actually , now that you mentioned it
#beta-ptr-spoilers
compact merlin
how will the "transmog" for new forms for druids work?
something like a spell tome you buy maybe?
leaden garden
Possible. Personally I've always thought Druids should get an option, via glyphs or transmog, to choose their forms
uncut vault
I’m just hoping they’re also account wide.
leaden garden
Like what if I'm a Tauren and I wanna eat shit as a Basilisk? Why can't I?
compact merlin
we can hope that they will give old races new druid forms
terse patrol
Here’s hoping Alliance gets something as cool as the Zandalari druid forms
compact merlin
furries
leaden garden
Hopefully
compact merlin
jk plz dont
leaden garden
I think they at least ought to update the forms a little bit
hollow dock
@uncut vault all the artifact mogs are accountwide. That includes druid skins.
compact merlin
that sound they do when receive any damage sounds like you just kicked a dog
leaden garden
They are?
hollow dock
It sounds horrible to me and makes me feel bad
leaden garden
Cool
hollow dock
Yes. Thats why we wont be attaining the special ones anymore.
leaden garden
I have to imagine they'll come out with some new forms in BfA you cna transmog into or something
languid yoke
giev saberon form
compact merlin
if all worgens looked buff and rough like fictional werewolves
leaden garden
Druids have always kinda gotten the short end of the stick with looks since they're in an animal form 90% of the time
hollow dock
They have to. The druid community is gonna be in an uproar at such drastically different looking druid forms for an allied race.
Which you can argue
Artifact druid forms
But still its not the point
compact merlin
new sick paladin animations for dark iron maybe?
terse patrol
Maybe
leaden garden
Well we know we'll ge tto keep our artifact appearances, which I'm still hoping we get to swap them in specs (IE use Holy artifact skin as a Ret Paladin)
terse patrol
But if they don’t get something on par with the Zandalari, I’ll be bummed out
strange falcon
vris the hole in that argument
terse patrol
Zandalari have their own shaman totems too
strange falcon
is that there are no moonking artifact forms
strange falcon
only the weapon changes
leaden garden
Why are they so lazy when it comes to moonkin?
Like I said, Druid has never really appealed to me so I don't care a whole lot, but it still seems kind a shitty
strange falcon
how has it never appealed to you
it's master class
it's the only class able to have mythic guild made only of druids
it's that op
terse patrol
Druids can be basically any role.
leaden garden
Cause 1) druid hippies 2) leather 3) animal transformations 3) the races up until Cata when Trolls were added
terse patrol
Healers, DPS, Tanks.
leaden garden
I like plate and I like 2handers and I like Paladin
compact merlin
instant mount up
leaden garden
I play a Paladin in D&D, and I've played one in WoW for over 10 years lol
strange falcon
u get ranged dps,melee,healers tanks
leaden garden
I hate ranged
strange falcon
besides that
leaden garden
Never liked it, even in D&D
leaden garden
Yep, and none of the leather mogs fit the aesthetics I enjoy
Nothing about the Druid clicks with me lol
strange falcon
so you want to be a goody 2 shoes paladin huh
leaden garden
LOL
leaden garden
"Goody 2shoes"
You've clearly never seen a Paladin properly roleplayed
Lawful Good =/= Lawful Nice
strange falcon
wasnt talking D&D LUL
leaden garden
Neither was I
leaden garden
The "Lawful Good" trope stretches to pretty much every lore/genre/Paladin trope
The misconception is that Paladins, because they fall under "lawful good" means they have to be nice, goody 2 shoes people. Look at Bolvar, Julia Celeste, Maraad, UTHER, hell the original Ashbringer Alexandros Morgraine
Hell, as bland of a character as he's been so far, even Turalyon is far from a "goody 2shoes" character lol
Also Fareeya, in Krokuun
Meanwhile druids like taking long, untinerrupted naps that apparently even the Cataclysm didn't stir them. Lookin at you, Narralex.
glad lodge
The misconception is that Paladins, because they fall under "lawful good" means they have to be nice, goody 2 shoes people. Look at Bolvar, Julia Celeste, Maraad, UTHER, hell the original Ashbringer Alexandros Morgraine
Tirion is worth contributing too. He could be pretty harsh sometimes and if you did some quests related to him he certainly wasn't exactly what one would call a pure do-gooder.
hollow dock
Lawful good does not mean ones not an asshole
glad lodge
But it also doesn't mean one's not an asshole either 😛
I'm dumb.
leaden garden
Yep
leaden garden
Was Naralex awake? I didn't quest in the S Barrens after Cata. I remember doing WC after Cata though and thinking "THIS FUCKER IS STILL SLEEPING A DRAGON JUST TORE APART THE WORLD AND YOU'RE STILL DREAMING OF HUMPING TREES?!?!"
hollow dock
Well we awoke him prior and he went back to sleep. Then we wake him up again.
He appears in the druid order hall away again
Awale
SPELLING HARD OK
sharp bluff
Which one attacked Thunderbluff?
rich apex
He wakes up after the WC quest
Shrugs
Goes 'well that didn't work, i'll just try again'
What would a druid know about the moral dilemma of using his magic to forcibly change a natural enviornment
🤔
steel venture
actually the dungeon hasn't been updated since vanilla so
in cata he is supposed to be canonically awake
and he's working in the southern barrens, containing the nightmare
hollow dock
Indeed it was. WC was updated and the storyline as well.
All the old world dungeons got updated as far as know.
leaden garden
...Nothing in WC was updated.
The dungeon is the same as it has been in Vanilla lol
The only thing that's updated is that cow's movement speed
I just did this dungeon yesterday on an alt, it's the same bosses, same Murloc at the end as you try to wake Naralex. same obnoxious escort just a little faster, and same serpentvines to collect lol
strong python
true
balmy heart
I think it is slightly less confusing to navigate than how it used to be, but otherwise it's had the least amount of changes compared to other vanilla dungeons.
hollow dock
It was indeedy updated in Wailing Caverns. They blocked off/removed a lot of the dead ends, streamlined it and made it more linear so that rather than taking 30-40 minutes to complete in Vanilla, it takes about 10-15.
what port linked there is the old version.
https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.net/wowpedia/thumb/6/6c/WorldMap-WailingCaverns.jpg/800px-WorldMap-WailingCaverns.jpg?version=eeb01b8b5df8db6ca706ad4133670de7
this is the new one.
All old world dungeons were revamped/cleaned up/updated in similar fashions. Some are minor like Deadmines while others are more drastic like breaking apart Maraudon.
languid yoke
rip Sunken Temple
steel venture
I believe you all misunderstood me when I said "it wasn't updated."
I meant the STORY WAS NOT UPDATED.
It is still the exact same as it was pre-vanilla, and is supposed to be of the vanilla time era.
uncut vault
Oh, yeah. It got updated to actually add the tauren as a character
instead of a generic dude
zinc sandal
Wailing Caverns look like a penis
leaden garden
Seems appropriate, Messlet xD
leaden garden
xD
zinc sandal
XD
vast roost
I completely forgot that updated Worgen models are a thing that's coming at some point.
This post got me thinking.
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/81gxru/am_i_jelly_about_zandalari_dinosaur_druids_yes/
It certainly would be nice if they actually put that amount of effort into them.
uncut vault
Well if they do get updates Id expect forms to update with it
vast roost
I certainly would prefer if every race had more unique druid forms.
Perhaps that's a bit much to ask for though.
sharp bluff
Idk aren’t worgen druids based off night elf teachings?
hollow dock
they originally aren't and there is an argument that some of the Harvest Witches could transform into animals before the Night elves
In which Shum, I thought that they wouldn't do it because then everyone would want the rest of the races to have their distinct druid forms
vast roost
I mean, if they're putting this much effort into Zandalari forms, why not do the same to other druid models? It just kind of puts the other ones to shame 
sharp bluff
So they could somehow write in a lore reason, not the first time lore got changed for worgen lol ( looking at you worgen death knights)
vast roost
Probably won't happen, but one can hope.
zinc sandal
Don’t hope too hard
hollow dock
its not that it was changed, worgen deathknights as added
zinc sandal
Lol
vast roost
The only hope I have is that they'll put equal amounts of effort into Alliance Allied Races.
Because right now it just seems like Alliance is getting the short end of the stick.
unkempt barn
Vrykul for the alliance
hollow dock
Dwarf beards made of fire is a pretty good one. But to be fair, alliance has always gotten the better end of the stick while horde gets the short end
There are no friendly Vrykul left D=
unkempt barn
Thats the solution
vast roost
I mean yeah.
hollow dock
I'm willing to let horde get this one thing over the alliance
vast roost
So far at least.
hollow dock
cuz we get everything else over them
vast roost
I don't necessarily think everything should be balanced, so to speak.
uncut vault
I mean, theyre not trying to gain allies, but the Tideskorn arent enemies
We kinda saved their queen
hollow dock
She told us, as we leave, their people will never ally with us
uncut vault
🤷 not the first time blizz shoehorns things in
vast roost
Void Elves are shoehorned in
hollow dock
Not really? but sorta.
uncut vault
I dont really expect vrykul regardless of them wanting to ally
hollow dock
It's natural progression of the elves thanks to Alleria.
uncut vault
cause kul tiran humans are incredibly similar
vast roost
I mean, they just feel off, personally.
hollow dock
Despite the build up with Alleria?
unkempt barn
The only allied race that can compete with the zandalari trolls are the vrykul
hollow dock
its not even something new that theyve done with the elves. Valeera sucked the shadow magic from a naga and had her eyes temporarily go purple.
Vrykul would never be an allied race
vast roost
Like, you just know they were created solely for the purpose of being an allied race, and I just can't really identify with them tbh.
uncut vault
They were, but I think you can still enjoy them
vast roost
Maybe that's just me, I mean it's neat having Blood Elf models on Alliance I guess, but meh
uncut vault
Im averse to em since theyre delaying high elves more but theyre fun to play, models nice
hollow dock
they could have waited a bit on making them playable so we got to know them at least.
vast roost
Perhaps.
hollow dock
But for me, since this is something the RP community has been doing for a while now, I see it as perfectly fine. :v
vast roost
I just don't really feel like I have any connection to them at all, despite all the Alleria build-up. All of the sudden they're just kind of there
uncut vault
Im still of the belief that they should have been part of Argus
regiment of blood elves that are corrupted during the campaign instead of just
randomly after the threat is done
hollow dock
Or even if they wanted to do it post-Argus
make us know them and understand the faction before theyre playable
vast roost
Yeah, then you'd at least have some of connection with them, even if it's very minor.
hollow dock
Live and Learn - Blizzard HQ
uncut vault
which is why dark irons and void elves should be switched tbh
vast roost
Like with Highmountain Tauren and Nightborne.
strong python
I agree with Porter
strong python
which makes no sense
vast roost
Obviously at this state of the Alpha, it's very apparent that the Horde side of things is more developed as it is right now.
hollow dock
It does to me, IF AND ONLY IF, these Dark Irons left the mainland BEFORE cataclysm
vast roost
I just hope that the Dark Iron get something to match Zandalari.
hollow dock
And also the whole thing of the dark irons enslaving the elements to fight for the black dragons that might also be a pretty big reason
uncut vault
I dont think the playable dark irons ever left the mainland?
hollow dock
theyre at Kul'tiras
uncut vault
we're recruiting the clans still in blackrock that never joined moira
hollow dock
we meet them there. they're already there as far as I'm aware.
hollow dock
even so, if they are the ones that never joined Moira
it makes even more sense why they aren't shamans right now
Enslaving the elementals to do their bidding, never joining the rest of the dwarves to learn shamanism, etc.
Since dwarven shamans come from Wildhammers coming and bringing those teaches to the Bronzebeards and the Bronzebeards slowly leave the Light for the Elements
unkempt barn
A dark iron shaman would be cool as hell
strong python
yeah, they are not originally from kul tiras
hollow dock
I never said they were. I said they were AT kul'tiras when we go to recruit them and that's the last I ever heard of that situation
hollow dock
no.
vast roost
Honestly I'd be happy if Dark Iron just had some unique elements like graphical wise, like animations or something. If we're talking shaman, like unique elementals, totems, a unique ascendance form, something along those lines.
hollow dock
All the elementals look the same though
there's no deviations in them other than sometimes fire ones have armor on them
terse patrol
Give them unique paladin aninations, totems, etc.
hollow dock
for no real reason
hollow dock
What unique animations could exist that wouldn't just make them a full race at that point?
terse patrol
Well, not animations
Particle effects.
Same as the paladin animations, just make then fiery.
vast roost
Something along those lines, yeah.
terse patrol
Tho
vast roost
Give them something that makes them stick out like the Zandalari do with their unique forms.
terse patrol
People think Kul Tirans may be getting druid, so they may get unique models.
vast roost
Other than just being dwarves with darker skin.
hollow dock
Considering
that's all
allied races
are SUPPOSED TO BE
that's probably all theyve done so far
terse patrol
Theres apparently Kul Tiran druids in the Alpha, as in NPCs.
Apparently one shapeshifts.
So, we’ll see I guess.
hollow dock
yes we know. I've kept tellin people that its from Harvest Witches of Gilneas
vast roost
Doesn't the fact that they're putting that much effort into Zandalari forms kind of contradict that Vris? 
terse patrol
Hope they get proper models.
hollow dock
Yes because hte playerbase doesn't give a fuck about what blizz wants or says its supposed to do
if they put enough pressure onto blizz, they'll make Turalyon gay
unkempt barn
Maybe, some naga like animal forms?
terse patrol
why naga
strong python
I still believe DI and Zandalari will get Shaman as possible classes
unkempt barn
I mean, acuatic
vast roost
I mean, did people throw a hissy fit about Zandalari as soon as they were announced as a race? I don't recall that happening.
hollow dock
The zandalari haven't shown any shamanistic traits tho
terse patrol
If anything, they’ll get a unique aquatic form, maybe a raven form.
unkempt barn
They are all about the sea n shit
hollow dock
They threw a hissy fit about dino forms
vast roost
I doubt they were pressured into giving them unique forms, if that's what you're saying.
hollow dock
and have constantly pressured for it
terse patrol
But they’d likely get a mountain lion and bear form.
vast roost
If that's the case, maybe we should pressure them into giving all Allied Races the same treatment.
terse patrol
I’m salty we didnt get High Elves
uncut vault
We will, eventually. Once blizz realizes that void elves didnt satisfy the demand in the slightest
hollow dock
the only nature manipulation is through arcane rangers and its them using arcane to manipulate nature.
unkempt barn
Worgen nifht elfs
uncut vault
just gotta wait a few cycles of allied races to get back to elves
vast roost
Void Elves certainly were a disappointment.
hollow dock
Worgen Night elves or Gilnean Worgen
Do not change the worgen form
they look the same no matter what
hollow dock
they dont
You can see feral worgen, that are night elves, in Val'sharah
the original worgen that go infected Gilneas are Night elven Worgen as well D=
unkempt barn
No
uncut vault
the whole "they use arcane to manipulate nature" argument is dumb. Tauren use the sun to channel the light, they can still be priests. High elves as of Legion have a backstory dealing not just with arcane manipulation, but with a nature based tree that cast the area into eternal spring
if you're using arcane to make nature magic, you're still using nature magic
hollow dock
By using arcane magic
to enhance a tree
that cures its addiction
by growing it on a leyline
uncut vault
Thas'alah wasnt grown by the highborne
hollow dock
Channeling the Sun just makes Light. Sun is Light, heat, Fire. As is Light.
the arcan'dor is what we're talking about right?
uncut vault
it was the oldest tree in the zone, and they connected with it to bathe the area in eternal spring
no, Im talking high elves
hollow dock
If you make arcane grow a tree, that's not nature magic. That is still arcane. It's not by a druids blessing or through channeling a spirit of nature that it changes the season forcibly, it is arcane that is doing that.
uncut vault
Thas'alah was the tree that Thas'dorah came from, used the natural magics within a bough of the tree
hollow dock
When a Tauren priest channels through the Sun, he is still channeling Light.
uncut vault
Thas'alah wasnt grown.
hollow dock
Its like saying if you drink soda through a straw, its soda but if you drink it through a coffee filled filter, its still soda.
uncut vault
All Im saying is, if sun druids count as paladins, and turning into a goddamn turtle counts as a bear
uncut vault
turning into a tree via arcane induced nature magic still counts as turning into a tree
Thats precisely what sunwalkers were :/
hollow dock
Its not a turtle either.
uncut vault
literally formed by a druid and a warrior tauren talking about how night elves skewed towards elune, they should combat it with anshe
the druid taught people how to harness the sun
hollow dock
Concurrently with the war against the Lich King, Brightmane and Sagewind discussed whether the tauren have overlooked a key aspect of balance, noting the night elves' near exclusive worship of the moon, known to the tauren as Mu'sha. Yet both Mu'sha and An'she, the sun, are the eyes of the Earth Mother. The pair concluded that the night elves, through their ties to tauren druids, passed on their cultural prejudice against the sun to their tauren students. To properly revere the Earth Mother they hold sacred, the two decided to strive for balance and further explore the powers of the sun, An'she. Brightmane, a warrior who fought on the Icecrown Glacier, remained hopeful that An'she would shine across the sky, and victory would be won by the mortal races, no matter what perils remained.[5]
The druids actually taught people against Sun worship.
uncut vault
yes, the night elves did, to tauren
and sunwalkers were made to combat that
thats kinda the ENTIRE point lmao
hollow dock
Tahu stopped being a druid and became a Seer to train in the Light
They arent druids. D=
The Sun is just the tauren standin for Light. Just like Loa is for Trolls and Elune is for Nelves.
uncut vault
I mean, its almost like the game doesnt properly show that the different types of light arent all just naaru light. Can try to excuse loa or anshe, but elune definitely isnt the same kind of light.
hollow dock
It isn't, but in our context for class justification which tosses in more gameplay elements that aren't as complex as the lore is as Loa certainly are no where even close to the Naaru's version of the Light they will be treated as such.
uncut vault
half elf half troll allied race?
blood elf with three fingers and toes with tusks
and a hunch because Horde
meager warren
Considering elves are trolls tho, "telf" is kinda redundant
yes, i just roasted myself.
Deal with it
uncut vault
yeah, trelf is better
hollow dock
that is an interesting idea though
what would the half-off spring of a progenitor race and its descendants look like
uncut vault
as much as I dont wish my salt on others
the salt of half elf RPers on seeing a non-human half elf would be
👌
hollow dock
We know the half orc/ogres are essentially just big fatter orcs
uncut vault
they prefer the term thicc
hollow dock
would the same be for the elves? Where they're just slightly lankier than their original selves?
meager warren
it would probably just look slightly more like the the progenitor race and slightly less like the descendant race
uncut vault
might depend on the troll parent
uncut vault
well those two are a lot more similar than other trolls
zandalari seem to have evolved out of the back toe already
hollow dock
Amani Blood elf
uncut vault
so nelf with tusks and less toes
hollow dock
itd be more correct to say that trolls evolved their backtoe because the zandalari were first
uncut vault
have we ever really seen how fel magic affects trolls?
meager warren
"Alright, Gazlowe. I got a new job for you."
"What's up"
"Combine this race with this race"
"They're the same race, wtf"
hollow dock
no we haven't.
meager warren
aren't there fel trolls?
hollow dock
"Yea well, Gazlowe. Ogres and Orcs are the same. So make trolls and elves work."
There aren't to my knowledge.
meager warren
i may be thinking of shadow trolls then
hollow dock
Dark Trolls is what you're thinking of
meager warren
but, i mean.. there are Demon Hunters.
All illidari are descended from trolls
meager warren
no, remember shadow trolls from Draenor?
meager warren
did you play Horde on Draenor?
They're in the Horde Garrison
sharp bluff
you mean Voljiins guard?
hollow dock
Do you mean Shadow Hunters?
meager warren
idk
hollow dock
because that's a class.
sharp bluff
its an old Warcraft unit class
meager warren
then, it *was a class
hollow dock
it's a role of troll society.
meager warren
i hope we get Troll DHs at some point.
There are elf DHs so why not go for broke
meager warren
Elves are just trolls but pretty
hollow dock
Basically. But not only elves can become illidari.
Illidan has only ever recruited and taught elves because its elves he trusts
he's a racist
meager warren
Illidan is probably getting tortured by Sargeras rn so that's irrelevant.
The player character and other npcs aside from Illidan can train other races to become DH
meager warren
plot induced stupidity?
hollow dock
Blizzard would have to make the DH animations properly for all the races they induct, they'd have to change the meta forms (as the current ones are elven in nature) and the starting zone wouldn't make much sense as Illidan is directly sending you into Marduun.
meager warren
Well, they're probably gonna make troll demon-forms at some point, if they haven't already.
So they can just re-use that after it's made and make them DH
hollow dock
its basically the same reasoning that DKs have not been extended past Goblins/Worgen
I dont see why
demons wont be relevant for a very long time
so demonic trolls would be even less relevant
meager warren
Demons will always be relevant.
As long as Sargeras is alive and the other titans refuse to kill him and as long as the element of Fel plagues Azeroth and other planets in its universe, demons will always be relevant
hollow dock
Not to the story
That is what I say when I say 'demons wont be relevant'
the legion is broken, gone.
No leadership to keep them together as Sargeras has been indisposed of
We've gone over this with you present multiple times D=
meager warren
A lot of stuff was broken, gone.
But hey, some of that stuff came back
yes, but i love being a pain in the ass
crystal forum
anyone know if the zandalari troll cat forms have been shown yet? or just the other ones?
hollow dock
no they haven't been shown yet
When they are
#latest-news-old will show it first
before us
crystal forum
alright, sorry >.<
meager warren
why is there a Horde hub in Zandalar?
Does that mean there'll be an Alliance hub in Zandalar too?
meager warren
so much for Zandalar being Horde only then
crystal forum
well i assume that kul tiras will hgave a tiny horde spot too probable
meager warren
rip
sharp bluff
There will be a smaller hub on both sides, I believe they mentioned at 120 you could visit the other side
meager warren
sharp bluff
Honestly I was just hoping that the Highmountain shaman would get a ghost Moose skin
uncut vault
I feel like the only races that could reasonably get DH with the current story are draenei and orcs, so long as they have custom skin options like elf DH's
tulip sun
Lightforged?....
uncut vault
I more mean that theyre the only two races really on Outlands when the demon hunters we play were trained
rich apex
They're not gonna go to the effort of wedging in new hero class races
Especially when having it elf only meant they could add more class only customization
sharp bluff
I’ll pass on DH, but still disappointed in the lack of new DK
Considering the class story
And recruiting troops says we are raising freshly dead
sharp bluff
Nether do I sadly
meager warren
Outland is no longer relevant.
DHs can train new ones between the beginning of Legion to the beginning of whatever the expac it is that new DH races, if that ever happens, are brought to the game
uncut vault
No they cannot
the stuff on alpha isnt finished
Blizz confirmed DKs arent getting allied races
hollow dock
For lore reasons they can be, but gameplay wise they never will be
rich apex
^
sharp bluff
Yep sad days for us DK until WotLK 2
rich apex
Gameplay trumps lore every time
meager warren
i finally have exalted with all 10 of the main Legion reps.
woot
unkempt barn
ftw you want to play nightborne but you dotn have any 110 horde
meager warren
tfw*
sharp bluff
Belf DH takes a day or two and your good
rich apex
BFA boost
tulip sun
Why specifically belf? lol
hollow dock
He's asking why specifically horde
meager warren
don't waste ur bfa boost on a character ur never gonna play
meager warren
zep, i think they know that
dense plover
Woah woah
Flight points and outposts are not a hub
There is no large alliance hub in Zul Dazar
There is a small outpost flight station
dense plover
I didnt
I’m responding to earlier where people said each continent had a hub for the other
That’s wrong
tulip sun
All I heard was that each faction has storylines invading the other continent or something.
dense plover
We don’t know that either
All we know is that you get to go to the other continent at max level for world quests and dungeons
dense plover
How are our supposed to do a mythic plus if you can’t get there?
hollow dock
walk there?...
dense plover
Also, the rangari is from hemet nessingwarys expedition
tulip sun
Showed in playthroughs?
hollow dock
It's still interesting that the Rangari are on Azeroth. Does that elude to the idea that some Alternate Draenei did come with us?
dense plover
Probably going to say yes
tulip sun
I heard that Chronicles confirmed Rangari existed in the MU.
But we have not seen that
dense plover
Because there is a thunderlord guy too
tulip sun
There are Rangari Scouts in the new mission table
dense plover
But he is green skinned, so it’s difficult to say if he is alternate or not as well
tulip sun
He may also have a PH model
misty blaze
i just hope pathfinder to unlock flying wont be so time consuming as wod or legion
tulip sun
They'd rather you explore the land they just created than to fly past it all
hollow dock
by the time it came out most people already had most of it :v
dense plover
Yeah if you play the expac as it is current, legion pathfinder is very easy
misty blaze
i took a break from leveling my allied races gotta get me that pet on d3 only during march can you get it
dense plover
Warlord parhfinder was a pain even when it was current
hollow dock
Yea. Cuz you couldn't grind it up before hand
tulip sun
and I am assuming Hemet is neutral in the war.
hollow dock
it was all at that one current patch
tulip sun
Why would a Rangari be in his party though....
hollow dock
Because the rangari are draenei hunters
Hemet is a hunter extraordinaire
The expedition promises the greatest hunts
Where's the confusion?
tulip sun
or a farstrider
sinful kettle
There's equal representation
sinful kettle
I'm not in the alpha, but I saw him on Nobbel's playthrough- lemme grab a screencap
tulip sun
Can you confirm anything about the Rangari, lol
hollow dock
There are dark rangers and farstriders in the lodge. For all we know, they could have left, been sent there, simply gone with them on their own volition.
tulip sun
The lodge and hemet's group are kinda two extremely different things.
hollow dock
We're apart of organizations and we sure as heck dont listen to our superiors on everything
tulip sun
And the dark rangers, farstriders and even vereesa's group came under orders.
and there were no Rangari in legion
hollow dock
Which is why I am led to believe that it is from Alternate draenor...
which is what I said at the start D=
tulip sun
I totally support that
But is this...Rangari friendly the horde?
or is she dead when you arrive
sinful kettle
hollow dock
She was killed by Zandalari as far as I know
tulip sun
Fumanju, can you tell me the timestamp and I will go watch
sinful kettle
https://youtu.be/h__h16TocFc?t=1h42m40s is where the screencap's from
hollow dock
In which, if she's apart of the Expedition, there's no faction stirring there
just like the lodge
it's hunters there to do one thing all hunters do best
Hunt
hollow dock
Hemets Epedition
sinful kettle
Nesingwary just wants to hunt, fam
hollow dock
you've never encountered any of his previous ones
meager warren
Hunters don't hunt best. They annoy best
tulip sun
Oh, I was thinking you meant something bigger
hollow dock
Hemet always hosts a hunting expedition into a new land D=
tulip sun
Fumanju, any estimation of where the hunting expedition is encountered time-wise?
meager warren
Hemet is annoying
tulip sun
I guess I just find it weird in an all out war expansion
sinful kettle
The area he hunts around is densely populated by beasts over factionized mobs
Sort of like their camp in Sholazar
hollow dock
We had it in BC, Wrath, Cata, Pandaria, WoD, and Legion.
and wrath too but that was just Hemet in Strangle Thorn same as Cata
sinful kettle
You get the quest to see him fairly early in on Zuldazar IIRC. Nobbel just took a while to see about it all
hollow dock
Hemets a hunter. He doesn't care about your creed, just that you're an honorable hunter.
meager warren
or maybe he only cares that ur another nub he can get to follow his orders without question
"Oh, you want me to get u 12 bear skins? Get it yourself, ya lazy bum"
tulip sun
But you said this rangari died by zandalari or horde or something
hollow dock
Last I heard, she was killed by a Zandalari
As this is apart of the leveling experience, tis pretty clear that the Zandalari aren't horde yet.
tulip sun
Thats true.
meager warren
either way, since the rangari are alliance, the fact that the rangari was killed by one may be one of the reasons they join the Horde
hollow dock
Not at all. Considering she's with the expedition, she's clearly a neutral.
meager warren
what expedition?
sinful kettle
The Zandalari that hunts them doesn't care about faction
Kills everyone that's with Hemet
The worgen, Rangari, Thunderlord, and uses Hemet as bait to try and get the player character
sinful kettle
exist xd
hollow dock
^
meager warren
ugh.
goddamnit, bliz
sinful kettle
'im gonna hunt the guy who took down all the antags lmao'
meager warren
why u do dis bliz
tulip sun
Is Hemet ok?!
tulip sun
So the thunderlord is dead? 😦
sinful kettle
yup
tulip sun
But it is confirmed Rangari are in BfA in some shape or form
meager warren
isn't lei-shen the thunderlord?
sinful kettle
he's thunderdaddy
tulip sun
They are the generic draenei troops in the alliance missions
meager warren
Father of Thunder?
tulip sun
But where are my generic highmountain, nightborne and pandaren troops?! O.O
They better not ignore pandaren
I want pandaren
meager warren
they've ignored them for two expacs so far.
why would they stop now
tulip sun
I meant in the mission tables, haha. Only alliance datamined, but all races have generic troops except pandaren and void elves/lightforged.
tulip sun
Pandaren were not ignored in Legion whatsoever.
and there were pandaren in WoD as well
meager warren
ya, the pandaren got the monks.
and there were mission tables with pandaren.
but aside from that, largely ignored
sinful kettle
Pandaren had their own class hall more or less
tulip sun
Yalia, Taoshi, the monk order hall.
uncut vault
I hope they arent ignored in BfA. Perfect chance to give them an aggressive role
Zandalari are kinda a big enemy of theirs
sinful kettle
I really hope we see some cultural strife among Zandalari and pandaren
meager warren
Waiting for the pandaren and zandalari RPs
uncut vault
ji, serving the second warmongering warchief and now allying with one of his races worst enemies:
sinful kettle
lmfao
meager warren
yes, we're the baddies
meager warren
wat?
what she say
uncut vault
just comments on how anduins a shit sparring partner
tulip sun
^^^
meager warren
kek
uncut vault
then goes "oshit dont tell him"
tulip sun
She likes varian better secretly c:
meager warren
i'd rather not get on Aysa's bad side either way
sinful kettle
had my hopes up about her remarking the Horde's attempt at bringing the Zandalari over to the red banner
tulip sun
Despite barely ever seeing her, I like aysa.
meager warren
she'd kick the player character's ass
tulip sun
I want to see aysa and ji meet in battle, that would be interesting
Even have Aysa show up in the stormwind heist scenario
hollow dock
No one wants to get on Aysa's bad side.
meager warren
aren't aysa and ji best friends?
meager warren
rood
hollow dock
No one wants to get on Aysa's bad side.
sinful kettle
i do
hollow dock
Aysa and Ji are lovers
meager warren
heretic!
whaps Fumanju with a newspaper
meager warren
noice
sinful kettle
im jokin about ur typo 😉 but honestly tho im glad zul's brought some of his hench-mogu with him to zandalar
hollow dock
with my favorite actior
tulip sun
How many followers do you think we'll have
sinful kettle
i think they'll follow Legion's numbers, honestly
tulip sun
I wish it was one of each race, but I doubt it.
Two humans for alliance so far.
-pukes-
sinful kettle
i personally prefer commanded neat npcs than actual WoW heroes
neat npcs as in what we had in WoD
tulip sun
Same. So far, they seem to be relatively minor, but not nobodies
tulip sun
They all appeared before.
sinful kettle
yup!
sinful kettle
i didnt check, personally
meager warren
what typo
@sinful kettle
tulip sun
I feel like he does, but am not sure
sinful kettle
"fumanji"
uncut vault
I really hope they get Zuls VA right
sinful kettle
i know right?
meager warren
it doesn't say fumanji
tulip sun
Kelsey is also a neat choice...
sinful kettle
what voodoo is this
tulip sun
-chucks the two humans out the window-
meager warren
😉
sinful kettle
oh you 😉
tulip sun
I want some more interesting people 😛
meager warren
❤
uncut vault
the limited number of champs means they could make all of them bodyguards
sinful kettle
I hope they nail Rastakhan's voice
uncut vault
or make mission tables account wide, which would be amazing
meager warren
i hope they nail Sylvanas to Zul
tulip sun
It seems like they are all sneaky-type units for alliance
sinful kettle
That'd be so much better for balance
tulip sun
Will it be different for horde?
sinful kettle
Order hall time-gating really pisses me off
sinful kettle
Talanji has a bigger dick than all of em
tulip sun
This dudette have an updated skin?
sinful kettle
She's fucking awesome
tulip sun
Can't tell
sinful kettle
That looks like the old
tulip sun
😦
sinful kettle
The eyes have that old flare
uncut vault
old beard too
sinful kettle
Yeah
tulip sun
They better update him
sinful kettle
That skin is tied to the normal dwarf model
They might have to change his hair/beard if Dark Iron don't have that combo
sinful kettle
MY BALDING REVERSED AYE
uncut vault
eyes and skin are close enough that its barely noticable
tulip sun
the heck is this J Keeshan dude
hollow dock
YOU DO THE FIGHTING AND I'LL DO THE FIXING NOW LETS TAKE OUT THAT TANK
sinful kettle
Redridge Rambo
tulip sun
I want him replaced >:o
uncut vault
a legendary hero
tulip sun
I don't want two humans
uncut vault
he stole sylvanas' bow
hollow dock
ur puke khamnin
meager warren
J Keeshan is madness
tulip sun
I never played redridge
uncut vault
meager warren
oh gr8 idea, K.
Shoot a worgen in the back.
Fuckin' coward.
uncut vault
She is
tulip sun
She is a neat gnome
hollow dock
gnomes r puke
tulip sun
I hope they don't go all sneaky for the horde side, we have no need to be.
sinful kettle
gnomes are cute
meager warren
goblins r puke
tulip sun
For alliance it is like, rogue order hall 2.0
meager warren
no
sinful kettle
they adorbs
hollow dock
all races r puke
meager warren
humans r puke
sinful kettle
zandalari r gods
tulip sun
All of the generic troops have working models except rangari
hollow dock
yes all races
meager warren
zandalari r lovely
sinful kettle
#YesAllRaces
meager warren
#YesAllRaces
hollow dock
#allracesrpuke
sinful kettle
allianceracesrpuke*
meager warren
#NoLivesMatter
sinful kettle
haha for the horde11
hollow dock
Vote for C'thulu 2020 #nolivesmatter
uncut vault
I mean, it basically seems like we're a general again
only this time sending out full regiments
sinful kettle
#Ak'agthshi ma uhnish, ak'uq shg'cul vwahuhn! H'iwn iggksh Phquathi gag OOU KAAXTH SHUUL!
hollow dock
"Hey remember abandoning us for going to fight the legion? Welcome back General."
meager warren
No, no.
Vote for Hobbes from Calvin and Hobbes
sinful kettle
commandurrrrr
meager warren
Everybody's gonna be sitting in a field pickin' daisies that way
tulip sun
I like the idea of commanding troops
meager warren
#Hobbes4prez2020
hollow dock
enjoy WoD 2.0
sinful kettle
As long as I'm not sending WoW heroes out, I'm happy
tulip sun
I am not one of those people who hated WoD
sinful kettle
I prefer the garrison system to order halls
hollow dock
theres nothing to hate
meager warren
TBC 3.0 should be a lot better.
AS LONG AS THEY TAKE THE THING SERIOUSLY
uncut vault
but minus Keeshan, the ones we got make sense as main champions. Kelsey is an advisor to Gelbin, Thaelin is a notworthy mechanic and dark iron, bodrick is a high ranking SI:7 agent
sinful kettle
I'd be happier without the systems as a whole, though
uncut vault
should replace Keeshan with someone of a different race
tulip sun
Hmm
sinful kettle
Wildhammer
tulip sun
I agree Porter
sinful kettle
tbh
sinful kettle
e
uncut vault
noteworthy lol
tulip sun
It seems they went from
uncut vault
but I was more thinking a nelf or draenei
tulip sun
Factions, to classes back to factions
meager warren
boi, i'll show you notworthy
tulip sun
I want at least one pandaren follower between the horde and alliance
I want a unique cast
meager warren
i want neutral factions ;-;
4everalone
hollow dock
If everythings unique then nothings unique
uncut vault
I'd love if they made this what they talked about for Legion's system, but amped up
have these guys actually just scout out quests
uncut vault
then we go do them
meager warren
ya know what would be unique?
NEUTRAL FACTIONS
sinful kettle
rng
sinful kettle
Hell yeah
uncut vault
Im still curious when we're recruiting the rangari though
tulip sun
Maybe they approach the alliance after the orcs join the horde
tulip sun
I predict something will force them to move to azeroth? Maybe.
meager warren
FOR AZEROTH!
#NeutralFactions
uncut vault
I hope they approach them. They wouldnt be an allied race, but the council of exarchs under velen again would be badass
tulip sun
Yup
uncut vault
them interacting with our velen would be hella interesting
tulip sun
I wonder if Velen will do anything
rich apex
Nope
uncut vault
ms yrel "youre basically my father figure but you dont know me"
rich apex
Velen too reasonable for a faction war
tulip sun
So far Aysa and Velen, and wildhammer/bronzebeard leaders are the only ones not confirmed to do anything as of now.
uncut vault
he has the line in the embassy about him looking for allies
tulip sun
and Tyrande I suppose
meager warren
i just watched a guy beat his own clone to death in Altered Carbon.
Metal af
tulip sun
Malfurion, Turalyon, Alleria, Anduin, Genn, Geblin all do something
I love how almost all faction leaders are involved with Lordaeron
meager warren
geblin?
meager warren
wat
tulip sun
The gnomish leader.
meager warren
wat
uncut vault
Im happy that the team that designs prepatches loves gnomes to bits
shame nobody else does
tulip sun
What do you mean?
uncut vault
Gelbin has been featured and badass in the most recent two prepatches
completely absent everywhere else, alongside basically all gnomes
this quote seems like hes going to be more proactive IMO
getting allies from draenor seems pretty proactive
meager warren
Finally, Velen could potentially turn into somebody i can actually like
tulip sun
I like the theory I heard, where they said all the characters within the embassy would do something or recruit somebody.
Something like that
BUT I LOVE THE CHILL WAY VELEN SITS
xD
meager warren
can u take a screeny
tulip sun
Of?
uncut vault
zinc sandal
Velen ❤
meager warren
If Velen said shit like person 1, i'd like him a lot more....
Person 1: "A pawn in the army of the righteous can be more powerful than a king who is without faith."
Person 2: "Me, i prefer checkers."
Person 1: "This does not surprise me."
meager warren
come at me
meager warren
that'll do ❤
zinc sandal
❤
inner aurora
😊
plain vigil
What are the chances that the alliance get vulpirans and or kul tirans, and both are druids?
heavy cairn
technically impossible to tell
but I'd say it's about as likely for kultirans to be druids as maghar
i.e. very low
strange falcon
Repost (from the other server you asked this in) vulpera could be druid,but they're quite tiny so it would be weird,kultiran druids are weird too,also vulperas are most probably going horde unless blizz goes for some "well you helped them survive the SNEK people and thrive in the desert,so we'll give em to the other faction who literally didn't raise a finger to help them" situation
heavy cairn
I don't know why vulpera would be alliance, and also what's wrong with a tiny race being a druid?
goblins can be shamans and can turn into a wolf form that's bigger than them
could be similar situation here
strange falcon
the wrong part with tiny races being druids is their forms
if they go like zandalari
you would have chibi cat form etc
which would be hilarious
strange falcon
🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔
heavy cairn
well I don't actually think vulpera have a high chance of being druids unless there's some lore we're missing
I guess that lore could be missing since no voldune tests yet
but still, not all furry races are druids
look at pandaren
sharp bluff
Also considering the Alliance doesn't meet the Vulpirans, the horde does...
strange falcon
@sharp bluff and considering they were OUTRIGHT marked as a horde race(with a 0 in the codefiles or was it a 1?) like all other horde allied races)
(then they removed that and brought it back to factionless npc)
and that the newest alpha build shows a new reputation called "voldunians" or something like that
sudden oak
the equivalent of the vulpera allied race would be the sethrak?
sharp bluff
I don’t think?
languid yoke
no
sharp bluff
I highly doubt we would get Setgrak anyways, head armor won’t work on them
dense plover
sethrak are evil, we will not see sethrak as anything other than the villains
right now, we are looking at two more allied races for horde; zandalari, and maghar orcs
jade basalt
Nope, there are good Sethrak too.
dense plover
where?
jade basalt
The ones who side against the Emperor.
dense plover
dont they still enslave the vulpera?
but my point continued; we need two allied races for alliance
jade basalt
I don't think so
dense plover
we have dark iron dwarves
jade basalt
(about the first point)
dense plover
which is most likely the maghar orc equivalent
languid yoke
for god's sake
dense plover
so we need a zandalari equivalent - probably the kul tirans
languid yoke
they were announced simultanously
dense plover
so?
languid yoke
there might be some on kul tiras
dense plover
plans change you know
languid yoke
which is why we only ally now?
languid yoke
doubt it
dense plover
just like maghar are alternate orcs
dense plover
for what they are yes
but storywise, less so
its weird
they dont quite match up cross faction
but still, dark iron and kul tirans are the most likely for alliance
i doubt we will see vulpera at all
too many allied races will burn players out on the leveling experience
also it will feel like bloat
we are getting a minimum of 4 new races in BfA in addition to the 4 we just got
thats a lot
terse patrol
We’ll likely get 2 more overall at the end of BFA.
Or in the next expac
Unless they add a couple full races next expax
expac*
dense plover
or maybe, they might just stay away from new races
so that people dont get sick of leveling characters and burn out on the game
burrnout is bad for business
heavy cairn
IGNORE JINYU, I made this image for another theory someone had
italics are speculation
zandalari are counterpart to kul'tiran in the sense that they are actually relevant characters in the expansion
but alliance/horde would just get their relevant races in a staggered manner
eventually it will all "even out"
sharp bluff
jinyu? I mean it makes sense I think we might get that next xpac though
Naga Queen is going to need to go down soon
heavy cairn
as I said, ignore jinyu
sharp bluff
I think the bigger picture would be is there another short race for alliance? since Vulpera use a goblin rig
IF they are using the same rigs for almost all the allied races that is (not counting male Zandalari)
heavy cairn
true
but I don't know if they are going to stick to that exclusively
they were bragging about how they have a lot of freedom since they technically aren't subraces
why brag if they are just going to create them as if they are subraces?
sharp bluff
True, very true, since so far they are all subraces
dense plover
the entire point is to reuse skeletons
heavy cairn
I have a feeling we will get a non-subrace one day soon
dense plover
so if you can reuse a current player skeleton. they can work
heavy cairn
because allied races are "easier" (no starting zone, and story reused from max-level content)
but a whole new skeleton? I don't see why that would be needed, yet I don't think that's the exclusive criteria for defining a subrace
sharp bluff
dense plover
its the exclusive criteria for defining an allied race
zandalari technically have new animations
but thats because their modified skeleton is being used for hundreds of npcs on zandalar
heavy cairn
I don't think it's the exclusive criteria, but blizz definitely isn't going out of their way anytime soon
dense plover
it pretty much is
at blizzcon that was what they said
the purpose of an allied race is to re use the skeleton
save time on animation
terse patrol
From what I’ve heard from someone who’s on the inside, Tortollan aren’t happening. Vulpera, they dunno.
languid yoke
that tortollan aren't happening is obvious
terse patrol
Well, people seem to think they are.
dense plover
and they dont have the physical shape to have those animations
vulpera actually have been getting some unique animations
so that is interesting
sharp bluff
The jinyu were once murlocs.... Ok now I want it to be true lol
terse patrol
I think Blizzard may be waiting to see if people like Vulpera once they run through the content in Voldun.
sharp bluff
The jinyu were once murlocs that evolved when exposed to sacred pools in the Vale of Eternal Blossoms.
heavy cairn
interesting. I didn't really care much about pandaren lore, so I thought that was some sort of joke lol
sharp bluff
Nether do I was just reading up on them
heavy cairn
yes. I barely quested in pandaria and I didn't read the scrolls when I did the lorewalker thing...
dense plover
though i think the murloc thing is from chronicles
heavy cairn
hmm, I would think I would remember that being in the chronicle
idk
looks like it's from lorewalker thing
dense plover
pretty sure it is also in chronicles
when they discuss eonar's experimental areas
like scholazar
and ungoro
sharp bluff
Ya looking at currently existing races already allied with the Alliance, Broken and Jinyu are only 2 I see potentially being allies, but I doubt Broken since they already gave us 2 Draenei
no counting the Revantusk Trolls on horde
dense plover
i would kill for the argus broken
sharp bluff
Huh it says Leper gnomes are allied with the Horde?
dense plover
?
sharp bluff
For the horde based on current allies I can see Leper gnome, Taunka, and maybe Half Ogre
tulip sun
Any kind of troll, specifically forest
sharp bluff
Doubt Taunka since already have a Tauren rig one, but never know
tulip sun
Taunka would be my number 1 choice