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frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 4:38 AM

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This isn't a private conversation

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 4:38 AM

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Khamninkappa

tulip sun Feb 28, 2018, 4:38 AM

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Edgy, you obviously don't get what we are talking about. I was referring to something we discussed in pms earlier.

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I wasn't saying this was a private conversation

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:38 AM

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which is whether or not Sylvanas is evil.

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And it turns out, no one in the warcraft universe is evil

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There is just no evil

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 4:39 AM

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Vris gave me an update of what you were talking about, in pms

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seems clear

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 4:39 AM

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No, but if you continue a conversation from a private message in a public channel, expect people to weigh in based on the context of what they see

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 4:39 AM

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^

tulip sun Feb 28, 2018, 4:39 AM

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I was not mad about him weighing in.

untold fractal Feb 28, 2018, 4:39 AM

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I mean.... if you are talking about fundamental forces of the universe, I can see that there is no traditional evil. There is the Light, the Void, the Fel... but nothing classified as "evil"

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 4:39 AM

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great way to show it, huh?

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:39 AM

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noones mad here.

uncut vault Feb 28, 2018, 4:40 AM

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To quote the wise Locus walker, it is all about perspective.

tulip sun Feb 28, 2018, 4:40 AM

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Vris ended the conversation where we practically agreed to disagree.

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Vris is just playing rn

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:40 AM

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Nah I just told you Im wrong

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 4:40 AM

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"Truth is just a matter of perspective"
"Nothing is true, everything is permitted"

Perspective doesn't mean shit

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:40 AM

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So Im turning over a new leaf. No evil has ever existed in the warcraft universe as no one can ever truly be evil.

tulip sun Feb 28, 2018, 4:40 AM

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What porter said is the summary of what I have been trying to say.

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:41 AM

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Gul'dan? just misunderstood.

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 4:41 AM

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I think it can be put this way; there is no completely objective evil, but there's an abundance of subjective evil.

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:41 AM

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Lich King? Just a joker.

untold fractal Feb 28, 2018, 4:41 AM

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the saracasm so thick it could be sliced with a butter knife

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:41 AM

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I'm not bein sarcastic.

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Evil just simply doesn't exist.

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 4:42 AM

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slavery may not be evil but it's certainly fucking shitty.

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as such, Sylvanas is shitty and has done shitty shit

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:42 AM

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but never evil. As no ones evil.

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 4:42 AM

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no vris

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 4:42 AM

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ofc not

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 4:42 AM

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youre being an ass

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:42 AM

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That's what Khamnin said.

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 4:42 AM

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no its not

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 4:42 AM

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peach, it's exactly what they said

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 4:43 AM

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khamnin said evil isnt black and white

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:43 AM

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Theyve told me no ones really evil. Its just perspective.

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 4:43 AM

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which is true

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it is perspective though

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 4:43 AM

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peach

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:43 AM

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Which is why there is no evil

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 4:43 AM

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you see someone as evil

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it isnt a fact

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thats how evil fucking works

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if you dont like that, too bad

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:43 AM

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They can't be evil because from someone elses perspective

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they're not evil

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 4:43 AM

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theyre evil from your perspective

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thats how perspective works

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:43 AM

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nah because from someone elses perspective

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they aren't

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 4:44 AM

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We as players consider Gul'dan evil, but his followers wouldn't. It's not to say there's no evil, there's just no absolute evil.

tulip sun Feb 28, 2018, 4:44 AM

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^^^^

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:44 AM

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Here lemme show ya what I mean.

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 4:44 AM

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That doesn't remove the existence of evil period.

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 4:44 AM

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that's assuming that evil is an objective concept while it is inherently subjective.
No two definitions of the word are the same. It's also kinda ironic to say that "Evil isn't black and white" when evil is supposed to be either one of those or the other.

tulip sun Feb 28, 2018, 4:44 AM

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Most characters are not black and white

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Seb gave a good example for Gul'dan.

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:45 AM

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Yes it does.

tulip sun Feb 28, 2018, 4:45 AM

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Hell, that is kinda the theme now. Even the void and light are not black and white

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They are gray

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:45 AM

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Evil just simply doesn't exist because our perspective dont mean shit

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 4:45 AM

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yea, i consider myself a pos but some of my acquaintances don't.
Does that mean i am objectively a piece of shit? No. It means it's subjective.

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 4:46 AM

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Vris has gone too far into taking the piss now for rational suggestions to matter cx

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 4:46 AM

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i agree with Vris tbh

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 4:46 AM

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Just because the presence of evil is subjective doesn't mean that there is no evil whatsoever

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 4:47 AM

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no, it means evil is a muddy concept and it cannot be objectively defined.
as such, there is no objective evil, whatsoever.

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 4:47 AM

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Exactly

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But that doesn't mean that there's no such thing as evil

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:47 AM

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Exactly

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evil just doesn't exist

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 4:47 AM

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A person can be considered evil or have evil tendencies

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 4:48 AM

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it does mean there's no such thing as evil.
No two definitions are the same

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 4:48 AM

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By that definition nothing exists

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:48 AM

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Nothing does exist

untold fractal Feb 28, 2018, 4:48 AM

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I feel like we are having this conversation in the context of the real world, not a fantasy world where definitive, real forces are at work.

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 4:48 AM

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Color doesn't exist because some people are colorblind

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 4:48 AM

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"truth is a matter of perspective"

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"You are the imagination of yourselves"

untold fractal Feb 28, 2018, 4:49 AM

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post-modernist scum 😛

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 4:49 AM

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Nihilism is a crock of shit

vague igloo Feb 28, 2018, 4:49 AM

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https://pa1.narvii.com/5821/0b83603fa5ed0eb83a4d7fea02d5a6a726d7de2c_hq.gif

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change pirates and marines for horde and alliance

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 4:50 AM

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Nihilism is a crock of shit.
Everything is shit.
That's the entire premise of nihilism.

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 4:51 AM

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Nihilism's presence isn't that everything is shit

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Just that nothing has meaning

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 4:51 AM

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it's that everything is meaningless

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 4:51 AM

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And that nothing truly exists

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It's the philosophical viewpoint of people who are too lazy to find meaning

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 4:52 AM

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"Ma, get the LSD out! Someone needs to be learnt up on nihilism"

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i can admit that i am lazy.
However, for me to say that i have meaning is for me to denounce my own control of my life

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 4:53 AM

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How so?

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 4:54 AM

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if i have "meaning" or am "meant" to be or do or whatever, something...
then what's the point of living

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 4:55 AM

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Meaning is self-defined and self-sustained. If you decide what's meaningful to you is to be content and enjoy your life, then the pursuit of that is what's meaningful

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I'm not talking about pre-ordained or singular meaning. A person's life can have many different meanings.

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 4:56 AM

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I can be content and not have meaning at the same time

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 4:56 AM

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That doesn't mean that the universe has no meaning, which is the premise of nihilism

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That just means you haven't defined or pursued meaning for yourself in your own life

untold fractal Feb 28, 2018, 4:58 AM

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So about those zandalari trolls.... >.>

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 5:01 AM

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The universe was formed in an unknown way and it's set to go out in an unknown way.
Billions, if not trillions of years of life and beauty destroyed to become something else.
If humanity is set to die, why do we possess the innate drive to explore, discover, and survive?
Call me lazy for holding this viewpoint as much as you want. However, as i'm sure you know, we each have our own perceptions.
I can have an epic life without clinging to "meaning"

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 5:03 AM

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That's the meaning you've given it though. We don't disagree, really. I'm just saying if, for example, one person feels that having close friends and relationships is what's meaningful to them, then that's meaning that their life has. The lack of completely subjective meaning or pre-ordained meaning doesn't remove the existence of all meaning.

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But true enough, this is way off-topic, so anyway

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 5:03 AM

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this happens every day here, are you new?

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 5:03 AM

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Nope

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 5:04 AM

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:khadgarface:

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 5:04 AM

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Uh, is there any reason that your emjois don't work?

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 5:04 AM

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not sure

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 5:04 AM

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khadgarface

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Hm, seems to be you~

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 5:04 AM

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yep

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I can do standard emojis but not wowhead ones.
❤ 😃 😦 :khadgarface:

untold fractal Feb 28, 2018, 5:07 AM

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khadgarface

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weird

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does your discord need an update?

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 5:07 AM

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probably. how do i update it?

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 5:08 AM

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Somewhere in the top right near the search box should be a green arrow

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If there's an update available

untold fractal Feb 28, 2018, 5:08 AM

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if your on pc there should be a little green arrow in the upper right side of the window

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 5:09 AM

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i use browser discord

untold fractal Feb 28, 2018, 5:09 AM

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.... download discord

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 5:09 AM

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already doing that

untold fractal Feb 28, 2018, 5:09 AM

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good

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that will probably fix it

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 5:10 AM

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can we get back to talking about conjectures about bfa

untold fractal Feb 28, 2018, 5:10 AM

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by all means

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 5:10 AM

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Mogu Allied race confirmed

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:10 AM

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Everyones an allied race.

untold fractal Feb 28, 2018, 5:11 AM

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Vris is an allied rice

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 5:11 AM

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http://prntscr.com/ikqfzo
redGymer is an allied race

Lightshot

Screenshot

Captured with Lightshot

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:11 AM

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I am the only true allied race.

untold fractal Feb 28, 2018, 5:12 AM

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I said rice not race

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 5:12 AM

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@frosty matrix quote for u above

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:13 AM

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http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/49/4956fda5e617b78f504b0539a4553b8727f567cf333aef92f1386e5c1892e8fc.jpg Arson.

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 5:13 AM

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topkek

untold fractal Feb 28, 2018, 5:14 AM

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im really excited for the island instances

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:15 AM

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theyre just islands with some slightly altered NPCs

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 5:15 AM

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excitement is for plebs

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:15 AM

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I dont see what's so exciting about them

untold fractal Feb 28, 2018, 5:15 AM

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they look like good fun

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 5:15 AM

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I can't wait to see what some of the other NPC teams are called

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:15 AM

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considering the devs said theyre supposed to be 20-40 mins

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they do not sound fun

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at all

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 5:16 AM

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I'm in the camp that reckons that's what the "Jaina's Angels" team that was datamined was from

untold fractal Feb 28, 2018, 5:16 AM

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i mean i would rather do then then the same dungeons over and over and over again

sudden oak Feb 28, 2018, 5:16 AM

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im excited about the straight forsaken if we get it in the end

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 5:16 AM

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I can't figure your stance here; is that too long or too short

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:16 AM

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I mean. Its eitehr that or they're the dudes that jailbreak us

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to long

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 5:16 AM

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Plot twist: Jaina's Angel's is a guild of WoW devs

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:16 AM

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WAY to long

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 5:16 AM

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20 minutes is too long?

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:16 AM

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for a single instance that has 3 of my friends

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yes

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 5:16 AM

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I don't think they're really meant to be a casual thing

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:17 AM

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Everything in this game is casual. My friends and I are not casuals by most means.

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We greatly enjoy the Mythic+ system, except the dungeons like HoV because of the length it takes to actually clear it.

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 5:17 AM

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I mean, we don't have a lot of details about them, so I think saying that 20 minutes is too long is jumping the gun a little

untold fractal Feb 28, 2018, 5:18 AM

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they are for three man teams, doesnt sound like something that needs to be planned and prepared for. sounds casual to me

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:18 AM

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^

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The most we ever really tolerate is like 18-20 mins. For that to be the minimum is not enticing at all.

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 5:18 AM

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They're not gonna be on the same levels, but isn't that like saying that since there's only two of you in 2s, that you don't need to plan or prepare?

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:19 AM

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In PVP its a bit different as you have to take so much more into consideration

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which for the PVP version of the island stuff, yes it will take that

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 5:19 AM

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You know these CAN be PvP, right?

untold fractal Feb 28, 2018, 5:19 AM

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well you can prepare, but since they are randomly generated, yoiu can only plan so much

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:19 AM

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but for PVE, which is the majority of the playerbase

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and where me and my friends reside

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 5:19 AM

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I dunno. To me it doesn't sound like a lot of time.

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:19 AM

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small group content that takes 20-40 minutes

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which is half of our raid night

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is a bit on the long side

untold fractal Feb 28, 2018, 5:20 AM

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also the pvp ones are more than likely going to PvPvE, with both differing teams plus the random group of mobs thrown in to make things more complicated

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 5:20 AM

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It's all conjecture anyway, so we have to wait and see

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:20 AM

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Dont sound fun for raiders like me.

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 5:20 AM

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Where did that 20-40 minute thing come from? I don't remember reading that in any of the articles I've seen on the islands

untold fractal Feb 28, 2018, 5:20 AM

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isnt it all a little bit conjecture at this point

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:20 AM

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Blizzocn

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 5:20 AM

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Raiders routinely spend several hours a night, what's your point?

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 5:20 AM

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wait, ur a raider but you can't handle 20 min

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raids are so long

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:21 AM

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On small group content

untold fractal Feb 28, 2018, 5:21 AM

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Raiders are going to raid, casual players will probably enjoy it a lot more

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:21 AM

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We don't mind spending entire nights on a few bosses with a bunch of our friends because so much more hilarity can come of it

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but when its you and two other sausages, the time spent tends to not be as fun

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 5:22 AM

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even if there's like 25+ people in a single raid, it can take like 15-30 min

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 5:22 AM

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So you're already making a judgement on how much you're going to enjoy something, based on its time window given at Blizzcon and what scant information we have so far?

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:22 AM

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I'm just saying an opinion based on the information we have.

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Jesus

untold fractal Feb 28, 2018, 5:22 AM

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If you like to coordinate with a bunch of people that is good for you, but there are some of us that only have a few friends that play together, and who have a lot of fun playing together. So... 3 man teams on teh island sounds tons of fun those those kind of people

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 5:22 AM

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people sure like attacking others for their opinion here 🤔

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:22 AM

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It doesn't sound enticing

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that's it

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 5:22 AM

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I don't take issue with it. I just don't think I've ever heard someone who plays WoW with any kind of frequency say that 20 minutes is too much of a time investment

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So I was kinda flummoxed

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I was honestly trying to figure out if you were kidding

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:23 AM

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Alright so the reason I say that

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as you clearly don't understand where I'm coming from

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 5:23 AM

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Vris is kidding about 80% of the time, but idk about right now

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:24 AM

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Raiders like me do care about our time spent. We don't like having to spend 30-40 minutes on a single dungeon when we could clear 5-6 of a smaller one in the same amount of time

untold fractal Feb 28, 2018, 5:24 AM

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i get what you are saying, you are saying that for those who raid, and who have a lot of fun coordinating with a large group of people, where anything can happen, may not find small group content as entertaining.

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:24 AM

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that's why people absolutely hated and even destroyed their HoV keys at the start of legion. No one in their right mind would run the place.

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 5:25 AM

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I raid, but I'm not a min-maxer, so I guess I don't really care

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:25 AM

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For people like me, if its not efficient then its not really fun.

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That's why they drastically bumped up HoV's rewards, now they are -sorta- worth it but still not really as the place is still a ballache to get through

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 5:26 AM

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I personally view efficiency as being more about simplification over time investment

untold fractal Feb 28, 2018, 5:26 AM

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I think Im going to have a lot of fun with them. A couple of friends and I, spending 15-30 minutes running around on an island, with random obstacles. Sounds good to me

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:27 AM

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and that's great. It just doesn't sound all that enticing to me unless there's really good rewards off of it.

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 5:27 AM

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I'm really curious to see about this advanced AI they were talking about for the faux-PvP NPCs

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The fun can't be the reward? 😄

untold fractal Feb 28, 2018, 5:27 AM

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Wont they have something to do with the Heart of Azeroth we are getting?

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:27 AM

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But these islands, again based on all the information we have, is our Azerite farm

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So if they're not worth the time spent, then they won't be as fun.

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 5:28 AM

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I think I'm too easy to please in that regard

untold fractal Feb 28, 2018, 5:28 AM

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Im pretty easy to please as well.

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 5:28 AM

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sucks for both of u

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 5:28 AM

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I'd rather have fun than rank what's "worth" the time

untold fractal Feb 28, 2018, 5:28 AM

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why's that Troll?

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:28 AM

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For us, what's worth the time is fun.

untold fractal Feb 28, 2018, 5:29 AM

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What's worth your time Vris?

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:29 AM

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that's why we raid, its worth our time and is fun.

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 5:29 AM

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if you're easy to entertain, you don't know entertainment

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 5:30 AM

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You caught me. I'm a fucking worthless scrub who doesn't know art if it bites me in the ass.

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:30 AM

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Progression at a very manageable pace that is both rewarding and fufilling. Like I can walk away saying 'Yea. I got something I can use out of this to get myself further in the game.'

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That's what's fun to me.

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 5:30 AM

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Enjoying having fun with friends means that you don't know entertainment, guys. Pass it on.

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:30 AM

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If that's how you have fun, then by all means. Knock yourself out.

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Its just now how I have fun and why these islands do not sound at all enticing.

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 5:31 AM

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I was taking the piss out of Troll cx

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 5:31 AM

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wow, you sure caught me!
i'll let you know when your words affect me

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 5:32 AM

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You can't pass judgement on whether people "know entertainment" if someone is easy to please. That's just elitism.

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:32 AM

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Arson's pretty elitist.

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 5:34 AM

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my name is also troll

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99.999% of what i say is trolling

untold fractal Feb 28, 2018, 5:35 AM

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good to know, ill take you much less seriously from now on

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 5:36 AM

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thank you

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 5:36 AM

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I guess being in high school is pretty boring these days

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 5:36 AM

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are you using ad hominem?

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 5:37 AM

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Nope. You mentioned elsewhere that you started on WoW about ten years ago when you were around eight

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 5:38 AM

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no, i mentioned that i heard about it 10 years ago

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at least learn to read

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 5:39 AM

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Nah, takes too much time

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:39 AM

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reading is hard

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 5:40 AM

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Word

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 5:41 AM

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i get reading is hard but if you're gonna make a statement like that unironically when a simple Ctrl+F can prove otherwise, what u doin'

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 5:41 AM

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I dunno my dude

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Mostly laughing that your only protest to what I flippantly referred to was the part that had no relevance to the point I was making

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 5:42 AM

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what?

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 5:42 AM

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You asked if I was using ad hominem by "assuming" you were roughly high school age. I said the bit about what I read you saying earlier, and the only thing you had objection with was that you heard about WoW, not played it

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Gotta try a little harder with your trolling I guess

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 5:43 AM

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no.
i asked if u were using ad hominem by your addition of "boring" in the sentence

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 5:43 AM

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That wasn't

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............can you read?

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I said that high school must be boring

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If you're bored enough to troll that often

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Boy, the point was like the ISS for you on that one

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 5:44 AM

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i may be somewhat dyslexic so somewhat not.
But yes, school is boring.
Why u assumin' that it is based on how much i troll?

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 5:45 AM

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Because if it wasn't boring and was keeping you busy, you'd have better things to do

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 5:45 AM

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schools aren't meant to be prison

untold fractal Feb 28, 2018, 5:45 AM

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...

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 5:45 AM

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r/im14andthisisdeep

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 5:46 AM

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/r/whoosh
/r/im40andthisissmart

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 5:46 AM

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I didn't know dyslexia affected one's ability to perceive sarcasm

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 5:46 AM

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i didn't know stupidity affected one's ability to perceive sarcasm

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 5:47 AM

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I'm so sorry this is how you found out

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 5:47 AM

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❤

untold fractal Feb 28, 2018, 5:47 AM

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this is my favorite place to be on the internet right now ❤

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 5:47 AM

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same

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 5:49 AM

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Mine is still that website where you can buy live ladybugs

untold fractal Feb 28, 2018, 5:50 AM

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lady bugs are pests

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pretty pests, but still pests

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:50 AM

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you know who the real pests are?

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 5:51 AM

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ants

untold fractal Feb 28, 2018, 5:51 AM

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@meager warren and @frosty matrix ?

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 5:51 AM

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?

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 5:51 AM

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Hey now, I'm not a pest. I'm an invasive species. Get it right.

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:51 AM

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Everyone not me.

untold fractal Feb 28, 2018, 5:51 AM

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LOL

meager warren Feb 28, 2018, 5:51 AM

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my job is to be a pest

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gn

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:52 AM

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wanna know what you call a group of humans?

untold fractal Feb 28, 2018, 5:53 AM

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a plague?

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:54 AM

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an infestation

untold fractal Feb 28, 2018, 5:54 AM

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sounds abour right

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about*

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 6:02 AM

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We are the S̢ͅW̬̬͘À̜̳R̢͉̩M̱͙

untold fractal Feb 28, 2018, 6:06 AM

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Im getting flash backs to World War Z here

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 6:09 AM

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FOR THE SWARM

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FOR THE QUEEN OF BLADES

subtle flower Feb 28, 2018, 6:27 AM

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Hm, you know, with this new change and I think another I remember, I think they're trying to remove the paladin reliance on Judgement.

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 6:35 AM

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I'd like to see some of the range flexibility return to ret pally

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We lost quite a bit of mid-distance utility at one point

subtle flower Feb 28, 2018, 6:38 AM

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Ah, really? I didn't know that.

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 6:39 AM

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I missed the actual change, but before I took a hiatus, there were some abilities and talents that let us do more from a little outside of melee range

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Nothing hunter caliber, mind

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It'll be interesting to see what they do. Chasing the Judgement window is a bit too 'samey' with some other classes, but it's a lot better than what I remember of ret-build pallies in mid-game vanilla when different blessings would apply different effects to your Judgement targets

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Blessing for higher holy damage taken > Judgement > Blessing for holy dot > Judgement > Minor burst inside both windows > Repeat

subtle flower Feb 28, 2018, 6:48 AM

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Removing reliance on it for ret could end up being a good thing.

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 6:50 AM

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Oh definitely. Could be very freeing in terms of rotation

vast roost Feb 28, 2018, 7:19 AM

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Oh boy, this place sure is a cesspool.

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I love it.

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Smug

mint arch Feb 28, 2018, 10:13 AM

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man, yall being naughty

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https://animeafterlifepodcast.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/1330201140192.jpg

tropic trail Feb 28, 2018, 11:30 AM

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Alliance or horde?

vast roost Feb 28, 2018, 11:32 AM

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Both.

mint arch Feb 28, 2018, 11:33 AM

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alliance and horde without sylvanas

strange falcon Feb 28, 2018, 11:33 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/369452979071483908/418215976090206232/0d2m2uvb7ui01.png
I don't play shitty alliance,but this made me chuckle

vast roost Feb 28, 2018, 11:34 AM

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Faction elitism.

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Lawl

tropic trail Feb 28, 2018, 11:34 AM

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Zandalari master race

vast roost Feb 28, 2018, 11:35 AM

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Do you think Dark Iron Dwarf pubes are on fire as well?

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ablobthinkingeyes

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 11:35 AM

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Yes

vast roost Feb 28, 2018, 11:35 AM

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Lit.

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Literally.

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 11:36 AM

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Lit as fuck fam

vast roost Feb 28, 2018, 11:36 AM

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LitFam

strange falcon Feb 28, 2018, 11:36 AM

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only the tip is on fire

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 11:36 AM

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Nah it's all on fire

mint arch Feb 28, 2018, 11:36 AM

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🔥

vast roost Feb 28, 2018, 11:36 AM

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Flamin' hot pubes.

mint arch Feb 28, 2018, 11:37 AM

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made for sum dragon action

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🔥

vast roost Feb 28, 2018, 11:40 AM

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Also I guess I'll have two druids on my server.

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Because I want both Highmountain & Zandalari FeelsLifeMan

strange falcon Feb 28, 2018, 11:41 AM

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making two characters of the same class is the highest level of pure madness and time wasting

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khadgarface

vast roost Feb 28, 2018, 11:41 AM

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Yeah but.

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What do you do when you run out of classes.

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But new races are added.

strange falcon Feb 28, 2018, 11:41 AM

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you race change your old characters

vast roost Feb 28, 2018, 11:41 AM

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Uhm.

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No.

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Disgusting.

strange falcon Feb 28, 2018, 11:42 AM

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you chose to be an altoholic

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its your problem now

vast roost Feb 28, 2018, 11:42 AM

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I choose not to spend money on race changes.

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stockDisgust

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I also want heritage armour, but that's beside the point.

strange falcon Feb 28, 2018, 11:42 AM

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the fact you don't race change doesn't mean you should have all classes at max lvl

vast roost Feb 28, 2018, 11:43 AM

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Yeah but I want to.

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Besides it's not like there's much else to do mmLol

strange falcon Feb 28, 2018, 11:45 AM

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there's a lot to do

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you just don't see it

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because you're blinded by the mass of characters you have

vast roost Feb 28, 2018, 11:45 AM

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I actually only have 4 110s, but ok buddy.

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HHHHHH

strange falcon Feb 28, 2018, 11:48 AM

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then how come you run out of classes

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🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔

vast roost Feb 28, 2018, 11:48 AM

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I haven't? I was fucking with you? ameowsipbfast

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ameowsipbfast

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The toxicity of our server, our server.

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vioTOXIC

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 11:59 AM

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Pls this is a christian channel with no evil on It

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Think of the children

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Also Dafire, I actully have every class at 100+. I have four dks and three hunters. Fit me.

vast roost Feb 28, 2018, 12:03 PM

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ohshit

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 12:04 PM

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Why multiple of the same class? It never occurred to me to do that

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Is there a particular reason?

languid yoke Feb 28, 2018, 12:05 PM

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if you want to play different races on same class?

frosty matrix Feb 28, 2018, 12:06 PM

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Ooohh right

languid yoke Feb 28, 2018, 12:06 PM

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personally I have everything on both factions

vast roost Feb 28, 2018, 12:06 PM

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Well I have two Hunters, because I transferred one because of guild stuff.

languid yoke Feb 28, 2018, 12:06 PM

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doesn't mean I play them actively

vast roost Feb 28, 2018, 12:06 PM

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Also that, race class combos.

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Class fantasies and so forth.

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Also allied races, maybe you already had a warlock, but now void elves are a thing and you really want a void elf warlock.

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There's a lot of reasons vioSHRUG

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Personally I've just gone with whichever race fits the class the most, in my own opinion. Regardless of faction, having one of each on both factions is a bit much for me.

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 12:34 PM

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I just do it for race combos. I also make so many different ones for different spec/gear focuses and transmogs. Like I have a hunter fully dedicated to survival, a hunter fully dedocated to MM and one to BM. A DK for all three specs and one for PVP.

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Rather than overhauling my UI when I swap specs, I just swap the characters.

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Its what I do in times of content drought

tulip sun Feb 28, 2018, 12:36 PM

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That must have taken ages

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All my characters are for RP purposes, so mine are not as diverse.

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 12:37 PM

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Mops dought, catas drought, wraths drought and WoDs drought

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Every expacs had a drought. Ive just taken advantage rather than bitch and moan.

zinc sandal Feb 28, 2018, 12:40 PM

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You can make a lot of gold with all those characters

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 12:40 PM

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Yea. But Im lazy and dont want to blood grind for the resources needed.

vast roost Feb 28, 2018, 12:41 PM

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I just fish.

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PepeL

zinc sandal Feb 28, 2018, 12:41 PM

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I use the BoS to make Potion of Prolonged Power

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 12:41 PM

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I just obliterate. I got control of the obliterum market on my server

vast roost Feb 28, 2018, 12:42 PM

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I am a fish tycoon.

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Jk, I don't play the AH.

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Too lazy.

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HYPERL

zinc sandal Feb 28, 2018, 12:42 PM

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I don’t play the AH, I don’t have the time

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I just do Blood and Gold WQs and that’s it

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 12:43 PM

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I just buy out anything below 20k and sell em out.

zinc sandal Feb 28, 2018, 12:43 PM

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I get 1.2k gold per stack of prolonged power

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And I only need 10 Bloods

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 12:44 PM

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If we talkin pure efficiency

zinc sandal Feb 28, 2018, 12:44 PM

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The other way I produced a batch of them and I had so many it took me 10 minutes to craft them all

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 12:44 PM

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And if you have the characters to do it, every blood is priced at 1.2-1.5k raw gold

zinc sandal Feb 28, 2018, 12:44 PM

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How?

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 12:44 PM

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Order resources

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Which are used for gold missions.

zinc sandal Feb 28, 2018, 12:45 PM

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So you just put blood in the AH or what?

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 12:45 PM

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Nope

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Turn the bloods into the BOA resource caches

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Send em to your alts and just do the good missions

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Gold*

zinc sandal Feb 28, 2018, 12:46 PM

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I have like... 3 alts only so

vast roost Feb 28, 2018, 12:46 PM

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More alts is more money.

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saneinthemembrane

zinc sandal Feb 28, 2018, 12:46 PM

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And 50k+ resources on my main

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 12:46 PM

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Thats why I said if yoy have the characters to do it

zinc sandal Feb 28, 2018, 12:46 PM

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shrug

vast roost Feb 28, 2018, 12:46 PM

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Time to level my DK, my DH, all my allied races.

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Everything saneinthemembrane

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Jk, I hardly have time for that with school and also mythic raiding twice a week.

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saneinthemembrane

zinc sandal Feb 28, 2018, 12:48 PM

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After leveling my Lightforged to 110 I need a break before leveling the other 3 races

zinc sandal Feb 28, 2018, 1:47 PM

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Funny how everyone loves the Zandalari druid forms except troll players

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 1:50 PM

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Always someone that isnt happy with it

terse patrol Feb 28, 2018, 1:58 PM

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why would you not want to be a dinosaur tho

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 1:58 PM

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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Im about to betray my only values so I can transform into a dinosaur

vast roost Feb 28, 2018, 1:59 PM

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It's not fair to the other druid races.

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OMEGALULJOY

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 2:00 PM

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it really isn

languid yoke Feb 28, 2018, 2:00 PM

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give me saberon form back as worgen cat drood thanks

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 2:00 PM

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Which now I can garuntee, the druid community is going to demand the other races get racial druid forms now

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Saberon was such a garbo talent tho

languid yoke Feb 28, 2018, 2:01 PM

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it was best talent

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and more importantly, it had saberon form.

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 2:04 PM

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Bloodtalons overpowered it tho

tulip sun Feb 28, 2018, 2:04 PM

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I feel like they eventually will

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Or make it even with custom forms for kul tirans, then leave the rest

languid yoke Feb 28, 2018, 2:05 PM

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yeah but at that time I didn't raid at all and for doing things outside healing without exiting cat form was comfortable

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and I was an anthro cat

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why would kul tirans be druids

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 2:06 PM

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They're descendant from Gilneans.

tulip sun Feb 28, 2018, 2:06 PM

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They already are in alpha apparently

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 2:06 PM

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Whom have always had semi-druidism

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Harvest Witches!

vast roost Feb 28, 2018, 2:13 PM

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Kul Tiran druids? ameowwhat

strange falcon Feb 28, 2018, 2:13 PM

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vris worgen can be druids only because the worgen form gives them a really close tie with the scythe of elune

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 2:51 PM

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Not true at all

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Gilneans have the Harvest Witches, humans intune with nature to help grow their harvests. These are essentially pseudo druids for all intents and purposes.

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https://wow.gamepedia.com/Harvest-witch You may read for yourself, the gilnean worgen get more powerful as druids, but Gilneans have always had the basics in their society.

Wowpedia

Harvest-witch

cloud orbit Feb 28, 2018, 3:02 PM

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Harvest Witches are kinda the same thing for Gilneans as Valewalkers are for night elven druids.

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The use the forces of nature, but to a limited extend because they haven't a 'formal' understanding of it, since it came from Cenarius. Night elves had the knowledge given to them directly, and later passed them on to Gilneans

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Which just allowed them to tap into their full potential.

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:05 PM

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Indeed! Until Cata, the Harvest Witches werejust used tospeed up crop production. With Kul'tiras beinga Gilnean colony that flourished into a kingdom, it makes sense that they'd bring along these same Harvest Witches to help grow sustainable crops. Like Gilneas when the Light was introduced, Kul'tiran Druids may have been pushed to the brink by the time we arrive, but they still exist. Still are there and willing to teach.

strange falcon Feb 28, 2018, 3:06 PM

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human druids tho

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just the idea feels weird

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:06 PM

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Gilneans were humandruids before going worgen.

strange falcon Feb 28, 2018, 3:07 PM

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yeah,but you kinda expect a giant wolf to be a druid design wise

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:07 PM

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I expect humans to be the same.

strange falcon Feb 28, 2018, 3:07 PM

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you dont expect a fat human to be a druid

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:07 PM

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I play games like Witcher where Druids are humans.

strange falcon Feb 28, 2018, 3:07 PM

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because the witcher doesnt have many friendly races

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that arent humans elves

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dwarfs

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:08 PM

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I love fantasy and the pagan stuff, so its very natural and common for me to see a human druid. Because that's where the belief stmes from.

strange falcon Feb 28, 2018, 3:08 PM

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not saying that human druid hasnt been done in many other games before

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:08 PM

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or real life

strange falcon Feb 28, 2018, 3:08 PM

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just that it feels weird for a fat human

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to be a druid

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:09 PM

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Kul'tirans aren't just fat humans. theyre skinny, or normal humansfor us.

strange falcon Feb 28, 2018, 3:09 PM

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yeah,but since both skinny and fat option are probably bundled in the same race

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you can't stop ppl from making fat human druids

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:09 PM

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You can't stop people from making a british dog that shapeshifts into abear, cat or seal ion either.

strange falcon Feb 28, 2018, 3:10 PM

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well as i said

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you kind of expect a british dog

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to be a druid

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:10 PM

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Givent he context of worgen, yea I do. But I dont see how a human druid is weird at all. Again given the context that human druids have existed both in our natural history and most fantasy.

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For the most time I actually felt it weird that humans didn't have any semblence of druidism in WoW. Until Cata.

strange falcon Feb 28, 2018, 3:11 PM

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i'm not saying human druids are werid per se,just that they're not even normal humans,

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at least normal humans would look decent as druids

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but FAT humans

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that's weird

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#fatshaming

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:11 PM

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A human whom is fat, skinny, hulk o whatever is still a human.

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Like, what about fat rogues?

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Hunters? Warriors?

strange falcon Feb 28, 2018, 3:15 PM

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fat hunters and warriors arent weird

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fat rogues is the entire reason we dont have tauren rogues

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:17 PM

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Pandaren.

sharp bluff Feb 28, 2018, 3:17 PM

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That we can see

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:17 PM

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So a fat warrior charing and leaping around with inhuman strength and finese isnt weird

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:17 PM

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Strongmen.

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Strongmen literally are husky, muscular guys.

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Not bodybuilders.

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:18 PM

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A hunter whom survives off the land and lives in the wilds with his beast dodging peril at everyturn isnt weird

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Yes but strongmen are all pure muscle

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Not fat

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Fat is all flub and chub

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:18 PM

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except.... strongmen literally are usually ectomorphs?

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and do have less definition and even rather rounded stomachs

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physical definition =/= actual strength of the person

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or actual muscle either

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just because you can SEE abs doesnt mean the person could actually do something with them, not all of the time

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hence why bodybuilders are actually super fucking unhealthy and usually end up getting caught using steroids, have eating disorders, and even may implant silicon to get the "SUPER BUFF!" look when they're ACTUALLY not

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:20 PM

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Alright Ill give ya that

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But here in the context of WoW

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Fat druida are weird but fat warriors arent

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:22 PM

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lmao literally pandaren can be warriors and they're twice as fat as kul tirans

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also rogues too

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so its like

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y'all

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not to mention pandaren literally jiggle. @strange falcon

strange falcon Feb 28, 2018, 3:23 PM

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yeah but pandaren have paws

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they dont make sound when walking

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:23 PM

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...... um

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so won't padded shoes?

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dude.
paws mean nothing
actually the common argument against tauren or draenei rogues mkes NO SENSE

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because a hoof without a metal shoe on it is actually very quiet

strange falcon Feb 28, 2018, 3:24 PM

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i dont even want to get on the argument

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:24 PM

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kinda already did since your complaints against kul tirans being a certain literally are already done by pandaren so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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also hell why wouldn't kul tirans get rogues
OUTLAW = LITERALLY. PIRATES.

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:26 PM

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The most interesting thing is kul titans might get druids

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Which in a way isn’t impossible considering they are descended from gilneans

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:27 PM

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yea! which would be really cool actually

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:27 PM

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Yes it would

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:27 PM

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and gilneans can shapeshift. despite the arguments against it

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:27 PM

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Human druids

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:27 PM

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genn said that kaldorei shapeshifting reminded him of harvest witches

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during his short story

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:27 PM

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Plus it would allow the alliance to also get cool shapeshift forms

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Since the druids of kul tiras probably had to learn through experimentation

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Just like how zandalari druids have different forms because they get their powers from different loa

strange falcon Feb 28, 2018, 3:28 PM

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imagine a giant parrot

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as flight form

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:28 PM

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... or yknow
a kestrel falcon

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like we're getting on kul tiras

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like we're getting a BUNCH of predatory birds on kul tiras

strange falcon Feb 28, 2018, 3:29 PM

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or a horse for travel form lul

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:29 PM

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a wild horse as a form actually would be fucking scary. i don't see your point

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:29 PM

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I think something more different would be cool considering zandalari get a pterrodax

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:29 PM

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have you ever seen how mustangs are? they're horrifying when untamed

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:29 PM

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Horse form would be cool

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:29 PM

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a wild mustang would kill you.

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:29 PM

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Can’t imagine a bear or cat form

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:30 PM

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there are bears on kul tiras, but idk if it'll be the form

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:30 PM

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They could always go with visuals inspired by the runic wood stuff in drustvar

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:30 PM

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..................... yknow the REAL kicker would be if ... this gives us a wolf form though.

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:30 PM

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Use that wolf thing as a basis for cat form

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That wood spirit thing

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:30 PM

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there's no big cats from what we can see on kul tiras

strange falcon Feb 28, 2018, 3:30 PM

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wolf form for cat form HMMMMMMMMMMMM

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:31 PM

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and, hey. you could play up the monster-hunting theme with that

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:31 PM

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We still don’t know the zandalari cat form

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I imagine they are going to stick with reptiles

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:31 PM

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harvest witches / warlocks turning into wolves?

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no wonder they're getting hunted down

shy elbow Feb 28, 2018, 3:31 PM

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Big BFA SPOILER INCOMING BE READY!!!

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:31 PM

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in short

shy elbow Feb 28, 2018, 3:31 PM

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We gonna get new gear and transmog

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OMG

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:31 PM

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Thanks for your helpful info

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I’m so glad you came to contribute

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:31 PM

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it would be a REALLY good idea to use a wolf tbh to explain the mistrust lol

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:32 PM

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I mean

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Hex magic is enough to cause mistrust

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:32 PM

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and just, some human turning into a literal wolf screams "black magic" themes that'd cause panic

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especially that we see witch trials going on

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:32 PM

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I don’t know

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It’s not really any different from turning into a cat

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The witch trials center on hex magic

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Not all magic

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:33 PM

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Albatross flight form

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:33 PM

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differing stigma on why it's different

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:33 PM

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Hell, Catherine proudmoore is almost definitely a powerful mage

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Considering Jaina

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:34 PM

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if you're going to make a culture based around hunting down "wicked" creatures.
attacking people who are viewed as being pagan-inspired is goin' to be a thing
and blizzard has plenty of nasty IRL propaganda to take inspiration from to deal with how harvest witches of kul tiras may be treated

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since outside of their sailing blizzard literally said "yeah. they're monster hunters."

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:36 PM

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Yes

strange falcon Feb 28, 2018, 3:36 PM

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Eye of azshara bird flight form

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:36 PM

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I’m excited to see the sirens in person

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Hear their sont

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Songs

strange falcon Feb 28, 2018, 3:36 PM

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the white bird i forgot the name omegalul

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:37 PM

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lmao seagulls?

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...... i hope sirens are another new naga breed

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pls blizz

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#MakeNagaWEIRD.

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:38 PM

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I think they are related to harpies

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But I imagine we will see new naga variants

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They need something for patch 8.1

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I think it might be an island off the coast of zandalar based on the map changes yesterday

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But I could definitely be wrong

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:40 PM

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they have updated the naga lord models

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aka the shelled ones

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so, they're probably going to work on more variants

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:43 PM

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I want totally new ones

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Like a multi armed male naga

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Or other octopus naga

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Cuz azshara has that theme

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Or maybe a female naga brute

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Or male spellcaster naga

strange falcon Feb 28, 2018, 3:46 PM

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yeah nagas are pretty sexist

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:46 PM

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Not sexist

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Just unspecified

strange falcon Feb 28, 2018, 3:46 PM

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well all warriors are male

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all sorcerers are female

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:46 PM

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Male naga do cast spells. they just also hapen

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to hit things hard

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:46 PM

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They are a somewhat undetailed group - there are very few different types in game

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They need to diversify them

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:47 PM

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They really dont imo

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:47 PM

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Especially if there is going to be a naga raid

strange falcon Feb 28, 2018, 3:47 PM

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but do they hit it very hard?

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:47 PM

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How do you do a naga raid and not have them all look the same as the normal npc models?

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:47 PM

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uh

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ToS?

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:47 PM

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Also yes they do - they did it with demons in legion to stop demon burnout

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You mean the two naga bosses?

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In the legion raid?

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:48 PM

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they did it with legion because there is AN ENTIRE LEGION WITH DIFFERENT SPECIES OF DEMONS

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:48 PM

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That were different form the rest of the raids theme?

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:48 PM

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naga are 1 race. 1 species.

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:48 PM

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naga are one race created by an old god

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If azshara has tentacles, why can’t other naga?

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:48 PM

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Because Queen of the Hive mentality

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why aren't all Zerg sexy human girls like Kerrigan?

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:48 PM

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but it’s not a hive mind

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:49 PM

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That's the hierarchy.

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:49 PM

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Also they don’t have to have them in the same way

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I just want naga diversity

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I don’t want to be burned out on naga in 8.1

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:49 PM

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I dont see a reason for it. It doesn't make sense specifically because an Old God made i

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Old Gods are not known for Diversity. at all.

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They're known for efficiency.

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:50 PM

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Have you seen the aqir?

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One species

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:50 PM

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No one has

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:50 PM

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Tons of diversity

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:50 PM

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No one knows what an Aqir looks like

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:50 PM

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Yes we have

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:50 PM

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we only know they evolved into the seperate bug races we see today

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:50 PM

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Oh sorry

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:50 PM

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did somebody say male spellcaster naga?
//casually looks at own icon

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:50 PM

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Meant the qiraji

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:50 PM

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Which have all adapted, eveolved and changed

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based on the needs of the hive

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:51 PM

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if female naga can be elven why tf can't male ones
blizzard fix your worldbuilding

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(also it doesnt work on the "but nzoth made them that way" because naga are constantly mutating and changing.)

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:51 PM

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There's nothing to fix. Female naga are the brains, the smarts, the beauty.

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:51 PM

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Only azshara is able to take on her elven form

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:51 PM

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That we know of

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:51 PM

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We’ve never seen another do this

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:51 PM

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im not talking about an elven form

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:52 PM

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For all we know

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:52 PM

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i'm talking about elven appearance
as in not snake-faced

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:52 PM

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it was just an illusion spell

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:52 PM

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Yes

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But we have only seen her do itt

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:52 PM

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Which no other naga would have a need to do.

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Azshara does because she's VAIN AS FUCK

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:52 PM

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Also males can be smart too

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:52 PM

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yea most other naga at this point are naturalborn naga

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so its pointless for them to disguise as an elf

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because they never were

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:52 PM

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There are males who order other Naga around

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Vashjir

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:53 PM

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Taskmasters

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the brawl to the brains

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:53 PM

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Yeah

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:53 PM

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brawn

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rather

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:53 PM

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The equivalent to the lady X nagas

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Eh I guess

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:53 PM

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there's .. male spellcasters. there's literally male hydromancers in vashjir too

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:53 PM

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They have brain too though

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Yeah and hydromancers

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:53 PM

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There is

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Which again, I dont see hte need to diversify them other than purely the sake of diversification.

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:53 PM

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The issue is just the lack of visual diversity

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:53 PM

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Which I always think is dumb

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:54 PM

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There are two different female naga models

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:54 PM

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We handled an expac of nothing but snow

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We can handle an expac of fish

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:54 PM

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That’s it

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:54 PM

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honestly though i would want monsterous female naga and like, elven male naga

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pls

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:54 PM

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Yeah just mix it up a little

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Give us some weird naga variants

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:54 PM

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you're saying not a little

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you're wanting on the level the Legion had

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:54 PM

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God no

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:55 PM

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lmao no?

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:55 PM

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That was just an example of how you diversify something that was same-y before

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:55 PM

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You had argued that Legion had

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despite the burning legion always having diversity in it

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:55 PM

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they're already updating and redoing other old god minions. so why not just a few more types of naga

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:55 PM

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since BC

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they just further expanded on it

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:55 PM

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Though I’m still sad the moag guys with the drill hands never returned with an HD update

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They made those brutes

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With the same name

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:56 PM

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More efficient than drill hand men

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:56 PM

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But they were a totally different visual motif

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:56 PM

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yeah mo'arg always have had several types tho

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:56 PM

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I liked the idea of a legion mechanic

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:56 PM

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the little engineers and felguards are the same species

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:56 PM

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And that kind of disappeared in legion

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:56 PM

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that's always been present just reimagined

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???

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:56 PM

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Visually it disappeared

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:56 PM

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the mo'arg engies still showed up

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rarely, but they did

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:56 PM

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They had a cool model that could’ve done with an update

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But they didn’t

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:57 PM

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The little goblins running around? The eredar mostly taking over that? Mo'arg are still running around for tech.

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:57 PM

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No

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I just mean the old and new model aren’t similar

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:57 PM

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the ones from BC that usually built and manned the fel canons, Vris.

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:57 PM

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Yes different art style

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:57 PM

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They look like two different things

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:57 PM

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and the larger engineers that had robotics built into them and had large drill hands

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:57 PM

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All the other old demon updates just look like updates

strange falcon Feb 28, 2018, 3:58 PM

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basically the entirety of hellfire peninsula vris

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:58 PM

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But the moarg were essentially forgotten

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At least their engineer form was

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:58 PM

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two types of mo'arg were forgotten*

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:58 PM

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ah alright. the little engineer dudes.

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:58 PM

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yeah
the melee ones were updated, redone, and even given a new brutish one that towered over the others

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:58 PM

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I always saw it more as they got rotated out in favor of better looking demons

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:59 PM

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probably.
the wyrmtonge seem to have taken the place of the smallest mo'arg

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wrymtongue**

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:59 PM

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https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/wowwiki/images/2/28/Doomforge_Engineer.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20080312220541

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:59 PM

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Which is what I thought of.

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:59 PM

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Those guys

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:59 PM

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those ones though

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:59 PM

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Yes peach I know what you're talkin about

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:59 PM

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i would've wanted that updated

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:59 PM

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Yeah

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 3:59 PM

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that one was bigger and fuckin horrifying

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:59 PM

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Exactly

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 3:59 PM

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I never saw the need

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 3:59 PM

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It was what I thought of when they updated legion

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And they just ditched them as a concept

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:00 PM

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Different art direction, different story direction, and different build directly.

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Whereas naga haven't had any of that

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They're really no different than WC3s naga

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Even incorporating things like the Brute dogs into a much better scale

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 4:00 PM

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except we've already have had distinct mutations?? uh

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you have the generic enchantresses and myrmidons
you have sea witches
you have naga lords.

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and now in legion we got naga brutes

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so there's clearly still more types out there

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:01 PM

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Sea witches have the snake hair?

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 4:01 PM

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Yeah

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 4:01 PM

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ya. and usually more arms + more arcane ability

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:01 PM

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What are the naga lords? The ones with the shells all over em and are just armored?

zinc sandal Feb 28, 2018, 4:01 PM

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Those are cool

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 4:01 PM

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You have the two types of females

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 4:01 PM

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ye the shelled ones are naga lords

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and those just recently got a BFA update

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:01 PM

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I saw the Sea Witches as former handmaidens

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 4:01 PM

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Multiples arms with the webbing back thing and then the same but snake hair

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:01 PM

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to Azshara

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the Naga lords as former generals of Azshara

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 4:02 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:02 PM

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Hence the more special models.

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 4:02 PM

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Yeah but what if azshara has been working on other models

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Some type of new army

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 4:02 PM

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that is a VERY tiny amount of special forces then if they were

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:02 PM

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In which if Azshara is controlling them like that

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 4:02 PM

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Specifically made to defeat us

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 4:02 PM

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because you gotta realize the population has to be HUGE now

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:02 PM

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it makes much moresense for the underlings to NOT be diversified

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 4:02 PM

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Sure

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But what if the upper army is different

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 4:02 PM

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and we've seen many, many sea witches that don't really make sense to ALL have been in azshara's court

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:03 PM

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An elite guard maybe

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 4:03 PM

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Maybe a type of guard that shoots crossbows

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And so they have armor playing

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Plating

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:03 PM

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So like the normal naga women who shoot their bows?

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They wouldn't use armor plating as seen with the Naga Lords just using really hard sea shells

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 4:03 PM

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hell mistress sassz'ine even makes snarky commentary about azshara

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which ... if she was favored in her court

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she wouldn't do

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:03 PM

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You really dont know court politics then

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 4:04 PM

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when the naga empire is a dictatorship you don't.

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:04 PM

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People get themselves into court for power.

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 4:04 PM

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:T

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:04 PM

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I certainly would

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especially if I decided to break away from her

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 4:04 PM

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except
she didn't?

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:04 PM

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Sasszine was with the Legion

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 4:04 PM

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mistress sassz'ine isn't legion

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LMAO WHAT NO?

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dude have you even done that fight???

zinc sandal Feb 28, 2018, 4:04 PM

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She’s not Mistress Sass for nothing yknow

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 4:04 PM

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she's after the tidestone for AZSHARA

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:05 PM

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So Azshara was allowing her to let naga get fel corrupted?

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 4:05 PM

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the ones OUTSIDE of the tomb

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went and betrayed azshara

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the ones INSIDE of the tomb

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inflitrated it to stop US

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and give THEM
the tidestone

uncut vault Feb 28, 2018, 4:05 PM

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Not all naga serve Azshara.

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 4:05 PM

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on behalf of azshara

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they're run by different matiarchs

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:05 PM

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Which is what I thought Sass was doing. Going to the Legion as shown with the naga outside.

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 4:06 PM

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mistress sassz'ine is the matiarch of the forces inside of the tombs and is loyal to azshara

uncut vault Feb 28, 2018, 4:06 PM

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She’s got nothing to do with the naga outside

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 4:06 PM

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the felsurge swore themselves to the legion

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and have an entirely different matiarch

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they even answered this question at blizzcon

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and said that their matiartchs and beliefs can be so diverse they're parallel to how humans are

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:07 PM

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also where are her snarky remarks for Azshara?

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Im not finding them on Wowpedia.

uncut vault Feb 28, 2018, 4:07 PM

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As their example

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 4:07 PM

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It's her comment about Harjatan's death.

uncut vault Feb 28, 2018, 4:07 PM

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Explicitly used the ones outside the temple too

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 4:08 PM

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Like along the lines of "why the queen ever LIKED this idiot i'll never understand" ... paraphrased rn since i can't remember the exact quote

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:08 PM

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"Mistress Sassz'ine yells: Useless beast! Why the queen was fond of him I'll never know!" that's not snarky towards Azshara

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 4:08 PM

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except it is? lmao
like "seriously why did you pick this idiot"

zinc sandal Feb 28, 2018, 4:08 PM

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Nope

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:08 PM

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That's frustration and confusion over a love towards something that clearly is stupid

zinc sandal Feb 28, 2018, 4:09 PM

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Not towards Azshara, but towards Harjatan

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:09 PM

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Cuz during her fight she doesn't exhibit any of the same 'snark' you say this line gives

zinc sandal Feb 28, 2018, 4:09 PM

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She wasn't pointing out Azshara's incompetence, but Harjatan's

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 4:09 PM

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okay though
regardless
Mistress Sassz'ine's forces are lead by her.
The fel-taitned naga outside are lead by Lady Ssathara.

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:09 PM

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Alright I'll give ya that.

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 4:10 PM

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And Lady Ssathara blatantly states.
"The Legion promises us strength, greater than even Lady Azshara can provide!"

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so, she's a traitor.

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and we've seen heretics that follow neptulon instead of azshara in the past

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it's less of a hivemind than you'd think

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just azshara does rule it with an iron first

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fist***

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:11 PM

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I never intended for the society to be an actual hivemind

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but more so comparing the actions to that of a hivemind

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Azshara being the top queen controls how the workers and soldiers breed and such. Who she puts into her court and who she sends to battle.

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 4:12 PM

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i think if azshara actually was upset at their revolt, she wouldve destroyed them

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:12 PM

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A complete control of the society like that doesn't give much for diversity.

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 4:12 PM

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my guess is she either didnt care, or it fit in with her plan

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:12 PM

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She doesn't care about naga who break off

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 4:12 PM

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She knows naga who break off will be annihlated without her.

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:13 PM

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Yup

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 4:13 PM

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EX: we kill a lot of the neptulon / ahune heretics during the fire festival stuff.

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:13 PM

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She has no reason to worry about them. None of them pose any sort of threat. She was only ever wrong about the Kaldorei-Night Elves.

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 4:13 PM

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and we kill the felsurge

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hardcore kill them lmao

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heck. i'd even wager that naga that view n'zoth as being superior to azshara are heretics

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:14 PM

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Azshara is the Light of Lights

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you dont get much higher than that

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 4:14 PM

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the relationship between the faceless and naga is more like a buisness partnership

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 4:14 PM

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i doubt that xanuzar

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 4:14 PM

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not like "yes we worship nzoth too"

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 4:14 PM

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azshara is definitely under nzoth

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she is the most powerful caster on the planet

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 4:15 PM

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i mean
culturally
wise

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 4:15 PM

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but she isnt nzoth

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 4:15 PM

#

culturally

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naga probably view azshara as superior for the most part

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but a view isn't fact.

zinc sandal Feb 28, 2018, 4:20 PM

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N'Zoth is the reason for naga, so if they decide to break away from him he can just go zap and have them all crash under the weight of the ocean.

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😃

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Just a thought.

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 4:22 PM

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except he clearly hasnt

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lol

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we have

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multiple naga

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that DONT worship him

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so that's already false

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they're an actual species now fam

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the amount of naga that were turned compared to the amount of naga that must be naturally born now is likely a very steep slant towards naturalborn ones

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because we literally see that they have clutches of hatchlings

zinc sandal Feb 28, 2018, 4:23 PM

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He doesn't need to worry about a few naga, he probably only cares about Azshara and her most powerful subjects

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 4:23 PM

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during the goblin starting area

zinc sandal Feb 28, 2018, 4:24 PM

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The fact that he hasn't doesn't mean he can't

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And considering how Old Gods think and plan way ahead, he might have even foreseen those betrayals and weighted out whether it matters or not to him in the grand scheme of things

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And whether they're an actual species now doesn't matter, they're still cursed/whatever

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And it can most likely be reverted

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:26 PM

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honestly mess

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Nzoth probably doesn't care

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as long as Azshara is loyal to him

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that's all he'd care about I wager

zinc sandal Feb 28, 2018, 4:27 PM

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That's exactly what I said, yes.

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"He doesn't need to worry about a few naga, he probably only cares about Azshara and her most powerful subjects"

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All I'm saying is Old Gods are extremely calculating. N'Zoth has definitely taken betrayals into consideration when drawing out his plans, especially considering Naga are not being mentally controlled by him.

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And if they are, then those betrayals might not have been true. It would have been him orchestrating them.

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 4:30 PM

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I really doubt naga can be uncursed at this point.

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Think about it.
If something comes from an egg you expect that to turn back into a night elf???

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yeah no

zinc sandal Feb 28, 2018, 4:30 PM

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I wouldn't. If the Curse of Flesh can be cured after so long, then this can be, too.

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 4:30 PM

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Curse of Flesh is different than literally turning into a reptile.

zinc sandal Feb 28, 2018, 4:31 PM

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Are you saying turning stone and metal constructs into actual living beings is nothing in comparison to turning living beings into other living beings? Come on, now.

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 4:31 PM

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And the Curse of Flesh being reverted is either done by Odyn himself, the Mogu using Anima, or gnomes submitting to Loken back in Wrath.

zinc sandal Feb 28, 2018, 4:31 PM

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Tol'vir didn't need any of those.

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 4:32 PM

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The Neferset also were all insane and basically drained Siamat of his power form the process, lmao.

zinc sandal Feb 28, 2018, 4:32 PM

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So? The fact that what they did worked is proof enough.

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 4:33 PM

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Also, it's still easier to turn something animate into stone than remove curses that still keep something fleshy?

zinc sandal Feb 28, 2018, 4:33 PM

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Mogu, AFAIK, didn't cure the Curse of Flesh (I may be wrong). What they used Anima for was turning statues into soldiers. They weren't living, they were still statues.

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 4:33 PM

#

otherwise we would've been able to cure worgen entirely or something at this point.

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no. they did reverse it with anima

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no mogu is flesh.

#

even if it looks like it, the texture is still clearly stonework

#

hence why their manes look unnatural and not hair like.

zinc sandal Feb 28, 2018, 4:34 PM

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I haven't looked into it, tbh, so idk.

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But yeah, I'm 99% sure naga can be turned back into elves.

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:34 PM

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well. sorta. theyre half and half.

zinc sandal Feb 28, 2018, 4:34 PM

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At least the original naga.

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 4:34 PM

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all mogu at this point used anima to revert back to stone.
and we clearly see the jade witch able to turn living people into stone too

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and yea. the original ones
but not anybody born from an egg.

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which would be more of the population now

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since there's nothing to revert to at that point

#

Titanic creatures are different.

#

There is a literal written code to fall back on because they're constructs.

zinc sandal Feb 28, 2018, 4:35 PM

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Maybe, maybe not. Still, doesn't matter. Azshara serves him and that's all he needs.

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And it could not be a better time for naga to rise against us.

#

The Legion has been vanquised, which was their greatest threat.

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And they barely needed to move a finger. We did all the work.

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:39 PM

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Their greatest threat is still the titans

zinc sandal Feb 28, 2018, 4:40 PM

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You mean the guys that imprisoned themselves to put Sargeras on a leash?

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:40 PM

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And their keepers

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 4:40 PM

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... If they can't corrupt Azeroth, they're fucked.

zinc sandal Feb 28, 2018, 4:40 PM

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Ah but that's another thing

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 4:40 PM

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Azeroth is literally predicted to be the most powerful titan and the one who can bring ultimate order to the universe.

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:40 PM

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legion or titans stop em from their mission. Id argue titans are worse for them because of ya know

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 4:40 PM

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If they can't corrupt her, the Void loses.

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:40 PM

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we're allied with the titans

zinc sandal Feb 28, 2018, 4:41 PM

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Mhm

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 4:41 PM

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Why do you think the Old Gods tried to corrupt Loken, Neltharion, anything connected to the titans?

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To make them fail and betray their very purpose.

zinc sandal Feb 28, 2018, 4:42 PM

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But apparently Old Gods can't just die? So unless we find a way to completely erase them, they will always be a threat.

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It'll be a matter of when.

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:49 PM

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They can die, its just nearly impossible for us to kill them

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We've killed Y'shaarj due to his heart being exausted

zinc sandal Feb 28, 2018, 4:58 PM

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We didn't kill Y'Shaarj

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:58 PM

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Indeed we did.

zinc sandal Feb 28, 2018, 4:58 PM

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We destroyed what was left of him, not the same thing

cursive blaze Feb 28, 2018, 4:59 PM

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Y'shaarj was killed by the titans if im correct

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 4:59 PM

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Yes that is? Y'shaarj is no longer present on Azeroth. Y'shaarj is gone, dead. No longer existing or influencing the planet.

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He was ripped out but never killed until garrosh sucked up to much power from the heart.

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Y'shaarj had been living this whole time and the Pandaren had been supressing him and the Sha until we arrive.

zinc sandal Feb 28, 2018, 5:00 PM

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Except he wasn't

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His heart was

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:00 PM

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That is him yes.

zinc sandal Feb 28, 2018, 5:00 PM

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No

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:00 PM

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Yes.

zinc sandal Feb 28, 2018, 5:00 PM

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That's his heart

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I'm not my heart

cursive blaze Feb 28, 2018, 5:01 PM

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i have to agreed with Mess

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:01 PM

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Final breath

Garrosh Hellscream later fully restored the Heart of Y'Shaarj using the pools of Pandaria. Fortunately, the whole God was not resurrected.[11] The heart was taken to Orgrimmar, and placed in the Underhold, Garrosh's new seat of power.

After Garrosh's defeat, the Heart has suffered a failure and the Fading Breath briefly remained on the floor of the Underhold, then faded from existence, ending the life, influence and corruption of Y'Shaarj. With every Sha Prime and its heart dead, nothing remains of its power.

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there's nothin left of him on Azeroth

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he is gone. dead.

zinc sandal Feb 28, 2018, 5:01 PM

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He's been dead for a long time, but his heart still emanated dark energy

cursive blaze Feb 28, 2018, 5:01 PM

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alright, a part of him was still in azeroth

zinc sandal Feb 28, 2018, 5:01 PM

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^

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Part of him, not him

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:02 PM

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he still lived through this part.

cursive blaze Feb 28, 2018, 5:02 PM

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that doesnt mean he's alive

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:02 PM

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ending the life of Y'shaarj

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ending the influence of y'shaarj

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ending the corruption of Y'shaarj

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The words are very clear.

cursive blaze Feb 28, 2018, 5:02 PM

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thats like a relative saying "Oh He's not dead we chopped of his arm and embalmed it"

zinc sandal Feb 28, 2018, 5:02 PM

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Whatever, Vris. Believe what you please.

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:03 PM

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that doesn't mean that relative still lives though. He can't control anything through that limb

zinc sandal Feb 28, 2018, 5:03 PM

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Not gonna waste my time xD

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:03 PM

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Y'shaarj can

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Maybe I should say what I believe 'living' means when we're speaking of the old gods. When I believe an old god is still alive, they can still push their influence, corruption and whispers onto people.

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C'thun and Yogg-saron are certainly still alive despite us carving off a piece of them, its even shown as these parts can still exude their corruption as their hearts haven't been destroyed.

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For Y'shaarj, there's no actual way for him to push forth anything. He has no further grasp on existence and thus has vanished from it. Death for a simple term of it.

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 5:06 PM

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.. Y'shaarj is dead dead.

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He literally doesn't exist anymore.

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Period.

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:07 PM

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apparently that's not the same as death Xan

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 5:07 PM

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Old Gods "live on" as long as part of their body funcitons, Y'shaarj's heart did but y'know.

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now we tore that apart, destroyed it

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the very last bit of residue faded from existence

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etc

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:07 PM

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it suffered a heart attack after being drained so hard.

steel venture Feb 28, 2018, 5:07 PM

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yshaarj is so dead its not even funny

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like literally blipped out of existence levels of dead

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only the sha remain, and their numbers are dwindling

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and the sha =/= y'shaarj

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they're his creations

hollow dock Feb 28, 2018, 5:08 PM

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Indeedy.

uncut vault Feb 28, 2018, 5:22 PM

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the main sha themselves are also dead, the remnants we see in legion are just generic lingering emotions

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 5:27 PM

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The sha were pieces of yshaarj, not their creation

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But yeah

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Sha are gone or will be

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Permanently

vague sparrow Feb 28, 2018, 7:10 PM

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just going to hop in here and say that Y'shaarj wasn't really alive in the sense of being able to control anything, but an essence of him was left behind, thus allowing its corruption through the void power to seep into other beings and let their own emotions become empowered by the leftover remains of y'shaarj's power.

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He wasn't there with any consciousness

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 7:11 PM

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where are you getting that bullshit from?

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Yshaarj was an old god

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they are conscious

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yshaarj was ripped out of the planet

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the pieces that fell back became the 7 great sha, and the heart

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we destroyed the heart and the sha

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now they are gone

vague sparrow Feb 28, 2018, 7:12 PM

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the heart of Y'shaarj was just a remanant of the old god, not the old god itself. There was no consciousness to it, it just corrupted through influence, no attainable goal outside of the ones corrupted had themselves

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 7:12 PM

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thats not fully true though

vague sparrow Feb 28, 2018, 7:12 PM

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the arguement was if y'shaarj was alive or not, around noon

dense plover Feb 28, 2018, 7:12 PM

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yshaarj has VO

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5llfSEbibRg

YouTube

AdriaCraft

Patch 5.4 - Y'Shaarj Sound Files

▶ Play video

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the power of the heart could pass on the voice

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we dont know if old gods actually need brains