I did go into (non-LFR) raids in MoP but didn't really know what I was doing tbh
#beta-ptr-spoilers
hollow dock
That moment when you realize how wrong you were for playing. Mine was in WOTLK.
heavy cairn
I honestly barely played the game before MoP, and in MoP and WoD I didn't do much better. I just quested to max level and unsubbed till next expansion, silly me for effectively treating it like a singleplayer game.
in MoP I realized that "patches" happened, so I played a bit more then and in WoD (though I was unamused with 6.1 adding a jukebox and pretty much nothing else I cared about. legendary ring quest? who cares about a ring, I thought. at least the cloak was cool).
then my actual "realization" moment was legion pre-patch when working on my new DH (because I knew tanks were important and I didn't want to screw up)
hollow dock
Thats for SWTOR
terse patrol
i like swtor, but not enough to pay the sub
heavy cairn
I think I tried SWTOR for a few days
clearly not enough to experience the endgame, but that was back when I also didn't think too much about that
I simply didn't have any friends who played there, unlike in WoW
hollow dock
oh theres hardly any endgame to it.
I paied my 15 bucks for a month, never did after and kept playing during WoW Droughts.
heavy cairn
since I took an unfounded break (I can't be a tank, my life is over) in 7.2, how was that before ToS opened?
was it a "drought"?
from all indications I would think it was (story entirely composed of filler quests and reputation grind, legion assaults just for catch-up), but I'm relatively new to classifying this sort of thing
terse patrol
Try Warlords, that’s a true drought.
heavy cairn
I knew warlords was a bigger drought, but that's cuz it's a filler expansion. I just want to know if 7.2 was a "filler patch" in the eyes of others since I didn't play then
the challenges certainly were cool, but you would only experience 3 of them per character (unless a DH or druid) and just for a weapon appearance, most of which were datamined in 7.0 IIRC (my point being that it's less content than it appears). and honestly, with the gear most people had access to pre-ToS, I don't know if I could have classified them as "fun"
I assume ToS was cool, but there was a gap before ToS
maybe the fact that nighthold was still current provided some "relief"?
dense plover
7.2 had plenty of content
It had broken shore
It just was dripped too slowly
And it had a new dungeon
Which helped
Plus we got the chrome scenario
Chromie
heavy cairn
ah, so the chromie scenario was a 7.2 thing. well that certainly helps sway my opinion
hollow dock
Essentially a WoW drought is when thete is an extended period of time (6+ months) of no new patches and minimal content.
heavy cairn
ah, so legion hasn't really had that yet
dense plover
7.2.5
hollow dock
End of Pandaria, end of WotLK, all of WoD, end of cata, etc. These are all content droughts.
dense plover
There has not been a serious drought
And i dont think we will have one this expac
Because the patch is supposed to end by the 21st of september
The shortest patch between final raid wing and the new expac
hollow dock
Bfas launch is supposed to be 21st.
dense plover
And we will get the prepatch before that for sure
heavy cairn
interesting. so the prepatch and probably some other storylines related to silithus will "bridge the gap"
hollow dock
Indeex.
heavy cairn
at the moment I am pretty satisfied with the content available, but once my guild gets 11/11 H I don't know how I'll feel. I certainly didn't care back in the days of EN and ToV because we didn't get 7/7 H or 3/3 H until right before the AOTC period ended for them, so there was theoretically always fresh content
heavy cairn
my guild doesn't consistently have 20 people to do that
hollow dock
Neither does mine. Thats why we have a sister guild.
dense plover
Or run mythic +
Also level allied races
And wait for prepatch
Work on unlocking the appearances that will go away
The +15 appearance and the heroic kiljaeden appearance
heavy cairn
I've unlocked all the apperances that will go away on my main
heroic kiljaeden isn't going away, is it?
dense plover
Yes it is
heavy cairn
crap.
dense plover
P[retty sure
sage tapir
no
dense plover
Check the pin
heavy cairn
I thought the heroic kiljaeden would stay, just the challenge base appearance going
heavy cairn
well, I want the heroic KJ ones anyway
heavy cairn
alright cool. my DH has +15 (my guild actually ran m+ for once... otherwise I would have had no hope with my M+ score lol) and both challenges, my mage doesn't have +15 but has all 3 challenges done
the looks for other classes that I have considered honestly aren't too compelling IIRC
dense plover
No kidding
The mage tower appearance for brewmaster looks like a ball of neon
I dont want that
U just tend balance of power
And i need the pvp one
Because its a dragon staff
heavy cairn
alright. so I was wrong to say that the other classes I considered didn't have compelling looks. all 3 warlock spec challenge appearances look neat
and how could I forget the tank warrior thing, the bearman, glowcat, and the cool looking arms weapon
dense plover
Yeah the warlock appearances are all pretty great
heavy cairn
hunter ones don't look as good as balance of power ones IMO
DK ones look really cool
alright so clearly I want to get the appearances for about half of my classes
so 1/3 of the way there, having already gotten DH and mage
druid I am kind of mixed about. I liked playing bear, the other specs look legit, but I don't like being forced to have warts or be a furry (I am a horde player)
might be worth getting in case they add more race options or if pigs fly and I switch to alliance
blissful lotus
I mean if you're gonna go druid is playing the furry race really that big a deal
heavy cairn
if I would play resto or balance, yes
none of my other classes are forced to be huge&furry or have warts
also it's not just the fur
I can't stand how tauren and trolls treat boots
leaden garden
I mean it makes sense for Tauren/Draenei
Not 100% sure why trolls can't wear shoes though
hollow dock
Toes are to irregular and itd be a pain in the ass to make
heavy cairn
it makes sense, but I wish it wasn't forced
hollow dock
Plus theyre tree hoppers
Tree hoppers with perfect tree hopping feet. You dont ruin that with shoes.
leaden garden
Jungle trolls sure
Forrest trolls sure
But frost trolls, desert trolls, zandalari... They live in places where shoes would outweigh the inconvenience of having weird feet lol
heavy cairn
mountain climbing definitely better with shoes lol
leaden garden
What are the Darkspear, technically? Are they considered Jungle Trolls?
hollow dock
Jungle trolls yes
heavy cairn
yea, they were originally part of gurubashi IIRC
leaden garden
I guess it fits then.
I would think, though, that warriors, at least, would have plate-covered-boots
hollow dock
They were apart of the gurubashi empire but had seperated out of fear of being killed off iirc
leaden garden
Not gonna be jumping around trees all that much in full plate, so not having barefeet that an enemy can stab/stomp on would be beneficial
heavy cairn
limitations of game design
leaden garden
True
hollow dock
^
heavy cairn
I would argue though that playable trolls really don't hop around in trees
leaden garden
That's actually why I really like the t21 paladin mock-mog boots for Trolls
hollow dock
They ysed to.
heavy cairn
for casters they can't really cast when moving, and for melees they get out of range
leaden garden
makes it kinda look like armored sandals
hollow dock
Game mechanics dont equate to lore tho.
heavy cairn
true, but you could argue the same thing if playable trolls did have the option to wear shoes
gaunt otter
the quest transmog kul tiras is alliance only?
rich apex
Probably not
steel venture
there's always look-alike pieces in an expansion.
gaunt otter
i hope so, i liked the leather set, looks nice on my panda
hollow dock
It'll probably get a recolor in the dungeons
rich apex
Faction only pieces have generally been pretty rare
steel venture
endgame legion quests gave look-alikes to the dungeon gear
rich apex
And the dungeons aren't restricted
steel venture
so i'd assume endgame BFA quests will give look-alikes to the opposite island's gear
given that endgame BFA quests will be based aorund "invading" the other island
leaden garden
Or unlocking it on one side will just unlock the mog account wide
rich apex
Probably
leaden garden
So if you plan to see the story from both sides, you can get both sets
Which I still haven't decided if I'm doing that or not lol
gaunt otter
i wont play ally just for transmog :/
rich apex
Welp, when most if the quest content is faction specific this time around
Only getting 50% of it if you don't
gaunt otter
too bad for me then, i don't have ally
leaden garden
My paladin is ally, cause I hate the Horde options for Paladin, so I'll probably do the campaign on him
Unless of course during the Horde campaign we connect the Prelates of Rezan to the Sunwalkers/Blood Knights, thus helping them reconnect to the light and we DO in fact get Zanda Paladins in which case I'll be rushing through the campaign to unlock them and then faction xfer lol
zinc sandal
I don't play melee but I hope Zandalari get paladins
I mean, the people want it, and it's not like they don't exist
hollow dock
People want a lot of things that exust
Dont mean they get em.
People want a lot of things that exust
Dont mean they get em.
Dont mean they get em.
languid yoke
yeah but from what it looks like, they lose their connection and right to be paladin
so no zandalari paladin
rich apex
Thank goodness we've seen the entirety of the Zandalar questline
Leading to the playable Zandalari on alpha
So we know for sure what the class options are
dense plover
Playable zandalari won’t be on alpha
They aren’t even coming with the main release of BfA
They are coming at a later date
rich apex
Are they?
dense plover
Yes
rich apex
Said where?
dense plover
During the QA
leaden garden
They lost their connection to Rezan, which caused them to lose faith and conviction which severed their ties to the light
It IS technnically possible for them to collude with the Sunwalkers and Blood Knights who could show them how to wield the light by other means
Or Rezan could be resurrected, or a new Loa could bestow Light powers on them
dense plover
They could always have a storyline where we fix Rezan or help them return to the light
rich apex
Anything's possible
leaden garden
Even blizzard isn't dumb enough to confirm lore that people have been murdering eachother over just to say "but you don't get to play one middlefinger"
rich apex
Because we've literally only seen the first act of the story
leaden garden
Exactly
hollow dock
Heres my issue with it all
leaden garden
Which would tie into why we have to get exalted/finish the campaign before unlocked Zandalari as a race
rich apex
(I still don't get how paladins are apparently -the- iconic Zandalari class, but still)
hollow dock
Youd have to indicate it to happen through the paladin flag.
On zandalari before hand
rich apex
Zandalari which are not playable in alpha yet
hollow dock
Cuz they aint adding classes halfway through an expac
olive mirage
they arnt iconic, its just they do exist and people want them
rich apex
Much less if they aren't coming until 8.1
I want night elf paladins
Doesn't mean I'm BETRAYED because they're technically in game and Blizz is mocking me
leaden garden
@rich apex Zandalari had paladins long before the Silver Hand ever existed, that's why people call them an iconic class.
hollow dock
I want playable dragons. Dont mean we're gettin em.
rich apex
Regardless
leaden garden
There's 1 Nelf Paladin
hollow dock
- One of em is dead
dense plover
Zandalari druids, aka Dinomancers
dense plover
That’s the most iconic class for them
zinc sandal
@dense plover Actually, no.
The most iconic class for them is priest. They're the "priest caste" among trolls.
rich apex
Yeah, I would go with priest or druid
hollow dock
Transforming into dinosaurs and controlling them. Thats not iconic to the zandalari in the least.
zinc sandal
Priest, followed by Druid.
rich apex
Thankfully they're getting dino forms for all shapeshifts
zinc sandal
They're glorious
hollow dock
That rustles my jimmies to no end that they backed out of their no dino morphs
rich apex
Night elf: we have inherited the greatest druidic traditions from Cenarius himself
Zandalari: hysterical laughter
dense plover
If they go back and add unique Druid forms to everything, ill be satisfied
leaden garden
Nerus Moonfang is not a Paladin. His NIECE, Delas, becomes one. Nerus is not one, he's a spectre/ghost/spirit who joined the Silver Hand to give penance for his actions
dense plover
If they don’t, ill be disappointed, but I’m still going to make a zandalari druid
rich apex
Other races already have unique druid forms
hollow dock
Even has a crummy alliance grand marshal sword.
rich apex
Except Highmountain I guess
leaden garden
What was it you said, gameplay isn't lore? 😛 Lorewise Delas is the only Paladin
hollow dock
Worgen just have darker skin.
Id argue the same on zandalari paladins from ToT yet herr we are
rich apex
I thought it was still fairly different from nelf forms
rich apex
googles
leaden garden
Prelate lore, ToT lore, and Freethinker lore
And now we have BfA lore backing up all of it
So, in this instance, lore and gameplay cooperate
hollow dock
Hes labeled a paladin, he uses paladin abilities, hes a paladin m8
rich apex
Abilities in a raid aren't exactly lore
leaden garden
The lore disagrees with you lol
rich apex
Oh, that one
leaden garden
He's talking about the Prelates in ToT
rich apex
Yeah
Like it's argueable, full stop
(Every race that can get priests should get paladins, imo)
(Well, maybe not Forsaken)
leaden garden
Forsaken or Velf, otherwise yeah I agree lol
leaden garden
Yeah except lorewise they maim themselves every time they use the light
rich apex
A super masochist Forsaken would be great >_>
hollow dock
So do priests. Your point?
leaden garden
Technically the only Priests that are part of the forsaken are Shadow Priests
Much like all the troll "priests" are witchdoctors
rich apex
Eh, they specifically said at least some use the Light, even if it's super unpleasant
leaden garden
It all goes back to the point that the game class you play is an archetype, not necessarily the class itself
hollow dock
Not true. Again, the Scarlet Undead as well as the Argent Crusade.
rich apex
They only give so much credit to race specific things like that anymore
And if we're gonna talk about archetypes
Paladin archetype is a shining knight
leaden garden
Argent Crusade =/= Forsaken, separate faction
rich apex
(Aside from Tauren, of course)
(Question is if they're still willing to say one can be a tribal paladin like that)
leaden garden
Also, archetype as in "Paladin" includes Paladins, Blood Knights, Vindicators, and Sun-druids
rich apex
The rest of the paladins are functionally similar enough
leaden garden
They all function differently and technically only Humans and DWarves are Paladins, but they all fall under the Paladin Archetype
rich apex
Sunwalkers are just the odd ones out because they decided to give pallies to another Horde race
They're all using the same Light tho
Except Sunwalkers
(Maybe)
leaden garden
Ehhhh similar but not the same. Vindicators =/= Paladins
rich apex
90% similiar
leaden garden
Blood Knights are closer to Paladins than Vindicators
Vindicators get their light through the Naaru as opposed to purely through faith and conviction like Humans and Dwarves do
Which enables them to use the light significantly more aggressively
hollow dock
Them being in the crusade doesnt stop them from being undead. Them being forsaken doesnt stop them from using light.
rich apex
They still believe in the Light
But man I would actually maybe play a Forsaken paladin
That'd be cool
leaden garden
Still doesn't make sense for them to be Paladins since every time they use the light they seriously wound themselves in doing so
Blizz can't lock priests off of them though because Shadow
hollow dock
Like. Non vindicators can still be aggressive in light usage tho. Look at the Scarlet Crusade.
rich apex
Blizz said the Light still heals them
It's just painful on a physical and existential level
Because they can feel they're a walking corpse
hollow dock
^
rich apex
So an undead holy priest is just masochistic af
And I am 100% for a paladin who is -super guilty- at his cursed existence and thus is super okay with being on constnat pain
If he can still bring the Light to evil
hollow dock
Any light using undead is either that or overly zealous
graceful hound
if a paladin is about convictions, then a undead paladin absolutely works
rich apex
A paladin is 100% about conviction
graceful hound
the question is how bad will the judgment set look with the bones poking out 🤔
rich apex
That's really the archetype beyond shining knights
leaden garden
Faith and conviction, yes
hollow dock
Pretty shit like all undead armor sets
leaden garden
^
sharp bluff
Did I miss the Forsaken talk?
hollow dock
Ye
sharp bluff
Darn ah well
hollow dock
It was just the topic of priest users getting paladins
sharp bluff
Oh, as cool as that would be I have given up on forsaken shadow paladins anymore, so I guess I am ok missing that one
hollow dock
I mean
Forsaken using light to be normal paladins is perfectly plausible
Like they're ashamed of their forms so they see the pain as penance.
hollow dock
Its like the perfect angle. Though none would work with or for Sylvanas.
rich apex
It would probably require Blizz to actually consider the internal dynamics of the Forsaken society like that, yes
Alas, pretty sure at Blizzcon they said they weren't really considering new combos
Admittedly, there aren't that many obvious ones beyond giving out more paladins
leaden garden
Considering they, as a whole, believe the light has forsaken them, which largely severs their connection
rich apex
Eh, it's not like there's supposed be that many paladins in the first place
They're supposed to be elite and requiring a great faith
hollow dock
Not....entirely? The Forsaken, to my knowledge, call themselves as such because of their undeath
steel venture
Sir Zelek's a good support for an undead pally. And hell, he was Scourge.
rich apex
Didn't they say in hindsight the reasoning for that was fairly wonky?
rich apex
Like the Lich King was controlling his body but he was still aware enough to warn the players
But could also still use the Light
Despite the Lich King controlling them
sharp bluff
Well since Paladins in wow are faith based it makes sense ether way, as long as your faith is strong enough, and would have worked perfect in Legion, BUT i can't see it working to much while a faction war was raging
rich apex
But yeah, giving that pretty clear confirmation that Forsaken priests can and (if rarely) do use the Light
sharp bluff
and considering Blizzard's track record for horde leaders dying suddenly....
I think the forsaken may lose some more faith soon
leaden garden
Zep: depends on which Paladin you're talking about. Blood Knights gain power directly from the Sunwell and don't require faith as an aspect of their power. Vindicators get power directly from the Naaru, Sunwalkers from An'she which doesn't necessarily require "faith"
rich apex
I'm still not betting on any major deaths after the first act drama
leaden garden
Sunwalkers, as far as I know, won't lose their power just because their faith weakens or wanes, neither will Vindicators or Blood Knights
Human and Dwarf Paladins, however, can have their powers weakened or completely stripped if their faith and/or conviction wanes
rich apex
Pretty sure they all still gotta believe
That's the entire thing that separates holy magic from other magic
hollow dock
Scarlet Crusade as well Xan
leaden garden
It still functions differently though.
hollow dock
Thwyre almost entirely undead now and still use the light heavily.
leaden garden
Scarlet Crusade is an example of them able to wield light, despite being batshit crazy and genocidal, because they have conviction that their cause is just and faith in the light
sharp bluff
But if the sunwell gets destroyed again then they are screwed lol
leaden garden
Yep
hollow dock
Still undead.
leaden garden
And faith won't do shit for them
And, once again, they severely wound, nearly kill, themselves in wielding it
Forsaken masochism aside, they're still not suicidal
sharp bluff
But ya, I can see the Forsaken becoming paladins since human paladins are faith based, and forsaken being ex humans means that they potentially could work, but at this point I almost think we are more likely to get Murlocs as a race then Forsaken Pallys
Just like Tauren Rogues lol
willow frost
steel venture
... except they dont.
sec.
uncut vault
I mean, rangari
steel venture
A horse walking barefoot is shocklingly quiet.
Cows and goats have pads that are on the inside of their hooves and actually can be much quieter.
uncut vault
Grimtotem
leaden garden
^
steel venture
leaden garden
I mean the rogue stuff kinda goes against the Thundertotem Tauren culture and philosophy but they have some Grimtotem among them now soooooooo
steel venture
thats like barely louder than some regular person walking
and that's a freaking horse.
uncut vault
Plus, yknow, its magic
leaden garden
And since Tauren are based more on Bulls anyways, who have padded hooves
steel venture
Imagine a tauren or draenei, that have cloven hooves. Cloven hooves are padded---YEP.
sharp bluff
You know those cherry trees that laugh when you pass by?
uncut vault
sharp bluff
those are Tauren rogues laughing at you
uncut vault
Basically the rule of fantasy
uncut vault
Dagg is the best rogue. Six months later, nobody's noticed him in legionfall
sharp bluff
wait what? he is in legionfall?????
rich apex
Eheheh
plain vigil
meager warren
I wonder if they're gonna make a hybrid of Paladin and Death Knights.
Blood Paladins, when Bliz?
leaden garden
I'm actually wondering what, if any, classes they could still implement
We got a monk, which people have asked for for a long time. DH's were this xpac, and while I don't know if they were requested they were implemented pretty well I thought
meager warren
they were in TBC.
They just became playable this expac
rich apex
Void Knights
uncut vault
Tinkers are still a popular request
leaden garden
A Void Knight would be interesting. A shadowy version of apaladin
Tinkerer / Necromancer as pet-based classes
uncut vault
Mixing the wc3 tinker and alchemist into a class would be great
Alchemy heal spec, turret/summons dps spec, mech tank spec
meager warren
Combo of Death Knights/ Paladins could be...
*Void Knights
*Blood Paladins
*Prelates
hollow dock
No one wpuld drink their healing pots tho
uncut vault
Implying they have a choice
meager warren
^
uncut vault
Projectile potions
hollow dock
Blood paladins are not anything close to resembling Dks
And they side step and pop their lockstone instead
meager warren
wdym
hollow dock
Combo of Death Knights/ Paladins could be... *Void Knights *Blood Paladins *Prelates
meager warren
?
hollow dock
What you typed not a minute ago arson
meager warren
and?
hollow dock
Blood knights and prelates are nothing even close to what a deathknight is.
meager warren
:khadgarface:
so they say
uncut vault
I mostly just want tinker next in 9.0 because it would probably be a gnome/goblin class
rich apex
^
sharp bluff
Necromancer for WotLK 2
rich apex
The dream is gnome/goblin only tinkers
(it'll never happen)
I feel like necromancer is fairly likely for the Bolvar expansion
meager warren
Paladin Undead for WotLK2
rich apex
But I haven no idea how they'd design it without cannibalizing unholy DKs and demo locks
Which is, of course, why I don't work for Blizz 😛
uncut vault
I mean, unholy losing half of their undead army in BfA
leaden garden
You make it a pet based/buff class
uncut vault
No apocalypse
sharp bluff
Well unholy is losing their 90 second cd summon so....
leaden garden
There was a class in City of Heroes/Villains called "Mastermind"
rich apex
But necromancer is admittedly one of the last archetype classes from WC3 that can possibly stand on its own as a class
leaden garden
You got 3 tiers of minions: basic, advanced, ultimate. 3 basic, 2 advanced, 1 ultimate pet. You get a few attacks to help as well as buffs and heals if you spec into them
rich apex
And doesn't need some mechasuit design like tinkers
strange falcon
guys what are these rumors i heard,of vulpera having faction specific colors?
is there any basis to it
hollow dock
Nothing but rumors
leaden garden
Could work in WoW too, it'd be like making a whole class out of expanding and steroid-ing Beast Mastery
sharp bluff
Well there is Festergut... but he is just kinda there, I guess Valk/gargoyle also... then our 10min CD spell that I only get to use maybe twice a dungeon lol
rich apex
There'll be a wowhead post within a week, I'm sure
hollow dock
^
meager warren
ew beast mastery
rich apex
But like they already established demo locks as 'dark magic class with waves of temporary minions'
And unholy DKs as 'plagues and undead pet'
And we have enough edgy classes anyways
uncut vault
Blizz just needs to give em some undead cosmetic glyphs
Turn all their demons into skeletons
sharp bluff
Idk i feel my unholy deals more with plagues then minions without Apocalypse
leaden garden
That's how I always saw Unholy too, Zep
rich apex
They're not gonna change the most iconic aspect of a warlock via a glyph
leaden garden
plagues and diseases
Blood = War, Unholy = Pestilence, Frost = Death
That's what I always viewed it as
sharp bluff
Ya the minion is just kinda there anymore, I mostly just plague and run on mobs anymore
uncut vault
Well tbf, plague is kinda always undead related in WoW
sharp bluff
Plague+Death and Decay
leaden garden
Mmhm
sharp bluff
I would settle for a tinkerer/alchmest class though
leaden garden
I played a DK back in Wrath and I have one at 110 just cause I wanted to see the Frost artifact story
Outside of that, meh, stick to my paladin and my warrior-paladin-wannabe
uncut vault
All I'm saying is, if they can do this much work for weapons and forms for every spec, the art team should probably have time for diverse mechs
strange falcon
but ret paladins are wheelchair wannabes
hollow dock
Back in wrath you had more minion summoning with raise undead giving your friends a 5 minute ghoul before it became a brez
sharp bluff
I enjoy my Unholy to much since my warrior is an orc (Blackrock armor, I kinda had to)
leaden garden
More boring than shiny arms warrior?
hollow dock
More boring than MM hunters that just auto attacked and stacked armor pen
leaden garden
Disagree, but okay
leaden garden
Ret was the tits in Wrath. My favorite expansion
uncut vault
On the topic of mm, im both happy and sad for the BfA changes
hollow dock
Judgment, crusade, divine and occasionally you hit Consecration
Ban top of the charts
leaden garden
Divine?
hollow dock
Divine storm
leaden garden
Ah
uncut vault
The changes look great and move away from the vulnerability rng, but RIP consistent aoe, and RIP arcane shot
rich apex
Eh, MM does need a tuneup
leaden garden
Was thinking DI
Mine was Judge - CS - Cons - DS - Exorcism
And then keeping Consecrate up
DS only when CS and Judge were on CD
uncut vault
They also already gutted a talent on the alpha that made the spec flow properly
leaden garden
Exorcism wehn Art of War procced
hollow dock
Yea. Pretty boring tbh.
leaden garden
For you, maybe
hollow dock
No thought process=boring for me
rich apex
It's almost like alpha is a work in progress
leaden garden
That's why you like arcane mage? LOL
uncut vault
Ya but progress in the wrong direction isn't a good thing
leaden garden
What talent, Porter?
uncut vault
The one that made quick shot have 1-2 free charges
hollow dock
You clearly dont play arcane then
uncut vault
Gave time to generate focus for your aimed shots
Now it doesn't reduce the cost, but reduces its gcd, meaning it's worse to use quick shot
leaden garden
Oh you're talking Hunter
Arcane Mage has had 3 buttons for like 10 years, and you wanna talk about no thought process? At least with Ret I have to try and maximize my Judgment window and not use HP when it's off the target, which requires me to pay attention to boss debuffs and my own rotation/cooldown.
hollow dock
3 damaging buttons yea. But those 3 damaging buttons is far from the entire rotation of Arcane.
leaden garden
I'm glad you enjoy Arcane Mage, dude, but don't sit there and say "Arcane's 3 buttons are way more intellectual and thought-provoking than you boring groundpounders"
hollow dock
I'm not
you're the one pushing that narrative onto me
The most I've ever said is 'I enjoy arcane mage because it gives me more thought process than any melee I've played'.
leaden garden
"No thought process=boring for me" in reference to melee/Paladin
"Melee = no thought process = boring. Arcane's 3 buttons are for me!"
eyeroll
hollow dock
In reference to your comment of 'For you, maybe'
leaden garden
Yes, you literally made the argument that melee doesn't have a thought process
hollow dock
Again, I will iterate that arcane is a lot more than just 3 buttons. Especially now-a-days to maximise.
uncut vault
Why can't we link direct pics here I have the perfect pic
leaden garden
Idk, Porter. I noticed that too
uncut vault
hollow dock
kek
leaden garden
😂
uncut vault
I mean direct link from devices, the plus in the corner is gone only in this channel
hollow dock
oh yea. For some reason mobile doesn't remove that button but the desktop and I think web clients do
leaden garden
Idk, I can't Ctrl+V images into chat anymore either
hollow dock
Anyways lemme take the hit and be the big boi and come halfway benj: In terms of pure rotation, yes arcane mage is more boring. However, as I iterated before, Arcane mage gives me a lot more decisions to make during a raid fight than just the buttons I hit which melee simply hasn't.
leaden garden
You just have to throw in the backhand with that don't ya?
meager warren
Death Knights are boring, what
hollow dock
Playing melee is boring for me.
meager warren
ur boring
leaden garden
Lol
hollow dock
ur borin
meager warren
no u
hollow dock
but u gei
meager warren
i hope that's not what it looks like
hollow dock
oh what, now is when you take offense to memes
leaden garden
lol
meager warren
i don't take offense to anything. Period.
Would you like me to define my name for you?
hollow dock
I thought vol 3 would go to at least legion. Since that'd be the most up to date and its the last of this three parter.
rich apex
Oh yeah that's out this month
uncut vault
Eh, Im fine with this, gives us more detail with each xpac
chronicles 4 will probably have a longer wait anyways
rich apex
Also, Azshara confirmed to be behind both Zandalar and Kul'tiras main villains
Faction war over by 8.1
🤔
uncut vault
I dont expect it to be.
leaden garden
I mean, I feel like that was already a moderate given that she/N'zoth were behind everything
uncut vault
Would be a cooler twist if the faction war continued
"yeah theyre fuckers but also you're fuckers"
rich apex
N'zoth eats the world if we don't get our shit together
leaden garden
Not smart though. Actually, revisiting the faction war isn't a smart thing in general but w/e
rich apex
Well that was a given but too late now
leaden garden
"We've had back to back doomsday events for the past decade! Instead of prepping for the next inevitable one, lets go back to murdering one another!"
rich apex
Makes for good first act drama, admittedly
I am all for Teldrassil/Undercity going up in flames
leaden garden
Definitely an interesting direction
rich apex
But they can't have an actual winner and loser, so
And (hopefully) they can't have Sylvanas go Full Garrosh already
Because god forbid the Horde be the honorable people they're supposed to be
leaden garden
I mean she's basically already Girl-Garrosh
they were when Vol'jin led
But blizz said "Wait, we can't have a troll be a major NPC! Kill'im off like a bitch"
Let's make the Edge-Queen the Warchief, that's a great idea
rich apex
Admittedly, there wasn't that many obvious choices left
Until Saurfang and Baine got new models and lines in a cinematic, anyways
rich apex
Gotta have PVP
leaden garden
Willing to be diplomatic but also not afraid to cut you down in the middle of the night if need be. He was awesome
I miss Vol'jin V_V.... and Zul'jin
sharp bluff
Voljin for Loa 2018
leaden garden
Pretty sure he's becoming one, I know we deal with him in Nazir
Apparnetly he'll have some char-dev with green jesus
Who I also can't stand anymore -.-
sharp bluff
You mean regular orc with no powers?
leaden garden
Thrall, yeah
sharp bluff
Forsaken by the elements
leaden garden
Yeah cause the mofo cheated lol
sharp bluff
Gave away his hammer
heavy cairn
well his hammer was taken, and then when the farseer picked it up after doing some recycled cata quests, he realized the farseer knew how to use it better than him so he let the farseer keep it
leaden garden
Thrall was supposed to be the honorable one. Cheated and kicked around himself, he was supposed to be the one who valued honor above all else. And then GARROSH turned out to be the one who showed up honoring the rules of Mok'gorah
Thrall shows up in his armor, wielding doomhammer, and kills Garrosh with magic. There's only 2 rules and he broke them both! Lol
sharp bluff
At least Sylvannis keeps her word... I kid I kid
leaden garden
lol
heavy cairn
garrosh used a weapon too, did he not? using magic was certainly crossing the line though since garrosh did not have this opportunity
leaden garden
OSX
Garrosh came to the duel with no armor or weapon
The rules of Mok'gorah allow you to choose ONE weapon if you want to
In which case you may choose a weapon OR shaman magic
heavy cairn
ah, I see
leaden garden
And even then, iirc, you get one element
You can't use your entire array of shamanistic powers
heavy cairn
yea thrall went too far...
leaden garden
But Thrall showed up wearing armor, with Doomhammer, and then used stone, fire and lightning to kill Garrosh
Because Thrall didn't want to lose
because Garrosh was channeling years of anger at being abandoned, again, and left with the responsibility of Warchief that he DID NOT WANT
heavy cairn
elements abandoned him because water felt left out /s
leaden garden
He was a soldier, a grunt, he was good at it and wanted to stay at it. But then put in power, he did what a soldier does
He went off to war and unfortunately got WAY carried away
They could've done a lot better withhis development tbh
heavy cairn
true but a game isn't the perfect platform for storytelling
leaden garden
Quite frankly, during the cutscene with their duel, I was rooting for Garrosh
heavy cairn
I was also rooting for garrosh simply because he was actually beating up thrall before thrall cheated
leaden garden
He was a dick, and a war criminal certainly, but he seemed to be 100% justified in his rage
sharp bluff
A real shame since playing through some of the old zones he seemed cool
Level scaling actually allowed me to finish that arc
leaden garden
He had his moments
He seemed to bounce back and forth between whiny bitch and epic warrior
It's like the writers couldn't make up their minds if they wanted him to be the exact opposite of Grom because of his shame for his namesake, or if they wanted him to live up to the badassery that was Grom Hellscream
hollow dock
Finally. People who understand that Thrall is an honorless cheater.
strange falcon
he's still Green Jesus tho
jade basalt
hollow dock
Alex in chains while everyone fights deathwing!
sharp bluff
I’ll be honest I’ll take Thrall over about half the alliance, but I liked him better before he went all green Jesus
Still wanting some gnome stuff, poor buggers get nothing
Well it is true lol, they have the least plot relevance of any race, even less then the pandas
And maybe trolls post-Vuljinn I guess
Lol I saw that panda
hollow dock
he was a swell warchief and admirable adversary. Shame he tossed that out the window to prove he was a better man than garrosh.
jade basalt
Here's some more pics
It looks like different people get access to different pages
rich apex
text refers to pre-Arthas Lich King as 'the Lich King' and 'the entity' and not Ner'zhul
🤔
Bolvar 9.0 confirmed
dense plover
He has always been the lich king
He was the lich king before Arthas
Nerzhuls spirit is the one in the armor
sharp bluff
DK class missions = best class missions right Vris?
dense plover
But that doesn’t change him being the lich king
rich apex
Well, older stuff sure implied it was just Ner'zhul's spirit
And the old Arthas novel said that Arthas killed Ner'zhul's spirit
hollow dock
You misunderstand Peach, I have been a strong proponent that Lich King, Ner'zhul and Arthas are all seperate Entities.
sharp bluff
Well Arthur is in Frostmourne
sharp bluff
Not in the armor
dense plover
No
Nerzhul is the lich king
Until Arthas is the lich king
But that’s still sort of nerzhul
sharp bluff
Arthus’ stupid auto carrot
dense plover
It’s like two spirits in one body and a suit of armor
heavy cairn
I would argue that the armor enchanted with ner'zhul's soul likely had magic of its own. you'd expect a prison of sorts made by the burning legion to have some sort of restrictions
sharp bluff
Then Arthus gets pulled into frostmourne when it breaks, DK artifact quest
We find him in the shards
heavy cairn
surely the personality of "the lich king" was ner'zhul, but I don't think it is wholly ner'zhul
dense plover
well Arthas already had given his soul to frostmourne
hollow dock
and Arthas tells us that we're still bound to him. Him being the Lich King.
heavy cairn
yes, arthas was already in the blade
hollow dock
Not Bolvar or Ner'zhul, but the Lich King itself. We're bound to that curse the Legion created.
dense plover
But nerzhul is the lich king
He is the spirit of the armor
There isn’t another entity beyond him
steel venture
but he's not the helm.
dense plover
Yes he is
dense plover
The helm of domination was part of the armor
uncut vault
it's always been doubted whether or not arthas' vision of killing nerzhul was correct
uncut vault
because he also killed the boy
dense plover
Well yeah
rich apex
This is, after all, the whole point of the Chronicles 😛
uncut vault
yet the boy was around in Wrath
dense plover
Nerzhul technically died
steel venture
Legion kind of literally did say that Ner'zhul's fragments and Arthas's fragments now lived in the blade
dense plover
His body was destroyed
If I take your soul and put you in armor and call you the lich king, you are yourself, you are the lich king
hollow dock
the thing is peach, until now, it's always been the Lich King and Ner'zhul were interchangable
now that's no longer the case.
dense plover
Oh
I actually never noticed that
Guess they are confirming they are one and the same then
Or there is some kind of transition?
rich apex
Yeah, far as I remembered, it used to be more that Ner'zhul might have been changed, obviously, but he was still Ner'zhul, bound to the armor or not
hollow dock
Hence why the seperation of Ner'zhul from the Lich king entity is such a big happy day for me. I theorize that once you merge, scraps of you are left behind.
rich apex
But it's just interesting that the text isn't saying Ner'zhul, and calling it an enity
hollow dock
Think of it like going through a shredder. The paper is apart of the garbage but pits are still there and can be identified.
dense plover
And part of nerzhuls soul somehow
Even though I’m pretty sure the blade wasn’t legion@made
No clue how nerzhuls soul got into the blades
hollow dock
It was. The whole scourge was legion made.
rich apex
"The Lich King would never forget Kil'jaden had done to him"
uncut vault
still betting nerzhul is inside the helmet, but he was just frragmented with arthas' icicle vision
dense plover
I thought the sword was forged earlier
rich apex
Despite the fact that KJ did that to Ner'zhul
uncut vault
explaining why theres a fragment in frostmourne
hollow dock
Dread Lords had made Frostmourne and the Armor.
rich apex
🤔
heavy cairn
according to wowpedia the sword was made by nathrezim
it cites the "arthas" book
I will try to find the book on my shelf and find a more direct quote
uncut vault
it was, frostmourne and apocalypse are similar nathrezim made blades
hollow dock
All the cursed runeblades were made by the Legion to make DKs similar to arthas to empower the scourge
dense plover
I did not know that the sword was cursed in order to trap you into putting on the armor
hollow dock
thing is, mortals still have will power even with the sword.
uncut vault
hollow dock
This has damn near made my day
dense plover
When does volume 3 release?
uncut vault
27th
rich apex
Vrykul sleep was caused by the Dragon Aspects to stop them from taking over the world
Cool
rich apex
I think it was vaguely described in the quests
Something related to the Curse of Flesh and the tiny human babies
dense plover
I thought they were put to sleep by the titan keepers to wait for when they were needed
And that they awoke post curse of flesh
heavy cairn
some were put to sleep by keepers/dragons, some went to sleep on their own
rich apex
To Wowpediaaaa
(before it gets updated =P)
"In an effort to stave off the curse of flesh, the Dragonflayers went to sleep beneath northern Kalimdor in facilities such as Gjalerbron.[10] The Tribunal of Ages, a record of false history created by Loken,[11] erroneously claims that he ordered this hibernation. "
dense plover
Ah
dense plover
Doesn’t make it wrong
dense plover
Those that awoke post curse of flesh maybe went back to sleep
Or it’s talking about other vrykuls
rich apex
Given people have reacted with the greatest betrayal of the notion Chronicle stuff getting retconned
dense plover
There’s a lot of vrykul in northrend
rich apex
Oh, wait, yeah
I'm skimming the article >_>
Other bit says that Tyr asked the Aspects to stop different vrykul from pillaging
Which is different from Ymirion's vrykul dealing with the Curse
heavy cairn
page 61 chronicle 1, ysera and norzdormu put winterskorn to sleep
page 66, dragonflayers decide to sleep because the curse of flesh is causing malformed newborns
heavy cairn
I wish I could find my Arthas book lol
now I'm curious about the frostmourne and armor thing
wanted to check the citing from an article on wowpedia I found
hollow dock
the dread lords had made it at Kil'jaedens wishes I believe in an effort to create the Lich king and the undead scourge that would soon plague Azeroth. its why Mal'ganis leads him to the blade, to start corrupting him for the Legion.
heavy cairn
yes, that was what it said on wowpedia
was just curious how it was referenced in the book
heavy cairn
so where are you finding these images?
rich apex
heavy cairn
oh, ok amazon prime people get to see it?
uncut vault
@heavy cairn 'Tichondrius seemed not to notice. He pointed to Frostmourne. “The runeblade you carry was
forged by my kind, long ago. The Lich King has empowered it to steal souls. Yours was the first one it
claimed.”'
jade basalt
Alright, done
All the amazon prime pics from everybody in one album https://imgur.com/a/1JDsG
zinc sandal
Are they allowed to post them publicly?
uncut vault
I mean its viewable on amazon so
uncut vault
yes but its viewable by the public
zinc sandal
The paying public
dense plover
You can get a free prime trial
Amazon does not care if people copy the book previews
dense plover
^
hollow dock
there's no NDA saying prime memebrs have to stay hush hush.
dense plover
It’s the internet. If they cared they would have a watermark
hollow dock
that'd be like the alpha for BFA. It was put for the public to enjoy. If it weren't, there would be an NDA about its information.
dense plover
^
zinc sandal
shrug
slate ingot
Nothing like alliance getting shafted with boralus and overall zones compared to horde
frosty matrix
That's just like, your opinion, man
heavy cairn
saying this as a horde player, I find the alliance zones really nice looking.
from what I've seen, that is. can't really tell much without actually being part of the alpha 
tranquil steeple
Is it actually proven Boralus is gonna be fucked up through quests in there?
heavy cairn
nope
tranquil steeple
So no reason to feel bad over it being fucked up, since it's not certain it actually will be.
No problem, no worry.
uncut vault
WoWhead didnt include it in the recent post, but theres a line that hints Jaina may save boralus
heavy cairn
exactly, just like people shouldn't freak out over datamined horde story text
the only confirmation is its release into live wow
slate ingot
Except for the horde zones are far more complete have more of an exciting story
tranquil steeple
I don't see why Jaina WOULDN'T save a city/town from where she's originally from.
Even though she was exiled/imprisoned.
heavy cairn
I mean the scenario, which is certainly not complete, and is not open for testing
slate ingot
The alliance story seems half assed
frosty matrix
That doesn't mean anything, Manaless. It's still alpha
uncut vault
I mean if it wasnt obvious
frosty matrix
The game is months away from being complete
tranquil steeple
Just wait until it's actually fully fleshed out.
Worrying needlessly helps nobody.
slate ingot
Sure it does, it just confirms there horde bias they've always had. They have better allied races better bfa zones
sharp bluff
Idk i think the Monster hunter them is pretty cool in the Alliance zones
frosty matrix
Again, your opinion.
sharp bluff
The giant constructs
hollow dock
Horde has never looked nice for its leveling zones tho.
sharp bluff
burning effigies monsters
tranquil steeple
I've heard more complaints of an "Alliance bias" more than a "Horde bias" throughout my time of playing WoW.
heavy cairn
horde's allied races aren't really better (until maghar comes)
sharp bluff
^
slate ingot
Not really an opinion when a far amount of people share the sentiment and there's been a blatant horde bias for years
sharp bluff
Well the highmountain racial charge is nice....
heavy cairn
currently we have a night elf subrace that can't be a druid, then two restricted subsets of tauren and trolls which are almost identical minus new tattoos and standing up straight (minor additions)
sharp bluff
There has been Thrawl bias for years, not horde bias
slate ingot
Zandalari is its own model
spice rain
Dinosaurs > glowing beards
slate ingot
It's its own skeleton and everything
hollow dock
Not entirely. It's half troll half nelf.
tranquil steeple
Thrall Bias =/ Horde Bias
Horde bias being what you claimed there'd been lots off.
heavy cairn
yes, zandalari is unique but doesn't solve any problems other than "hunching"
no shoes, etc.
slate ingot
What thrall bias lol
hollow dock
green jesus
tranquil steeple
Misread who said it
slate ingot
Metzen had a hard on for green Jesus but that's besides the point
hollow dock
he's literally green jesus
tranquil steeple
My bad.
heavy cairn
so horde may get two new druid races but they are literally subraces that are barely different. alliance is wrong to be complaining about horde getting "better" races when both factions' situations are basically the same
slate ingot
Horde has had no areas get destroyed outside of maybe one or two while alliance gets fucked every expansion.
sharp bluff
Thrall got all the bias on horde side, horde as whole is only just getting it
slate ingot
You mean camp taurajo
spice rain
Horde are getting recolours and new models, alliance are getting recolours, thats why people are saying horde bias
sharp bluff
Horde has always had uglier zones compared to alliance, for example WoD, look at the zones that they start in
slate ingot
WOD was a shit fest in general
sharp bluff
Horde gets Ice and spikes, Alliance gets a beautiful valley
hollow dock
Its beginning really wasn't.
heavy cairn
yes, alliance gets pretty zones, at the cost of sometimes getting destroyed. but horde zones aren't immune either
spice rain
Wtf? Shadowmoon was shit in comparison to frostfire, cmon frostfire is amazing
hollow dock
warchief number 5?
spice rain
Looks, not questing btw
hollow dock
I absolutely loved the forested planes of Shadowmoon compared to the glacier plains of Frostfire tbh
spice rain
Yes, but frostfire was better
dense plover
Frost fire was ice and black mountains
slate ingot
Frost fire was nice the garrison was dog shit but the zone itself was nice
dense plover
It was objectively not better
heavy cairn
shadowmoon is a lot prettier than frostfire in my opinion. frostfire is certainly the prettiest winter-themed zone, but doesn't make it better than shadowmoon
hollow dock
Everything the horde makes that isn't elf is horrible to look at mana
that hasn't changed since vanilla
hollow dock
theyre meant to be more barbaric, cobbled together
spice rain
@dense plover btw all my toons are alliance, so not even fanboying
dense plover
Slow your roll vris
Thunder totem is awesome
Thunder bluff is awesome
And now we get zuldazar
spice rain
Sky cows
frosty matrix
Thunder Totem didn't start out as intrinsically Horde to be fair
heavy cairn
thunder totem made before horde, but I have to say "prime" tauren structures are fine
dense plover
That shit is supreme awesome
hollow dock
Indeed. the horde didn't make thundertotem
frosty matrix
Anything Orcs make look like dogshit though 😄
hollow dock
re-read what I've stated.
dense plover
I like some of the orc structures though
It’s just that a lot of them in one place feels like too much
hollow dock
Post garrosh when y'all went Ironclad yea it looked somewhat better
still looked like absolute eyesores though
spice rain
ME ORC, BUILD HOUSE, PUT MANY SPIKES
frosty matrix
LOL
hollow dock
^
dense plover
It defends you from aerial pigeons landing on your roof
hollow dock
yea those Aerial Pigeons are a true terror and threat to teh stability of the horde
sharp bluff
The only three alliance leaders I like (not counting pandas) are the gnomes, space goats, and dwarfs
-Humans/Worgen i can't trust
-after a certain legion zone i hate Nelfs more then ever (Tyrande TYRANDE TYRANDEEEEEE) also they are the reason we have Shelfs
hollow dock
MORE SPIKES NOW
dense plover
The tyrande thing was funny tho
hollow dock
I dont get why people hated it
dense plover
Why hate night elves for Xavius mocking them?
hollow dock
it was literally the best ten minutes of trolling ever done in legit warcraft canon
sharp bluff
Tyrande is the reason we have Shelfs, Allaince hate her more then I do
since they lost out on shiny elfs, and got emo elfs
dense plover
high elves haven’t gone because of her
High elves are still part of the alliance
But they are visually too similar to blood elves to ever be playable
Literally the only difference is a slight skin tint change and eye color
sharp bluff
Honestly though, only 3(and a panda) out of 7 leaders I think are good leaders, that is not really good odds
spice rain
@sharp bluff Shelves*
jovial coral
Same could be said with orcs
sharp bluff
Sorry it auto corrects Bowbee
spice rain
uncut vault
nah its shelfs
sharp bluff
On horde, I trust Suarfang, Baine, Panda, Belf, the spirit of Voljiin
uncut vault
like belfs and nelfs
heavy cairn
belves and nelves
sharp bluff
still undecided on Sylvanis
heavy cairn
same with shelves
sharp bluff
shal'dorei
hollow dock
Noalliance hates Tyrande
what are you talking about
and she is not the reason the Shal'dorei joined the horde
she didn't help in that regard, but she wasn't the cause of that
heavy cairn
zep, I think it's shiny, but shal'dorei also works
uncut vault
they joined the horde because blizzard wanted them to join the horde
sharp bluff
Really? evn though what happened in suramar, where she insults the Shal'dorei non-stop?
leaden garden
They joined horde because the Horde was nicer to them than the alliance, Tyrande was a bitch, and they have a kindred spirit in the elves that also used to be mana-crack addicts like they were/are
hollow dock
Secondly, she was interacting with people who backstabbed her then had the gall to invoke the 'kindred spirit' thing when they turned their backs on her collectively.
sharp bluff
It was more then that, every incursion quest she did on horde side
heavy cairn
wait, when?
also lol third time's the charm
sharp bluff
No i mean she insulted the Shelfs' (not horde we had the other elf insult us horde every time) every quest
The other chick insulted us horde everytime
spice rain
Tyrande: speaks with concern
Thalyssrah: "f*ck you we gnna join the horde and murder you lmoa"
hollow dock
^
heavy cairn
thalyssra already proved herself as a bad leader in my eyes
sharp bluff
They will ether learn to live without the well, or die
hollow dock
Tyrande has legitimate concerns and Thaly gets insulted by it. She tries to force Tyrandes cooperation with guilt and nostalgia, Tyrande in turn does not take kindly.
heavy cairn
the issue I have is that the nightwell only was the way it was because of being cut off from azeroth (that's the theory, the actual reason is unexplained)
they didn't really have to destroy it. why can blood elves keep the sunwell but not nightborne elves with the nightwell?
hollow dock
They're bitches to each other for their ideologies.
They did though. The Legion wouldn't stop coming after it and unlike the Sunwell, it wasn't going to get light blessed anytime soon.
They had the means to break its hold on their people, a symbolic breaking of the old chains.
sharp bluff
From a horde standpoint it sounded like all she said was bitch, your people will man up or die, we wont help you
not a single care for the people
heavy cairn
that is a pretty big symbol to use
hollow dock
Because she was there to fight and win a war. not make friends.
rich apex
^
heavy cairn
tyrande is justified, this is on thalyssra
sharp bluff
Belves did both, and quite well
hollow dock
Zep doesn't believe such.
spice rain
Tyrande: "ur mom gay"
Thaly: "no u"
joins horde
hollow dock
Belves did both because they had common ground.
sharp bluff
My Bias is mainly from the horrible quest line that dealt with her a few zones earlier
hollow dock
They had been in the same situation as the Nightborne and thus had more commradery in such.
uncut vault
its still literally just "How dare she imply I'll betray her like the last two elven leaders? just for that, im going to betray her!"
sharp bluff
I see the alliance becoming more military like ether way
rich apex
Implying Thalyssa made any agreement with Tyrande beyond 'let's kill elisande and defeat the legion'
hollow dock
The alliance has always been more militaristic.
sharp bluff
either way, give me more gnomes over elfs
hollow dock
You got more gnomes back in cata.
rich apex
Keep dreaming fam
hollow dock
that's really all they've needed to do on the world scale because theres not much else presence for them anywhere on Azeroth
sharp bluff
I will lol
Like i said 3(4 if count pandas) leaders only make half the leaders I trust, I will trust the Prince-ling again when he get the worgen outta his ear
But we shall see
who knows maybe BfA will change my mind
hollow dock
Why wouldn't pandas count?
rich apex
Implying the pandas will do anything
sharp bluff
Well on both sides they really havnt done much since SoO
so idk what to say, i dig them
hollow dock
I love them both.
sharp bluff
but not much has happened plot wise
hollow dock
Theyre just star crossed lovers who unfortunately, had to pick a side.
sharp bluff
The horde one just kinda meditates in our hut
hollow dock
I take it you dont read the books
sharp bluff
And i hear their are currently 2 of the alliance panda a few seconds away from each other currently
One at the lake, and one in the embassy
I did not, but I did enjoy the starting zone, the story of those two was lovely, and it is sad when I see them in SoO
I have not done the Monk class quests yet, but I know they are there on the turtle
So I am glad they met up again, even if just for a bit
hollow dock
they also met up during War Crimes
the novel that is
and they were described as slinking off for supposed nuptials.
sharp bluff
uh huh, little cubs when?
hollow dock
They'd be alliance cubs, but no idea when
sharp bluff
I know they would, but good for them
hollow dock
They've been one of those adorable couples in WoW.
sharp bluff
one of the few left alive that is