the very reason for the BLood knights exisstance is becuae the think that uther was the one that tranied arthas to destroy sivlermoon
#beta-ptr-spoilers
true matrix
it's almost as if... they have... always... existed...
sturdy canyon
and the very founder of the silver hand is uther
dense plover
oh my god
true matrix
Now That's What I Call Bullshit: Vol 54!
dense plover
you are so wrong
you cant just make shit up
read chronicles
read anything
read the fucking mediocre wiki
ruby star
xD
true matrix
that's not why the blood knights exist AT ALL you ignorant twerp
dense plover
its more accurate than you are right now
hollow dock
Alonsus and Uther did make the Silver Hand
true matrix
I can't wait for another video from an unverified source
hollow dock
but Blood Knights were created POST ARTHAS as they STOLE LIGHT to fight the UNDEAD.
true matrix
same thing right?
hollow dock
The Blood Knight order was first conceived by Grand Magister Rommath and Astalor Bloodsworn, two master magi who had sought to find a better use of Prince Kael'thas Sunstrider's gift to Silvermoon: the naaru, M'uru. After the magi had successfully pacified the being, Rommath summoned the former high priestess, Liadrin, and told her of his plans to create a new order of Light warriors who wielded their powers through sheer willpower - masters of their power, not servants of it. Liadrin, whose life had been led by extremities (a devout, pious priestess to a vengeful warrior), agreed to consider the offer in the hope of finding balance, and after an introduction to M'uru, pledged herself to lead this new order. She rose as Lady Liadrin, Matriarch of the Blood Knight order. Rommath had met Liadrin years before, in the immediate aftermath of the Scourge invasion of Quel'Thalas, and had noted the former priestess' contempt for the Light.[4]
dense plover
"The Blood Knights are an order[3] of blood elves formed in Quel'Thalas in year 25.[4] The members of the order are simply referred to as blood knights,[5] bloodknights, knights[4] and paladins.[6][7]
With the strong support of the Magisters and the blood elven guard force, the former of which had a hand in their creation, the Blood Knights rose from unproven and scorned beginnings to become a popular group within sin'dorei society.[4] They are led by their matriarch, Lady Liadrin, who was the first of their order.
Most Blood Knights were once members of the Royal Guard, proud defenders of high elven society.[6] After the Third War, the vast majority of the high elves took up the name "blood elves" in honor of their slaughtered people, and in the wake of their ancient kingdom's destruction, many of the elves of Quel'Thalas came to view the Holy Light with contempt. This led to a great number of the blood elves losing their faith, and in turn, their Light-given powers,[8] coming to believe that the Light had failed them in their homeland's hour of greatest need.[6] Thus, they needed to find a new way to access the Light. They did this by sapping Light energy from the captive naaru M'uru held beneath the Blood Knight headquarters. In a mad lust for power, Kael'thas Sunstrider sent the felblood to attack Silvermoon City and seize M'uru for his own personal uses. The Blood Knights vowed to aid A'dal and the Shattered Sun Offensive in defeating Kael'thas, Kil'jaeden, and restoring their homeland to its glory.
With the Sunwell's rebirth, the Blood Knights have chosen to embrace it and to forge for themselves a new identity as they lead their people into a more promising future.[9]"
hollow dock
no where in here does it say they made Blood Knights because of Arthas
sturdy canyon
Some time after the blood elves joined the Horde, Mehlar Dawnblade, a former student of Uther, wanted to defile Uther's Tomb for training Prince Arthas.
true matrix
OH BOY
dense plover
thats way later
true matrix
ONE (1) PERSON WANTED TO DO A THING
dense plover
thats so much later
sturdy canyon
they are called the blood knights in membory of there dead...
hollow dock
No they aren't
true matrix
I'm crying this is so bad
sturdy canyon
why would an entire paladin order call them self after there dead
sturdy canyon
because they are against uther and his teachings
true matrix
headdesks
hollow dock
just read what we posted
dense plover
holy shit
true matrix
THEY'RE. BLOOD. ELVES
sturdy canyon
its logic
true matrix
YOU CAN'T JUST MAKE SHIT UP
dense plover
im done arguing with someone who is so wrong it isnt funny
true matrix
AND CALL IT LOGIC
dense plover
^
sturdy canyon
I dont make it up
dense plover
just block them
true matrix
YOU REALLY DO
hollow dock
You are making it up
dense plover
you are
sturdy canyon
in BC blood knights even had special spells
hollow dock
this is the founding of the blood knights
true matrix
read. READ YOU FOOL. READ SOME GENUINE LORE
sturdy canyon
to show that they did not follow uther
dense plover
just stop listening to them
hollow dock
Blood knights did not have different spells to NORMAL PALADINS
hollow dock
Again, https://wow.gamepedia.com/Blood_Knights#Founding read this first opening paragraph
sturdy canyon
I will
dense plover
jesus
sturdy canyon
but you guys show much anger
dense plover
if you havent read that
hollow dock
Here I'll put it here so you can read it really fast
dense plover
where the fuck are you getting what you are saying
hollow dock
The Blood Knight order was first conceived by Grand Magister Rommath and Astalor Bloodsworn, two master magi who had sought to find a better use of Prince Kael'thas Sunstrider's gift to Silvermoon: the naaru, M'uru. After the magi had successfully pacified the being, Rommath summoned the former high priestess, Liadrin, and told her of his plans to create a new order of Light warriors who wielded their powers through sheer willpower - masters of their power, not servants of it. Liadrin, whose life had been led by extremities (a devout, pious priestess to a vengeful warrior), agreed to consider the offer in the hope of finding balance, and after an introduction to M'uru, pledged herself to lead this new order. She rose as Lady Liadrin, Matriarch of the Blood Knight order. Rommath had met Liadrin years before, in the immediate aftermath of the Scourge invasion of Quel'Thalas, and had noted the former priestess' contempt for the Light.[4]
dense plover
you should stop being an idiot about lore
we said things
and then you said "but my logic"
which is another way to say, but i believe
and you cant believe facts
you cant choose whether global warming is happening
you cant choose to believe in gravity
hollow dock
climate change* but yea
dense plover
and you cant choose to believe what is canon
true matrix
we're less angry and more just frustrated you have been ignoring literally everything we've been telling you about the canon
dense plover
it either is or isnt
true matrix
it's like talking to a brick wall, except the brick wall has a speaker in it that plays a clip of someone saying "but my logic" over and over
sturdy canyon
The Blood Knights were a key component in the blood elves joining the Horde; Thrall and Cairne Bloodhoof themselves noting the considerable power of the order—though opposing their methods just as much as the Farstriders did. With their new alliance sealed, a regiment of Blood Knights began to wrestle Halaa from the Draenei and their own new allies after the journey into Outland.
sturdy canyon
why would the blood knights be the key to joinoing the horde
dense plover
we played pandaria
sturdy canyon
since they was against Uther an the alliance
tulip sun
You guys said previously it was fake, lol. Or some people did
sturdy canyon
there is one but many facts
dense plover
no
it isnt
you are stating a belief as fact
they didnt make decisions "because they hated uther"
there is no evidence of that anywhere
true matrix
it literally says in the paragraph you quoted. "Thrall and Cairne Bloodhoof themselves noting the considerable power of the order"
dense plover
^
sturdy canyon
they did not hat him, but many blamed uther for silvermoons destrution
true matrix
they were key because of the POWER of the order not because they hate uther or some other bullshit reason
dense plover
you are making your decisions based on your own bias
hollow dock
NO WHERE
dense plover
and you are making wrong ones
sturdy canyon
I am not my dear friends
true matrix
you are. you are making. so much shit up
hollow dock
please show me where LOR'THEMAR AND ALL OF SILVERMOON HATES UTHER
PLEASE
SHOW ME
DONT TELL
SHOW
hollow dock
A Blood Knight named Mehlar Dawnblade would oversee the order's activities within Forsaken lands, and would task adventurers with defiling Uther the Lightbringer's tomb in Lordaeron. To his surprise, the Lightbringer did not fault him for his actions, and urged him to instead turn his rage into helping to rebuild beautiful Quel'Thalas. Mehlar would later attempt to create a powerful anti-Scourge item named [Scourgebane]; the Blood Knights even enlisting the help of Lady Sylvanas Windrunner to this end.[13]
this is the only interaction ANY blood knights have
with Uther
true matrix
one (1) person does not an entire order make
sturdy canyon
many of the human paladins also blame uther for lorderons destrution (they say in the WC3 capmagn) I dont udnerstand why uther wouched for you
you say one
and it showes as one
true matrix
yes. because there is only evidence. for O N E
sturdy canyon
but at the bulwark in "real" size there should have been more troops and blood knights
everything wow is down scaled
dense plover
no
hollow dock
So many blocked messages.
sturdy canyon
but blizzard said that town that where not capitol cityes should have been smaller
I have been here since 2005
I know my Lore, but I can also be wrong
true matrix
you have been wrong this entire time
sturdy canyon
it give me joy that you guys are so toghether on the same idea
true matrix
this whole conversation
sturdy canyon
A person who tells another that he is wrong does not know what he speaks of, since there can be many points of view
so just chill and calm down
hollow dock
Points of view don't matter
true matrix
opinion is not the same as fact
sturdy canyon
ofc is does
sturdy canyon
its a fantasy world
hollow dock
it doesn't matter what you think
true matrix
so... you willfully choose to be ignorant of canon because it's a fantasy world?
hollow dock
That canon has said 'no' to your 'view points'
true matrix
god, my head hurts
sturdy canyon
you state something that you think is right
hollow dock
We aren't
sturdy canyon
I showed you the fact
tropic trail
You think you do, but you really don't.
high crag
They are stating actual lore, you are stating things your mind has made up.
dense plover
^^^
sturdy canyon
Vris, of all that speaks here, you should just chill and read, since you tought that the horde controled stromgarde.... Hilalrous
true matrix
we showed you the canon over and over and you haven't been paying attention to any of us, just citing obscure solo instances or completely made up ideas to support your arguments
sturdy canyon
they did not
dense plover
we lost that when the DKs came in and killed the prince
sturdy canyon
Gallen splitted from sylvannas
hollow dock
^@Peach
sturdy canyon
he took it back with his own undead forces
dense plover
.....
sturdy canyon
I got so angry when I saw that
ruby star
How about we move on and Discuss BFA? 😄 xDD
hollow dock
This is all in relation to BFA
tropic trail
But its spiraling into chaos quick
ruby star
Oh right sorry I didn't read the whole thing xD
true matrix
@ruby star understandable, I wouldn't want to inflict that on myself if I hadn't been here the whole time
hollow dock
Dont bother Drorith. It'll make you so very....depressed.
tropic trail
Im already depressed
true matrix
oh mood
sturdy canyon
With Trol'kalar in hand, he abandoned Sylvanas and the Forsaken and rallied his undead citizens and soldiers. He declared himself the king of the ruined kingdom of Stromgarde, which he intended to rule independently from the Alliance and the Horde
here is the facts
hollow dock
Oh hey he finally spelt fact right
tranquil steeple
Let's see, Horde controlled the zone Stromgarde is in, and thus Stromgarde... Gallen split off from Sylvanas, which clearly points that horde control of Stromgarde was recently lost, and thus liberated by the Death Knights.
So yeah Vris and co
is in the right
dense plover
which makes it a free for all
tranquil steeple
from waht I can see
dense plover
as we said
tranquil steeple
what*
hollow dock
in which, Ebon Blade didn't keep hold of Stromgarde.
sturdy canyon
hahahaha
hollow dock
once we get Thoras, we leave.
dense plover
^
sturdy canyon
the Death knights is there own faction
hollow dock
So Stromgarde goes to whoever holds the rest of arathi. and that is the horde.
tranquil steeple
And they didn't seize control of Stromgarde since that wasn't what they were out after
dense plover
while horde builds up opposite the keep
sturdy canyon
the Ogres and the syndicate has the rest of the keep
hollow dock
they used to until Gallen.
hollow dock
And then us. the DKs.
sturdy canyon
anyway, been great to talk to you, its always good to speak to like minded people ^^ wish you all great evening, and a good talk
dense plover
😬 🙄 😬
sturdy canyon
at the end of it all I think good things about you all, no hard feelings
hollow dock
that's why we hate and love each other Sela
tranquil steeple
Wait, we do? Did I end up out of the loop?
hollow dock
yes. =D
tranquil steeple
Must have missed the memo.
true matrix
we're like family. a very dysfunctional family
dense plover
you mean the average family
hollow dock
This is pretty normal for me too.
dense plover
most families are dysfunctional in some way by modern standards
human beings werent meant to be adults living all in one building
tranquil steeple
Being normal is overrated.
true matrix
normal is fake
dense plover
its a stereotype perpetuated by television
true matrix
normal is fake, time is fake, gender is fake. existence in general is probably fake
tranquil steeple
It's a means of control so the government can eat our cereal... I like to eat my cereal by myself, thanks.
hollow dock
We are most likely in a simulator
true matrix
optimisitc nihilism states nothing in life matters so just enjoy it
tranquil steeple
It's cereal business after all.
hollow dock
yea like the FBI agent that's watching me through my camear
tulip sun
I still can't find the hozen in database
dense plover
database is kind of a mess
lots of stuff is missing
also, make sure you are on BfA alpha mode
yeah
even the current models are pretty broken
ruby star
I'm honestly really looking forward to BFA, I'm also glad to see Allied races walking around cities 😄 instead of being like ignored xD
dense plover
yeah, they have questlines and npcs and stuff
its great that the new feature wasnt sidelined
jovial coral
you mean the NSA
hollow dock
nah its an FBI agent. I can see em across the street and they can see me in my computer.
jovial coral
They must be into wow spoilers
But tbh they might actually know what blizzard is headed with bfa exactly
true matrix
they could tell you, but then they'd have to kill you
ruby star
XD
hollow dock
Oh they know 100%
ruby star
Do you think Horde or Alliance will win this war? or none?
rich apex
They won't tell half the player base 'sorry you lost'
(Siege doesn't count, the Horde PCs valiantly overthrew a mad tyrant and saved the Horde (with the Alliance's help))
ruby star
good point
rich apex
Luckily N'zoth will burst out of the ground in 8.2 and interrupt the faction war
hollow dock
no one ever wins this war
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVZNbmWnWHY
This is what happens every single time the Horde and Alliance fight
jovial coral
Wrathion is coming for N'zoth
hollow dock
I honestly dontthink Wrathion cares/knows about N'zoth
sudden oak
I really hope blizzard knows wrathion still exists
the last time we saw him was in the deaths of chromie
and before that in pandaria
rich apex
'the horde needs to wipe out the alliance so they're strong enough to stop n'zoth'
'no wait the alliance needs to wipe out the horde to stop n'zoth'
Are we -sure- Wrathion isn't corrupted by the Old Gods like daddy
tropic trail
I'm sad Wrathion was nowhere to be seen in legion
He should've been fighting with us
rich apex
We didn't need Wrathion
rich apex
We already had Illidan tell us how he'll ~do anything~ to stop the Legion
Which didn't actually involve much beyond vaporizing the being who was actually fighting the Legion
(and the keystone, I guess)
sudden oak
also I doubt wrathion is corrupted by n'zoth since his bond to azeroth shouldnt be strong enough for the old god to influence him
sudden oak
I mean his been a prisoner even before being born and hearing how they will make him a puppet
rich apex
Eh, I'm sure they can find a way
But still
Wrathion has literally never made a situation better
sudden oak
and having the responsabilty to repopulate the black dragonflight and protect azeroth from the legion when he got that vision
he tried
but it didnt end well
rich apex
He tried via hoping one side would wipe out the other
But then couldn't decide on which side
sudden oak
all that shit meanwhile being 3 years old would make you kinda fucked up
ruby star
Question when MAh'har Orcs from draenor come to Horde, do you reckon Grommash will come with them or stay in Dreanor xD (random question)
rich apex
That's why 3 year olds don't decide the fate of the world
We don't know yet
Which means I can aggressively deny that idea
ruby star
ahh okay
sudden oak
he didnt believe that both sides could coexist in peace
so he vouched that one side would conquer the other
rich apex
Because crippling each other in all out war will definitely prepare Azeroth for the Legion
Much less the moral implications of a total victory meaning the mass murder of the other side's population
sudden oak
and when that didnt happen he tried to make an army of uncorrupted orc from AU draenor something we know it didnt end well
the choices he made were made out of desperation and fear from the upcoming legion invasion
its not like he wanted all that bs to happen
he should have been in legion regreting his actions
and trying to help to clean up that mess
rich apex
I mean
jovial coral
He's not on sargeras's side right?
rich apex
He bet on Garrosh Hellscream
And gave him an army of fresh orcs
What else could possibly have happened
And N'zoth ain't on Sargeras's side
Doesn't make him a friend
jovial coral
Wrathion
sudden oak
but alas blizzard didnt make him appear at all in legion
jovial coral
Maybe he wanted N'zoth dead
ruby star
It's a shame we won't probably see Illidan in BFA
rich apex
Or until 12.0 or so when Sargeras breaks out
restive sage
we will definetly see illidan
dense plover
no we wont
hes gone
thats the entire purpose of the crystals you give out to malfurion and tyrande
strange falcon
@dense plover do you want to see a cute drawing?
dense plover
no
strange falcon
meager warren
Topkek
strange falcon
hollow dock
disgusting
strange falcon
i said cute,i never said you would like it 
jovial coral
Burn em
strange falcon
hollow dock
Just. Absolutely disgusting and horrid. Thank you for sharing.
strange falcon
you're welcome
ruby star
Honestly I'm glad Alliance is highly unlikely to get Vulpera
I can't imagine little furry things walking around Stormwind xD
strange falcon
well you have medium sized furry things running around
ruby star
Good point xD
Like I said eailer I love seeing the allied races walking around the cities and that :D it just feels nice now just imagine Jinyu or High Elves (Ik they already there but still) Vykrul,wildhammer dwarves etc would be so cool! + Lightforged draeni and void elves look cool walking around the cities it mixes it up a bit
tulip torrent
you still can get little furry things walking around stormwind even if vulpera is only for the horde 😄
meager warren
not sure if Vris legit thinks that's disgusting or they just doesn't like anything that could be even remotely related to furries
hollow dock
I really don't. Unless theyre like dignitaries like they are in Silvermoon.
It's absolutely horrid and disgusting.
ruby star
XD
meager warren
which one
hollow dock
yes
meager warren
you don't like furries or you think it's disgusting
hollow dock
absolutely
meager warren
wat
ruby star
Honestly I wouldn't mind Vulpera being playable if others want them
I personally wouldn't play them
hollow dock
If they are then I'll make a Sethrak specifically to hunt down and kill em
tulip torrent
it would be just awesome if they can be druids
ruby star
Lol good idea Vris
meager warren
you can play Argonian in Skyrim and kill all the khajits
hollow dock
not good enough
meager warren
why not
strange falcon
@tulip torrent we dont know druids but shamans are confirmed
ruby star
We can turn Vulpera into carpets
strange falcon
they can turn you into carpets one of the quotes is literally " i turned a sethrak into a boat sail"
ruby star
Oh my xD
meager warren
did they make the whole sethrak the boat sail or just the skin?
would be funny if the former
meager warren
Argonians are basically Jinyu/ Lizards
hollow dock
Sethrak are part Cobra.
tulip torrent
these couple of days i was thinking how good it would be if they make a scenario
in the next patch where the alliance and the horde are taking part of the destroying of the opposite fraction's city
but its like really long one
with objectives
hollow dock
Yea
that's already happening
its called the Burning of Teldrassil
and Siege of Undercity
dense plover
^^^
tulip torrent
any youtube link maybe ?
hollow dock
It's on t he alpha
dense plover
it isnt even available for testing
hollow dock
You can find its unfinished cinematic for the Siege
dense plover
^
worthy minnow
the trailer even shows it
tulip torrent
the channel is preeety long and i cant possibly read everything
worthy minnow
and some leaked images
hollow dock
We were told it was happening at Blizzcon
tulip torrent
i just keep an eye from time to time
hollow dock
you can even find its maps
worthy minnow
if u want to see the difference in Undercity
hollow dock
Gorgrons tied to the Draenor Orc recruitment supposedly
tulip torrent
the mag'hars are probably there
hollow dock
so I dont know why SoO got a new map
worthy minnow
y ik about the orcs
tulip torrent
its not that much of a change in gorgrond
hollow dock
not meant to be. Its like seeing the Vindicaar for the Lightforged.
tulip torrent
i am thinking that they updated soo map because og is going to look different again
worthy minnow
that would be cool ;d
hollow dock
that makes 0 sense. Its supposedto be Garroshs' Orgrimmar
worthy minnow
but i doubt it
tulip torrent
maybe they want to keep soo's og up to date
hollow dock
That just doesn't make sense. How would Sylvanas' changes to Orgrimmar go back in time to Garroshs' time as Warchief?
tulip torrent
do you imagine if there is this ally player never played horde
and he goes in soo sees og
and studies it
hollow dock
and sees Orgrimmar is different because someone else stole Orgrimmar from the horde
tulip torrent
and then he goes into the normal og and he gets lost ?
hollow dock
If he has used a raid map to map out a city he can visit without going in the raid
he is certainly doing something wrong
worthy minnow
Vris is right about Sylvanas changes
tulip torrent
well i try not to question alliance's logic 😃
hollow dock
Its us retaking Orgrimmar from Garrosh in a different time period
worthy minnow
maybe if they change the real one it would make sense
hollow dock
How does, again, Sylvanas' changes apply to Garroshs' horde?
worthy minnow
shes warchief?
hollow dock
But not at the timeframe that garrosh took Orgrimmar for his own
tulip torrent
it makes sence if you have seen the new og and then go back in soo and you see the same og and you get that feeling that you are raiding the real thing
tulip torrent
and not some strange random city that you havent seen before
hollow dock
In which let me ask you Arg
why aren't they changing Shadowforge City?
Why aren't they changing Blackrock mountain since that becomes the DIDs place.
tulip torrent
i have no idea what or where this city is
hollow dock
Dark Iron Dwarves come from Shadowforge City, Blackrock Depths is what you'd know it by
In which when you go and do a dungeon, it's a different king, no Moira, and all the Dark Irons are hostile
yet when you visit it out of the dungeon, everyones chill
tulip torrent
moira was a princess ?
tulip torrent
hm strange i got the feeling that i killed her in my dungeon finder on my little alt in that run of blackrock depths
hollow dock
Exactly. -exactly.-
So why is that not being changed for the exact same reasons you're stating yet SoO is?
tulip torrent
moira has a twin sister named moira ?
hollow dock
No. She doesn't.
hollow dock
the Moira you off in Blackrock Depths is the Moira that, LOREWISE, wasn't killed.
and is in Ironforge
She survived the assassination of Thaurissian. She took over and in cata comes to take over Ironforge when Magni turns to stone
tulip torrent
when we left that alternate timeline
tulip sun
I never even noticed we killed her in a dungeon
tulip torrent
we didnt terminate it
hollow dock
It was never an alternate timeline Argonia
It was a gameplay mechanic that's seperate to lore
tulip torrent
yeah but we went to a different time where soo lies
tulip torrent
and killed that betraing little orc
hollow dock
Orgrimmar was taken by Garrosh.
And the raid was us taking it back from him
We finally found out what he was digging in the caverns beneath org
why he sends us to clear it out
uncut vault
It wasnt really taken by him. It was always his since cata
he just slowly pushed out other races
hollow dock
When he named his orcs the 'True Horde' he stopped being apart of the Horde and thus had taken it from, you guessed it
The Horde
terse patrol
Siege of Orgrimmar's map might be being used in a scenario. @hollow dock
I doubt all that infrastructure and stuff Garrosh built was destroyed.
hollow dock
The only thing I can think of that it could be used is like. Mhmm.
Maybe it has to do with Vol'jin?
Maybe us going back in time to see all that Vol'jin has done, good and bad?
uncut vault
I mean, could be PH for something involving maghar
the underground area fits the AU orcs well
hollow dock
That's just odd to me.
tulip sun
What did I miss? There a orgrimmar scenario in BfA?
steel venture
The SoO stronghold beneath Org probably 100% still exists TBH.
There'd be no reason to get rid of those fortifications as an emergency bunker, really.
rich apex
BFA finale is Siege 2.0 to stop the mad tyrant Garrosh- I mean Sylvanas
broken laugh track
meager warren
@hollow dock is this u?
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/85c6wy/if_sethrak_became_playable/
hollow dock
Yes
meager warren
coot
uncut vault
ho boy. Pyromancer's moved to a new ridiculously stupid argus theory
now hes not the titan of death, he's a titan of light
hollow dock
diet mat pat my dude
uncut vault
looking at some of the vulpera anims, some of the male ones are straight up upgrades of the goblin anims
almost exactly the same but properly polished and fluid
hollow dock
its almost like they use goblins for the base or something and just modified it
uncut vault
Im more speaking on the lines of vulpera have the goblin updates
tulip sun
I mean, it'd be smart
north osprey
They'll probably end up with more motivations than just lolgreedy, too
jovial coral
If they make Sethrak playable they'd probably get the stealth detection racial and some kind of slow.
uncut vault
if sethrak are ever playable they need a -50% damage to snakes
cant hurt your own kind
rich apex
But I've killed like a thousand vrykul
hollow dock
And worgen hunt hundreds of thousands of wolves
Elves and trolls hunt each other. Orcs kill ogres and gronn.
jovial coral
Vulpera's racial would be that they can hop onto mounts and maybe a knock down
rich apex
Question is will hunters do extra damage against vulpera
Or just worgen
Worgen are both dogs -and- Brits, so doubly appropriate
jovial coral
Hunters will become the hunted
rich apex
Fox person hunter with a fox pet, riding a fox mount, and being followed by a fox minipet
jovial coral
I don't want to see that happen but then I do
Blizzard needs to stop making races that can be hunters
sharp bluff
Highmountain Hunter lol
rich apex
Remember when blood elves couldn't be warriors
north osprey
Can't wait to see big goofy KT rogues, because they're almost def gonna get 'em due to Outlaw
rich apex
uncut vault
its not about size, its about how you use it
hollow dock
dagg is the best rogue
he's at Legionfall
in the pond
under a turtle shell
that is a talented ogre
meager warren
The Vulpera and the Worgen
jovial coral
Kul Tirans racials will be knocking enemies off their mounts and giving friendlies piggyback rides
ruby star
Do you think there will be anothor build tomorrow? (Alpha)
hollow dock
Nope.
ruby star
Ahh rip
hollow dock
I never think the build will come out on tuesday. I think it'll come out when its ready.
ruby star
Good point
I wonder when Warfronts will be added to alpha as currently not much has been said about them tbh
hollow dock
Id wager they use the same systems as the Island Plunders. So testing one does get the other done.
ruby star
Yeah maybe
dense plover
Islands don’t use he same system as warfrontd
Warfrontd need to be able to create buildings while players are walking around the area
And they need a voting menu for choosing
As well as elite unit spawning
It’s also more players, so expect a heavier server load to mean different tech
I do expect an alpha tomorrow
Probably unlocking voldun and Stormsong
ruby star
Yeah, maybe some more Kul'tiran druid forms will get datamined
lunar abyss
Is the boralis boss a kraken or void related?
desert lotus
Looks like kraken
lunar abyss
I read the page was originally called the kraken
Now is just a minion of ashara called Behamat
hollow dock
Yes it is -a- kraken called Behamat.
slate ingot
It's still a kraken it just has an actual name
lunar abyss
O right once kraken hits the fantasy realm it's a common species
hollow dock
?
No? that has nothing to do with the fact that this is a Kraken, one of a species of fish beings, is named Bahamet.
lunar abyss
No what I mean is there is only one kraken in our mythology but in fantasy a kraken is a common thing like a fly or a bear. I thought they were saying originally it was The KRAKEN
Not a Kraken
hollow dock
Wha....I don't comprehend. Are we still talking about Warcraft?
dense plover
yeah
i dont know where you got your mythology, but there is no "the kraken" except in books
krakens are creatures dating back to at norse mythology and there is not one specific one
its a way people refer to it
there the kraken
i see the kraken
thats true of any beast
theres the bear
i see the bear
the mighty bear
it doesnt mean there is only one
welcome to english
hollow dock
The Kraken in Greek mythology has the name of Cetus.
meager warren
oooh ty
hollow dock
its kinda like Leviathan
meager warren
?
i asked if they had unique names, not if the word "kraken" is generic
hollow dock
despite there being creatures referenced specifically as 'The Leviathan', its still a genereic name.
meager warren
i feel like Jormangundr is Norse Mythology's Kraken but tbh, i'm not sure
dense plover
no
hollow dock
Jormangundr is the Leviathan of their mythology
meager warren
Jormangundr is not a worm
dense plover
yes it is
hollow dock
Kraken are a species of creature that live off the coast of Norway and have been destroying ships.
and yea it is.
dense plover
the giant worm that eats the world tree
meager warren
it's more like a snake
meager warren
Serpent being snake
meager warren
that was what i was getting at
meager warren
🐍
hollow dock
Leviathan is a comparison for size. not actual creature. since the original story holding the Leviathan is very similar to that of Thor slaying Jormungadr and such.
hollow dock
Yes it is.
We're using the name of 'Leviathan' to substitute in size comparisons. IE 'Leviathan-sized creature'. Which is what Jormund is.
dense plover
yes
meager warren
tbf, Jormangundr wasn't that big until about Ragnarok
and he was called the leviathan before that, right? (In myth)
dense plover
no
hollow dock
None of Lokis kids were causing to much trouble until ragnarok. Kinda the point of it. and no he has not
dense plover
leviathan is a biblical term
describing it as leviathan (in size)
is just a thing people can do
meager warren
oh.
well, the nordic equivalent of "leviathan" then
dense plover
no
meager warren
;-; ok
dense plover
there are very few equivalents between nordic and non-nordic pantheons
they developed independtly
so they have no reason to be similar
hollow dock
it is something to note that Thor beating Jormungadr is very similar to the other killing of dragons and other giant beasts across our mythology history
dense plover
sure
but the big good guy beating the bad guy doesnt require cross-culture communication
thats an eventual idea of everyone
meager warren
well, the nordic vikings encountered individuals who followered other pantheons so it's not that far a stretch
dense plover
yeah
but the pantheon developed before that
it may have influenced later development slightly
hollow dock
Considering how similar the stories are for Tiamat vs Marduk (the earliest Serpant vs God story I can find so far), it's a fairly reasonable assumption
dense plover
yeah
but the idea of serpents being evil has developed independtly across various civilizations
even the aztecs believed a giant serpent would end them
hollow dock
like Pyramids
meager warren
What if, the christian storytellers got the idea for evil snake from the nordic storytellers
🤔
dense plover
nope
because evil snake is from the jewish bible
which developed in the middle east
around the same time the nordic one did
dense plover
yes it is
and they didnt back then
the vikings didnt have good ships until around 800CE
the snake in the garden of eden dates back to 4000 BCE
meager warren
CE?
hollow dock
I wanna know how they sailed into the Mesopotamian River Valley
dense plover
^
although tbh
jews were in egypt
sumeria was in mesopotamia
and technically slightly earlier
meager warren
When was the story of the bible written versus the stories of the vikings?
hollow dock
Opposite sides of the world really. I dont think vikings sailed into the Middle East.
meager warren
the snake dating back to 4000 BCE versus Vikings having good ships in 800 CE isn't really relevant
they could have
hollow dock
But they'd need good ships to do so
meager warren
define good
dense plover
it is relevant
they date to around the same time
for around all cultures
but they date back independtly
hollow dock
Heck, its very much noted that Christianity was introduced to the Norse at the time the British were building their empire.
dense plover
the common theory is that it is based on common human fears and ideologies
peak forge
Can't wait till I can buy the expac should be next month I hope
dense plover
so thats why these common themes appear in all cultures
hollow dock
everyones afraid of the dark. The unknown.
So we put faces to them and make them villains
dense plover
snakes, floods
spiders
spiders and snakes are actually genetically disposed to dislike
meager warren
i'm not sure that an evil snake appears in the egyptian or aztec religions
hollow dock
Quetzelquatil I think is how you spelt it
meager warren
wot
hollow dock
They named a pteradon after it
meager warren
Quetzy is a snek?
hollow dock
ye
dense plover
giant feathered snake
meager warren
but, not in egyptian then
dense plover
In Ancient Egypt, where the earliest written cultural records exist, the serpent appears from the beginning to the end of their mythology. Ra and Atum ("he who completes or perfects") became the same god, Atum, the "counter-Ra," was associated with earth animals, including the serpent: Nehebkau ("he who harnesses the souls") was the two headed serpent deity who guarded the entrance to the underworld. He is often seen as the son of the snake goddess Renenutet. She often was confused with (and later was absorbed by) their primal snake goddess Wadjet, the Egyptian cobra, who from the earliest of records was the patron and protector of the country, all other deities, and the pharaohs.
literally everywhere
if there are snakes
we are afraid
our brains are by default scared of the image
its in our DNA
its one of the few animals like that
spiders too
hollow dock
Apep, the serpent god that represented disorder and threatens to destroy the sun god and plunge all of creation into chaos.
meager warren
isn't Ra basically a anthropomorph eagle?
meager warren
@dense plover how dare u say that sneks being scary is hard-wired.
they adorable
dense plover
it is though
meager warren
no
dense plover
thats a scientific fact
meager warren
stop
hollow dock
It is. I was scared of snakes as a kid, then grew appreciation for them and now find them adorable and respectable creatures
dense plover
about 30% have a serious fear of them
hollow dock
a phobia if you will
meager warren
i was indoctrinated to be scared of them as a kid but then i thought for myself and think they're fascinating
dense plover
if you put a snake image in front of babies who havent seen them, they will be scared of them
your brain is actually scared of the shape of a snake
again
same for spiders
we evolved to be scared of them
because they can easily kill us
meager warren
but look at those spider feets!
hollow dock
It's hardwiring due to survival mechanisms
meager warren
pfff.
i'll pick up a spider/ snek any day.
if it kills me, so worth it
hollow dock
Our species was not always at the top. Snakes, spiders, tigers, etc.
We were prey and we remember what that's like in our very DNA.
dense plover
actually
even at the top
even with our brains
snakes and spiders are way more dangerous than a lion
lions are big
hollow dock
cuz venom and poison.
dense plover
and easy to hide from
meager warren
lions are also adorable
hollow dock
and theyre such tiny creatures.
dense plover
how do you hide from a spider you might not even know is there
a snake can squeeze through pretty much anywhere
meager warren
so can a squid but nobody cares about them
hollow dock
squids dont get onto dry land.
meager warren
so?
irellevant
hollow dock
Snakes can swim and slither.
meager warren
snakes are highly evolved organisms.
u jelly?
hollow dock
In which, we are afraid of them. Look to the stories of the Kraken.
dense plover
its not irrelevant
we are scared of snakes and spiders because of our DNA
you can argue all you want
but its true
meager warren
there must be something wrong with me then
meager warren
learning to go against ur DNA seems pretty paradoxical to me
steel venture
to be fair: our brains also don't like sour things because it typically means its acidic or might be a poison
but there's people who LOVE sour candy.
Same for bitter things, which usually can include alcohol.
zinc sandal
hollow dock
Im just here for the meme that is Wowheads discord channel.
meager warren
which one of those are you referring to
lucid rampart
My Philosophy on snakes is that I don’t hear them per se but I have a healthy respect for that I personally feel snakes and spiders should never be pets
Don’t fear
meager warren
Tell that to Snake Charmers
tropic trail
Im an 'arachniphobe' so I'd rather not heck with any spiders
jovial coral
I'm sure snakes are scared of humans just as well. Wild ones at least.
I was kayaking and saw a snake swimming towards me very scary.
If naga and/or sethrak could do that it would be pretty awesome.
Swimming on top of water like a snake that is.
uncut vault
@jovial coral https://imgur.com/gallery/NHUiz
jovial coral
Aah but irl the snake was keeping its head up a little bit while swimming
I guess the nag models need to get a bit longer for that
terse patrol
@mint arch p sure thats a hognose
mint arch
probs is
hollow dock
You see a bunch of swimming naga in just about every underwater scenario that they are in
they are fish people
hollow dock
like do we just forget that Vash'jir exists? Throne of the Tides?
we're shown they come out of the ocean in Azsuna
tulip torrent
now when we know that the season is ending
do you have any info about inc patch
or new silithus quests ?
or the patch should come after next week's reset?
dense plover
No
Didn’t they say there was a season 7?
They won’t start a season when prepatch drops
This is just them cycling a season
It will be the last cycle before the prepatch in all likelihood
hollow dock
and seasons are no longer tied to patches.
clever ember
We won’t see the pre patch until probably August. It usually comes out at least a month, maybe two prior to the xpac release.
dense plover
Definitely at least a month before
They have 2 scenarios and the artifact retirement
Plus class changed they will want to test
clever ember
They’ll sent out the squish and changes in the pre patch most likely.
clever ember
Yup and the one before that
dense plover
Whether the expac comes September 21 or earlier is still technically up in the air
clever ember
Yup
dense plover
It is the last possible date, so if the expac released earlier, so will the prepatch
But it definitely won’t be until after the book comes out
clever ember
Legion was launched almost a month early. So maybe we’ll get lucky and get another early release.
clever ember
The book is coming out in June.
dense plover
This is 8 months
Yes
That’s the technically earliest date
Extremely unlike
Ly
But the earliest possible date
clever ember
The book already got postponed once.
dense plover
Prepatch needs the book
Yeah but that was probably to tie it into the expac release
Move it closer
dense plover
It’s probably already fone
Artifact challenges won’t be nerfed
They don’t scale to your gear
So there’s no need
It would defeat the purpose
They are supposed to be difficult
tulip torrent
what about silithus quest chain
tulip torrent
dont we have more quests before the weapon's corruption
dense plover
No?
Don’t think so
We have a communication with Azeroth Magni quest
And then we drain the evil
And then we deal with that draining our weapons over the course of a month or so
tulip torrent
do you know if we going to use our artefacts while we lvl
or we going to get some alternative weapons for that
dense plover
We aren’t
clever ember
The Mage tower won’t get nerfed at all. But once the pre patch hits you won’t be able to get the Mage tower skins anymore.
dense plover
They will deactivate the traits once you do the silithus quest
tulip torrent
i think they said untill exp hits
tulip torrent
i am sorry can you repeat when we going to see the prepatch
dense plover
The stat change will break those challenges so badly they can’t possibly leave them open
We don’t know
clever ember
The artis won’t be carried over into BfA.
tulip torrent
July/ August?
clever ember
I don’t think they will keep the Mage tower skins active once the squish happens.
dense plover
With it, the artifact appearances tied to mythic +15 and mage tower will disappear as unlocks
Yes
Late July
Early August
Unless something changes
clever ember
Probably August. If the game sticks to the September 21 release date.
dense plover
I could see them dropping it the last week of July
tulip torrent
i doubt it could be released as legion at the end of august
the beta of legion was a fact in march and here we are still in alpha...
dense plover
The expac itself is coming by 21 September
clever ember
Legion had he same release date but we ended up getting it August 30th instead of September 21st
dense plover
At the latest
Yep
21 September is their fallback date
Summer is when they get the most done generally
April May June specifically are their best work months
So I guess late spring early dummer
tulip torrent
do you have any info about keys
dense plover
Summer
tulip torrent
some waves or when wowhead will start giving them away ?
dense plover
Nope
Alpha doesn’t have keys
Beta hasn’t started
Beta won’t start until the base systems are implemented
Warfronts, azerite armor, the rest of the islands, the other 7 dungeons
World quests
End game story
And the last 2 zones ofc
Voldun and Stormsong Valley
Once all that is implemented, we can start to think about a beta being on the horizon
Although it is possible we see voldun and Stormsong today as well as more islands or dungeons
They’ve been doing work on some of the endgame dungeons
And the areas around them
tulip torrent
so atleast 2 more months before beta give or take
dense plover
Maybe maybe not
clever ember
If we’re lucky
dense plover
Zul Dazar came much quicker than expected
If voldun and Stormsong drop today, late April beta is likely assuming we continue the build a week system
Generally, I would say once the azerite armor and the last two zones are in, we are around a month from beta
I’m confused why those last two zones are taking so long
They look finished
tulip torrent
ty for the info
dense plover
No problem
ruby star
I hope I at least get into beta xD
dense plover
I would pay money for alpha access
ruby star
same
dense plover
But I know I’ll win a beta key
I’m writing a piece of music for one
It’s what I did for legiob
ruby star
Ooooo nice
dense plover
It won me a key
hollow dock
the artifacts get disabled at once BFA is out. Prepatch we keep em and we'll be leveling with them until a green replaces them. -Ion
dense plover
Yes
That’s what I said
Traits get disabled and then they become normal items
Did it not send that message when I typed earlier?
hollow dock
As ion said, they'll get replaced by a green weapon
strange falcon
he said "you'll replace them with a wooden board with a rusty nail on it" or something similar
ruby star
^
dense plover
I’m pretty sure it was followed by an “I’m kidding”
strange falcon
but the "you're fired" supposed joke,wasnt followed by i'm kidding
was josh fired on stream?
🤔
strange falcon
i know it's a joke,but that 1-2 second moment where josh's face turned to pure fear was the best
dense plover
It wasn’t real fest
Fesr
Fear
It was faux fear
Wow
Faux but not fear work when I type
Gg autocorrect
hollow dock
I think I have to watch it now just to see that
hollow dock
Interesting
this raiding tier is now officially over.
with Mythic Antorus now Cross-realm
terse patrol
That usually means the rolling out of new content. Maybe not. wtfk
quartz mango
Cutting Edge is still gonna be around until BfA pre-patch
strange falcon
inb4 miniraid
wild pewter
New build today do we know?
terse patrol
We’ll see, I don’t think so tho.
strange falcon
damn you muffinus!!
languid yoke
that's when he tells us it's Tuesday
unique harbor
Anyone thinking about how bad they're gonna nerf a class mid-BFA already?
strange falcon
you know they're plotting already
wide lance
do a costco run for lube now
hollow dock
I mean. They always do that fox
Thats called class balancing
Though class balancing is going to be very interesting with no more tier sets
sharp bluff
The real question is who is going to be bottom of the pack....
wide lance
whatever class I decide I reallly really like
hollow dock
I mean. Even 'bottom of the pack' still pulls competitive numbers.
My guess, and this is always the safest guess, is Boomkins. Theyre always incredibly low on the charts, but are still valuable as fuck cuz ya know. AOE bursting adds.
strange falcon
@hollow dock boomkins were pretty high during NH and TOS,and for antorus feral is highest
BTW can someone find the pic where it's the damage logs but the first 3 are "viable" and everyone else is "bottom of the pack"