or both
#beta-ptr-spoilers
uncut vault
Lordaeron most likely
dense plover
his stubborness towards honor is suicidal
wild pewter
Sylvanas was a shitlord to him though.
uncut vault
yeah but she was also right
dense plover
^
uncut vault
an asshole, but a correct asshole
dense plover
he wants to die with honor when it would hurt the horde
he has gotten to the point where he doesnt care
plain vigil
Hogger was an inside job confirmed 2018, my complaining to miffinz worked, i think this is a hint at new gnoll models!
dense plover
he wants his honorable death, no matter the cost
wild pewter
I disagree he "doesn't care"
dense plover
even if it hurts the entire horde
plain vigil
Muffinz*
wild pewter
It's storytelling at the end of the day.
dense plover
new glaives
also, the construct has a mace
datamining is taking a long time because the data format was changed
dense plover
i dont think its that simple
i dont imagine his story will be "set and forget"
i think this is going to be a thing that develops over the entire expansion
and will culminate in him returning to the horde upon seeing some act of heroics or something in some cutscene that makes him change his mind
and then he goes to recruit the orcs from draenor
uncut vault
I mean, as much as I hate it, seems like theyre setting up Saurfang as a new warchief.
uncut vault
heres hoping this actually is just perspective writing
tulip sun
They can't switch warchief again, despite the hate for sylv
People would shit themselves
uncut vault
cause blizz is either writing character REALLY well, or REALLY bad lately
tulip sun
Ya
uncut vault
depending on if the biases are intended
jovial coral
Maybe she'll go create a new forsaken and leave the horde
dense plover
im going to hope for really well
especially since Golden probably has full input here
plain vigil
Hogger was an inide job though, 2018 confirmed
dense plover
especially since this is a main character
teal fiber
I'm 99.9% sure Saurfang will become the next Warchief
teal fiber
why not
dense plover
because it happens so much
teal fiber
Horde drops warchiefs like it's candy
tulip sun
There would be no point in switching last xpac if they do it this xpac
dense plover
^
plain vigil
I think bolvar will make a marrage pact with sylvanas and thus the rumors of red flight and scourge taking sides becomes true...
jovial coral
Well how much time actually passes between warchiefs story wise
dense plover
a year
each expac is a year
so its been fast and furious
there is no way in hell they are switching warchiefs again
plain vigil
Some xpacs have been longer or shorter than a year though lore wise
dense plover
we have an actual writer in charge
who is creating a book about a character
and how that character is evolving and changing
tulip sun
I hope Saurfang returns
dense plover
no way in hell they wont follow through, since that writer is also the writer for WoW now
tulip sun
Sylvanas is somewhat redeemed
dense plover
no they havent @plain vigil
they are always a year in lore
thats why they dont use specific dates
uncut vault
thats the biggest reason why im excited for BfA
for the first time, the game lore team and the book writer are on the same page
uncut vault
no more flip flopping between jaina "oh im forgiving them, I shouldnt have forgiven them, now im forgiving them"
sharp bluff
Saurfang has forsaken us....
tulip sun
Saurfang will come around
dense plover
^ this
tulip sun
hopefully, hah
dense plover
my theory is that saurfang will see the alliance attack the horde
probably in a similarly viscious way
or be tortured by the alliance via Genn
and realize that the alliance isnt any better
and sylvanas is just doing what is best for the horde
and there is nothing dishonorable in doing what you have to do to survive
tulip sun
You are one of the only people I see not screaming for Sylvanas to die v.v
tulip sun
I argue with people all the time about it
worthy minnow
oh sure one of the greatest leaders leave us
sharp bluff
I would prefer she doesn’t also
worthy minnow
i wonder how Bane will feel
meager warren
Hopefully Saurfang doesn't put up with Sylvanas's shit anymore.
I feel like Saurfang is the only npc in any expac after MoP to have their own individual thoughts, separate from the hive minds of the factions
steel venture
I approve of the children of Kul Tiras being terrified of Jaina.
tulip sun
This is not new news, but I like how it is Nathanos and Theron that supposedly fight the void elves, and Lor'themar says about them being endless
It will be interesting interactions
steel venture
She has a creepy folksong based off of her betrayal and assisted murder of her father too.
tulip sun
^^
I don't understand how we will get them to join the alliance, lol
I really hope they don't make Jaina the leader of them...it would make no sense
worthy minnow
so now what the new orcs will be with the alliance or? 😄
meager warren
leader of who?
steel venture
he won't JOIN sylvanas's horde.
sharp bluff
Yep no honor in Awol
meager warren
I agree 100% with Saurfang.
Sylvanas can destroy Azeroth if she wants but Saurfang doesn't need to help her
tulip sun
He will come back to us, haha
dense plover
he has to recruit the draenor orcs
steel venture
he still is a traditional orc, he still prefers thrall's horde
tulip sun
Sylvanas is doing what she needs to do
dense plover
he prefers suicidal honor
tulip sun
Which Sylvanas does not like, lol
dense plover
his own honor over the life of civilians
meager warren
suicidal honor is better than losing ur humanity to joining Sylvanas's horde
worthy minnow
u better see the other day than dying like trash ..
sharp bluff
No honor in AWOL, but he wants an honorable death, he is confusing me
worthy minnow
so u tell me its better for em to fall at Lordaeron than retreat?
dense plover
suicidal honor at the cost of innocent civilians?
^
this is saurfangs logic
its wrong
dense plover
its honorable for him and no one else
meager warren
There's also no honor in pointlessly killing others or helping those who prey on the weak
meager warren
it is
dense plover
no it isnt
meager warren
it's been pointless since Vanilla
steel venture
"Victory or death."
Orcs, literally cannot accept defeat.
steel venture
They would rather DIE than fight what they think would make them lose.
meager warren
saving lives by killing others is kinda ironic
dense plover
no it isnt
meager warren
how isn't it?
meager warren
"fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity"
sharp bluff
Saurfang dishonorable oh boy.....
dense plover
you kill the enemy to save your people
aka every war ever
thats not ironic
thats war
tulip sun
Do you know what war is Edgy??
worthy minnow
either u kill and protect ur people or die
meager warren
all war is pointless
worthy minnow
thats ur options
meager warren
yes i know what war is
tulip sun
You kill the other team before they kill you. You need to do anything to protect your own.
dense plover
strong people want to impose their beliefs on others
tulip sun
That is what Sylvanas is doing
dense plover
^^^
worthy minnow
Kham knows the shit ;d
meager warren
thinks killing people to save others isn't ironic
"The world doesn't work like that"
k
tulip sun
It isn't really ironic...
meager warren
how isn't it
worthy minnow
i think we are trying to explain something that he wont get or something
meager warren
if you want to save people, by killing people...
jovial coral
It is ironic but if it's either him or me I'm killing him
dense plover
one people dont like another
so they fight
the stronger one survives
war
the simple idea doesnt make sense
but war has been fought since people had weapons
it doesnt just stop
sharp bluff
Don’t orcs hate orcs going AWOL?
dense plover
yes
sharp bluff
But he did?
dense plover
he is putting his own honor over everything else
meager warren
no.
the weaker one survives.
if i don't like you and i attack you and kill you, that doesn't make me strong.
That'd make me a dumbass and an asshole
tulip sun
I wonder how Thrall will fit into the story
worthy minnow
can someone explain what awol is pls :33
strong python
is not about saving people in a general way
dense plover
@meager warren japan attacked the US in WW2
strong python
it's about saving our people
strong python
fak the enemy
tulip sun
The US nuked Japan to save their own.
meager warren
and look at how the US is today
sharp bluff
I but... Saurfang is honorable.... brain not.... ugh.....
dense plover
yeah
meager warren
it's weaker
tulip sun
If they didn't nuke japan, thousands of americans would have died in battles.
worthy minnow
fuck the red team
dense plover
lol
hollow dock
AWOL is military speak for 'missing'. Generally when someone abandons or disappears
worthy minnow
@hollow dock thankies :3
dense plover
we have the most resources
strong python
it's more like "deserting" tho
dense plover
the US is only weak if you have your head in your butt
hollow dock
Abandons or disappears. That is deserting.
sharp bluff
Saurfang is a traitor then.... but you can’t kill Saurfang....,
worthy minnow
Kham i dont know how Thrall will fit gotta run around and put totems i guess 😄
strong python
let's focus on that please
hollow dock
Thrall is with Voljin
dense plover
^
hollow dock
Not the horde as far as Im aware
dense plover
we dont have any of this story yet
so we dont know what he does
but thats the idea behind it
tulip sun
Maybe later patches
dense plover
maybe later builds
strong python
vol'jin will possess sylvanas' body and they will both be warchief at the same time
😂
tulip sun
All other leaders seem to follow Sylvanas fine
meager warren
how the US is weak...
*we are the only country who uses the metric system
*have you not seen today's president?
*US is spending more money on military than on innovations that actually matter
*US is so deep in debt, it's not even funny. Strong economy my ass
worthy minnow
i wanted to hear the suggestion of Alleria to Lorthemar tho
tulip sun
How are the first two making us weak?...
But anyway
I totally want Alleria and Lorthemar to meet in battle
tulip sun
Theron leads the defense against the void elves
worthy minnow
yea read that one
hollow dock
Understandable since theyre technically banished traitors
tulip sun
I am excited to hear interactions
worthy minnow
but he needs the spotlight
meager warren
thanks, peach. <3
dense plover
United States. The U.S. economy remains the largest in the world in terms of nominal GDP
end of story
you cant have opinions about the economy unless you are an economist, and even then, ^^^ is a fact
these types of rules still apply to fantasy worlds
tulip sun
-pushes peach to talk about wow-
hollow dock
The us economy is the next allied race
sharp bluff
Ok
dense plover
and she puts her people over everyone else
as part of the book
she defines the horde as her people
tulip sun
I think she will start seeing the horde as her pe-
dense plover
instead of just forsaken
tulip sun
You beat me
dense plover
so in the siege of lordaeron
uncut vault
we will never be slaves
joins sylvanas
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407922285282852865/423667704369512468/unknown.png
dense plover
we see sylvanas try to save her people
worthy minnow
y ik but it would be seet
dense plover
the horde
hollow dock
LOL
tulip sun
A Sylvanas thinking everyone in the Horde are her people would be a badass leader.
hollow dock
Thats debatable
dense plover
no it isnt
hollow dock
Yes it is
dense plover
the new undead council
tacit vine
just came to say
tulip sun
Sylvanas doesn't control them, lol
dense plover
its literally against her
tacit vine
it's honour not honor
tacit vine
haha, it is
dense plover
the u doesnt matter
hollow dock
Are ya telling me that blizzard writes in freshly written forsaken as determinate of the situation
dense plover
it doesnt change the sound
tacit vine
there's only one English
hollow dock
Cuz they seem happy to turn in their friends and family
tulip sun
Hmm
hollow dock
Like Grey and Gray
steel venture
the U is literally silent anyway
tulip sun
I wanna see those sweet cinematics
hollow dock
See ports learning the joys of shitposting
steel venture
you don't say "OUR" at the end of honor
so its just
needlessly lengthening the word
dense plover
@hollow dock there is no evidence that the forsaken are slaves anywhere - this is an old addage from when they were at least somewhat under the control of the lich king
meager warren
hollow dock
HON-OUR
hollow dock
Andorhal
meager warren
HON-OUR
hollow dock
Forsaken risen from alliance turn on alloancr
Yet other forsaken freshly risen dont act like this
dense plover
@meager warren look up how being in debt stops wars
we are in a massive trade debt with china
they will never go to war with us as long as it exists
hollow dock
Its an inconsistency that still hasnt been addressed.
meager warren
yet we're bombing the middle east
dense plover
you arent listening
debt stops wars
because if you fight someone who owes you money, they dont owe you it anymore
hollow dock
Cant cash in a debt on a country that doesnt exist
tulip sun
-slaps everyone- This is a bfa beta spoilers chat >:O
hollow dock
So?
meager warren
wat
hollow dock
Essentially arson
sharp bluff
Saurfang the betrayer...
dense plover
thats how the loan contracts work edgy
hollow dock
Money makes the world turn
meager warren
wouldn't fighting someone who ows you money make them owe you more
dense plover
they are written in a way where if battles break out, the debt isnt owed
so as a result, china will never fight us
and they are our biggest threat
meager warren
China has shitty, like, everything
tulip sun
ZANDA CATS GET ANIMATIONS
meager warren
thank you
dense plover
and 1/3 of the worlds population
hollow dock
TL;DR you cant cash in on a debt from a country that doesnt exist
tacit vine
China is a super power lmao
meager warren
Trump is hassling North Korea anyway and if USA attacks North Korea, China isn't gonna help us
hollow dock
despite the fact that china has been pressing on NK during all this for them to ease back
meager warren
don't i?
🤔
dense plover
china doesnt want NK to have nukes
china wants NK
they want SK too
if NK threatened nukes legitimately, china would use it as an excuse to go in and take over
and then would probably start to pressure SK
hollow dock
It is funny watching peach take Arson seriously
tropic trail
dang, these are some juicy BfA details
meager warren
topkek
tacit vine
lmao nk already belongs to china, without china they are nothing
hollow dock
If you wanted bfa spoilers youre about 2 hours late grewn.
dense plover
we are still waiting on a lot of datamining
lots of new item models were added
but they havent been decrypted yet due to database format changes
hollow dock
Meaning they found it
dusky ginkgo
But they said it's in the model viewer.
hollow dock
But havent placed it to be viewable
dusky ginkgo
"Now With Animations In Model Viewer"
hollow dock
Blame the web devs
meager warren
hi, Inay! 👋
dense plover
then view it in the modelviewer
meager warren
hot
dense plover
^^^
hollow dock
Normal cat animations
dusky ginkgo
Hi Edgy o/ I'm still alive
meager warren
coot
hollow dock
Been a while Inay. Nice pic
tulip sun
I still can't see em
dusky ginkgo
I know Vris, but I want to see the models with the animations 'cause I'm not completly seduced by this form in T animation.
And thanks! I finished this piece the other day and I'm very happy with it!
hollow dock
Oh its self made is it? Gonna keep you in my pocket of artists Id want to commission then
tulip sun
It doesn't like me xD
sharp bluff
I keep hearing horde bias..... but we only have one original leader left.... I am sad now
tulip sun
Peach, can you make a gif or something, lol
hollow dock
Its the normal cat animations
tulip sun
I still wanna see how the model looks animated
hollow dock
Like a cat
worthy minnow
@sharp bluff horde bias u mean (which is the leader tho GroM?) ::
tacit vine
Pickle Jesus
hollow dock
Sylvanas is an og leader
Lorthemar too
You guys swapped 2 charactera
Voljin and Garrosh
hollow dock
Thatd be thrall, sylvanas, Lorthemar
sharp bluff
Lorth wasn’t base
worthy minnow
When was Lorthemar Warchief?
hollow dock
Lorthwmars a racial leader
hollow dock
Horde leaders arent just warchief
sharp bluff
I mean the original four guys
hollow dock
Theyre racial leaders too
sharp bluff
Thrall left us
worthy minnow
oh i see what he meant
hollow dock
Thralls still apart of the horde m8
tulip sun
Sylvanas is the only one left of the original
sharp bluff
Voljiin died
tulip sun
Thrall is not really a lead tho
worthy minnow
not anymore
sharp bluff
He is horde, but no leader
tulip sun
-wishes thrall would bash some human skulls with us-
hollow dock
So despite him being alive
tacit vine
he was god, but turned into jesus
sharp bluff
Yes
tulip sun
Correct
sharp bluff
Basically
tacit vine
hehe
hollow dock
Ima sleep cuz that makes 0 sense how someone isnt there but is thete
meager warren
Wishing Saurfang would bash some orc skulls in with common sense
tulip sun
He is like Magni
sharp bluff
Later Vris
tulip sun
Magni is alive and neutral is what I mean
jovial coral
Thrall will come back and lead someday
tulip sun
Neither is thrall rn if we are technical
hollow dock
Thrall is still horde. Not neutral
sharp bluff
But he took a backseat
hollow dock
So how does that make him gone?
sharp bluff
Basically, yes he is still horde but atm he is powerless and
Basically Vris, he retired
tulip sun
-sighs- Alliance still saying horde bias
and hating on the druid form
for kul tirans
hollow dock
HOW CAN YOU HATE THIS BEAUTIFUL PAGAN BEAR
sharp bluff
He retired and is living with his wife
dusky ginkgo
How can you hate that bear
sharp bluff
Alright Vris please tell me where is thrall
dusky ginkgo
I'm rerolling a Kul Tiran for that bear.
meager warren
EVERY ALLIANCE MEMBER ON THE FORUMS HATES EVERYTHING THEY HAVE AND LOVES EVERYTHING THE HORDE HAS EVEN THOUGH IT'S SUPER EASY TO JUST RE-ROLL AS HORDE
sharp bluff
Why he isn’t with the warcheif giving advice
hollow dock
Because of how legions storyline functions
sharp bluff
Why he isn’t beside the leaders at the table
meager warren
cause pis
hollow dock
Because thrall doesnt lead the orcs
sharp bluff
Because he isn’t a leader anymore
hollow dock
None of this Ive contested
sharp bluff
Yes you did though
jovial coral
What if the racials for kul tirans are meh
hollow dock
I just ask how does this make him gone. Not there. Disappear. Dead.
sharp bluff
He isn’t gone, but he isn’t a leader, like I said before
hollow dock
Do then why did you say 'yea hes gone'
sharp bluff
Gone as a leader, if they wrote him back in again (as a leader) it would be lazy
hollow dock
What if it wasnt lazy in how they write it
sharp bluff
The only still active OG wow horde leader is Sylv
worthy minnow
doubt it the old thrall isnt coming back
hollow dock
But he has come back already
sharp bluff
Not as a leader
hollow dock
He fights for the horde at the shore and during draenor
meager warren
how would it be lazy to bring him back as a leader
worthy minnow
i mean the OLD one the badass not the shammy that needs to cheat to beat Garrosh
hollow dock
That is the old thrall
Like as a character, he hasnt changwd
He just knows how to cheat
worthy minnow
nah im not feeling him to be that cool char he used to be
meager warren
Everyone in WoW cheats as much as they can
hollow dock
Because you know him more
sharp bluff
Greymane
meager warren
sucks Sylvanas's ass
worthy minnow
i would trade Greymane for Vrynn anyday
hollow dock
Back then he was just some dude that reuinted the orcs. But now that hes hugely failable and his personality just refuses to change.
meager warren
he's just slightly more humane
tacit vine
he just contiuned the battle from ring of valor
hollow dock
He doesnt feel like he ever changes. Cuz he doesnt.
worthy minnow
that long ass sentence Thimes..
sharp bluff
The point I’m trying to get across, horde has lost a lot more leaders the alliance, and a lot more often, our big name race leaders are almost all gone, and of the original 4 racial leaders, only one still leads their people
Long?
I just had a lot of typos lol
tacit vine
darkspear will become irrelevant
sharp bluff
Thrall is not actively leading
meager warren
Rokhan is probably the new darkspear leader
worthy minnow
Rokhan might be yea
hollow dock
Rohkan is the new one
sharp bluff
Baine is cool I guess, but they give him little screen time
worthy minnow
i forgot he even existed
meager warren
10/10 shitpost
hollow dock
Hes been with us in WoD
meager warren
Thrall is second in command of the shamans
sharp bluff
Goblin leader is probably a traitor
meager warren
Sylv is also a traitor
tacit vine
if you merge saurfang with baine you get a leader
copper tapir
https://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2018/march/NBM04.jpg crosses fingers for Zandalari Demon Hunters
worthy minnow
what makes her traitor?
meager warren
traitor to the elves
worthy minnow
Thimes LOL
tulip sun
I think someone said those were Sethrak in design @copper tapir
hollow dock
There womt be any dhs other than the 2 we havr @copper tapir
copper tapir
One can dream
meager warren
how do u know
tacit vine
always hated sylvanas
hollow dock
Starting zone
hollow dock
Thats why blizz wont do it
sharp bluff
Easy to tell the anti horde people lol
meager warren
that's not why
hollow dock
Plus the animations are a nightmare
dusky ginkgo
<popcorn> Honestly, I just wanted to come profess my love for the Kul Tiran druid form.
tulip sun
I understand the starting thing
But Dks and DHs could have like, new races start at level 20, or something like that. Level 58 at the capitol and skip the starting zone
hollow dock
And youd have to retailor the elven demon morph forms
sharp bluff
Well let us hope it is a druid form for the murder hobo
tacit vine
I feel you, might make only 1 ally character in bfa
jovial coral
Sethrak demon hunters would be intense though
tacit vine
hope I don't get called a traitor
meager warren
what Khamnin said
meager warren
ur a lot of work
tulip sun
I wouldn't say nothing
sharp bluff
Need to make 2, one to unlock
tulip sun
I don't know coding and such, but compared to other things, it seems pretty basic
To just skip the starting zone
hollow dock
Cuz thats how they judge it
meager warren
"if anything is worth doing, it's worth the effort and the risk to code"
sharp bluff
Or they are lazy
sharp bluff
Silver moon 2.0
worthy minnow
i would like that SIlvermoon 2.0 too
sharp bluff
Plot important now
worthy minnow
but wont happen ever ;d
worthy minnow
fuck the belfs i guess ;/
sharp bluff
Horde is losing our heirloom vendor, it is perfect timing
hollow dock
No you arent
sharp bluff
He is in undercity
hollow dock
Its being moved
sharp bluff
Silver moon is the last line of the horde in the eastern kingdoms
hollow dock
And it'll stay that way until after bfa
sharp bluff
It is plot relevant more then ever
hollow dock
Its not
Because wars not on EK or kalmindor anymore
Its over on the Zandalari isles
worthy minnow
alleria just entered Ghostlands like boss if she can they can easily break in i think?
hollow dock
Places around the Zandalar and Kultiras locations.
worthy minnow
she opens 2 portals like dope Jaina and everything is down ..
sharp bluff
Not only there
hollow dock
Where as 2 will be for prepatch
Which is stromgard and I dont know where the other is
jovial coral
Island and/or Continent of Warcraft
sharp bluff
That is a good question actually
hollow dock
But both of those are still far from silvermoon
worthy minnow
which Thimes?
tacit vine
we give amani their lands back, to make them join us
uncut vault
taurajo isnt really near the continents lol
sharp bluff
Where is the War front on kal
uncut vault
rebuilt taurajo, based on datamining
sharp bluff
Really?
hollow dock
Both far away from the 'plot important last bastions'
uncut vault
WarfrontBarrens map and stuff about assaulting Taurajo with alliance
worthy minnow
they didnt say Silvermoon will be a bastion for nothing i assume
hollow dock
Exodar and Silvermoon arent even on the main map. Theyre on the outland map. To re-intigrate those locations onto thw main map is to much money and time
uncut vault
🤷 taurajo makes a bit of sense, on one of the paths from nelf territory to the sword
sharp bluff
That is true, but Nelfs and Taurens I thought kinda just let each other be, but I guess it makes sense since those hippies lost their tree
hollow dock
Id guess youre a horde main from that revan pic
worthy minnow
and the best idea of the tree going down is cuz we need Kalimdor to be Horde only .. ;/
uncut vault
theyre making it in BfA that the tauren and nelfs have always had conflict over stolen land
pulled it from the RPGs
sharp bluff
That’s an odd ball...
hollow dock
Random sith in the courage cinematic for TOR sorry
sharp bluff
Kotor 2, ToR reused the armor because it looked cool
hollow dock
Thatd make it a TOR sith mi
M8*
Id wager the one that gets killed by his ankle being tapped by Sateles saber
sharp bluff
I am not here to talk Star Wars in this chat Vris, I have other chats for that
You let Nomi in your tree
hollow dock
And you let a corpse tell you where to go
hollow dock
I prefer the human bouncing actially
sharp bluff
How much gold do you make in gold shire a day?
sharp bluff
Man Nelfs make a lot dancing these days
hollow dock
Indeed we do. We dance, we save the world thrice, we gain the admiration of the hordes toughest fighters. We do it all boi.
hollow dock
Better than losing the planet. In which we didnt open up that portal in the wrll.
sharp bluff
Old queen is a naga
hollow dock
Some renegades unleashed the worgen onto the world unknoeing of the curse.
Azshara broke away from the night elven people far before becoming a naga
Cmon gimme more
hollow dock
Id argue evolution considering we took over the troll empire
hollow dock
Actually Azsharas rule as queen was instilled for 3-5 thousand years prior to the well exploding
So no youre wrong on that one
sharp bluff
Hmm correct misread that page
uncut vault
inb4 azshara was the first night elf
hollow dock
Topkek
sharp bluff
I could see that
uncut vault
dark troll azshara model when
sharp bluff
Your acting like an elf Vris, your addiction is conflict
Considering you said awhile ago you were going to bed lol
hollow dock
Youre the one who started it. So cmon boi.
sharp bluff
It’s a game Vris, in all honesty who cares?
meager warren
apparently you
hollow dock
Apparently us because we keep going
sharp bluff
I guess lol
I started on about how the horde is running low on big names actually
Oh baby those glaives
hollow dock
Yea. And you tried to badmouth us just because you let a corpse tell you where to go.
Im personally more attracted to that new gun
Looks like a canon and hope it fires like one too
sharp bluff
Looks kinda stubby
hollow dock
Hand canon
sharp bluff
Wow elf’s are ether stuck up or addicted, it really speaks for itself btw
steel venture
sharp bluff
Does it move yet?
hollow dock
Well considering you adopt all the addicta
sharp bluff
Didn’t earlier
hollow dock
That speaks for itself honestly
steel venture
moves now
hollow dock
And it just has the normal cat animationa
sharp bluff
Oh there we go it works now
steel venture
looks MUCH better with the proper anims too
sharp bluff
That looks real nice now
dusky ginkgo
I love the Bear more but eh, skull monster aesthetic
hollow dock
I can garuntee the bear just has normal bear animations and the only one with 'special' animatiojs is the Boomkin form. Which is just arakkoa animations
sharp bluff
Well I dig the skull thing, but idk I feel like dark Druidism won’t be looked kindly on
And those firms are definitely dark druid magic
hollow dock
Druidism in general isnt taken kindly
And its not dark druidism persay
Its just different than normal.
sharp bluff
But then again, Ally’s did take the void and Worgens in
hollow dock
It being more based on pagen druidism
hollow dock
Thats the drust
sharp bluff
Similar forms with all the wicker, whoops
hollow dock
Harvest Witches, which are the Druids of Gilneas and Kultiras, arent dark magic users. Just extremely novice druids by elven standarda
uncut vault
we dont have a lot of context on the kul tiran druids, just that theyre not all about life
more about balance
hollow dock
A normal druid would see a dead tree and revitalize it
hollow dock
Not really. Tauren are more about the moon or sun
uncut vault
best comparison is the Priests of Rathma/necromancers from Diablo, about preserving the cycle of life and death
sharp bluff
Hmmm ok I follow
uncut vault
one getting too out of hand is a problem
sharp bluff
Good example
uncut vault
only they harness life instead of death to balance it out
uncut vault
I personally love it, it's what druids should be
wish theyd go more into the context of what rampant life would do to an ecosystem
though I guess lolmagic solves it
hollow dock
Its the more realistic pagan-eldritch based ones.
Id imagine ita like teldrassil
When to many boars are around, the ecosystem hurts
Same with the sabers or the grell.
Oh hey. The bear does just have normal bear animations
steel venture
***pst we've already got sorta "necromantic" druids and they're called plagueshifters
sharp bluff
Or elfs and magic
steel venture
so the kul tirans doing something similar isn't a first with trying to control the drust's magic
sharp bluff
Cut the head off the snake, and let its body feed the land
hollow dock
Plagueshifters deal with diseases and rot tho
Not specifically death and the issues of the drust
sharp bluff
All I got left is this btw Vris, most of the problems are from Nelfs, nagas, burning legion being brought to our doorstep, which in turn allowed deathwing to convince the other dragons to make the dragon soul and the eventual downfall of the dragons, lack of land, the loss of countless knowledge from their empire, worgen curse, satyrs, the whole Illidan is the chosen one storyline we had to suffer through, Malferion, and in a sense they are the reason Guldan knew where to go with the portal (since the legion would tell him where to go) so the horde is also their fault
All I got lol, to late to look up more
Which also means the Lich King is also their fault in a way I guess
Later all time to get 5 hours of sleep woo
hollow dock
Nope. The plagueshifters are capable of summoning water elementals but not in the same fashion that shamans do, theyre sorta water constructs. they can't leave fresh water like a mage or shamans summon can. They control plague to try and cure/remove it using druid as a basis.
uncut vault
so theyre plague druids, not death druids. Name is correct then 😛
hollow dock
In which Zep all of that can be attributed to the Titans having found Azeroth and making th well of eternity that caused the trolls to find it and turn into elves in the first place.
Yup.
terse patrol
Hordies are whining about Saurfang’s line.
Yet they forget this is 100% in line with his character.
Sylvanas isn’t good, nor honorable, nor does she represent the ideals of Thrall’s Horde.
Saurfang wanted to elevate his people beyond the treachery and evil that were dominant when they were under the Legion’s thumb. Sylvanas is just bringing it back.
uncut vault
the alliance favoritism screaming starts
"our factions so bad even our leaders want to leave it"
I think it was this spoiler chat talking about updated mounts earlier?
gilnean swift mountain horse is baseline HD now
rich apex
Armored horse update when
ruby prawn
How did you get access to the ptr
uncut vault
Alpha
hollow dock
To get an invite for the alpha, be a big streamer or youtuber with a decent fanbase to spread hype or be a very diligent tester or just pure luck.
tropic trail
the wowhead site acting odd for anyone else? pages aren't loading correctly for me
uncut vault
frigid crater
@tropic trail Hi. We're working to resolve the issue as quickly as possible and thank you for your patience.
tropic trail
ok, just wanted to make sure it wasn't something on my end, keep up the great work so I can see all the juicy alpha details!
uncut vault
teldrassil doodad in the files
rich apex
cool
rich apex
Now they just need to add the rest of the story text
So people can story crying about saurfang/zanda pallies/sylvanas/probably three other things
ruby prawn
Does the burning of teldrasil have a scenario.
uncut vault
Not yet, no
sudden oak
I love how saurfang is now #notmywarchief because Sylvanas called him on his bs of a honourable death and brought up his son
sudden oak
so now fighting your enemy is called a war crime?
uncut vault
so those highborne using nightborne models
are just nightborne with the team name "the highborne"
sudden oak
wasnt highborne just a social status in the night elf society?
uncut vault
It was
sudden oak
they were the followers of azshara right?
uncut vault
Yes, the nightborne were highborne
jovial coral
I'm kinda liking nixxioms ideas on seething shore
Can be mined multiple times and/or lower yields
I think if there were different nodes you can tell on map or in sight of what kind maybe it would be idk interesting
Also I'd like to see a vote system on the raid maps
If isle of conquest or AV had a capture the flag option it would be a lot better imo
They can be sort of like Eye of the storm
Heck they could probably throw airships in AV too
tropic trail
I'm happy that Kul'tirans are going to be a new allied race! :D
languid yoke
blizzard added an amazing item
Pineapple Pizza (New) Restores no health, and reduces Stamina by 5% for 30 sec. Instant.
inland tulip
Where are they saying they are confirmed?
ruby prawn
@sudden oak what did Sylvanas tell Saurfang? When?
sudden oak
from the datamined text in the battle for lordaeron
Honor means nothing to a corpse, Saurfang. You have the luxury of underestimating death, but it is something with which I am intimately familiar.
Maybe you don't care if your people die so long as it is honorable, but to me, this Horde is worth saving. Anyone who disagrees does not deserve to stand among us.
So die your warrior's death, High Overlord Saurfang. It means little to me. Perhaps I will raise your broken body to serve me once more.
Or perhaps you will have a chance to say hello to your son.
sudden oak
yeah because dying with honor when you can retreat and fight tomorrow is not absolute bs
vast roost
sudden oak
I have a better idea lets go everyone to stormwind to fight without any kind of strategy
as long as we die with honor everything is ok
this war is only for shit and giggles
am i right
teal fiber
Except Saurfang is well renowned as one of the few Orcs to be a strategist and his objections were
"Hey let's not use blight because it fucks up our own soldiers too"
But hey good on you #SylvanasDefenseSquad
sudden oak
yeah because throwing the plague meanwhile we retreat is going to hurt our soldiers soooo much
vast roost
"What a bitch" was referring to the last two lines 
teal fiber
Also if you think Sylvanas wouldn't sacrifice horde soldiers like they're cattle
You must not pay too much attention to her leadership style
She doesn't give a damn about the Horde at all. She sees people as tools.
sudden oak
when did sylvanas sacrifice soldiers without reason?
also Maybe you don't care if your people die so long as it is honorable, but to me, this Horde is worth saving. Anyone who disagrees does not deserve to stand among us.
yeah she only thinks of the horde as a tool
teal fiber
Yeah you're right she would never lie, right
Sylvanas lying?
Unheard of
She brought the war on herself, she only cares for herself, and if she could sell the Horde for a chance to be immortal she would.
sudden oak
yeah because no one else wanted war
teal fiber
Saurfang didn't leave the Horde. There is no Horde under Sylvanas. And now finally even her own "people" are starting to stand up to her with the Desolate Council now that they realize she's nothing more than a pathetic lich.
sudden oak
greymane was already forgetting about his hatred about the horde
same with jaina
right?
teal fiber
Greymane doesn't get to decide if the Alliance goes to war
Anduin does. That's his job, as the chosen high leader. Yknow
Like that's Sylvanas's job
sudden oak
that desolate council is a group to rule meanwhile sylvanas is gone and a part of the council didnt want to have immortality
teal fiber
Sorta like it was her job to lead the Horde during Legion. Where was she though? Seeking out a way to become immortal instead.
sudden oak
yeah because sylvanas only wants immortality for herself
teal fiber
Sylvanas is a worthless leader and I'll be glad when she's dead or gone. I miss being able to root for the Horde.
sudden oak
yeah the horde that was starving in orgrimmar and the other leaders had to wage war so they didnt end up starving
jovial coral
Is the reason behind burning the teldrissil known yet cause my theory is gallywix did it
teal fiber
Yeah. Yeah she does. You think she's out here sacrificing valkyr for the Forsaken? You're delusional. Only time she's ever wanted to give up her precious valkyr is so she could pretty up Nathanos. She's a monster, that's all there is to it.
sudden oak
since when do you need to sacrifice valkyr to rise forsaken?
teal fiber
You said immortality, not raising forsaken
Forsaken don't need to be raised anyway. They're not a species, they're not something that needs to exist or can naturally exist.
Their whole reason for living was to avenge themselves against Arthas. They succeeded. Go back to the grave.
sudden oak
yeah better just kill them all against their own will
teal fiber
Better that then let them continue to blight the lands and desecrate the dead
The Forsaken don't want to peacefully coexist. They've made that clear enough.
sudden oak
its hard to peacefully coexist when everyone looks at you as a monster
teal fiber
It's hard to not look at you as a monster when you gleefully plague the land around you, consume the corpses of farmers much like the Scourge you claim you aren't, and freely kidnap, experiment, and torture even neutral parties.
But "woe is me this is my curse" right
vast roost
teal fiber
Pay no attention to us forcing our curse onto others
sudden oak
yeah because new risen forsaken cant pick if the want to go back at all
jovial coral
If they did you could just bring them back
teal fiber
"Join us or kill yourself right now. Oh also the undead probably don't get to have an afterlife."
"Also pay no attention to Silverpine where we raise murdered civilians enmasse and they all immediately salute their murderer"
"We aren't the Scourge we promise. We just use all their tactics."
sudden oak
yeah because the only options are joining the forsaken or going back to the grave
the civilians that would murder us without a second thought
teal fiber
You mean like how you murdered them without a second thought
But no tell me more how your first instinct to seeing shambling corpses rolling up with tanks that have skulls on them and vials full of acid that melts your everything
Is to roll out the red carpet and embrace them
Especially if you lived behind a wall and had no idea Arthas was dead
Especially when the Forsaken immediately started slaughtering Gilneans
There was no warning, there was no announcement or "hey let's coexist."
sudden oak
you mean the war that garrosh ordered and they had no other way but to obey?
teal fiber
Because Sylvanas really cared that much about what Garrosh orders
Man she sure did everything as he commanded
Blight? What blight?
Necromancy? It's fiiiine
Abomination you say? Woe is me I say!
Sylvanas is an evil person. Them's the brakes.
And I'll be glad to see Saurfang cleave her head off.
jovial coral
Sylvanas looked upset in the cinematic watching alliance slaughtering her people
sudden oak
well the other option as not obeying the command of conquering gilneas would be death
and then garrosh would use the forsaken as cannon fodder
teal fiber
Because she herself doesn't use them as cannon fodder, not at all.
I sincerely don't get how people can make so many excuses for her.
sudden oak
no she doesnt
sudden oak
yeah yeah she is evil blah blah blah sylvanas is the lich queen her secret agenda is killing all the living
and then rule the world
right?
jovial coral
I like that idea to be honest
sudden oak
would you look at that they are the ramblings of all the sylvanas haters in all of the wow community
jovial coral
Sylvanas will make a new forsaken
sudden oak
^
teal fiber
Tfw people still think necromancy is morally justifiable
uncut vault
I mean, it’s what you’re doing with this shitty argument of yours
teal fiber
Pardon me from knowing right from wrong I guess
uncut vault
🤷
sudden oak
Sylvanas has shown that she does not only care about the forsaken but also for the horde but nah she is just selfish zombie that wants to kill everyone
uncut vault
I feel like people just ignore everything of the BtS prequel chapter except the last part
Gotta push those 8 year old arguments I guess
vast roost
I'm not going to argue that she's evil or anything, I just don't like her 
Not particularly fond of the Dark Lady
jovial coral
What would it take for you to like her
vast roost
There's nothing that can be done 
sudden oak
its okay if you dont like her
but the "Sylvanas just cares about herself and she is evil hur dur" when she has shown the she cares about the other races of the horde
its pure BS
vast roost
Did you ignore the first part of my message? I said I wasn't going to do that 
There was a reason for me not participating in the discussion to begin with 
jovial coral
He's still talking to leandis or wtv
vast roost
Uhm, no?
jovial coral
Yeah?
vast roost
sudden oak
I meant it as not liking her its ok but not liking her because of that exact reason is bs
vast roost
She's just inherently not a very likeable character to me
jovial coral
But infernos I think she definitely has the potential to be pure evil and change her mind. I think that's where the hate might come from.
vast roost
I'd rather have Baine as Warchief 
I mean she has done some pretty fucked up shit, a complete character 180 isn't exactly the most believable thing, but I'll give her the benefit of the doubt.
sudden oak
almost every important lore character has a potential for pure evil
vast roost
Is that so?
sudden oak
I mean Sylvanas is shady and a manipulator but that doesnt mean she needs to be a complete asshole and send their own people to an early grave
vast roost
Anduin doesn't exactly seem like the murdering type to me.
The only thing he murders is pussy, with his babyface 
sudden oak
who knows maybe he gets corrupted by the void :^)
also baine would be a better warchief in times of peace
vast roost
I mean, in the case of Sylvanas she has actually done shit in the past that would give you the impression that she is evil.
Anduin doesn't exactly give off that vibe, you know?
sudden oak
in the middle of a war the best would be either Sylvanas or Lorthemar
yeah most of her stuff before wrath is quite shady since the only thing she was thinking was of killing arthas
but after wrath she cares more about the forsaken
and with legion-BfA she cares even more about all of the horde
jovial coral
Does she care about any individuals though like other characters have
sudden oak
nathanos and maybe lorthemar
and her sister ofc before the garrosh book
and if respected = cared about
also vol'jin
jovial coral
I think they need to show here care for an individual unconditionally otherwise I think she can easily become pure evil like some people think she is already
Take that teldrasill picture of sylvanas staring at the tree burning where that elf has arrows in her back
sudden oak
that is a bit hard since the undead are not the best showing emotions as the other races
jovial coral
Yeah but I'd like to think she'd do more than just stare at the tree burning if she really had a conscious
Even Garrosh would give a nod of respect maybe even kind enough to give a quick death
tulip torrent
so after seeing the changes of the latest beta build
i noticed that there are mission and follower changes
thoes that mean that we are getting garrison/order hall/ something else version 3 ?
worthy minnow
@jovial coral The burning of Teldrassil the reason behind it that Sylvanas want Kalimdor to be Horde only so they can get that Azerite for em , if they didnt burned down the tree Alliance would be supporting it hard and transport the Azerite there.
Seeking the Valkyrie was not only for immortality that was the first option after that it was leaked or said that she wanted to keep her people alive.
Why would sylvanas accept Garrosh orders when it was obvious he was bad? She cared for her sisters too but they betrayed her once again as ive heard.
Lorthemar is just idk not having alot of spotlight, doesnt seem that badass as his backstory is portraying him, can they make him King why should he be in that council forever. Council of dead rebelled cuz they didnt want to live anymore and Sylvanas was trying to save her kin , whats wrong with that... ? I mean they are undeads and all but after she lost her people (elfs) and was all alone can you really blame her that much. Even when she seeked help the only that helped her were Taurens and afterwards Thrall (before she joins the Horde).
Also Sylv cant really show emotion cuz shes emotionally dead even if she wanted to she cant , so theres no way they (i GUESS) show us that she cares. If she didnt cared that much she wouldve died in the beginning of Legion. Ugh and Anduin is doing what Greymane tells him if he nods to do something hes doing it ... And anduin can have some build up hate towards Horde for "leaving and thus killing his father".
I dislike that they went that way for Teldrassil tho :/
hollow dock
actually the reason they burned down Teldrassil is 100% unknown
All that we know is that Sylvanas is going to restart the war, wants to invade stormwind, and says that there can be no peace as long as the Alliance exists.
We do know the horde launch an invasion of the area but we dont know still if the burning is their fault or not iirc.