also tied to a black forest.
hollow dock
The black forest ties is to Shub-niggurath and the other great old ones. More specifically, the Black Forest is supposed to be tied to Y'shaarj. since that is supposedly the Black Goat with 7 eyes.
terse patrol
I was discussing with Pyro regarding the fifth world tree being an ebony tree, which would fit where we think N'Zoth's prison might be. Somewhere in the South Seas. Ebony wood is tropical. Plus, a noted characteristic of ebony: it doesn't float.
And Xavius appears to be partly made from Ebony in his mutant form.
hollow dock
South seas is the other side of the world to where N'zoth is tho
to where he supposedly is*
that is
hollow dock
in between Pandarai and kalmindor is the South Seas
KT and Zuldalar are on the other side near EK
hollow dock
https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.net/wowpedia/thumb/6/6d/Chronicle_-_Map_of_Azeroth.jpg/600px-Chronicle_-_Map_of_Azeroth.jpg?version=d8944ace2192eb9f24e5e300c11befab the canon map from Chronicle
terse patrol
thats the pre-shattering map
uncut vault
we get the new one that shows the actual kul tiras/zandalar positions/shapes in like 3 days
tropic trail
I'm willing to bet he's pretty close to Nazjatar
uncut vault
but he's directly in the center of the two continents
hollow dock
Im willing to say that the titan facility has sunken, but south sea is a little far fetched
tropic trail
So is Azeroth flat
meager warren
hold up, what does "pulling a stephen hawking" mean?
terse patrol
no
terse patrol
Azeroth is not flat boob meme
hollow dock
yes Azeroth is flat.
meager warren
it was an ambiguous statement
tropic trail
See I am just asking cause if kalimdor pandaria northrend and eastern kingdom was all together at one point
I can answer that question if you'd like
Doesn't their me their is still like
meager warren
yespls
terse patrol
terse patrol
π€
tropic trail
unseen
tropic trail
It means that they're not able to move freely but can think freely
untold fractal
pfffty that is just the fish eye effect from the Argus atmostphere π saracasm
tropic trail
Cause if this is the case.
meager warren
oh yeah, Azeroth is totally one half of a fucking sphere.
makes so much fucking sense
it totally wouldn't implode on itself and create a black hole
hollow dock
I mean
tropic trail
Well, there is very minute lore about the other side of Azeroth being basically the Bermuda Triangle
hollow dock
somehow a massive sword stabbing into it
didn't cause an extinction event
so
yea
tropic trail
What goes on, on the other side of the world?
Like do they feel all this?
We don't know
hollow dock
The titans show there isn't anything on the other side of the world
tropic trail
We don't even know if people live there
terse patrol
There's likely a third continent on the other side knowing Blizzard
so
im sure they're doing peachy
tropic trail
But that doesn't entirely mean there isn't
hollow dock
I'm going with the titans globes in Ulduar
meager warren
tbf, Sargeras's sword killed almost everyone in Silithus
hollow dock
and saying theres nothing actually there
tropic trail
Is this just a big history lesson about America and how Europe comes over and invades our lands.
terse patrol
To note
tropic trail
wasn't pandaria not on those globes at first tho?
tropic trail
But I believe you can see a continent just pass Kalimdor
terse patrol
so ye
hollow dock
that's EK.
terse patrol
Theres likely Pandaria 2.0 over there
tropic trail
No
hollow dock
there's a huge splotch of water inbetween.
tropic trail
An actual Continent
meager warren
Maybe something like Jormungandr is on the other side of azeroth
tropic trail
So we going to assume that the other side is just a death thing.. MAYBE IT'S ALL OLD GOD AND THE BLACK LEGION or something like that.
meager warren
tf is black legion
meager warren
never heard of it π€
tropic trail
Black empire.
hollow dock
There isn't a fifth old god tho
tropic trail
How do we KNOW.
meager warren
u sure it isn't blue empire? :murloc:
tropic trail
Never know.
hollow dock
The chronicles is the hard canon of WoW
untold fractal
wouldnt be the first time Blizz changed the lore
tropic trail
But in the alpha they do state that the blood trolls were trying to raise another old god
hollow dock
They specifically made Chronicles
tropic trail
Yeah but lets think about this.
hollow dock
to STOP the rewrites and retcons
tropic trail
What can they do AFTER this expac
hollow dock
That old God is G'huun
tropic trail
Mhmm
dense plover
its not an old god
hollow dock
an artificially created one
dense plover
its a corrupted experiment
tropic trail
But still one nonetheless
hollow dock
It's a false god for all intents and purposes
tropic trail
Wasn't there a sleeping old god under..trisfal glades..
meager warren
they're probably going to keep retconning lore anyway in the future
dense plover
that is essentially very similar
hollow dock
No there wasnt
untold fractal
nothing saying more old gods cant land on Azeroth.
hollow dock
it was the tomb of Tyr and a Faceless General
dense plover
^
tropic trail
^^
adding stuff that wasn't in chronicles isn't a retcon, it's keeping some element of surprise
dense plover
^
tropic trail
maybe they are just flying through space
dense plover
but we do know there are only 4 old gods
tropic trail
or landed on planets near us
if they outlined everything that will ever be in wow in chronicles it would be boring, they have to leave some stuff out
dense plover
no
meager warren
space goats 3.0?
hollow dock
They have a direct link to Azeroth herself
dense plover
they were sent out by the void lords
untold fractal
only 4 old gods now*
hollow dock
They have heart monitors on her
hollow dock
More old gods do exist
dense plover
their parasites
hollow dock
the void lords shoot them out
hollow dock
more exist.
meager warren
they're*
tropic trail
So it's safe to say that more can come.
tropic trail
And also the Arrakoa were trying to contact an old god too
dense plover
theyre huge
hollow dock
Like I said
hollow dock
but only 4 ever landed on Azeroth
dense plover
something that big hitting the ground?
tropic trail
Okay then here is a question I have.
uncut vault
btw, on the subject of the titan globes in ulduar, theyre basically non canon and metzen hates that they added them
dense plover
^
tropic trail
Have we really -killed- the old gods.
meager warren
would we?
didn't the old gods that were/ are on Azeroth "sneak" onto Azeroth or at least, live there for centuries/ however long until they were discovered by mortals?
dense plover
no
hollow dock
We only killed Y'shaarj
dense plover
^
tropic trail
But that's the thing, they could've also been contacting one from Azeroth
hollow dock
and killed is a stretch
hollow dock
Yogg-saron and C'thun are still around
tropic trail
We didn't kill Y'shaarj, he's been dead for ages
hollow dock
He's been alive technically through the Sha Lilo
dense plover
finally actually killing yshaarj
hollow dock
the Sha are now gone, the heart destroyed.
dense plover
its the only dead old god
tropic trail
So it's safe to say with the whole sword in azeroth in silithus as well as azerite that cthun could be back alive and doing shit..
hollow dock
His power and his influence is gone. He is truly dead in ever sense now.
meager warren
how do u know the sha are gone? π€ :khadgarface:
dense plover
^
untold fractal
Does the chronicles state in what form the old gods were when they arrived on Azeroth? Where they wholly formed and ready for business, or did they arrive as little evil seedlings of voidness?
meager warren
psh.
Celestials can lie
tropic trail
Well I mean alive as in actively doing stuff.
tropic trail
we jsut squished cthuns bugs and poked him in the eye
dense plover
for all we know, azerite is the blood of cthuun
hollow dock
The silithid is all him. The Twilight's Hammer in the area is him.
tropic trail
Azerite probably isn't C'thuns blood
dense plover
maybe finally seeing nyalotha
tropic trail
It'd probably look like Saronite
dense plover
probably not
hollow dock
Azerite is 100% Azeroths lifeforce.
meager warren
is G'huun a good void lord or a bad void lord?
hollow dock
her blood.
terse patrol
wat
dense plover
im not answering that dumb edgy
meager warren
wat
uncut vault
its basically confirmed not old god blood, because it deals holy damage
meager warren
lmao
tropic trail
C'thun became a paladin
dense plover
guess that answers that for sure then
uncut vault
in tiragarde you pick up azerite coated weapons and deal holy damage to enemies
tropic trail
azeroth is a holy titan?
uncut vault
pyromancer theories cifnromed
dense plover
we actually have had hints that azeroth is holy in some way right?
outside of azerite?
tropic trail
Azeroth really isn't a holy titan
Most Titans aren't really infused with the powers of light
In terms of being blessed anyways
dense plover
no, but there are hints that elune and azeroth are important to each other
tropic trail
maybe that's why people on azeroth can use the light so freely, since the very planet is infused with it, whereas the draenei get it from the naaru
dense plover
and elune is tied to the light
tropic trail
^^
Elune created the Naaru tsk tsk
would explain why orcs never really used the light on draenor
hollow dock
It's the working theory.
uncut vault
new theory: does is azeroth a naaru?
tropic trail
Wut
hollow dock
since Elunes artifacts can interact with the Naaru.
tropic trail
so elune is confirmed to have created the naaru tho?
dense plover
did the green guys do the outland?
tropic trail
Does is Azeroth a naaru
dense plover
not confirmed
tropic trail
I don't even think that is a question
dense plover
working theory
hollow dock
It's theory but there is hard proof that they can interact with each other. and elune can be used as a standin for a Prime naaru
tropic trail
Orcs don't see them as Naaru, or at least didn't at the time
Oshu'gun, which was a crashed ship, local shamans came to that Naaru with blessings and kept it purified for the time being
hollow dock
Another thing to note is that how Elune is described to Velen, he certainly sees a lot of Similarities to the Naaru.
tropic trail
I see naaru as windchimes that make music when beaten
Then Tyrande, being the bitch that she is, denied him
hollow dock
yea god
what a bitch being offended at someone downplaying her god
Sacrilege isnt a thing
tropic trail
Vol'jin even stated how night elves we're similar to trolls
I don't know, there's a lot of evidence for elune being/creating the naaru, but it kinda feels like too many things are directly tied to azeroth
Which makes sense**
hollow dock
that's not downplaying their belief system that's kept them alive and protecting Azeroth
and that's canon so why is that offensive or even close to Velen insulting Elune?
uncut vault
I mean, Im still betting that naaru or not, Elune was placed there by the titans to watch over the planet
tropic trail
Because it's stating that Elune is a lesser creature
hollow dock
there's no evidence to Elune having created the naaru
other than tis a theory that Khadgar made
How Lilo?
meager warren
Azeroth is a naaru wat
hollow dock
the night elves are not Elune
meager warren
but what if Elune is a night elf? π€
tropic trail
what if elune is tyrande travelled back in time, to watch over the fledgling night elf people?
meager warren
ew tyrande
meager warren
what if all the old gods are actually the good guys and are just misunderstood
hollow dock
that's what Ive been saying this whole time
meager warren
"It's not a phase mom"
tropic trail
I mean, the titans did make a lot of doomsday weapons to destroy the planet
meager warren
tru
untold fractal
I mean, you're not wrong
tropic trail
what makes them old gods? the humans don't even have any "new" gods
hollow dock
Because theyre older tahn time itself
and theyre gods
its like the 'Great Old Ones/Outer Gods' in Lovecraftian myths
meager warren
if no old god has made a grandpa/ grandma joke by now, i'm disappointed
hollow dock
there is a timeline where 1 old god has made at least 1 of those jokes
its not this one
meager warren
coooot
hollow dock
but its out there
meager warren
saddaysman
tropic trail
if there are infinite realities, why are there not infinite titans?
or infinite sargeras' to lead the legion
tropic trail
And to answer your question, it's because Night Elves don't see the Naaru being as powerful as Elune is, so that would in fact state her being a lesser creature (to a certain degree)
hollow dock
yes.which is why Tyrande took offense to Elune being compared to a naaru
tropic trail
putting her on the same level as a naaru is insulting to their religion basically
hollow dock
I understand that
tropic trail
But?
hollow dock
how is that similar in any way to Trolls being compared to Night elves
despite the fact that the world knows the trolls are ancestors of the elves
meager warren
in Marvel lore, there are infinity amount of Galactus/ Thanos/ etc but they never interact with each other.
But there's only one One Above All because he's basically The God of Marvel Comics
tropic trail
Because they look down at trolls and refuse to think that they come from such a lower being of existence
hollow dock
and thats stan lee.
meager warren
blue guy?
hollow dock
Whether they believe it or not is up to them. Its the truth. Whereas for Tyrande, insulting her religion that's saved the world countless times with a windchime is still a very large afront.
meager warren
there are lots of Blue guys in marvel.
be more specific
hollow dock
which is why Im wondering why she's being called a bitch because of a reasonable reaction
untold fractal
what even is elune?
hollow dock
a god
tropic trail
kang the conquerer, that's what it is
meager warren
my uqestion is, how does someone insult a religion with a windchime
hollow dock
by saying their god is that windchime
untold fractal
well yeah but like titan level god? one of the wild gods? on teh same level as the void lords or the light? like what sort of god
meager warren
i don't see how that's insulting
tropic trail
Reason why I'm calling her a bitch is because they still retain a lot of the mindset that the Highbornes have.
hollow dock
No they dont?
tropic trail
Had*
hollow dock
They hate magic.
tropic trail
do the naaru have any real power? or are they just kinda there
tropic trail
they don't really seem to do much
hollow dock
Naaru are beings of the Light
tropic trail
Empire isn't a mindset tsk tsk
meager warren
the only reasonable elves imo are of the Horde variety
tropic trail
^^
tropic trail
the ones that got pissing for being punished for working with evil naga?
granted, garithos was an asshole
hollow dock
They weren't exiled for that Green
tropic trail
Because they still retain a lot of their mindset of how they're more superior to most other races
hollow dock
Can you show me any time they've actually done this?
tropic trail
Let me finish my point if you will
hollow dock
Fully type out your point them
meager warren
both of you get a room pls
hollow dock
green show me where they've looked down on the other races or shown that.
tropic trail
Brann tried to link the night elves and the trolls together and the night elves took offense to that. Basically stating that they see the trolls as a lower form of being.
hollow dock
when and where was this Lilo?
tropic trail
aren't most of the brann theories from the rpgs?
hollow dock
back in WotLK and cata brann had a little jounral print to canonize his thories
like the Trolls being one of the first races on Azeroth and what the elves came from
hollow dock
Out of date. The same is seen in WoW and none of that is regurgitated.
hollow dock
Wc3 is out of date.
third war stuff in there, like Hyjal which is what that mission is from, is out of date now because its in game. Updated.
hollow dock
You dont remember going off to Hyjal to protect it from the legion?
hollow dock
You can speak to tyrande there. She doesn't exhibit any of that language.
tropic trail
doesn't mean she never had that mindset
^^
jaina is never shown in game to have been peaceful towards the horde
but she was
not anymore anyway
hollow dock
wha?...She did in Theramore. She even tells you that peace is needed. She advocates for it and shows praise to Varian for sparing Saurfangs life.
She tries to stop thrall from encountering varian indalaran
meager warren
If a previous game's lore hasn't been contradicted or retconned, chances are, it's canon still, Vris
hollow dock
unless its also just been dropped from existence
like paladins being immune to poisons and plagues.
meager warren
how was it dropped from existence?
meager warren
and?
tropic trail
Most of WCIII is still very canon
most of the books and such on wc3 really only add details
^^
hollow dock
Yes and most of those details have become obsolete.
hollow dock
They have either been dropped completely or replaced entirely.
meager warren
Vris, ur saying that but
tropic trail
Or never mentioned
meager warren
unless Bliz confirms that everything in Wc3 is no longer canon, you shouldn't say that.
hollow dock
I never said everything in WC3 isn't canon?
meager warren
u may as well have
tropic trail
so why is this one specific detail not canon then?
You were referring to that is was
hollow dock
I've said 1 thing in WC3 is obsolete and out of date.
because its not continued and have been dropped.
tropic trail
Which could also be put in the context that it is not canon
hollow dock
If you place that context, then I can't stop you from doing so?
tropic trail
she also refers to them as mongrels when talking with malfurion later
Because doesn't retconned story lines get dropped and discontinued?
it's clearly a theme in wc3
that the nelves don't like outsiders
^^
hollow dock
Outsiders destroy their forests.
meager warren
you said it was obsolete and out of date for the sole purpose of being in Wc3 and never having been mentioned again.
therefore, it seems reasonable to think that you intended to say that the entirety of wc3 isn't canon.
if you didn't intend to say that, however, think of what you're going to say before u sound funny
tropic trail
she still holds that mentality in game, mostly toward the horde tho
so I suppose not the best example
But she does with the other members of alliance aswell
hollow dock
I've never seen that being exhibited but alright if you all want to think it
meager warren
you haven't but the horde has
hollow dock
Yes because you're filthy barbarians
meager warren
there it is.
that's what we're talking about
hollow dock
What? It's a proven fact that orcs dont bathe and the horde are built on survival of the fittest.
tropic trail
And camaraderie
tyrande was friends with an orc during the war of the ancients, she worked side by side with them during the battle of mount hyjal, and yet she still looks down on them
i like alliance
Broxigar
hollow dock
To be fair in that same game
tropic trail
She was allies with Broxigar
hollow dock
she acts like she's never seen an orc
tropic trail
true
tropic trail
yeah that's true
meager warren
survival of the fittest hasn't steered the Horde wrong much except in Garrosh's case.
Meanwhile the Alliance doesn't seem to know the meaning of "Teamwork"
tropic trail
That was also 10,000 years in the past too
hollow dock
That doesn't mean much for the elves
granite orchid
Is this weeks brawl awful or is it just me?
tropic trail
were the immortal before the tree was planted tho?
the way sylvanas is shaping up makes me feel like i wont like this char aat all
hollow dock
Tyrande clearly remembers Suramar turning their backs on the civil war. She remembers a lot of the strife her people have gone through.
hollow dock
They were not. They still can live for thousands of years without the tree
meager warren
Sylvanas has had a stick up her ass since... wrath, i think
tropic trail
Same with Draenei
granite orchid
they just need elf dope
tropic trail
living well past your natural lifespan? that's not nothing
hollow dock
For the terms of REMEMBERING YOUR PAST
meager warren
the nelfs need Dwarf beer and some dope that would take down an elephant
hollow dock
it is nothing
tropic trail
people in their 40s have a hard time remembering things from their childhood
and that's not even half of our lifespan
hollow dock
because human brains deteriorate Green
elves dont
as I said before
She remembers the War of the ancients very well
she remembers Suramars actions to her call
tropic trail
That's because 40s is slight past the human lifespan my dear
meager warren
i'm 18 and i can't remember anything before i was 8
tropic trail
Even Alleria remembers details
hollow dock
and Alleria's been alive for over a thousand years. High elves dont normally live past 300-400 years.
meager warren
isn't Alleriaa herself a helf
hollow dock
Yes. She is.
tropic trail
they were preserved by some weird naaru witchcraft
meager warren
isn't that contradictory then
tropic trail
But she also had an increase in age due to the twisting nether, so that's more like being alive 20k+ years
hollow dock
The thousand years is with the twisting nether Lilo
and no it isn't Edgy. Noting that she is living past the normal life span of her race isn't contradictory
tropic trail
Humans can live to 100, does that contradict the human race, despite that being 30 years past the average lifespan?
meager warren
humans can live to *122
tropic trail
That's not average though
hollow dock
humans can live for however long we decide to live for.
meager warren
tropic trail
Average is 76-77
meager warren
100 isn't average either tho
tropic trail
ok, so her not knowing about orcs was clearly retconned
tropic trail
I'm sure in-game humans can, moreso than their real life counterpart
hollow dock
because by y'alls look on it
it's not because there's nothign contradictory in the game of WoW
despite it having just been dropped and never mentioned ever again
meager warren
it's kinda funny that humans are portrayed as the most heroic and honorable race in wow despite their real life counterparts
hollow dock
we like to project as a race Edgy
meager warren
no shit
hollow dock
why do you think so many 'alien' females are fuckable
tropic trail
I don't really see them as the most heroic though
meager warren
eh, i could be wrong.
i play horde mostly
tropic trail
In my honest opinion that'd probably be Blood elves or orcs, not really humans
hollow dock
I see the dwarves as the most heroic.
tropic trail
I see dwarves as being alcoholic
I don't really see blood elves as most heroic, they did some weird things to sustain their mana addiction
hollow dock
Like steal a Naaru
tropic trail
and orcs did some pretty weird things aswell
hollow dock
and steal its life force and turn it into a being of shadow
tropic trail
And suck daddy Kil'jaedan
meager warren
MOGU MASTER RACE
#NoLivesMatter
hollow dock
Oh yea and orcs raped and pillaged.
tropic trail
So do Harpies
tropic trail
pandaren are probably the most noble race on azeroth, but we like to pretend they don't exist
hollow dock
what's the orcs excuse
meager warren
ooh, on that note, which nelf was it that got horny and wanted to bang Sargeras?
hollow dock
Azshara
tropic trail
Highborne*
meager warren
ew
hollow dock
She wasnt' a nelf, she was a Highborne
meager warren
close enough
tropic trail
Not really
hollow dock
Like you orcs are actually gronn?
tropic trail
they're the same race tho, one just used arcane, the other was peasents
Culture is different for the most part
using peasants loosly
meager warren
they both pretty cocky
sudden oak
the highborne was just a social status in the old night elf empire
hollow dock
It was more than that Infernos.
meager warren
got a word wrong in that ^
hollow dock
Highborne were noted to be physically different to their Kaldorei-night elf counterparts due to the constant exposure to the Well of Eternity.
tropic trail
which is weird, since wasn't it the well that made the nelves into nelves?
why would it then make some of them look different
meager warren
wasn't it the well that made all elves, period?
hollow dock
The Sunwell was made from a vial of the Well of Eternity's water
which is how the Highborne turned into the elves we know nad love today
meager warren
so, yes?
sudden oak
The Highborne, also known as Highborn[1] or High-borne,[2] β Quel'dorei meaning "children of noble birth" in Darnassian and "high elves"[3][4] in Thalassian) were the upper classes of the Kaldorei civilization and the favored servitors of Queen Azshara. Despite their near-identical physical appearance, the ancient Kaldorei were already split across racial lines as night elves and
tropic trail
hey wait, if azeroth was a holy titan, as talked about earlier, does that mean that the well of eternity and the original sunwell were actually fonts of holy power not arcane?
hollow dock
Nope they are fonts of ARCANE
meager warren
π€ π€
hollow dock
the sunwell is only Holy NOW because of M'uru's heart
tropic trail
but why would they be arcane if it's a wound in azeroth who may or may not be holy in nature?
hollow dock
Because Azerite is shown to have holy properties
Which we dont actually know if its the Azerite or if its a blessing on the weapons
tropic trail
fair enough
meager warren
it probably also has unholy properties as well and really, it's about balance more than holy/ unholy-ness
tropic trail
Plus, it was an old god being ripped out of the ground that caused the Well of Eternity
sudden oak
in the wikia the highborne are just a social status
hollow dock
The only reason the well was made was because ripping out that old god left a wound on the titan that is Azeroth
Wikia is out of dat.e
meager warren
ur out of date
tropic trail
wrekt
hollow dock
no u
meager warren
no u
hollow dock
no u
meager warren
no u
tropic trail
Your sister a mister
hollow dock
no u
meager warren
no u
hollow dock
no u
meager warren
no u
hollow dock
no u
meager warren
no u
hollow dock
no u
meager warren
no u
hollow dock
no u
tropic trail
no me
hollow dock
no u
tropic trail
LOUD NOISWS
meager warren
we're getting spammy now
tropic trail
You think?
meager warren
ok.
but u
hollow dock
no u
meager warren
tropic trail
Non
hollow dock
:babyrage:
tropic trail
Begone thot
hollow dock
babyrage
tropic trail
hollow dock
BEGON T H O T
tropic trail
meager warren
π§ πͺ π¬ π΄ π³ πͺ
sudden oak
since both wikia and wowpedia are out of date were does it say that the highborne are different from the night elves?
hollow dock
@steel venture do you remember the exact book that stated it? I forgot its name
elder otter
Hmm, not seeing much bfa discussion here. lol
hollow dock
there's nothing to discuss on BFA that we haven't already discussed
terse patrol
Shit that happened at Dire Maul
tropic trail
how about them golden elf eyes
hollow dock
so now we're just on lore discussions
elder otter
That's what #no-wow-discussion is for then. π
meager warren
http://www.wowhead.com/news=282975/pirate-transmogs-added-in-battle-for-azeroth-26287?webhook/pirate-transmogs-added-in-battle-for-azeroth-26287 we could talk about this
sudden oak
I mean the highborne before the sundering with azshara honker
hollow dock
there ya go Inferos
meager warren
oh yeah.
@elder otter why is the title so clickbaity on that link
"Pirate transmogs..."
expects to see transmogs
Everything is poor quality
hollow dock
theyre labeled cosmetics
elder otter
What ya mean?
tropic trail
white quality can't be transmogged
hollow dock
you can't mog white items.
tropic trail
might be a mistkae on blizzs part tho
^^
and will get fixed later
I wish we could tbh
I like the simple looking weapons
hollow dock
there's a lot of really good white item sets in the game
meager warren
everything before BfA is irrelevant
elder otter
They're cosmetic, either Blizzard is changing the color or it's just a nuance of alpha.
meager warren
oic
hollow dock
why are we even here discussing anything then Edgy
tropic trail
maybe we'll get to transmog white items next xpac
I believe there was a cosmetic item that was not transmoggable
meager warren
BECAUSE MAGIC
tropic trail
But I can't remember for the life of me
since there's going to be a lot less sets since no class sets
maybe they'll lessen the transmog restirctions to compenate
You can still have themed sets
uncut vault
@meager warren https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/336698616569659392/426711514704117760/image.gif
hollow dock
There are no cosmetic items you can get that are white
meager warren
xd
tropic trail
or it's just mislabled white
hollow dock
Probably meant to be green
hollow dock
they aren't cosmetics
tropic trail
bronze glasses? I thought that was a major complaint on the forums, they couldn't be used once the anniversary event was over
hollow dock
http://www.wowhead.com/item=147885/bronze-tinted-sunglasses not tied to anniversary.
meager warren
coot
tropic trail
Really really disappointed with Blizzard for making this mog only usable during anniversary events. We spent badges on this, and it's not like we can only use the past anniversary pets once a year, so why do this? π¦
from the comment page
for the item
I only wear them anyways whenever I rp as Cuban Pete
hollow dock
Oh so they are
meager warren
http://www.wowhead.com/news=282952/broadcast-text-for-26287-burning-of-teldrassil-voljins-story-ruby-sanctum-spoile?webhook/broadcast-text-for-26287-burning-of-teldrassil-voljins-story-ruby-sanctum-spoile
Vol'jin's story will continue?
Does that mean he's gonna be a npc again instead of just a memory?
hollow dock
yea. Supposedly that's Zalazane fighting him
and then Voljin turns out to be aloa now
meager warren
oooh
tropic trail
Vol'jin got shafted hard which makes me sad
meager warren
same :c
hollow dock
he gets to become a freaking god
hollow dock
He's in HOTS
tropic trail
a lot of characters are in hots
so once voljinn is eventually added to hots can i scream horde favoritism?
meager warren
hey, the Alliance is on its second king, meanwhile the horde has gotten so many warchiefs, i've lost count.
Horde favoritism my ass
tropic trail
second, if you don't count bolvar as being a placeholder king
meager warren
i don't
but either way, it's still favoritism because horde has had more warchiefs
tropic trail
that's what I call more story development
why don't alliance get to have characters die like the horde do?
meager warren
points to Varian
tropic trail
I like that literally anything can be spun to be faction favoritism
meager warren
that word. i don't think it means what you think it means
meager warren
literally
meager warren
look at Vris talking about metaphors. they grow up so fast
hollow dock
Ive always talked about metaphors what
tropic trail
was that a metaphor for something?
meager warren
maybe 
terse patrol
to be fair, the alliance lacked a king until the end of Burning Crusade
If I recall
tropic trail
It had a king, just not Varian Wrynn
terse patrol
it had anduin, who was still a kid. Onyxia was the technical leader
tropic trail
Pretty much
terse patrol
Varian shoulda married Katrana Prestor π
meager warren
i can't remember who was king before varian
terse patrol
Llane
meager warren
o
terse patrol
King Llane was actually going to appear in the Halls of Valor, but that got nixxed in the Alpha
tropic trail
Would've been interesting to see
dense plover
it was removed because players felt it was weird to see non-vrykul there
and so did the devs
tropic trail
what do yall think of the new voice lines?
rich apex
Admittedly
Odyn collecting the spirits of major heroes
Does raise a lot of questions about the afterlife
Which Blizz has otherwise generally avoided
(And of course they would inevitably have completely avoided the dubious notion of Odyn gobbling up spirits of heroes)
(#Odynistherealvillain)
carmine junco
Cut to Odyn making wakka wakka noises ala pac man
rich apex
#helyadidnothingwrong
meager warren
helya did a lot wrong
tropic trail
there once was a maid from boralus
whos heart suffored dark fits of mailce
when her love when astray
she brndished her blade
and cut off the poor sailors... uhh
wait.. how's that once go again... Ballast - Angus_Ballaster
omg those sound files are awesome.. and so so savage 
ruby prawn
Why didn't Helya take down the halls of valor if she could?
hollow dock
#heyladidsomethingswrong
Helya wanted Odyn to suffer and watch his precious vrykul succumb to corruption and watch Azeroth burn for it. @ruby prawn
ruby prawn
Ty
heavy cairn
"(And of course they would inevitably have completely avoided the dubious notion of Odyn gobbling up spirits of heroes)"
nope. why are there no heroes in halls? not for blizz to avoid anything, but because he gobbled them up. /s
sudden oak
and they forgot to mention how helya is the evil being she is now thanks to odyn when he enslaved her making her a val'kyr
hollow dock
that wasn't forgotten. It was spelt out very clearly in Chronicles.
sudden oak
I meant in the stormheim storyline helya could have told us that odyn is not so good and that her goal was revenge alone against him
instead of her going "im going to rule everything muahahahaha"
hollow dock
yea but that's the corruption fully taking hold. And we know she's sitting Odyn up there and we need Odyn for the fight against hte Legion apparently
but like 60% of the forces we 'recruit' dont actually do anything
gilded egret
So my launcher just started downloading the alpha... does that mean I'm in? I haven't seen an email or anything else from blizzard. Maybe just wait for it to finish downloading and see what happens....
gilded egret
There is, yeah
gilded egret
jade marten
Grrrr
gilded egret
Guess my 4 allied races will get plenty of rested XP this weekend 
hollow dock
I hope that you wont treat it like early access and give lots of feedback/bug testing
dense plover
^^^^
this is very important
you are part of a small group of testers
your feedback and bug reports are extremely important
zinc sandal
^
ruby star
^^
heavy cairn
so how many people got alpha in the latest "wave"?
in the general chat of the zone I was testing (yes, I'm giving FEEDBACK and BUG REPORTS) people were implying a lot of people got in
hollow dock
I imagine it's up in the 400-500 range.
heavy cairn
it's super cringy to see people complaining about how zones look and no addons tho :(
it's alpha, really people
dense plover
ignore them
general chat is still garbage even on alpha
i still havent gotten in
i know i will in beta
but im tired of waiting
ruby star
^
balmy heart
I don't expect to get in alpha. Would be nice to get into beta, but I'm not going to be bothered if I don't.
ruby star
I'd love to get into Alpha or Beta (I'd actually give feedback and bugs) but I doubt I will xD
hollow dock
I hope I dont get access. I wont be able to play it to much.
carmine junco
I'd be okay if I got into either, but I honestly don't mind either way
tropic trail
I don't want access because I don't want too many visual spoilers
If that makes sense
hollow dock
Yea I get it. I dont want to listen in because music helps me really get into it.
strange falcon
demo warlock is looking spicy in the alpha,considering that you can summon raid bosses as temporary pets
dense plover
well
they arent actual raid bosses
and they only do slightly more damage
they are just dungeon boss scale
and its very rare
hollow dock
remember peach, you just have to make them think its OP for them to like it
dense plover
yeah
strange falcon
was IN FACT an actual raid boss
dense plover
hes not a raid boss though
strange falcon
he was the last boss of original karazhan
dense plover
he was a hearthstone card i thought
hollow dock
Nah Malchezaar is from Karazhan
hollow dock
he's the last boss there. he was squatting in there ripping into timelines and gathering artifacts
strange falcon
remember that 90% of hearthstone cards especially legendaries are actual npcs from wow
dense plover
guess he needs a new job what with the end of the burning legion
i hope they add jaraxus
hollow dock
It's how Thrall got Gorehowl. Somehow Malchezaar got it.
dense plover
then someone can make an addon
hollow dock
Jaraxxus is the new Doomguard ritual?
dense plover
or he can say YOU FACE JARAXXUS everytime he spawns
they come from nether portal
its a talent with a 2min cooldown
hollow dock
they should bring back the old Doomguard ritual
dense plover
for 20 seconds, every time you spend a soul shard you spawn a random demon
no they shouldnt
hollow dock
and let us glyph Jaraxxus in or rather. A 'random old demon boss'
dense plover
it was obnoxious
hollow dock
It was fun!
dense plover
but doing them more than once was obnoxius
hollow dock
Who knows, might strike up another government research like the Vanilla plaguespreading glitch.
strange falcon
just the thought of someone in pvp normally strolling around thinking "oh look demo warlock,let me burst him down"
then both malchezaar and jaraxxus pop out of nowhere
and his brain bluescreens
hollow dock
why would they bluescreen?
dense plover
what do you mean qabout the talent?
uncut vault
On the alpha every soul shard spent summons a demon from the nether portal
dense plover
^
it was bufffed
because some of the demons suck
and it only lasts 20 seconds, so it needs to have a serious impact to stay relevant
strange falcon
i'm going to use it regardless if i can summon jaraxxus
dense plover
they also removed demonic empowerment
and replaced it with demonic tyrant
Summon a Demonic Tyrant to increase the duration of all of your current demons by 15.0 sec, and increase the damage of all of your other demons by 15%, while casting Shadow Bolt Volley at your enemies.
and implosion is baseline
so ya know
demons
dense plover
the way i expect to build mine, im going to be able to summon all of the normal demons as well as bilescourge and if in a raid, a vilefiend too
plus whatever you normally summon
and the demonic tyrant
its so many demons
strange falcon
now,if you spec into having as many demons as possible
you have imps,dreadstalkers,tyrant,vilefiend,the bats,the ones from the portal
that's going to make some people lag hard
dense plover
also, they made it so you summon imps from hand of guldan by default
so that isnt a required talent anymore
strange falcon
ye 1 imp every 10 sec
dense plover
not to mention the back and forth with demonic core and demonbolt
honestly theyve finally nailed the fantasy of the class
and assuming its damage isnt shit
it will be one of the most fun specs imo
strange falcon
the most fun thing
is seeing people get swarmed by enormous amounts of demons
and you're there laughing
you have truly become an evil overlord
gg blizz
dense plover
they still need a new mastery
i assume it will tie into demonic core somehow
especially since it wont tie into demonic tyrant since that is learned two levels after the mastery
hollow dock
Wouldn't the mastery of 'increased damage from Demons' sorta thing work? like BM?
dense plover
maybe
right now it increases the effect of demonic empowerment, which no longer exists
so it literally does nothing
my guess is they are still trying to figure it out
uncut vault
I just hope that demo gets unique fire animations
Cause right now itβs just pyroblast
strange falcon
have locks already received their updated spell effects in legion?
dense plover
if they still have a bunk mastery, no reason to think animations are finished
no
they are getting them in BfA
strange falcon
point proven
uncut vault
The animations are in the model viewer just not implemented afaik
They added their combat idle a few builds back
dense plover
i noticed that as well
dense plover
well theres a reason it isnt implemented