part 1 will be in at launch
#beta-ptr-spoilers
dense plover
plain vigil
Right but you can level to 120 from launch, so it does come out with launch, you just gotta level to that point
It is vauge, but it doesn’t explicitly state that we wont get it at launch
rich apex
Was announced with the other Allied Races from the start
rich apex
Unlike Mag'har and (presumably) Kul'tirans
plain vigil
I just wanna see what the leatherworking crafted weapons will look like 😢
rich apex
But gotta finish the Zandalar storyline to recruit Zandalari, obviously
And Dark Iron because parallel quest structure 😛
meager warren
it sounds like we'll be getting it after Launch. Not during Launch.
"After BFA has released and you are working towards 120, you'll be able to work towards future Allied Race unlock requirements."
If he intended to say that we'll be getting the new races during Launch, he should have said something different
rich apex
Either way, will find out for sure in a few months as beta goes along
Sounds to me like he means you gotta get to 120
tulip sun
Maghar and Dark irons seem practically done, same Do the zandalri
steel venture
Dark Irons and Zandalari are endgame 120 content.
rich apex
As opposed to be playable -at- launch, like pandaren
sharp bluff
I think with some of the mines texts, about the Kul tirans needing iron, that they will come after dwarves when allies help build ships
rich apex
And as opposed to 'they will be playable at 8.1'
plain vigil
Im thinking if Zandalari and kul tirans are not unlockavle at the same time, the. What will happen is the alliance will recruit dark irons, horde will be like “oh we need an industrial race like that” recruit the mag’har and the same would go for alliance and kul tirans
steel venture
like
kul tirans are obviously not going to be with zandalari
they're going to be with mag'har
plain vigil
Right
meager warren
it wouldn't be smart for them to say "We'll be getting them in 8.1" because if they can't make that deadline, fans will lose their shit
steel venture
WC2 vibes
plain vigil
Which is why i said what i said
rich apex
They showcased Zandalari and Dark Iron together, thus they're out together
steel venture
kul tirans vs orcs is hella WC2
sharp bluff
Human vs orc, with a vengeance part 4
rich apex
Well, 'out in a content patch', at the very least
plain vigil
Dark irons and mag’har will server the same role to their factions
rich apex
And considering the models are already in the game
Can't imagine they'd be worrying about delays
plain vigil
Same with kul’tirans and zandalari
We KNOW zandalari and dark iron will release at the same time
But that doesnt mean Kul tirans and mag’har wont... it’s possible at this point of their dev cycle
sharp bluff
^
plain vigil
But lets be serious... LEATHERWORKING BOWS AND FIST WEAPONS HELL YEA....
plain vigil
What would a dark iron kt warshio look like o.0
HELL WHAT WOULD A MAGHAR ZANDALARI WARSHIP LOOK LIKE O.OOOOOO
plain vigil
LOL
sharp bluff
Ya gold spikes
plain vigil
So my thought then is, 8.0 Trolls and dwarves, 8.1 Orcs and humans (chuckle) 8.2 Gilblin and Jinu possibly? Cause azshara? 8.3 Volpirans...
meager warren
why would we get gilblin
plain vigil
Or even just take out the allied races in 8.2 and i’d be fine
dense plover
we arent going to get any more
rich apex
Ain't nothing anywhere near confirmed beyond Mag'har
dense plover
4 more in addition to the 4 we have it a lot
plain vigil
Idk its the only horde themed aquatic ally that i could think of
dense plover
too many will feel like bloat
plain vigil
points to slime profile pic
rich apex
And Kul'tirans are still up in the air until we see a mount or jokes
meager warren
Horde was never allied with Gilblin.
plain vigil
Ik but Goblins. There’s not really any sustinance to it, it’s just a filler
rich apex
Kor'kron Dooker
plain vigil
Ooooh
hollow dock
that takes you away from the leveling content of BFA
plain vigil
Right so you compleate the questline, grind the rep, and then in 8.0 u make your new dwarf/troll
meager warren
i think it wouldn't make sense to make Zandalari and Dork Irons playable at Launch because we're gonna have to do some unlocking them to get 'em
hollow dock
That's way to soon though
plain vigil
How?
hollow dock
8.0 is the literal launch patch.
rich apex
Zandalari can't join the Horde until the Horde actually helps them
uncut vault
I mean, I expect all four allied races to be 'obtainable' in 8.0, but the rep grind takes till 8.1
rich apex
Which means at least part of the Zandalari leveling quests
plain vigil
^^^^
sharp bluff
I think They will unlock like Suramar, a multi month quest line
plain vigil
Not if they follow the patch cycle from legion
rich apex
Who knows at this point
plain vigil
^
uncut vault
I mean, in legion and MoP they were two months apart
plain vigil
Can we focus on the matter at hand tho, LEATHERWORKERS CAN FINALLY CRAFT BOWS AND FIST WEAPONS
uncut vault
two month cycle worked pretty well in legion
hollow dock
and we didn't get our first actual piece of raiding content until what. 6 months in?
uncut vault
I mean, EN being shit all easy doesnt mean it wasnt raiding content
hollow dock
I don't consider it raiding content as its not apart of any specific tier
its just the entry raid.
plain vigil
And a third weapon thing thats not distinguishable... but still, BOWS AND FIST WEAPONS
uncut vault
then we're never getting raiding content again
rich apex
Entry raid isn't raiding content?
uncut vault
no more tier
hollow dock
Tier sets aren't made
plain vigil
😂😂😂
hollow dock
but raiding tiers are still made.
plain vigil
Vris en was a raid lmao
uncut vault
except it had the same gear look as NH, therefore it was part of that raid tier
hollow dock
So I wonder, what tier was Eye of Eternity 🤔
hollow dock
What tier is ToV anyways
rich apex
No third category
hollow dock
since every raid is a tier.
plain vigil
Bfa wont use a tier system tho
hollow dock
They wont use tier gear.
plain vigil
So by that logic there is no more raiding
hollow dock
However, tiers are still being made.
plain vigil
En and Nighthold were two seperated ilvls/tiers
plain vigil
Just used the same tmog
Bfa wont do that again
They promised unique gear from each raid
hollow dock
So all the raids are released at the same time?
meager warren
there will be more raiding.
there's still mounts, pets, and achievements to unlock.
Not everything is about mogs
uncut vault
in terms of visuals, yes they are.
plain vigil
What 😂
plain vigil
Tier sets are gonzo
plain vigil
Ilvls still exist....
hollow dock
that is what tiers are when speaking of raids.
plain vigil
Idek
hollow dock
I dont know
plain vigil
I’m confused af
hollow dock
I said tier raids aren't being removed but tier gear is.
meager warren
makes sense
hollow dock
Gandem is saying Tier raids aren't being removed but tier gear is.
plain vigil
We will get the first raid the same time we got EN, so not 6 months in. That’s my point i guess
Correct
dense plover
holy shit
plain vigil
That is what i was saying
dense plover
dense plover
i hadnt realized they redid the entire zone
i cant believe they plan for this to be instance only
that cant be true
hollow dock
I dont consider EN being in the tiers of Legion raiding because its one of the inbetween raids. A 'tide over' like ToV is and we dont consider ToV has being a tier, instead consider it being half of a tier.
uncut vault
cant be an in between raid if theres nothing before it
hollow dock
inbetween raids, or 'tide over' raids, are meant to just fill in spaces for the actual raids.
EoE, obsidium sanctum, toV to name a few.
these aren't considered as 'tier' raids as theyre just there to fill.
uncut vault
I mean, if you discount EN's full set of bosses, story buildup, and the fact that where was no raid before it, sure
🤷
hollow dock
There was no raid before EoE or Obsidium.
yet its still considered an inbetween
there's even story building up for EoE.
meager warren
i hate griefers.
so much.
hollow dock
yea griefers suck
plain vigil
@dense plover Nagrand used to be my favorite zone, as it reminded me of the 100 acre woods. My new favorite all time zone is BFA Arathi Highlands...
hollow dock
Air muradin is gonna be a follower
plain vigil
And yes, once you complete Battle for Lordaeron, most likely Arathi will update to it’s new beautified self.
hollow dock
now that's interesting
uncut vault
as of now it isnt labeled as an open zone
dense plover
yeah
thats my point
right now it is labeled purely for the instance
which is sad
its gorgeous
theres a barrens warfront too
plain vigil
Btw see https://youtu.be/jYE1W1dd5GI at 7:30 for junkergnome siland
dense plover
spanning parts of the barrens and that swamp area with what i assume it a rebuilt theramore
it probably is also good looking
no one has pics though
plain vigil
Wait
sudden oak
im happy to see valtrois again tbh
sudden oak
even if its only as a follower
meager warren
goddamnit.
i had a griefer at like 1 health and their dipshit friend came and helped them
Tank Demon Hunters are better than Tank Warriors confirmed
dense plover
woah
heart of azeroth has a model
i wonder when we will see it other than the acquisition scenario
meager warren
coot
uncut vault
probably in a cinematic/when magni gives it to us
maybe itll speak to us
Id love to hear azeroth's voice
ruby prawn
I really doubt it will speak to us
But will the weapon tmog for the shadow priest and arcane mage still whisper?
If you tmog the appearance of course
meager warren
likely not since it's not the artifact itself
ruby prawn
Are we gonna have a new command table, along with new troops?
I hope they get rid of that table
meager warren
i would think so, yes
uncut vault
cause theres already one on alpha lol
uncut vault
it really isnt a bad system. Vocal minority despises it, but most people I talk to like it because free earnings that dont actually take effort or take away from gameplay in Legion
ruby prawn
The rewards are ok, but when you have entire quests dedicated to waiting hours for them to be finished it's very annoying
meager warren
hopefully that part of it is polished but it's good aside
ruby prawn
But sometimes I just get a quest in the class hall and I have nothing to do until it's finished
And it's stupid
meager warren
do WQs then.
Or PvP.
Or Pet Battles.
Or Raids.
terse patrol
Lol, Alliance tried allying with the blood trolls to attack Zandalar, but some of their soldiers got sacrificed instead. They didn’t know about the whole blood god thing prior.
meager warren
I hope Blood Trolls will be playable.
Maybe on Horde's side since... well, trolls and all that
uncut vault
they wont be
if they dont want to ally with alliance as Honk says, and Horde is 100% enemies with them, they wont be allies
meager warren
Horde/ Alliance used to be enemies with Zandalari Trolls but then the latter changed and now they're the Horde's allies.
Who's to say the Blood Trolls won't eventually be the same?
uncut vault
cause theyre one off villains that will probably all die this xpac
meager warren
There's always the Bronze/ Infinite Dragons
rich apex
Would've been impressive if they'd been willing to buck the status quo with Alliance orcs or trolls
But ain't gonna happen
(And admittedly, the Alliance Saurfang-Mag'har tinfoil theory relied on Blizz admitting the Horde was just outright evil, so that one's best left unused =P)
terse patrol
closest you’d get is Dark Trolls for Alliance, but that’d require Night Elves accepting their ancestry.
rich apex
Eh, if Blizz says Anduin's willing to give them a shot
terse patrol
Dark Trolls lost a few villages to Grom Hellscream
rich apex
Did they?
rich apex
I only remember the Darkshore trolls
That get wiped out by night elves 😛
But I forget if they're dark trolls
terse patrol
In Warcraft 3, Grom wipes out some dark troll settlements in Ashenvale
terse patrol
Dark Trolls seem to have been allowed to settle in Night Elf lands, before the orcs wiped them out of Ashenvale.
They aided at Hyjal too
Tbh, I doubt that they brought the Shadowtooth back just so Blizzard could make a “free drinks” joke.
They’ve been hinting more and more that they’re going to explore Night Elven ancient ancestry, and the Shadowtooth would be the perfect outlet for that.
dense plover
There’s only 1 left though
terse patrol
It’s still Alpha(tm)
Calia outright didn’t want the throne in Legion Alpha. Wrathion and Baine were in Highmountain.
just sayin, shit changes
uncut vault
tfw baine still has his highmountain voice lines ingame
meager warren
It being Alpha means it's going to Live.
The Shadowtooth is going to have one member until Bliz decides to change shit up again
sudden oak
if im not mistaken there is a shadowtooth speaker in zuldazar right?
vast roost
uncut vault
I love those totems
sudden oak
with all the respect and power the zandalari move in the troll society I doubt one of the smaller troll tribes would say "we are going to be your enemies YOLO"
also gl with the nelves admiting their ancestry
uncut vault
cough darkspear cough
sudden oak
but the darkspear never declared war to the zandalari
they splintered from the other troll tribes and didnt join zul's plans in MoP
joining the alliance would be literally like saying we are your enemies
also you need the nelves admiting their ancestry so gl
sinful kettle
Zul really didn't represent Rastakhan's Zandalari, either. He worked entirely independently after being sent away from Zandalar
There's a Shadowtooth Speaker there, though yee
ruby prawn
Will the Zandalari be able to play Shamans?
uncut vault
they have totems so yes
vast roost
I wish we could just get the upright orc models already 
graceful sleet
@vast roost me too, man
strange falcon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/360882559137349632/420859708040282112/screenshot.png those facial expressions tho
tropic trail
so is the fact that blizzard confirmed brown orcs as the next horde allied race, but not fat humans as the next alliance allied race a sign that we might get something better than fat humans? or is it just them not wanting to release the floodgates of disappointment that would come with announcing fat humans?
strange falcon
hmmmmmmmm 🤔
tropic trail
they're cool and all, and I'd love to see them added as an allied race, but I don't think they can compete with zandalari and brown orcs tbh
vast roost
Or you know.
They haven't started working on Ally stuff as much.
Given that Zandalari and everything Horde-centric is way further along the development process.
I mean, just look at Boralus.
tropic trail
yeah thats true
I'm kinda wondering why brown orcs are so far in development tho, unless they're planned to launch with the expansion
instead of 8.1 or whatever
strange falcon
hmmm,could we get 2 allied races at launch like we did in legion?
vast roost
I mean, could be that we're getting 2, yeah.
tropic trail
to make up for the 2 that were lost with the preorder bonus I guess
vast roost
Zandalari, Mag'har for Horde.
Dark Iron and Kul Tirans for Alliance.
tropic trail
why isn't jaina large like the other kul tirans?
vast roost
Because not all the Kul Tirans are large?
There are Kul Tirans that have the regular human model as well, as far as I know.
They're not exclusively thiccbois and thiccgurls.
strange falcon
but those are the ones that are new
why make an allied race if it's just the normal human model lul
vast roost
I don't know where you got that from, but aight.
Because there are regular human NPCs labeled Kul Tirans, surely that must mean that the Kul Tiran allied race will just be regular humans.
hollow dock
@tropic trail neither is her mother. Its genetic.
obligatory reference of 'Stacy's Mom' since we mentioned Jaina's mom
vast roost
Thicness is gentic.
hollow dock
Jaina's mom has got it going on
tulip sun
I loveeeeeee Valtrois being a follower
Oculeth, Thalyssra and Valtrois all will officially appear now...I think that is all the main Nightborne characters.
sharp bluff
All we need is a withered hunter pet for nightborne hunters....
cinder knoll
heh 😄
tulip sun
I wonder if Umbric or Fareeya(or any of the lightforged commanders) will appear....
Lasan and the three nightborne are the only ones so far
cinder knoll
and wretched pet for blood elves right?
I think Turalyon will appear 😃 he is the leader of Lightforged isnt he?
even if hes not Draenei
tulip sun
I don't count Turalyon and Alleria
tulip sun
I am not counting a human appearing as one of the lightforged draenei appearing v.v
tulip sun
I am more horde, so it is already great with the main nightborne and lasan appearing.
cinder knoll
ye thats cool 😃
tulip sun
But on my alliance toons I'd like to see Fareeya, and to a lesser extent Umbri
Umbric
I hope they have Mayla appear somewhere.
I am also very interested in Gazlowe
Is he becoming full horde?! 😮
sharp bluff
🤷
cinder knoll
well, Gazlowe already designed the changes in Orgrimmar and was part of Horde garrison
so I guess hes already kind of Horde
tulip sun
Ya, he leans horde.
But he stays neutral for his business
I would love him to go full horde, haha
cinder knoll
would that mean Ratchet would be Horde only?
that could have interesting consequences
tulip sun
I doubt in-game, but lorewise potentially if he joins the horde fully.
cinder knoll
well, ali would loose a travel option
they already lost Theramore didnt they? is there something in place of Theramore?
strange falcon
a crater
cinder knoll
I dont mean in place of city, but in place of travel route
like travel to different city
like Feathermoon?
strange falcon
feathermoon is highly likely to be a warfront
cinder knoll
thats not really connected to my question
jade basalt
There we go, there's a video now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d0AI9SpcUw
vast roost
strange falcon
i love how blizz used the cup where they drank mannoroth's blood,as the mag'har shaman totems
it's hilarious
cinder knoll
those Dark Iron totems are pretty cool 😃
jade basalt
It's called the Cup of Unity. @strange falcon https://wow.gamepedia.com/Cup_of_Unity
strange falcon
it didnt cause much unity did it
sharp bluff
Dark Iron Shaman totems you say? Now I wish I wasn’t on mobile so I could look
cinder knoll
they look like floating anvil with color effects
jade basalt
@sharp bluff https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/416347396092723200/420913255276347393/78678678456767456.jpg
vast roost
They're dug into the ground.
sharp bluff
Oh that is a nice totem
hollow dock
I dont get the incessant need for these characters to appear when we still dont see our older lore characters appearing.
strange falcon
they're tiny mole machines
vast roost
Yeah, they're pretty neat.
cinder knoll
ye I see now 😃
sharp bluff
Still dig my HM totem, but that is a close second
hollow dock
And Dafire, the cup was meant to unify the horde under the Legion. So yea it did its job.
cinder knoll
I'm expecting main lore chars dont appear to avoid spoilers 😃 missiong champions are not that important
strange falcon
I never said it wasnt going to happem
plain vigil
Key word... some
People kept telling me “no it doesn’t make sense lorewise” which was obvi completely wrong...
cinder knoll
they summoned Ragnaros, kind of makes sense to be shaman 😄
plain vigil
RIGHT! THATS WHAT I SAID! Not allowing dark iron shaman cause their focus is fire and earth is like not allowing Wildhammer shaman because they focus nature and air.....
zinc sandal
Okay so Alliance is getting a Shaman
Why is Horde not getting a Paladin?
Hello? Zandalari? Blizzard? Please?
cinder knoll
Horde got druids
dense plover
they may still add zandalari paladins
cinder knoll
ali not
plain vigil
Horde get druuuudes
dense plover
they could have it be a questline or something to get them back to the light
zinc sandal
True
vast roost
Zandalari Paladin? Weak shit.
plain vigil
They will prob give horde paladin when wildhammer druids become a thing....
zinc sandal
Somebody get a flashlight and use it to get Zandalari paladins
terse patrol
Kul Tirans are likely getting druids.
ruby star
Oooo nice
plain vigil
^^^
terse patrol
Thicc Boi Druids.
terse patrol
I want them to have a walrus water form.
terse patrol
lol
plain vigil
Waiting for that tuskar model update...
sharp bluff
Watch blizzard lock zandalari Paladins behind a pathfinder style achievement, you want it? Work for it
sharp bluff
Same, but heck never know
plain vigil
Doubt what? The tuskar or the paladin?
sharp bluff
Pally
Since Zan are already locked, why would they make you do another step to get the class
plain vigil
Ahh, Mrpeach didnt contest it, TUSKAR KUL TIRAN FORM CONFIRMED
sharp bluff
Lmao
dense plover
i dont need to contest it
even zandalari dont have a unique aquatic form
i dont know if they will
if they do, i hope its one of those plesiosaur things
plain vigil
0mg i didnt even think about zandalari aquatic form
dense plover
and if kul tirans were to get one, it would probably just be a sea lion
plain vigil
Yea 😂
sharp bluff
Aquatic form in general is just kinda there, I’m not sad about that
strange falcon
well now alliance has 1 shaman
so it would be fitting if horde had 1 paladin with zandalari
plain vigil
But kul tiran forms will either end up being the drust beasts, or the safari animals.
dense plover
i bet they will be unique just like zandalari
plain vigil
Hippo bear form :3
dense plover
it would make things more fair
plain vigil
Hopefully
sharp bluff
.... well hippos are dangerous killers....
dense plover
but they dont exist there
sharp bluff
I know lol
strange falcon
i'm still not sold on the idea of kultirans being druids
dense plover
all of the zandalari forms are dinosaurs because they follow dinosaur loa and have dinosaurs as the local fauna
there are kul tiran druids in game
plain vigil
Uhh the hippos hyeenas and such are on kul tiras...
dense plover
and they are descended from gilneans who have a history of druidism
sharp bluff
Same, but the shirtless lumberjack bear form is just to funny
dense plover
where are the hippos and hyenas on kul tiras?
sharp bluff
Hippos are on KT?
dense plover
hyenas i could see being tied to quilboar
but the hippos are on zandalar
theyre everywhere
sharp bluff
Quillboar.... I forgot about them
plain vigil
I thought they were all in the hilly area? Lemmi check that
terse patrol
Quillboar moonkin form
plain vigil
There’s footage in the gameplay trailer
dense plover
that was my recommendation last week
dense plover
ehhhh
honestly i dont exxpect those exact ones
they have to be unique to make it fair
vast roost
The wicker models make sense.
With all that's going on in Drustvar, and that business.
terse patrol
The wicker things are related to the Shadowlands
So I assume if we got them, they’d be nature magic, so green energy.
plain vigil
No
The wicker men are drust souls, soooo shadow lan- puts Burger King foot Lettuce into mouth
vast roost
Burger king foot lettuce.
languid yoke
upright orcs in dressing room when
hollow dock
Never because theyre the same as hunched over orcs
languid yoke
no they are beautiful
hollow dock
Did you just assume the looks of non-straight back orcs?
languid yoke
they are beautiful too but not as beautiful as upright
compact merlin
can i get banned if i change my wow models?
languid yoke
yes
compact merlin
seems like i'm going to wait until bfa then
hollow dock
you can if youre caught.
plain vigil
Why is it against tos?
hollow dock
You're changing their game. They have no idea that you're changing it just to look good, for all they know you're changing it to gain advantages. Which can happen with some models, such as sneaking, getting into places you shouldn't be capable, etc etc other things that involve hacking/data editing that isn't kosher.
plain vigil
But the model would only change for you?
hollow dock
You're the only one it needs to change for to trick the game into believing you're something that you're not.
Data editing is against TOS. Simple as that. Changing your model is under that umbrella.
hollow dock
The free lunch is over as its being said over at Owned Core.
plain vigil
What
hollow dock
Things like Tmorph and other morphers have always been against TOS, but there was simple ways to get around it. Now, not so much.
heavy cairn
hehe model editing is definitely not OK, I don't think it ever could be. like, something that comes to mind is making a big hole in those doors that close when the boss fight starts
heavy cairn
OK, well even if that is "not changing anything that matters" it's still not allowed
hollow dock
Around the same time is when blizz implimented their new anti-cheat tech into the game.
meager warren
Bliz should let me RP as Davy Jones
plain vigil
😂👌
heavy cairn
if you're the only one who can see it, why even do it?
plain vigil
I wanna play a straight back orc in skyrim
meager warren
Orcs are already straight-backed in Skyrim
plain vigil
Nah
meager warren
ya
hollow dock
then do it. Theres nothing any company can do to you for putting it into a single player game
plain vigil
Gotta rip out that nice dreanor orc and plop him in skyrim
heavy cairn
I am not saying mods to change looks don't make sense in singleplayer
just saying for RP it doesn't make sense for singleplayer
compact merlin
if the new orc model is downloadable, teorically we could already be using them in-game
hollow dock
that argument was used against every other model in game.
jade basalt
meager warren
^
hollow dock
Yea its called surprise banwave day
compact merlin
i'm talking about the new models lol
just you log in to your everyday farm
and BAM
new models
plain vigil
Lol so when you cleanse the sword of sargerass the orcs are accidentally absorbed, becoming straight backsp
meager warren
All the bans
plain vigil
I’d love for some body options for humans, but i doubt it, as theres not a lot they can do to differentiate humans from kul tirans
hollow dock
but. the launcher. it kinda tells you when new stuff hits the client
Kul'tirans are either fat
or skinny
and not hulks
meager warren
humans are lame
hollow dock
how is that not different
plain vigil
Also, what will humans be called in bfa? Are they Lordaeron humans or Arathi Humans
hollow dock
What humans are you talking about?...The Stormwind Humans?
meager warren
here's a thought:
we don't know
hollow dock
the Kul'tiran humans?
Arathi Humans got merged into Stormwind. Same with any surviving members of Lordaeron, minus Princess Menethil.
plain vigil
No i’m talking about non kul’tirans
hollow dock
Right. Stormwind humans
plain vigil
Oooh i likey
hollow dock
Its almost like you label them based on where they came from or something 🤔
hollow dock
They didn't change 'tauren' in game. Why would they change humans
plain vigil
🤫🔺👌
Because highmountain tauren are still tauren... just they were given a blessing thus moose antlers
Same with drenai
hollow dock
Right. Mulgore tauren aren't labeled different.
heavy cairn
exodar draenei 🤔
plain vigil
But they don’t need to be because they are base versions of tauren...
meager warren
that's a horrible argument, Gandem
hollow dock
In the Draeneis case, Lightforging kinda makes them different.
plain vigil
It’s not an argument its a question...
plain vigil
GOSH WHY DOES EVERYONE THINK IM TRYNA PICK FIGHTS OMLLLLL
hollow dock
Kul'tirans aren't
hollow dock
Yes. Humans follow the same logic you just presented with tauren
meager warren
Kul'tiran humans are still humans. Why we renaming them?
Lightforged Draenei are still Draenei. Why we renaming them?
Mag'har Orcs are still Orcs. Why we renaming them?
Dark Iron Dwarves are still Dwarves. Why we renaming them?
Zandalari Trolls are still Trolls. Why we renaming them?
The answer is because they're completely separate from the base race
it's almost like they're a different race 🤔
hollow dock
For the reverse, why would we need to make the difference if the variant race is already labeled seperately?
heavy cairn
these are not subraces. you don't need to make two separate names. the separate name is part of the actual name, so only one needs it
strange falcon
germans are still humans,why are we renaming them? 🤔
compact merlin
the same but different
heavy cairn
bad example because in general US english and EU english are explicitly specified in cases where it would be ambiguous (I guess perhaps it's different to non-english speakers). but I see where you're going, similar thing with "spanish" (from Spain) and "mexican spanish)
tropic trail
Sup, long time no speak guys!
plain vigil
Idk but when you say human it could fit both i guess so clarifying stormwind humans would make sense, as there is no physiological difference between them, besides their weight. All the other races have some sort of magical influence separating them.
hollow dock
Theres nothing different between Highmountain Tauren and Normal Tauren except their horns
heavy cairn
antlers
plain vigil
And there are stormwind built humans who are kul tirans as well...
compact merlin
ok, better example now
think wow races as dogs
plain vigil
Their horns were a blessing of nature magic...
compact merlin
a german shephard and a pug are so fucking different
hollow dock
Theyre still just different horns
compact merlin
but still dogs
hollow dock
if you didn't know the story and just saw them side by side
plain vigil
Thats a bad example @compact merlin
hollow dock
those horns are all you'd need to tell the difference
compact merlin
i give up
hollow dock
the player model for Kul'tirans is labeled skinny humans
compact merlin
bye
plain vigil
As it just supports my idea
meager warren
how is that a bad example
hollow dock
So, with that knowledge in, Kul'tiran humans as we play will not be the hulking monstrosities the normal Stormwind humans are.
heavy cairn
I thought kul tirans were bulkier though, hmm
"thin humans" were just a random other addition from what I remember
hollow dock
Thin humans are Kul'tirans
meager warren
if humans are hulking monstrosities, i'd hate to see Orcs the way you do
plain vigil
Because you call dogs by different names based in their atributes
meager warren
E X A C T L Y
hollow dock
That's exactly what we're doing with Kul'tirans and Stormwind humans
heavy cairn
OK, let me rephrase. I don't dispute that they live on kul'tiras, but I thought the canonical ones were bulkier than stormwinds
hollow dock
Why you dont comprehend that we dont know
heavy cairn
OK, I actually see both thin humans and thick humans in that result
but mostly thick ones
hollow dock
thin and thick are both Kul'tiran
heavy cairn
is the canonical kul'tiran not the thick one though?
have we been given info about what the thin humans are up to in kul'tiras?
plain vigil
I gtg ill brb with a better typed discussion
meager warren
👋
hollow dock
canonically
No race is every subjected to 1 body type
because what is shown in game is not represented perfectly in lore
meager warren
ye.
cause Bliz is shitty at making custom shit
hollow dock
theyre not shitty at it
heavy cairn
I don't think that's true edgy. the wow engine just can't handle it in an efficient enough manner, so 👇
hollow dock
it takes to much time to do that
Remember: 1 team. for everything. Any customizations is handled by the art and modeling team. the same team that handles the world building.
Same team that handles the raids and they'd rather put all that effort into that stuff than making some NPCs slightly different.
heavy cairn
raid tier with all the bosses made of cubes incoming... (well, if they add unnecessary customization to other NPCs)
meager warren
idk about that.
they've released 4 new races.
with 3 known upcoming.
if they have enough time to get 7+ races in to the game, each with awesome graphics, they have time to increase customization
heavy cairn
(keep in mind that most of the races either have next to no customization options or are mostly made of reused textures and models)
hollow dock
those 4 races are in the dumpster tier of quality though
meager warren
pffff
heavy cairn
draenor orcs are reused from WoD (that's why they have so many options), nightborne & HMT slightly altered from legion thus having next to no customization options, etc.
hollow dock
and all of them are buggy/not up to par of the other races. That gets fixed in BFA but only in BFA.
heavy cairn
I'm hoping more customizations come, but I'm doubting it. I certainly don't want another WoD just to get nightborne with more variety
hollow dock
Again, its 1 art and 1 modeling team handling EVERYTHING. not just NPCs/PCs.
meager warren
i'm glad i'm waiting till BfA in that case
hollow dock
Same.
heavy cairn
the fact that skin color is changeable in barber shop for allieds is getting my hopes up for more customizations, but I guess it might be a mistake
heavy cairn
yes, I understand.
strange falcon
i think that blizz is working a bit too fast,and they've got too much content for what their intended release schedule is,so they released those 4 early,and will add customization to them at bfa release
instead of splurging 8 allied races at launch
xD
uncut vault
Zandalari have new tats
hollow dock
thats why I think the next few allied races wont be available for a while.
uncut vault
meager warren
adding new customization to the 4 races at BfA release wouldn't be any different
hollow dock
It makes much more sense for them to be used to bridge content droughts instead of dumping them all at once
uncut vault
meager warren
Zandalari Paladins, when
uncut vault
strange falcon
oh boi blizzard is going crazy with tatoos
heavy cairn
possibly never, prelates don't really work without their loa from what has been datamined
strange falcon
everything NEEDS to have tatoos
uncut vault
strange falcon
well osx
alliance got 1 shaman race
so it would only be fair
for horde to get 1 paladin race
heavy cairn
horde got 2 druid races, and I only see one candidate for druid on alliance (and it's not even a confirmed race, kul'tiran humans)
to be fair, the races aren't too different from their "bases"
kul'tirans getting druid would be however
instead of being a subset of classes just like most allied races it would instead be a separate superset of that subset. but if zandalari get paladins, then sure go ahead
hollow dock
So would zandalari getting dino forms
meager warren
Zandalari Trolls:
Tattoo Mastahs
leaden garden
Wait who on Alli is confirmed to get shamans?
heavy cairn
dark irons
leaden garden
When did that get confirmed?
heavy cairn
well I'm just relying on whoever said a race was confirmed
and knowing that void elves and lightforged can't be
process of elimination
hollow dock
Dark irons are confirmed to not get shamans tho
heavy cairn
so then, why did that person say an alliance was getting shaman?
leaden garden
Well there is a video on the forums showing a DI Dwarf with a shaman totem that looks very Dark Iron
hollow dock
Because misinformation
leaden garden
dense plover
Shaman v Paladin is a callback to Vanilla
meager warren
because everybody lies
heavy cairn
yes I agree that kul tiran druids make sense
hollow dock
Harvest Witch traditions
heavy cairn
I only hope that if kul tirans are indeed added and they get druid, that zandalari get paladins
leaden garden
So if Dark Iron are getting shamans we may, in fact, get Zanda Paladins 😄
heavy cairn
it would be "fair"
no benju, the balance of shaman/paladin and/or druids doesn't seem to matter to blizz anymore
what might however is the race/class combinations
leaden garden
I don't think it matters period
heavy cairn
and zandalari getting paladins would be "unfair" if alliance just got races with lesser options (since normal trolls can't be paladins). so kul tiran druids
meager warren
nothing matters to Bliz but money
leaden garden
Bullshit
How does it make one side unbalanced if the other side gets another paladin race?
uncut vault
I mean normal trolls are also lesser so 🤷
hollow dock
Because the other side already got 2 druid races?
heavy cairn
it's not the fact that it's a paladin race
it would be the same if zandalari got DH (since trolls couldn't be DH)
leaden garden
Who cares that they got 2 new druid races? It makes sense in the lore for them to be druids, it doesn't make sense for velves or LFDs to get druids
heavy cairn
bad example but trolls can be literally everything but DH and paladin
hollow dock
Like there's already an imbalance and granted that its alpha, it doesn't seem to be balanced out
uncut vault
It’s almost like Zandalari and darkspear have different cultures
meager warren
stop stomping on my troll DH dreams
dense plover
Demon hunters are purely elves
hollow dock
For now*
heavy cairn
I know, just an example because DH is the only other class base trolls can't be to emphasize that paladins aren't the thing I'm talking about
dense plover
Zandalari have a thing that is similar
meager warren
and elves are purely trolls
dense plover
But its very different
meager warren
but it's not
dense plover
Elves are trolls like chickens are t. Rexes
meager warren
?
dense plover
Being evolved from something doesn’t make you the same
hollow dock
Peach is saying that because elves have evolved from it, theyre different.
meager warren
they devolved, ya mean
hollow dock
unless you're saying all humans are gorillas
meager warren
well no
dense plover
That’s only because the zandalari;ari retreated into internalistic infighting
Their government collapsed
sharp bluff
Well they knew troll tactics, since there were trolls lol
dense plover
Its why they only have one zone left
meager warren
Elves come from Trolls.
How could Trolls lose their ability to counter the fel when they're the "original" race of elves?
makes no sense
hollow dock
because its not only elves who can 'counter' fel?
heavy cairn
all I am saying is: zandalari getting one extra class (paladin) compared to trolls would be "unfair" if alliance didn't get an extra class (druid) for kultirans compared to humans. it would make zandalari a superior allied race simply because it's the only one that's not purely a subrace. I really don't care what classes there are, but paladin and druid happen to come to mind since it's rare for races to have them
hollow dock
Illidan has only trained elves because elves are what he trusts
strange falcon
uh boi that was deleted quick
dense plover
Demon hunters are trained
meager warren
and?
the other Illidari can train other DH
meager warren
but they can
hollow dock
indeed they can. and should. but they haven't.
just like prior to the Illidari resurgance, people in the RP community made their own 'teacher' DHs to train their PC DH.
meager warren
they haven't cause Bliz doesn't like putting cool stuff in the game
hollow dock
Id say that's a pretty false claim
leaden garden
@heavy cairn how is it unfair if it's backed by lore? What difference does it make if I can choose between 3 races or 2 for a class? That doesn't mean there's going to be less druids on one side than the other, one side just has an additional race option, big whoop. If it fits the lore, then why bar it because of some phony notion people are calling "Faction Balance"
heavy cairn
in this case it's not a subrace
meager warren
i say that because most "cool stuff" is controversial for whatever reason.
and nobody likes controversial shit and Bliz relies on the popular opinion to get stuff out
leaden garden
Hence why they're not called a Subrace.
heavy cairn
exactly but all the others are treated like they are subraces
hollow dock
they rely on popular opinion because
and hold onto your seat
that's where the money is
and theyre a business
controversies lose money
meager warren
i'm not sure where you're going with this
hollow dock
and thus lose business.
You're shocked and outraged at blizzard, a gaming company, for acting like a company
leaden garden
Not really. I don't see any difference in their treatment. They get new racials, customizations, and class-combos to dictate they're separate. Darkspear and Zandalari are both Trolls, just different cultures and customs from different parts of the world
dense plover
hey guys?
map in the bottom left
where is that?
i dont recognize it
pandaria?
dense plover
hmmm is right. it cant be an accident
they wont make an asset if they dont plan to use it
languid yoke
how does zuldazar look like?
terse patrol
Not like that
dense plover
nothing like that
the left side has water
and the left side of zandalar is a desert
maybe its patch content or maybe its an island
but its definitely a new map with a place we havent gone
vague igloo
looks pretty awesome from videos and pictures I've seen of it, one of the coolest cities ingame (talking about the Zandalari city)
dense plover
it all looks great
sharp bluff
I was about to ask if it is the goblin island, but I don’t think it is
dense plover
it isnt
goblin island has a big volcano
now
also, no water there
it literally matches no known location
which is strange
hollow dock
If I may direct some attention to this map: https://i.imgur.com/YyducTX.jpg
There are 1 tiny island dot the South seas that dont match any known maps
rich apex
🤔
jade basalt
You mean these ? https://i.imgur.com/OwtXF6W.png
hollow dock
thats kezan.
jade basalt
That's Kezan and the Lost Isles
hushed sable
Beta invites going out to normal people now?
hollow dock
You'll be notified long before you have to ask in here if those invites are going out
jade basalt
You said "2 tiny islands that don't match any known maps", I don't see where
hollow dock
I mistook the wandering isle for another island. I was talking about the island off the coast of Tanaris to the east.
rich apex
Wowhead will say when beta invites go out
jade basalt
That's Tel'Abim @hollow dock
rich apex
Orly? Huh
hollow dock
It wasn't a beta invite then.
rich apex
Well, give Wowhead another 12 hours 😛
hushed sable
yeah like ~10 minutes ago
hollow dock
It might have been an alpha one.
hollow dock
he should probably screen cap it to see if its fake or not. No news of anotherinvite wave going out has surfaced yet.
zinc sandal
Look at those faces. So much variety.
hollow dock
A barbarian is still a barbarian regardless of the face they wear.
meager warren
humans are the biggest barbarian in history.
at least irl
hollow dock
We're not talking about IRL tho
rich apex
'orcs are invaders!'
humans invade Stormwind and Kul'tiras and wipe out the native gnolls and drust
hollow dock
Well they are.
What you said doesn't say humans aren't invaders. Just that orcs are savage barbaric animals that invaded azeroth
meager warren
what's going on IRL is similar enough to Warcraft for it to be relevant.
Humans suck.
dense plover
do we know its tel abim?
dense plover
it does look similar
but i dont know if it matches
its much more detailed, so its hard to say
but it would make sense for us to go to tel abim
do we know anything other than bananas and pirates?
actually, not even pirates are confirmed
languid yoke
aw the hairstyles are so
...
:(
also still no upright orc in modelviewer
am sad
hollow dock
Pirates aren't really big enough to dedicate an entire expac towards
meager warren
shhhhh
rich apex
This is the piratey expansion
meager warren
no it isn't
meager warren
cool.
but the only piratey thing i can think of is the ships and hook mace.
languid yoke
and the fact pirates want to flood boralus
meager warren
no references to real world pirates.
no shipwrecks/ ship houses/ etc
hollow dock
yea god
meager warren
idk
hollow dock
Why aren't they referencing real life pirates like they reference real life voodoo practices that mind control dinosaurs
meager warren
there's a reference to Ernest Hemingway in WoW.
And.... other people probs
hollow dock
Just jeez. why aren't they referencing real life pirates like they reference real life zombies that build citidals out of eldritch blood
rich apex
hisses
meager warren
Vris, you realize pirates are real and actually existed, right?
they still exist.
just not in the form they would in WoW
tulip sun
-is curious what brought up that question- xd
hollow dock
Wait really? no way.
Pirates couldn't have existed, nor still exist to this very day, in the waters.
vast roost
I'm the captain now.
meager warren
Captain Shumle.
Seems legit
hollow dock
Absolutely not. Everything is just Pirates of the Caribbean. They can only ever exist on the Caribbean andno where else like Somalia.
languid yoke
how do you make orc stand upright in modelviewer
meager warren
Says "Absolutely not"
Also says "Everything is just ...."
Can have one but not both
meager warren
is it ur aim to be cringey rn
hollow dock
yus
vast roost
ruby star
I'm not a Horde player, but damn those Draenor Orcs are making me rethink
leaden garden
@meager warren I feel like you should know by now that 80% of the time Vris is aiming to be cringey lol
sharp bluff
We will welcome you with open arms Drorith, or if you human, in undeath 
meager warren
Perhaps Vris doesn't know that a joke should be funny.
@leaden garden
hollow dock
Perhaps you didn't know not every joke will be funny for you.
meager warren
"ur not my real dad"
oh gr8. somehow the overused "ur not my mom/ dad" joke is still funny.
i dun goofed
hollow dock
Comedy is subjective. Dont take such offense if you dont find it funny. Just mock it like everyone else and move on.
meager warren
tfw you think everyone is offended when they disagree with you
hollow dock
Its not a disagreement to say 'Its not funny' that's an absolute.
tranquil steeple
Now to hope for upright models of the other hunched Horde races
meager warren
Undead?
tranquil steeple
Ah yeah forgot about the upright Undead showcasing not that long back, well just Trolls left then.
tranquil steeple
No, internet trolls, since they're always hunched over their keyboards 😛
meager warren
We're getting Zandalari Trolls but Darkspear Trolls don't have one.
And Darkspear Trolls unhunched would have a different model than Zandalari Trolls, i think.
And the undead Showcasing was probably not legit
strange falcon
imo if they made straight darkspear,zandalari would lose 60% of their charm
meager warren
hollow dock
what? no.
meager warren
tranquil steeple
I could still see the upright Undead model being legit, but I'll take it with a grain of salt until further notice, and keep my hope up.
Zandalari trolls have been wanted for a while because... Zandalari, iirc/afaik, and not because of the upright model itself.
steel venture
darkspear wont be made upright.
otherwise the glaring issue that zandalari height is off from their lore height would be too obvious.
which they're still working on scaling right now.
because many hefty-modeled kul tirans are WAY too tall
steel venture
oh shit son
tranquil steeple
Now you made me check, and feel bad because I don't have alpha access... DAMNIT PORTER
meager warren
they should just make all the doors on Zandalar really high so that their actual height would fit
sharp bluff
Hot Mogu... well I’m out
hollow dock
I honestly don't see the excitement of getting alpha.
meager warren
cause it's alpha, duh
uncut vault
I just love alpha testing
tranquil steeple
Anyways, I've seen lots of doorways in WoW that are way too tall compared to character models, even for the bigger races.
strange falcon
@tranquil steeple there's literally upright undead guards in zandalar
meager warren
Mogu are hot, wdym
uncut vault
spoilers for gameplay and story arent an issue for me, since raiding isnt that heavily tested
sharp bluff
If you say so Troll lol
tranquil steeple
I saw the post and screenshots, and thus I want an actual upright model/animation for playable Undeads, instead of weeping over the NPCs just having a custom stance.
Back to the Trolls though, I could see why they won't make upright trolls due to Zandalari troll height being too high, and towering over other playable races.
meager warren
;)
sharp bluff
I know your browser history now lol
uncut vault
there are actual undead upright animations, just for females atm
meager warren
kek
tranquil steeple
I reckon I saw the video show upright walking animation for male Undeads too, or are you talking about additional animations other than just walking?
uncut vault
other animations dont change regardless
all the combat anims are staying the same for orcs
hollow dock
^
meager warren
talking about all animations slightly changed because of straight back
hollow dock
its literally just them standing upright instead of hunched over.
Nothing else changes.
tranquil steeple
I imagine non-combat based animations can be changed slightly
Would be a little weird to be standing straight, and then hunch over because you started talking
meager warren
it'd be odd for straight-backed orcs to be hunched in combat but not hunched in every other situation
ruby star
@uncut vault Congrats dude! 😄
uncut vault
Thanks
ruby star
I wish I had access 😂 Feels bad man
strange falcon
there's no upright orcs in the alpha
uncut vault
Im certainly hoping they dont do what they did with the original 4 allied races
I wanna test em
languid yoke
aw
tranquil steeple
Upright orcs are just in the (BfA) dressing room on WoWhead
compact merlin
the helmet slot doesnt fit their models right now
we can't see all of their glory yet
meager warren
kinda gross but also awesome
hollow dock
I love how it undulates
tulip sun
Porter, how did you get alpha? xD
uncut vault
Just got the email today
atomic thistle
That kinda looks like a brain bug mixed with a blender
rigid briar
hollow dock
Yea nobbel said they put in the intro cinematic. No audio but the cinematic is there
languid yoke
but Genn is real
tulip sun
@uncut vault How do you know
meager warren
^
uncut vault
because hes not in the spot where the screenshot was
tulip sun
The npcs are different every time
uncut vault
there are no hozen in the embassy
they arent
all screenshots except that one have had the same npcs
tulip sun
I have seen npcs with different variations
uncut vault
Feel free to show me
uncut vault
yeah Im talking about the embassy where the horde are
hollow dock
Port got alpha access. There's no hozen for em.
uncut vault
Ill make another character to see if it randomizes
tulip sun
V.v Let me have hope
hollow dock
but it doesn't line up with anything else in the game :v
uncut vault
yeah its just gender swaps
found something interesting when making a new character
DH's finally get their underwear model
hollow dock
neat
tulip sun
That is neat
hollow dock
Why is the underwear important again?
tulip sun
I knew it might be fake but urghhh
meager warren
do DHs have a new starter area now?
hollow dock
no.
uncut vault
No all characters just start at 110 on the alpha
hollow dock
Why would they?
uncut vault
ooh I like the belf women the best