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rich apex
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That and dorf druids

terse patrol
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ye

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wont happen for a while tho

tropic trail
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But that is a point, Wildhammer are pretty similar to the standard Bronzebeard dwarves we play

rich apex
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Given they -could- have just given base dorfs a red eye option

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They already have a light grey skin

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And left it at that

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But instead we got a great DI model

tropic trail
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They could've done the same thing for orcs when where they have their gray skin to act as one of the Blackrock orcs

terse patrol
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All they could give Wildhammers is like

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Unique beards and tattoos

rich apex
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That's totally enough

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DIs are just grey skin, red eyes, and new beards

tropic trail
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But what would their beards be though?

rich apex
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More tribal looking

terse patrol
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Dark Irons are literally “cursed” by Ragnaros.

rich apex
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Bones and feathers

terse patrol
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tbh, having cool fire hair and eyes is hardly a curse

rich apex
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Different class options

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Maybe no paladins, mages, or priests

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But they get druids

tropic trail
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Errr no

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Shamans, sure. Druids? Heck no

terse patrol
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they had druids in the RPG, but thats not canon anymore

rich apex
tropic trail
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Same with the whole Med'an story arc

rich apex
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If thicc bois can be druids

uncut vault
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There are wildhammer involved with some of the druids in BfA

tropic trail
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But that's the thing, Kul'tirans are off-shoots (lore wise) of the Gilneans we see

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So it makes sense they get to be a druid

rich apex
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Gilnaens never learned to shapeshift until they met night elvs

hollow dock
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Kultirans are druids because of Harvest Witches

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Actually there's contestion on that Hyper

tropic trail
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^^

rich apex
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Kul'tirans are druids because of the Drust witches

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There is?

uncut vault
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Kul Tiran druids aren’t druids because of harvest stuff, they’re druids because of the drust

hollow dock
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As Genn does note that watching the night elves shapeshift reminds him of the harvest Witches in gilneas

rich apex
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...Huh

uncut vault
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Wildhammer also live like right next to a connection to the emerald dream

hollow dock
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So do the humans in duskwood

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your point on that one?

rich apex
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It's a possibility

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Like it's not the iconic Wildhammer class

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But it's justifiable

tropic trail
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We don't see Stormwindians being druids, do we?

rich apex
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And it'd help them stand out and give Alliance more druid options

terse patrol
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Stormwind humans are more civilized.

rich apex
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Assuming Blizz still cares about numbers of race/class options

hollow dock
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when I think of wildhammer I think of the iconic shamanistic stormhammer atop a gryphon

tropic trail
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^^

rich apex
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As I said, not the iconic class

terse patrol
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I want

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Wildhammer druids

rich apex
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But more arguable than orc mages 😛

terse patrol
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Just so I can get

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Bearded animal forms

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Bears with beards.

rich apex
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Of course, in the end

tropic trail
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I'mma pull a Mike Morheime "You think you, but you don't."

rich apex
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If Blizz decides they want to do it

terse patrol
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Gryphon form with a beard.

rich apex
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They will not poll us

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And they'll just do it

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omg

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gryphon flight form

hollow dock
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That's bascailly why they dont conform to everything hte community wants Lilo

tropic trail
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True

hollow dock
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Heck, Pap Jeph pointed it perfectly. When he was a game designer in Vanilla he said that he could mail everyone 1000 gold and they'd complain it wasn't 2000.

terse patrol
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Ram travel form.

rich apex
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That is very true

terse patrol
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meh

tropic trail
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But yeah, as Vris said, Wildhammers are more of a shamanistic nature rather than druidic

rich apex
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As I said

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it's possible 😛

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Key word

terse patrol
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if fucking trolls can be druids

hollow dock
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anything is possible

rich apex
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Very true

terse patrol
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Wilderness dwarves can

hollow dock
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Honk

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everyone can be a druid

tropic trail
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^^

rich apex
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#removeclassrestrictions

uncut vault
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Still hoping it’s a wildhammer/high elf combo, since they’re longstanding allies and both have lodge mentalities

hollow dock
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its whether or not enough become druids .

tropic trail
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Same with being a paladin or a priest

rich apex
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Alas, druids are exactly why they won't remove class restrictions

tropic trail
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Think about it, it doesn't make sense to see a gnomish druid does it?

terse patrol
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^

hollow dock
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for a single one off, yea sure it does.

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that's their story.

terse patrol
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SAND GNOME DRUIDS WHEN

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jk

hollow dock
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But a conglomerate of them? nah.

rich apex
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I'd play a sand gnome druid

tropic trail
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Same way with Goblins, forsaken, and orcs.

uncut vault
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I mean, Zandalari Druids and Tauren paladins show that classes can be anything lorewise, with the class as a mechanical representation

tropic trail
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It doesn't make sense

terse patrol
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I’m still waiting for Orc druids tbh

tropic trail
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For the most part, yes. But a forsaken can't be a paladin.

terse patrol
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We see one in Draenor

uncut vault
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Give gnomes mechanical forms and lore that they siphon life, boom gnome druid

tropic trail
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(That wasn't a legit paladin)

uncut vault
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I think they meant orc Druid on Draenor

tropic trail
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Lore wise, forsaken can't connect with the light in such way to be able to wield light in such manner

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Ah

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Pardon

terse patrol
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uh

hollow dock
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that's actually not true Lilo.

uncut vault
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But forsaken can connect to the light just fine

terse patrol
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@tropic trail Alonsus Faol?

uncut vault
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Just causes mental pain

hollow dock
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Scarlet Crusade undead.

tropic trail
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He's a priest. Not a paladin.

terse patrol
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. . .

hollow dock
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They can keep their faith and convictions in undeath

tropic trail
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Scarlet Crusade are void of their holy power for the most part though

hollow dock
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Priest or paladin, its the same light they draw from

terse patrol
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Zekiel or whatever his name is

hollow dock
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They aren't though

terse patrol
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One of the old school Horsemen

tropic trail
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For the most part, not completely

hollow dock
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even under control of a dreadlord they're still all paladins and priests

terse patrol
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The Light answers those who believe their cause is good

hollow dock
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they still use light. Whitemane is a Horseman and she is still connected to the Light, as was Ziek, Whitemanes former.

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Undeath does not mean you can't draw upon the Light, nor is your connection severed. You are the one who severs it

terse patrol
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The Light didnt abandon the Forsaken, the Forsaken abandoned the Light. Well, most of them.

hollow dock
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^

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The Light answers to conviction, righteousness, and fanaticism.

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It doesn't care what those are being forced upon, the victims or the user. When ones faith is lost or broken, that's when the Light abandons them

tropic trail
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"The Knights of the Silver Hand was the original paladin order. Formed during the Second War, it was at its height until the time of the Plague. As paladins were immune to the Plague (and indeed all diseases), many members of the Order survived the initial push of the Scourge."

hollow dock
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Knights of the Silver Hand of old, yes were immune

tropic trail
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But?

hollow dock
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however, our current day paladins do not share this immunity.

terse patrol
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^

hollow dock
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Where did you pull that btw?

tropic trail
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But what about Zekiel? He's was part of the Silver Hand, was he not?

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It's a piece of lore from WCIII

terse patrol
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Paladins can still be killed and raised, Lilo.

tropic trail
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But they won't retain the same power

terse patrol
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Depends.

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Zekiel did.

hollow dock
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Yup Zeliek was a paladin of the original crusade

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before it turned scarlet

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still turned undead adn kept his connection to the Light

terse patrol
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His mind is free, but his body acts against his will.

tropic trail
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Then why didnt Alexandros Mograine?

hollow dock
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He did. Sorta. I wasn't around for the original naxx

terse patrol
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Even Uther, who is a ghost and imprisoned in Frostmourne, is able to project his spirit away from Icecrown to his tomb in the Plaguelands, and bless people.

hollow dock
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but Im seeing here that Mograin did fire damage. Named Righteous Fire.

tropic trail
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According to lore he was severed completely

terse patrol
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Some holy people are just that powerful

hollow dock
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Im looking at the Wowpedia page now

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there's nothing stating that he lost his connection by being raised as a DK

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Now granted that WCIII's comment about paladins being immune hasn't been directly contradicted, it is something to note that most of WCIIIs lore was based on its mechanics. As it's never actually been stated in the lore going forward, it is safe to say its simply outdated.

tropic trail
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But the lore can't be outruled completely, because majority of the lore established by WC 1-3 is still valid as supported by the new books that detail the Canon currently.

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And the Ashbringer doesn't retain any of the properties unless it was cleansed and channeling actual light instead if the necrotic powers the death knights have. This has to at least support something of what I was saying.

dire moss
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I snagged a Alpha invite, if anyone wants to watch or come chat and ask questions let me know!

hollow dock
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Ashbringer isn't what gave Mograin his light abilities

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his faith is

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Like me and Honk were saying, you can be forsaken and still be a paladin or priest in the Light sense because to be able to call upon Light takes faith, conviction, self-righteousness etc. Evil, good, these things dont exist to the Light.

tropic trail
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I wasn't saying he was drawing from the Ashbringer, I'm saying that Ashbringer draws from the wielder which is a clear indication of what they are

hollow dock
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it doesn't though. :l the Ashbringer is made a weapon of Holy Light from the heart of a naaru. Just like the naaru, when introduced with a massive amount of shadow magic andmalice, they turn into shadow. Can be cleansed later on.

tropic trail
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the ashbringer wasn't corrupted from shadow magic tho, it was corrupted by patricide I thought

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also, if it was forged from the heart of a naaru, and it can be cleansed, why didn't we do that with the naaru in seat of the triumvirate?

uncut vault
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god that bronze stuff is so dumb and unnecessary

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and this is coming from someone who loves bronze dragons

uncut vault
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blizz, killing zul in the worst way possible

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offscreen, with a mythic only fight

ruby star
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Glad Blood Elves only got golden eyes and not blue :D

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Means more chance for High Elves for alliance now xD

strange falcon
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still thinks high elves are coming

jovial coral
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Was G'huun made before or after the Val'kyr or the was it the same time?

tulip sun
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AHHH

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I missed the discussion

uncut vault
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Before, because the titans were still around

tulip sun
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What? Vol'jin... you could not have grown so strong without becoming... a...

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Loaaaaaa? 😮

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-and who the fk is Geyarah?-

uncut vault
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Likely. Because facing off against Zalazane

tulip sun
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I mean, I am not complaining

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Kinda expected....

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One of the people we met in WoD

uncut vault
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We did?

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I assumed generic orc lady but that would be cool if we’ve met her

tulip sun
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I mean, I did.

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As long as they develop her

uncut vault
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Also, still no sign of Vereesa at Teldrassil, just night elves for alliance

tulip sun
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Reading that now

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Aw, the ancients even defend Teldrassil 😦

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I love ancients

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Sounds like Shandris is there

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I fear that she is going to die v.v

zinc sandal
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I wonder what the whole golden eyes thing is about

uncut vault
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Still betting its shandris there, not Vereesa

zinc sandal
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It also brings up the question if other mainstream races will get new options

uncut vault
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I dont think there will be much of an explanation, just something elves have in canon now

zinc sandal
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Seems Light-related

tulip sun
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Ya

uncut vault
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Well yeah, since the Sunwell is Light now.

tulip sun
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Look at Liadrin in art

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-waits silently for blue eye options and alliance murdering blizz-

zinc sandal
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Seems some Belves have begun to cleanse from their fel taint

tulip sun
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Their eyes glow whatever kind of magic they use

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High Elves arcane or whatever, Blood Elves fel(and now that the lightwell is cleansed, the light)

uncut vault
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Less what they use, more what they consume

zinc sandal
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^

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Lightforged elves incoming

uncut vault
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Belore’dorei

zinc sandal
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Write it down. Mark my words.

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That actually sounds kinda good

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If not a bit too long

uncut vault
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Or Alah’dorei as a direct translation

zinc sandal
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👌🏻

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Me likey

tulip sun
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They need to add more options like this to other races

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-pushes people back to talk about broadcast text-

uncut vault
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Ion said they wouldn’t but they clearly are so who knows

zinc sandal
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They said it was something they wanted to do, but not a priority

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IIRC

tulip sun
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Maybe the art team is having a little extra time

uncut vault
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Vol’dun will probably be open next build, based on the vulpera text

zinc sandal
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Little extra time? Nonsense! Put them to work.

strange falcon
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@uncut vault ye vulpera text solidifies them as horde,as well as the horde-flagged vulpera vendor NPCs in zuldazar

zinc sandal
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Sethrak for Alliance asdfghjkl yasss

tulip sun
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It does?

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I feel like the Mag'har and Dark Iron are likely coming prepatch or something thouh

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though

zinc sandal
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I don’t see how Mag’har and Dark Iron tie into the story directly, so I would say so, too

tulip sun
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I wanna know who this Geyarah is though

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Are Durotan and Grommash still alive? Whats the deal with them and other leaders that we met.

uncut vault
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Maghar and Dark Iron will be prepatch is my bets

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Grommash is, he’s warchief

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Leads the United Mag’har clan

tulip sun
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I guess he just doesn't come to Azeroth

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I hope he makes appearances

uncut vault
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Me too, Geyarah is probably a military leader now that the orcs there actually need to deal with cooperation and an entire world instead of just war

tulip sun
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Eitrigg recruiting them also kinda suggests that everyone in the embassy will recruit something?

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Thats my hope anyhow

uncut vault
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That or he’s just the only one that really fits

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I can’t see Tyrande or Genn recruiting anyone other then Kaldorei Worgen, so unless they do it together

tulip sun
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I mean, why else would other leaders be there if they didn't have anyone to try and recruit.

uncut vault
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Though genn is Kul Tirans I suppose

tulip sun
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Tyrande doesn't seem to be at the battle- so she must still be in Stormwind or something

uncut vault
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Shame they didn’t put Falstad or Muradin in there

tulip sun
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Ya

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One of the wildhammers are still a

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follower

uncut vault
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Falstad is

tulip sun
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I am going to feel terrible killing newly awakened ancients

ruby star
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Grommash should replace Slyvanas xD

zinc sandal
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Slyvanas

uncut vault
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Seeing how fast ancients grow from Felwood too, they’re probably like, very newly awoken

ruby star
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I can't spell her name okay xD

tulip sun
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Sylvanas

uncut vault
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Slvynanus

tulip sun
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It mentions sleeping thousands of years

ruby star
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xD

tulip sun
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to awaken to this

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So ya

uncut vault
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Poor dudes

tulip sun
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Can you explain to me how this vulpera text confirms horde? I mean, they obviously are horde.

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But I can't see it in the text

uncut vault
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Really wish ancients were still important

ruby star
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But honestly I think High Elves for alliance have a really really High chance now after Blood Elves not getting blue eyes 😄

uncut vault
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Haven’t been any with relevance since MoP and even then it was barely relevant

tulip sun
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They will kill them all at the battle and say they have to regrow seven more expansions to appear again

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Drorith, I somewhat doubt it.

uncut vault
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At this point I think it’s likely, just not soon.

tulip sun
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I mean, technically both blood elves and high elves could have blue eyes once the taint goes away.

uncut vault
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In an expansion or two if they ever follow up on Alleria’s promise, I can see a Hinterlands vs Quel’thalas conflict

ruby star
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Yeeee

uncut vault
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Give elf haters time to settle their rage, actually dedicate time to Quel’thalas

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Playable helfs or not, my dream is to see an HD elf lodge

ruby star
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Yesss 😄 hopefully!

hollow dock
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Yall know the golden eyes isnt from lightforging

uncut vault
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Yeah it’s from sunwell

hollow dock
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OK good. Cuz it does not sound like anyone knows where they came from.

uncut vault
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It’s

ruby star
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xD

inland hamlet
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Hey. Just got access. Does the wowhead looter addon work with alpha? When in the looter options, it declares that "Beta World of Warcraft path is invalid".

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Or should I ask in the Site-feedback-support chat instead?

terse patrol
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Also

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High Elves will likely have golden eyes, since Quel’thalas allows them to live and visit the Sunwell.

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<_<

true matrix
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gold! (gold!) always believe in your sooouuul, you've got the power to know!

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YOU'RE INDESTRUCTIBLE

hollow dock
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Yes but the High elves aren't connected tot he Sunwell like the Blood elves are.

true matrix
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are people really still on the high elf train

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like I admire your tenacity but

hollow dock
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Their trips are more so respect than actual feedings.

ruby star
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@true matrix Yes, I 100% want High Elves for Alliance allied race! 😄

true matrix
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I'm sorry bud but it's not happening

ruby star
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Well for one you don't know that xD

true matrix
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void elves are as close as you're getting., at least for the foreseeable future

hollow dock
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well like. that's just your opinion man

true matrix
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hell, void elves were a stretch considering they had to shave off a subsection of blood elves just to have enough in lore to make the race playable at all

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there are barely any high elves left at all

hollow dock
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Oh please

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like numbers actually matter

ruby star
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Population is not an issue for Allied races

hollow dock
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After what. 7 years now of constant end of the world scenarios that have people dying left and right?

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The horde and alliance shouldn't even exist at this point

ruby star
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^

true matrix
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I think we have enough elves as it is

hollow dock
true matrix
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as much as I love them, even four different kinds is a lot

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if they were going to add high elves, why not put them in instead of void elves?

hollow dock
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because alleria storyarc

ruby star
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^

true matrix
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it doesn't make sense to invent a new subrace just for her though

hollow dock
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Despite the fact that she kinda did make a new race? She is the first after all.

true matrix
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I just can't really see them adding another type of elf into the game, at least not any time soon

hollow dock
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yea well. I couldn't see them adding Allied races until prepatch

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look what happened

true matrix
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some day? maybe. I'm loathe to completely rule out the possibility. it just seems like we've already got a bit of an elf saturation problem 😹

hollow dock
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Id argue we had a saturation of orcs in Pandaria. We got WoD right after.

true matrix
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I'd disagree with pandaria but WoD definitely had hella orc fatigue. that's not really to do with the playable races tho

ruby star
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Honestly I think if High Elves became and Allied race for Alliance those who don't like them or don't want them don't have to play them they are not obliged to 😄

true matrix
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I'm not saying I'd not like to see them, I just don't think it's all too likely

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I tend not to hold too high expectations for blizzard

hollow dock
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we also got a saturation of demons in WoD. (Pandaria had just about 2 years of Orcs with the Barrens patch and SoO right after and WoD had demons for I think 16 months and then legion right after. ) We got Legion which is just even more demons

true matrix
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but hey, I'm welcome to be pleasantly surprised

ruby star
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I mean with the mass amount of support via the community they are getting, it could happen but yeah who knows Blizzard will do what Blizzard wants to do xD

hollow dock
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saturation means nothing

true matrix
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like I said, I'm talking specifically about player races

hollow dock
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Orcs in Pandaria and WoD. The idea of saturation means nothing to blizzard.

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hecken, we're poised to get 4, possibly 6, new allied races over the life of BFA. Saturation means nothing

ruby star
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Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if we get a lot of Allied races in BFA as we've already got a lot confirmed, and wouldn't be surprised if they make more

sudden oak
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please there is no thing as too many elves :^)

sharp bluff
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So what your saying is... Demon allied race when?

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considering their lore population numbers, yes their is such a thing as to many, I already have to deal with half the horde player base being elves, no more lol

gritty idol
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the amount of blood elves is eww

lusty latch
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Pretty sure we're only getting like 12 allies races in BfA. Blizz won't give us more allies then main races. And if the Alliance want High Elves, I say give them to the Alliance. As long Blizz give the Horde the Northrend Vrykuls.

gritty idol
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Horde is supposed to be the misfits, not the pretty people

steel venture
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the only way high elves are happening is if they give high elf customization to blood elves.

ruby star
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Horde could have undead Elves?

steel venture
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traditional high elves, like the ones from WC1 / WC2 literally no longer exist.

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they were the backstory to modern blood elves

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all current high elves are a hollow shell that're more selfish than their claims against blood elves

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and basically the flattest, most uninteresting, most uninspired faction of elf remaining

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since they're literally nothing like their predecessors and just exist to be "pretty humans"

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seriously.
if you replaced the silver covenant with an all-human faction most of the story with them would be unchanged.

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The only unqiue factor the remaining high elves have left is their (recolored) architecture and appearance, that's it.

gritty idol
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Yet they add golden eyes for unknown reason

steel venture
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Golden eyes likely will be a customization option for blood elves based on the fact that the Sunwell is light-based now.

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Similarly to how orcs are getting an upright option.

hollow dock
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why would the Vrykul go against their descendants?

gritty idol
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I could see it looking nice for a paladin but besides that meh

hollow dock
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and the Golden eyes is a thing that should have been done a long time ago

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since the sunwell was BC

steel venture
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(I just hope this means silver eyes for male night elves and amber eyes for female night elves)

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(in the future)

ruby star
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High Elves are still highly likely now xD in my opinion

gritty idol
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We are getting furries and scalies

steel venture
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They have nothing, literally, that would make them viable as an allied race.

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All of their traits have already been done by blood elves and now void elves.

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Void elves had to be 'remixed' to make them distinctly seperate from blood elves too.

hollow dock
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Shush with your logic and reasoning

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it finds no home here

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she-witch! >:C

terse patrol
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gib sethrak

gritty idol
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Xan is right tho

steel venture
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GIVE SETHRAK.

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YES.

hollow dock
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as I said

ruby star
hollow dock
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SHUSH WITH YOUR LOGIC AND REASONING!

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IT FINDS NO HOME HERE!

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DEVILS

steel venture
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idk i just dont see the appeal in playing even paler, aryan-styled elves that're 100% just pretty humans now

hollow dock
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its just something we've wanted since the start of WoW.

steel venture
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they'd need a complete and utter revamp to be viable as an allied race

ruby star
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If they don't appeal to you then don't play them 😄 You're again not obliged to 😃

hollow dock
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Now there's a legitimate chance we can get em

ruby star
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^

terse patrol
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lets agree that sethrak > high elves

strange falcon
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well,vris,you keep denying everyone else's idea for allied races

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it's our time to deny yours

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and we have evidence this time

hollow dock
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Alright?

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Have fun I guess.

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I'll have my fun with it. I'm explaining to Xan the appeal that people have to High Elves.

terse patrol
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sethrak will reign supreme

steel venture
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Sethrak > High elves, yes.
Approved.

terse patrol
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until people make Sethrak vore porn

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<_>

hollow dock
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Already happened

terse patrol
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ffs

steel venture
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And yeah, I know the appeal. It's just like---it's a 99% nostalgia appeal though because god
gags at how the silver covenant is / how veressa is

strange falcon
hollow dock
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Yea god

steel venture
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and how the entire thing is like "we just needed meditation! we don't have a crippling addiction unlike those meanie blood elves uwu"

hollow dock
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how dare she be so spiteful towards the people who killed her husband and left her a single mother

terse patrol
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is their bite their fist fighting animation?

hollow dock
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Well its true Xan

strange falcon
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we dont know what it's used for,but it's a combat animation yes

steel venture
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its their unarmed combat special anim

hollow dock
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High elves in general have never had the exacerbated addiction blood elves do.

steel venture
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so aka their unarmed crit anim

hollow dock
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Sethrak monks with 100% crit

terse patrol
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tbh, the High Elves are the only ones who stood up for the Alliance and didn’t listen to their King when he said to not aid the Alliance in the Second War.

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So

steel venture
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... ngl probably would make a sethrak MW

terse patrol
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They have I N T E G R I T Y

steel venture
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for those serpent-style animations

strange falcon
terse patrol
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Blood Elves are just whiners who refuse to acknowledge that they never actually helped stop the Scourge, and blamed humans when the Scourge showed up at their doorstep after destroying Lordaeron

steel venture
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Not really, but even if we go with that.
High elves still had a lot of things handwaved off as if they were nothing.

hollow dock
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ur not wrong

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but

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ur not right either

sharp bluff
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Vris it is possible, just unlikely, after all humans are mutant deformed Vrykul, and the Vrykul also seem to have an honor system

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I personally doubt it though

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modern humans in wow seem to lack honor

terse patrol
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they also forget that Garithos was the man who saved Quel’thalas from the Orcs in the Second War, and lost his family protecting elves who didn’t do a damn thing protecting the Alliance from the Orcs.

hollow dock
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yea that's why Anduin kills his unarmed prisoner and orders the blight on his own city

steel venture
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We saw how bad the addiction was until high elves somehow get this godly immunity to it through 'peace and meditation and little tiny magic artifacts. uwu'

hollow dock
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owait

sharp bluff
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I said humans, not elves lol

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Sylvanis = elf

hollow dock
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she's undead horde actually

gritty idol
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Anduin is a pretty shitty excuse of a leader

terse patrol
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but ofc

steel venture
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Anduin is like nineteen let him live.

hollow dock
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yea no xan

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god

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how dare a boy

terse patrol
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Garithos is just an empty evil racist man!!! It’s not like he had reasons to distrust Elves.

steel venture
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Eighteen / nineteen. Holy fuck.

hollow dock
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act like a boy

terse patrol
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;P

sharp bluff
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We all know that Graymane is leading the alliance at this point, and using Anduin as a puppet

gritty idol
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pretty much

hollow dock
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Even though there's absolutely no evidence of this

gritty idol
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a cranky old man and a little boy

terse patrol
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oh here we go

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The “Genn is secretly ebol” Hordies.

sharp bluff
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🍿

steel venture
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nah that'd be called a good writing twist if it was happening.

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but blizzard doesnt know how to nuance that so any similarities to it are just incidental

hollow dock
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Blizzard doesn't

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but Golden does

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#ebulgayncumfirmed

gritty idol
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kill off Anduin and Genn and let Muradin lead

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I mean what

hollow dock
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what is it with people on the internet advocating child violence

terse patrol
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i mean, anduin is 18

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he legal ;)))))

steel venture
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TBH I don't even see like, "Genn 'persuading' Anduin's choices" as evil per say.
If it did happen it's just an overbearing projection, given that Genn never was able to guide Liam back on the right path and he ended up being killed for it.

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does that make it any less bad if he started projecting hardcore like that? nah

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but it wouldn't be technically malicious

hollow dock
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no ofc not

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people aren't people

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Theyre just machines to do whatever we want them to

terse patrol
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“genn is evil and manipulating anduin!!!”

sharp bluff
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man he looks...

hollow dock
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Then again

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I dont expect horde to actually understand humanity

sharp bluff
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he actually looks like he is evil though

hollow dock
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considering they tossed theirs away

sharp bluff
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the sunken eyes of a man who only wants corpses to litter the ground

terse patrol
gritty idol
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I can't help but want Anduin and Sylvanas to kill each other

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oh god he's creepy looking

hollow dock
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THERE IT IS AGAIN

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GOD DAMN IT HONK

sharp bluff
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lmao

terse patrol
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🧐

sharp bluff
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Honk where do you get these pics, I need some lol

terse patrol
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i make them

hollow dock
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he made a ton over in the PTR chat

sharp bluff
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you sir or madam, are a genius

steel venture
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tbh. short version of the core ideals for both alliance and horde

Alliance - "Unity and order are the driving forces of strength."
Horde - "Survival of the fittest and outlasting the enemy is strength."

hollow dock
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savage barbarians the lot of them

gritty idol
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Oi

sharp bluff
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Based on those xan, Sylvanis is actually doing her job

hollow dock
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She is

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y'all are too hateful to see she's actually being the best warchief since Blackhand.

gritty idol
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like 2% of the horde likes Sylvanas

steel venture
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She actually is.
She's not being a good person whilst doing it. But she isn't actually going against the Horde.

ruby star
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I don't like Sylvanas

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xD

gritty idol
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She's doing her job

sharp bluff
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Oh I like her as Warchief, I just think they gave Vol'jiin the shaft to soon

hollow dock
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but muh pvp

ruby star
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isn't Vol'jiin becoming a Loa?

gritty idol
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I loved Vol'jiin, love of my life

sharp bluff
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Would be badas

steel venture
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Hell, she's doing more for the survival of the Horde during BFA than Thrall did for the majority of his time as Warchief.

terse patrol
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Anduin is the ultimate leader.

hollow dock
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We dont know exactly Dror.

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GOD DAMN IT NO HONK

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DONT RUIN THE CINEMATIC TOO

gritty idol
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fuck Anduin

sharp bluff
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lmao, you have any orcs Honk?

steel venture
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too late

ruby star
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For the Alliance!

gritty idol
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Fuck the alliance

terse patrol
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You do realize that I’m going to ruin the Burning of Teldrassil right

sharp bluff
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Please do

hollow dock
terse patrol
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Orcs don’t work, their faces arent human enough

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Sadly

gritty idol
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Varian was my only reason for liking the alliance

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but welp he's fucking gone

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or you know he's gonna resurface and i'll be happy

sharp bluff
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darn lol

terse patrol
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Sethrak are the reason to love the Alliance

sharp bluff
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except

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they wont work

terse patrol
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how

sharp bluff
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Cloth 'collars'

gritty idol
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I would play a Sethrak and roleplay as a member of the Horde

steel venture
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vulpera / sethrak are the only logical choice if vulpera become playable

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allied races will come in pairs

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confirmed, by Ion.

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Thus there will be no "neutral" allied race.

sharp bluff
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the cloth collars, how would they work on them, they would have to make them more unique then the reg races by having multiple spots on the neck for the numerous cloth headwear

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I mean it makes sense right?

ruby star
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Sethrak wouldn't really fit Alliance tbh in my opinion

terse patrol
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They made Tauren work.

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why wouldnt sethrak fit

steel venture
gritty idol
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oof

steel venture
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No beast race looks good in a helm.

terse patrol
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^

steel venture
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That's kind of the tradeoff.

sharp bluff
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Xan, now use a cloth collar

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so you get the problem

terse patrol
sharp bluff
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I love that hat

steel venture
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Except worgen's cloth collars literally come out of the back of their neck

gritty idol
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I don't wear helmets on the beast races

steel venture
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like

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puncturing out through the back of their neck

gritty idol
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have you seen the uh rogue heirloom helmet on the worgen

terse patrol
steel venture
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it literally just gets upscaled and stabbed into the back of their neck

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and all of those cloth collars usually clip with night elven ears

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so idk the point of bringing them up

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blizzard doesn't care, they'll bruteforce it

terse patrol
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^

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I still want Sethrak

steel venture
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and they don't look half bad 'n blue/gold. >>

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and they're getting a pretty decent following too similarly to vulpera.

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fff

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as the link breaks

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sec

gritty idol
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I bet they look good in the Zandalari gear

sharp bluff
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items like these

steel venture
sharp bluff
steel venture
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you realize tauren have stupidly long necks too right?
they're just horizondal
it looks equally bad on them.

sharp bluff
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Allaince needs a second cool race besides the Dark Iron, but the snakes just seem like a stretch (snake stretch lol)

steel venture
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seriously just do "view in 3D" and look at it on a male tauren

hollow dock
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helms in general suck tho

sharp bluff
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^

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but they work to an extent

steel venture
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not really since 90% of all helms look godawful on beast races

hollow dock
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Im sorry but the amazonian race of mostly women that have defended Azeroth thrice mostly on their own are the coolest race in this game

terse patrol
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Sethrak seem to have a big furry following, same with Vulpera lmao

steel venture
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overscaled, stretched and misplaced

sharp bluff
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Plus the alliance openly excepting a race the thrives on slavery, and eats intelligent creatures

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Seems a bit, whats the word I am looking for...

steel venture
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Y'know there's a friendly faction of Sethrak that doesn't do that, right?

hollow dock
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Hypocritical?

sharp bluff
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ya that

hollow dock
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Why and how? We fight the horde because theyre the invaders

steel venture
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The enemy sethrak are "faithless" sethrak that go against the loa that created them.

hollow dock
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not on any actual moral grounds

gritty idol
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Alliance aren't exactly perfect if you hadn't noticed

steel venture
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Neither faction is.

hollow dock
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not to mention,the humans enact in slavery all the time

steel venture
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The Alliance are not good guys.

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FFS.

hollow dock
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not in alliance lands, but ya know

steel venture
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They are just more "civil" by comparison to the Horde.

gritty idol
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Azeroth doesn't have good guys

sharp bluff
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nly the orcs are invaders though right? Trolls, Tauren, and sorta the forsaken (they were humans once) all were here already

gritty idol
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The horde is all the folks the Humans find gross

sharp bluff
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^

hollow dock
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Forsaken are the undead invaders, Orcs are the alien invaders same with Ogres, Trolls and Tauren got roped into their clutches.

steel venture
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:T

terse patrol
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SI:7’s second in command is a goblin

steel venture
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"bruh do i got something in my neck?"

hollow dock
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Trolls, Tauren, Pandaren, and Elves all got roped into it.

sharp bluff
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except the forsaken are from Lorderan correct? at least the playable ones

hollow dock
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Not entirely.

gritty idol
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it's not the undeads fault

hollow dock
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the Forsaken we play are just risen undead.

gritty idol
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they didnt ask to be brought back

hollow dock
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that's it. where they came from is up to you

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But they sure do want to stay here in their rotting corpses don't they

steel venture
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Most Forsaken are from Lordaeron, but not all are. Clearly because there's undead high elves, undead Alteraci, etc.

sudden oak
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im quite sure the alliance attacked and hated the trolls before they joined the horde

hollow dock
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We have had our issues with the Amani trolls yes

gritty idol
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Human's are racists

steel venture
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And the Forsaken has taken in undead that were previously apart of the Scourge as well.

gritty idol
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doesnt mean all of the alliance is

hollow dock
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But the Darkspear, the other troll tribes in the horde

steel venture
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(Abominations, Val'kyr, etc.)

hollow dock
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not so much

sharp bluff
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but back to the point, most of the horde are native to azeroth

hollow dock
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Only because they got roped into it by Thrall.

sharp bluff
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Orcs/Space goats are the only 'invaders' in a sense

steel venture
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as i've said before

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alliance - unity
horde - survival

sudden oak
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they didnt get roped into it thrall helped them and they joined him as thanks

sharp bluff
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unity through slavery lol sneks for the alliance

terse patrol
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Draenei are more like refugees.

hollow dock
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^

terse patrol
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Orcs literally invaded

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so

gritty idol
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Each of the horde races were having a hard time, the orcs helped

steel venture
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and as i've ALSO said before
the sethrak that are aiding us are a friendly faction

gritty idol
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the trolls were being attacked by non other than the humans

hollow dock
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Granted the elves did attack the Draenei at first, we still opened negotiation to them

steel venture
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that worship their goddess

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the ones that are spreading chaos

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do not

hollow dock
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Actually the Trolls were being attacked by the Naga and a Sea Witch

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not the humans.

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That came after they had already joined the horde.

sharp bluff
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Elves, back when eh well was around looked down on tauren, so that hate starts way back when

steel venture
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the alliance-friendly flightpoint in vol'dun literally is being run by sethrak too.
so it's basically already slanted in such a direction.

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... lmao what?

hollow dock
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looked down upon=/= hate

steel venture
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tauren were their ALLIES

sharp bluff
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only after they were losing

steel venture
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they viewed them as primative, but didn't hate them

hollow dock
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The tauren may not have approved of the wells usage, but they certainly did not despise them.

sharp bluff
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I'm talking way back when

steel venture
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they never hated them dude

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THEY NEVER HATED THEM?

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holy shit
don't talk elf-lore to the two elf fanatics

gritty idol
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WHY CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG

hollow dock
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there has never been a time when the Tauren and Elves hated each other or evenf ought each other

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they learned and worked together

gritty idol
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Cenarion Circle

hollow dock
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Disapproval does not equate hatred

steel venture
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saying night elves elves thinking tauren are more primative = hatred must mean that furbolg are hated too right? lmfao

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despite them both being ancient allies of the night elves?

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literally blizzard never uses tauren because of the fact that tauren realistically would disprove of most of the shit the horde is doing to the night elves

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and they know that

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so they shove them aside

sharp bluff
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isn't BFA kinda changing that

hollow dock
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no it isn't

sharp bluff
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I could have swore someone said old land claims

hollow dock
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Tauren STILL advocate AGAINST war

sharp bluff
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in this chat

hollow dock
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Yes because the HORDE wants the old tauren camp that was taken from them in Cata

steel venture
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baine and saurfang literally have the same view of the horde during BFA

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that its getting pretty extreme in methods and they don't fully agree with sylvanas because

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GASP
the horde isn't very unified!
because they literally have nowhere else to go!

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without getting slaughtered!

hollow dock
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it's almost likethey dont value unity and stay together for survival or something

steel venture
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cause it isn't like humans clearly have shown they dont give a shit and will butcher tauren similarly to the centaur, nahhh nahh

gritty idol
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Human's aren't nice

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can we just agree on that

hollow dock
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no ones claimed they are

sharp bluff
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Well when we move west, at least we have a nice campfire to roast marshmallows over

hollow dock
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can't hear you from the Undercity

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and arathi. Oh and a great contract with the Cartels in Booty Bay

gritty idol
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This forum is gonna be chaos when the expansion hits

hollow dock
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This is pretty normal tbh

sudden oak
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I mean the horde still has zeppelins going to stranglethorn

hollow dock
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and alliance now controls the area.

sudden oak
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I doubt the cartels will allow that

hollow dock
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Unless we can do business with them

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which, knowing the goblins, they'll happily do.

sudden oak
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yeah but they are still goblins so they will do business with both sides

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as they have always done

steel venture
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tbh the only reason gallywix has more stakes with the horde is because he can manipulate the horde better lol

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since they're more desperate for resources and weaponry

hollow dock
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-if- the horde aren't sabotaged by the alliance due to the fact that they can now operate freely and openly with the cartels

steel venture
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honestly the smartest people outta this whole mess?

hollow dock
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The bilgewater?

steel venture
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the people who profit off of both sides. lmao
that doesn't just go for goblins, it goes for most of the neutral trading factions too

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don't tie yourself to the direct conflict, don't get in the fray, and you'll probably survive as a trader.

sudden oak
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I mean most neutral trading factions are goblins

true matrix
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the real winners in any war are the arms dealers

steel venture
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^

hollow dock
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Except Venture Co

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no one likes Venture Co

steel venture
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Actually Venture Co. by lore is only hated by the other cartels and night elves / tauren.

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It's just in game they're all labeled as mobs to kill for ease of questing.

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Razdunk's actually making an appearance because the Venture Co. took over the Undermine and by extension the Motherlode.

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Since his logic is, "Everyone will consider me a proper trade prince if I control the Azerite."

true matrix
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re: an earlier conversation I don't think it's right to say "the horde is for misfits" and say the blood elves don't belong there when they are... very much misfits as outcasts from the alliance.

hollow dock
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We never said the horde are misfits

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they banded together for a means of survival

true matrix
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you didn't, no, but @gritty idol did

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I think to say the blood elves don't belong in the horde indicates a serious misunderstanding of who and what they are

hollow dock
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Personally I dont think they -belong- there, but their circumstances force them in there. It's worth noting that the elves have wanted to break away from the horde, but someone always messes up negotiations. (Mostly because ya know. can't actually change em but still something worth noting)

sudden oak
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the elves only wanted to break away from the horde once and it was because garrosh was being a garithos 2.0

hollow dock
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Yes, but it's still something to note. While I'm certain Garrosh was a main factor, it certainly wasn't the only one.

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Lor'themar has watched the horde through Cataclysm and Lich King. They've not shown the most stable of governments.

steel venture
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It was mostly Garrosh's escalation that pushed them over the edge TBH.

sudden oak
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the belves never had a problem with the horde before garrosh

steel venture
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Due to the fact that Garrosh literally ordered sin'dorei to be used as fodder for fetching the Divine Bell and other Mogu artifacts.

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Ehh, Lor'themar and Sylvanas don't see eye-to-eye all the time.

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It wasn't as SEVERE of a problem until Garrosh.

hollow dock
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it was the straw that broke the camels back, yes. But how the horde in general is, there are individuals that have shown distaste for the horde but as I said. Garrosh is what pushed it over the edge.

steel venture
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Mhm.

sudden oak
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I think he only had a small problem with sylvanas when she ordered him to send his forces to northrend

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and threatened him with retiring forsaken troops from the ghostlands

hollow dock
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that's not even their only problem they've had

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Sylvanas has openly wanted to raise Sin'dorei as forsaken and dark rangers

steel venture
#

And the main difference between Sylvanas in BFA and Garrosh during MoP is this:
Garrosh didn't care about what happens to the other members of the Horde, he viewed them as nothing more than bodies to throw at the enemies, and then later he wanted to exterminate everyone but the orcs.

Sylvanas may reference the other races as the "arrows in her quiver" but she is not planning to toss away the Horde like it was nothing.

hollow dock
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you tend to hold arrows until theyre needed

steel venture
#

And the acceptance of the Nightborne and Highmountain Tauren clearly shows that she isn't assimilating them either, she just is making sure they know what they get into.

hollow dock
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but to be fair, that is just her manipulative side.

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As soon as they stop being useful, I garuntee she'll drop them

steel venture
#

Which is what she does say to Saurfang ^

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If he isn't going to fight then she has no use for him in her Horde.

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Since he wants to die instead of lose.

hollow dock
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which is reflective of Garrosh and his Kor'kron

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only difference is that Garrosh wouldn't leave em. He'd gut em himself

steel venture
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Yes, but under different circumstances by comparison--And that too.

#

Sylvanas will let you stew in your own choices, and not be there to pick you back up if you fall without her command.

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Since she's not wasting her time on those who are disloyal to her.

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That's 100% IC for her.

hollow dock
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yup. She's not exactly Garrosh, but the similarities cannot be denied between them.

steel venture
#

Nope, of course not.
Unlike Garrosh though, she know better than to destroy the Horde from within from her choices.

sharp bluff
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idk it seems like from the leaked video and text that Suarfang had no plans to leave with Sylvanais, where as if she stayed to retrieve the old orc she would risk herself dying also

terse patrol
#

Going to enjoy killing Nightborne in Zandalar with the Dark Irons. 8) Damn traitors.

sharp bluff
#

Saurfang at this point is going senile

steel venture
#

... Realistically why would you send the leader of the faction to save one person.

hollow dock
#

You can betray a faction you were never apart of tho

steel venture
#

And Nightborne weren't ever Alliance, so they're not traitors.

sharp bluff
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That also lol, Nightborne never were alliance, so not traitors

hollow dock
#

Saurfang saw this as his final stand. The hordes final stand. A glorious battle to die in.

#

So to hear 'retreat'

#

that's a huge offense

steel venture
#

And he's an orc ... So he's going to make a big stink about not dying and "cowardly retreating."

#

Since orcish culture is fucking suicidal.

sharp bluff
#

Senile at this point, shame no AU Saurfang

hollow dock
#

Senile isnt the right term

steel venture
#

If you run you're worse than dirt.
If you stay and fight until you die and go down laughing at your enemy, you're a hero.

hollow dock
#

They're warriors, much like the Vikings and Vrykul, they live to die in glorious battle and gain honor for their tribes.

#

Their main method of settling fueds is a literal fight to the death

steel venture
#

I AM FOREVER UPSET AT THEM FUCKING UP HELYA'S STORY SO MUCH. Hel was never evil in nordic mythos!!! fuck off blizz!!!!

#

she literally was the one who ended up taking care of the people that didnt die gloriously enough. since odin (and by extension, WoW's Odyn) was a dick

hollow dock
#

technically neither is Helhiem. It's just -corrupted- and -corrupting- because of Helya's corruption

steel venture
#

yeah.
she ended up stewing in hatred thanks to loken

hollow dock
#

since Helhiem is apart of the shadowlands and all that

terse patrol
#

The Nightborne betrayed the Night Elves in favor of isolationism. 😉

sudden oak
#

I kinda wished we could have sided with helya instead of her going evil and wanting to rule everything

terse patrol
#

At least the Highborne had the wisdom of returning to the fold. . .

steel venture
#

... uh.

#

not really

#

suramar was literally doomed if they didn't shield up

#

ashamane sacrificed herself to give them enough time to do so

terse patrol
#

disgust nightborne reeee

steel venture
#

since there was a mass of demons barreling down on the city. lead by powerful lieutenants.

terse patrol
#

Dark Iron justice is coming for them!!!

steel venture
#

hell the suramar we have in game is only a fraction of the city

#

it extended down into the broken shore

#

(also i assume tho dark iron and mag'har = prepatch)

#

if dark irons are already alliance by that point in BFA

#

well

#

the new ones

#

i mean

#

the rest of 'em

terse patrol
#

I assume the Dark Iron mission is just to take out the last remaining Dark Iron dissidents.

steel venture
#

probably.

#

and mag'har is just "hey do you guys want to actually help now? sorry about closing the portal on you."

terse patrol
#

Yrel and the Draenor Draenei when

steel venture
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probably not anytime soon

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if horde has to bargin with the bronze dragonflight to go back to AU draenor

gritty idol
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Do we have any idea on their racials?

steel venture
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not yet

sudden oak
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I mean draenor draenei are the same as normal draenei

gritty idol
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Mag’har are the same minus the demon blood

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So I assume they would be similar

steel venture
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yeah the main reason mag'har are a thing is because they're still orcs but---uncorrupted orcs are different enough in appearance to be made into an allied race lmao.

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the issue with helves is that literally
a helf
and a belf
are basically 99.9% the same.

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outside of political differences and a slight tan from fel + slight eyecolor change

gritty idol
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Meh I’m still hyped to be a normal orc

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I hope they keep some of the racism’s

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Racials

hollow dock
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They probably wont.

gritty idol
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Like the pet damages

steel venture
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honestly i'm probably not even gonna consider my mag'har to be AU tbh

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since there's been MU mag'har that've been Horde for a long while too

gritty idol
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You could be a Mag’har from outlands lol

hollow dock
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Considering that the Dark Iron dont show any of the same racials normal dwarves

steel venture
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they're just pullnig out the AU to give them bigger numbers

gritty idol
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Dark iron I feel would be good at engineering

steel venture
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mole machine brah

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sounds literally like an open world flight whistle

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its gonna be glorious

sudden oak
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And fire dmg resistance

terse patrol
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Dark Irons get 1% physical damage resistance

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so they might make for good tanks

gritty idol
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How would you know that

hollow dock
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their racials were put up iirc.

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Like what they do and junk

terse patrol
ruby star
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Racials
Dungeon Delver: While indoors, move 4% faster.
Fireblood: Removes all poison, disease, curse, magic, and bleed effects and increases your primary stat by 100 for each effect removed. Lasts 8 sec. 2 min cooldown.
Forged in Flames: Reduces damage taken from Physical attacks by 1%.
Mole Machine: While outdoors, summon a Mole Machine that tunnels through the earth. 30 min cooldown.
Mass Production: Items crafted by Blacksmithing are created twice as quickly.

hollow dock
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tbh because Mole Machine has the same CD has hearthstone, I think its just a racial hearthstone

steel venture
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hm.

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honestly probably then

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given that dwarven stuff has been given their own type of hearthstones before

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EX: The Innkeeper's Daughter is just another herathstone that comes from Dwarven Archeology.

sudden oak
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I really want to know about the zandalari racials

terse patrol
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Dark Irons are hearthstone gods, then

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we’ll have like

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what

sudden oak
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City of gold sounds amazing tbh

terse patrol
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5 or six hearthstones?

steel venture
#

DUDE IMAGINE DARK IRON SHAMANS

hollow dock
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so lets see

steel venture
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astral recall
innkeeper's daughter
the TCG hearthstones
the garrison hearthstone
the dalaran hearthstone
and the default hearthstone
ontop of fucking mole machine

terse patrol
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Maximum questing mobility

hollow dock
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thats the Dark Portla hearthstone. garrison. Innkeepers, dalaran. default. astral recall. OH YOU FORGOT THE RUBY SLIPPERS!

terse patrol
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We’re getting hearthstones for Boralus and Zandalar too

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So ye

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Yet another

hollow dock
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our bags will be filled with -just- hearthstones at this point

terse patrol
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tbh im fine with that

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more questing mobility

hollow dock
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no room for anything else

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-just. hearthstones-

terse patrol
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“i need something.” hearths to town, then hearths back to continue questing

hollow dock
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"oh shit my auctions just finished. Damn it." hearths back. then hearths back again.

steel venture
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... ooh

terse patrol
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Dark Iron supremacy

steel venture
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prior to BFA it seems like they're adding in red dragon hate for DKs lmao

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due to the whole mount questline

hollow dock
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yas

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finally

steel venture
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god bless

terse patrol
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good

hollow dock
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reprocussions

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Good thing I wasn't a tool and spared all the dragons

steel venture
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yes they literally shout and scream at the Deathlord to get out basically if they did kill everyone

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and if not, they're like "...we appreciate your. ... restraint but, still. go away."

hollow dock
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they thank you for the restraint knowing it's not easy for a deathknight to stay their hand

steel venture
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also so vol'jin is becoming a loa afterall it seems

hollow dock
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do we know who's going after his ashes?

sudden oak
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I think it's Zalazane

hollow dock
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I thought so until the last line.

sudden oak
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Since it talks about getting tortured by bwoamsandi

gritty idol
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a loa?

hollow dock
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Years ago, I trained Zalazane and Vol'jin to master their craft. I never would have guessed how their destinies would shake de world.

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Is that Sen'jin maybe?

gritty idol
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Zul'jiin

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wait nvm he's a witch doctor

sudden oak
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Maybe bwoamsandi himself trained them

hollow dock
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He couldn't have. Because why would Bwoamsandi torture himself?...

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`Search, minions. Find the ashes of Vol'jin and bring them to me.
Crush da Darkspear and find me those ashes.
Where are you hiding him, Darkspear? Where is my old friend?
Where? Where are you hiding Vol'jin? How are you hiding him?
Minions! Slay their champion and bring me da ashes of Vol'jin. NOW!
You cannot hide him from me forever. I will have my revenge on Vol'jin and all of da Darkspear!
I have learned much by watching Bwonsamdi as he tortured my soul. Let me show you some of his style of voodoo.
You think you can win? You can only delay ya destiny.
You think destroyin' my body gonna stop me from ripping you apart?
What? Vol'jin... you could not have grown so strong without becoming... a...

Years ago, I trained Zalazane and Vol'jin to master their craft. I never would have guessed how their destinies would shake de world.`

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that is not Bwoansandi talking

sudden oak
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I doubt all the quotes are from Zalazane

hollow dock
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I dont think tis even Zalazane

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because

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look at the last line

sudden oak
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All the quotes except the last one belong to him

hollow dock
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where does it say this one?

sudden oak
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Since Zalazane is in the necropolis tied and surely being tortured

hollow dock
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well sure. But where does it state that this dialogue is from him?

sudden oak
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Nothing states its him but I don't know anyone else that fits that description but him

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He wants revenge about what happened in the echo isles and he is being tortured by bwoamsandi in the necropolis

hollow dock
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What confuses me is the last line. Since Zalazane and VOl'jin have different mentors into Voodoo

terse patrol
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I think its Bwomsamdi

sudden oak
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Maybe they learned the basics from different master's but Bwoamsandi helped them hone their voodoo skills

hollow dock
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that doesn't make much sense. unless they're adding that in. No where has it ever stated of Bwoansamdi's existence until cataclysm

sharp bluff
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it makes sense, they just kinda throw stuff in anymore (Like the Velf legion)

hollow dock
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that's not throwni n though...

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that's an expansion upon something the elves have already done.

sharp bluff
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all the text of the velf's never ending?

hollow dock
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To throw it in is to fill a void in the past story

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I dont comprehend Zep

tropic trail
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If there is Lightforged Draenei, I wonder if some have fallen so far to the void that some become "Voidforged" or "Shadowforged"?

sharp bluff
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🤔

hollow dock
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That'd be what the void elves are, Sleep.

tropic trail
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ye but those are ikky elves

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we need more space goat love

hollow dock
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there's no more to be had. Any draenei that exist went with Velen, Faheera or Archimonde.

tropic trail
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I also wonder if we'll get playable Eredar since some of them did help us

hollow dock
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they help us so they wouldn't get hunted and killed. Not because they want to join us.

tropic trail
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that is true, though what about that dude in the Underbelly of dal.

hollow dock
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I dont know much about him. I've never had a questline with him.

tropic trail
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he's sorta just there (For rogue stuff)

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For the rogue you get to talk to him.

hollow dock
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ah. I dont got a rogue so that'd be why.

tropic trail
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You get info from him about something (I forgot what) but he just stays down there

hollow dock
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probably the safest place for him

tropic trail
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also. with some of the Eredar who didn't use Fel but used Void they seemed to have a Purpleish taint to them and not red like the other eredar

hollow dock
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I dont remember seeing eredar using exclusively void magic

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other than that 1 sister

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in sunwell

sudden oak
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the krokul in mac'aree

tropic trail
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Within the Demon hunter starting area, in that shadow area some of the Eredar do. and they aren't red but purple

hollow dock
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makes sense, but theyre still with the Legion.

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and the Krokul aren't leaving argus anytime soon.

tropic trail
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Yes, but they don't use anything with fel

tranquil steeple
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Sleep, IIRC the info we get is regarding the Dreadblades artifact weapon.

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From the Eredar dude in Dala sewers

tropic trail
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Ohh yeeee

hollow dock
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they're still with the Legion though. and they do have fel lines on them, theyre just purple and not red

tropic trail
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mnakes ye think

sudden oak
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also im in love with the golden eyes for the blood elves murloc

tropic trail
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it's cuz their drawing there "mana" from the sunwell now

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so it makes sense

sudden oak
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I know but still they look so cool

hollow dock
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its only about damn time for them to get it

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they've been drinking light for so long and blizz promised us that in the future it might happen

tropic trail
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I wonder what side the high elves would side with if we get them

hollow dock
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Probably still blue eyes. since they dont feed on the Sunwell.

tropic trail
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no

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like ally or horde

terse patrol
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Can we all agree that Dark Iron grills are waifu material?

hollow dock
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Alliance. Why would that change?

sudden oak
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im not in to waifus so

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

hollow dock
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theyve always will be and always have been alliance

tropic trail
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i just wanna see Kul druids forms besides the bear

hollow dock
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I imagine we'll get more 'dead tree' animals

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imagine a moonkin in that pagan-style

terse patrol
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I’m pretty sure 90% of Dark Irons will have red hair

tropic trail
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they are Harvest Witches so

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it's not really animals but more nature

hollow dock
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its about half and half.

sharp bluff
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the moon kin form will be a wicker man lol

tropic trail
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Lol

sharp bluff
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but that would be cool

hollow dock
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I wonder what their tree form will look like

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when they pop incarnation

tropic trail
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a tree stump sad

sharp bluff
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no leaves?

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come to think of it the Zan tree form....

hollow dock
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This is something that must be tested first thing the zandalari are released onto the alpha/beta

sharp bluff
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I agree

tropic trail
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What if the final bosses will be Anduin and the bitch queen?

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(I really don't like slyv.. i don't even know how to spell her name)

terse patrol
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you watched the Taliesen video

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I say no

tropic trail
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whos Taliesen?

hollow dock
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Sylv

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anas

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Why would Anduin and Sylvanas be the final bosses what

terse patrol
#

you literally just said what their new video is talking about

tropic trail
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really?

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huh

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Where is Mal stromrage in bfa?

hollow dock
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we dont know. probably invading Kalmindor

terse patrol
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probably dead

tropic trail
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Or dead

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^ yep lol

hollow dock
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we can only hope

tropic trail
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Lol

terse patrol
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p sure he’ll die at Teldrassil

hollow dock
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I doubt it

tropic trail
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I mean he has a whore of a wife so. i can see why he'll want to kms

terse patrol
#

I wonder which Horde character will die at Teldrassil

sudden oak
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I think either shandris or malf die in teldrassil

hollow dock
#

I still 100% believe that Veressa dies there

sudden oak
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I hope its malf tbh

hollow dock
#

considering the art for the Burning

tropic trail
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^ true

ruby star
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Veressa beter not die xD

tropic trail
#

But we still don't know who that random elf is

ruby star
#

better*

hollow dock
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I 100% believe it's Veressa.

tropic trail
#

ALSO

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Whats with the shadow icon in Org when you look through that scope for like a min

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anyone find out why it's there?

terse patrol
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Pretty sure Vereesa dies, and thats why Sylvanas gots crying makeup in the BFA cinematic

hollow dock
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the alliance spying on the horde.

ruby star
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if Veressa dies it gives even more reason for us to have High Elves alliance allied race!

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We can get revenge!

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or try

tropic trail
#

Why is there a shadow rune in Org when you look through that scope or like a min

hollow dock
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: the alliance spying on the horde.

tropic trail
#

But it's a shadow rune... it has nothing to do with ally?

hollow dock
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Oh my

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do you not know what recently got added to the alliance?

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V O I D elves?

tropic trail
#

that same symbol is Mac'aree?

terse patrol
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goblin telescope

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aimed at a random wall

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Almost feels like Gallywix is getting signalled. woke

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Pretty sure Gallywix is gunna die this expac

sudden oak
#

also we dont know if the dying elf in the burning of teldrassil art is a high elf or a night elf

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so it could be Vereesa, Shandris or random elf #34

sharp bluff
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I am ALL for Gally dying, but we have no other famous island goblins