port's been typing for a bit now xD
#beta-ptr-spoilers
mint arch
uncut vault
WoD was an alternate timeline, and the orcs were dicks of their own volition. In our universe, they’d already been tricked into forming the Horde and attacking the Draenei, and then offered the demon blood for the big assaults. In the WoD universe, they hadn’t attacked yet, because kiljaeden never used Nerzhul to stir up the orcs, he just went right to Guldan. Grommash, after being shown a half vision by Garrosh, denied the demon blood and THEN still wanted to wipe out the Draenei. They weren’t manipulated by anyone but Garrosh, and Garrosh only manipulated him into not taking the blood. The Iron Horde wanted to skaughter the Draenei just cuz.
dense plover
To be clear
The Draenei were technically invading the world of the orcs
The orcs has a world
And then the Draenei show up
Drop a big crystal in nagrand
And then complain about being attacked and fight back
All while build shattrath and auchidoun and karabor
I don’t know about you
But if I was an orc, I wouldn’t like the Draenei
mint arch
u may not like them, doesnt mean its right to want to genocide the race -_-
uncut vault
dense plover
Yeah it is
And?
It was their world
Draenei are essentially invaders
Invaders who garrosh probably said brought the demons with them
Which is technically true
steel venture
... No orc outright hated the draenei until other people told them to kill them.
There were minor scuffles, but not a genocide. And it WAS a genocide, there's no way around it.
steel venture
Even the Iron Horde was killing hundreds of dranei.
The Warcraft movie isn't canon. It is an AU.
dense plover
Warcraft movie isn’t canon @gritty idol
Also, in draenor the portal is opened using guldan
Not him opening it
gritty idol
Than why the hell did they make the movie, doesn’t matter since it was fucking awful
heavy cairn
they made adjustments to make it "suitable" for people who didn't play the game
steel venture
Honestly I still find the AU Mag'har to be more disgusting and I do hope they have proper sanctions placed upon them when they join the Horde.
They didn't need demon's blood to cause genocide. They just followed the words of a raving lunatic manipulating the alternate version of his father.
heavy cairn
so they sacrificed stuff that made sense for stuff that's "cool", e.g. dalaran floating for whatever reason
also they for some reason made garona half-orc half-human, how does that even make sense? they just did it for translations between orcs and humans
that's why the movie is different, for convenience and "coolness"
steel venture
Especially when thefact she encounters a draenei woman during the movie that looks at her almost with recognition in her eyes. Like? What's the point if that wasn't her mother.
I didn't mind the movie but, god. I'm glad there won't be another.
short smelt
it's pointless for us nerds to talk about it and try to make sense of it
it was adjusted to be as appealing as possible to a wider audience
gritty idol
I only enjoyed the young Khadgar
heavy cairn
yea ofc there's no way to make sense of it for us
steel venture
Regardless, anyway.
Saurfang better kick the shit out of Grommash and make sure he doesn't go on a genocidal rampage again.
Because Grommash is a dick, unlike Grom who learned and made up for his mistakes.
heavy cairn
I don't think Grommash really wanted to go on a genocidal rampage, but being an orc he was convinced to take the path of war by Garrosh who shared a terrible alternative future. Plus you could argue that he made up by dealing no damage to helping us with Archimonde
steel venture
I fully stand by that given that Blizzard has stated the AU has differences to the MU.
All of the clans that partook in the Iron Horde were more bloodthirsty than their MU counterparts, thus why they were so easily convinced even without the demon blood.
gritty idol
Uh Grommash is Grom
steel venture
That's the only way to fix the stupid bullshit of the clans imo.
gritty idol
do you mean Garrosh?
heavy cairn
yes but he was never called Grom in WoD
steel venture
Grom is what everyone calls the MU counterpart.
Grommash is what everyone calls the AU counterpart.
Yes they're both "Grommash" but the MU one is usually called Grom.
And the AU one never is.
terse patrol
grommash for warchief
short smelt
anyone but sylvanas
gritty idol
BAINE
steel venture
Shoulda been Saurfang.
gritty idol
GIMME BAINE
steel venture
But then we couldn't have had "BUT MAH FACTION WAR THO"
hollow dock
@dense plover Do remmeber the Dreanei were on Dreanor for around 20k+ years before the Orcs actually attacked. That excuse doesn't work anymore.
steel venture
@hollow dock Around a few centuries, actually. They were only there for two-three centuries, but it was long enough time for their influence to be peaceful on Draenor and rather non-contact with orcs.
mint arch
YUS PLS
dense plover
yeah
heavy cairn
"All of the clans that partook in the Iron Horde were more bloodthirsty than their MU counterparts, thus why they were so easily convinced even without the demon blood."
I am fairly certain that if I was an orc leader, a time travelling orc leader from the future showed up and shared a dire future but with technology powerful enough to stop it, I would happily join with the time traveller. As for the other orc clans, they see the technology too. Orcs are bloodthirsty enough without AU weirdness.
heavy cairn
if I was a human leader, perhaps I wouldn't be so eager
dense plover
i wouldnt be surprised if garrosh egged them on into attacking them
hollow dock
According to Rise of teh Horde, its MUCH longer than 2-300 years.
steel venture
Rise of the Horde is no longer canon on that regard of the time they've spent there. Chronicle is the most up to date.
dense plover
^
terse patrol
Well, they revealed that all Orcs had bloodlust prior to the demon blood. It just amplified it, and made it much harder to resist.
hollow dock
Garrosh telling em to do it is most likely, as he's very anti-alliance and wouldn't want the draenei to rejoin the alliance. And they needed souls to power the portal so.
steel venture
It is still the world they lived on for the longest though after they fled from Argus though. That fact hasn't changed.
gritty idol
WHY CANT WE ALL JUST BE FRIENDS
hollow dock
Calling them invaders still wouldn't be right.
steel venture
But it now means it was a wilder, more unyielding chase if they kept getting chased off worlds until they found Draenor to settle on for a few centuries.
And yeah, they aren't.
hollow dock
Because "muh pvp"
steel venture
Hell, they CRASHED into Draenor too!
terse patrol
That feels weird to me.
steel venture
And draenei that tried to manipulate Draenor's magic similarly to how they used to on Argus got instantly reprimanded by the Rangari, ffs.
They actively tried to NOT harm the planet.
terse patrol
Because 200 years seems like too short a time for Orcs to develop traditions around Oshu'gun/
hollow dock
Yea.
steel venture
Not really.
steel venture
Culture can change quite a bit in just a few decades even.
uncut vault
The reason why he’s still grommash is because in the MU he took the name grom as an act of shame for his actions
hollow dock
only 4-5 generations of orcs is required to accept Oshu'gun?
heavy cairn
sure, why not?
steel venture
EX: Compare the 50s to now? That's not a very long time for things to have changed drastically.
gritty idol
if they live 30-40 years than how fucking old is Thrall
hollow dock
Yea but most of our changes are due to things like the Internet
steel venture
200 years is plenty of time for a more primitive culture, like the orcish one, to change rapidly.
hollow dock
massive technological strides
dense plover
thrall is only like 30
proud karma
Orcs have the same lifespan as humans
uncut vault
Just remember, Garrosh was older than Thrall
heavy cairn
yes, but orcs were likely living primitively and were much less likely to live for long similar to early RL humans
terse patrol
ACKSHUALLY
proud karma
Magic heals tho
hollow dock
and if you count in the fact that they hunted things that could easilykill and hunt themback
terse patrol
Believe it or not, Thrall was roughly 18 when he freed the Orcs from internment.
proud karma
They have perfect instant healthcare
hollow dock
I cut it back a few years.
gritty idol
Thrall was a badass
steel venture
Yeah, orcs also age to adulthood naturally far faster than humans do.
hollow dock
Unless they're shamans, most warriors of orcs would probably die off in their prime.
dense plover
thrall is 34
steel venture
Twelve years old is their adult age, that is without fel magic changing them.
proud karma
Ok I don't like that where do they say that
tropic trail
Anyone seen if the new straight back orc model is like saurfang?
steel venture
Second.
hollow dock
It is
steel venture
I'll grab it rq.
gritty idol
my question is who has Gorehowl now
terse patrol
steel venture
Rise of the Horde and Lord of the Clans.
gritty idol
are there any living Hellscreams?
uncut vault
Grommash has his AU one, but ours is still in Pandaria
heavy cairn
Didn't it go into your garrison?
terse patrol
main universe Gorehowl is in Pandaria
steel venture
Thrall was almost as large as an adult human at six years old.
hollow dock
Only AU Grommash.
terse patrol
AU Gorehowl is in Grommash's hands.
tropic trail
Hopefully we get his armor as heritage or something it looks great
steel venture
Orcs age more rapidly than humans, but have a comparable lifespan to humans.
hollow dock
Actually Honk, that Gorehowl inexplicably was in WoD.
terse patrol
y
hollow dock
No one actually knows how it got there
terse patrol
thats dumb
hollow dock
but there are 2 Gorehowls in AU Dreanor.
gritty idol
spooky
terse patrol
Grommash dual wields them now, confirmed.
gritty idol
is it really an alternate universe or is it in the past
steel venture
AU.
hollow dock
Yes
steel venture
AU that is set in the past.
heavy cairn
Pretty sure Garosh had one of the gorehowls
hollow dock
Technically its more correct to say AT*
uncut vault
Where? Garrosh had Grommash‘s axe at Grommashar and the mak’gora
hollow dock
which is Alternate Timeline
uncut vault
Grommash gave him his
terse patrol
Blizzard has said that Warlords of Draenor isn't technically time travel, apparently/
uncut vault
To lead the Warsong
steel venture
No, it is an AU. There are actual universe differences.
hollow dock
It isn't because we're not traveling to our own past
heavy cairn
It behaves more like an alternative universe since mages can freely go between and time passes on Azeroth fine
hollow dock
we're traveling to another timelines past.
gritty idol
oof too damn confusing
steel venture
Gorgrond is not supposed to be filled with geysers in the MU, it is filled with spires similarly to Blade's Edge.
heavy cairn
It's more like a copy of a timeline was made, shifted forward, and sat next to MU
hollow dock
^ basically.
steel venture
Durotan is not supposed to have blue eyes.
Garrosh was not born in the AU.
ETC.
hollow dock
It's an independant timeline to our own.
Much like how it was in Twilight of the Aspects
where thrall found a timeline in which he died at birth
heavy cairn
Gorgrond and frost fire were merged into blades edge, were they not?
steel venture
It's not just a timeline tho.
Blizzard literally said that.
There are actual geographical differences.
heavy cairn
Spires come from frost fire, whatever else comes from gorgrond
steel venture
Karioz found the most "similar" timeframe in the most "similar" universe with the Hourglass to bring Garrosh too.
But with enough differences for Garrosh to slip in and not cause major issues.
terse patrol
ye
steel venture
If it was just a trip to the past we would've seen a baby Garrosh and that would've been a further paradox.
heavy cairn
Well, kairoz implied there were infinite universes, which implies infinite identical universes
heavy cairn
I think kairoz carefully chose the universe, not based on most similarities
steel venture
"But with enough differences for Garrosh to slip in and not cause major issues."
:T I adressed that fam.
heavy cairn
Yes, I see, but it wasn't like he was picking out of 10 possibilities or something
hollow dock
Garrosh was never born as Grom's wife died early,
Ner'zhuls wife never died which didn't set him onto the path to get influenced by the Legion
Kil'rog never had his son.
Blackhand never had his children.
steel venture
"Kairoz revealed that he had brought Garrosh to a timeway similar to the past of their own, but "not a perfect mirror image.""
It's literally stated that it was similar. xux'
hollow dock
I like our talks here.
interesting. Most of the Troll tribes have sent representatives to the Zandalari. Including ones previously horde aligned like the Revantusks.
heavy cairn
hm, cool
tulip sun
And they say their with the horde!!! I want to play forest trolls from revantusk
hollow dock
so make yourself a green troll
uncut vault
I wish we could play forest trolls. I love the buff troll model. Might not happen for a long while, sadly.
terse patrol
Interestingly, only certain speakers are named, tho. @hollow dock
The Shadowtooth obviously being a hint at future dealings with them.
proud karma
Yeah I want the cool model, not a green jungle troll
Like, sure Shatterspear are in the horde, but they're a jungle troll group, so they look like darkspear. It'd be like adding draenor draenei haha
hollow dock
not all forest trolls are the buff model tho.
uncut vault
and not all zandalari are upright, nor all jungle trolls skinny, but that's the main model. Which is the point.
crisp snow
is there any chance of them adding allied races that arent just pallete swaps?
hollow dock
Not really. Because that's all allied races are supposed to be.
Just more customization or some alterations from the base races we already have.
uncut vault
There is a small chance. They’ve said they called them allied races because they aren’t just limited to subraces
hollow dock
Theyve also said the purpose is not to toss anything and everything in here, it's just to expand on customization and diversity.
olive mirage
they are called Allied Races for a reason, if they were only gonna be different colors and shit, theyd be Sub-Races
hollow dock
They were called allied races to simply not be called sub-races. They were created with the intention of not replacing main races, but rather just adding in more customized and diverse variants of our current races that'll be easy to implement.
zinc sandal
Some of them could not even be considered subraces
Zandalari trolls came first, so “regular” trolls would be the subrace, for example
olive mirage
sometimes I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall
hollow dock
Our current dwarves aren't even themain race of dwarves. theyre a clan just like the Dark Iron are.
solid sparrow
Perhaps we get Kul Tiran humans?
hollow dock
Its pretty clear we're meant to get a new race of Orcs and Humans.
olive mirage
why do people keep wanting more humans, the most boring race in every game ever
hollow dock
Because people dont want to play as hulks or sticks
zinc sandal
Not everyone is a lover of elves and other fantasy races. Some people prefer to play humans because, to them, they are more relatable.
solid sparrow
Hmm, I'd actually like to see Vrykul and/or Ogres
zinc sandal
What to you is the most boring race, is the safe choice for other people.
hollow dock
Both would have to go through a major overhaul to get to be a player race.
zinc sandal
My god, my spelling today.
hollow dock
So they wouldn't fit the bill of allied race.
solid sparrow
It's not like Draenei and Worgen went through an overhaul.
hollow dock
They did. That's why those both are full races.
Lightforged didn't have to, that's why its an allied race.
zinc sandal
Allied races are probably meant to be easy to implement
Get a model, slap animations on it, make it available.
hollow dock
Not even probably, they're meant to be quick things to just stuff in the game to sate us without having to go through the trouble of constantly making a full race every expac.
arctic vessel
Where do the Hozen stand in all of this?
hollow dock
Hozen wouldn't be an allied race.
zinc sandal
In Pandaria throwing poop at each other.
arctic vessel
I have an alt leveling through MoP now... am partial to Hozen
hollow dock
Theyre not that great. theyre just a joke race meant to appeal to peoples immature side.
solid sparrow
Oh, I thought you were talking about pandaren, but then I saw the hozen remark.
terse patrol
hozen only live 20 years anyways
steel venture
Vrykul COULD be an allied race. But not for what you'd expect.
They have the orc skeleton
Try to unsee that now. Btw.
steel venture
Which Blizzard never fixed the tauren problem, so.
But yea
Vrykul models use orc animations. It's just stretched upwards to be taller and skinnier.
It's especially noticable in the new female vrykul.
sharp bluff
Always fun riding the WoD Clefthoof on a Tauren, bigger then most buildings, no doors ever
distant folio
vrykul do not have the orc skeleton at all
zinc sandal
Keep telling yourself that
zinc sandal
It’s pretty obvious tbh
hollow dock
Its stretched out Pan.
distant folio
It's absolutely not.
They literally do not share one single animation
I'm looking at it right now
meager warren
Allied races are just subraces if lore isn't regarded
meager warren
but the Highmountain Tauren, Nightborne, Void Elves, Lightforged Draenei, Dark Iron Dwarves, Zandalari Trolls, and Mag'har Orcs are subraces
Zandalari is a bit iffy tho since they're a different model
distant folio
More like "related race"
so far
because Zandalari arent a subrace of Darskpear, if anything its the opposite
zinc sandal
In terms of lore, regular trolls are the subrace, since Zandalari are the original
meager warren
Zandalari is a subrace of troll, darkspear or not
distant folio
zandalari are the original race
zinc sandal
^
distant folio
what you say does not make sense
meager warren
yes.
they're still a subrace
zinc sandal
Subrace = Variant of original race
distant folio
^
zinc sandal
Zandalari = Original race
meager warren
My definition is slightly altered from that,
"Variant of a race"
zinc sandal
Uh-huh. Zandalari are not a variant. They are THE race.
meager warren
Define variant
hollow dock
Variant means type, part etc in this definition
meager warren
am i wrong then in this case
hollow dock
Zandalari aren't apart of the troll race, they are the troll race from which all other variants come from.
zinc sandal
^
distant folio
Once upon a day, there were Zandalari. Then, all other trolls, including jungle trolls/Darkspear, descended from them. So the Darkspear are the subrace, not the freaking Zandalari.
hollow dock
Much like how the Bronzebeard Dwarves, Dark Iron Dwarves, and the Wildhammer Dwarves are all apart of the Dwarven race, but are all variants.
zinc sandal
The first troll ever looked like a Zandalari.
meager warren
when i think of "Type" of [whatever], i think of "different things" or "alterations" of [whatever], not always coming from an original.
Except irl, but Warcraft is fiction
hollow dock
a deviation from it basically.
When speaking of normal variances, yes you'd be completely correct.
distant folio
So, you don't mean "subrace"
hollow dock
But in the context of 'Variant race' it changes.
zinc sandal
Zandalari have not seen any alterations. They are the OG.
hollow dock
Yup. Its more correct to say the original troll we play, Darkspear, is actually the variant, or subrace, of Zandalari.
zinc sandal
Yup
meager warren
they have tho.
Look at Jungle Trolls, Forest Trolls, Sand/ Desert Trolls, Elves
crisp snow
when are the naga coming?!
hollow dock
Never.
zinc sandal
Those are subraces. Zandalari still exist in their original form.
meager warren
as soon as you decide to make ur name less cringy, gibberish
hollow dock
which are the Zandalari we are playing
crisp snow
my name isnt gibberish
hollow dock
it's english, but like. Elizabethan English
crisp snow
i guess you forgot about dre
meager warren
demon something
hollow dock
Demonsamura.
meager warren
that's an a?
crisp snow
yea see you can read it
meager warren
i can read the first part
hollow dock
I can just fine. Arson can't read it fully.
zinc sandal
Arson is a bit short but we love him.
hollow dock
yea pretty short.
zinc sandal
Oh I wasn’t talking about height
Also, there are lots of people who cannot read cursive (which I find sad and hilarious both at once)
hollow dock
Its not taught enough in schools these days
crisp snow
yea they didnt go to school
zinc sandal
It’s not taught. Period.
meager warren
i can read cursive.
as long as the person put some effort into making it illegible and i don't have to stare at it for 10 minutes to be able to figure out what it says
true matrix
I can read cursive just fine, but this small-font blackletter is pushing it :|
zinc sandal
Yeah, over a decade ago
hollow dock
it wasn't in my first or third
It was bein rotated out by then. Let me dream that ten years hasn't passed Mes.s
lemme dream that Im not old ;3;
zinc sandal
We’re getting old and not any wiser.
crisp snow
how old you?
zinc sandal
Too old for my taste
meager warren
how old you?
I'm 18 years too old
zinc sandal
XD
crisp snow
wow old man
meager warren
ye
hollow dock
how old am I?
meager warren
i haven't gotten my driver's license yet 
hollow dock
Old enough to go into the salty spatoon
hollow dock
its not that great.
crisp snow
the what?
hollow dock
OH GOD THAT REFERENCE ISN'T KNOWN
zinc sandal
Spongebob
crisp snow
i hate spongebob
hollow dock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPIX43vOhT4 I'm so sad.
meager warren
"Patrick, you dumb star!"
true matrix
it's a well established fact that gays don't drive, arson
zinc sandal
It’s a running joke in the LGBT+ community that gays can’t drive
meager warren
o
zinc sandal
“Joke”
true matrix
except for the one Designated Driving Gay in your friend circle
meager warren
wait, is the DDG a driver or do they drive others to be gay?
zinc sandal
No, that’s a Transformer
true matrix
they are the only gay with a driving license
hollow dock
^
zinc sandal
^
meager warren
o
hollow dock
Designated Driver is made for nights when all your friends are going to get shit faced wasted
Since drinking and driving is a bad thing
meager warren
assuming it's a him
zinc sandal
We’re talking about gays, so yeah it’s a him
hollow dock
If I ever grab my license, I automatically am the DD. Cuz I can't drink. ;3;
zinc sandal
Vris be my DD I got places to go to
true matrix
honestly in this context I use "gay" as an umbrella term for all queer friendfolks
hollow dock
No.
meager warren
i can drink but i prefer not to.
one of the biggest mistakes i ever made was because i was drunk.
not doing that again
zinc sandal
Fuck off Vris
hollow dock
<3
zinc sandal
❤
crisp snow
you guys are very rude
hollow dock
Its because we're best friends Demon
meager warren
and you're very cute
true matrix
I have been proper drunk all of once, at a friend's medieval-themed 18th birthday party. it was awesome and I'm never doing it again
meager warren
rip
zinc sandal
I choose not to drink. I’m too smart to lose neurons to alcohol.
true matrix
I love mead too much to give it up entirely
meager warren
yet u lose neurons to...
- breathing
- gaming
- talking
- thinking
- literally everything
hollow dock
I just can't drink. It's bad for me.
zinc sandal
Somebody doesn’t know how brains work
meager warren
crisp snow
😮
true matrix
ideally I shouldn't drink bc of my meds but. I do it anyway sometimes <_<
zinc sandal
Vris, drinking is bad for literally everyone lol
crisp snow
#grannyface
hollow dock
Yea but they wouldn't need a pump afterwards
meager warren
Try me
zinc sandal
Shuddup you shitfaced raccoon
meager warren
kek
crisp snow
we pump you good
true matrix
but yeah the designated driving gay isn't quite the same as a designated driver for a night on the town
crisp snow
night?
meager warren
you wanna see bad driving?
go to South America.
good driving?
Bali
true matrix
what about just kinda "meh" driving?
meager warren
That's Canada
hollow dock
nah bad driving is texas or las vegas after it's rained
zinc sandal
Canadians are not too good at driving because they will always let each other merge and neither will merge so traffic stops
hollow dock
THAT'S bad driving
meager warren
Canadians: The ones who know how to do everything but driving right.
hollow dock
They dont drive well because theyre to polite
zinc sandal
They’re so good they’re bad
hollow dock
and wait for the other to do their thing
crisp snow
too*
hollow dock
so neither do anything
zinc sandal
That’s exactly what I just said Vris
hollow dock
Arson didn't get it so I spelt it out
meager warren
i'm canadian by blood/ ancestry and i don't fit the stereotype of canadians
zinc sandal
Spelt? Are you English now?
hollow dock
then you're no true canadian.
meager warren
gee thanks
zinc sandal
We give it to you gay in this channel, Arson. You should know by now.
hollow dock
If you're not in the stereotypes, you couldn't possibly be canadian.
meager warren
wut
meager warren
how am i not canadian if that's where my family is from
zinc sandal
What mood are you on? Because I’m ON the mood.
hollow dock
Not even I know at any given moment what mood I am in
zinc sandal
Also, Arson, nationality =/= cultural identity
meager warren
cultural identity is a farce
zinc sandal
I was born in Cuba, my family is from Cuba, I’m -100% Cuban
I was raised in Spain
I think of myself as Spanish
meager warren
i was raised in Idaho but i don't fit cultural identity there either
zinc sandal
If it’s not for you, it’s not for you
hollow dock
I was raised Colombian and Cuban despite being american. So I see myself as hispanic. :v
zinc sandal
I’m hispanic, but I don’t talk like them, behave like them, enjoy the things they enjoy, etc.
shrug
I’m Eurotrash.
meager warren
hey, Europeans are beautiful
zinc sandal
Thank you
meager warren
np
zinc sandal
You’re beautiful, too, Southern boy
meager warren
i'm from the North actually
Idaho = North America
and if that weren't enough, i live on the northernmost part of Idaho
zinc sandal
Is it considered North in the US?
meager warren
lol
hollow dock
properly.
meager warren
tbh, i think most USA'ians are more uneducated than you are about everything
zinc sandal
Abathur voice Unacceptable.
hollow dock
I can hold a conversation, cuz I understand spanish well enough. I just can't speak it worth anything
zinc sandal
Did your parents never teach you?
hollow dock
Nope! they never taught me as a kid. Waited until I was in like year 4 and 5
meager warren
rip
hollow dock
Believe it or not, Im an obstinate kid.
zinc sandal
That’s just bad parenting.
meager warren
shameful parenting
hollow dock
So the lessons just never stuck
meager warren
someone call child support
zinc sandal
I’m honestly disappointed on parents who don’t teach their kids all the languages they know themselves.
I speak three languages and you better believe my kid will, too.
meager warren
all the awards
hollow dock
I very much cannot wrap my head around speaking a language other than english. But I can understand others, like Japanese, French, most dialects of Spanish (Can't understand most of the changed stuff in Portuguese )
zinc sandal
XD
hollow dock
Imagine Klingon. Or Thalassian. Or Darnassian.
meager warren
or English
hollow dock
Or WoW's gutterspeak
zinc sandal
I almost learn Arabic from one of my best friends who’s Muslim, but I left before she could teach me anything.
meager warren
ye
zinc sandal
Is it? I taught myself...
hollow dock
To speak absolute proper english, yea it's pretty hard.
meager warren
^
hollow dock
Like here.
Read and Read. YOu can't tell these are different words
but they are.
Lead and lead are another example.
zinc sandal
They’re pronounced differently, though
hollow dock
Imagine learning english for the first time.
zinc sandal
But you wouldn’t know in written form
meager warren
here, people "tak lik dis" even though it's particularly easy to type "talk like this"
the hardest thing is grammar, and punctuation
zinc sandal
If you “tak lik dis” I probably don’t wanna talk xD
zinc sandal
Guess I’ll have to if you’re gonna be my DD
hollow dock
I refuse to get a liscense unless everyones gonna be paying me to be their personal UBER
zinc sandal
Sure. I’ll pay you.
meager warren
Lead and Lead sound the same, but Lead and Lead doesn't.
Bed and Bed sound the same but Bead and Bead doesn't.
Moose and Goose are pronounced the same but Moose and Geese isn't.
House and Mouse are pronounced the same but Houses and Mice isn't
English is a cesspool of shit
meager warren
Snipes you
zinc sandal
Meeses omfg
leaden garden
English is a hard language to learn but it can be understood through Tough Thorough Thought. This statement is rough, but it always makes me laugh so hard I cough. But that's enough of that, I ought to have caught some rolled eyes by now. Though I only sought to make a very long, unsought joke
hollow dock
jesus fucking christ english is so terrible
leaden garden
God even typing that made me want to punch the english language lmao
meager warren
"Tough Thorough Thought?"
More like Tough Thorough Thot
zinc sandal
I only realized that’s supposed to be a joke when you pointed it out......
leaden garden
^ lol
hollow dock
topkek
leaden garden
Seriously though, typing that hurt my soul xD
hollow dock
god forbid you type or write a word you can say but have no idea on spelling.
Like Pterodactyl..
zinc sandal
Okay but what about “Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo”?
leaden garden
That was actually accurate, Vris lol
My spelling is actually really good. Has to be when you're a writer xD
hollow dock
Pterodactyl was the big one in my school.
leaden garden
lol
zinc sandal
What about pterodactyl?
zinc sandal
Really?
meager warren
Half f the words in my vocabulary, i don't know how to pronounce but i can spell
hollow dock
When you first tried to spell it did you know there was a silent P in it?
zinc sandal
Yeah ._.
leaden garden
You'd be surprise dhow many people don't know how to spell "Banana" and have to sing a song to remind them of it
zinc sandal
...What?
hollow dock
its bananas
meager warren
gotta go
hollow dock
b a n a n a s
meager warren
nubs
zinc sandal
You know what’s funny about words like pterodactyl?
Hearing people pronounce the P
Same with psychology and anything related to it
tropic trail
Yeah, it's funny when people pronounce the p in brain
zinc sandal
XD
true matrix
I'm a native speaker who's also studied english language
it's terrible
fascinating, but terrible
zinc sandal
It makes zero sense
true matrix
it has its rules and structures
it just fails to adhere to them sometimes
and also borrows from a lot of other languages
one of the reasons I found japanese such a refreshing change of pace
it has two irregular verbs. TWO!
THAT'S IT
zinc sandal
Spanish has three million verbal conjugations
There’s literally a book just about them
We had to study and memorize all of them.
hollow dock
at least in spanish when you find a new word, you spell it out exactly as its sounded.
hollow dock
Lookin at you Silent P words in the English language.
zinc sandal
Such as?
Because if you're talking about pterodactyl and psychology, those are latin words
So they're also used in Spanish
Pterodáctilo, psicología
meager warren
i have to sing the ABC's song sometimes to figure out how best to order alphabetically
uncut vault
All I’m saying is, English is an easy language through thorough tough thought.
meager warren
Thorough Tough Thot*
zinc sandal
Begone THOT
dusky ginkgo
English pronounciation makes no sense whatsoever and is terrible
steel venture
So. That's a hell of a 'fuck you'
meager warren
I don't know Ik'nal at all and i already love her.
zinc sandal
Zandalari are the default priest and scholar tribe
meager warren
Just the right amount of sass and optimism inside of the pessimism.
💯
steel venture
This poor girl.
tulip sun
I hope she becomes a semi-prominent figure
She has something going for her with being named.
A lot of other speakers are generic
meager warren
They name a lot of people and not everyone becomes prominent
tulip sun
Obviously. I am basing it off what I saw in Zuldazar.
Almost all speakers have a generic name, with two I remember having real names
meager warren
maybe we'll see some Shadowtooth ghosts
tulip sun
My point by saying that was hoping for her to just not be forgotten in a black hole
meager warren
she'll very likely be forgotten
dense plover
all tribes have at least one named person
and its extremely unlikely she will play any role
sharp bluff
I’m surprised there is no Darkspear rep if they like to collect tribe reps, even if they do dislike the horde
proud karma
presumably there'll be one! the shatterspear and revantusk are horde so
true matrix
http://meat-vendor.tumblr.com/post/167394936343 late response but
meager warren
tfw shitty tanks blame the healer for dying.
even though the healer is doing their job
maybe try not pulling everything at once instead of being a dick
rich apex
Turalyon yes
meager warren
Illidan would rekt Turalyon
hollow dock
So they were wiped
Alright. Less outrage now.
She's the last, or one of the last, of her kind.
meager warren
the player character is constantly wiped but they come back somehow.
Let the rage flow through you
mental onyx
When was shadowtooth wiped
meager warren
since it became canon
hollow dock
Third War and the Twilight's Hammer invasion of Hyjal
uncut vault
That’s one thicc turalyon
rich apex
thicc with the Light
ruby star
Can't wait for us to see some plundering Islands gameplay! Whenever that is
meager warren
or, in live, when it's actually in the game
terse patrol
tbh I get the feeling there might be some jokes in the dialogue in the alpha.
Seems weird to throw in the Shadowtooth just to have a sorta joking dialogue for them.
I think it’ll be one of those things they swap out for the real text when the expac launches.
uncut vault
I mean, it's not really much of a joke dialogue. She makes a joke, but what she says is accurate
its basically "zandalari feel bad for me because all my people are dead"
hollow dock
Yea. Dark humor to deflect any depressive feelings on it
meager warren
"At least i don't have to pay for my own food"
"Hmm, i wonder how i can use my past to take advantage of these stupid sods"
dense plover
yeah, its not joke dialogue
she makes a joke
but that doesnt make it joke dialogue
meager warren
Alcohol doesn't affect my pain in anyway.
It makes it worse
dense plover
okay
thats you
a lot of people drink to make the pain go away
so many that it is literally a stereotype in movies
old helm
i swapped channels to see people arguing if drinking eases emotional pain
hollow dock
We're not
dense plover
yeah, we arent
hollow dock
We're explaining to Arson the situation pretaining to our last remaining member of the Shadowtooth clan of Dark Trolls.
dense plover
we are discussing the seriousness of some dialogue from an insignificant npc
old helm
ah
hollow dock
In which she makes a joke about getting free drinks because she's the last living dark troll.
meager warren
there are probably a lot of other people who are like me in that aspect
terse patrol
I choose to hold on hope that dark trolls still exist. 😦
hollow dock
Dark humor to deflect off the depression.
hollow dock
Yup.
dense plover
@terse patrol they are literally telling everyone in game that they are all dead
there is no hope
they are gone
old helm
i'd be sad as shit if i were the last of my clan
hollow dock
As is drinking your pains away.
meager warren
lesson learned people, don't give poor people money.
give them food
dense plover
what?
old helm
yikes, several people typing
hollow dock
Yea
old helm
gonna be a good bunch of responses
hollow dock
this is the norm for the Spoilers chat
terse patrol
it just seems weird that this is the second thing that came out of Zandalar that says "Those hopes and dreams you got? spits on them"
dense plover
yeah
terse patrol
First one was the Prelates of Rezan.
dense plover
the zandalari are not nice
they are reinforcing this message
have you not watched any videos
old helm
the power they hold certainly will be though
meager warren
I like the Last Shadowtooth
hollow dock
Though its not -always- pretaining to BFA stuff, it'll mostly be.
dense plover
the streets are literally filled with vagrants who are unfed
dense plover
yeah thats their logic
anyone who doesnt commune with the loa or have strength is a peasant and deserves nothing
meager warren
Stares at doodle
That joke is in bad taste
old helm
the zandalari might not be the nicest fellows, but then again the darkspear used to preform some dark rituals and the orcs were well, demonspawn, and they changed
dense plover
orcs arent demonspawn
uncut vault
tbf both cities have pretty shit situations
dense plover
they drank fel blood
old helm
they might as well have been
uncut vault
lots of poverty
old helm
there's poverty in orgrimmar, isn't there?
an entire section of the city is classified as a slums
meager warren
they ain't lit demon spawn.
but they demonspawn
old helm
fair enough
and the goblins living conditions werent all that different there than in kezan honestly
just a bit less room
old helm
this is also true
dense plover
goblins do that on their own
old helm
little turds breed like rabbits
like gnomes
eugh
gnomes are literal demonspawn, i despise them with a passion
uncut vault
Im sorry about your horrible opinions.
meager warren
i think you mean metaphorical
uncut vault
Must be tough to live with them.
old helm
if they could have even bigger beards, then maybe
i'd love to see a gnome with a beard as long as a dwarf's
a half gnome, half dwarf
meager warren
you want the second smallest race in the game to have big beards?
what next, murloc playable races?
old helm
baby murlocs, naturally
and maybe snails
second smallest?
what's shorter than a gnome?
meager warren
Slaps no
old helm
gallywix is a prickass, but he's the embodiment of all things goblin
how do i do italics again
/yes/
wait
yes
meager warren
he IS the embodiment of all things goblin.
their entire culture is scamming people
old helm
im willing to put up with it if it means i get to play a snarky 4 foot tall green man that steals wallets
and blowing things up
sometimes a combination of the two
dense plover
blowing up vaults to steal wallets
old helm
gallywix is gonna get stomped in bfa, i feel whatever he has going on is gonna blow up in his face
dense plover
im excited to see him in the spotlight
old helm
and sylvanas is gonna get some splash damage
i am too, but im worried
gallywix isn't practical by any means
dense plover
yes he is
old helm
wrong term
dense plover
he is extremely practical
thats how he makes so much money
he is the reason the horde has so much money
old helm
i cant think of the word i wanted to use
dense plover
he makes them tons of money
steel venture
he's corrupt, twisted, would sell his own people for profit, etc
meager warren
he's like, superhumanly practical
old helm
idk man, sylvanas
steel venture
enough moolah and he'll be talking
dense plover
absolutely
meager warren
corporations of irl wish they could be as practical as Gally
old helm
i dont like her
dense plover
except that the horde is clearly the best place to make money
uncut vault
I mean he's already working with the Alliance to get islands
old helm
goblins are known for playing both sides, arent they?
uncut vault
He pays off the alliance to get islands
dense plover
what is your source?
old helm
w o w h e a d p e r h a p s
uncut vault
"So I'm pleased you Alliance types see the wisdom in my business proposition.
We can keep this our little secret. What Sylvanas don't know won't hurt her, am I right?
Now that it's finally official, there's only one thing left to do... Get your Alliance butts off my newly acquired island!"
WoWhead
old helm
goblins doing what they do best
dense plover
he is essentially using them as mercs
old helm
i just have a feeling gallywix is gonna slip sometime soon
uncut vault
afaik, he works with the alliance and they clear an island of the venture co
old helm
either sylvanas is gonna wreck him for flubbing, or he's gonna make a small mistake and it'll snowball
uncut vault
alliance gets the azerite, gallywix gets the island
dense plover
gallywix has been doing this sort of stuff since the start
and alliance gets the azerite on the surface
gallywix gets more than them
by a lot
old helm
gallywix gets the kajamite B)
dense plover
plus the land
uncut vault
never said humans were smart
old helm
gallywix, you sly devil
dense plover
hes a bastard
uncut vault
he's also replaced his troll slaves with gorillas
dense plover
and i half hope that king of diamonds theory is in fact about him
but i enjoy his character too much to want him to die
maybe just scare him into falling back in line
brink of death sort of thing
old helm
what was the name of that one dwarf?
i forgot his name, and i cant remember for the life of me
it wasnt magni was it?
meager warren
what dwarf
tropic trail
magni?
hollow dock
Well, to be fair. Its a little to on the nose, despite it sounding and looking true.
old helm
i feel there's gonna be a curveball in that whole riddle
hollow dock
When deciphering the Old Gods, you must understand they talk purely in metaphor and never speak literally.
old helm
like somethings not gonna need to be overanalyzed and its gonna be right in front of us
well
i just contradicted that one
tropic trail
I think some of the lines are thrown in purely to throw us off
old helm
yea
tropic trail
like the boy king line
hollow dock
red herrings
tropic trail
unless it's not talking about anduin
hollow dock
I dont think it is. As breaking down that statement
Boy King can mean any leader that is young or inexperienced.
old helm
was there any part of the riddle referring to the void by any chance?
hollow dock
and when you have a member of the old gods speaking of a boy king, that can mean literally anyone.
hollow dock
^
old helm
what about tirion and that one windrunner sister (veressa?)'s son?
tropic trail
yeah, but looking at it from their perspective seems too far a stretch, it would be someone we consider a boy king
old helm
could he be a boy king at all?
hollow dock
yea.
hollow dock
You mean Arator
old helm
sure
hollow dock
and he's not a king of anyone.
tropic trail
king of the half elves
old helm
im not up to snuff on lore tonight it seems
hollow dock
And it really isn't a stretch to take their words and spin it from their perspective Green.
old helm
i figured he would lead the paladins after the player shoved off to kul tiras/zuldazar
tropic trail
it's too vague if we assume anyone could be the boy king they're reffering too
hollow dock
I have a theory that the old gods see into every timeline in existence at once. Omniscient beings and all that. Whatever they spew could be a truth but not for us specifically in the past, present of future.
As the void sees every possibility as a truth.
old helm
and they only reveal half truths, the bastards
tropic trail
I doubt it, I don't think blizzard will be touching alternate timelines any time soon
hollow dock
Well theyre not entirely half truths or full lies. Depending on where you are for perspective.
tropic trail
outside of small stuff like chromie
hollow dock
They're doing that with Alternate Dreanor
Those Orcs, the rangari are coming back which are from the alternate draenei
old helm
what the hell was the overall story with draenor anyways? besides us whooping archimonde and garrosh dying
hollow dock
So is the theory. Think back all the way to the Puzzle Box of Yogg-saron.
The overall story of Draenor was a slightly altered version of our timelines story.
tropic trail
the story was us trying to stop grom and garrys father son bonding
old helm
few early deaths and tweaks, but overall the same?
tropic trail
but for some reason we forgave grom for trying to commit genocide
old helm
and he ended up fighting with us
hollow dock
The alterations include:
Garrosh never being born as Groms wife died early.
Ner'zhul never becoming a warlock as his wife never died. He never tricked the horde into attacking the Draenei.
Gul'dan was contacted by the Legion first and it wasn't a facade like it was with Ner'zhul.
old helm
so the legion were up front with gul'dan
hollow dock
Yup.
old helm
and ner'zhul stayed in his lane
hollow dock
Indeedy.
old helm
what would possess gul'dan to work for the legion though? just a 'hey, work or die'?
old helm
i remember gul'dan being exiled for being weak
tropic trail
he was a cripple that was cast out by his tribe, so he sought power, the elements deemed him unworthy, but in place of the elements the legions voices spoke to him and offered the power he sought
tropic trail
and then he killed his entire tribe, keeping the cane of the one orc that showed sympathy towards him
old helm
those greenblooded pricks are pretty good at finding cracks in our armor, arent they?
hollow dock
They are.
old helm
and speaking of
hollow dock
They tried to do that to Khadgar in a very similar manner. Khadgar being helpless, abandoned by the world.
old helm
wasn't it clarified that there's only one legion? like, the alternate timeline didnt have a seperate legion
yea
rich apex
In before Khadgar goes evil
Because he saved the world
And we just start murdering each other after
hollow dock
Yup. The Nether pierces all timelines at once.
Which causes to many problems so don't ask anymore than that
rich apex
I for one welcome Khadgar as our Guardian God-King
hollow dock
I rather liked how they handled it.
tropic trail
khadgar isn't participating in the fighting
tho i wonder if he'll not show up at all during BfA
hollow dock
Showing the duality between Khadgar and Gul'dan and showing which is truly the better half.
old helm
why would he? he worked with the best of both sides, i dont blame him for not wanting to pick up arms against the people he fought with
hollow dock
Middle of the expac he'll show up, tell us he told us so, then lead us against the Old Gods.
tropic trail
yeah, sounds about right
rich apex
He'll show up when N'zoth shows up
old helm
or tell us that we're fucked
hollow dock
nah that's magnis job
tropic trail
I kinda want jaina to show him up and outperform him magically
old helm
ThE PLaNeT iS dYiNg
hollow dock
Who cares
tropic trail
stahp
old helm
:^)
old helm
she's just a nutter imo
hollow dock
She's really not
old helm
justified, but still
she still has a burning hatred for the horde, correct?
i know tyrande certainly does
hollow dock
Indeed. Breaking Dalaran's law, Bombing of Theramore, now Varian's death.
old helm
that's right
tropic trail
it's more a cold hatred, I doubt she would kill on sight anymore
old helm
poor dude
tropic trail
at least, I don't think she would
old helm
i'm full horde, but varian died like a champ
she'd freeze the ground and watch the taurens try to catch their footing
hollow dock
old helm
i just hope the turn out for this war doesn't shred the horde
hollow dock
it wont.
tropic trail
azeroth is the name of the lower half of eastern kingdoms
hollow dock
None of these HvA conflicts will ever have a definite winner.
hollow dock
Legit. Wanna see what happens ever time the HvA conflict starts up again?
old helm
thunder bluff is gonna go up in smoke, mark my words
hollow dock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVZNbmWnWHY this is what happens every single time.
uncut vault
I dont think that thunder bluff will get touched, simply because of the taurajo base nearby
old helm
a horde city's gonna get torched as a result
sharp bluff
I feel like them attacking Thunderbluff could be the worst thing they could do since Night Elfs and Taurens kinda are chill with each other most of the time
old helm
aside from undercity
uncut vault
horde doesnt need to lose two cities
hollow dock
And Thunderbluff being attacked doesn't stop the Cenarion Circle from existing.
old helm
no, but it certainly won't help ease tensions
who bombed teldrassil tho, thats what i want to know
i have a feeling there's some fuckery afoot
tropic trail
the horde did
old helm
i doubt that we would have a theramore pt.2
literally every horde leader condemned the bombing
albeit different reasonings
hell, even garrosh thought it was cruel
he killed the general that dropped the bomb
uncut vault
garrosh stuff in stonetalon was a miscommunication
sharp bluff
He did? I thought that was the general that nuked the one druid tree
dense plover
look, there isnt a ssecond retaliation for the burning of teldrassil
old helm
garrosh threw him off a cliff
dense plover
the siege of lordaeron already is retaliation
old helm
told him about the women and children
dense plover
anduin is king, not varian
dense plover
uh no
old helm
or attempting to
dense plover
^
old helm
the forsaken aren't going to budge, so it's gonna shred their numbers nonetheless
sharp bluff
It was Greymane's goal
rich apex
(which begs the question of how he expects to end the war, of course)
rich apex
(but the narrative won't let teh Horde lose, so he won't have to face that moral quandry)
uncut vault
greymane doesnt even really care about the forsaken, just sylvanas
old helm
her people take priority
old helm
hm
tropic trail
I have a feeling greymane wants to do to the forsaken what sylvanas did to his people
dense plover
read the datamined dialogue before making assumptions
old helm
i figured undercity would just plug up and wait it out
dense plover
nope
old helm
greymane felt that way the seconds the gates cracked open
sharp bluff
Nah, the mined text has her sending all the forsaken away in portals
dense plover
^
she knows its not a place to hold
but she fights for two reasons
its the horde's way
old helm
then why did it take so long for the alliance to take it back?
dense plover
a bit
uncut vault
dense plover
they dont strike back before BfA
uncut vault
music brought back bad memories
dense plover
the tree burning doesnt happen until BfA