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heavy cairn Mar 3, 2018, 5:31 PM

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I don't think duplicating rigs makes an allied race invalid

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zandalaris are semi-reused night elves

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and nightborne are definitely reused night elves

tulip sun Mar 3, 2018, 5:32 PM

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I think a lot of people would welcome taunka

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Theyd require new models like nightborne tho

sharp bluff Mar 3, 2018, 5:33 PM

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Well for Forest Trolls it looks like there is only one option, already allied with the horde that is

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Revantusk tribe, It says they are allied with the horde, but never joined

tulip sun Mar 3, 2018, 5:33 PM

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Forest trolls from revantusk

dense plover Mar 3, 2018, 5:33 PM

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the entire purpose of allied races is reusing the skeleton

tulip sun Mar 3, 2018, 5:33 PM

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In bfa data mining shows they say they support the horde

dense plover Mar 3, 2018, 5:33 PM

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not a single allied race has a unique skeleton

heavy cairn Mar 3, 2018, 5:34 PM

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exactly, reusing a skeleton doesn't mean it can't be reused again

dense plover Mar 3, 2018, 5:34 PM

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ofc

heavy cairn Mar 3, 2018, 5:34 PM

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don't assume rules from patterns that are based off of a very small number of allied races

dense plover Mar 3, 2018, 5:34 PM

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but anything that requires a brand new skeleton

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isnt going to be an allied race

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that would just be a new race period

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thats the biggest difference between the two

heavy cairn Mar 3, 2018, 5:34 PM

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well, allied races are also unique in that their story is told at max level rather than low level

tulip sun Mar 3, 2018, 5:35 PM

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Or in previous expansions

heavy cairn Mar 3, 2018, 5:35 PM

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I don't think that's a technique that has to exclusively apply to reused-skeleton races

steel venture Mar 3, 2018, 5:36 PM

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I believe, for example, something like Naga would technically be an allied race still, despite the new skeleton that they'd need.

As the break-away faction would require max-level storytelling and be significantly relevant to end game. IMO.

dense plover Mar 3, 2018, 5:36 PM

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i dont

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naga would absolutely be a new race

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introducing a race drastically different from the other races that require new animations and models and then locking that behind max level?

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i cant possibly imagine them doing that

heavy cairn Mar 3, 2018, 5:37 PM

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ah, I see your logic better now

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they would make more money allowing people to straight-away make naga
whereas people don't care enough about nightborne (just night elves for the horde), but they are a nice addition

dense plover Mar 3, 2018, 5:37 PM

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allied races are unlocked - which means they cant bear a big enough difference from other races

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if they do

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people would be upset

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aand you would push people away

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and you would lose money

heavy cairn Mar 3, 2018, 5:39 PM

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the issue I see is that the animations and skeletons aren't the only things people care about

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some just want to be a really cool race, and to many zandalari are that race. probably on the same level as naga. yet zandalari must be unlocked

tulip sun Mar 3, 2018, 5:39 PM

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I know they can't, but it would be nice if they did the intro quests to unlock all new races

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Even full races

terse patrol Mar 3, 2018, 5:40 PM

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Blizzard’s been doing more ogre female art, so I’m holding out hope we’re getting ogres next expac.

heavy cairn Mar 3, 2018, 5:40 PM

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well we are already going back to draenor for draenor orcs, so ogres seem like another likely candidate. there is a whole unexplored continent, after all

terse patrol Mar 3, 2018, 5:40 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/Ga9n096.jpg

Imgur

heavy cairn Mar 3, 2018, 5:42 PM

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though, do ogres share a skeleton with an existing player race?

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certainly the female ogre would have to be a new skeleton if not

steel venture Mar 3, 2018, 5:42 PM

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They have an older model that is a native, although they share nothing with current players.

terse patrol Mar 3, 2018, 5:43 PM

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^

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Also.

steel venture Mar 3, 2018, 5:43 PM

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Unless female ogre will be based off of female dwarves or orcs perhaps.

terse patrol Mar 3, 2018, 5:43 PM

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If you look at the Draenor map

steel venture Mar 3, 2018, 5:43 PM

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Skeleton-wise.

terse patrol Mar 3, 2018, 5:43 PM

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There’s an entire second continent, which was supposed to be ruled by ogres.

heavy cairn Mar 3, 2018, 5:43 PM

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yes, that is that unexplored continent I was talking about

steel venture Mar 3, 2018, 5:43 PM

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Vrykul do use the orc animations, so it isn't a stretch to use dwarf animations for a female ogre.

terse patrol Mar 3, 2018, 5:44 PM

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So ye. I’m 90% sure Ogres are incoming by next expac. Between the new art, and the seemingly random advanced ogre architecture on the Seething Shore.

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Seems likely.

plain vigil Mar 3, 2018, 5:46 PM

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Lorewise though kul tiran druids make sense, they have dark druidism as a religion on their island. Dark druidism to the kul tirans is like warlocks for the orcs....

heavy cairn Mar 3, 2018, 5:46 PM

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well, blizzard might pull another zandalari prelate

terse patrol Mar 3, 2018, 5:47 PM

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Dark druid for FIFTH druid spec when

heavy cairn Mar 3, 2018, 5:47 PM

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i.e. the dark druid order ends before you get to unlock kultirans

terse patrol Mar 3, 2018, 5:47 PM

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Idk, they might, but the Alliance would riot.

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Blizzard said Shaman would be Horde only.

steel venture Mar 3, 2018, 5:47 PM

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Actually:

strange falcon Mar 3, 2018, 5:47 PM

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dark druidism is what caused those freaky willow creatures to appear in the first place

steel venture Mar 3, 2018, 5:47 PM

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There's regular druids on kul tiras.

terse patrol Mar 3, 2018, 5:47 PM

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If they made Druid Horde only too, there’d be hell to pay.

steel venture Mar 3, 2018, 5:47 PM

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Not just "dark" ones

heavy cairn Mar 3, 2018, 5:48 PM

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as I said earlier, with such a small number of confirmed and potential allied races, it's silly to say stuff like "horde only" (unless blizzard said it)

steel venture Mar 3, 2018, 5:48 PM

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https://gyazo.com/0b2951408ed0624efb5aa35817a3dca9
https://gyazo.com/fea99f13103e262e0d1fc2c2133aebf9

Gyazo

plain vigil Mar 3, 2018, 5:48 PM

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@steel venture yup

heavy cairn Mar 3, 2018, 5:48 PM

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horde does need better druid races IMO

steel venture Mar 3, 2018, 5:48 PM

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Actual legitimate, shapeshifting Kul Tiran druid.

heavy cairn Mar 3, 2018, 5:48 PM

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oh, interesting

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though again

plain vigil Mar 3, 2018, 5:49 PM

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Horde needs a break from druids

heavy cairn Mar 3, 2018, 5:49 PM

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blizzard might pull another zandalari prelate, the druid order of kultiras ends before story ends

steel venture Mar 3, 2018, 5:49 PM

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TBH Maybe not.

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Kul Tirans are the descendants of Gilneans.

uncut vault Mar 3, 2018, 5:49 PM

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It they were going to that questline was their time

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We cleanse and save their grove

plain vigil Mar 3, 2018, 5:49 PM

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But the druid forms for kul tirans could be the drust forms as well

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Which would compete with zandalari

steel venture Mar 3, 2018, 5:49 PM

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Aka ... the druid forms already exist.
Worgen druid forms could be modified to be more kul tiran.

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So it's, pretty easy for blizz to make kul tiran druids

uncut vault Mar 3, 2018, 5:50 PM

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Parrot flight form pls

heavy cairn Mar 3, 2018, 5:50 PM

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ah, good thinking

terse patrol Mar 3, 2018, 5:50 PM

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Zandalari prelates make me salty. Maybe they’ll paladin again, at a later expansion, after learning about the Light or someshit.

hollow dock Mar 3, 2018, 5:50 PM

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Are we still on this?

plain vigil Mar 3, 2018, 5:50 PM

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No

steel venture Mar 3, 2018, 5:50 PM

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albatros flight form or krestrel flight form imo

plain vigil Mar 3, 2018, 5:50 PM

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We’re on kul tiran druids

terse patrol Mar 3, 2018, 5:50 PM

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sea gull form lmao

uncut vault Mar 3, 2018, 5:50 PM

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Zandalari paladins aren’t gonna go away. Blizz has dug themselves into the same corner as high elves

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Nah they need a freak seagull hybrid boomkin form

terse patrol Mar 3, 2018, 5:51 PM

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idk, we haven’t gotten high elves yet. 😉

plain vigil Mar 3, 2018, 5:51 PM

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Oh truuuuue @steel venture

terse patrol Mar 3, 2018, 5:52 PM

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Blizzard did screw themselves, though. If they did make High Elves, the Alliance would have two freakin’ Belf style models.

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Horde would riot.

heavy cairn Mar 3, 2018, 5:52 PM

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how many "high elves" are actually left?

terse patrol Mar 3, 2018, 5:52 PM

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Way more than Void Elves.

uncut vault Mar 3, 2018, 5:52 PM

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Let’s not get into that topic full blown. But enough.

terse patrol Mar 3, 2018, 5:53 PM

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Void Elves are literally just high and blood elf scholars.

plain vigil Mar 3, 2018, 5:53 PM

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^^^

terse patrol Mar 3, 2018, 5:53 PM

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A tiny faction.

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Blows my mind that they didn’t just do a Silver Covenant faction for High Elves to “join” the Alliance with.

plain vigil Mar 3, 2018, 5:54 PM

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Just give a blue eyed option for blood elves and a flesh skin color for void, bahm problem solved. They can even cross communicate already

heavy cairn Mar 3, 2018, 5:54 PM

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datamined dialogue for battle for undercity implied the numbers of void elves was competitive with the number of undead

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and there are a lot of forsaken

uncut vault Mar 3, 2018, 5:54 PM

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That was a meme line

terse patrol Mar 3, 2018, 5:54 PM

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There are already freakin’ High Elf models in game. Just give them unique hairstyles.

uncut vault Mar 3, 2018, 5:54 PM

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Got changed a build or two ago

heavy cairn Mar 3, 2018, 5:55 PM

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oh, ok

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was unaware

sharp bluff Mar 3, 2018, 5:55 PM

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Quick question, on the topic of cross talk, when did Demon Hunters lose Demonic as a language

heavy cairn Mar 3, 2018, 5:55 PM

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wait, what?

uncut vault Mar 3, 2018, 5:55 PM

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They still have it afaik

terse patrol Mar 3, 2018, 5:55 PM

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They should still have it with metamorphosis

sharp bluff Mar 3, 2018, 5:55 PM

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mine does not

heavy cairn Mar 3, 2018, 5:55 PM

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I'm checking right now

sharp bluff Mar 3, 2018, 5:55 PM

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ahh only Metamorphosis

terse patrol Mar 3, 2018, 5:55 PM

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Yes

heavy cairn Mar 3, 2018, 5:55 PM

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when was that changed, and why?

terse patrol Mar 3, 2018, 5:56 PM

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Blizzard reasoning.

heavy cairn Mar 3, 2018, 5:56 PM

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IIRC when 7.3.5 first came out I could still talk in demonic without meta

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in fact, I can still talk in demonic

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and I'm not in meta

sharp bluff Mar 3, 2018, 5:56 PM

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i noticed doing the Twisting Nether challenge with my DH, I could not understand a Nelf

plain vigil Mar 3, 2018, 5:56 PM

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@sharp bluff if you have a language addon it doesn’t support cross language so you gotta disable it.

sharp bluff Mar 3, 2018, 5:57 PM

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I do not

plain vigil Mar 3, 2018, 5:57 PM

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Rip u then

sharp bluff Mar 3, 2018, 5:57 PM

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But i remember DH Nelf and Belf being able to talk to each other beforre

heavy cairn Mar 3, 2018, 5:57 PM

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they should be able to still (blizzard doesn't really seem to mind cross-faction anymore, they do it with pandaren and void/blood elves at least)

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but I can't really test

steel venture Mar 3, 2018, 6:03 PM

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Scenarios and BGs would have it disabled

sharp bluff Mar 3, 2018, 6:10 PM

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ahh that would maybe do it, Twisting Nether may be a scenario inside the DH class hall

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still don't see it on my language list under skills though oddly

meager warren Mar 3, 2018, 8:07 PM

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we're always gonna be on "this" @hollow dock

tropic trail Mar 3, 2018, 10:33 PM

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so what's the happenings spoiler gang? any exciting new news to share with the world?

tulip sun Mar 3, 2018, 10:34 PM

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Nupe

strange falcon Mar 3, 2018, 10:34 PM

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i think there hasnt been a new alpha build yet

meager warren Mar 3, 2018, 10:34 PM

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look at #latest-news-old for that.
we haven't seen anything of substance in there as of today

uncut vault Mar 3, 2018, 10:38 PM

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biggest recent thing is the mission table stuff afaik

misty blaze Mar 3, 2018, 11:09 PM

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how about a super saiyan race while were at it ohw ait thats the light forged draenei <.<

meager warren Mar 3, 2018, 11:24 PM

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Super-saiyans are OP to a level that no race or person on Azeroth can reach.
Except maybe the titans

rich apex Mar 3, 2018, 11:46 PM

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Lightforged are space marines

hollow dock Mar 3, 2018, 11:51 PM

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GIT

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DIS

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WEEB

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SHIT

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OUTTA HERE

meager warren Mar 3, 2018, 11:56 PM

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says the weeb

hollow dock Mar 3, 2018, 11:58 PM

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ur a weeb

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and you have no proof I'm a weeb

meager warren Mar 3, 2018, 11:59 PM

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you call that artifact "Knaifu"
http://prntscr.com/imi0zf

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hollow dock Mar 4, 2018, 12:00 AM

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this picture is a rendition of Tyrande Whisperwind thank you very much. In which that is her name.

uncut vault Mar 4, 2018, 12:08 AM

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why do you still have the horrible hat placement anyways

sudden oak Mar 4, 2018, 12:08 AM

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Knaifu is not weeb????

meager warren Mar 4, 2018, 12:09 AM

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it's an amalgamation of "Knife" and "Waifu" which is weeb

sudden oak Mar 4, 2018, 12:09 AM

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lies and slander

meager warren Mar 4, 2018, 12:09 AM

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lol

hollow dock Mar 4, 2018, 12:12 AM

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Because

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it annoys people

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and i like the hat and love hatbot

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praise be hatbot

meager warren Mar 4, 2018, 12:13 AM

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why do u call the artifact "Knaifu" if ur not weeb

compact merlin Mar 4, 2018, 12:16 AM

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knaifu is my waifu

meager warren Mar 4, 2018, 12:16 AM

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that's kinda redundant

hollow dock Mar 4, 2018, 12:16 AM

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because that's the universal nickname that the community has given Xala'tath and you instantly know what it refers to.

meager warren Mar 4, 2018, 12:17 AM

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http://prntscr.com/imi7kg

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compact merlin Mar 4, 2018, 12:18 AM

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whats wrong in being a spriest weeb

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we are all humans

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mostly

meager warren Mar 4, 2018, 12:18 AM

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Terminator weeb: Ackchually

hollow dock Mar 4, 2018, 12:18 AM

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I am no human

compact merlin Mar 4, 2018, 12:19 AM

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shh not now

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we have to wait until they start to kill each other

hollow dock Mar 4, 2018, 12:19 AM

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I am secretly three corgis in a trench coat masquerading as an Apache Helicopters AI that escaped from Area 51 on the internet.

meager warren Mar 4, 2018, 12:20 AM

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http://prntscr.com/imi8cp

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compact merlin Mar 4, 2018, 12:21 AM

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have you guys seen the new undead upright animations

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the female one is nice

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if we can use chinese undead models we are basically playing with a skinny human

meager warren Mar 4, 2018, 12:21 AM

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i've "seen" nothing but conspiracy theories and conjectures regarding any race but orc and Zandalari Troll having upright models

strong python Mar 4, 2018, 12:23 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO8k4glSAIY

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SoulSoBreezy

FIRST LOOK! Upright Undead/Forsaken Walking Animations and Comparisons! WoW Battle for Azeroth Alpha

Someone pointed out to me that there are also new Forsaken aka Undead walking animations to suit their apparently new upright appearance! Here we have a your...

▶ Play video

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I don't know if it's true tho

zinc sandal Mar 4, 2018, 12:24 AM

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It is

meager warren Mar 4, 2018, 12:25 AM

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wat

compact merlin Mar 4, 2018, 12:26 AM

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wat

strong python Mar 4, 2018, 12:28 AM

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wat

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I wonder if those are mandatory or optional

uncut vault Mar 4, 2018, 12:31 AM

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they will certainly be optional, if implented

zinc sandal Mar 4, 2018, 12:36 AM

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^

sudden oak Mar 4, 2018, 12:53 AM

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the male undead looks kinda weird or its just me?

zinc sandal Mar 4, 2018, 12:58 AM

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He keeps some hunch

compact merlin Mar 4, 2018, 1:07 AM

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probably still a WIP

hollow dock Mar 4, 2018, 1:07 AM

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No clearly its not

compact merlin Mar 4, 2018, 1:11 AM

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well, its still on alpha

dense plover Mar 4, 2018, 1:12 AM

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those animations are not for the undead

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they are the upright orc animation

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applied to the undead skeleton

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currently the only time it is actually used for undead is for the undead guards in zandalar when they are standing still

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it is not used during movement for them

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or even for player undead

rich apex Mar 4, 2018, 1:21 AM

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WIP? In alpha?

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What a crazy notion

hollow dock Mar 4, 2018, 1:23 AM

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^

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If it hits alpha it'll never change or get removed

meager warren Mar 4, 2018, 1:29 AM

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it could get removed in a different patch tho.
but once it hits alpha, it's going to live where it'll remain until the devs change their mind

hollow dock Mar 4, 2018, 1:36 AM

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It never gets changed or removed)

meager warren Mar 4, 2018, 1:37 AM

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A lot of stuff that hit alpha in the past got removed/ changed with future expacs.

hollow dock Mar 4, 2018, 1:43 AM

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Never happened.

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Fake news.

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Horde propaganda

strange falcon Mar 4, 2018, 1:43 AM

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vris blaming things on the horde omegalul

meager warren Mar 4, 2018, 1:45 AM

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Stuff that i can think of that fits that description...

Warlocks being OP in MoP
*Cape in Timeless Isles that got you across the bridge
*Mount rewards from final raids
*Silithus: Wound in the World
*Cataclysm
*Zandalar and Kul'tiras being removed from the game around Vanilla

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oh and let's not forget WoD

rich apex Mar 4, 2018, 1:51 AM

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...KT and Zandalar in vanilla?

hollow dock Mar 4, 2018, 1:54 AM

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Nothing ever gets removed

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Ever

meager warren Mar 4, 2018, 1:54 AM

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smh

hollow dock Mar 4, 2018, 1:54 AM

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Its just propaganda from the failing horde.

meager warren Mar 4, 2018, 1:55 AM

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http://prntscr.com/imj1ic
what's this then

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hollow dock Mar 4, 2018, 1:55 AM

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Fake news.

meager warren Mar 4, 2018, 1:55 AM

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orly

rich apex Mar 4, 2018, 1:55 AM

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Do map changes really count as cut content?

meager warren Mar 4, 2018, 1:56 AM

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yes

tropic trail Mar 4, 2018, 1:56 AM

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I don't think that's even a real map

hollow dock Mar 4, 2018, 1:56 AM

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Yuge fake news

meager warren Mar 4, 2018, 1:56 AM

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shhhhhh

hollow dock Mar 4, 2018, 1:56 AM

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Believe me

meager warren Mar 4, 2018, 1:56 AM

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it's definitely real

rich apex Mar 4, 2018, 1:56 AM

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I've literally never seen the Maelstrom referred to as the Rift

meager warren Mar 4, 2018, 1:56 AM

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why are u impersonating Trump, Vris

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https://wow.gamepedia.com/Rift_(Maelstrom)

Wowpedia

Rift (Maelstrom)

rich apex Mar 4, 2018, 1:57 AM

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Okay, that's fair

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Comment retracted 😛

tropic trail Mar 4, 2018, 1:58 AM

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the broken isles are in the wrong spot on that map, they've actually been seen on official maps before legion

meager warren Mar 4, 2018, 1:58 AM

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ok well, i'm sure there's a different map that has them all in the right place

rich apex Mar 4, 2018, 1:58 AM

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"Although Brann Bronzebeard could not go too far down into the Rift because of the pressure, he said that "Perhaps the Well of Eternity still exists, in some form, in Azeroth’s heart, for arcane currents emanate from the Rift."[3]"

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Eheheheh

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And they say Blizz is making shit up as they go along

meager warren Mar 4, 2018, 1:59 AM

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Bliz has been making shit up from day 1

tropic trail Mar 4, 2018, 1:59 AM

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is that from the rpg tho?

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although they declared the RPG non-cannon, they pull a lot from it

zinc sandal Mar 4, 2018, 1:59 AM

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And they will continue to, they need to.

rich apex Mar 4, 2018, 2:00 AM

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Oh it's totally non canon

tropic trail Mar 4, 2018, 2:00 AM

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the brann bronzebeard fact

rich apex Mar 4, 2018, 2:00 AM

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That was mostly a joke

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But it's a highly amusing and probably unintended connection

hollow dock Mar 4, 2018, 2:01 AM

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Theyre doing what disney does with the star wars EU. Just make stuff they like canon from a convoluted source

meager warren Mar 4, 2018, 2:02 AM

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and the funny thing about Disney's Star Wars is that, it's a lot better now than it was in George Lucas's hands

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unfortunately, Star Wars the Clone Wars ended ;-;

rich apex Mar 4, 2018, 2:03 AM

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You know Lucas helped make Clone Wars right

meager warren Mar 4, 2018, 2:03 AM

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yes.
but it wasn't all his work

rich apex Mar 4, 2018, 2:03 AM

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Juuust saying

meager warren Mar 4, 2018, 2:04 AM

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👌

sharp bluff Mar 4, 2018, 2:09 AM

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Vris wants a wall between them self and the horde

meager warren Mar 4, 2018, 2:27 AM

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what else is new

ruby prawn Mar 4, 2018, 8:45 AM

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In bfa, Anduin will fall in love with Sylvanas. I can't guarantee that, but I hope they will

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Just imagine the possibilities

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It would become a great story

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Between a rotting corpse and an underage child

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A better love story than twilight

meager warren Mar 4, 2018, 8:47 AM

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underage child?
rotting corpse?
oh, hun

tulip torrent Mar 4, 2018, 9:53 AM

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i dont believe its possible

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there must be always a conflict between the two fractions

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otherwise the game will be over

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like some romantic movie with happy? end

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and they said that they have enough ideas for like 10 exp more

meager warren Mar 4, 2018, 9:54 AM

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that hasn't stopped them from making Romeo and juliet references

tulip torrent Mar 4, 2018, 9:55 AM

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i dont remember them fighting on the battle field

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i dont say that there wont be love, just maybe you got the 2 ppl involved wrong

meager warren Mar 4, 2018, 9:55 AM

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well, no.
But the Montagues and Capulets loved to kill each other

tulip torrent Mar 4, 2018, 9:57 AM

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btw what was in the cube guarded by kirin tor

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i dont remember

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i saw it in the movie concept

meager warren Mar 4, 2018, 9:58 AM

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cube?
wat

tulip torrent Mar 4, 2018, 9:58 AM

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i think we saw it in mists of pandaria

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whispering to someone

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http://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/709534.jpg

terse patrol Mar 4, 2018, 10:34 AM

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@Exosdar#7054 anduin is 18

jade basalt Mar 4, 2018, 10:35 AM

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It's Alodi. @tulip torrent

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https://wow.gamepedia.com/Alodi_(film_universe)

Wowpedia

Alodi (film universe)

hollow dock Mar 4, 2018, 11:49 AM

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@meager warren I certainly wouldnt say that considering its canon mow that the force can be used to time travel.

humble sun Mar 4, 2018, 12:08 PM

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Movie is not canon.

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It's in it's own Universe.

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Anything in the movie does not reflect lore in relation of the video games.

hollow dock Mar 4, 2018, 1:09 PM

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it does but doesn't is what blizz said. It's like WoD, the events of WoD dont change our timeline but still have happened in universe.

jade basalt Mar 4, 2018, 1:11 PM

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Nope. Movie is completely separate.

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As in, it has not and never will have any effect on our universe. WoD can effect our universe.

hollow dock Mar 4, 2018, 1:14 PM

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I think you misunderstood me as we just said the same thing

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We making the Iron Horde didn't stop the horde from invading our azeroth

jade basalt Mar 4, 2018, 1:14 PM

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You said "It's like WoD"

hollow dock Mar 4, 2018, 1:14 PM

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Yes because all the things we did to change THAT TIMELINE didn't affect ours.

jade basalt Mar 4, 2018, 1:14 PM

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WoD can effect our universe. The movie universe cannot.

hollow dock Mar 4, 2018, 1:15 PM

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Except that AU Draenors horde didn't stop our horde from invading Azeroth. The events are similar, and yes if we head to AU Draenor it can affect us, but that doesn't change that the movie universe is one of the millions of timelines within the Warcraft universe.

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If somehow the main line linked to it, it could affect us like any other timeline.

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When I say its like WoD, I mean that AU Draenor and its timeline are seperate to our own, but still happen in universe.

jade basalt Mar 4, 2018, 1:19 PM

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Yes, so not exactly "like WoD".

hollow dock Mar 4, 2018, 1:22 PM

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Like means it's similar in some way shape or form, my use of the word like is perfectly acceptable.

compact merlin Mar 4, 2018, 1:23 PM

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I think he is trying to say that things from the WoD universe can affect our universe

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like for some reason Grom end up being the new warchief

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(on our universe)

hollow dock Mar 4, 2018, 1:25 PM

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Grom was never warchief in our timeline.

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Only in AU and it didn't affect us at all until garrosh made it affect us.

true matrix Mar 4, 2018, 2:31 PM

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yeah the movie and WoD are... not the same at all

dense plover Mar 4, 2018, 7:16 PM

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man, they added a lot of cool weapon models in the build where they added zuldazar

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look at this thing

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https://bfa.wowhead.com/item=159636/8-0-ph-dungeon-caster-staff&bonus=4777:1637

Wowhead

8.0 - PH Dungeon - Caster STAFF

This blue staff has an item level of 345. It is looted from Adderis. In the Staves category. Added in World of Warcraft: Battle for Azeroth.

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also, look at this helmet

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https://beta.wowhead.com/item=159422

Wowhead

8.0 - PH Dungeon - Plate HEAD

This blue plate armor of item level 345 goes in the "Head" slot. Added in World of Warcraft: Battle for Azeroth. Always up to date with the latest patch.

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hook hand

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https://bfa.wowhead.com/item=159633/8-0-ph-dungeon-str-1h-mace&bonus=4777:1637

Wowhead

8.0 - PH Dungeon - Str 1H MACE

This blue one-handed mace has an item level of 345. It is looted from Skycap'n Kragg. In the One-Handed Maces category. Added in World of Warcraft: Battle for Azeroth.

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kul tiras glaive

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https://bfa.wowhead.com/item=159501/8-0-ph-weapon-warglaive&bonus=0

Wowhead

8.0 PH - Weapon - Warglaive

This green warglaive has an item level of 168. In the Warglaives category. Added in World of Warcraft: Battle for Azeroth. Always up to date.

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zandalari glaive

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https://bfa.wowhead.com/item=159505/8-0-ph-weapon-warglaive&bonus=0

Wowhead

8.0 PH - Weapon - Warglaive

This green warglaive has an item level of 168. In the Warglaives category. Added in World of Warcraft: Battle for Azeroth. Always up to date.

hollow dock Mar 4, 2018, 7:35 PM

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they look nice. Good to know those models are getting used.

dense plover Mar 4, 2018, 7:41 PM

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theyre making lots of new ones too

meager warren Mar 4, 2018, 7:51 PM

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@hollow dock wat

zinc sandal Mar 4, 2018, 8:06 PM

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I need that sneeple staff

hollow dock Mar 4, 2018, 8:08 PM

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yea

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latest season of Rebels they timetravel through the Force to save Ahsoka.

dense plover Mar 4, 2018, 8:27 PM

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what are you talking about vris?

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are you okay?

hollow dock Mar 4, 2018, 8:31 PM

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I am talking to Arson peach.

meager warren Mar 4, 2018, 9:03 PM

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what does that have to do with them discontinuing The Clone Wars

hollow dock Mar 4, 2018, 9:06 PM

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Its your claim that the canon is better now than it was before.

tropic trail Mar 4, 2018, 9:08 PM

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are we talking about starwars?

zinc sandal Mar 4, 2018, 9:09 PM

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Vader did nothing wrong.

meager warren Mar 4, 2018, 9:27 PM

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i said it's better in Disney's hands instead of George Lucas's.
Because George couldn't write a character worth shit.
Or at least, not a developed character

hollow dock Mar 4, 2018, 9:34 PM

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Yet everyone praised him for Luke 🤔

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Id say its more correct to say he doesn't know how to direct. But his writing is spot on.

rich apex Mar 4, 2018, 9:36 PM

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You either die a hero of creating a cornerstone of pop culture or live long enough to have your subsequent works nitpicked to death

meager warren Mar 4, 2018, 9:38 PM

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or, you either die a victim of the internet or you live long enough to realize ur a victim of the internet

rich apex Mar 4, 2018, 9:39 PM

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The Internet (and anime) was a mistake

hollow dock Mar 4, 2018, 9:39 PM

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Life was a mistake

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start over from scratch, pack it all up

rich apex Mar 4, 2018, 9:39 PM

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Vris: https://i.imgur.com/vztc6Bwh.jpg

zinc sandal Mar 4, 2018, 9:58 PM

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Sargeras was right.

ivory monolith Mar 4, 2018, 10:32 PM

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https://twitter.com/handclaw/status/970419162911858688 just thought some might be interested in this 😅

handclaw (@handclaw)

Well, but if I'm poking, I poke a lot! Mag'har Orc Hair and beards!

uncut vault Mar 4, 2018, 10:33 PM

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them orc thighs

tropic trail Mar 4, 2018, 11:35 PM

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Thicc

hollow dock Mar 4, 2018, 11:39 PM

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oh god

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dear god why

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there's Grom's hair cut

tulip sun Mar 4, 2018, 11:39 PM

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How do you have those but neither of the major sites do xD

hollow dock Mar 4, 2018, 11:39 PM

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We dont need more copycat character blizzards

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Because places like WoWhead dont tell everyone the post is updated with new stuff they find. They make their post and just update it over timem

meager warren Mar 4, 2018, 11:42 PM

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#ThiccMag'har

hollow dock Mar 4, 2018, 11:42 PM

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How many versions of Grommash can be fit into the name space for WoW?

meager warren Mar 4, 2018, 11:43 PM

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and which one is Grom's haircut?

hollow dock Mar 4, 2018, 11:43 PM

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Second to the first orc

meager warren Mar 4, 2018, 11:44 PM

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first on the left or first on the right?
And first on the bottom or top?
And second sideways or up/ downwards?

hollow dock Mar 4, 2018, 11:44 PM

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From the top left orc.

tulip sun Mar 4, 2018, 11:44 PM

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Wowhead still don't get em

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Got

hollow dock Mar 4, 2018, 11:44 PM

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You read Left to right like all normal people dont you arson?

meager warren Mar 4, 2018, 11:45 PM

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Ok.
u mean the hideous mo-hawk or hideous man-bun?
Yes, i do. but some others don't so

hollow dock Mar 4, 2018, 11:45 PM

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When speaking of just us two, I think I dont need to specify it.

meager warren Mar 4, 2018, 11:46 PM

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i'm not trolling btw

uncut vault Mar 4, 2018, 11:52 PM

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https://gyazo.com/f4008b449bb7393442778c483725e900

Gyazo

meager warren Mar 4, 2018, 11:54 PM

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ty

tulip sun Mar 5, 2018, 12:07 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/D96MF3p.jpg

Imgur

Kor'kron are back. And now with some ookin' good members.

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I love this xD

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The monkey king also has his own area in Zuldazar? Hmmm

meager warren Mar 5, 2018, 12:10 AM

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wait a min, if Khamnin blocked me, how can i emote on their posts :thonking:

tulip sun Mar 5, 2018, 12:11 AM

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I didn't block you, lol. Just said thay

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That

meager warren Mar 5, 2018, 12:11 AM

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bamboozled again, me

tulip sun Mar 5, 2018, 12:12 AM

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This is exciting though

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I wonder if any other races will appear

uncut vault Mar 5, 2018, 12:13 AM

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some of yall need to take your O reactions off so I can spell ook

meager warren Mar 5, 2018, 12:13 AM

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hopefully we see pandaren again in Zandalar.
And Saurok.
And mogu.
and the silithid-like creatures we saw in that one place

uncut vault Mar 5, 2018, 12:13 AM

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We see mogu

meager warren Mar 5, 2018, 12:13 AM

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spells ook

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ez

tulip sun Mar 5, 2018, 12:15 AM

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It just surprised me to see obvious horde aligned hozen, especially in the korkron

meager warren Mar 5, 2018, 12:15 AM

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ooh, ooh, and jinyu

uncut vault Mar 5, 2018, 12:16 AM

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I mean, most hozen are still neutral/unfriendly to most, but the guys in jade forest should still be Horde

tulip sun Mar 5, 2018, 12:17 AM

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Ya, they never like, officially joined though? -shrug-

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Makes me hopeful

steel venture Mar 5, 2018, 12:17 AM

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Hozen got this bitch on lockdown!

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~~also yes i wll forever remind people that hozen CAN use actual swears~~

meager warren Mar 5, 2018, 12:18 AM

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"Hozen got this ookin' dookin'"

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 12:18 AM

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Hozen ookin' got dis dookin' down.

strange falcon Mar 5, 2018, 12:18 AM

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"me gonna ook you in the dooker" -famous hozen

meager warren Mar 5, 2018, 12:18 AM

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lul

rich apex Mar 5, 2018, 12:43 AM

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The elite Kor'kron Dooker

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 12:50 AM

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New boss in the new Siege of Orgrimmar: King Kor'kron. A giant hozen. that's it. its just a giant hozen. have fun.

meager warren Mar 5, 2018, 12:50 AM

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kek

tulip sun Mar 5, 2018, 1:37 AM

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Guys

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You think that photo is real right? I am curious. Currently trying to find proof somewhere that it is real

rich apex Mar 5, 2018, 1:38 AM

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If it's in the files, Wowhead will have a post in a day or two

tulip sun Mar 5, 2018, 1:40 AM

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Hmm. I checked and it is not in the database yet

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They'd be humanoid, right?

rich apex Mar 5, 2018, 1:40 AM

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When it's in the database, Wowhead will have a post

tulip sun Mar 5, 2018, 1:40 AM

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Ok.

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But do you think it looks real?

meager warren Mar 5, 2018, 1:41 AM

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why wouldn't it?
it's a hozen

tulip sun Mar 5, 2018, 1:42 AM

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Hmk

vague igloo Mar 5, 2018, 1:48 AM

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Hozen have been horde since MoP why would it be fake?

meager warren Mar 5, 2018, 1:48 AM

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#Notallhozen

rich apex Mar 5, 2018, 1:49 AM

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Hozen have been Horde but haven't actually done anything, to be fair

vague igloo Mar 5, 2018, 1:49 AM

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Sure not all members of the other races are horde either, including orcs

tulip sun Mar 5, 2018, 1:50 AM

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I am just worried

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Does the photo itself look real

vague igloo Mar 5, 2018, 1:50 AM

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They have shown up before as troops

meager warren Mar 5, 2018, 1:50 AM

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the photo itself looks real.
but until Bliz shows Kor'kron hozen in alpha, we can't be sure that it's real

tulip sun Mar 5, 2018, 1:50 AM

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It apparently is from alpha

rich apex Mar 5, 2018, 1:51 AM

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Wowhead will probably have a post

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Eventually

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When it's not a Sunday night

vague igloo Mar 5, 2018, 1:51 AM

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Yeah it is

meager warren Mar 5, 2018, 1:51 AM

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i didn't know Wowhead staff took time off on sundays but not every other day of the week

vague igloo Mar 5, 2018, 1:52 AM

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I would like to see Hozen and Jinyu updated model as alllied races, they don't have the Ogre and Vrykul they are too big excuse

tulip sun Mar 5, 2018, 1:52 AM

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Ok, you guys saying that makes me feel good

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 1:52 AM

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The excuse of Ogre and Vrykul is that their models dont fit the player animations.

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not that theyre to big

tulip sun Mar 5, 2018, 1:52 AM

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If it ends up being fake though....might just for. Cause seeing npc races like this is great

vague igloo Mar 5, 2018, 1:52 AM

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They dont fit in some doors

meager warren Mar 5, 2018, 1:52 AM

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*Solution: Make new racial animations

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 1:53 AM

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Solution* Don't make them allied races and instead give them full racial privileges because allied races aren't meant for such complex stuff like a rework for all their models to make player armor fit them

vague igloo Mar 5, 2018, 1:54 AM

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Imo stop doing races, its easier to introduce them this way

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Heck some years ago before we got goblins and worgen I was asking fir mercenary races

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 1:54 AM

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It really isn't

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and if you think it is

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you missed hte point of Allied races

meager warren Mar 5, 2018, 1:55 AM

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i think the only reason they're called "Allied" races is because they're allied in some way, or they're going to be allied in some way, with existing player races

uncut vault Mar 5, 2018, 2:00 AM

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I mean, the hozen pic is weird, cause its the only one so far not wearing the kor'kron armor

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 2:01 AM

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Are hozen even capable of wearing player armor?

meager warren Mar 5, 2018, 2:02 AM

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that looks as close to Kor'kron armor as Hozen are probably comfortable wearing

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 2:03 AM

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Where was that original Screen cap showing off the Pandaren Kor'kron and junk

uncut vault Mar 5, 2018, 2:10 AM

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https://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2018/february/Zuldazar15.jpg

meager warren Mar 5, 2018, 2:12 AM

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why is there a night elf in that image

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http://prntscr.com/imwxlb

Lightshot

Screenshot

Captured with Lightshot

uncut vault Mar 5, 2018, 2:13 AM

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nightborne

meager warren Mar 5, 2018, 2:13 AM

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that looks more nelf than shelf

rich apex Mar 5, 2018, 2:14 AM

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Shelf hairdo

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As much as I would love to see an actual defection story and game mechanic

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It probably ain't happening

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After all, why would anyone want to leave the perfect Alliance?

uncut vault Mar 5, 2018, 2:15 AM

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I mean, its pretty distinct, for elves

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has earrings, upturnt ears, white bun

rich apex Mar 5, 2018, 2:17 AM

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It's definitely a shelf

meager warren Mar 5, 2018, 2:18 AM

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Neither the Alliance nor the Horde is perfect

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if you mean perfectly flat tho, ur right.

uncut vault Mar 5, 2018, 2:19 AM

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https://gyazo.com/904174bdde90e16549f0f416da7d3f4e

Gyazo

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https://gyazo.com/68c7e3cfc5c6581ea7452db7aa2a4b2d

Gyazo

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bout as different as belf to nelf

meager warren Mar 5, 2018, 2:20 AM

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i mean, shelf is basically just an updated nelf model.
with different colored skin

steel venture Mar 5, 2018, 2:24 AM

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still more distinct than high elves are when compared to belves

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

tulip sun Mar 5, 2018, 3:08 AM

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The armor being different mmay mean its fake 😦

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I don't know if it is real or not xD

steel venture Mar 5, 2018, 4:56 AM

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oh

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hozen cant actually uh

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wear kor'kron armor

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thats why its different

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the hozen kor'kron is wearing what is closest TOO a korkron set

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but its just a geoset

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from MoP

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https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/PS_xMm-UUK4TVucNkNwxFkWEAUuskusMs2ykPiWRqDQ/https/cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/374919039845269504/419743210940923906/WoWScrnShot_030418_002920.jpg?width=716&height=403

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see? its the red version of the hozen warriors

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both hozen and jinyu literally can only use player weapons

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not armor

tulip sun Mar 5, 2018, 5:09 AM

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That makes me feel good

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so it is real, but is forced to use something different

steel venture Mar 5, 2018, 5:19 AM

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Mhm.

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There's no way to use korkron stuff on 'em outside of just the weapon

uncut vault Mar 5, 2018, 7:34 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/419964105940795404/420013261132660748/VulpSleepFront25.gif

vast roost Mar 5, 2018, 7:42 AM

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FeelsHyperBanMan

sudden oak Mar 5, 2018, 8:05 AM

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ok thats cute af

vast roost Mar 5, 2018, 8:08 AM

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Exterminate HYPERL

mint arch Mar 5, 2018, 8:24 AM

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cute vs anti-furry.... ugh, which side do i go to

vast roost Mar 5, 2018, 8:29 AM

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Make the right choice.

mint arch Mar 5, 2018, 8:35 AM

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alright

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A N I M E

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/runs to the weeb side

vast roost Mar 5, 2018, 8:39 AM

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Angery

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 8:45 AM

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All weebs will be cleansed in the coming fire of the Sneeple crusade.

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 11:54 AM

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So there will be a Bruto mount.

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I can safely assume now that every other expac will be rewarding us a three person mount as the pattern continues

vast roost Mar 5, 2018, 11:57 AM

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I am ok with this.

north wraith Mar 5, 2018, 1:51 PM

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Lol that animation looks like it could be used for something lewd

mint arch Mar 5, 2018, 2:00 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/v2TN5Zb.jpg

Imgur

vast roost Mar 5, 2018, 2:04 PM

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Stop it

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Get some help

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 2:07 PM

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https://youtu.be/9Deg7VrpHbM

YouTube

Violet Dirge

Stop it. Get some help.

Template for putting down groups such as: -furries -bronies -rednecks -weeaboos -and many more Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdstMCqTJw8

▶ Play video

mint arch Mar 5, 2018, 2:07 PM

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once a weeb, forever a weeb :(

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all i can do now is tempt Vris to reveal the weebism inside and join us

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 2:08 PM

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I kill Weebs in For Honor lol

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 2:08 PM

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I slaughter weebs in HOTS

willow frost Mar 5, 2018, 2:40 PM

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li li Stormstout is the most focus-requiring healer in the game

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obviously

heavy cairn Mar 5, 2018, 3:27 PM

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I'm happy that hozen have been spotted in the kor'kron, but I don't think that implies they will be playable. I don't know if this was discussed earlier, but I couldn't see it when I scrolled up: hozen only like like 20 years, meaning some new soldiers will be ready to go (to be playable), but in a few expansions they will be too old, which is what makes it hard for me to believe they will be playable.

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of course, retcons could happen, but I like speculating off of info we have

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https://wow.gamepedia.com/Hozen_Maturity

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 3:31 PM

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Uh

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Firstly an expansion only lasts an ingame year

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 3:32 PM

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More or less.

heavy cairn Mar 5, 2018, 3:32 PM

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Alright, so 5 expansions rather than "a few"

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 3:32 PM

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So a boxes if they only live 20 years could survive 10 expacs in lore

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Hozen

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Why would it be 5 years?

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 3:32 PM

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Assuming they dont get themselves killed.

heavy cairn Mar 5, 2018, 3:32 PM

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they could survive that long, but would they be in the same fighting shape as they would be at, say, 10? no, they would be deteriorating

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 3:33 PM

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Uh

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 3:33 PM

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I imagine it like Goblins in DnD. They just live short lifespans because of how little they care for self preservation.

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 3:33 PM

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You are basing your reasoning on a single scroll that literally only says they don’t live very long

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It doesn’t say when they reach physical maturity

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 3:33 PM

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So we just never see any hozen live past tjat threshold om average. Exception is the Monkey King.

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 3:33 PM

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Also, whose to say hozen can’t end up like the monkey king

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He’s been around over 10k years

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 3:34 PM

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Like I said with my D&D goblin example.

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 3:34 PM

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👍

heavy cairn Mar 5, 2018, 3:34 PM

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https://wow.gamepedia.com/Quest:Hozen_in_the_Mist
well "their leaders are all 14 or 15", so I suppose 5 years isn't "too old" after 10

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 3:35 PM

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Again, that doesn’t change what we said

heavy cairn Mar 5, 2018, 3:35 PM

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so fine, they could survive 7 or so expansions, and we've only had 6 expansions so far

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 3:35 PM

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Also, there’s plenty of other reasons hozen won’t happen

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age is the least useful choice

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How about they don’t have anywhere near enough animations, their skeleton doesn’t allow them to use most weapons or ride mounts, and they have almost no customization ingame currently

heavy cairn Mar 5, 2018, 3:36 PM

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well, ignoring the fact that blizzard isn't going to make a new skeleton for an allied race, some of those things haven't stopped them before

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look at nightborne

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the playable ones are totally different from the NPCs

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 3:37 PM

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Yeah

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But they are elves

heavy cairn Mar 5, 2018, 3:37 PM

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but I agree that in this case there are too many things. elves are easier

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 3:37 PM

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They aren’t monkey people

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It’s a bad example

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Hozen use their hands as legs

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 3:37 PM

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Kinda because Nighrborne original models didnt have player models.

Hozen are actual monkeys though.

heavy cairn Mar 5, 2018, 3:37 PM

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the animations would be a mess

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 3:37 PM

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They are essentially quadrupeds - there is no race that has anything similar

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It’s why all the hozen use either melee or staff melee attacks

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They have built in animations made for their skeletons

heavy cairn Mar 5, 2018, 3:38 PM

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I doubt blizzard would be able to get them to the same "quality" as other races, even though many have clipping issues anyway

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I think walking on four legs would cause even more

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 3:39 PM

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Nightborne still have tons of issues

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 3:39 PM

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^

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 3:39 PM

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I would rather they fix those

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 3:39 PM

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Its pretty clear that the four we have were rushed.

languid yoke Mar 5, 2018, 3:39 PM

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they'll fix them as soon as the female worgen get fixed

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:^)

heavy cairn Mar 5, 2018, 3:39 PM

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yes, it is clear. only 3 skin colors for nightborne, and (mostly) a bunch of shades of white hair?

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 3:39 PM

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Theyre getting fixed in BFA tho.

languid yoke Mar 5, 2018, 3:39 PM

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3 skin colors for highmountain is ridiculously few too

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 3:40 PM

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Yeah a lot of the customization options are back on the alpha

heavy cairn Mar 5, 2018, 3:40 PM

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zandalaris are getting a lot more options IIRC
same with draenor orcs, dark irons

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 3:40 PM

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They were clearly meant for BfA and released early to fill the gap

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 3:40 PM

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^

heavy cairn Mar 5, 2018, 3:40 PM

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ah, so blizzard did it to make money on appearance changes later on... /s

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 3:41 PM

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No? You can do most visual changes in game

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Barber shops still exist.

heavy cairn Mar 5, 2018, 3:41 PM

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not skin color, and that's one of the main things that's lacking atm

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 3:41 PM

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Only if you really care about skin color that much I guess. 🤷

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Could just be patient and wait for BFA like I am.

heavy cairn Mar 5, 2018, 3:42 PM

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I don't care about skin color too much but it could influence what transmogs I want to use

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I'd rather pick one that gives me more options

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 3:42 PM

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I just want Zandalari to be playable already T_T

steel venture Mar 5, 2018, 3:43 PM

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you can actually do skin color on allied races

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weirdly enough

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 3:43 PM

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The secret I have for transmog is that colors dont have to match to look good.

heavy cairn Mar 5, 2018, 3:43 PM

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wait, you can change skin color in the barber shop for allieds?

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 3:43 PM

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yes

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For allied races

heavy cairn Mar 5, 2018, 3:43 PM

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ha

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well thanks for the info

steel venture Mar 5, 2018, 3:43 PM

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nightborne, lightforged, void elves and highmountian all have that option yep

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 3:43 PM

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They clearly left it in because they knew they weren’t finished

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 3:43 PM

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I think you can for the regular tauren too, can't you?

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 3:43 PM

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Yeah

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But Tauren have fur

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Same for worgen

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 3:43 PM

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Im fairly certain for pandaren as well

steel venture Mar 5, 2018, 3:43 PM

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so races that can skintone change:

all current allied races
pandaren
tauren
worgen

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 3:43 PM

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Basically any race introduced post-BC can lol

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 3:44 PM

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^

heavy cairn Mar 5, 2018, 3:44 PM

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goblins as well?

steel venture Mar 5, 2018, 3:44 PM

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no. goblins can't.

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 3:44 PM

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Never played one

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 3:44 PM

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So itd be just all the furry races

heavy cairn Mar 5, 2018, 3:44 PM

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furry races and unfinished races. got it

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 3:44 PM

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Confirmed: void elves and lightforged are furries

heavy cairn Mar 5, 2018, 3:44 PM

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and nightborne

steel venture Mar 5, 2018, 3:44 PM

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i mean

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lightforged are goats.

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 3:45 PM

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They do technically have fur on their legs

steel venture Mar 5, 2018, 3:45 PM

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space goat 2.0, light-mode

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 3:45 PM

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Though blizzard keeps ommiting it.

steel venture Mar 5, 2018, 3:45 PM

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...actually trolls also have fur that keeps getting omitted too

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 3:45 PM

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I wish the draeni models looked more like some of the concept art

steel venture Mar 5, 2018, 3:45 PM

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jungle trolls are supposed to be covered in fur.

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 3:45 PM

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Same Benj

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Which is odd because Zuljin in HOTS doesnt have a lick of fur. Its all skin.

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 3:46 PM

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Lore changed?

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 3:46 PM

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http://www.scrollsoflore.com/gallery/albums/wowbc_art/098.jpg

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 3:46 PM

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They probably decided against it at some point

steel venture Mar 5, 2018, 3:46 PM

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nope. they have fur.

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was most recently mentioned during Vol'jin's novel

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 3:46 PM

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Theres been no notable change saying otherwise.

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 3:46 PM

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Also, have you looked at lightforged? They fulfill that visual pretty well

steel venture Mar 5, 2018, 3:47 PM

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that his hair and "hackles" stood on end in one scene

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 3:47 PM

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They have the floaty mark

steel venture Mar 5, 2018, 3:47 PM

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distinctly stating that the hair and fur are separate

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 3:47 PM

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And yea benj, I do wish the Draenei looked more like Tieflings

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 3:47 PM

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They have the fancy armor

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Hackles can also be like a mane btw

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Which trolls do have

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 3:48 PM

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I mean, what i want is more the full cloak that splits around the tail as opposed to curving in mid air

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And that tail

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 3:48 PM

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They have that hair down their neck

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 3:48 PM

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And not the weird, ridged thing we get

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 3:48 PM

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Yea more like tieflings.

steel venture Mar 5, 2018, 3:48 PM

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... hackles go down the entier back

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not just the neck

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 3:48 PM

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Also: http://media.blizzard.com/wow/media/fanart/fanart-0331-full.jpg

steel venture Mar 5, 2018, 3:48 PM

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if you've ever seen a cat or dog freak out, the entire line down their back stands on end

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 3:49 PM

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Properly proportioned ones that don't look like Blueberry Rich Piana

steel venture Mar 5, 2018, 3:49 PM

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its the line of fur that makes up the cape of fur around the neck and shoulders, then continues to make a straight line down the back in animals.

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 3:49 PM

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Yea. More like tieflings.

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 3:49 PM

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Yep

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I did see you mention that earlier, Vris, I just wanted to finish first lol

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 3:50 PM

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Except it exists in horses

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 3:50 PM

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Though I do see the lawsuit. Cuz ya know. Neverwinter is still a thing.

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 3:50 PM

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So a hackle can also mean a mane

zinc sandal Mar 5, 2018, 3:50 PM

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Who are we suing now?

steel venture Mar 5, 2018, 3:51 PM

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tbh though
trolls do have fur.
like, this is 100% canon and hasn't been retconned.

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 3:51 PM

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My guess is the way it was used was meant to be similar to the hairs on your neck standing on end

steel venture Mar 5, 2018, 3:51 PM

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the model doesn't represent it properly.

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 3:51 PM

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Blizzard for copying Tieflings had they used the concept art more faithfully

steel venture Mar 5, 2018, 3:51 PM

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velen's supposed to have alablaster skin and yet he's dark violet in game.

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 3:51 PM

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There is also this

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raise one's hackles,to arouse one's anger: Such officiousness always raises my hackles.

zinc sandal Mar 5, 2018, 3:52 PM

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Oh shit, tieflings look just like Draenei

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 3:52 PM

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Ye.

zinc sandal Mar 5, 2018, 3:52 PM

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Smh.

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 3:52 PM

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Their concept art is literally slightly altered tieflings

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 3:52 PM

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Basically yeah

steel venture Mar 5, 2018, 3:52 PM

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https://wow.gamepedia.com/Troll_Compendium/Jungle_Trolls

Wowpedia

Jungle Trolls

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 3:52 PM

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Tieflings definitely came first though lol

steel venture Mar 5, 2018, 3:52 PM

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the fur mention is here.

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 3:52 PM

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And I prefer the Draenei look to be honest, but thats cause I like Paladin stuff

zinc sandal Mar 5, 2018, 3:52 PM

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Tieflings are also proportionate instead of walking fridges. Me likey.

steel venture Mar 5, 2018, 3:52 PM

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and it has never not been canon. vol'jin's novel makes direct reference to fur

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 3:53 PM

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And I like their russian accents

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 3:53 PM

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100%. Hence why I can see why they look so radically different in game to concept art

zinc sandal Mar 5, 2018, 3:53 PM

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We get it, Xan, you're a furry

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Now burn, you weeb. 🔥

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 3:53 PM

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Also there is no distinct ethnicity for their accents. The voice actors admit to using everything from russian to Arabic to anything inbetween.

zinc sandal Mar 5, 2018, 3:54 PM

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Draenei?

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 3:54 PM

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Yup

zinc sandal Mar 5, 2018, 3:54 PM

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Never heard a Draenei sound like a Middle Eastern

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 3:54 PM

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They sound Russian

zinc sandal Mar 5, 2018, 3:54 PM

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Yeh

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 3:55 PM

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Its their accent in general. Its a bit of all those accents but together.

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 3:55 PM

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It’s supposed to sound foreign

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Which it does

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They are aliens

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They should sound foreign

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 3:55 PM

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Orcs sisnt

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Didnt*

zinc sandal Mar 5, 2018, 3:55 PM

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Mhm. Their accent is also reflected in their language.

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As in, you can see where the accent comes from.

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 3:57 PM

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The Draenic definitely borrows from both Jordanian and Slavic though, even their language uses words very similar to old Slavic

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Was one of the first things I noticed when they came out, and why I liked them so much

zinc sandal Mar 5, 2018, 3:58 PM

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That's cool. Good job, Blizzard.

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You kinda stole somebody else's concept but at least you made it yours.

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 3:59 PM

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Oh dude

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Blizzard has been a kleptomaniac for decades

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Technically their only somewhat original franchise is Diablo

zinc sandal Mar 5, 2018, 3:59 PM

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XD

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:00 PM

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Warcraft was initially supposed to be a Warhammer Fantasy game, but Mythic/Games Workshops pulled the license last minute because Blizz decided to take too many liberties with the lore

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So Blizz had a game that was 97% complete and no license to use any of it

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So, they changed just enough to avoid copyright lawsuits

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Starcraft is almost a direct ripoff of Warhammer 40k. Protoss = Elves, Teran = Space Marines, Zurg = Tyrannids

zinc sandal Mar 5, 2018, 4:01 PM

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Listen, the fact that they've been more successful than the games they stole from tells you something.

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:01 PM

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Oh no doubt, Blizzard has done 10x better than just about any Warhammer game in existence

mint arch Mar 5, 2018, 4:02 PM

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i dunno, there have been some amazing warhammer games

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:02 PM

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Not denying that by any means. They have a fantastic marketing staff, and they've been highly proficient at taking concepts from one game and improving on it

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 4:02 PM

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Diablo is half based on demons from pagan and biblical lore though

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:02 PM

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Voidox, I agree but none of them have had 1/10th the success of WoW

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 4:02 PM

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Nothing wrong with taking something and using it to your advantage though

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:02 PM

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Peach, nothing in Diablo is based on anything in the Bible lol

mint arch Mar 5, 2018, 4:02 PM

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well, tbf, wow was an anomaly of a game, there's never been a game like it :o

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:03 PM

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demons and hell is about where that ends lol

zinc sandal Mar 5, 2018, 4:03 PM

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They've tried, Voidox, but failed

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:03 PM

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There's been a million games like WoW lol most MMOs have tried to copy WoW in one way or another and failed miserably

zinc sandal Mar 5, 2018, 4:03 PM

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coughWildstarcough

mint arch Mar 5, 2018, 4:03 PM

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ya thats what i meant

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:03 PM

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Oh Wildstar

mint arch Mar 5, 2018, 4:03 PM

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tried, but failed

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:03 PM

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Good potential, weird execution

mint arch Mar 5, 2018, 4:03 PM

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bad launch

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:03 PM

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I miss City of Heroes >_<

mint arch Mar 5, 2018, 4:03 PM

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ruins many a MMO

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:04 PM

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The only game to compete with WoW for 8 years running

zinc sandal Mar 5, 2018, 4:04 PM

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Wildstar is the "I'm pissed at Blizz for firing me" game

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As Benju said: great concept, poor execution

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:04 PM

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I was interested in Wildstar until I saw it... and then I tried playing it and it was okay, but... Yeha, not worth dedicating to

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It's a game I get on for like an hour and then go "oh yeah, that's why I stopped playing this"

zinc sandal Mar 5, 2018, 4:05 PM

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I really, really liked Wildstar. I stopped playing because the RP community became very toxic.

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Furries took over and ruined everything. Not even kidding.

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:06 PM

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Oh I know

mint arch Mar 5, 2018, 4:06 PM

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i liked wildstar as well, but not at launch

zinc sandal Mar 5, 2018, 4:06 PM

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Launch was a disaster

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It was also P2P for a while

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:07 PM

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Same with ESO

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I also love Neverwinter

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I just wish it wasn't so p2w

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 4:07 PM

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Eh. Ive found Neverwinter to be meh.

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:07 PM

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I like the layout of it, and I like that it transfers to ps4 well

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But their content updates suck and often end up being even grindier than the last, and it's so p2w

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And they never add new races or classes

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And since their class system is so restrictive it makes it meh

zinc sandal Mar 5, 2018, 4:08 PM

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heheh class restrictions

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TERA. That's all I have to say.

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:09 PM

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Tera is also very restrictive, but at least it's fun

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And not p2w

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 4:09 PM

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Dark souls. That is all on class restrictions

zinc sandal Mar 5, 2018, 4:09 PM

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TERA has an amazing combat system.

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:09 PM

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Yiss

mint arch Mar 5, 2018, 4:09 PM

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if someone brings up BDO as a good MMO, we gonna fite

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:09 PM

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I've only been playing it for about 2 weeks

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 4:09 PM

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Shame its locked behind the loli wall

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:09 PM

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But I LOVE my Slayer

zinc sandal Mar 5, 2018, 4:09 PM

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Yeeeeah

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TERA=Loli
Wildstar=Furry

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 4:09 PM

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BDO is a great MMO if you can do the grind and like PVP.

mint arch Mar 5, 2018, 4:10 PM

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REEEEE

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:10 PM

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BDO was fun for about 5 hours until you realize there's no end game, no dungeons, and all you do is grind grind grind grind grind

mint arch Mar 5, 2018, 4:10 PM

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G R I N D

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 4:10 PM

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Yea its all about PVP.

mint arch Mar 5, 2018, 4:10 PM

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ppl grind to be able to grind more so that they can grind

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 4:10 PM

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BDO is just a PVPers dream.

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:10 PM

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Which is sad, cause I was genuinely interested in the story lol

mint arch Mar 5, 2018, 4:10 PM

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korean MMOs are just w/e at this point

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i cba with em

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:11 PM

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pretty much

zinc sandal Mar 5, 2018, 4:11 PM

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Conclusion: a game that can rival WoW has yet to come out.

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:12 PM

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Well, one did rival WoW for a while

zinc sandal Mar 5, 2018, 4:12 PM

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For a while. What happened then?

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 4:12 PM

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Rift

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:12 PM

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City of Heroes, may it rest in peace, rivaled WoW for years as a steady, sub-based game

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But then NCSoft just closed it

zinc sandal Mar 5, 2018, 4:12 PM

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Ew Rift

mint arch Mar 5, 2018, 4:12 PM

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no game can ever come out now to rival WOW, that time has passed

zinc sandal Mar 5, 2018, 4:12 PM

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Ew NCSoft

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EW

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:12 PM

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Gave no reason, gave no rhyme, just said "we're done"

mint arch Mar 5, 2018, 4:13 PM

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fck ncsoft

zinc sandal Mar 5, 2018, 4:13 PM

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^

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:13 PM

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Despite having something like 9million active subscribers

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Who also raised over $750,000 to try and buy the rights to the game to keep it around

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It's been a little over 7 years since that game shut down adn I'm still salty as fuck about it

zinc sandal Mar 5, 2018, 4:14 PM

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Sounds like somebody pissed off the boss

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:14 PM

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People think there was a sex-scandal or something going on and they had to

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Similar to the close of Marvel Heroes ONline

zinc sandal Mar 5, 2018, 4:14 PM

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That's nuts

mint arch Mar 5, 2018, 4:14 PM

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-_-

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:15 PM

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Nothing confirmed though. The shitty thing is NCSoft WILL NOT sell the rights to the game or release the source code for private servers

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And they tried to bring out two NPCs from CoH to a game/moba they made called MxM

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Not sure if it was supposed to be a tribute or not, but the entire CoH-refugee community was pissed off

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 4:15 PM

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I think there is a game that could rival WoW as an MMO.

zinc sandal Mar 5, 2018, 4:15 PM

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Don't say Rift.

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 4:15 PM

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Warframe.

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:16 PM

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Ugh Rift. Another game with high potential and awful execution

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Warframe? The most p2w game in existence?

zinc sandal Mar 5, 2018, 4:16 PM

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Didn't Warframe shut down long ago?

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:16 PM

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Nope, it's still going

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 4:16 PM

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Its hardly pay to win m8

mint arch Mar 5, 2018, 4:16 PM

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warhammer online ;____;

zinc sandal Mar 5, 2018, 4:16 PM

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Is it? Where?

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:16 PM

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It was in "active beta" for like 5 years thoguh

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Age of Reckoning was good, but it suffered to lack of content

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 4:16 PM

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Xbox, PC, Ps4

mint arch Mar 5, 2018, 4:16 PM

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warframe is going strong

zinc sandal Mar 5, 2018, 4:17 PM

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Where can I get Warframe? Gimme

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 4:17 PM

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Warframe.com

mint arch Mar 5, 2018, 4:17 PM

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steam

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:17 PM

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PSN

mint arch Mar 5, 2018, 4:17 PM

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its up there on current players

zinc sandal Mar 5, 2018, 4:17 PM

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Ew Steam no

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 4:17 PM

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Xbox one

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You can get it steam free iirc

zinc sandal Mar 5, 2018, 4:17 PM

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I hate Steam

mint arch Mar 5, 2018, 4:18 PM

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@leaden garden ya, warhammer was let down due to content and being rushed

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though i did used to play Return of Reckoning

zinc sandal Mar 5, 2018, 4:19 PM

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Let's not advertise private servers here

mint arch Mar 5, 2018, 4:20 PM

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well, official game is long dead

heavy cairn Mar 5, 2018, 4:21 PM

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doesn't make it any more legal

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:22 PM

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I don't think PS are illegal?

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I tried RoR, and I recall not enjoying it too much

zinc sandal Mar 5, 2018, 4:22 PM

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They are

mint arch Mar 5, 2018, 4:22 PM

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if the game is currently running/live, then no question

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dunno bout dead games

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@leaden garden ya, the GM's have shown to be assholes

heavy cairn Mar 5, 2018, 4:23 PM

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they generally are. most games have a license that does not allow you to modify the client in any way

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dead or not, you are still using that client under the license (thus breaking it) or you get it from the server provider, in which case they broke the license

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 4:23 PM

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You personally wont be prosecuted but the server itself is illegal. Like pirate radio stations.

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:24 PM

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Gotcha

silent fossil Mar 5, 2018, 4:24 PM

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when it will be? close beta

heavy cairn Mar 5, 2018, 4:24 PM

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unknown

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 4:24 PM

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No one knows

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Best answer is "it'll happen when it happens"

heavy cairn Mar 5, 2018, 4:24 PM

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alpha is still in relatively early stages, I think

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:24 PM

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Sometime in the next few months, I'd imagine

#

A lot of Alpha content is still in the works though

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 4:25 PM

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Could be tomorrow, could be august.

heavy cairn Mar 5, 2018, 4:25 PM

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still no islands, still no warfronts, still no voldune or stormsong valley, still no zandalari or dark irons, etc.

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I guess not all of those are required to be in, but I'd expect at least all of the zones would be in before beta (I've only participated in legion beta, so idk, but all the zones were there)

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 4:26 PM

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Betas are generally stress testors.

heavy cairn Mar 5, 2018, 4:26 PM

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yes, which is why I was thinking more features would need to be there

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 4:26 PM

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I was apart of WoDs first beta wave, most of it was in working order except garrisons.

heavy cairn Mar 5, 2018, 4:27 PM

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I was part of legion's first beta wave, tbh I don't remember too much of what was working and what wasn't, but it seemed pretty much finished (minus cinematics and music)

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but I was unable to level to 110 without using a premade character, despite doing every story I got to 108 IIRC

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 4:27 PM

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Sounds about right.

heavy cairn Mar 5, 2018, 4:28 PM

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I think parts of the class campaigns were not fully balanced

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I remember I was trying out a druid and there was this one part that really sucked (hard-hitting boss mob, interruptable spell that hurt despite no quick interrupt on boomy)

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:29 PM

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All I know is I'm gonna be maining a warrior this xpac, and for the first time in this game, may not be even touching my paladin

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 4:30 PM

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I got in mid beta and I remember when they opened highmountain

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They changed half the story for that zone

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 4:30 PM

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Yup

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 4:30 PM

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And it greatly upsets me

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I liked the story before

heavy cairn Mar 5, 2018, 4:30 PM

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interesting. I thought i remembered doing highmountain in the first beta wave

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 4:30 PM

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It required more lore knowledge

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And so they made that comic

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And then made it so you showed up after dargrul already had the hammer

#

Before you showed up right when he got t

heavy cairn Mar 5, 2018, 4:31 PM

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ohhhhh

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I remember that

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yeaaaa

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I totally forgot

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 4:31 PM

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And went there to recruit the highmountain to help fight the legion

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And then he destroyed that village that he doesn’t destroy until later now

heavy cairn Mar 5, 2018, 4:31 PM

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he walked right up to the center of that drum and took it

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hehe

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 4:32 PM

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And you landed out at the sylvan falls instead of in the town

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I really liked that version

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I don’t dislike what we have

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But I thought that version was different from the traditional questing experience

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You were there while it was unfolding instead of cleaning up after

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 4:32 PM

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Prolly why it got changed.

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 4:33 PM

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Yep

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:33 PM

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You know Blizz, can't have too much fuin

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 4:33 PM

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And again it required more lore knowledge

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They didn’t have the highmountain back to the war of the ancients scenario

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 4:33 PM

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I get we meme that blizz hates fun, but they have made questing fun again.

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 4:33 PM

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And ebonhorn didn’t sxist

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So they rewrote the story to explain the backstory of huln, and introduce ebonhorn

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:34 PM

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Eh... depends on what you like. If you enjoy leveling, then yeah I'm sure you're right, Vris

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 4:34 PM

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I enjoy leveling, raiding, basically anything but pvp

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:34 PM

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I thought Ebonhorn was cool

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 4:34 PM

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Again

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:34 PM

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Yeah I hate leveling. With a passionl ol

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 4:34 PM

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I’m not saying I dislike the changes

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:34 PM

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lol*

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 4:34 PM

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I love highmountain

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:34 PM

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I hear ya, Peach

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 4:35 PM

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It’s one of my favorite zones

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 4:35 PM

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I didnt like ebonhorn becausr it just lile. Further invalidated everything we had to do to get Wrathion.

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 4:35 PM

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But I really liked how different the story was before

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Even if it was much more linear and required more background knowledge

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Honestly it’s why I’m excited for zandalar

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They seem to be explaining necessary lore as you go

heavy cairn Mar 5, 2018, 4:35 PM

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I don't really find questing fun anymore--at least mobs before and after draenor have reasonable story, but I honestly preferred repeating dungeons to repeating quests because less walking for same/more XP

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 4:36 PM

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I hate dungeon grinding

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:36 PM

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I wish they would've left the xp/heirloom shit alone

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 4:36 PM

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You know it took me 3 days 17 hours played to get my lightforged to 110, but I only ran 2 dungeons

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:36 PM

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People that enjoy leveling can quest

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 4:36 PM

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I did a lot of questing

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They can’t do that though

hollow dock Mar 5, 2018, 4:36 PM

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If I were aiming solely for getting to max and didnt care abiyt stiry, Id say the same thing.

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:36 PM

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People that hate it can dungeon and speed to level cap

dense plover Mar 5, 2018, 4:36 PM

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Because then the people who like leveling are getting shat on

leaden garden Mar 5, 2018, 4:36 PM

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Not really