the sea priests of kul tiras have been out of contact with everyone since the death of daelin proudmoore
#beta-ptr-spoilers
dense plover
jade basalt
The pupilless eyes were more something to denote of their seer/priest status/abilities, they were not meant to be mage/Arcane eyes or whatever.
lunar abyss
that's why I like it
dense plover
also
lunar abyss
it's perfect for my undead mage
dense plover
its a mask
i dont think thats related to what we discussed
if i wear sunglasses, ofc you cant see my eyes
thats a full head mask
hollow dock
yea that does look to be more akin to a mask than actual face tentacles
jovial coral
Mrpeach always destroys my half baked conspiracy theories
hollow dock
Yea they do it to mine too
jovial coral
Ive been thinking what if Bwonsamdi got the power to get rid of the undead once and for all and if there would be a way for sylvanas to stop him.
terse patrol
tbh if that happened, I think even the rest of the Horde would be like “yeah lets do that, sorry sylvanas”
Means no more Scourge.
jovial coral
The only physical "barrier " I could find between Bwonsamdi and the world is this thing called "The Necropolis" in Zulduzar. I think that could stop Bwonsamdi somehow if it were destroyed otherwise she's out of luck
uncut vault
There’s no barrier
dense plover
hes a loa
uncut vault
Bwonsamdi can roam free, he’s a hella powerful loa.
dense plover
not a god
he is mortal
technically
also, why would he get rid of the forsaken?
they kill a lot of people and dont raise them via blight
hollow dock
he apparently has distaste for the undead.
dense plover
thats a lot of souls for bwonsamdi
hollow dock
despite him using it
dense plover
^
uncut vault
Does he? He was quite fine with them in Nazmir
uncut vault
He creates them, he helps us help them.
dense plover
and the souls that he cant take because they arent done
he wants souls
however he can get them
it boils down to that
uncut vault
But he doesn’t have any specific distaste for them in the new stuff. And I doubt he’d hate Sylvanas. Kills plenty of people.
hollow dock
Peach just said tha tin Zuldazar he's complaining about all the undead running around
tulip sun
Doesn't mean he hates or wants them dead
uncut vault
Near his necropolis? He was more complaining about the blood trolls fucking around with them
They’re trying to break into his necropolis
hollow dock
that. that's specifically what it means Khamnin. He cant get their souls because theyre still here.
pine bluff
PIRATE HATS CONFIRMED. I'M HAPPY NOW. PUT ME DOWN FOR ONE BFA.
tulip sun
I complain about you all the time. Doesn't mean I hate you or want to harm you.
Until he says that, we don't know
hollow dock
Ever since da spirits have begun calling upon this "G'huun" me temple has been covered with the unbearable taint of the undead.
Da undead be an abomination, but da bloodstones that create them be powerful. They could be of use ta Bwonsamdi.
If you wish ta show me your fervor, then cleanse me temple of their filth and bring me their bloodstones.
that certainly feels like true disdain for them
that is the dialogue he speaks to us to go cleanse his temple grounds.
jade basalt
Yea. Which is funny since he raised zombies to wreck Zalazane.
hollow dock
Yea it's noted on the Wowpedia page.
Bwonsamdi sees undead as abominations and cannot stand their "unbearable taint" in his temple.[11] Despite this, he himself raised undead to fight Zalazane. (11 being the quest dialogue)
terse patrol
Think it depends. His undead are likely willing Troll spirits. Troll mummies will rise from the dead to fight interlopers.
hollow dock
I honestly think blizz forgot that he raised the undead.
hollow dock
he could be refering to these specific undead.
terse patrol
ye
But undead are definitely accepted in Troll society, specifically in the form of mummies. They will return to their burial pot when finished fighting, however, I believe.
hollow dock
but considering how theyve been writing him since Pre-patch Cata, I think he just has general disdain of all undead. since he cant claim their souls.
rich apex
I mean he's pretty reasonable to not be happy about undead being used against -him-
terse patrol
Aka, the actual trolls spirit returns to their corpse temporarily.
ye
They need to clarify it
Because I doubt he’s anti defense mummy
uncut vault
@dense plover https://gyazo.com/2706aaee09118d4c8518d0c81defba21
for the kraken at the end of siege of boralus
hollow dock
BAHAMET AT LAST
sharp bluff
Is bone salami in the alpha atm?
uncut vault
Yes
sharp bluff
Anyone roll a Forsaken and talk to him yet?
uncut vault
So it looks like the huge part of the city being wrecked might not be true
ashvane's forces dont get past the harbor
MOTHER
hollow dock
The npcs dont say anything different. theyre not coded that way
north osprey
"Bwon" is surprisingly fun to say.
tropic trail
One man
BWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOng
One school teacher
BWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG
floral grotto
Question: what skeleton do the Kul Tiran models use?
uncut vault
I know women use dwarves, men are weird
floral grotto
Looks like the orc skeleton to me. But I'm not sure.
uncut vault
they have quite a few pandaren anims
floral grotto
Oh... I see that now.
glad cedar
no
zandalari males use a night elf rig pretty sure
with some tweaks
and females use normal female troll rig
floral grotto
^ that.
midnight yew
ah interesting
floral grotto
No Allied Race is a new skeleton. They're all just reskins.
glad cedar
they're reskins with tweaks if needed
floral grotto
Well, yes. But skeletons aren't new.
glad cedar
my guess kul'tirans might be based on panadern rigs
floral grotto
That makes sense
glad cedar
true, easier to do a tweak to a rig then it is to recreate a rig
Which is why worgen and goblins aer on backburner
uncut vault
zandalari and kul tirans have a few new anims but the combat and running are all preexisting
glad cedar
they both need skeleton rig updaes
floral grotto
Hoping they'll get to them some time this xpac.
floral grotto
I know. =/
floral grotto
Yeah. Although, I still feel some of them were ruined.
Female humans look terrible. And male Nelfs have that neck that's broken and juts out.
glad cedar
female humans look fine imo
floral grotto
Their hips aren't where they should be.
glad cedar
i think blizz was trying to keep the the orginal design
floral grotto
Whatever they did, it looks very awkward and finding a transmog to hide that is difficult.
glad cedar
not really /shrug
floral grotto
Being a female, it does to me. I know where my hips should be. lol
glad cedar
tbh i always assume human females were a bit chubby
uncut vault
I think theyll at least get goblins up
already in the process of touching up the skeleton with vulpera
strange falcon
yeah vulpera and sethrak might just be blizz killing two birds with one stone as Sethrak use a worgen skeleton with modified head
ruby star
What are these links??
ruby star
The zone is yes (I don't have alpha but I know you can do the zone)
wait
if you mean the Allied race then no they are not
strange falcon
i have found rare footage of vulpera in action on the alpha https://i.imgur.com/VDqqJP7.mp4
cyan tundra
@strange falcon do you know how to unlock zandalar zone?
strange falcon
i'm not in the alpha,but there should be quests,i think only 1/3 zones i playable in alpha atm
both ally and horde,or they expanded that to 2/3 with the hub
cyan tundra
How do you get in the alpha pre order it right?
strange falcon
i have a sssneaking susssspicion this is going to become the sethrak heritage armor https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/419964508447047690/424580210504237067/sethmel.png
now just wait for vris and mrpeach to come ruin the speculation saying sethrak is never going to be playable
tulip sun
I mean, if they are playable that'd be one of my favorite heritage armors
zinc sandal
They're never going to be playable
sharp bluff
Try using the cloth hoods/collars on them lol
zinc sandal
(Mind you, I'd love to have Sethrak be playable)
tulip sun
I mean. They are not near as player ready as say vulpera
They have 6 months though
I think there is q chance
strange falcon
not only 6 months,considering there's at least 4 allied races before them
they have more than a year
strange falcon
well consider voldun isnt open for testing
so they're in no rush
to get them goodlooking
not that they arent already
floral grotto
Snake head people are stupid.
tropic trail
You're stupid pouts
tulip sun
Didn't someone say the beta build is coming soon?
tulip sun
Does beta mean more people get to test it? xD
strange falcon
beta means a ton of new content instead of the trickle we get in alpha builds
hollow dock
No one has said anything refering to beta
Beta would mean the games nearly done. This game is not nearly done.
dense plover
here is me ruining them
that armor isnt armor
its built into the model
all of the sethrakk models with armor are melded to their armor
which is why the armor variations for them are mainly recolors
hollow dock
You might be remembering people asking when betas coming out and us responding 'not for a few months'. As no specific dates have been teased or even discussed.
ruby star
Yeah I doubt beta will be out quite a while
terse patrol
Pretty sure Blizzard said they won’t be having a specific alpha/beta. They’ll roll out new invites as they go.
They aren’t treating this like every other expansion cycle.
hollow dock
they never say their dates. Just when its open.
terse patrol
And trust me, BFA isn’t coming out in the fourth quarter.
hollow dock
No ones said it was. But we do know it'll come out August-September
terse patrol
Not even that.
proud karma
they set a nice legal deadline
ruby star
Yeah they have to release on or before that deadline they set on pre-orders
proud karma
clipping on armor will be real hard
hollow dock
which is August-September. that's when its getting released.
hollow dock
I think its the 21st
proud karma
like uh, sept. 10th was it? 20th?
hollow dock
of september
proud karma
21st ahh
terse patrol
From what I hear, Blizzard is aiming to release around the date of when kids get out of school for he summer in America.
hollow dock
Also, the beta is coming soon as says on the website. Currently its in alpha
so they are treating the production cycle like normal
terse patrol
I’m saying roughly June or July.
tulip sun
Legion released when kids went back to school
proud karma
hm, maaaybe
hollow dock
That's middle of summer yo
rich apex
It's gonna be Sept 21 fam
tulip sun
Bfa likely will too
proud karma
idk why they release it at the beginning of school
terse patrol
Not august or September, though.
rich apex
They won't choose a date and then cut back on debugging time
Just for the sake of getting it out earlier
terse patrol
September 21st is their mandatory date.
rich apex
8 million people will be logging in regardless of the date 😛
terse patrol
They’re doing a very open Alpha/Beta because they want people to bugtest the fugg out of it.
terse patrol
Moreso than the old ones.
hollow dock
WoD's beta had something like 8.
and a lot of codes given away.
To myknowledge, no ones gotten any invite codes yet.
to give away that is
terse patrol
We’ll see. Invite codes should come in month or so, I think. I believe they delayed Silithus Part 2 to release with or closer to the Burning of Teldrassil.
hollow dock
Id imagine the burning of teldrassil and hte siege of undercity is prepatch. So silithus part 2 has to come before that.
hollow dock
Where was that said?
terse patrol
Watch Blizzcon
hollow dock
I had. I don't recall that ever being said.
terse patrol
it was said
hollow dock
can ya get me a specific panel or a transcript?
terse patrol
The Q&A if I recall.
hollow dock
Nothing there relating to teldrassil.
hollow dock
Can I at least read it myself? Cuz the panel suggested does not have it.
hollow dock
http://warcraft.blizzplanet.com/blog/comments/blizzcon-2017-panel-transcripts all the transcripts from the seperate panels at this years blizzcon
dense plover
teldrassil and undercity are part of the prepatch
along with silithus part 2
they stated in the QA that the rest of the story in silithus would come with 8.0
terse patrol
I doubt they’re going to have a patch drought for that long.
They said the battle for the Undercity is going to be the Broken Shore of BFA. @dense plover
So, the thing you do right at BFA’s launch.
So, Teldrassil is the pre-patch, Undercity is the BFA launch.
dense plover
broken shore was in the prepatch wasnt it?
ruby star
yeah I think so
dense plover
im pretty sure you could do broken shore before legion was released
yeah it was
it was in the prepatch
after you end up in dalaran and fight some demons
then you started legion by teleporting dalaran
which wasnt available until legion started
so undercity happens
saurfang is locked up
a few weeks later we do the stormwind stockade scenario
when BfA actually releases
terse patrol
So, we must be getting a lot of shit before BFA happens
dense plover
it wouldnt take long for stormwind to get their boats to lordaeron
yes
prepatch has two scenarios
along with silithus
though im pretty sure the teldrassil one is solo
dense plover
while the undercity one is like broken shore
terse patrol
Likely
dense plover
with players from both factions probably
but i dont imagine they will force pvp
they might make it an option depending on what happens in the alpha/beta
terse patrol
Its likely that the players will only see each other, but cant get to each other
dense plover
most likely
tulip torrent
they said even though we have separated isles for both fractions
there will be places with quests for each fraction
and this is untill you lvl up
once you hit max lvl you will be free to roam the both fraction isles
i assume for world quests
and if you turned your pvp flag on for those promised at blizz con extra bonuses
you will be in the same instance with the rest who did that
atleast in one of the instances
terse patrol
@dense plover My guess? Teldrassil and the next half of Silithus comes out with 7.4 or something. Time passes. Then 8.0 launches with the Undercity.
tulip torrent
if they are burning the elf tree undercity will be gone in the same build
terse patrol
I get the feeling the Vindicaar will evacuate Teldrassil’s civilians.
tulip torrent
isn't too small for the job
i think that the last refugees from argus
will take the ship to find a place to call home
since the link between the two planets is gone
and the survivals from the burning can still take the ship
that would make more dramatic cinematic
terse patrol
I also think a few people are going to die, from both sides.
tulip torrent
to see the elfs in the ships looking back as their home is burning
terse patrol
At Teldrassil
tulip torrent
i though that we would have the quest chain at silithus opened by now
the casting was over
there was a Q & A
by that time 2 years ago the legion beta was a thing
and even wowhead was giving away keys
terse patrol
I think they’re waiting for Terran Gregory to finish the cinematics for Teldrassil.
I’m fairly confident they’re releasing Teldrassil and Silithus at the same time.
tulip torrent
someone should send him cookies so he can feel more motivated to finish them faster
terse patrol
The Skyfire showing up and us draining the sword causes the Azerite to dry up in Sithicus. That makes Sylvanas angry, so she goes on the war path.
ruby star
probs one of Slyvanas azerites machines being more powerful then she thought or probably not the horde xD
tulip torrent
they are using azerite to power up the machines?
tulip torrent
that would make a great mount
ruby star
yeeee
tulip torrent
there are no signs that reforging is going to be returned right?
ruby star
i have no idea tbh
hollow dock
Reforging is never going to return
it was a terrible system that didn't actually solve anything
the devs have said this numerous times. D=
dense plover
@terse patrol there is no 7.4
that isnt a thing
the next patch is 8.0
its the prepatch
its specifically mentioned in the QA that the next bit of the silithus stuff would happen when 8.0 launches
which implies that the teldrassil stuff has to happen after that as well
hollow dock
not the place to advertise
terse patrol
@rotund sorrel
terse patrol
Also, seems weird to have such a long content gap, when they acted like they were going to prevent such gaps.
thx
rotund sorrel
yeah, there are connectivity issues at Discord right now but we're working to get them solved asap 😃
sharp bluff
And we still didn’t kill all of them lol
rich apex
Blizz always says they want to cut drought time
But then they remember MMOing ain't easy
So they gave us four new races and an incentive to level them instead of race changing
And then made leveling smoother
dense plover
uhy
this isnt a long content gap
assuming the latest day for the full expac release
this will be the shortest content gap ever
and those gaps are usually to the prepatch
no expac has ever released in this short of a timeframe
8 months is literally nothing
sorry
shortest since BC
8 months five days
but this doesnt include the prepatch
which is probably a month before or so
legion was 6 weeks between prepatch and full release
so if we give it the same time frame, that brings the date to around july 30-ish for the prepatch
maybe first week of august
assuming that the 21st is the actual release date
again
not a long content gap, literally the opposite
rich apex
Sept 21 is a very safe assumption
I highly doubt they'll move it up now that they set a date
Alas, there's no real way to solve the content drought
Unless you want a half assed expansion
dense plover
^
and again
its barely a drought compared to literally everything since BC
not to mention now is a good time to level allied races
i mean they did drop some content for you to do in between
and considering it takes about 3 days worth of hours to level with quests per allied race
thats 120hrs of content
is it good content?
ehhhhh
but it is content
dense plover
oh definitely
rich apex
But, of course, the new content is generally called an exapnsion
dense plover
im one zone from kalimdor loremaster
like 5 from EK
most of outland (fuck that place)
terse patrol
how does it take 3 days to level
dense plover
thats how many hours it took me from 20-110
only 1 dungeon
so all quests essentially
you could definitely go faster
terse patrol
I find Wrath questing to be god awful
dense plover
BC is worse
by a lot
wrath was only really bad in icecrown for me
since those mandatory group quests were part of the story
hollow dock
Ima be honest.
I was a fan of the level scaling
until I did Timewalking
and realized how out of scale that is
terse patrol
doing cataclysm dungeons
dense plover
well its a bit of a mess
its definitely balanced around BfA stat squish
so right now it sucks in some places
but there is no real point in putting in number fixes when you will have to undo them later
especially since you might forget to undo them, leading to the dungeon being worse than it is currently
terse patrol
Panda dungeons seem passable
Cataclysm dungeons are unacceptable
Certain bosses are nearly impossible to beat
rich apex
I've had ups and downs
The mechanics are just punishing if you don't remember them
Which the average PUG does not
hollow dock
For me
it just takes -forever- to kill -any- packs
and that's just unacceptable for dungeons.
Like, it's faster to clear trash in Mythic+10 than it is in timewalking
dense plover
well, you are scaled
so gear doesnt matter
in a mythic+10, you have your gear helping you
your gear is just as mediocre as everyone else's in timewalking
uncut vault
misty blaze
leveling 20-110 aint so bad once you get to 70ish it goes quicker
rich apex
^
1-60 is nice because you probably haven't done all of teh Azeroth zones
But you've done TBC or Wrath like five times
But Pandaland is gloriously smooth sailing
And then Draenor is just farming treasures for two hours thanks to a +20% exp potion
tulip sun
So I watched nobbela video of playing alliance on zandalar
It is neat
I felt really bad watching him kill nightborne though...
I really like nightborne
The head nightborne was in horde colors too, nice to see
Did the alliance actually get that artifact? How does that play out on the horde aide
uncut vault
I'll go do it on Horde
hasty elbow
Anyone have screenshots or spoiler about quest and npcs at Whitegrove chapel in Drustvar?
tulip sun
@uncut vault Thanks. I wish there was a video showing the nightborne side of questing. Tag me when you find out pls
uncut vault
So, seems like they do similar things, just opposite NPCs. Horde is after the Eye of Zibala, Alliance is after breath, Horde helps a nightborne excavator and kills dark iron shamans, Alliance helps a dark iron excavator and kills nightborne.
tulip sun
Oh? I thought they were the same relic
Who is the dark iron leader we kill I assume at the end
uncut vault
Urda Direflame
and the telemancer we help accidentally teleports her body along with the eye
uncut vault
No her dead body
tulip sun
How'd she die
uncut vault
We kill her then place a telemancy beacon next to the eye
he, being an apprentice, accidentally teleports her along with it
gets scolded by the blood elves
tulip sun
Oh,
Your talking about Urda
Did you notice how the nightborne were wearing horde red themed clothes?
Thought that was neat
The telemancer the dark irons kill say she's sorry to oculeth....i wonder why
uncut vault
Yeah they're for the most part using the red and hold tinted armor
waiting to actually see NPCs in the red version of the heritage set
tulip sun
Do we know what the importance of these relics were yet?
uncut vault
generic macguffins
tulip sun
I love the nightborne...i hated watching the alliance side lol.
uncut vault
dwarf was working for money, nightborne were working to establish allies with the Zandalari and make sure their position in the Horde is well known
tulip sun
She just teleport away with it, that was kinda funny tho
uncut vault
Thalyssra sends the apprentice telemancer that we quest with herself because she wants to establish stronger ties
tulip sun
The girl who stole the breath from the dark iron
She teleported away and the guy reacting to it was kinda funny
And I really really like that
I was somewhat worried they'd just sink back into a corner with gnomes and such
uncut vault
nah they seem to be making an effort to include allied races a ton
even as just random NPCS
Though I wish theyd do that with gnomes
uncut vault
here's hoping we get a gnome allied race togive them more importance
tulip sun
I honestly wouldn't mind leper gnomes in some capacity.
uncut vault
initial four allied races all have Island expedition teams too
tulip sun
The nightborne have a team called Highborne
The highmountain don't have a team fully to themselves, do they?
I saw two HM and a sunwalker
uncut vault
Two highmountain one normal
tulip sun
I didn't see any vids alliance side yet
uncut vault
same as lightforged, two LF one normal
Ive noticed that a lot of the island expedition teams have battlemages
uncut vault
Nah they dont die
team that loses retreats
we only gravely injure them during the expeditions
tulip sun
I am realllyyy excited
Any pandaren? I doubt it, but worth asking
I wish someone would male a list of the teams so I could see them all
uncut vault
None on the island expeditions, or really anywhere aside from the mission table code
tulip sun
That sucks
tulip sun
Anything else new?
uncut vault
I expect both leper and junker gnomes in one, tbh
junker gnomes with leper skin options
strange falcon
i think not only the horde,but also the alliance,would participate in a massive riot if they gave us reskinned gnomes instead of something unique and original and that fits the story perfectly like sethrak
tropic trail
Besides, no one wants to play a gnome with leprosy
strange falcon
to people saying that vulpera is a goblin reskin,it's actually not true,vulpera have had more work than all the current live allied races put together,and i got proof https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/859n0j/what_happens_when_you_turn_a_vulpera_back_into_a/
jovial coral
Man those live developers Q&A are boring sometimes
uncut vault
I mean, it's still a goblin reskin, just a modified goblin reskin
strange falcon
the point of the thread was not to deny they were a goblin reskin,just to prove that they had more work put in their model,than the current live races
uncut vault
Oh they definitely still are. Ive just seen people say that theyre completely separate from goblins now
strange falcon
nah not true
jovial coral
At least the begging Ion gives a slight spoiler that prelates ability to channel those powers will be disrupted
strange falcon
they're a heavily tweaked goblin skeleton with a tail
jovial coral
Hmm racial quests lines in theoretical future
jovial coral
Junker gnomes could be a thing but I'd want gnomeregan a real functioning city first
Forget that dungeon
hollow dock
the city becoming functional wont remove the dungeon
dense plover
<@&299347348847329281> @sturdy canyon posted their video in 3 different channels. they clearly just came to the discord to self-promote since they have no other content
frigid crater
@dense plover thank you
sharp bluff
Your wrong on the riot reason, we would riot since reg gnomes still have no story, and adding new gnomes they probably wouldn’t even deal with the original gnomes lol
hollow dock
Can I just note that watching Gallywix hit things is the most hilarious thing I've seen in Warcraft yet
tulip sun
When does he hit things
hollow dock
the demon attack on voljins funeral
He punches people with the hand that he holds his staff with. And that's it. He does nothing else.
hollow dock
it's just the most humerous sight. and I love that nathanos yells at us if we talk to him during the demon invasion.
dense plover
he yells at us no matter what
tulip sun
I liked reading the one book where he attacks garrosh. It was not real, but like au or whatever idk
dense plover
he is so abusive
tulip sun
I wanna see him like that
ruby star
xD
sturdy canyon
is it possible to send a link here? or do you get banned for that
or is any special channel for that?
dense plover
"Advertising is not permitted unless you have obtained administrator approval to post. To do this, please contact Sas for permission"
or some other admin possibly
generally, this is not the discord to self advertise in
hollow dock
As long as its not advertising for a channel we generally dont care.
sturdy canyon
I mean to post a video that talk about Stromgarde?
dense plover
thats what reddit is for
if it is your video, then it doesnt go here
if you want to talk about stromgarde, theres a great text chat available filled with people
sturdy canyon
so, where is the reddit?
dense plover
hollow dock
hollow dock
it's the new facebook essentially.
hollow dock
tbh I have only ever heard of it. Reddit is very self-inclusive.
frigid crater
@sturdy canyon As Vris mentioned above "As long as its not advertising for a channel we generally dont care.". Be sure to post it in the right channel tho. I've deleted your previous messages. If you would like to post an ad video, then you should contact @elder otter.
sturdy canyon
it has nothing to do with add
its just a video I made to talk about a topic
there are no add in the video
and I earn no money what so ever from it
dense plover
its self promotion
thats advertising
whether there is or isnt money
even giveaways for free stuff are considered ads
sturdy canyon
feels like you guys are very narrow eyed, every other discord has at least 1 channel where its is possible to post a video...
sturdy canyon
thanks for the help to find the other channels ^^
so from not making it posisble to post it here I found 3 other channels ^^
so thanks
"different strokes for different folkes" or maybe this discord is to narrow eyed and like to block "small people" since wowhead is so big
when one gets big and strong you should want to help the small guys
"just saying"
sturdy canyon
"I am not made" very chill, just spoke my mind, since wowhead is a huge channel they should at least have a place to post videos at, even smaller channels have that to help the even smaller channels to grow and speak there mind
as just said "just spoke my mind" and thanks for making that possible
wish you all a good time and a great day
hollow dock
If you want to post a video about stromgarde that's fine
but
Make sure its not some punk advertising
We've been having issues of that
sturdy canyon
ok
how about this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3OECRUbG4M Jaina will come back home and join Stromgarde? I think so, what do you gusy think?
its this so bad do post? I will not spam at all, just want to open up a discussion about it
hollow dock
Wha...Jaina's not from Stromgarde. She's Kul'tirasian.
sturdy canyon
she ii from Kul'tiras
but she was given a brigade by the kingdom of stromgarde when she went to Kalimdor
back when arthas started killing everyone in stratholm
so when she come back to the eastern Kingdoms and she will be send away from there people (Since Jaina Killed her own father)
don`t think here mother will be so happy
hollow dock
thats. that's not right. All of Theramore is former Kul'tirisan forces from Daelin's forces.
sturdy canyon
nha, the Legue of arathor is former Stromgarde people
hollow dock
In which Jaina is imprisoned by her mother the moment we come back to KT.
League of Arathor yes.
But LoA is not what Jaina's apart of.
sturdy canyon
ofc she is not a part of it
but since she was given an entire Brigade of soldier from stromgarde, she will have some huge contacts with that area of the world
many of here men/Soldiers would be crom that zone
hollow dock
She never was? I dont see where that's come from.
hollow dock
Stromgarde had already fallen by the time Jaina left didn't she?
dense plover
the rebuilding of stromgarde is by anduin and the alliance
not the people of stromgarde
there are no stromgardians left
sturdy canyon
I think it fells while she was sailing from the eastern kindomg to kalimdor
sturdy canyon
mrpeach the arathi highlands are big and wide so there are many of there people left
think of it the entire Arathi basin "Battleground" is a area the Legue of araths fights over
hollow dock
In lore there are none left. Their descendants formed the League.
dense plover
yeah
sturdy canyon
this means that there are still SOldiers and people that fight for stromgarde
dense plover
she left for kalimdor after the fall of stromgarde
stromgarde fell in WC2
she left for kalimdor in WC3
sturdy canyon
maybe many of the people even moved to stormwind waitng for the right moment to come back
dense plover
they left though
the reason people fight in arathi basin is because it is the border between horde and alliance lands
being in charge of that means safe trade and no threats from the opposing faction
sturdy canyon
Stromgarde gave jaina a brigade to take with here to Kalimdor
it could not have fallen before she left
dense plover
i cant find anything on that
found it
During the Third War, Stromgarde managed to prevent the undead Scourge from ravaging through its lands, and sent a detachment of troops, the Stromgarde Brigade to accompany Jaina Proudmoore and the Human Expedition across the sea to Kalimdor. Despite this, the darkest hour of Stromgarde was yet to come. Thoras was ultimately secretely murdered by his son, Galen, who sought the throne of Stromgarde for himself.[16] Stromgarde also came under siege by both the Syndicate and the Boulderfist ogres, the two forces winning several victories against the now weakened kingdom, and managing to occupy much of its terrain, including most of the capital city, Stromgarde Keep.
hollow dock
so where'd all those arathi troops disappear to?
dense plover
apparently it only fell for a while
then the scourge came through
and obliterated every human kingdom but stormwind and gilneas
mostly because they left the alliance instead of listening to medivh
"Though weaker than before, its population and territory greatly diminished, Stromgarde was still remembered as the starting point of humanity. Though much of the capital was lost, its armies maintained a base of strategic operations at the crevasse known as Refuge Pointe in the Highlands, as well as portions of the devastated capital city itself, then occupied by ogres and the criminals of the Syndicate.[17] The forces of Stromgarde formed the League of Arathor, which fought to free the rest of the Arathi Highland, the Arathi Basin, and its many resources from the hands of the Forsaken Defilers as well as the Horde forces from Hammerfall. Prince Galen Trollbane ruled from his one remaining holdout in the city until his own demise at the hands of the Horde.[18] Galen was later raised into undeath by the Forsaken, seemingly pledging allegiance to Sylvanas Windrunner while her forces reclaimed Trol'kalar and raised his former citizens into undeath.[19]"
hollow dock
Until the ebon blade came and started that shit up again
sturdy canyon
and with the Alliance at there back going on Capitol city it self (Undercity) the Stromgarde people will have the perfect part to take it back
they took what the ywanted and then whent away
hollow dock
yea. But again. Where does Jaina come into all this?
hollow dock
it's stormwinds wall. Behind her you can see the port iirc
hollow dock
those are the mountains behind stormwind
sturdy canyon
you can see that the mountains looks 100% like arathi highland
hollow dock
that's stormwind keeps tower in hte back.
hollow dock
Alright so let's say it is Stromgarde
how are you sure it has nothing to do with the Warfront that'll take place there?
sturdy canyon
look, from 1.52 to 1.57
hollow dock
Im staring at the still
strange falcon
i think people have confirmed it's stormwind
sturdy canyon
you can see that the bell tower with a blue roof is in the right place
sturdy canyon
the very story of warfronts is that she gets there with ofc some allince trops but also many stromgardian soldiers that left it long time ago
its give it a huge reason to hold that city and to keep it for the alliance
hollow dock
We dont know that though. No information has been released about stormfronts
we're taking it from the Horde as I remember.
hollow dock
You've shown me the video that was at blizzcon
sturdy canyon
why would the alliance.... send so many forces to stromgard when they are at the undead capiol city
hollow dock
Where as we're fighting over Stromgarde as we take EK back from the horde as the horde invades the old tauren village
over in Kalmindor
sturdy canyon
hu? what do you mean?
hollow dock
Once hte burning of teldrassil and siege of undercity are done, the horde and alliance take over Kalmindor and Eastern Kingdom respectively.
sturdy canyon
it is said so
hollow dock
Leaving the Exodar as the last place the alliance is, all storywise, and Silvermoon as the last place ont he horde on the others continent
sturdy canyon
but I don`t think so, I think that the top of the eastern kingdoms will still be horde
hollow dock
Stromgarde and Taraujo are the warfront places.
sturdy canyon
it will be splitt at the Bulwark in wesern plaguelands
hollow dock
Whether you think or not is up to you, that's the facts.
sturdy canyon
since its defenceable
and then the horde will try to alltack the allice from the back
hollow dock
they've said it at blizzcon that the only places the horde will have on the EK is Silvermoon and the Alliance will have Exsodar.
sturdy canyon
going threw hinterlands
hollow dock
so that they dont have to redo them.
sturdy canyon
they said that to make it simple
hollow dock
Silvermoon is -very far- from The Bulwark
sturdy canyon
how could the alliance take over and entire continent... they would never have the forces to keep control of that
hollow dock
That's the story.
sturdy canyon
there will be some parts in the hand of the alliance
hollow dock
they do. that's the story blizzard has shown and is telling us
You're right, the Exodar will be left
sturdy canyon
lets say 80% goves to each faction per continent
sturdy canyon
80% is the majority so they are still right ^^
hollow dock
They didn't say majority
they said 'Exodar and Silvermoon are 'LAST BASTIONS' for both factions on their respective continents'
sturdy canyon
but since jaina got soldiers from stromgarde she will still have contanct that would tell here to go there
ok, they said so
hollow dock
Jaina's forces are gone though. They're all gone with Theramore's bombing
sturdy canyon
how would the HORDE... fight in arathi.. if the ydon`t have the Westren playgelands...
hollow dock
because we're PUSHING THEM OUT
sturdy canyon
how woudl the give supplie to the warfront
hollow dock
Portal networks by the Blood elves.
sturdy canyon
War-Front means that its the front line of the war
hollow dock
It will be for pre-patch until we go to Zandalar and Kul'tiras
then those fronts willg et moved.
sturdy canyon
I don't think so, if the undead hold andohal and the bulwark in Eastern plaugelands an the Orcs in hammerfall hold the Wall that splits the Fothills with arathi, it will be very dfenceable
sturdy canyon
since the alliance will be streched from Gilneas to capitolcity they will be strence thin
sturdy canyon
its the logical reason that blizzard will follow
hollow dock
Blizzard has already laid out the plan
We take Undercity, just like Horde takes Teldrassil
sturdy canyon
so if they put recouces in there team to make a warfront that happens in arathi
hollow dock
We both push DOWNWARDS
true matrix
hon if you think blizzard follow logic you've already lost
hollow dock
to push the other side off
hollow dock
Horde holds up in Stromgarde
sturdy canyon
nope they dont
hollow dock
Alliance holds up in the Barrens
Yes they do
that's specifically why we fight in Stromgarde
and theolddestroyed tauren camp in the barrens
sturdy canyon
Stromgarde is take by the alliance
hollow dock
yes throught he Warfront we will take Stromgarde from the Horde
just like the Horde will take taraujo from the alliance
hollow dock
Other way around m8.
hollow dock
Alliance is attacking, horde defends. In the barrens Horde attacks and Alliance defends.
sturdy canyon
the horde is attacking the castle
hollow dock
It would make 0 sense to have horde attacking on both and alliance not attack anything
sturdy canyon
sorry to say so, but are you blind?
just as in this picture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3OECRUbG4M
sturdy canyon
there are HOrde cataputls that shots
true matrix
I see we've reached the stage of ad hominem now 🍿
dense plover
but they are pushing the horde back
in the barrens, alliance is trying to hold back the horde
horde is in desolace
alliance is in a rebuilt theramore
hollow dock
So alliance is just in the defense for both situations?
sturdy canyon
VIdeos and pictues speak more words then words them self
dense plover
defense in desolace
sturdy canyon
they are count attacking
dense plover
they want to push the horde off the eastern kingdoms
hollow dock
Right. But then who is attacking who? They didn't move the castle to siege horde.
hollow dock
Alliance is hold up in Stromgarde. getting attacked by horde. So how are they laying siege to anything?
sturdy canyon
its because the alliance have not taken everthing
and thanks to the RAventusk trolls in the hinterlands
and the undead that hold up in andorhal (western plaguelands) they can fight in the arathi highlands
dense plover
alliance isnt waiting in stromgarde
they are slowly moving north across the EK
and reinforcing stromgarde is part of making sure they keep that hold
hollow dock
So then how are they fighting from Stromgarde if they aren't in there?
dense plover
they move in there
sturdy canyon
since yo can see that there is orcs/taurens and trolls defending capitol city of lorderon (undercity) it means that the horde have sent many forces to defend it
dense plover
and horde wants them out to make sure they cant use it as such
sturdy canyon
as you can see here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RJPq6nuduA&t=9s
those forces retret
into the west
holding the bulwark
since its a very strong defencable posistion
since the bulwark is very narrow just as the https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrIbxk7idYA 300 movie
hollow dock
well yea the horde is defending full force. You can see the scale battle of it at blizzcon
sturdy canyon
they can move more troops to arathi highlands
Blizzard said, that silvermoon is the only bastion and that is right
hollow dock
The last bastion yes.
sturdy canyon
since the forsaken have lost over 50% of there lands
hollow dock
As is the Exodar.
sturdy canyon
Bastion mean a very strong castle
sturdy canyon
so it does not only mean that ever hwere else is Void of other troops
hollow dock
Silvermoon is the last 'bastion'
sturdy canyon
yeah last
hollow dock
Bastion in this sense being 'last area'
hollow dock
its their last area, their final stand, their final defense.
that's what they mean by Bastion
true matrix
It's A Figure Of Speech M'dude
sturdy canyon
nha, they mean that its 100% horde
hollow dock
^
dense plover
last bastion is just an excuse for ignore this area so we dont have to update it
its why they picked the two old BC areas
sturdy canyon
then the Westren plaguelands / Hinterlands / arathi Highlands will be the Warfronts
Mrpeach... that is true
hollow dock
There's no data supporting that but that's a decent theory. Despite the fact that Western Plaguelands is half CRUSADER land. not Frosaken.
sturdy canyon
The crudasde is dead
dense plover
this is supported by the games data files
hollow dock
Crusades not dead. It's been broken back into The Silver Hand which does still hold the East and West plaguelands
sturdy canyon
most of the argent crusade is dead
hollow dock
Yes it is. The remains got remade into the Silver Hand
Which still holds the Plaguelands
dense plover
^^^
sturdy canyon
it is said in the broken shore event that "the argent crusade attacked and was whiped out
hollow dock
Yes. We're agreeing with you Wolf
hollow dock
The remains of the Crusade was remade into the Silver Hand
dense plover
two different organizations
hollow dock
It now holds the Plaguelands
dense plover
^^^
sturdy canyon
then maybe the last of the crusade that stayed back went into the paladin orderhall
dense plover
thats part of the paladin campaign
sturdy canyon
but tha tis all over into Eastern plaguelands
dense plover
rebuilding the paladin order
hollow dock
They didn't hold back.
dense plover
growing the silverhand
hollow dock
they went in full force
dense plover
also in lore the plaguelands arent plagued anymore
sturdy canyon
but the west of the palgulands is abandon
dense plover
no it isnt
hollow dock
The surviving forces was remade into the Silver Hand
dense plover
silver hand is there
sturdy canyon
since harthgeln is to big to hold by a broken argent crusade
hollow dock
The Silver Hand has all of the Crusades lands
dense plover
^
sturdy canyon
I think not
hollow dock
It does
sturdy canyon
we will see
hollow dock
All of the Crusade was BAKED INTO the Silver Hand
sturdy canyon
Harthglen is a huge castle
hollow dock
yes
true matrix
you're not listening, dude
hollow dock
and the Silver Hand was able to GO TO WAR WITH THE LEGION
it's A LOT BIGGER than you want to think
sturdy canyon
all of the troopes would have went over into the eastern palguelands
hollow dock
Yes. The paladin orderhall IS THE SILVER HAND
dense plover
you are making an assumption from nothing
hollow dock
which is the former ARGENT CRUSADE.
sturdy canyon
ok, Fakts 1: the argent crusade sent a HUGE strickforce to the broken isles, we can see many prisoners and dead
hollow dock
Yes. and the surviving members were baked INTO THE SILVER HAND
sturdy canyon
2: if you have such a huge loss many many soldiers and support staff would have died
dense plover
you arent listening dude
hollow dock
Yes and the surviving members were baked INTO THE SILVER HAND
dense plover
argent crusafe IS gone
sturdy canyon
then with the orderhall we try to save Tririon
dense plover
but there is still a large group of holy people in the plaguelands
sturdy canyon
they sent it many more
dense plover
the silver hand
sturdy canyon
everyone died
hollow dock
yes. and the surviving members were baked INTO THE SILVER HAND
true matrix
you're not listeniiiiing 🎶
sturdy canyon
only you and a few stayed
hollow dock
yes. and the surviving members were baked INTO THE SILVER HAND
sturdy canyon
ok, the surviving whent into the silver hand
where is the silver hand base?
light hope chappel
this means that heartglen was not defencable any more
dense plover
no
hollow dock
It is perfectly defensable dude
dense plover
lights hope is just better
sturdy canyon
since such a huge castle need support staff and many soldieres
true matrix
looks directly at the camera like on the office
dense plover
also, you can have both
hollow dock
Do you not understand WHAT the Orderhall for paladins is?
hollow dock
Hearthglend wasn't made over the Holy Vault of Light's Heroes
dense plover
you are literally making up lore
sturdy canyon
then when the orderhall forms
hollow dock
Light's Hope Chapel was
dense plover
and we recruit more
sturdy canyon
after all of this when BFA comes out
hollow dock
not enough to lose the Plaguelands.
dense plover
^
hollow dock
If you didn't notice
Horde and alliance should also have run otu of military A LOOOOOOOONG time ao
ago*
dense plover
^^^
sturdy canyon
the HOrde and Alliance lookds for Allied races since there forces is very weak
dense plover
weaker
hollow dock
that's not true at all.
dense plover
not weak
true matrix
you're making up a story to fit your narrative instead of paying attention to actual canon
sturdy canyon
its a logic part of the sotry
dense plover
no
sturdy canyon
so when the alliance attack capitol city
dense plover
you are making assumptions based on nothing
hollow dock
What you think is logical is not what the canon story is
true matrix
^
sturdy canyon
the forsaken retrets in to the bulwak and western plagualnds
hollow dock
it doesn't matter what you THINK when the CANON says otherwise
dense plover
^
sturdy canyon
that now just have some human farms and a very weak/abandonend force at heartglen castle
dense plover
you are flat out wrong
there is no evidence for your statements
plz stop making shit up
sturdy canyon
its a logic way the story goes
hollow dock
the canon says otherwise Wolf. All of the Crusade was absorbed into the Silver Hand.
hollow dock
now that the Silver Hand is no longer at war, they just squat in the Crusades old lands
dense plover
^
sturdy canyon
do you really think that the Silverhand/ARgent crusade would just stand by and watched the alliance and horde fight?
dense plover
yes
hollow dock
Yes
dense plover
because thats their job
sturdy canyon
they have to be gone from Western palgualnds
hollow dock
THEYVE BEEN DOING IT SINCE WOTLK WHEN THEY WERE FORMED WTF
dense plover
to heal the wounded
sturdy canyon
or the would step in
dense plover
and help those who need it
sturdy canyon
The argent crusade died with Tirion...
hollow dock
they dgaf about the horde and alliance
dense plover
yeah
hollow dock
yes and the SILVER HAND IS LEFT
dense plover
and now theres the silverhand
sturdy canyon
the silver hand is very weak
hollow dock
IT ISN'T
dense plover
you daft fool
hollow dock
WHERE IS YOUR BASIS FOR THIS CLAIM
dense plover
it isnt weak now
sturdy canyon
ofc it is
hollow dock
Show me your evidence that isn't your own narrative
hollow dock
it isn
sturdy canyon
the oderhalls will splitt
hollow dock
the Silver hand is a NEUTRAL faction of PALADINS
sturdy canyon
do you think that the Blood nights and sunwalker will fight for the silver hand?
hollow dock
YES BECAUSE THEY ARE NOW APART OF THE SILVER HAND
sturdy canyon
after they attack capitl city (undercity)
hollow dock
JUST LIKE THOSE BLOOD KNIGHTS AND SUNWALKERS FOUGHT FOR TIRION AND THE CRUSADE
hollow dock
They didn't STOP fighting for the Crusade
or else there WOULDN'T BE A CRUSADE in Legion
sturdy canyon
the world can focus more on its own conflices
true matrix
please stop, if I roll my eyes any harder they're going to fall out of their sockets
hollow dock
You do realize that tauren being tauren does not make them horde right"?
sturdy canyon
if it where not for the legion the BLood knights would enver have joins the silver han
hollow dock
The Cenarion Circle has existed with elves and tauren in it
despite all the horde and alliance has done
true matrix
neutral factions exist! wow! incredible! amazing!
hollow dock
the Crusade, Dawn, and Silver Hand have had both sides despite the Alliance and Horde