they have them
#beta-ptr-spoilers
dense plover
vague sparrow
or they just could be the whisperings of one's own mind going crazy through the influence
dense plover
but the whispers and thoughts seem to be able to come from any of it
no
its yshaarj's voice
hollow dock
They need to come from somewhere
hollow dock
AS again, these are magical beings.
dense plover
magic and shit is common
vague sparrow
the influence of the old god literally drove people insane
vague sparrow
so how could being insane not create your own voices based on the influence of the powers of an old god?
hollow dock
The game has constantly stated 'The old gods WHISPERS have driven people into madness'
hollow dock
That's how they got deathwing
dense plover
old god corruption isnt a by product
it is their goal
their whispers are their main tool
hollow dock
not by being near deathwing, but by constantly assaulting him with his Whispers.
dense plover
^
hollow dock
G'huun, a false old god, does the exact same behavior.
dense plover
^
vague sparrow
i don't understand the difference in the arguments...my argument is that Y'shaarj was killed when Aman ripped him from Azeroth, the void power of Y'shaarj left behind is what caused the corruptions, not the old god itself
dense plover
except the heart is yshaarj
thats why once we killed the heart and got rid of the corruption in garrosh, the sha are gone in canon
its why in the mantid place, there is a room that is foreshadowing the power of the heart
hollow dock
My arguement is that when Garrosh tossed the heart into the pool
it 'revitalized' him
dense plover
^
hollow dock
brought him back from his slumbering little coma
vague sparrow
the heart is a leftover piece of Y'shaarj and its corruption, not the consciousness itself though. The sha are also leftovers of the old god....
hollow dock
Hence why the heart was so powerful when we find it.
vague sparrow
Eh...i don't believe that it was revitalized sorry
dense plover
the dont work in a simple way
vague sparrow
gonna bounce out as this is just going to continue in circles, sorry haha
hollow dock
That's how it is described Forgiven
dense plover
if the heart had been grabbed by the mantid, they couldve revived the old god
hollow dock
That's the whole reason they did that to the heart
to restore its power that it once lost.
tropic trail
Will we be able to make the darkspear trolls to stand upright?
hollow dock
Not that we know of.
hollow dock
We know the Orcs will be getting this feature in Battle for Azeroth but its unclear whether or not they'll extend it.
tropic trail
Oh okie
hollow dock
Peach they also said no to the dino-sepcific forms of the zandalari
and that was changed behind closed doors. No reason to count out the possibility that they did the same on troll backs.
dense plover
thats true
uncut vault
they added upright forsaken women so who knows
dense plover
forsaken women have always been upright-ish
uncut vault
hollow dock
the darkspear are just hunched over blue zandalari
dense plover
its a singular animation where they stand up
uncut vault
look at what I just linked
zinc sandal
Watch the video
dense plover
guess they changed that
tulip sun
Their hunch is signature to their identity
zinc sandal
They're still hunched, but not as much
tulip sun
Jungle trolls
hollow dock
Don't like the rotting corpse race to look like a rotting corpse?
sharp bluff
they said hunched Darkspear was kinda their thing, if I remember right,I think they also mentioned if they stood upright they would be taller then a Tauren
imagine the small doors
wind totem
Those druid forms though
hollow dock
makes me angry
hollow dock
I have to betray every bone in my body that tells me to hate the horde. Cuz dinos.
steel venture
they're too damn short right now
king rastakhan is the only zandalari model right now that is their lore height
zinc sandal
@hollow dock Exactly.
sharp bluff
Dino hunters, dino druids, dino armor, what can be next?
steel venture
more dino mounts, clearly.
hollow dock
DEVILSAUR MOUNTS
hollow dock
if that happens I convert.
zinc sandal
Especially when the bones somehow clip through gear? Like how?
wind totem
I wonder what the feral form is
steel venture
THE NEW BRONTO MOUNT IS A BABY ONE SO GIVE US A BABY DEVILSAUR TO RIDE ON
wind totem
I'm guessing a sabretooth tigre with the troll tusks
hollow dock
Sarco. Im calling it now.
wind totem
Oh yeah
hollow dock
It should be a croc. Or one of those mammal like saurians.
steel venture
it'll probably be SOME type of archosaur tbh
which includes crocodiles, ancient/modern dinosaurs, and pterosaurs
hollow dock
pls let it be a sarco
steel venture
(also yes we still have dinosaurs and they are small and tweet now ur welc.)
steel venture
domesticated dinosaurs
yep
it'll probably be a crocodilian like our good ol' boy boar-croc / kaparosuchus or a gorgonopsid
... also honestly tho zandalari get like
the best forms thus far
hands down
hollow dock
Idk
steel venture
you would like never use an aritfact form on them even
hollow dock
The were-bear is pretty good.
steel venture
---okay true
which i still need to get fuck
my computer is so laggy in the challenge room though 😭
steel venture
so i've been spiking my ilvl up for it not to like, matter and hopefully kill it fast af.
that's the backup plan
i do have high hopes for a good cat form though that'll still be an archosaur
at the very least
i would LOVE my lizardlion gorgonopsid boys but
if not, still a good alternative
since if the bear form is ankylo and the moonkin is yi qi
there's a good theme going
meager warren
@hollow dock https://www.pinterest.com/pin/332773859945682075/
hollow dock
fuckin hate pintrest
meager warren
read it anyway
meager warren
it has relevance because what the doctor said in that is related to the Horde/ Alliance war and how pointless it is
hollow dock
I agree the war is absolutely pointless.
meager warren
actually, it's related to every war
hollow dock
I've never said it was never a pointless war. Always advocated for the ending of it.
meager warren
then, "SIT DOWN. AND TALK" to your Horde mates
Also, Bliz needs to take a break and watch Doctor Who together and get that lovely piece of quote seared into their heads
hollow dock
Taoshi yells: Lord Zhu! The Alliance - the Horde - all chaos is about to erupt out here!
Taran Zhu says: Like children.
Taran Zhu says: Taoshi! Hand me my weapon.
Taoshi says: My Lord... you are gravely wounded!
Taran Zhu yells: My weapon! Champion, with me. I want you to see this.
Taran Zhu hobbles back to the Bloodied Crossing, where the Alliance and Horde war parties are facing each other down.
Lady Jaina Proudmoore yells: Hand over the Archmage and I may yet allow you to walk out of here, Lor'themar.
Lor'themar Theron yells: Proudmoore! You will release my people from the Violet Hold, or I will cut you down myself!
Lady Jaina Proudmoore yells: Your people are legitimate prisoners of war. They orchestrated an attack on Darnassus from MY city-
Lor'themar Theron yells: The Sunreavers knew NOTHING of Garrosh's raid on Darnassus!
Aethas Sunreaver shifts uncomfortably.
Taran Zhu yells: ENOUGH!! There will be no more bloodshed today.
Taran Zhu yells: I see now why your Alliance and Horde cannot stop fighting.
Taran Zhu yells: Every reprisal is itself an act of aggression, and every act of aggression triggers immediate reprisal.
Lady Jaina Proudmoore yells: They have undermined EVERY attempt at peace!
Lor'themar Theron yells: I must protect my sovereign people.
Taran Zhu yells: SILENCE! YOU must break the cycle.
Taran Zhu yells: It ends TODAY. Here. The cycle ends when you, Regent Lord, and you, Lady Proudmoore, turn from one another. And walk. Away.
Lor'themar narrows his eyes.
Jaina takes a deep breath.
this reflects a similar theme to that Doctor Who episode.
rich apex
Taran Zhu for world leader when
meager warren
it has a similar message but it's a lot different.
Taran Zhu was just insulting them and the Doctor was describing them
hollow dock
Taran Zhu was describing, not insulting. He is the first outsider to really observe the alliance horde war without ever being dragged into it formally.
meager warren
"walk away" =/= "Talk"
hollow dock
That's why I said 'similar theme'
Blizzard is, and always will be, more than aware that the horde alliance war is beyond stupid and nonsensical at this point.
meager warren
aside from one instance, Taran Zhu did nothing to help the Alliance and Horde see the errors in their ways
if they're aware of it, why the fuck aren't they fixing it
at least make it make it not make no sense.
tulip sun
Taran Zhu yells: Every reprisal is itself an act of aggression, and every act of aggression triggers immediate reprisal.
This is everything...
hollow dock
Tong the Fixer says: Enough!!
Wrathion says: Uhh... wha?
Tong the Fixer says: Talk! Talk! Talk!
Tong the Fixer says: Always you speak. Never do you listen! You ignore the lessons of Pandaria!
Tong the Fixer says: You see, there is balance in all things. Wisdom etched in our very fur: Black and white. Darkness and light.
Tong the Fixer says: When the last emperor hid our land from the rest of the world, he also preserved the homeland of our ancient enemy, the mantid. Why did he do this?
Tong the Fixer says: He did so to keep the land whole. Living with the mantid for ten thousand years has made us both STRONG.
Tong the Fixer says: So it is with your Alliance and your Horde. They are not strong despite one another; they are strong BECAUSE of one another.
Tong the Fixer says: You mistake your greatest strength for weakness. Do you see this?
Wrathion says: ...you ...you're just a WAITER!
Wrathion says: I promise you this: I will stop at nothing to prepare this world for the battle to come.
Wrathion says: Next time, I will leave nothing to chance.
meager warren
sure, Wrathion.
Him being a waiter makes him wrong.
Makes total sense.
hollow dock
Pandaria had such insight on the horde alliance conflict.
meager warren
i'm sad i missed Mists of Pandaria tbh
hollow dock
he's a waiter
rich apex
I probably shouldn't have taken a break and skipped all the pandaland endgame
rich apex
mood
hollow dock
Yo man people judged pandaria to harshly.
meager warren
i once read something about Pandaria being too silly so the writer didn't play it because of that.
that was cringey af
meager warren
right?
meager warren
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/469359592397971552/
here's another Doctor Who quote that's similar to the other one
rich apex
the day i killed deathwing or whatever the quest was
meager warren
if you don't like silly, here's the solution...
- turn off your router
- Turn off your computer and phone
- Throw your computer and phone out the window
- Stomp on them
- done
hollow dock
Yes
meager warren
o
hollow dock
My favorite is the varian one
meager warren
kek
tulip sun
I honestly didnt mind pandaria
languid yoke
I liked Pandaria for the most part
hollow dock
the only thing I didn't like was the 2 year content drought
of only doing Garrosh solo tank
So many wipes
SO. MANY. WIPES.
languid yoke
overall still only my 4th or 5th expansion in my expansion list, but still not a bad xpac
daily areas were annoying tho
tulip sun
I thought the story and lore of pandaren is great though
languid yoke
especially the 4 temples
hollow dock
in terms of gameplay, its a solid number 3.
tulip sun
Pandaren are in the top of my list of fav races.
languid yoke
my only tolerable dungeons are the classic ones + brewery
hollow dock
Void elf is my all time fav.
uncut vault
it and Wrath are tied for me, with it having a more compelling story IMO.
languid yoke
velfs can die but that's different subject
hollow dock
Pandaren dance is to weebfor it.
tulip sun
I never particularly liked Blood Elves, but they are growing on me.
I am hoping void elves do the same
languid yoke
Granted, I was talking about Pandaren male dance
hollow dock
I just never liked void elves because of their old animations
meager warren
Things people don't find too silly
*Moose turning into eagles (Highmountain Tauren druids)
*Quasimodo got a liposuction (Trolls)
*Alternate Universes and timey wimey stuff
*MAGIC
*SCIENCE
*SCIFI
*Have you seen murlocs?
Things people do find too silly:
*Pandas.
hollow dock
where females spun in a circle
languid yoke
cause I only play male chars other than my gnome
hollow dock
or had that really awkward as fuck lean forward ont heir ankles when using a two hander
or their horrid bow animations before Legion
uncut vault
godIm so glad they updated it in 7.3
tulip sun
I prefer female models. I mean, some are nice, but they are just way too bulky
The male ones are
hollow dock
Same. I hate the male depictions of the races except Pandaren and Gnome.
meager warren
another thing people don't find silly: Pointless war and flat villains/ heroes
hollow dock
cuz, funny enough wolf, I feel like all the men feel the same.
languid yoke
male pandaren are the only real pandas
meager warren
FEMALE PANDAS ARE VALID TOO
languid yoke
they are red pandas
tulip sun
You know...
languid yoke
that's not even a real panda
hollow dock
RED PANDAS ARE FAR MORE ADORABLE
meager warren
red panda?
languid yoke
and okay yeah I agree that most males in wow are bulky things
tulip sun
To make the two pandaren factions different(huojin & alliance), they could have made one all red pandas and the other regular. To make them more noticeable
hollow dock
have you never seen a red panda arson?
languid yoke
while most females are thin dumbheads aka belfs
meager warren
not irl but what does that have to do with this
hollow dock
tulip sun
Google, lol
hollow dock
this adorable little shit
tulip sun
They are so adorable
languid yoke
hollow dock
YOU DONT HAVE TO
YOU HAVE
THE
INTERNET
THE WORLDS KNOWLEDGE AT YOUR FINGERTIPS
hollow dock
theyre adorable balls of fluff
meager warren
FLOOF
languid yoke
FL00F
tulip sun
I am want to make a zandalari troll, but they are going to boom to the most played list quickly
wind totem
Now that's the only good panda there is
tulip sun
zandalari druid I mean
languid yoke
my pandaren is the best panda
meager warren
what does red panda have to do with female panda tho
hollow dock
Wolf says theyre red pandas
languid yoke
female pandas look like red pandas
leaden garden
@tulip sun so? Lol
tulip sun
The female red pandas have tails.
hollow dock
and I say that thats better.
languid yoke
and I say they aren't real pandas
hollow dock
because red pandas are more adorable.
wind totem
If pandaren females are supoosed to be red pandas...
Red pandas will forever be ruined for me
meager warren
RED PANDAS ARE VALID
tulip sun
The pandaren with red fur are suppose to be based off red pandas.
meager warren
pandaren with red fur what
meager warren
what is this you speak of
hollow dock
and it even gives em a little tail
meager warren
wottt
tulip sun
and it comes with a tail
hollow dock
have you never made yourself a panada?
wind totem
Please no
meager warren
no
hollow dock
Blizz even released stats about the pandas
tulip sun
They have been in the game for years
meager warren
i've made it twice but both times were male
hollow dock
out of all the female pandas
languid yoke
http://puu.sh/zxL25/4939347b66.jpg best fl00f
hollow dock
the tailed pandas were the most popular
meager warren
Fl00000fff
tulip sun
My main character in WoW is a red pandaren w/ tail
hollow dock
My main is still human
languid yoke
my main is worgen
meager warren
my main is an edgy belf
hollow dock
cuz human racial is OP and I get to laugh at you plebs who complain about rep grinding
tulip sun
I technically play many, but she is kinda my first 110
languid yoke
I laugh at everyone complaining about being wheelchairs
meager warren
i play undead, DK, and DH
sharp bluff
Frosaken main here (with a side of Tauren)
languid yoke
ew forsaken
meager warren
ew alliance
sharp bluff
Forsaken are learning to stand straighter, say what you will lol
tulip sun
I play both horde and alliance, but the horde Theme I like better.
hollow dock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6dT4kyVUuY back to red pandas
meager warren
if you cared to play the forsaken storyline, you would find that some of the forsaken are good
languid yoke
I'm not gonna say ew horde because I play tauren and horde panda and soon zandalari and draenor orc
I won't play forsaken storyline ever
sharp bluff
Zandalari will be my new main though
meager warren
jokes on you, i play alliance too
sharp bluff
Tandalari Druid, they are legion
tulip sun
Her history has changed drastically too...just linked for the pictures
hollow dock
if I didn't lose my old computer I'd show y'all the massive amount of characters I have.
tulip sun
I have many
meager warren
i have... 10, i think
hollow dock
Nah the battery shorted out everything. its a fried paperweight
languid yoke
back to old subject I feel males are more diverse in WoW anyway
hollow dock
I really dont other than the fact that their shoulders differ somewhat.
meager warren
;-; gotta replace ur battery every once in a while.
it's a lot less expensive than getting a new one every time
languid yoke
Worgen and Trolls aren't nearly as overly buff as orcs/draenei/hooman/goblin (yes, goblin)
and gnomes exist
somehow
meager warren
gnomes are descended from colossals, i think.
just like humans and dwarves and giant humans
uncut vault
gnomes are descended from mechangnomes
languid yoke
and then there's also the pretty thin and feminine belfs
dense plover
Yeah mechagnomes became gnomes via curse of flesh
meager warren
and the sexy troll females and horrendous males
languid yoke
and for females I feel it's like human = belf = nelf = draenei = tauren = chihuahua abomination
meager warren
so, are they descended from colossals?
languid yoke
and orc = troll
hollow dock
Gnomes are from the Mechagnomes.
meager warren
.orc = troll? wut
uncut vault
theres never been colossals on azeroth, that was a draenor thing
meager warren
what are mechagnomes from then
hollow dock
the titans
languid yoke
I think female orcs and trolls are somewhat comparable
uncut vault
mimiron
hollow dock
like the earthen.
uncut vault
he created them
languid yoke
and pretty close to humans
meager warren
so, the erthen are Azeroth's version of the Colossals, right?
hollow dock
Gnomes, humans, Dwarves are all races that are on azeroth only because of the Titans
and no
dense plover
No
hollow dock
the Earthen are just rock dwarves
uncut vault
No, theres nothing like colossals on azeroth
meager warren
ok
dense plover
Earthen are titanforged
hollow dock
dwarves made of rock.
meager warren
rockybois
hollow dock
exactly
dense plover
All of the metal races were made by titans or titan keepers
hollow dock
Yup.
dense plover
Curse of flesh took the stone and metal and made it flesh
tulip sun
Should I start leveling my allied races finally...
meager warren
why is it called "Curse" of flesh
dense plover
Humans descended from some of those cursed vrykul
Because it is a curse
It made them weak
And mortal
meager warren
okay
dense plover
Pretty much every alliance race is descended from titanforged that received the curse of flesh
This is not the case for trolls, night elves, Tauren, pandaren, orcs
Basically just dwarves, humans and gnomes
uncut vault
worgen are humans with a curse
meager warren
if the Horde are barbarians, the Alliance are kleptocrats
languid yoke
50/50
languid yoke
but worgen is nelfish
meager warren
but the worgen are stronger than humans :thonking:
languid yoke
which is why 50/50
dense plover
No they aren’t
languid yoke
worgen are stronger than humans cause they are fl00f
meager warren
fl00FF
dense plover
Worgen are humans with a curse from the emerald dream
They are not related to night elves at all
meager warren
but night elf worgen exist
dense plover
Yes
meager warren
so
uncut vault
The curse came from a night elf worgen, but night elf worgen arent cursed, theyre trapped in a form
gnomes cannot be worgen
languid yoke
I mean worgen only exist in the first place because night elves were dumb
dense plover
Greedy more like it
meager warren
greedy is sometimes synonymous with dumb
uncut vault
as much as I'd love playable worgi, they sadly singled out gnomes as a race that cant be cursed
dense plover
Fucking not this agaib
Anything can be synonymous with dumb if you don’t give a shit about words
uncut vault
languid yoke
corgen
dense plover
We are not going into the dumb vs X argument again
uncut vault
#givemeworgis
meager warren
i thought i made that clear when i first started here
dense plover
🙄
steel venture
to be perfectly fair
rich apex
w o r g i s
atomic thistle
I'd actually roll gnome/worgen for that
dense plover
Worgen gnome could happen if there were gnome druids
But there arent
But again
All playable worgen are humans
steel venture
Yeah, unless you're RPin' you're not anythin' else.
Which the amount of sane night elven worgen would still be very low and probably would have to be constantly pumped with alchemical potions or around the Scythe of Elune.
dense plover
Or have received the cure
Just like the gilneans did
Outside of being worgen, do gilneans have a history of Druidism? I don’t have much knowledge on gilnean history
meager warren
they have a history of being human
meager warren
you're welcome
languid yoke
apparently harvest witches
but that's just sth I read here earlier today and I have no knowledge other than that
dense plover
Well that’s kul tiran history isn’t it?
languid yoke
kul tiran are gilnean
languid yoke
yeah and apparently harvest witches existed before kul tiras, so in gilneas
dense plover
Oh ok
languid yoke
considering lots of worgen druid teachers are harvest witches it makes sense
dense plover
So Druidism does have a history there
languid yoke
also having thanksgiving be Gilnean
atomic thistle
Is kull tiras a wandering island too?
dense plover
It was pulled out to sea by the cataclysm
And since then, no one has really had a reason to go there
From what it looks like they haven’t allowed anyone there anyway
Which is also true of Zandalar
atomic thistle
Except jaina when she's throwing a tantrum?
languid yoke
eh zandalar is sinking you REALLY didn't want to go there anyway
meager warren
Zandalar *was sinking
atomic thistle
Between zandalar and a certain temple...you gotta question troll surveyors
dense plover
Jaina didn’t go back to kul tiras during legion
It was believed that was the case
Except that the intro quest is her going back there for the first time since her fathers death
Yeah it’s been confirmed at this point that zandalar sank a bit but it’s not sinking any more
Zul wasn’t quite right about the cataclysm
meager warren
if it sank a bit, where is it on the map at this point
dense plover
Oh no
The sinking didn’t change its location
It’s in the same place it’s always been
Above pandaria
Slightly to the right
But near ish the big swirling storm in the middle of azeroth
meager warren
wat
dense plover
Look at an old map from when wow launched
Zandalar was there but unlabeled
Small island
Big island right below the maelstrom
I believe the biggest damage the cataclysm did to zandalar was to some of the shoreline, and to Nazmir which I don’t think was always a swamp
meager warren
o
dense plover
Whole island sank
Nazmir was just the part at sea level
That’s why there’s some areas around Zul Dazar that are sunken troll ruins
"Nazmir was once a lush forest, but during the Cataclysm Nazmir started to sink into the sea. Now, it is a fetid swamp full of ruined buildings and infested with blood trolls. "
hollow dock
Yes peach the Gilneans do have history of druidism. Think of it like in Witcher where 'druids, witches and herbalists' were kinda labled the same and how druids are portrayed in Celtic lore.
Which fits the theme as the Harvest Witch practice was nearly extinct by the time of Cataclysm thanks to the Holy Light (the stand in for Christianity and junk)
uncut vault
which is what I like about Kul Tiras, still has druids there, since it doesnt seem like their religion is as restricting
hollow dock
to what extent we dont know, but I do think that sailors would have more faith in nature than Light.
languid yoke
judging by their amount of fat they also believe in beer
hollow dock
The pandaren will feel at home
languid yoke
rivaling pandaren
languid yoke
depending on amount of beer there I might main my panda monk 🤔
steel venture
a lot of witch iconography is from female brewers
hollow dock
AXSCHUALLY
steel venture
no i mean
literally
black cauldron
broom being used as a sign to mark that they're open for buisness
herbal knowledge to make the beer
also that herbal knowledge also ended up helping medicinal knowledge too so there's the other part of witches
etc.
:T
~history~
hollow dock
yes that is the Witch bit but, I dont think when we call the Harvest Witches, Harvest Witches, we're referencing some old hag over a black cauldron using her broom to stir it. We're more so referencing people within nature, having great knowledge of it and cultivating it far better than any normal person.
A druid in the purest sense of the word
steel venture
I ... know fam.
In context of Kul Tiras though there's probably going to be a lot of overlap, people hissing and using these themes as propoganda, just like they did IRL.
But in reality harvest witches are harmless, and it's the hags / drust causing issues
hollow dock
that might be.
steel venture
If they don't take the oppertunity for story tension I'd be surprised.
uncut vault
Kul Tiras doesnt have just harvest witches, they have full on druids, learned from a wildhammer apparently
hollow dock
But we dont really know the situation. I venture it'll be more on the side of 'Druidism has eventually flourished from the Harvest Witches due to the requirement of it over say, holy healing.'
and where'd ya find that information Port?
uncut vault
Just saw people talkingabout it in a different discord
steel venture
Probably RPG.
steel venture
Oh, huh. Ask 'em for the links?
If so I assume that basically means Kul Tiran druids confirmed.
hollow dock
They were listed and it makes perfect sense as they're descended from Gilneans.
Do we really need that hard confirmed?
languid yoke
yes
meager warren
yes
steel venture
... I mean if we don't pay attention to a hard confirmation then we'd have to assume there's vulpera death knights and paladins.
._.
hollow dock
where's your proof to support those claims?
meager warren
Asks for proof
rich apex
And that's why datamined label files aren't hard confirmation
hollow dock
there's proof behind the claims of Kul'tiran druids. very hard and convincing proof.
meager warren
is in spoilers channel
rich apex
(tho apparently a KT quest has a KT druid NPC, so)
hollow dock
Yup exactly as I suspected.
harvest witches were there and its just been rotated out.
meager warren
that human looks like an on orc beach-boy
steel venture
Nice!
Also the information on the vulpera death knights and paladins was from a "class combination" post.
Which is not final, and more likely will be just used for animations when it comes to the ThinHumans and Vulpera.
hollow dock
"Now yesterday Blizzard clarified that some races, while not accessible by players, are flagged as both a playable and NPC race to aid Blizzard in NPC character creation. We've found that some of these character races have classes associated with them as well:"
steel venture
which is why like, people were raging about no zandalari paladins
when it would've been possible until people pissed off blizzard and made it so they forcefully made 'em NOT playable
hollow dock
That top line kinda explains it
uncut vault
them not being playable was decided long before we complained
steel venture
because the prelates were added in a later build after the "outrage" and connected to the rezan story
uncut vault
rezan was dead and undead at the blizzcon show floor
steel venture
Though there wasn't a prelate presence until later. So they addressed it but still kept them non-playable. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
hollow dock
TBh it most likely means theres going to be undead specific version of those races (As in the Forbes interview, Deathknight is confirmed to not be in the allied races)
steel venture
BFA is in development, so folks pointing out issues in story is still apart of the process. Azsuna's story changed like five times before live.
steel venture
^ Which is why I doubt these classes are final.
distant folio
"Azsuna's story changed like five times before live."
@steel venture oh do you have a source?
meager warren
i'm irked that undead can't be paladins despite being priests
sharp bluff
Rip DK
steel venture
You can't even test Zandalari or Dark Iron yet.
uncut vault
rich apex
There's like, what, two or four zones and a few dungeons playable, and that's it
steel venture
@distant folio Was apart of the old Legion datamining. I'll have to do some digging.
But there's proof of it given that Runas has "evil" lines.
The same ones that the nightborne prince uses.
hollow dock
Who's pan?
uncut vault
there were a lot of cinematics from azsuna that got cut too
steel venture
Yeah, you were supposed to see Azshara busting the tidestone in an actual cinematic.
uncut vault
detailing what actually happened with farondis, azshara, and the tidestone
steel venture
Not a book.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itIzbb-rgHI
Here's the old, scrapped "evil" Runas lines.
hollow dock
They changed it for Faronids to have broken it no?
steel venture
No, Azshara still broke it. It just was no longer shown in a cutscene.
She broke it and cursed the entirety of Azsuna as punishment. Because Farondis wanted to use the Tidestone to betray her.
hollow dock
Oh ok it was a remote breaking
steel venture
Also yeah, if you listen to these lines.
Runas was evil, and he was supposed to try to steal parts of the Tidestone / attack the Blue Dragonflight.
But then it was scrapped.
hollow dock
for the better imo
hollow dock
I'm fairly certain its confirmed that once you hit Withered, like with Wretched, you don't revert.
sharp bluff
Nightfallen Hunter pet? 😛
distant folio
@steel venture I dont really see where runas was evil?
steel venture
..........????????????
Did you not listen to the audio?
Those are the same exact lines used by the nightborne prince.
An ANTAGONIST of the zone?
They originally planned Runas to be the antagonist.
rich apex
Once you hit Withered, you're free to be used as a mindless slave for Thralyssa
distant folio
I can only find one line they have in common and its the "we'll feast on dragons instead"
steel venture
......................
so nothing else about going after the "crystal" (tidestone) and the like or "let the lizards and the lowborne have it" scream "Evil" to you.
._.
Bruh.
It was an idea they scrapped
Azsuna was going to go a different route.
It's literally not hard to explain.
true matrix
poor runas 😭
steel venture
I don't understand how this is a difficult concept, zone storyline changes ALL THE TIME.
Hell, entire zones are scrapped?
???
It's early development still.
Not every zone is ready, not every story is ready.
distant folio
I mean runas also says some pretty ugly stuff to you when you're fighting until you put some sense into him, but i would really like to know more about ael'yith supposed to have replaced runas
steel venture
So expect things to continue to change throughout BFA.
distant folio
I know, im just interested in what you said about azsuna having had its story changed 5 times
uncut vault
Its still interesting that Runas has some lines lingering from the original nightborne story in game
"The nightborne are not what they seem" and all
steel venture
Mhm---Also, it was a figure of speech. To the dataminer / alpha testing knowledge of Legion, it changed once before the final version that was showcased outside of friends/family/employees of Blizzard.
But seriously, it's not difficult to understand that entire zones can get reworked or large amounts of content can be cut.
That happened to over half of Warlords of Draenor for crying out loud.
distant folio
I never debated that, I was just interested in the azsuna thing you said
rich apex
Wrathion in Highmountain
uncut vault
tfw wrathion adopting 3 kids got scrapped
rich apex
wait wat
uncut vault
give me dragon dad wrathion
rich apex
wat
uncut vault
he saved three eggs in the original story
steel venture
he was going to find uncorrupted eggs in neltharion's lair
languid yoke
worgen in shadowmoon vallley were replaced by dumb fiona too
rich apex
ooh
steel venture
and become the adoptive father to them
distant folio
I dont think he was going to become their father
uncut vault
Eh I was fine with fiona making a cameo, especially since theyve said theyre saving that story for the future
steel venture
(and like, everyone was making jokes about it because he's like 4 years old. and he doesnt understand not every whelp is as smart as he is.)
but then it kind of made less and less sense so they cut it out and made ebyssian instead
... which is ebyssian's disguise is like so obvious
"Ebonhorn"
black-furred tauren
stupid gaudy thing on his head?
you can tell it was originally going to be wrathion.
uncut vault
well the outfit is just what all the spiritwalkers wear
based on the WC3 spiritwalker
but yeah the black fur made it obvious
steel venture
the helm, not so much though, lmao.
wrathion's tendancy for bad headwear was going to show through
uncut vault
even before I knew it was wrathion on the alpha, it was obvious it was a disguise
steel venture
mhmmmm
steel venture
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1874264-A-collection-of-all-known-cut-delayed-content-in-Warlords-of-Draenor
anyway if you wanna know how bad the content scrapping can get
just
here ya go
hollow dock
Everyone here should know the tragedy that is WoD
steel venture
WoD was supposed to be an actual proper expansion
not ... basically just a patch.
rich apex
...how would feral worgen be in Draenor
hollow dock
We just asked for proof of Azsuna getting changed 5 times
uncut vault
ironic. he could save others from content drought, but not himself.
hollow dock
I believe it was supposed to be the Saberon Hyper
YES
PREQUEL MEMES
EVERY LINE IN THOSE MOVIES IS A MEME OF ITSELF
uncut vault
god im still pissed about the shattrath raid
the original WoD plan was so much better
steel venture
@rich apex Worgen in Shadowmoon was due to the fact that Genn and other gilneans came down with some sickness that was making them feral if they were cursed.
And old remedies that Arugal used apparently came from Draenor plantlife he somehow managed to get from expeditions? It was ... weird---Which was a problem since, y'know ... Draenor exploded in our timeline.
rich apex
Okay, that's fair
steel venture
Yeah, so Lorna and Tess were supposed to be in Shadowmoon to the south near the botani spot to try and find these plants.
Which ... somebody apparently never told the Legion quest designers it got cut, hence why Lorna and Tess are flying together and chatting like best friends whilst they escort you to the Stormwind Keep.
It was going to delve into having them interact with eachother properly since the Gilnean starting zone didn't.
hollow dock
how does that cut quest say they aren't friends?
Ah
TBH enough times past that I think they can drop the hate theyd have for their fathers actions
steel venture
No yeah. It was going to probably touch on that, but now basically its just assumed that happened behind the scenes now.
since yknow
cut
¯_(ツ)_/¯
it was genn and crowley both gowing feral(?)
but they did say they wanted to use the story for later
uncut vault
Maraad: Maraad, you're frightening me.
steel venture
so maybe we'll see them get the spotlight for something during kul tiras. who knows.
uncut vault
alpha: truly the pinnacle of correct content
steel venture
the maraad stuff tho was actually... good. i'm sad it was cut
everyone was whining that yrel shouldn't be paired with him but
guys it wasnt AU yrel.
it was the MU one. that apparently died. so thats why he's overprotective of her despite not KNOWING AU yrel.
hollow dock
Wasn't the point that Yrel in our timeline was maraads lover and supposedly the draenei he told would be safe without him?
steel venture
but that also got totally cut when it was a good example to not project onto those within the timeline he was trying to save
uncut vault
Im still just so damn sad they cut out all the maraad story just to kill him three zones in
he was the best draenei IMO, especially with all his talk of vengeance in the datamined files
steel venture
he didn't view it as "i'm helping these other people not experience this" in the original storyline for WoD
hollow dock
he saw it as
steel venture
he viewed it as "no, wait. I can stop this from happening." without realizing he wouldn't actually be changing time.
hollow dock
'Im rewriting history I wrought'
steel venture
he was obsessing over it.
hollow dock
Man. I really wish it was kept now
steel venture
YEA IT BASICALLY WAS GOING TO ADDRESS THE
"how do we stop the people who are going there that EXPERIENCED this from not yknow"
"triggered by extreme PTSD and other issues"
like
thats what everyone was asking story-wise like
"wait how are half of the draenei here not freaking out"
hollow dock
"How is Maraad, after being shown a heavily traumatic experience of seeing the mangled and twisted bodies of men, women and even a child, not absolutely having a freak out?"
steel venture
^^^^^^
and how is maraad
not literally mentally breaking down at seeing the any of the uncorrupted, unbroken, LIVING versions of a lot of these people he knew?
like the exarchs
hollow dock
like he passivly mentions how great it is to see Akama
So
he's aware
but just not suffering any draw backs
steel venture
when its more like "Haha~! Hey Akama!"
not like
silently staring, which you would think would happen with his mental trauma
steel venture
Eh, they're doing better. Slowly.
hollow dock
Farondis was a good first try at it
steel venture
And Suramar still is probably my top favorite zone storyline ever now.
rich apex
Legion did have good moments, admittedly
Even if I still don't get why everyone's pissy at Farodis when they know full well what the alternatives were
steel venture
Fun fact on why Suramar was really good and detailed in it's story. It was written mostly by a roleplayer.
rich apex
Between demons and naga
steel venture
Questifer is a sweetheart and she deserves all of the love. ❤
Also, they're still were upset because they don't actually know the full origins of the naga until Legion occured.
That's why Farondis was so shocked that these snake-creatures were lead by his former Queen.
tulip torrent
they came from the sea isn't it enough?
hollow dock
Ah alright I was confused there on you mentioning Questifer and then Farondis right after
tulip torrent
the rest will be in some exp for sure
steel venture
Lmao oops.
yeah it was still apart of the convo
sorry 'bout that vris ❤
i jump around a lil
tulip torrent
World of Warcraft and The stone of the Naga for example
hollow dock
We know the origins of the Naga Argonia
steel venture
... I was also not stating player knowledge Argonia.
hollow dock
Xan meant that Farondis and his city of Elves didn't know until Legion of what happened with Azshara and the Naga.
steel venture
I was stating NPC knowledge.
Everyone knows pretty well how the naga came to be.
But a bunch of ghosts that were cursed by Azshara ages ago only learned of what became of her recently.
tulip torrent
yeah, we as players are beacons of light and knowledge
for all that cursed dead npcs
steel venture
Er... not even?
Farondis finds out by himself.
Because an Image of Azshara actually shows up during the questline ...
steel venture
---But we're UNCONCIOUS AND IMPRISONED IN THE CAVE BEHIND HER
steel venture
Yeah he also didn't love azshara either
tulip torrent
it was all for that stone
steel venture
he literally planned to betray her during WotA
tulip torrent
when we went to get it
hollow dock
Because he wanted to use the stone AGAINST Azshara yes
tulip torrent
azshara showed her real face
steel venture
????????? ... you're making like no sense rn.
hollow dock
He didn't just take it
he already had it in his city
he was a prince
Azshara entrusted it to him
steel venture
It was his artifact to look after.
hollow dock
but he saw what she was turning into and wanted to use it against her
Azshara caught him and bam
Ghost town
steel venture
He was ratted out to Azshara by his own court, even.
Since they couldn't believe he was going AGAINST her.
Fun fact though the one who ratted him out? ...
Vandros.
Yes.
That Vandros.
The one who also stabbed Thalyssra in the back.
He likes to keep his place of power amongst corrupt dictators apaprently.
steel venture
YEP
he used to be in farondis's court
so he probably knew what azshara would do and he skedaddled over to elisande
tulip torrent
but he is a nightborne
tulip torrent
farondis looked more like elfs
steel venture
right?
tulip torrent
their isolation was before ghost town ?
steel venture
Elisande, Thalyssra, Vandros, Occuleth and Valtrois are all over 10k.
And, no. Timeline wise Azsuna was cursed early WotA.
And then the shield went up nearing the end of WotA.
Azsuna was stated to be left in ruin BEFORE the Sundering occured.
Because Azshara decimated it as punishment for Farondis's betrayal.
Vandros got out of there unscathed because he's the one who WARNED her about Farondis.
Just like Vandros later tipped Elisande off on Thalyssra.
With the whole ... "Hey so we're going to kill Elisande because after 10k years she's letting the Legion in?"
Vandros was like "OHO---time to be a rat again."
skeevy little fuckwad
glad he's dead
tulip torrent
you never know who is really dead in wow
he might return as dreadlord
if he is a demon to begin with, that might explain all of the betrayals
hollow dock
Considering we kill him
steel venture
a politician.
its very easy for people to not bat an eye to cruel deeds to keep their own hides safe
hollow dock
he's perfectly dead. and not a demon.
steel venture
it literally was how most highborne, and how many nightborne were
hollow dock
They got in each other courts to kill the competition and move on to better ones
uncut vault
the whole reason why his people hate him is because he planned to betray azshara before everyone found out what she was doing
steel venture
^
hollow dock
Yup and it got them all killed.
They didn't know nad didn't want to know why he got them killed
It wasn't until they saw his open defiance of Azshara that they understood and rallied to their Prince
steel venture
^
dense plover
Ofc, he actually knew
steel venture
?
dense plover
If this is alliance orcs, it’s already been debunked
tulip sun
I will not get into it here, but ya
It is kinda bad.
I commented my first youtube comment because of it xD
dense plover
This is the reason I don’t watch any wow you tubers but nixxiom and nobbel, and I guess wowcrendor but That’s noncontent
tulip sun
Well, isn't Tradechat somehow involved with Wowhead?
That is why I initially started watching her
dense plover
50/50 chance the opinion is bullshit because having the opposite opinion as everyone else is how you get views
steel venture
Panser apparently doesn't realize that Zandalari use dinomancy.
Guardian - Ankylosaurus.
Moonkin - Yi Qi (A raptor with bat-like wings.)
Travel - Raptor
Flight - Pterrowing
tulip torrent
i really hate that trend among steamers
dense plover
only among lazy streamers
steel venture
It's just like "BLEH I DONT LIKE IT"
That's it. That's the entire video.
dense plover
Nobbel knows lore
tulip torrent
with such videos named : my thoughts on ...
dense plover
And at least slootbag tries
tulip torrent
its something different i like it too
dense plover
But humanoid
tulip sun
She seems to not understand that the form is not literally called bear/cat/moonkin form.
I mean spec
They are feral, guardian, restoration and balance
dense plover
She did 0 research
dense plover
She saw the images and went straight to outrage
steel venture
very rad as fuck that blizzard's using it
tulip sun
Post that picture under the video so she knows
uncut vault
I dont get the complaint about its butt
a) it doesnt have one
b) thats how dino tails work???
dense plover
I don’t think it’s specifically based on that
dense plover
I think it’s just based on their idea of half bird Dinos
Even though by the time dinosaurs had feathers it was all feathers
Not some
steel venture
If it's not, I'll be surprised. They didn't have to put bat wings on it.
floral nacelle
Is this a suitable place to be posting speculations, fellas?
dense plover
Tail wouldn’t worj
uncut vault
Well a lot of the dinos on zandalar, raptors especially, are feathered, look like more recent depictions of dinos
floral nacelle
I just came up with one that blew my mind.
steel venture
But the fact that it does, instantly made me think Yi Qi
dense plover
And the model looks cool
uncut vault
this one isnt an exception
dense plover
No they dont
Porter
Raptors were covered in fetahers
They didn’t have feather accents
They were fully covered
steel venture
The falcosaurs are the most accurate to IRL raptors at the moment.
uncut vault
more recent, not most recent
steel venture
Blizzard's at least regocnizing that there's SOME fathers on raptors now.
dense plover
The idea that dinosaurs had scales is from Jurassic park
steel venture
At the very least, that's unlike a LOT of games still.
dense plover
When they were making that movie they knew about feathers
steel venture
There was more reasoning to lack of feathers in the original book that wasn't explained until Jurassic World tbh.
hollow dock
The raptors we know
from WoD
and from Barrens
have them as accents
Falcosaurs are literally bird-raptors
steel venture
The original book was fully aware they had feathers, but the fact that they filled in the genetic code with non-avian species made the dinosaurs within Jurassic Park less saurian, more reptilian. And it was addressed by the orignal author and everything. @dense plover
hollow dock
Yup and in Jurassic World, an equally valid point was explained. They never shot for realistic.
steel venture
Mhm.
hollow dock
Realistically, a Velociraptor was never as large or terrifying as Jurassic Park showed
steel venture
It was like slightly bigger than a small dog.
hollow dock
Theyre were just 2-3 foot turkeys.
steel venture
smol.
could probably have as a pet if it wouldn't rip your face off / wasn't extinct
At the very least Blizzard does address that it's more likely dinosaurs in WoW are related to freaking dragons to explain their appearance.
hollow dock
also the Spino is confirmed to be a genetic mutant like the Indo Rex and Raptor.
I was so happy at that one
hollow dock
WHERES MY FOUR LEGGED ACTING SPINO BLIZZ
steel venture
Convergent evolution is still such a freaking awesome thing when looking at prehistoric animals.
Since now we know Spino basically filled in the "giant riverbed predator" nice that was no longer dominated by large crocodilians in the region.
niche*
hollow dock
Yup
tulip torrent
today i feel lucky
i sold a rapid mind pot for large bag of gold
even though there were way cheaper options
hollow dock
That's not to silly for WoW
glad edge
hey guys matched wit ha girl on tinder, what now
hollow dock
You go and hope its not a dude
rich apex
asking a WoW channel for dating advice
tulip sun
What do you mean thats not to silly for wow? o.o
hollow dock
Its a contiuation of the meme that clearly only the Pandaren are too silly for WoW.
Like 7/10 to much water.
meager warren
@tulip sun
You play WoW.
How is anything too silly for WoW
rich apex
J O H N J K E E S H A N
meager warren
who?
rich apex
The silliest thing in pre-MoP WoW
meager warren
no such thing as silliest in WoW
tropic trail
there's a lot more silly things than keeshan. Take the ungoro quests for example.
hollow dock
Cow people that transform into cats
Alexstrasza's outfit
Illidans Outfit
Malfurion
tropic trail
dogs that transform into cats
tropic trail
holy cows
meager warren
MURLOCS!
LEEROY JENKINS!
ALTERNATE UNIVERSES!
BRITISH WOLF DROODS!
NAGA!
DEMON ORCS!
VOID ELVES!
LIGHTFORGED DRAENEI!
ARGUS!
DEATH KNIGHTS!
tropic trail
wows always been a silly place, but it seems like it wasn't until around cata that they really started playing it up
at least imo
meager warren
mate, it started getting less silly around then
hollow dock
In Cata they took the, what I like to call, Whedon turn.
Its not that it became more silly, they just injected more humor into it while still taking itself seriously.
hollow dock
Like all of Whedons works, theyre all pretty serious and can be incredibly great stuff, but are also silly and humorous at times.
meager warren
Two lost civilizations that were supposedly sunk or whatever, returning
hollow dock
Well 1. A night elven city.
The naga raised the land from the depths, something theyve done in WC3.
meager warren
wat
hollow dock
Yup. Vash'jir appears off the coast because the Naga had risen the land upwards. Vash'jir itself is just a highborne city that sunk to the bottom of the ocean.
tropic trail
when did they raise land in WC3? I don't remember that
hollow dock
I could be wrong but I believe Maiev had said that the Naga rose the Broken Shore, or what was left of Suramar, that thy were ttraveling through to see the Tomb of Sargeras.
tropic trail
I'm not seeing that it was ever sunk again after gul'dan visited it
hollow dock
Intro
IconSmall NightElf Female.gif Naisha: Mistress, we followed Illidan's course due east as you asked, but these strange islands do not appear on any of our maps.
IconSmall Warden.gif Maiev Shadowsong: I suspected as much. These islands must have been formed only recently.
IconSmall NightElf Female.gif Naisha: What makes you say that?
IconSmall Warden.gif Maiev Shadowsong: The ruins all around us, Naisha... I recognize them. This was once the great city of Suramar, built before our civilization was blasted beneath the sea ten thousand years ago.
IconSmall NightElf Female.gif Naisha: But how could...Are you suggesting that these islands were somehow raised from the seafloor.
IconSmall Warden.gif Maiev Shadowsong: Perhaps, though there are few powers left in the world capable of raising islands from the deeps. Regardless, it's a mystery we'll have to solve later. We'd best head inland and set up a base camp. Once we're situated, we'll pick up Illidan's trail. Here, sisters. Let's establish a base so we can continue our hunt for Illidan.
ok it doesn't -specifically- say the naga
but I always attributed that line to the Naga
rich apex
I thought Gul'dan raised everything
Back when the islands didn't extend much beyond the Tomb
tropic trail
I think just the tomb, the rest of the islands were retconned to exist before he was there I guess
meager warren
ur telling me the Broken Isles existed before Legion?
wat
hollow dock
yea
rich apex
Kiiiiinda
meager warren
confuzzled
hollow dock
Most of the stuff we see in WoW is just expanded from Wc3.
meager warren
thanks for messing with the lore once again, Bliz
hollow dock
In which the Warcraft games never visit every local ever
tropic trail
pandaria is expanded from a single wc3 hero unit
hollow dock
just off handedly mention them
Yup
As is the Wandering Isle
All because of Chen Stormstout
tropic trail
although, for being based off of practically nothing, they did a pretty decent job
rich apex
Blizz does occasionally write new lore
hollow dock
eh it was an ok job :p
Its not really them messing with lore Arson, its just them expanding on it. In all fairness, Warcraft has only ever shown a very narrow scope of the world.
meager warren
PANDARIA WAS THE BEST EXPAC