Boss Mida?
#beta-ptr-spoilers
terse patrol
sharp bluff
big named ones I mean, the other big name goblins are from other towns
tropic trail
that other trade prince in rogue area
terse patrol
She was supposed to be the Trade Princess.
sharp bluff
really? huh
sharp bluff
Realy inferos, rule 34 elf dying? lol
sudden oak
the trade prince in the rogue are is marin
terse patrol
Anyways
Those two pics of Teldrassil, Sylvanas doesn’t move from that spot.
Sylvanas wouldn’t stay with Shandris.
They don’t know each other.
She knows her sister.
imo, she stayed by her sisters side as she died.
terse patrol
. . . yes
tropic trail
BRING BACK GILNEAS
terse patrol
Once you hit 110 and start the BFA content, Teldrassil is gone.
As is the Undercity
tropic trail
Undercity gets bombed
sudden oak
I think she is still in that place witnessing the burning of teldrassil
terse patrol
Don’t think so.
The elf with Sylvanas is watching it with her.
imo, they’re sharing a final moment.
sudden oak
also instead of making darkshore be filled with azurite it should have been Teldrassil
tropic trail
Maybe thats why Teldrassil while it's burning, it has that odd blue glow to it?
sharp bluff
So can anyone in the alpha tell me if they moved the Undercity heirloom vendor yet? and if so where
hollow dock
Orgrimmar I garuntee you.
tropic trail
i don't think undercity is out yet and nor is Teldrassil
sharp bluff
Alllaince one is still in the Dwarf place though right?
sharp bluff
probably will if horde gets theirs in Org
carmine junco
honestly i'd rather have one in both sw and if
sharp bluff
thats all i was wondering lol
hollow dock
I honestly wish
They just put one im each city
I have my hearthstone to Darnassus so itd be nice if like. Elise shows up there handing out heirlooms
carmine junco
Yeah that's the thing i really want, is access to stuff like that in every city
like every city has its own transmog vendor, void storage, etc etc
terse patrol
Better buy your undercity cockroach while you can
carmine junco
although i do wonder how this'll work with mage portal spells
sudden oak
something I hope they do with quel'thalas is that the sunwell can heal the land again
and clean the dead scar
or atleast start to heal
hollow dock
Sunwell never could heal the land what.
Its a font for the elves to use for their own magical prowess.
sudden oak
if im not mistaken the original sunwell changed the climate of the now eversong forest
hollow dock
The elves did that. Not the sunwell.
sudden oak
I love eversong its beautiful
sudden oak
...
gritty idol
that old ass Arthas model
sudden oak
I kinda liked Elisande tbh its a pity we had no option but to kill her
dense plover
Okay, so I got up late. Brainstorming challenge for you guys: if eitrigg is recruiting the draenor orcs, what is going to happen with Saurfang
sudden oak
since he is not going back to the horde I say he is going into self-exile
gritty idol
He's a sad old man
languid yoke
didn't text from one of the last builds suggest that Saurfang stays in prison because he doesn't want to be part of Sylvanas' horde or something along those lines
sudden oak
my wishlist of things I need in WoW are 2 rn and I doubt I will see them ever or atleast in a lot of time
1 a new Quel'thalas
2 an incubus pet for lock
strange falcon
have u bois seen the latest T&E vid,what about Factionwar
sharp bluff
ahh yes the mythical Incubus, a beast even rarer then the Ogre female
sharp bluff
I can see it now, demons fleeing to Azeroth to join the winning side lol
strange falcon
people wanting ugly ogres and not wanting good looking race 
sharp bluff
I want anything but more elves myself
I guess i want the worgen to actually have a new skeleton also, but I know better then that
sudden oak
I just want more elves the more the better :^)
strange falcon
@sharp bluff personally i think the vulpera and Sethrak are an excuse to update worgen and goblins,just as the Mag'har were an excuse to get upright orcs and as Dark iron were an excuse to give ram paladin mounts to dwarves
also it is believed for now that the sethrak dont have any distinctive differences between male and female(as putting breasts on a snake is outrageous and bethesda is the only one crazy enough to do it)
sharp bluff
It would be a good excuse, I may hate the worgen leader, but I love the idea behind them, and the ugly models they have right now kinda turn me off of them
Well Japan has done it also Dafire lol
I could see them giving the Sethrak IF, and a big IF, they become an allied race different sized head between the two
strange falcon
m8,dont make me start down the "IF" path for allied races now,vulpera will get announced the week they open vol'dun for testing,which is speculated to be next week,and guess what's next week?,the next Q&A
and while no apparent work aside from basics has been done to the sethrak yet
going by LOGIC
they are the only "fitting" counterpart for a vulpera allied race
tortollans? they're as unlikely as naga with that giant shell
and we've pretty much got confirmation that vulpera are horde through npcs and broadcast text
sharp bluff
Seth-Rak-
Rak =Rack
Snake tits confirmed lol
dense plover
more new VO
it includes aqir VO
as well as kragwa vo
torga
new mogu vo
voljamba
and a few others
lots of VO for nazmir and drustvar essentially
so thats 3 different loa with VO additions in this patch
im glad they all sound unique
gritty idol
WHAT IS A LOA
sudden oak
they are a kind of wild god the trolls worship if im not mistaken
hollow dock
I'll stick to my scepticisms until they 100% announce and confirm it
Loa are the idols that the trolls worship. They're considered wild gods for all intents and purposes.
dense plover
some of them are specifically called wild gods
any that return to the emerald dream ARE wild gods
hollow dock
Yup. But Loa is a general term that can even be applied to the whisps that float around the Night Elven lands
hollow dock
also have we ever gotten a confirmation on what the 'Whisp' is?
hollow dock
that's. not entirely true?
hollow dock
Loa can be applied to beings like Ursol and Ursoc
dense plover
they are not related to the shadowlands at all
they can be
but that is not a requirement
or even a common feature
hollow dock
Loa is just a general term for things the Trolls worship.
dense plover
^^^
sudden oak
if im not mistaken the broadcast text of this build explains what is a wisp
The wisps you see before you, the spirits of our Kaldorei ancestors, are but a shell of who they once were. A wisp is not a remnant of one's consciouness, but instead the primal force of nature that binds us all in harmonious unity. Warm them with your touch, champion. They are frightened and disturbed. Give them peace.
strange falcon
sudden oak
how are loas like hir'eek and Torga related to the shadowlands then?
sudden oak
I know he is wrong I just wanted to know how can he relate Hir'eek or Torga to the shadowlands
hollow dock
what about that Light Loa? @strange falcon How is LIGHT in any way from the SHADOWS?
strange falcon
the best thing is that you're still trying to disprove my claim,i am very basic knowledge about loas,and that was a way to rustle your jimmies
😄
hollow dock
We're not rustled, but we're rather confused on how you got to this conclusion
hollow dock
so then why make the claim to someone who clearly doesn't know what a loa is? O.o
strange falcon
because 👌
hollow dock
and people say Im the asshole
worn rune
Just ignore him, you're feeding the ego of a 12 year old edgelord.
strange falcon
oh boi I got called twelve and edgelord I surely am extremely offended now
dense plover
no need to waste my time with them anymore
hollow dock
I can't block people since it just shows 'Hidden message' everywhere
hollow dock
Same. It's like the only thing I dont like about discord.
meager warren
At least u don't have to read what they. And they can't pm u
Damnit autocorrect
what they say*
sudden oak
I wonder if ysera is also bound to the emerald dream could she be reborn like the wild gods?
hollow dock
there's a possibility, though we have never heard of dragons being reborn through the dream like the Wild Gods.
sudden oak
I really miss her tbh
she died only because of malfurion
he couldnt stay still meanwhile we were dealing with xavius ffs
carmine junco
honestly even as a druid i just wanted to leave malfurion in the hole
sadly my class hall quests required me to rescue him, iirc
hollow dock
We can only hope Sylvy kills him
sudden oak
in legion malf has done almost nothing but be saved multiple times
sudden oak
even in the boss fight of cenarius we need to save him
hollow dock
that's the extent of his involvement
carmine junco
<Xavius> ha ha ha! Your malfurion is in another nightmare!
sudden oak
MALFURION MY LOVE WHERE ARE YOU
hollow dock
he did more than the Illidari did
sudden oak
how?
hollow dock
Illidan and the Illidari are 100% not important to the story of Legion. They do not perform a single action that only they could do.
sudden oak
opening the rift to argus? holding the legion back in aszuna?
carmine junco
to be fair, only illidan would be the proper asshole to open the portal to argus and force the confrontation
hollow dock
The Silver Hand could have done so and we would have found the Sargerite keystone without him
carmine junco
at least the way they framed it
sudden oak
but the Illidari were the ones to get the keystone from mardum
there is no way the people of azeroth would reach mardum
hollow dock
Indeed. and we would have found it out through the Warlocks regardless of the Illidari.
sudden oak
how would the warlocks know where is the keystone without even the knowledge something like that exists
rich apex
'we must save illidan's soul, he's vital to the prophecy!'
illidan contributes literally nothing to the Argus campaign
hollow dock
Through their own demons
rich apex
illidan actively sabotages the Argus campaign by vaporizing the most powerful Light user that we know
hollow dock
They know multiple worlds exist and with us searching for a way to get to Argus, we would have found of a portal key either through Khadgar being curious or the warlocks uncovering it.
rich apex
Bonus points that Illidan opens the path to Argus
With no actual way of getting an army there
And no indication he knew about the Vindicaar
sudden oak
demons would rather die than saying where is the sargerite keystone and angering sargeras himself
hollow dock
Not entirely true. It depends entirely on the demons contract with the Warlock themselves.
meager warren
"Where's Malfurion?"
"He fell in the hole."
hollow dock
hole sounds from blessed Tomska
meager warren
Yess
sudden oak
khadgar didnt want to go to argus he wanted to close the rift and be done with it
hollow dock
Velen was already prepping to go there. to the heart of the burning legion.
You think he wouldn't clue in Khadgar in those plans?
meager warren
Velen was only convinced to go there because Illidan was an ass
hollow dock
Khadgar never showed any want of closing the rift, he was shocked that Illidan could be so very reckless and endangering Azeroth on a huge gamble
sudden oak
the travel from azeroth would take longer than the normal human lifespan tbh
meager warren
"It's magic."
hollow dock
We dont know that actually. With how portals work and if we can pinpoint Argus' location
it's a quick done deal to get there and then they just open smaller portals
rich apex
In theory, a gateway to Argus goes both ways
And the Legion has a lot more spaceships
But we wouldn't want Illidan to suffer actual consequences
hollow dock
Yup
which is why Khadgar was so shocked that Illidan gambled that the legion wouldn't just pour onto Azeroth
which is 100% what they should have done
meager warren
Didn't they already try that once and it didn't work
terse patrol
tbh, I wouldnt be surprised if they revealed that most of the Legion is fighting the Void.
And they didn’t expect a direct attack on Argus.
true matrix
terse patrol
@hollow dock
rich apex
in before Sargeras's redemption arc
Sargeras never showed up because he was busy fighting the Void
It was KJ and Archy who were doing all the atrocities
terse patrol
Nah, I’m p sure Sargeras was that cloud around Azeroth
rich apex
Yeah, he came to deal with the Old Gods
terse patrol
I think Titans use a nebula form to travel.
rich apex
Until we stopped him
Elune will give us visions of his poor, abused youth
How Aman'thul was mean to him
terse patrol
I mean, I’m pretty sure Aman’thul’s going to be revealed to be a huge dick
rich apex
sigh
I mean
I'd rather Evil Aman'thul than Evil Naaru Cruasde
I can't really blame Aman if he decides to wipe out Azeroth's mortals
After being stuck with Illidan for 5 years or so
rich apex
in before finale is actually Azeroth
sharp bluff
Void Naaru Cartel
rich apex
She's not happy we used her blood to fight our petty war
strange falcon
inb4 all of pyro's theories come true
rich apex
And empowered N'zoth in the process
terse patrol
i mean, i talk to pyro off and on 😂 Some of his ideas I don’t agree with, but I think he’s on the right track with others.
rich apex
The only theory I care about
is Grom not coming to Azeroth
And I was right
There is a God after all
sudden oak
Tbh I kinda like the concept that the naaru just as the void lords have their own agenda
terse patrol
Ye. I was 50% on that. I’m happy they chose to introduce a new character.
rich apex
Bah
sudden oak
And they are not only merciful happy wind chimes
rich apex
'hey here's this universal, cosmic force of good that gives hope to mortals, transcending race and worlds'
'actually they're evil too, hope is a lie, you sucker'
terse patrol
I think the Sha’tar are more good than Xe’ra.
tropic trail
it's not that hope is a lie, it's that absolutes can't be trusted
strange falcon
merciful happy wind chimes is the best description for a naaru i've seen
rich apex
Still unclear which naaru represents the overall culture, yes
terse patrol
The Sha’tar do not deny the fact that they can become Void.
rich apex
Aside from the fact that all Xera did wrong was be mean to poor Illidan 'sometimes the hand of fate must be forced' Stormrage
terse patrol
Xe’ra hid that.
sudden oak
And also threatened alleria for delving into de void
terse patrol
So ye, I think there are factions of Naaru
sudden oak
With death/imprisonment
strange falcon
oh you mean Illidan 'reference box of himself' stormrage?
terse patrol
And I’m guessing the Sha’tar are the good guys.
rich apex
Lothraxion: in my literal eternity of existance, in which i specifically fought the void, i met one person who wasn't a slobbering madman
tropic trail
what if Xe'ra got herself killed on purpose?
to get the army of the light to follow illidan
rich apex
Alleria: well then i'll be the unvierse's second sane void user
I mean
They didn't tho
Illidan did nothing
After that
terse patrol
Velen doin’ the heavy lifting
tropic trail
well, no one on argus really did anything after that
rich apex
Alleria dealt with the void naaru
terse patrol
I like Velen. He’s basically the Alliance’s grandpa.
rich apex
The Titans bound Sargeras
Velen is great
And Illidan's just a dick to him
And Velen still cuts him a break because he's a nice grandpa
tropic trail
what does illidan think he can do watching over sargeras prison? if sargeras breaks free illidan can't do shit
rich apex
Illidan just doesn't want to actually face consequences for all the terrible things he did
Or people did under his banner
terse patrol
You can hear the love in his tone when he acknowledges Anduin’s presence in that Tomb of Sargeras’ cinematic. Loveable grandad.
Genn is Anduin’s dad, and Velen is his grandpa.
strange falcon
Genn is the evil mastermind
terse patrol
fuck off
tropic trail
yeah, genns a bad influence
rich apex
Evil masterminds don't have a Proud Dad Smile
He -should- be
But
Alliance can do no wrong
terse patrol
or
strange falcon
alliance can do no wrong they're all goody two shoes forever
rich apex
(aside from Kul'tirans using Horde prisoners as target practice anyways)
terse patrol
They could make him a complex character who isnt a bad guy, but is driven by hate for Sylvanas?
Doesn’t mean he’s evil.
tropic trail
nah, genns gonna rope the alliance into doing something dumb
strange falcon
genn is garrosh 2.0 confirmed
terse patrol
Doubtful
rich apex
I'm not really betting on any war crimes
strange falcon
CONFIRMED
rich apex
WoW villains aren't exactly nuanced
terse patrol
Genn attacked the Forsaken in Stormheim only AFTER they found proof that Sylvanas was up to bad shit again.
sharp bluff
in the books
tropic trail
what proof?
terse patrol
Azsuna.
sharp bluff
as the gamers we never see the proof
rich apex
Removed content isn't canon tho
Azuna just says 'the forsaken are here'
'they must be up to something'
tropic trail
he just kinda attacks their ships on a whim
then completely ignores the fate-of-the-world objective on his quest to one-up sylvanas
sharp bluff
In game it seems that way, like he was stalking the forsaken, like some kind of half beast half man thing
rich apex
And gets proven right by dumb luck
After destroying the task force meant to secure the actual objective set by Anduin
tropic trail
I mean, yes he was right
rich apex
And leaves you to find the Aegis by yourself
terse patrol
The Alliance discovers plans that Sylvanas intended to enslave the Val’kyr.
You hand them off to a Worgen
tropic trail
that's later in the zone tho, after genn already attacked the forsaken tho
tropic trail
where?
sharp bluff
Honk, I think they are saying provide the quest info
rich apex
Someone look up the quest, I'm lazy
I remember they're there, just not any valkyr mention
tropic trail
I don't think any of the zones have any real story connection since they can be done in any order
otherwise the story wouldn't flow right if you only just found an important plot point for a zone after you already did it
sharp bluff
I didn't play alliance much this xpac, from the Horde side it looks like Genn was stalking Sylvanis, so idk the quest
rich apex
There's a fair hint that it was -previously- first
rich apex
Okay, that is fair then
Blizz should have kept it linear herp derp
The issue is nothing's mentioned in the Stormheim questline itself
tropic trail
yeah, what happens if I do stormheim first and then azsuna?
rich apex
Anduin tells you to help out Genn and Rodgers
tropic trail
does that mean the log was found after he already attacked?
rich apex
And Genn and Rogers are all 'ready to hunt the REAL enemy, wink wink?'
sharp bluff
in a nutshell, the multi zone scaling system messes up the story something fierce
tropic trail
yeah, I read it, but the nature of non-linear questing kinda makes me question if that really was the reason
terse patrol
It’s pretty easy to guess what she’s up to.
tropic trail
since I could have done stormheim first, and then found the log later
terse patrol
The Val’kyr are not a secret post-Andorhal.
rich apex
Then again
tropic trail
things like this is why I don't like non-linear questing
terse patrol
Letting Sylvanas enslave the Val’kyr of Stormheim would be a major disaster.
rich apex
It does explain why no one ever calls Genn out for being a jackass and shooting first
terse patrol
uh
rich apex
(aside from the bit where Alliance can never do wrong)
tropic trail
I mean, yes genn was ultimately right
terse patrol
How is he being a jackass
sharp bluff
Well he still is a Jackass, but this time he has a reason
terse patrol
He was preventing Sylvanas from going full Lich Queen.
tropic trail
except he wasn't, he just kinda attacked, and may or may not have had info that sylv as up to something at the time
depending on your zone order
rich apex
The issue is that the Stormheim quest itself doesn't give any motivation beyond that he's pissed at Sylvanas for Broken Shore and his son
Demonic apocalypse aside
terse patrol
I know you don’t like to admit it, but while Genn hates Sylvanas, he only acts in the best interest of the Alliance.
rich apex
Anduin sent him there to find the Aegis, for the Alliance
terse patrol
Yes
tropic trail
it's not that I hate to admit it, it's that the nature of the questing in legion de-links all the zones stories
terse patrol
And likely to stop Sylvanas
rich apex
That and when he does fight Sylvanas, he tells her it's about destroying her future
terse patrol
The old order started with Azsuna being the beginning
rich apex
Not saving the world because he thinks she's going to zombie-fy the world
tropic trail
beta order doesn't matter, live does
terse patrol
dude, he was fighting his arch nemesis one on one
I think anyone would get hot headed face to face with their enemy.
So he wanted to knock her down a few pegs
tropic trail
until blizz says otherwise, we can't know for sure if he had the info at the time of stormheim or not
rich apex
It would be nice if they made the Alliance explicit aggressors just because of their petty grudge
for once
But
It's wonderfully unclear what the narrative is trying to portray of whether Genn is right or wrong
terse patrol
The Alliance have always been defensive.
tropic trail
I enjoy evil characters, nothing wrong with genn being bad, drama is good in stories
rich apex
Because of how the sstoryline was written as linear
But then changed
So
As usual, it's all a hot mess 😛
terse patrol
You want the Horde to be nice guys, but you keep forgetting that the Horde is comprised of outcasts.
rich apex
And then Anduin never says anything about Stormheim being a lowkey disaster
terse patrol
Thats their ENTIRE theme.
tropic trail
I'm guessing the new chronicle won't clarify this, it's not going to cover legion is it?
terse patrol
They aren’t cohesive. They all have a dark past save for the Tauren
hollow dock
It covers up to cata
tropic trail
because his motivation in that zone is kinda important
terse patrol
They clearly have in BFA
hollow dock
Everything you've just said has made me violently angry Hyper.
rich apex
/pat
terse patrol
Because Saurfang isnt putting up with Sylvanas’ shit
tropic trail
but it's only saurfang, baine does express some dissatisfaction tho
rich apex
Where's that office meeting meme
terse patrol
Sylvanas is stripping the Horde of its honor
rich apex
'okay writing team what do we do for BFA'
First guy: 'make sylvanas evil!'
Second guy: 'shit on jaina for making the morally right call in WC3!'
Third guy: 'show the true noble roots of the horde and remind everyone of the pointless destruction of the faction war'
terse patrol
I’m going to 80% guarantee you Sylvanas is going to get a redemption arch.
terse patrol
And will likely step down as Warchief
rich apex
The only reason I'm not betting on Sylvanas going Full Garrosh
tropic trail
I'd love for her to get a redemption arc, killing a character is boring, saving them is cool
rich apex
Is because of all the N'zoth foreshadowing
terse patrol
But don’t bet on Genn being EBOL MAN.
rich apex
So I am desperately hoping she (somehow) gets redeemed and willingly steps down
terse patrol
That’s Mathias Shaw’s job.
tropic trail
odds are genn and sylv are going to kill eachother
rich apex
It's not that he's a stock WoW villain that's a cruel jackass
Especially after the Proud Dad Smile
It's just that it was a dumbass move and it's annoying because he only got vindicated by dumb luck
terse patrol
rich apex
Because they didn't add another line into the quest about how he recieved intelligence
terse patrol
rich apex
It comes off as Genn shooting first, asking questions later, in the face of the demonic apocalypse
But then the narrative never actually follows up on it
And what Anduin, the moral boi, has to say
sharp bluff
sunken eyes, long nights spent trying to plan to kill a lady
terse patrol
To be fair Hyper
sharp bluff
Genn the ripper
terse patrol
By the time of Stormheim
The Alliance and Horde had beaten the Legion in the other zones save for Suramar
So, they werent exactly losing
tropic trail
unless you do stormheim first
rich apex
Ehh
terse patrol
I dont see genn dying in bfa
rich apex
Vereesa's already dying at Teldrassil
And I still think Kate will die
That's probably enough for the Alliance
sudden oak
I really want malf to die
sharp bluff
everyone wants Malf to die though
granite orchid
lol how many characters they killing?
rich apex
Several, hopefully
granite orchid
theyre going to have to introduce some new ones
granite orchid
thrall could use a heroic death
rich apex
If they're not going to let him save the Horde, yes
granite orchid
also i still blame him for cata expac lol
rich apex
Bah
Thrall coming back in BFA after his spiritual journey like https://i.imgur.com/Zki6LEk.gif
terse patrol
Dont you mean GO’EL?????
granite orchid
probably
sudden oak
I still blame him for founding a capital city in a goddamn desert
rich apex
He's Thrall until they change his nameplate
granite orchid
hopefully they don't have us fighting the spirit of the planet azeroth this time
rich apex
Maybe
Azeroth's probably pissed we're using her blood for our petty war
Magni: here, champion, this be the Heart of Azeroth, use it ta save our world
PC: you mean use it to wipe out the opposite faction?
Magni: did ah fecking stutter
granite orchid
NPC: I hate dwarfs stab
rich apex
Fortunately, he's made out of the diamond
terse patrol
dwarves are 10/10
granite orchid
lol true
terse patrol
dark iron supremacy
rich apex
#moriaforhighqueen
rich apex
👌
rich apex
in before Fireblood nerf
terse patrol
love me some femdommy angry dwarf ladies 😍
rich apex
😩
mood
Moira seduces Anduin to make herself High Queen
Well
'seduces'
if you know what I mean
please don't banhammer me mods
terse patrol
She needs to use magic to turn into a true dark iron
rich apex
He'll get one when he's old enough to be relevant to the plot
They're not gonna make a unique model just for him to stand there
sharp bluff
looks at new Suarfang model
rich apex
Saurfang's gonna come back
Like he will absolutely be back by 8.3, if not earlier
Khadgar, Magni, and Saurfang will force us to go out and save the world instead of murdering each other
sharp bluff
One flaw with that, you forgot the part where Suarfang tries to kill himself again
rich apex
He walks off dramatically in the Stormwind rescue scenario
Which inevitably sets up his return in the Horde's darkest hour
sharp bluff
you mean walks to the king
terse patrol
inb4 anduin and saurfang arrive during (hordes darkest hour accidentally caused by sylvanas)
And Saurfang, the future warchief, and Anduin end the faction war.
#heroes
sharp bluff
where is the part where Suarfang tries to kill himself though
terse patrol
He gets over trying to kill himself finally
sharp bluff
I wish that was true, but he has been doing it a lot lately
terse patrol
Anduin convinces him dying of old age is ok
sharp bluff
Now I know your messing with me
terse patrol
but ye, I’m pretty sure Saurfang is trying to stop the war
sharp bluff
Seems counterproductive given his mindset atm, if there is no war he can not die in battle, if he can not die in battle he will keep trying
meager warren
Honkerton doesn't seem to have a sense of humor so
sharp bluff
ah
terse patrol
Can someone help me find that meme picture of saurfang in alliance colors?
With the anduin body pillow
meager warren
no u
sharp bluff
it seems to be gone
meager warren
So people recognized that it's a dead meme sooner rather than later.
Coot
sharp bluff
Still waiting on the old man Suarfang, get off my lawn
since they seem to be against making him cool anymore
meager warren
U mean, they're against making him boring now?
sharp bluff
I did not see him offering advice to the Warchief did you?
rich apex
I don't have the Anduin one, sadly
sharp bluff
It's not like he even tried
rich apex
No one ever communicates in WoW
sharp bluff
Yet somehow the fat goblin did
terse patrol
Yas
sharp bluff
Saurfang didn't offer advice, but we know from the cinematic she will listen to the other leaders
he sat their fuming and kept his mouth shut 😑
shame the only ones who offered her advice are the Belfs and Tauren, who recommended she recruit those races
And a fat goblin that no one really trusts
but he still offered advice all the same
Blue does look surprisingly good against the green skin I must say though
slate ingot
nothing like misreading an email thinking its alpha related
and realizing its for defiance 2050
granite orchid
lol I got that too
trion: ruining games you used to like since 1998
that tv show was p good too
neat idea to have an MMO + tv running tying into each other
hollow dock
So on the outrage at Damage CDs being tossed back onto the GCD:
"i think it normalizes classes a bit. For example, enh shaman has several gcds to prepare for your burst while warriors can line up their burst instantaneously.
That was the norm barring a class or two, and each expansion more abilities were taken off the GCD. Everyone is screaming for classic WoW, but when they add a feature from it, no one wants it all of a sudden."
sudden oak
I will never understand players that only want vanilla tbh
it was a good game by the standards of that time
but now the only thing that pull them towards it now its pure nostalgia
and nostalgia alone wont keep it that way for ever
rich apex
Everyone loves to jerk off to nostalgia
sharp bluff
Holly Would, good nostalgia right there
steel venture
"Do not relent, hero! These elves are feral and would do you no such favor."
this line from the teldrassil stuff makes me
so
salty.
so blizzard is fully aware that kaldorei are supposed to be terrifying
but have refused to write it
period
its not just a "too many cooks" situation they're only """feral""" when its convinent to the plot
hollow dock
I mean. They even gave Kaldorei their fangs and sharp nails back in WoD
hollow dock
Yea pretty much.
jade basalt
The elves are apparently getting utterly rekt on all fronts, all the wisps, all the ancients, all the siege engines, they're just all around getting roflstomped
hollow dock
Which makes zero sense to me honestly.
These are the same beings and weapons that held off the Burning Legion, the Saytr hierarchy, the Silithid resurgence
Some green dudes tho
steel venture
"They're feral!"
"Except we're killing commanders, wisps, ancients, dryad, etc, left and right and destroying all of their glaive throwers with like zero-effort"
jade basalt
From the Alliance point of view, when the Horde commander shows up you are told to take him down but to beware because he is dangerous and yada yada.
From the Horde point of view, when the Elf commander shows up you are told to go quickly get rid of that joke.
steel venture
"and somehow we're able to take over enough of darkshore to get a foothold to burn down teldrassil in the first place"
YEAH THEY LITERALLY MAKE FUN OF THE NIGHT ELVEN COMMANDERS
hollow dock
It doesnt sound like a roftstomp.
What xan says sounds like it.
It boggles my mind that they are pulling another cataclysm with the night elves
Where theyre suddenly just incompetent to the color red
steel venture
"Another commander. Boy was she ever in the wrong place at the wrong time. Dispatch her. We can't risk her gathering reinforcements."
"Cut the rose before it can sprout thorns, I always say."
"Imagine. To sleep for thousands of years only to awaken for this. Such a pity."
"Poor thing, she barely got a chance to swing."
hollow dock
Like. Why are these ancient warriors of the forest being steamrolled
steel venture
sleep comment is @ the ancients joining in just to get blasted
hollow dock
At least Garrosh had the excuse of he was changing the landscape as he went and took the elves advatage away
steel venture
but everything else is literally a "aWWW LOOK AT THE LITTLE GIRL TRYING TO FIGHT!"
meager warren
Saurfang probably didn't say anything because he knew Sylvanas would be unreasonable regardless of what he said
also, WoW is getting zombie Pigman creatures.
neat
sharp bluff
Odd thought, but why have the naga not burnt the hippie tree down yet?
We know they have the forces
meager warren
because why do they care?
untold fractal
plus, arnt the naga forces more concentrated on the other side of Kalimdor?
tropic trail
naga are everywhere
I don't think there's really an area where there aren't a bunch
or where they couldn't really get to
untold fractal
well I didnt say they werent, but with most of the naga forces near the maelstrom, there might not be enough on the other side of the continent to launch that large of an assault on a capital, especially one surrounded by a tree
coupled with the lack of motivation
terse patrol
You’d think Baine would be like
“What the fuck are we doing.”
They always conveniently ignore the Tauren.
My hope is, Baine doesnt even show up to the battle, nor any Tauren.
@hollow dock
hollow dock
Oh he does show up
terse patrol
ffs
Why do they never give Tauren any integrity
Feels like the integrity died with Cairne
zinc sandal
terse patrol
I mean Teldrassil.
uncut vault
I don't think he's at Teldrassil. Lordaeron we know he is, but I dont think we've seen him in any Kalimdor stuff
meager warren
do we know that Teldrassil is even a battle at this point?
hollow dock
uh
Well we knowDarkshore is where the fighting is
Teldrassil going ablaze still hasn't been touched upon
rich apex
If there's a scenario for the attack on Darkshore
Presumably that leads in to Teldrassil
Or rather ends with
hollow dock
honestly, Im starting to think its just overzealous goblins at this point. No where is it even eluding that Sylvanas has any interest in taking Teldrassil
-just- Darkshore for the fact that Azerite is sprouting up there
rich apex
in before N'zoth cultists
hollow dock
Maybe. Though they wouldn't need to do that.
rich apex
I'm just desperately hoping for something besides 'Sylvie lights them on fire because she's evil'
hollow dock
My only issue is that I dont think they'd need to. My reason for suggesting the idea is to spark the alliance horde war early, but sylvanas has beat them to taht
uncut vault
would actually be really interesting for it to be people under sylvanas going further than she wanted
have her goal be obtaining the azerite the nelfs have, orcs/goblins/undead/whoever light the tree aflame to distract the nelfs
that would actually require the nelfs to actually, you know, be a threat
hollow dock
So its either she just does it for whatever reason or someone like the Council in Undercity does it.
uncut vault
which we all know blizz doesnt want to write
hollow dock
but yea. For some reason they want to beat you over the head in symbolism that they are
despite having written them like tha tin the past
they're just incompetent in WoW
everywhere else they're fine
but in the horde-alliance war, nah
they just grow stupid
uncut vault
the one thing I like about it is that they actually acknowledge that nelfs are scary as hell at night, so dont attack then
hollow dock
which doesnt make any sense at all
theyre this incompetent in the day
what the heck is night going to do for them
untold fractal
they are empowered by Elune?
hollow dock
but thats..that's not how that works. Elune works on prayers, like normal Light does.
steel venture
WC3 callback, I guess.
But that makes little to no sense because Elune's power DOES work during the day.
And we've seen that repeatedly throughout the course of the MMO.
uncut vault
should be 100% during the day, 150% during night because night powers
untold fractal
not as well maybe? idk im just guessing
hollow dock
If this is their 100%
uncut vault
well, also just the moon is always in the sky
hollow dock
then 150% is not scary at all
uncut vault
so elune should always work anyways
steel venture
It should be 500% at night, honestly.
There's not really ever a night-based battle they've lost, if I recall.
But that doesn't excuse how pathetic Blizzard is making them for this scenario.
hollow dock
but none of this excuses anything. Unless they somehow turn into Assassins Creed level assassins at night, from how they seem to operate, nothing they can do is actually threatening
hollow dock
I know it is and its frustrating
steel venture
Not to mention how grossly sexist most of the Horde broadcast text is too, that's especially bad writing LOL.
Like what is with all of the sudden shittalking on female night elves.
hollow dock
It gives me the sliver of hope that this is just first draft writing
and it'll get refined
steel venture
Especially when orcs aren't actually sexist?
hollow dock
Apparently Sylvanas is suddenly sexist.
uncut vault
there is one gem that came out of the horrible nelf writing here, moonstone pendants are relevant and soundly canon for nelfs
instead of just a shop item from WC3
terse patrol
tbh, even in the Battle for the Undercity, they make the Horde seem strong even when losing.
steel venture
WC3 - "They're perfect warriors!"
BFA - "Poor thing, she barely got a chance to swing."
hollow dock
Like
the NIght elves have been written to make GROMMASH HELLSCREAM as a FEL ORC take a pause
steel venture
I appreciate moonstone pendants are properly canon now as being useful objects, my guild on MG uses them as their primary communication channel.
terse patrol
Sylvanas cant lose tho
hollow dock
and now we have this
Please, for the love of all writers sanity, let this just be some writers shit talking the alliance in their writing of drafts
uncut vault
I look forward to seeing nelf artists drawing some unique looking ones
steel venture
Golden better look at this, slap whoever wrote it, and fix it.
uncut vault
the poor thing line could just be another "their forces are endless" line
steel venture
If she is good at anything, it's character interaction and worldbuilding between the races societies.
Not so great at enviormental worldbuilding, but that was Knaak's thing more than Golden's.
steel venture
I WANT THAT.
PLS ;n;
like i want
scary, almost alien, feral elves
night elves should be so strange to the other races of the alliance that it's more like the alliance offered to ally with them to make sure they arent murdered in kalimdor
hollow dock
I dont think it needs to be -that- far
terse patrol
I'm tired of dress wearing Tyrande.
steel venture
You can still fight in a dress.
Blizzard just doesn't understand how leg slits work and never makes them.
steel venture
yes.
untold fractal
that is still pretty much a dress
steel venture
HotS Tyrande's armor > her WoW look any day tho
hollow dock
Yea. that'd be great if they wanted to make a completely brand new model for Tyrande
hollow dock
Because there's no way to get that as player armor
terse patrol
She doesn't look like leader of the Sentinels.
hollow dock
That's because she isn
steel venture
yeah but they give malfurion an HD update and leave tyrande in the dust
steel venture
malfurion already got a custom model in cata
then they give him a NEW version of it
despite Tyrande having a more prominent role in Val'sharah as well
terse patrol
She stepped down and gave that position to Shandris
But now that Teldrassil is gone
hollow dock
Shandris isn't
terse patrol
She should go militant again.
steel venture
She does trust Shandris as leader of the Sentinels.
hollow dock
^
untold fractal
and malfurion still looks like the night elf version of santa claus
steel venture
That is her adoptive daughter that she basically honed into a weapon because she didn't hold her back unlike everyone else.
terse patrol
Tyrande needs to stop holding back now.
hollow dock
There's no reason for her to take that away from Shandris
terse patrol
Go back to her bow wielding Sentinel roots.
steel venture
It's just a pity Blizzard has forgotten Shandris exists.
hollow dock
Except they haven't
because she is in the Hunter Orderhall
they know she exists
and have used her
steel venture
But they have Malfurion leading the army because ... reasons during the Battle for Teldrassil.
hollow dock
they just want to do their absolute best to show how incompetent the elves that defended azeroth thrice are to the color red.
terse patrol
I just want the elves to be brutal and dangerous again. Rather than boobie elves for ERPers.
hollow dock
Like you said.
they still aren
that hasn't stopped Honk
people will take anything with boobs and turn it into ERP
steel venture
It's a shame that it's obvious Blizzard is probably like, not letting Golden touch the Teldrassil scenario at all.
Because she did night elves REALLY WELL actually.
hollow dock
Even Knaack did night elves well
its not hard to do them well
they simply refuse to have them done well in the MMO
steel venture
Golden wrote the most WC3-like Tyrande back in War Crimes.
uncut vault
I mean, with shandris likely involved in this teldrassil stuff, and no sign of vereesa, there is one way for her to step down as leader of the sentinels 😉
terse patrol
Like
untold fractal
they dont fit the Alliance mold all that well if they were to be more.... primitive
hollow dock
There's no reason for Sylvanas to stick next to Shandris tho
nor does shandris have blue armor
terse patrol
^
steel venture
Except, ferality and savagry on the battlefield doesn't mean they're 'primative.'
terse patrol
Why do you keep clinging to that being Shandris
uncut vault
why do you keep clinging to it being someone other than Shandris
hollow dock
And that person there is certainly cared for in some capatacity as she dies.
uncut vault
shes the only elf that makes sense to be in that armor, and be in that spot
hollow dock
Shandris doesn't wear blue armor
How does that make her the only elf to wear blue armor
what
uncut vault
good thing the armor's teal in the night lighting then
hollow dock
against a RED BURNING TREE?
uncut vault
in the night lighting
hollow dock
the RED FIRE is what's lighting up the armor to see the BLUE ARMOR
steel venture
To be perfectly fair, Sylvanas even is off-colored in that image though.
hollow dock
everything around this elf is RED AND BLACK from the LIGHT AND SHADOWS
steel venture
And concept art =/= final product.
hollow dock
Shandris doesn't station near Teldrassil at all
steel venture
I wouldn't be surprised if they use Shandris just to kill her off.
hollow dock
she's in Feralas.
steel venture
Because with how much Blizzard is spitting on night elves right now I wouldn't put it against them.
hollow dock
Because she's no where near teldrassil and has noreason to be there. This is a surprise attack by the horde
tulip sun
They know the Horde is being aggressive, so it would be wise to move a bulk of the sentinel forces to Darkshore
uncut vault
I mean, if you guys think its a random nelf thats sitting right next to sylvanas, I suppose.
terse patrol
why
terse patrol
WHY would Sylvanas just stand next to a Night Elf, and watch Teldrassil burn?
hollow dock
They dont know that actually Khamnin. What we're shown is that the Horde has snuck through and launched an attack on Dark Shore.
terse patrol
She doesn't move from that spot, even before it starts burning.
Which means that elf MEANS something to her.
hollow dock
Sylvanas isn't someone to Gloat
uncut vault
why would she stand next to anyone and watch it burn? Its almost like we dont know details and Im speculating on a likely option
hollow dock
she isn't someone to mock or rub yoru face in
tulip sun
I guess I would prefer it be Shandris than like a random NPC. Unless its Malfurion talking about Sentinels
terse patrol
She's staying because she wants to be by her sisters side as she dies.
hollow dock
To me and Honk, it makes the most sense for it to be Veressa.
terse patrol
She likely never intended for Vereesa to die.
uncut vault
tfw "it doesnt make sense for shandris to be there" but also "it makes total sense for vereesa to be there and murdered in front of sylvanas"
tulip sun
I think it being Vereesa would be very interesting
steel venture
Vereesa wouldn't be impactful though, really.
terse patrol
. . .
rich apex
She's impactful to Sylvanas
tulip sun
It would to Sylvanas
terse patrol
How would Shandris be inpactful
tulip sun
-high fives hyper-
steel venture
Shandris wouldn't either.
uncut vault
secondary nelf leader defending her home? insane, could never happen. high elf stationed across the world with no ties to night elves? totally makes sense.
tulip sun
Shandris would impact Tyrande greatly
terse patrol
impactful*
tulip sun
Maybe even malfurion
hollow dock
Except she wouldn't know her homes under attack. because she's in Feralas.
steel venture
That's the thing.
Y'all expect these great character interactions but there's no evidence of them wanting to write this interestingly.
terse patrol
Vereesa dying effects TWO CHARACTERS. Sylvanas, who accidentally gets her sister killed. And Alleria, who will HATE Sylvanas.
tulip sun
It seems obvious they are pitting sister vs sister
terse patrol
^
uncut vault
but if shandris, who is a night elven leader stationed on the same continent being there doesnt make sense, why does vereesa?
terse patrol
idk why you guys can't see this.
uncut vault
what is your justification for vereesa appearing from nowhere making sense, but shandris not?
hollow dock
Shandris is down in feralas.
steel venture
They're literally brought back Alleria because Vereesa isn't interesting nor holds the playerbase's attention.
terse patrol
You guys forget that the Horde needs to take Feathermoon Hold too.
uncut vault
vereesa is on the broken isles last we saw her. That's a hell of a lot further than feralas
terse patrol
So, Feathermoon is likely under siege.
steel venture
FFS: Vereesa forgot about the fact that she has CHILDREN in War Crimes.
tulip sun
Sylvanas won't turn Vereesa, perhaps showing a slight change in her character.
steel venture
And she was paired up with Rhonin more or less to just give him children.
hollow dock
So was Shandris Port
As I said, she's at the Hunter Orderhall. Which is High Mountain.
At least Vereesa is in Dalaran
terse patrol
someone needs to screencap this
steel venture
She's the most irrelevant Windrunner, and Blizzard using this to nix her is logical.
But Blizzard also using Shandris to nix her since they've had no story real with her as well is also logical.
This is a very easy scenario to murder a lot of characters.
hollow dock
Dalaran has a direct portal, her going to Darnassus is faster than Shandris.
uncut vault
Vereesa is no longer in dalaran
she pulled the silver covenant out of dalaran in legion
steel venture
And make a false attempt to make it 'meaningful' similarly to how Vol'jin's death was kind of half-assed. (And now pointless since he will become a Loa and return.)
... and its already confirmed he's going loa
due to the text in that same datamine post
tulip sun
I mean, how was his death pointless if he becomes loa and aids us?
steel venture
death isn't shocking because blizzard just tosses it out at random without considering the real impact
and then just kinda scribbles out a way to bring said person back
usually "im not dead!" or "i was just passed out!" or "i've ressurected!"
hollow dock
To put it best by an abridging team:
tulip sun
I mean, come on
It was the BURNING LEGION. Just because there is potentially more stories to be told, doesn't mean no one should die
I would prefer their to be more deaths to be honest. For the amount of battles we have had, there have been barely any deaths.
hollow dock
Death honestly has no consequence.
uncut vault
blizz really should have saved the "kingdoms will burn" marketing for BfA
hollow dock
Since they just bring back the characters or immediately replace them
steel venture
Let's not forget "Not-Maarad™" that was used in the paladin order hall.
hollow dock
In fact, it's even better that they die
steel venture
Who LITERALLY had the same characterization as Maraad, same mannerisms, just a different VA.
hollow dock
because they get stronger that way
steel venture
and different name.
hollow dock
Out of all of Warcrafts history, Id say the only death that even has a hint of weight is Varian's death
uncut vault
he was in the same position as every draenei before legion
hollow dock
and even then
uncut vault
complete and utter irrelevance
steel venture
Boros used to be more unique though but then they made him a Maraad copy.
so
//smallbiolin
...violin
hollow dock
that got lessened because of HOTS
steel venture
Hell, even killing antagonists has felt rather unsatisfying now TBH.
"We killed Xavius guys!" "... wow that was pathetically easy why didn't we deal with the nightmarel ike three expansions ago?"
uncut vault
even though it shouldnt have, killing kiljaeden felt empty to me
steel venture
"was that SERIOUSLY the first fucking raid???"
uncut vault
outside of the raid and the trailer we saw basically none of him
hollow dock
I like that they tried and they solved the whole KJ hating and being jealous of Velen
and Velen being hte big boi
steel venture
It felt like a half-attempt to 'redeem' him for no real reason.
uncut vault
would have been more impactful if we saw mac'aree stuff before killing kil'jaeden
hollow dock
I liked that. but it still felt weightless.
steel venture
IT WOULD'VE MADE MORE SENSE IF KJ WAS KILLED IN THE BURNING THRONE
uncut vault
still would have preferred he joined us and betrayed sargeras tho. Actually live up to his name
even if he ended up pulling an illidan and re-betraying us
steel venture
most of the time, blizzard doesn't time killing antagonists properly
hollow dock
if they ever kill them at all
uncut vault
not looking any better in BfA either
steel venture
the only real "good" antagonist death was Arthas's and it still wasn't as good as it could've been.
hollow dock
which is why Im so worried for Azshara
uncut vault
Zul being a mythic only fight after being killed off screen
azshara only mentioned in letters
terse patrol
inb4 hakkar is the mythic boss 😉
hollow dock
Azshara is confirmed to be a boss in hte second raid Port
steel venture
Imagine how the death of Arthas could have been:
Instead of Bolvar taking up the mantle of Lich King. It should've been Jaina becoming Lich Queen. Finishing both of their character arcs and permenantly keeping her with her prince, and stopping what he started.
uncut vault
yes but theres no build up to her in BfA
steel venture
:T
hollow dock
Which is why I am so terrified for it
uncut vault
Im happy we're finally facing her but if she shows up in one zone for two seconds, itll be horrid
hollow dock
Killing her should feel fuffilling
it should be satisfying to finally put this she-devil down
steel venture
Killing Azshara shouldn't feel as empty and pathetic as killing Deathwing.
uncut vault
also, quote from wowhead "We learned today that Zul a boss in Uldir, possibly Mythic-only. Based on other dialogue in this post, it looks like Rastakhan kills Zul, who is then resurrected and enhanced by G'huun."
hollow dock
or Elisande
steel venture
Azshara literally should not be just a loot-pinata we never see.
hollow dock
^
steel venture
She is supposed to be manipulating Zandalar and Kul Tiras.
steel venture
She has literally had ten-thousand-fucking-years to orchestrate her plan.
They better not make it even fucking worse than DEATHWING.
Deathwing was an equally manipulative force.
Then they turned him into a big, giant, stupid, flying screaming dragon.
With no logical plan or even real threat other than yelling at us and flying around one-shotting AFK players
uncut vault
I was really hoping Zul and Azshara would be gul'dan style villains
manipulating and causing shit but not actually us in a position to just roflstomp them
Gul'dan was great in WoD IMO
steel venture
Azshara really should never be in a position to roflstomp her, I'd assume Elune should have to step in to deal with her.
steel venture
Azshara at LEAST has a fullbody model, that means she might get more appearances than just as a boss.
uncut vault
still holding out a sliver of hope that the azshara fight is a Halls of Reflection style fight
steel venture
I'd also imagine Azshara is too large for us to just, waltz up and stab her.
Not to mention she didn't even allow us to try that when we FIRST tried to kill her in the WoE dungeon.
uncut vault
thiccness didnt stop us with deathwing
steel venture
She jsut was like "... lol bitch please //shields"
tulip sun
We better not kill Azshara
rich apex
We're totally killing Azshara
tulip sun
She deserves so much more
steel venture
I see no reason we could even make a dent on her when her first instinct around assailants, unlike EVERY OTHER BOSS IN WOW is "Oh, the murderhobos are here, I better put a shield on."
rich apex
Smug elf who made a deal with a power she can't comprehend because she thinks they can't be stopped?
hollow dock
Literally EVERY SINGLE BOSS IS CAPABLE OF THAT SPELL SHE CASTS OVER TEN THOUSAND YEARS AGO
and NONE OF THEM ever think to put it on
steel venture
YEAH.
rich apex
Bosses shield/stun/whatever in some appearance prior to the raid
because of story
not because they're so powerful
steel venture
any shielding spell is by pure conicidence or them "charging up"
uncut vault
for the first time, I actually want blizzard to write an "enough!" stuns the raid moment
steel venture
azshara is the only one who actually put a shield on to protect herself before the fight got serious
hollow dock
Oh like Mr. Smite does
steel venture
and then sent her lackies out
hollow dock
and when we deal with em she's like
'Eh Im bored.'
'Take me away my gloriously armored murderers'
and just leaves
terse patrol
i know this likely wont be the case
steel venture
and when all of those lackies die she's like "oh. well, see ya. you're boring now. Valo'thern! "
hollow dock
we will
terse patrol
I think we'll see her again for the N'Zoth raid.
hollow dock
she's Elisande v2.0
steel venture
... oooh man.
i'd actually love to see her get more fucked up
and its literally ONLY her face that stays humanoid
whilst the rest of her is a disgusting mutated mass maybe
terse patrol
Like
steel venture
we've seen that is possible now
terse patrol
We've seen how dark Blizzard is willing to get with Drustvar
Imagine what kinda horror show they could make Azshara for the N'zoth raid.
I think Azshara is going to sacrifice a ton of Naga to N'Zoth, in order for him to be freed.
There's references to NZoth's realm being in a dark forest.
So I'm imagining him having like, fused his body to the fifth world tree.
tulip sun
THEN WE GET NAGA ALLIED RACE