the best couple is still Turalyon and Alleria. I can't get over how well written they are together.
#beta-ptr-spoilers
hollow dock
sharp bluff
Surprisingly considering how the writing is all over the place lately it feels like
hollow dock
It's a mix bag with them adding in golden to the cast.
sharp bluff
That I will agree with
hollow dock
So a lot is pre-golden and you can see when that is, and you can see her post-hiring influences.
sharp bluff
Unfortunately (at least to me) it is highly noticeable, and not blended well, not quite a 180 but close
It could have been blended better, a smoother transition
hollow dock
but hten it wouldn't be a blizzard product
sharp bluff
very true
steel venture
Alleria and Turalyon are like, literally the most realistically written couple.
And thus the best.
hollow dock
in WoW that is.
steel venture
^ In WoW ofc.
tulip sun
I thought Med'an was retconned? That is Garona's kid, right?
tulip sun
Oh, fml
rich apex
bahahaha
proud karma
i love it
The thing about pandaren is that in-universe, you could probably just walk up to any stranger and say "yeah i'm totally -insert faction here-"
hollow dock
not that they'd know the difference
proud karma
it's the blood elf wearing sunglasses problem
hollow dock
well blood elves generally have darker skin tones and reddish hair in comparison to their high elven cousins. fel and all that jazz.
proud karma
tru, true. But pandas- if they don't know you what are they gonna say
rich apex
👌🏻
unique harbor
@tulip sun Med'an as Guardian of Tirisfal is not canon but the character is.
meager warren
who's the cabbage guy?
i must know
steel venture
@unique harbor More like Med'an is Med'gone. They put him on a 404 page in Chronicle Volume 3.
Aka "404 - Page not Found."
Aka"Med'an? What Med'an?"
meager warren
Volume 3 was about WoD, not Med'an/ Tirisfal
meager warren
oh.
same answer then but slight difference
steel venture
no. literally if med'an was going to get any lore importance he would be actually getting a page.
chronicle HAS no 404 page.
that's the joke.
unique harbor
At BlizzCon 2016, Alex Afrasiabi stated: "Certain fiction exists outside the World of Warcraft that we love, but is it necessarily what we would consider canon? So Med'an as Guardian, isn't considered canon in Warcraft lore, which is why in the last five years you haven't seen a reference to him. Um, so, that doesn't mean that there can't be a story for Med'an, it's just not like it was laid out in the comics." Afrasiabi later clarified that the character himself and the comic series are still canon, but him being Guardian isn't. <- but this.......
steel venture
It's now 2018. And they just slapped him on a "He doesn't exist" page.
I'm pretty sure Blizzard is as sick of him as we all are.
uncut vault
He still might exist, but when they add everyone associated with him but not him into Legion
shows that he was the main thing wrong withthat story
steel venture
Blizzard literally finds him embarassing.
unique harbor
That whole 404 page was meant to be taken as a joke anyay
steel venture
They've done everything they could since his creation to ignore him outright.
If you thought the "Child of Light and Shadow" story was bad with Illidan during this expansion.
Med'an's prophecy was 5000000% worse.
unique harbor
The problem with him appearing is that he would need his own custom model as he would most likely have the height of a human the skin color of an orc with the facial features of a draenei excluding the bony crest
steel venture
"When the child of the three realms becomes as light, the ancient power will be released. The earth will tremble. The seas will rise up in answer, and all will be madness. A new day will dawn, bringing with it chaos or peace."
//vomits.
unique harbor
Watch Blizzard somehow make it work....all is lost.....
steel venture
No it was already "worked out" in his comic.
And he became the living Gary Stu.
Able to use Light, Shamanism, Arcane all at once! with no issues!
because he's a child of "mixed lineages!"
godsend child!
who is "linked to all of azeroth!"
unique harbor
The Guardian of Tirisfal was able to do the same
meager warren
why "//vomits"?
steel venture
It wasn't ... a thing that the Guardians of Tirisfal could until Med'an happened.
Minor light usage yes, but it was still outclassed by their superior arcane ability.
Amazing Light, Arcane, and Shamanism all at once was soley Med'an.
He quite literally was a godly, unbeatable character.
unique harbor
That may have also been due to the fact that he had the magic of other people channeled into him as well
steel venture
Even Medivh could be beaten.
rigid furnace
The weird (and sad) thing is, that prophecy could still work for BfA involving N'zoth/Azshara.
unique harbor
Indeed we still have two more Old Gods to kill.
One is confirmed to be dealt with in the first raid of BFA.
unique harbor
that would have made her dead in legion still due to the fact that time as already starting to catch up with her due to her losing the anti-aging spells she cast upon herself
urban frigate
So is G'huun an old god then? I thought it was an accidental creation caused by the titans when they experimented on the Old Gods in order to stop the "problem" they posed. Problem being the Curse of Flesh I would think?
rich apex
We'll find out when the second and third acts of the story are actually implemented 😛
tropic trail
is it a titan facility, or a titan keeper facility? ever since chronicles I've been super confused with what the titans actually did.
uncut vault
Well it has a titan keeper, but most stuff from back then is pretty much both
tropic trail
Might missed it but, the new Azerite. If i say get 100 while in Retri, it then gives it for all specs not just one? So say i unlock something for Retri its also unlocked for Holy?
tulip torrent
i think yes
you gather azerite and actually it gathers in your leg neck
and based of that leg neck you get those circles unlocked
meaning
if you unlock something for retri
and swap those for example sholders for something for holy
you can choose the same circle's bonus
as you did for retri
the idea is that when you get a better item
you wont start from the begining
just continue with your progress
tropic trail
Yeah, cause one thing noticed with AP was the offspec. Sure, now its easy . My Paladin went from 0 to 75 in all spec in just 1-2 weeks
tropic trail
Do hope Paladins go back to 1h and shield then 2h mace
tulip torrent
i think we would have a choice
a decent 2h with crit
and 1h + shield
it will all depend from the stats
tropic trail
Something i notice with the holy paladin maces, it looks like a lightning rod on the back
And why in all that is holy do they insist on putting every single sword on the belt and not the back? Just give us the option to change it!
hollow dock
Because most pne handers wouldnt go on your back and are small enough to be om the belt and clashing with the shield you'd be wearing. With some exceptions
tulip torrent
and imagine if they decide to change it
they will need to redo so many items
thats why the animation for weapons is the same
for 2h is on the back not to break our waist 😄
tropic trail
hollow dock
Yea thats a 2h
tulip torrent
btw about what you said for the lightning rods
its only recent weapons
the old onces were not like that
tropic trail
hollow dock
Yea. Thats still a 2h.
tulip torrent
the holy artefact is 2h mace:/
hollow dock
What do we suddenly hate handles on large weapons?
tulip torrent
i am fine with it
tropic trail
Yeah. Protector's Judgment is okay.
hollow dock
Cuz that's kinda how maces and axes work. Swords not so much unless its like a swordspear or glaive.
tulip torrent
i am curios where did our modified visualization of the divine shield go
based on the skin of our artefact
hollow dock
Probably just removed
tropic trail
Is just that the handle is so high up sticking way to far. It should be either shorter or further down
hollow dock
Thats just an issue of legacy systems. Cant put it down any shorter without redoing the sheathing and blizz aint gonna do that to appease a e t h s t e t i c s
hollow dock
Yea see how horrible that looks?
tulip torrent
it goes though the shield mate
hollow dock
Your sword has broken your shield
tropic trail
I think it looks nice. Im just not very fond of waist seathing is all
hollow dock
Like its melding into your shield.
tulip torrent
btw that prot shield has really unnatural curve
hollow dock
Thats just the belf sheath
tulip torrent
maybe if you use another skin it would look better
hollow dock
Nah all their shields are like that
tropic trail
Its the Divine Protector.
hollow dock
But yea. Blizz ainr gonna redo legacy stuff to appease some aethstetics.
humble sun
It's not BfA, or the Beta, but it's spoiler.. joke? https://i.imgur.com/JWyKTlD.png
south bone
lol
dense plover
Looks like we aren’t getting a beta build today
languid yoke
guess my life is over then
dense plover
We could get one tomorrow
jade basalt
Twitter
sharp bluff
I thought it was Lenny?
strange falcon
but we already knew seething shore is going to be a normal battleground
it wouldnt be newsworthy
wild pewter
Do share!
tulip sun
@flat vessel
ruby star
I cannot wait for BFA 
hollow dock
I can
rancid herald
hollow dock
http://www.wowhead.com/news=282469/battle-for-azeroth-alpha-build-26175-highlights?webhook/battle-for-azeroth-alpha-build-26175-highlights the broadcast texts are interesting
languid yoke
NEW Zandalar Alliance Intro Scenerio
NEW Lordaeron Blight
NEW Blackrock Depths
hollow dock
No more treaties with outsiders... no more bargains with loa. Behold de power of MY god.
vast roost
hollow dock
Sky Cap'n Kragg might be dropping a mount. The giant parrot mount has been renamed 'Shark Bait' and has a description as being Kragg's faithful companion
languid yoke
ok BRD is probably DID
hollow dock
they added in the Communities strings as well
4 8.0 Kul'tiras islands and 2 RIV islands have also been added as maps.
And there is an Alliance intro for Zandalar. So alliance will be traveling there at some point
vast roost
Well yeah, that was confirmed a long time ago.
At 120 the other continent will open up to the opposing faction.
I think that was stated pretty early on 
languid yoke
looking at mmo-champ, lots of warlock talent changes
for demonology
also a bit for Outlaw, MM and Elemental
vast roost
I don't know if I like what they're doing with MM.
languid yoke
and azerite powers
vast roost
hollow dock
Theyre just shifting it away from Vulnerability RNG
languid yoke
Arcanist Valtrois / Renzik "The Shiv" (New) - Level 120 Uncommon Follower. Item Level 800.
Gazlowe / Kelsey Steelspark Name changed from "Kelsey Steelspark" to "Gazlowe / Kelsey Steelspark".
Lilian Voss / Princess Tess Greymane Name changed from "Thaelin Darkanvil" to "Lilian Voss / Princess Tess Greymane".
Rexxar / John J. Keeshan Name changed from "John J. Keeshan" to "Rexxar / John J. Keeshan".
Rokhan / Falstad Wildhammer Name changed from "Bodrick Grey" to "Rokhan / Falstad Wildhammer".
hollow dock
and i like taht
languid yoke
followers
vast roost
Rexxar 
vast roost
Him and his old ass model.
rich apex
zzOLD_Blackrock Depths
Blackrock Depths - Dark Iron (New)
languid yoke
I'ma roll 1d20 ingame and ask RNGesus to tell us, if Rexxar ever gets a new model
rich apex
From MMo Champ
languid yoke
I rolled a 9
hollow dock
Rexxar gets a new model when they decide to introduce Half-ogre allied race
vast roost
Blackrock Depths is the Dark Iron hub?
languid yoke
looks like it
rich apex
Apparently
vast roost
Neat.
languid yoke
[TEMP] RaceTrackBG - Domination. Level: 45-110 Domination. Players: 5-10. Rated players: 10. Map: [TEMP] RaceTrackBG.
🤔
hollow dock
it'd be odd for Shadowforge City, home of the Dark Iron Dwarves, to not be apart of the Dark Iron Dwarves
languid yoke
NEW Belt Enchant: Holographic Horror Projector Craft a Belt Enchant: Holographic Horror Projector.
NEW Belt Enchant: Miniaturized Plasma Shield Craft a Belt Enchant: Miniaturized Plasma Shield.
NEW Belt Enchant: Personal Space Amplifier Craft a Belt Enchant: Personal Space Amplifier.
that's for Engineers
and it looks like LW/Tailoring/BS get... pvp gear?
uncut vault
They are moving in exactly the wrong direction with Mm hunter
languid yoke
oh and BS gets a new key
compact merlin
zandalari druid cat form
http://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/710379.jpg
hollow dock
Hell yea friend
http://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/710379.jpg @steel venture
hollow dock
its a reptilian feline
terse patrol
tbh, I wouldn’t be surprised if there aren’t Alliance goblins already. They’re the most populous race, and trade in all major cities.
sharp bluff
ahh that is why they go after the Dark Iron Dwarfs... they need more iron for ships
hollow dock
reptilian cat
We dont actually know if those lines are from the DID
or if theyre just from Kul'tirasian humans
steel venture
LONGEST YEA BOOOOOI
uncut vault
Let’s fucking go
sharp bluff
I... I am going Troll Druid it seems next xpac
compact merlin
zandalari troll is like pure fan service
meager warren
9.0 new races:
SJW Troll
Midgit
compact merlin
they gave us two really wanted races in one
uncut vault
Cat is the least impressive imo. Still cool, but not as amazing as the others
strange falcon
like blizzard is testing my will with zandalari druids,but then i remember i got the much cooler artifact forms for cat and bear,and i never use boomkin,and moose travel form is better than any dinosaur
so i step back in line
sharp bluff
Highmountain moose?
uncut vault
I was planning on going Zandalari Druid anyways on my main, women look spectacular
sharp bluff
the Mooseception?
strange falcon
you havent seen the travel form for HM druids?
it's the most majestic thing
in years
compact merlin
a highmountain tauren hunter with a moose pet riding a highmountain druid in moose form
sharp bluff
I have, it is wonderful
meager warren
Dino Forms are the most majestic, wdym
sharp bluff
My tauren leans over, doesn't even transform mind you, and bam moose
A moose that turns into a moose, can ride a moose, can tame a moose, and can pet battle with multiple moose
moose!
meager warren
meese*
compact merlin
who was that dev that promised us a moose?
strange falcon
gtfo off the server
meager warren
MEESE
steel venture
idk about y'all but its literally a gorgonopsid
sharp bluff
I guess we also have that flying moose, and the ghost moose
steel venture
so i'm happy.
and i'm p sure vris is too @hollow dock
sharp bluff
and the corrupted moose
compact merlin
corrupted moose
strange falcon
i was saying,Dino forms are COOL,which is miles and kilometers different from majestic and fabulous
hollow dock
We're both very happy
strange falcon
now,tell me this isnt majestic https://clips.twitch.tv/PoisedAttractiveHareUncleNox
meager warren
ok.
it isn't majestic
strange falcon
😡
meager warren
😉
strange falcon
honest opinion the cat form is the one that looks the worst with the boomkin looking the best
meager warren
orly
hollow dock
MURDER CATLIZARDS ARE THE BEST LIZARDS!
meager warren
^
strange falcon
it looks like a genetic abomination once you take the hype glasses off
compared to the bear and boomkin which actually look reasonable
hollow dock
that's all of the forms though
they all look like unholy abominations of science going to far
strange falcon
no
you dont understand
bear form is a turtle with spikes
that's okay
boomkin
is an arakkoa from wod
fantastic
then you come to catform
steel venture
bear form isn't a turtle.
strange falcon
and wtf am i looking at
strange falcon
are you going to be #speciesnazi here
meager warren
DoN'T DisS mY MuRdeR LIzARd!
strange falcon
that's just what i'm going to do 😛
meager warren
rooooood
strange falcon
i never said i was going to be nice 😄
strange falcon
well,that's a stupid argument yes
my point for them being UNLIKELY to be playable is bcuz of them being ONLY hostile
hollow dock
yes fire we will be species nazis because blizz did their damnest
meager warren
^
steel venture
blizz actually looks like they did their HOMEWORK for these forms
they're fuckin cool
ok?
ok.
meager warren
lul
strange falcon
@steel venture @hollow dock now tell me exactly what species that cat is
and that it isnt
meager warren
Reptile
strange falcon
just a genetic abomination
that's been designed by some people who were too high to be working
meager warren
ye
hollow dock
We actually went over that as we discussed possibilities
hang on lemme get the species exactly
meager warren
http://prntscr.com/inuw75
it's cute tho
steel venture
inostrancevia @hollow dock
At least Blizzard's close take on it.
It's not SUPPOSED to be a cat.
It's supposed to be a mammalian-like reptile.
meager warren
besides...
cat forms are so last year
strange falcon
but it doesn't have spikes
hollow dock
That's blizzard adding it on
Most feathered bird-like dinos didn't have spikes either
meager warren
it's a cross between that and the spikey-backed creature.
stegosaur, i think
steel venture
And the ankylo-bear is missing it's tail. Your point?
It's blizzard taking their own design spin on it to make it fit azeroth.
strange falcon
blizzard thinks like the for honor devs,spikes will make anything cooler
steel venture
actually! dimetrodon was also related to this thing too
so the spikes actually make some sense.
for an azerothian design
hollow dock
theyre not wrong, Dafire.
Especially since most dinosaurs have inexplicable spikes on them in Warcrafts universe
compact merlin
if blizzard wanted, they could just retextured the cat model to have scales
strange falcon
and if something already has spikes,add bigger spikes
hollow dock
They did. That's this monstrosity.
meager warren
tfw people here try to talk science.
almost never works
hollow dock
its a video game. Our logic and science can't apply here perfectly
strange falcon
all in all,blizz failed to make my moose faith waver enough to warrant a race change
now of they made vulpera druids for horde
that might do it
hollow dock
Theyre not meant to try and force you to change?
They're just making an enticing reason to go play that race if you're into it.
steel venture
idk all dino forms would make me wanna have like just
all of these zandas.
literally the dedication to have ALL of the forms be dinosaurs is A++
hollow dock
I absolutely despise the horde but here I am going to level 2 horde toons so I can be a dinosaur
steel venture
i'm not going to be surprised if the aquatic form is a thresadon
strange falcon
they're the only entirely new model forms out of all races,OBVIOUSLY its trying to force you to change
vast roost
Lies and deception, Allied Races are just a scheme to make more money from race changes.
hollow dock
Maybe a mosa
vast roost
/s
steel venture
or a mosa ya
hollow dock
Oh I hope its a mosa
meager warren
i wanna have a zanda druid and warrior
compact merlin
ok, this cat form could turn out to be pretty good
https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.net/teso_gamepedia/9/99/Screenshot_Durzog.jpg?version=a7841b134e385cd3a886271280a3c841
terse patrol
Wonder if we’ll see more datamined models.
meager warren
we probably will
terse patrol
I assume since they’re working on the Dark Iron areas now, we’ll see some Dark Iron stuff.
hollow dock
http://images.dinosaurpictures.org/mosasaurus3_8967.jpg now give me this as the aquatic form
and we're solid
terse patrol
We’ve only seen the dark iron steam tank so far
vast roost
Well the Blackrock Depths stuff does give the impression that they're working on it.
vast roost
meager warren
seeing Mosasaurus would be cool.
But they're so big ;-;
At least, they are in Jurassic Park.
Wonder how Warcraft will do 'em
hollow dock
They can get shrunk. Or they could just be the smaller family members of the mosa line
uncut vault
Honk the new tanks aren’t dark iron
terse patrol
“Battle for Blackrock Mountain - Brawl. Level: 110-120. Players: 10-40. Map: Battle for Blackrock Mountain.”
Dank
@uncut vault
meager warren
Tul'kiras tank?
uncut vault
Not new, the dark iron tank models were added in WoD iirc
hollow dock
that definately looks like Thaelins tank from WoD
terse patrol
Oic
terse patrol
They just posted upright orcs
meager warren
coot
leaden garden
hollow dock
ye
It's the murder catlizard me and xan theorized it could be
we're very happy parents of blizzard
sharp bluff
Oh god, those upright orcs
meager warren
hot
sharp bluff
🤤
terse patrol
they thicc
meager warren
THICC
sharp bluff
I'm not that kind of orc, but straight backed orc is mmmm
meager warren
vague igloo
I was fine with the hunchback, but they do look nice with a straight back
rich apex
Chad orcs
sharp bluff
cursed?
uncut vault
I think wowhead datamined something wrong
cause they got all the baseline orc hairstyles and facial hair for maghar
when people have gotten new ones
sharp bluff
Maybe we will get frostmourne? wishful thinking
tulip sun
The upright model is for normal orcs as well
uncut vault
Yeah the article is just presented weird and kinda clickbaity.
hollow dock
Might be a DK themed weapon
but not an actual DK weapon
We already got Frostmourne Zep, it was reforged into the Twin Blades :v
uncut vault
we also already got an updated frostmourne model in legion
sharp bluff
Twin blades? yuck give me a 2 hander
uncut vault
sharp bluff
That was the blade I wanted T.T
tulip sun
Beta build? What does that mean
Also....followers were updated
Thaelin was replaced by tess greymane, and the horde ones were added
sharp bluff
Well.. not like most of us can name many Forasken Champs beside her and Nath
I know I can't
uncut vault
but a big part of her story is kinda despising the undead
suddenly turning to lol serve sylvanas would be bad storytelling
falstad as a champion shows that theyre not above putting big characters as our followers
just swap her for nathanos
sharp bluff
I think he will have to much plot relevance for that
meager warren
Lillian Voss should be a Horde champ, ya mean
sharp bluff
And she doesn't have to really serve Sylvanis to be a forsaken champ, I think we have a council somewhere
uncut vault
but she doesnt just hate sylv. Hell, she probably doesnt care about sylv in particular. She just despises undeath.
sharp bluff
^
meager warren
so?
A lot of Horde people hate undeath
sharp bluff
Forsaken DK really hate undeath
meager warren
Forsaken are the outcasts of the Horde, like Worgen are of the Alliance
sharp bluff
you mispelled gnomes Edgy
tulip sun
Idk her name xD
uncut vault
Id love that, actually
meager warren
wat
uncut vault
dark ranger champ would be better, and cooler
meager warren
I don't remember gnomes being hated in the Gnome storyline
tulip sun
Gazlowe too, lol. I love him, but wanna know -why-.
tulip sun
Valtrois is nice- all nightborne main leaders returned now.
tulip sun
Valtrois is the counterpart to Renzik(goblin SI:7)
Gazlowe is the counterpart to Kelsey
Lilian Voss to Tess Greymane; same as rogue order hall
Rexxar and Keeshan
Then Rokhan and Falstad
meager warren
if we get a goblin allied race, i hope they hate each other and that the new goblin race is a lot better than Gazlowe and others like him
tulip sun
So seems only five followers
uncut vault
make em all bodyguards blizz
tulip sun
I have a feeling Renzik may be replaced
I mean, I'd like to see his story and know more about him
But I can see alliance throwing fits
uncut vault
I mean, I can more see hordies throw fits that alliance is getting a goblin on their side
meager warren
you mean, Horde and Alliance will throw fits?
tulip sun
Renzik has been alliance for ages
uncut vault
both sides will because nobody can be pleased
meager warren
Horde are never satisfied and Alliance never get anything
tulip sun
Goblins are not strictly horde.
uncut vault
yes but expecting people to be rational about faction stuff?
meager warren
expecting people to be rational in bfa-beta-spoilers
:khadgarface:
meager warren
COOT
sharp bluff
oh? link it
sharp bluff
thanks
dense plover
it has a LOT of clipping issues
tulip sun
Guys. I just noticed bodrick also was removed
rich apex
who
sharp bluff
hmmm not showing animations for me
meager warren
"The name's Rick. Bodrick."
rich apex
Oh
dense plover
cant check updated maps yet
marlamin hasnt updated their site
maybe at work or asleep
so tomorrow probably
high crag
Where is the animations peach? I can not see them on the feral page.
uncut vault
I see em, pretty nice
plain vigil
k this place isnt big on speculation, but the tinfoil kingdom wont respond sooo
Watch The ritual on netflix, then watch this video https://youtu.be/QtI9J-CzcUU , than Read about HP lovecraft’s Black goat...
I think there is another old god... but its not on zandalar, it’s on kul tiras.
This movie is based on a book which is heavily influenced by norse culture/myths and HP lovecraftian books...
Blizz uses heavy influence from both ends
plain vigil
i belive that there is a new old god in drustivar...
dense plover
there isnt
plain vigil
but can you prove me wrong?
dense plover
you cant just make an old god
uncut vault
I mean, I think theres another big powerful THING on kul tiras, I dont think its an old god
dense plover
they are the size of continents
uncut vault
Im fairly sure its whatever the stormsong sea priests are worshipping
dense plover
also, theyve confirmed several times that there are only 4
sea priests probably worship nzoth
right location
uncut vault
They dont
plain vigil
so then N'zoth @uncut vault
plain vigil
whaaat
meager warren
old gods the size of continents wut
dense plover
they are
plain vigil
debateable
dense plover
the pieces we fight are like a tiny piece
meager warren
wut
dense plover
no its not
plain vigil
we don't know how large they are...
uncut vault
they worship something water related, N'zoth clearly wants its power.
dense plover
chronicles
plain vigil
it's not a fact its speculation
steel venture
---its from chornicle.
dense plover
they are continent sized
plain vigil
chronicles implies it but it doesnt outrighte state it
steel venture
they are mountans upon mountains of flesh
dense plover
yes it does
plain vigil
even then there can still be a contenent sized old god in kul tiras
dense plover
yogg sauron can literally reach stormwind from northrend
dense plover
no there cant
there are only 4 old gods
and yshaarj is dead
they arent going to add a new one
steel venture
g'huun is an experiment, not a true old god
dense plover
the entire purpose of chronicles is to say what is what for the lore
plain vigil
unless chronicle is written by the viewof the titans and thus they're lying to us
steel venture
..
dense plover
it isnt
steel venture
WHAT.
dense plover
its fucking out of character lore
steel venture
WHY IN THE FUCK WOULD IT BE WRITTEN LIKE THAT?
steel venture
chronicle isn't a story its an encyclopedia
dense plover
thats the fucking point
it doesnt state it
thats what it is advertised as
and thats how its written
plain vigil
exactly, so there is a possibility that it is written within wow...
dense plover
its a lore encycloperdia
steel venture
an encyclopedia
plain vigil
yall are no fun. c'mon speculate a little.
plain vigil
okay answer me this then, what is argus?
meager warren
it doesn't explicitly state that it's ooc but it's pretty obviously ooc
plain vigil
but what does he represent?
dense plover
nothing
plain vigil
death.
dense plover
no
plain vigil
he's the titan of death...
dense plover
thats a bullshit rumor started by some dumbass
its not anywhere
its made up
find a single source for tyhis
not feelings
uncut vault
Pyromancer based his theory on an incorrect fact.
dense plover
not ideas
steel venture
he's not a fucking titan of death
plain vigil
it's litterally hinted in game
plain vigil
okay then what is he the titan of?
steel venture
sargeras TORTURED ARGUS FOR 25K YEARS
dense plover
nothing
titans arent of anything
they just are
some have tendencies towards certain things
aspects they focus on
plain vigil
every titan has a power that they use. eonar for examplke is the titan of life.
steel venture
Azeroth is the most powerful titan, but she is not "of" anything.
plain vigil
so what power is argus's
meager warren
how is it hinted that he's the titan of death?
steel venture
...Stars?
dense plover
titans dont have to have a power
plain vigil
his in game abilities....
uncut vault
except sargeras wasnt a titan of anything before becoming the dark titan
dense plover
azeroth doesnt
uncut vault
he was just a bigass dude with a sword
steel venture
Because he's LITERALLY fucking controlling stars and shit in his fight?
dense plover
and sargeras wasnt anything until the fel
steel venture
and you're grasping at straws if you say "but,,, but he has a reaping scythe!!"
meager warren
in-game abilities doesn't tell us anything about a character
steel venture
because sargeras broke his mind and corrupted him for 25,000 years
plain vigil
he's controlling reorigination modules, which is what the titans use to wipe planets of all life...
uncut vault
hes using something all titans have?
uncut vault
aman'thul is the titan of death theb
plain vigil
so he litterally tries to kill the universe in the fight...
dense plover
they are created by the titans
meager warren
:thonking:
not sure if trolling or serious
dense plover
no he doesnt
steel venture
You realize that the Seat of the Pantheon is the control center of the entire universe.
plain vigil
i'm serious, yall just don't have an open mind
uncut vault
btw, the power argus has in the fight is from sargeras
dense plover
sargeras is stronger than argus by 100s of times, and has to manually destroy planets
plain vigil
is it though? the titans can't control what the old gods do, thus i wouldnt call it a control center./
dense plover
argus isnt trying to destroy the universe
uncut vault
he finishes the corruption of the world soul as the titans are trying to waken it
meager warren
tfw people try to ruin in-game lore with their own conjecture no matter how much it makes no sense
dense plover
he is trying to kill us so sargeras can kill azeroth
meager warren
oh wait, that's just another day here
dense plover
so that the old gods cant make a corrupt titan
plain vigil
whatever, you'll all see eventually. Argus will be reborn when his peices, the old gods, return to him/
plain vigil
I just wanted to ping an idea about drustivar around and yall just shut it down and derailed it...
plain vigil
lmao
dense plover
and i dont want to argue with someone who thinks speculation is making shit up and listening to others instead of reading the material for themselves
plain vigil
i'm not trying to argue, i want a civil discussion
meager warren
what peach said
plain vigil
but you keep shutting me down without taking a second to listen
uncut vault
im gonna guess you also believe that sargeras' sword is imbued with argus' death powers
sharp bluff
So is Undermine gonna be a dungeon? cause they say Venture Co took it over in BfA
Or do goblins get it?
uncut vault
It is a dungeon, thats probably why its a dungeon
dense plover
^
plain vigil
@uncut vault that has nothing to do with my origional poiunt, can we return to what i weas saying before it got derailed please?
uncut vault
I mean, we addressed that too. We know there's no other void spawned old gods on azeroth
and i doubt the titans fucked up like ghuun twice
dense plover
^
also, all old gods are related to titan facilities
there are no titan facilities we know of on kul tiras
they are all on zandalar
uncut vault
the stuff in drustvar probably has more to do with the drust themselves
dense plover
^
meager warren
we haven't been to Kul'Tiras yet.
At least, since Vanilla
uncut vault
if theyre related to the titans or old gods, cool, but they arent an old god
plain vigil
i'm trying to say that it may be beneficial to check out info on the black goat from lovecraft writings, as the old gods are based on them...
plain vigil
the drust idea follows the same idea of trying to keep imortality as the black goat tho...
dense plover
it follows the old slavic witch idea
which is what the drust are based on
have you played the witcher?
based on the same folklore
uncut vault
the drust arent about immortality tho
dense plover
^
plain vigil
right, but blizz likes to use lovecraft in it's lore...
uncut vault
its quite clearly said theyre only still around to get vengeance on the kul tirans
plain vigil
the idea of the drust is using the spirit of them to create drust constructs of which they inhabit....
dense plover
blizz hasnt used much lovecraft since vanilla when they first designed the old gods
they arent actively using it
yeah
plain vigil
ofc they changed the story a bit but the underlying idea is still there
plain vigil
uhh wtf you mean boy where do you think sea preists came from?
dense plover
its old folklore from eastern west-europe
meager warren
The Old Gods are still based on Lovecraft.
But they haven't brought any new Lovecraft things into WoW.
WoW is more based on Tolkien than Lovecraft
dense plover
you mean sea priests? aka the thing old slavic cultures had?
uncut vault
lovecraft did not invent spirits inhabiting things and worshiping the ocean
plain vigil
sea preists? they're compleatly based on the priests of lovecraft who would exchange servitude to c'thulu for fish and such
not saying he did porter...
dense plover
where do you think lovecraft got it from
have you ever thought they both pull from the same source material instead of one copying the other?
uncut vault
except sea priests dont worship n'zoth, who is the only old god under the sea, so not really a parallel.
dense plover
because thats the actual case
steel venture
lovecraft didn't invent anything he used really.
he borrowed inspiration from various cultures.
dense plover
^
steel venture
like literally all writers do.
plain vigil
Of all the mythos deities, Shub-Niggurath is probably the most extensively worshipped. Her worshippers include the Hyperboreans, the Muvians, and the people of Sarnath, as well as any number of druidic and barbaric cults. She is also worshipped by the non-human species of the mythos, such as the "Fungi from Yuggoth" from the wiki on the black goat... black goat pet DATAMINED, mushroom people DATAMINED, druidic witch cults DATAMINED
plain vigil
litterally talks about the fungus people in here
steel venture
of pagan cultures
steel venture
its LITERALLY APART OF PAGANISM IN EUROPE
dense plover
they pulled from the same source
they arent copying lovecraft
its like inventing a sandwich because you have bread and meat
plain vigil
they aren't copying, they're inspired by...
dense plover
you both have the materials, so ofc the thing you invent will be similar
uncut vault
yeah maybe dont think blizz is gonna pull from lovecrafts overt racism
dense plover
^
plain vigil
no it's like replicating a cuban, adding some peperchini and calling it a paisano....
dense plover
no it isnt
plain vigil
lol what @uncut vault
dense plover
lovecraft is very racist
steel venture
lmao dude lovcraft is racist as fuck yeah
dense plover
i dont know how you like lovecraft so much and havent noticed
racist and sexist
but seriously
they pull from the same source
wow isnt copying lovecraft
both were inspired by things from real world cultures
uncut vault
only thing it really copied was the names in vanilla just because it didnt have much to pull on
the similarities kinda stop there
cthulu and cthun are basically nothing alike
steel venture
ye.
hell, nzoth is more like cthulu
despite his inspiration at first being a totally different lovecraftian elder god
plain vigil
what does racism have to do with borrowing fantasy, i never said they'd take the raist parts...
you're using non sequitur arguments....
to try and debunk my idea.
just cause you dont want to be wrong
uncut vault
I mean, read the name of the "extensively worshiped" god you think is going to appear in kul tiras
meager warren
i have a feeling Gandem is trolling
uncut vault
I hope so
plain vigil
ahhh i actually didnt notice that...
they'd obviously change the name, but thats the lovecraftian source name so that's what i'm referencing
not trolling 100% honest
also, borowing... not borring XD
@meager warren
meager warren
it's possible for two things to take inspiration from another thing without either of those two things copying each other
plain vigil
but the stories are intertwined in such a similar manner....
meager warren
for them to be similar doesn't mean either is copying the other one.
plain vigil
find me the seperate instances of the drust, the mushroom people, and the epethet of a black goat...
cause i would love to be proven wrong right now...
plain vigil
lmao that's amazing
dense plover
apparently the middle of nazmir has been finished
adding an entrance to the underrot
and getting fully textured and stuff
no pics yet
meager warren
that doesn't look Lovecraftian at all
plain vigil
right, i read more into it, i'm pretty sure what ever is controlling the nightmare, it's related to Shub-Niggurath
dense plover
yeah its labelled as blood elemental
its tied to ghuun
breaking your theory again
underrot needs trash
plain vigil
Shub-Niggurath uses a black goat to do it's buisness, thus the final boss in en
dense plover
i expect to see it there
goatmen are evil
thats biblical more than anything else
and xavius has been around for a long long time
steel venture
also uh
dense plover
he wasnt a new character
steel venture
the demon goat is literally
plain vigil
they could be linked.. i wouldnt be surprized if the cause of the blood issues and drustivar happen through the nightmare, thus they would be connected
steel venture
bahamout
meager warren
Goat, black or otherwise, being evil is more likely a reference to the Abrahamic Religion than Lovecraft
steel venture
the same horn style and everything
dense plover
drustvar and blood stuff in nazmir are not related
nazmir stuff is ghuun
ghuun is trapped in uldir
plain vigil
link @steel venture all i can find is the sea serpent
no @meager warren the evil goats rooted from catholisism, not abrahamic times...
steel venture
--- yeah my b
plain vigil
oh lol
steel venture
baphomet
plain vigil
xavus, is what i'm saying is the black goat, and Shub-Niggurath used him to spread the nightmare...
just as it happened in lovecraft writing
dense plover
except thats not true
meager warren
ok then, Middle Eastern religion
meager warren
Xavius is a satyr.
Satyr are greek mythology themed
plain vigil
f nightelfs... i'm a void elf
plain vigil
yea pretty much XDF
mrpeach why do you have to be so rude though? can you leave the insults out of the convo please
meager warren
if you decided to hold just a bit of common sense, peach may be obligated not to seem so annoyed
plain vigil
I hgave common sense, i'm just trying to give my idea and yall wont even consider it a possibility...
dense plover
because it isnt possible
when something is impossible, you cant accept it as possible
plain vigil
the old god part maybe not but the rest it
plain vigil
we know there IS an entity, in the rift of aln, that was spreading the nightmare.
dense plover
no
plain vigil
no?
dense plover
the rift was created by malfurion to seal the power of one of the old gods
probably nzoth
this was explained in chronicles volume 1
plain vigil
right so then n'zoth would be that entity...
dense plover
fandral staghelm went around planting world trees
they reached yogg sauron with their roots
and his blood created the nightmare
somehow nzoth took advantage of this to begin to forge what the emerald nightmare has become
plain vigil
blood.... interesting
dense plover
the red theme is very reminiscient of ghuun
which makes the possible connection of ghuun to nzoth an interesting concept
since we are fairly sure that ghuun was created by the titans when experimenting
they realized the horror and locked it up
but the rift of aln is still there
plain vigil
right
dense plover
weve cleansed most of the nightmare
but the seal will break one day and the nightmare can return
plain vigil
but not all sadly
plain vigil
i think the nightmare having such a small role in legion was not a coincidense, i think they were setting it up
plain vigil
right
plain vigil
we may not, but from the looks of it, it's coming to us...
dense plover
it was a distraction before all the legion stuff
give some diversity to the raid tiers
plain vigil
right
dense plover
it doesnt look like that at all
it looks like we have old god stuff coming
but its going to be in the ocean
with azshara
plain vigil
but a good game dev knows that you don't put something in a game for only a single level... thus the en was not created just for legion
meager warren
there will probably be references to the nightmare but not the nightmare itself.
The Nightmare is linked to the Void though so that's probably most of the "setup"
plain vigil
i'm thinking we will be doing stuff with the shadowlands in bfa...
just because of the wc2 cover
dense plover
i personally disagree
plain vigil
but that's highly speculative
dense plover
so far its been heavily hinted that we may be heading to nyalotha
we had two different bosses mention it in legion
plain vigil
actually, the quest text hints that nyalotha is coming to us...
plain vigil
it can rise back up from the sea...
dense plover
big old god kingdom
i do expect them to do some kind of naga island raised from the ocean area
plain vigil
which is what azshara is planning in a message to a high concil of zandalar
lemmi try to find it
dense plover
partially yes
meager warren
i hope we don't get this if a naga expac ever comes.
The only thing i like in this is the custom boats
plain vigil
now yes, "rise" can be meaning figuratively, but i'm thinking it's more literal, as n'zoth has been compared to cthulu, and cthulu appears when his city rises from the ocean...
@meager warren wasnt that just a speculated xpac for bfa?
meager warren
i dunno.
it was a shit theory tho
rich apex
There was a hundred of those floating around the Internet in the weeks before Blizzcon
plain vigil
some people are theorizing on a gnome cyborg race based on junkergnome island... they'd be australian, as to referance junkrat, and the once prison island australia.
meager warren
i wanna see a reference to the Junkers in Star Wars.
Or something similar to that
rich apex
But I wouldn't bet on it
steel venture
Cyborg gnomes probably really would not be a junker reference.
Junkers fit the goblin theme, not the gnome theme.
steel venture
honestly i'd think 'junkergnome' is more of a play on 'juggernaught'
say both aloud.
plain vigil
Junker gnome island was datamined as a map though, thats why they’re saying it @steel venture
dense plover
yeah its an island
islands are all sorts of random crap
people theorizing mechano-gnomes are being silly
we have no playable titanforged
we wont be getting any
plain vigil
We can have a little fun though 😒
I’m actually predicting that we’ll be getting 4 new allied races at 8.0 rather than just the 2
meager warren
on the topic of fun, MOGU ALLIED RACE CONFIRMED
plain vigil
Lol
rich apex
orly
meager warren
yarly
rich apex
:|a
hollow dock
that seems a bit rediculous Gand
and a bit of a content overload
as well as counter productive
plain vigil
Mag’har orcs are more finished than dark irons, (most likely becaue they are working on redesigning all ram models, and the dark irons may get a fiery ram
hollow dock
because when you hit 110 you're going to get the chance to go adn ya know
recruit the DID and Zandalari
dense plover
no you wont
hollow dock
those are confirmed for the end of the leveling qxperience
dense plover
DI and Zandalari
they wont be available on launch
they will probably come with later patches
terse patrol
i want my DID
plain vigil
They will technically, they’ve been confirmed for launch, but you have to complete the zones first
dense plover
no
hollow dock
I remmeber blizz saying that Zandalari and DID will be at the end of the leveling stuff.
dense plover
theyve specifically been confirmed as not coming at launch
this was announced in the QA
plain vigil
Which is why it would make more sense to have kultirans release with zandalari, as they serve the same toll...
Link?
dense plover
Will we have access to Dark Iron Dwarves and Zandalari trolls before or after Battle for Azeroth has released?
After BFA has released and you are working towards 120, you'll be able to work towards future Allied Race unlock requirements.
future unlock requirements
rich apex
That's wonderfully vague
dense plover
its going to work like pathfinder