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#beta-ptr-spoilers
hollow dock
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vris loves jaina a lot watch out
hollow dock
she did it because THE HORDE BROKE THE LAW
opaque sentinel
SHE WAS KILLING CIVILLIANS.
hollow dock
SHE WASN'T ACTUALLY
opaque sentinel
NOT JUST SUNREAVERS.
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you'll never ever convince them that she was
hollow dock
THAT'S A HUGE MISCONCEPTION
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see
hollow dock
Anyone who plays the quest knows she sends us to root out those who are ingrained
meager warren
if they made all races neutral, WoW would be better for it even if they didn't remove the HvA scheme
hollow dock
but she knocks people out and imprisons them
pallid wraith
Are you sure? O_o I played that scenario. She was killing civvys
hollow dock
not kill
hollow dock
You haven't barach
pallid wraith
link it
frosty matrix
HvA has literally been the underlying backbone of the franchise since 1994. I seriously doubt it'll ever change.
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google time 🕶
uncut vault
Jaina killing civilian NPCs was a bug that got quickly fixed
hollow dock
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hollow dock
She doesn't kill, she attacks and harms, but does not kill them
meager warren
if that's all Warcraft amounts to for you, i'm really sad for you
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frosty matrix
Of course it's not all it amounts to for me.
hollow dock
Yes to UPROOT them. Sunreavers aren't civilians.
frosty matrix
I'm talking about it from Blizzard's perspective, and from a marketing/sales standpoint, not a personal one.
uncut vault
vereesa =/= jaina, and we kill sunreavers that refuse to surrender
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jaina gives you the quest
tulip sun
I mean, she sent mercenaries pretty much to arrest or kill innocent sin'dorei
tulip sun
How do you think they'll react
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she starts the chain
hollow dock
Description
The Sunreaver's Sanctuary is still crawling with those Horde-loving Sunreavers.
Jaina will have sent the reasonable ones to the Violet Hold. The rest refuse to leave, raising their weapons against us.
Show them the cost of their defiance. They now face the judgment of the Alliance, the Silver Covenant, and the Kirin Tor!
LOOK AT THE DESCRIPTION
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she doesnt follow you holding your hand but it's her orders
uncut vault
I think you should read the quest text you just linked
hollow dock
JUST READ THE QUEST OMG
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Jaina's doing a good job taking care of Sunreavers above ground, but there's still plenty rooting around in the sewers.
Go find those lying rats and exterminate them!
opaque sentinel
The early stages of the purge were left in the hands of Vereesa Windrunner, who instructed Alliance agents to pacify the Sunreavers in the sewers and eliminate the uprising inside the Sunreaver's Sanctuary, to stop and kill a Magister attempting to withdraw assets from the bank and flee the city, to kill the shopkeepers who had refused to side with the Silver Covenant, and to either subdue or kill the dragonhawks in Krasus' Landing, thus disallowing the Sunreavers a method of escape from the city. When the deeds are done, the Silver Covenant is mobilized to join in the purge, and Jaina calls in Alliance forces waiting at the Antonidas Memorial to battle the Sunreavers as well.[14]
meager warren
Warcraft has changed enough since 1994 to be something different than just a "war-game."
In over 20 years, it's had enough time to develop its own personality
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It's nice to have those rats out of here for good. Well done, hero.
you kill 32 fleeing belfs
so
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i am 100% sure we've had this conversation
pallid wraith
Oohh I didn't know it was a bug. That's... a huge relief. I like Jaina
uncut vault
Vereesa's kinda shitty and hates belfs: news at 11
hollow dock
^
meager warren
For Blizzard to stick with "Oh, sorry. We're never letting you play neutral races/ factions because the game is built on warring between these races and these factions" is ridiculously stupid
hollow dock
Her killing the civvies was an unintended bug.
frosty matrix
Conflict sells.
hollow dock
She's supposed to bring em down to 1% hp then cast an imprisonment spell that sends them to VH
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ok >_>;
meager warren
yes it does but when that conflict is pointless, people get tired of it
uncut vault
yes, it was, she was supposed to teleport them to the violet hold, accidentally used attacks
pallid wraith
😄 good
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im telling yall, there's a solution. and it's Boss Mida (Her Tallness)'s 24/7 all faction smack down
frosty matrix
I think the vast majority of players would be unwilling to see the Horde and Alliance dissolve or become entirely neutral.
opaque sentinel
I think a vast majority of players don't actually care.
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they would in the smackdown (tm)
opaque sentinel
It's just the super-fans who buy all the merch who'd care.
uncut vault
Im sure if they gave us a badass cutscene from terran gregory people would love it
hollow dock
Just us lore nerds will N.E.R.D. R.A.G.E. over it
opaque sentinel
Actually, as a Lore Nerd, I'm raging over unneeded conflict that should have stopped around Wrath.
meager warren
the vast majority of players aren't vocal.
The people who are unwilling to see the HvA scheme change are very likely to be toxic and to complain about everything without providing constructive criticism
hollow dock
It should have stopped at Vanilla
pallid wraith
Hmm, what if the conflict stayed though? How could they write it better/
opaque sentinel
To some degree, yes. But we should have had the war "worked out" of our systems by the 2nd old god in Uludar and the thought of our planet literally being re-originated.
hollow dock
By having both sides commit attrocities at the sametime
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the whole "oh we beat the evil dragon yay!" ok let's fight "oh we beat the zombie apocalypse yay!" ok let's fight "Oh we beat the demon apocalypse yay" *Ok let's-
meager warren
no, that's not better writing
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etc etc
opaque sentinel
They'd have to kill off everyone sensible.
hollow dock
Have actual legitimate reasons to keep the war going
hollow dock
that's how they could write it better than forcing the conflict at every turn
opaque sentinel
There should be no reason for conflict.
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They really should have just make Alliance the aggressors this xpac
they have some semblance of a reason, Sylv really doesnt
meager warren
Making Alleria leader of the Alliance and bringing Garrosh back and making him leader of the Horde would probably do it
frosty matrix
Azeroth has been in conflict since before the War of the Ancients. It's kind of "our thing"
hollow dock
Sylv doesn't believe peace can exist if the alliance is still around port
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btw, watching that Purge vid always makes me laugh
opaque sentinel
We know there is Azshara, we know that there is N'zoth, Void Lords, Infected Planets etc etc.
We're close to having 2 dude-bro's in charge of the factions who'd gladly throw down the flags of war.
hollow dock
its why she moves to attack Darnassus and the Night Elves.
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people always claiming Aethas was as powerful or better a mage than jaina
meager warren
Yet the Pandaren hate pointless war. No, it's not "our thing"
opaque sentinel
But that's when Blizz goes "LOL SOMETHING EXTRA SUPER HORRIBLE", and boom.
uncut vault
when he just sits there like a bitch as she kills his soldiers than instantly freezes him
frosty matrix
The Pandaren are literal outliers
opaque sentinel
Another faction conflict.
frosty matrix
They've been on their own little island for ages, they ended up joining the Horde or Alliance anyway, and they've had their own battles against the Mantid and the Mogu
hollow dock
With Rhonin dead, Jaina is one of the most powerful mages on Azeroth tho. Now that Mehdiv is back and all.
frosty matrix
So what your point is there, I don't know
hollow dock
not all the pandarendid Seb
frosty matrix
No, I know
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my only small tiny hope is that maaaaybe the tree is beyond saving and needs burned. I mean, it's full of corruption and has been for years. Maybe we learn some old god stuff and Ms. Zombie is like "eh im evil. we're not asking, it goes"
frosty matrix
I didn't mean all of them, and there are non-Pandaren who hate conflict
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that is my hope
hollow dock
The majority still do not believe inconflict
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my one glimmer
uncut vault
People just always get cranky about Jaina being the best mage around
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dont destroy it please ill cry
hollow dock
The tree was blessed Barach
uncut vault
"wahh elves should be better" and all that
meager warren
The goblins are largely neutral except for bilgewater cartel goblins.
The druids are largely neutral.
The illidari are neutral.
hollow dock
so the corruption is no longer a plot device
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it's so full of demons
frosty matrix
That doesn't mean that Azeroth hasn't been in near-perpetual conflict since its creation.
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it's so full of them. shhhh
hollow dock
Its no longer filled with them.
hollow dock
Teldrassils problems have been solved in the past :v
frosty matrix
The presence of neutrality doesn't remove the presence of conflict.
proud karma
the stabbing brought them back shhh
uncut vault
inb4 "teldrassils roots went down to the core of azeroth, now azerite is growing on it" or some random shit
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yall have nordrassil it's fine it's fine please dont let it be mopx2
meager warren
i'm not saying Azeroth hasn't been in near-perpetual conflict.
Your claim that Azeroth's thing is conflict is kinda odd though since there are exceptions
hollow dock
it was Aqir and trolls
if it wasn't them
it was Trolls and Pandaren
if it wasn't them
it was Night elves and demons
so on so forth
frosty matrix
I put it in air quotes, I don't know how much more obvious I can make it that I was being glib and hyperbolic.
hollow dock
Aqir andTrolls was that one Barach
uncut vault
I mean, it is the World of Warcraft, whether fighting world ending threats or each other, the franchise is all about conflict
meager warren
Oh, and i'm the troll?
frosty matrix
^
hollow dock
we kinda can't up this conflict anymore
uncut vault
Thats why I liked how they wrote Anduin and varian, it was a person of peace vs a person of war, and inthe end neither ideology really won out
opaque sentinel
Conflict against forces much greater than us have always superseded faction conflict.
And now we know we have a titan under our feet, and that there are other Old gods down there, and that there are Void Lords.
Faction conflict should go away because killing each other till no one is left for the actual stuff...
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all pvp all the time this is runescape now
hollow dock
we're fighting over the possible corpse of a titan at this point
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god i hope she's alive!
hollow dock
Well we know she hasn't port
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azeroth is alive she's talking and bleeding
pallid wraith
No >=[ Azeroth is alive. Don't you ruin that for me. >=[
hollow dock
Not that second bit
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we gotta save her
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we darn well better save her
hollow dock
by some random Lightforged
frosty matrix
Nah, Azeroth is dead/corrupted and Muradin has been talking to an Old God pretending to be Azeroth
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she better not be human
hollow dock
Personally
frosty matrix
waggles eyebrows
opaque sentinel
If they go WoW is just a dream, I will literally quit. And eat my original game disks.
hollow dock
I want Azeroth to die
uncut vault
I mean, we know SOMETHING is alive and talking to magni and the titan constructs
hollow dock
I want us to fail in saving her
meager warren
There are demons, there's the Void, the Silithid, the Sha, and dozens of other factions the Horde/ Alliance could fight.
Making the factions neutral wouldn't change the War part of warcraft
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WE'D JUST BE ARGUS
hollow dock
Not entirely Barach.
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THAT'S WORSE ON THE BORING SCALE
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king of diamonds has been made a pawn, after all
hollow dock
Sha are gone Arson
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i want to SEE mom, i want to SAVE mom
hollow dock
She's not our mom Barach
meager warren
Sha are never gone.
They're like, gravity
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and i WANT HER TO LOOK COOL AND NOT BE HUMAN
opaque sentinel
That's when we find out that they don't mean Magni because Old Gods are rarely so literal.
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she is
hollow dock
They are infact gone. the onlything that tied the Sha to our plane of existance was the heart of Y'shaarj
hollow dock
and that's destroyed now.
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mothership, if you will
strong python
What?
frosty matrix
The thing is, we are fighting those things. We have been fighting them. The faction conflict has been kind of understated for a few expacs, and now that it's back at the forefront, people are losing their minds and saying it's trite and boring.
meager warren
:khadgarface:
As of MoP, the heart of Y'shaarj is gone.
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"Oh my friend, today you and your companions have put an end to the sha that has plagued Pandaria since before time was recorded. You have accomplished that which even the titans and their mogu servants could not: destroying the last breaths of Y'Shaarj."
meager warren
nah. what's trite and boring is the HvA scheme
hollow dock
destroying the last breaths of Y'Shaarj.
frosty matrix
That is literally what I said
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there are a few minor remnants in pandaria, but they will fade out
hollow dock
h my friend, today you and your companions have put an end to the sha that has plagued Pandaria since before time was recorded
meager warren
o. apologies
hollow dock
You have put an end to the sha
meager warren
we also kinda brought the Sha back to Pandaria
opaque sentinel
HvA has been played out since Wrath; everything since then has been a further exercise in Blizz's ability to try and create conflict in a world where we're fighting things that could destroy our entire planet and us with it.
frosty matrix
The Sha were always there. We just kind of brought it bubbling to the surface.
sudden oak
we awakened them with the horde alliance war
hollow dock
The reason the pandaren are such pacifists is literally to supress the Sha
frosty matrix
^
sudden oak
^
frosty matrix
They suppress negative emotions to prevent the Sha from manifesting
opaque sentinel
Let's just keep adding to the body count of our own people/soldiers so that when those evil extra-dimensional villains show up we can't fight them.
sudden oak
also drink a lot
meager warren
i never said they weren't always there. what i meant was, we fueled it to make it more powerful and more prominent
opaque sentinel
And then I can break my fingers in frustration.
hollow dock
can't be despressed if you're drunk
meager warren
if you break ur fingers, take a video of it, eh?
hollow dock
Ah ok. the words you used made it sound like they left and we brought em
meager warren
i'm tired, ok
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what do yall think of the More Humans for the alliance
i like the new body types, personally!
hollow dock
I like it
frosty matrix
MORE CUSTOMIZATION OPTIONS FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
hollow dock
Better than the fucking Feeple that's for sure
frosty matrix
PLEASE
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but it's a lil sad that "normal" humans can't be fat
sudden oak
I mean the horde gets more orcs
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feeple? what
meager warren
Feeple?
hollow dock
Fox people
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playable snitties when
sudden oak
and the alliance gets more humans
hollow dock
SNEEPLES GET THE SNITTIES
sudden oak
you mean vulpera
meager warren
NO. KEEP SNITTIES OUT
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alliance is all humans
meager warren
SNAKES DON'T HAVE BOOBS
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plus goats
sudden oak
if the alliance gets vulperas
hollow dock
YOU CAN'T PREVENT THE SNITTIES FROM COMIN
frosty matrix
Udders are cow tiddies
uncut vault
I mean, the Stromgarde update makes me very happy, we finally get some role reversal
sudden oak
I want sethrak
meager warren
COWS HAVE UDDERS
sudden oak
for the horde
uncut vault
a dusty old human church is replaced by gnome and goblin buildings
sudden oak
I know
hollow dock
they interact with them first/the most
opaque sentinel
Until I get tattoos and Earrings for all males in game, I will rage.
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Human, short human, shorter human, werewolf human, Tolkien elf, COOL GOATS and now..... we bring you.....................humans, but fat now
sudden oak
but I have seen a lot of ppl saying the vulpera will be alliance
frosty matrix
I don't think Alliance getting the snake people would work
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i think the vulpera won't be because they're horde, but use the goblin skeleton
sudden oak
and it makes me suffer
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just lowers the liklihood a smidge to me
hollow dock
It makes mesuffer to say they're getting added in to be playable because theyre cute
meager warren
Give the fox people to the alliance and give the Horde the sneeple
sudden oak
its the same with the "saurfang is going to betray the horde"
and the draenor orcs are from the alliance
hollow dock
I think Saurfang will work with anduin to undermine and remove Sylvanas from power
proud karma
alliance orcs was a pretty funny theory
sudden oak
I just want to stab that kind of ppl tbh
opaque sentinel
I'm guessing if they are a thing, they're going Horde because Horde is literally working to free them and save them from the Sethrak.
Alliance will either get the Sethrak to counter it, or something else undisclosed.
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alternatively: Varimathras was talking about Saurfang betraying Anduin for Sylvanas
opaque sentinel
Just like they currently don't have anything to counter Draenorcs.
uncut vault
just to rustle up both factions feelings
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kul tiran humans fit
hollow dock
thin humans fit that bill perfectly
uncut vault
the chad draenorcs vs the virgin thin humans
sudden oak
if the alliance gets sethrak then we horde players can cry about how the alliance is evil and allow slavery :^)
meager warren
Alliance getting sneeple wouldn't make sense since the Horde gets all the cool races
meager warren
they're short af
frosty matrix
You spelled "ugly" funny
meager warren
HEY, DON'T DISS MY ORCS
frosty matrix
"c o o l" never seen it spelled like that
hollow dock
Orcs are ugly.
meager warren
HERETIC
hollow dock
^
opaque sentinel
SCREES
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http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/260/149/d0a.jpg thin humans vs draenorcs
opaque sentinel
I'd let Saurfang Bautista bomb me into bed.
meager warren
the GOBLINS ARE UGLY
sudden oak
you got the cool werewolfs meanwhile we got the greedy little shits
meager warren
and look at the GNOMES
uncut vault
gnomes are beautiful
hollow dock
Gnomes are beautiful creatures of invention and wonderous technology
sudden oak
gnomes are a mistake of the titans
meager warren
you spelled "atrocious" wrong
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the poor goblin model is 3 polygons. the poor goblin male face
hollow dock
Your greedy little shits just blow everything up
sudden oak
they are only useful as tauren food
meager warren
goblins have blimps too?
proud karma
um. not helicopters
hollow dock
We have airships that are considered flying fortresses.
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yeah thats what i meant
frosty matrix
We have an entire underground railway. Your blimps are held together with patches.
hollow dock
that spew out helicopters
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goblins
hollow dock
and have machine guns
frosty matrix
Gnome tech > Goblin tech
hollow dock
^
meager warren
the orcs have flying fortresses as well c:
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blizz puts neither of them in promo art
frosty matrix
Held together with tape and dreams
hollow dock
Yea and how many have you lost in the time it took for us to lose 1?
My point stands
meager warren
The Horde stuff is held together with "Blood and honor"
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they are both the short smart ones with 4 fingers that are never given promo art
uncut vault
just look at the leaders, mekkatorques got a way better mech
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they both lose.....lose respect
frosty matrix
Gallywix is a fat little capitalist
meager warren
the gnomes have to deal with the humans.
poor gnomes
sudden oak
gally is a greedy asshole
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Boss mida for trade princess
meager warren
humans are also greedy
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THATS NOT WOW
uncut vault
boss mida for trade queen
meager warren
THOSE EARS LOOK LIKE WoW
hollow dock
IT PROVES THAT GOBLINS ARE NOTHING MORE THAN CHEATERS
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SO
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NEVER
meager warren
at least the goblins can cheat with style
sudden oak
I wonder why in the BfA cinematic the alliance had more races than the horde
meager warren
can the gnomes say that?
no
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huh
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oh. uh, im not sure. that art was weird. who was that nelf
meager warren
goblins made the Sky Golem thingy
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was she a lore nelf?
sudden oak
in the horde side we had undead trolls orcs and taurens
hollow dock
And no she's just a random elf
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(im being silly, i like both and i think they should get to be in promo art)
hollow dock
Literally everyone there is just random except genn and anduin
sudden oak
the alliance side has worgen humans dwarves nelves and draenei
hollow dock
WAIT
meager warren
i bet the goblins could make mechanical life if Bliz let them unleash their full potential
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like put a gnome in a cool mech! or a gob in a cool mech!
hollow dock
THAT'S THE ELF FROM THE VANILLA CINEMATIC
frosty matrix
Their full potential is money grubbing
hollow dock
THAT'S THE DWARF TOO
hollow dock
that's a neat little detail
meager warren
money-grubbing is a vice of their's.
not their potential that hasn't been found yet.
we already know they're greedy
hollow dock
I dont think they did the same with the horde poster
maybe its just because theyre armored
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I think the whole "if i don't get kaja'mite i lose my sentience and very sense of self" is a mean way to write. what a cruel plot!
sudden oak
but the nelves in the BfA cinematic where mages
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have em be permanantly changed like the gnomes are, i say
hollow dock
yea highborne taught night elves.
uncut vault
tbf the bfA promotion posters are just kinda dumb
sudden oak
and the vanilla nelf was a druid
sudden oak
she appeared in WoD too
meager warren
i think the only races that are truly neutral are goblins and pandaren.
they may just be the smartest as well since they have some semblance of free-thinking
uncut vault
pretty sure the lady in the promotional stuff and the nelf mages were just randos, not named people
we meet the nelf druid from the vanilla cinematic in WoD
hollow dock
The nelf druid in Vanilla is confirmed to be Qiana?
sudden oak
and the horde follower is the tauren from vanilla cinematic if im not mistaken
meager warren
"Never gonna give u up"
sudden oak
Olan or something like that
frosty matrix
That'd be cool as hell though if it were true
tulip sun
I mean, they are similar appearance-wise
sudden oak
also the nelf from vanilla cant be the one from the alliance poster
those nelves are mages
and she is a druid
frosty matrix
Hey, college students switch majors all the time
You don't know her life
Maybe she got sick of being called a furry
hollow dock
there's a lot of details missing as I compare the 2
meager warren
"once you go druid, you never go back"
sudden oak
then tell blizzard to also give us player a way to change classes :^)
hollow dock
Yea its called 'log onto a different character ya lazy bum'
Also not all nelves are mages
If she were a mage, why would she have a bow 🤔
meager warren
why wouldn't she?
you bow-ist!
sudden oak
the 2-3 nelves that were shown in the cinematic were using spells
hollow dock
Druids also use spells.
sudden oak
and I mean fire/frost
meager warren
In skyrim, they use bows
hollow dock
Moonfire and Sunfire
sudden oak
moonfire is arcane and sunfire is nature
hollow dock
But yea the only resemblence is their face tats look similar. I dont think our followers in WoD are from the Vanilla cinematics
sudden oak
wait im retarded
she is one of the archers that shoot at saurfang
I forgot about them
also anyone knows if WoW has any gay (male x male) couple?
uncut vault
Not official canon, sadly.
hollow dock
Yes canon
sudden oak
cause I know we have a couple of female x female canon couples
sudden oak
I said male x male canon
uncut vault
vris they specifically said two men
meager warren
Tyrande and the Nightborne female player character is a canon ship?
hollow dock
why wouldn't MxM?
frosty matrix
The male gaze, mostly
hollow dock
Marketing I know
sudden oak
the enchanting quest also has a female x female canon couple
uncut vault
Oh Im sure they DO in canon, but we just have no examples of it in canon cause lesbians are the easy representation
hollow dock
Lesbians are better marketing
sudden oak
tbh I dont care anymore if wranduin doesnt become canon (just lying I do) I want a M x M canon couple in WoW
even league of legends has one
hollow dock
I dont care tbh. We know gays exist.
sudden oak
and they dont even have a canon lesbian one
sudden oak
in league?
hollow dock
8:35 PM] Inferos: the enchanting quest also has a female x female canon couple
You literally just typed it
hollow dock
Oh in league. You can argue that Vi is a huge lesbo
frosty matrix
League has a story? I thought that was just the game where people go to lose faith in humanity and will to live.
hollow dock
Like a raging lesbian
uncut vault
I mean, "we know they have to exist" isnt an excuse for no representation
sudden oak
yeah but its not confirmed
meager warren
i hope radfems and the like don't "claim" Warcraft if more LGBT people become npcs in WoW, like racists did over Black Panther
uncut vault
we know people of color exist, therefore we dont need them in any media
hollow dock
She has a debonair skin
uncut vault
They should still be represented.
sudden oak
and taric has a pink skin but that doesnt make him canon gay
frosty matrix
Why would racists like Black Panther? 🤔
hollow dock
Port I've been playing the RP game for the past 8 years
meager warren
racists who are black
hollow dock
fighting aginast everyone that gays exist in WoW
uncut vault
ho boy
hollow dock
We have the representations
uncut vault
lets not get into this
hollow dock
I'm good
uncut vault
this really is edgy trolling
meager warren
no shit
hollow dock
If you think Im trolling
frosty matrix
Not you
hollow dock
Oh sebs comment
hollow dock
I just noticed what you typed
uncut vault
No, the guy thats literally named EdgyTroll, lol
frosty matrix
^
hollow dock
Oh I just noticed arsons commenttoo
sudden oak
and yes league has history even if its sometimes a complete mess @frosty matrix
hollow dock
Its in absolute tatters and no matter what
meager warren
oh yeah, i named myself something that i don't fit into?
that'd be a great example of irony
hollow dock
it'll never make sense
uncut vault
didnt they just introduce some big database
hollow dock
because they haven't retconned the Institution of War
which is the whole reaosn the game exists
sudden oak
but they have a gay MxM couple and it was kinda good
meager warren
I SHIP GENN AND VARIAN
sudden oak
one of them is a pile of ash
meager warren
not relevant
uncut vault
I mean, they basically had a son together
sudden oak
the other is a furry
meager warren
also not relevant
uncut vault
implying varian isnt too
sudden oak
as far as we know he didnt grow fur
uncut vault
literally got a fursona
frosty matrix
Actually, Velen did more raising of Anduin than Genn did
What a weird love triangle
uncut vault
"I am varian, but I am also logosh"
tropic trail
I ship Genn and Velen
sudden oak
logosh is how his other half was called in the arena
uncut vault
nah man illidan and velen is the real ship.
hollow dock
Everyone in WoW is gay
sudden oak
he didnt remember his name
uncut vault
Im joking if it wasnt obvious inferos
frosty matrix
Controversial suggestion: Illidan and Malfurion
tropic trail
Velen and Genn could make some Draegen children
uncut vault
begone th0t
hollow dock
BEGON
sudden oak
sorry its quite late here and im starting to shut off :P
tropic trail
Nani?!
frosty matrix
KEK
hollow dock
T🅱OT
meager warren
I ship Sylvannas and Jaina
hollow dock
I ship everyone with everyone because everyone in WoW is gay
tropic trail
Nah, Anduin and Jaina
sudden oak
^
uncut vault
Really though I unironically ship Jaina and Vereesa. They're basically a couple in 5.1-5.2
uncut vault
consoling eachother in that tightly packed tent
uncut vault
jainas also single now. Perfect chance to get married, go on a honeymoon back to jainas home
hollow dock
Jainas always been single?
sudden oak
???
meager warren
Jaina, single as a pringle, FOREVER
sudden oak
jaina is not single
uncut vault
She and kalec were a thing from beginning of MoP to Legion
sudden oak
he is with kalec
frosty matrix
No for real though, Valtriois and Stellagosa. Did y'all do that Unbeleyvable quest?
Total ship material
hollow dock
She left kalec
uncut vault
theyre now separated
rich apex
Pffsh
sudden oak
when??
rich apex
Thalyrssa/Liadrin
hollow dock
Same time she left everyone else
sudden oak
oh
uncut vault
we learned it via the twitter gods
rich apex
'i hope we can learn more about each other under more pleasant circumstances, lady thalryssa' 😘
meager warren
i ship garrosh and Gul'dan
hollow dock
Maybe she'll dump her poor taste in men and go with the true crowd of women.
uncut vault
but stellagosa/valtrois actually is basically canon
hollow dock
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
rich apex
But yeah. Bailing on all your friends and allies in the face of a demonic apocalypse is probably a fair reason for a break up
uncut vault
the quest writer ships it and wrote it as a relationship
frosty matrix
Oh my god, for real? Port, you just made my day.
frosty matrix
SO GAY
hollow dock
you could cut through the sexual tension
frosty matrix
That bicker-flirting
hollow dock
Pretty sure our artifacts would have been maxed if we had absorbed it.
proud karma
i support this
hollow dock
its BASICALLY canon
hollow dock
as one of the quest designers has deemed it
They are just a quest designer and not an actual lore writer, but no one is contesting it
So until then
its canon.
meager warren
person 1: "For the Horde!"
person 2: "For the Alliance!"
random pandaren or goblin: "Get a room, you two!"
frosty matrix
sudden oak
also Liadrin/thalyssra would be awesome
hollow dock
Anduin: For the alliance!
me: no thanks.
Sylviebae: For the Horde!
me: No thank you.
Varian: FOR AZEROTH!
me: FUCK YEA
sudden oak
I still hold a grudge with the alliance for the garithos incident so im going with the horde and sylviebae :^)
hollow dock
LOL
sudden oak
LOL
proud karma
omg
meager warren
"hey, Magni. Here's my heart. Don't lose it, k?"
"Hmm, i wonder how i can use this to wreck the Horde"
hollow dock
Magnis not alliance tho
sudden oak
which grommash?
meager warren
he's the king of Ironforge
frosty matrix
Magni's not SHIT. He's a giant lump of diamond that sits around chatting with Azeroth all day
hollow dock
Does it matter?
sudden oak
the demon blood corrupted grommash
frosty matrix
His sensibilities are entirely neutral now
hollow dock
No he's not Arson
sudden oak
or the dreanor grommash
hollow dock
there is no single king of Ironforge
proud karma
Moira 2k18
meager warren
What's "The king of diamonds" then
frosty matrix
Former king
hollow dock
Ironforge is currently ruled by the Council of Three Hammers, Moira Thausarrian, Muradin Bronzebeard, and Falstad Wildhammer.
frosty matrix
He no longer rules the Dwarves, nor has any stake in the Alliance
rich apex
^
proud karma
#MoiraIsTheHeir
meager warren
i ship Magna and Azeroth
rich apex
Magni's trying to save the world
meager warren
Magneroth
hollow dock
MANNEROTH
frosty matrix
For real, when is Moira's baby going to get out of diapers?
sudden oak
also magni was an asshole before he became the voice of azeroth
proud karma
he's like 3
frosty matrix
He's been swaddled for like ten years
hollow dock
The same time that Night elven Children come into existence
hollow dock
my mood
meager warren
kek
hollow dock
right now Hyper
proud karma
"we cant fight if we're all dead!"
hollow dock
SYLVANAS WILL REMEMBER THAT
meager warren
also can't have peace if we're all ded
rich apex
'dead people can't be corrupted by the void!'
sudden oak
the forsaken will have peace
rich apex
BOLVAR WILL REMEMBER THAT
meager warren
no.
Sylvannas is just stupid as shit and so wants to kill everyone for whatever reason
frosty matrix
Actually, I think Azeroth would be pretty fuckin' quiet if we were all dead
rich apex
Gotta have PVP, so
sudden oak
also is fun how the alliance says they are taking what it belongs to them
meager warren
they're gonna go through even more nonsense come BfA
proud karma
i know. so so much
sudden oak
when the citizens of lordaeron are living in lordaeron
hollow dock
Technically speaking, Lorderon belongs to the alliance.
sudden oak
as forsaken
meager warren
and then probably more later on
hollow dock
TECHNICALLY SPEAKING
proud karma
nah it belongs to the people who lived there!!!!
the alliance forsook them!
they... are forsaken
meager warren
technically speaking, Lordaeron belongs to Azeroth
sudden oak
lul
hollow dock
As lorderon never officially separated from the Alliance.
proud karma
tell that to the humans attacking it
hollow dock
So TECHNICALLY SPEAKING those are alliance lands with a bunch of squatters.
proud karma
technically speaking my zombo was born there, died there, and is still there
meager warren
if they're alliance lands, the Alliance has done a shit job maintaining it
sudden oak
those lands belonged to the menethil family terenas and arthas are dead
hollow dock
Well
sudden oak
and calia wants nothing to do with it
hollow dock
theyre not the only Menethils
hollow dock
and again, the Crown of Lorderon never officially seperated from the Alliance.
They were wiped out
TECHNICALLY SPEAKING its alliance lands the horde has been occupying
sudden oak
if the crown of lordaeron doesnt exist then those lands dont belong to anyone
meager warren
TECHNICALLY SPEAKING it's not
hollow dock
That's actually false, if the crown no longer exists then it goes to whomever ruled over the crown
which is the Crown of Stormwind
proud karma
they were not wiped out
meager warren
It's Azeroth's land, not the Alliance's
proud karma
are u crazy, people can play as someone born and raised there
hollow dock
They were indeed. The bloodline has been ended and the kingdom wiped out.
proud karma
my zombo from his house in brill: "what"
hollow dock
The lands would then go to the head of their alliance, which is Stormwind. But the undead kept squatting onto it and the alliance was never in a position to take it back until now where we have to actually take it back.
meager warren
i need to play the DK starter thingy with an undead again
proud karma
they arent squatting!
meager warren
i forget what the undead in that cabin said
proud karma
those are their houses!
hollow dock
They are. Undead can't own land.
hollow dock
Once you die, you lose ownership of the land
meager warren
UNDEAD ARE HORDE!
HORDE TAKE WHAT THEY WANT
hollow dock
that's how the law works
meager warren
you want diplomacy?
THERE IS NO DIPLOMACY ON AZEROTH
proud karma
who made a "zombies have no rights" rule
hollow dock
Simple medieval law.
meager warren
medieval law?
that's funny lul
hollow dock
Once you've died, the crown gains ownership of your lands if there's no one to inherit the land.
proud karma
and bath tubs
no! they're walking around and sentient
i will no longer feed this troll
proud karma
player characters
rich apex
stormwind tries to claim foreign lands belong to them
sudden oak
forsaken are very much sentient
proud karma
they're players
rich apex
invaded rightful gnoll land and drove them off
hollow dock
Forsaken are losing their sentience guys
proud karma
they're player characters? human people?
hollow dock
Did you forget that little plot thread?
rich apex
To be fair, Blizz forgot it too
rich apex
Or I hope they did
hollow dock
that's why Sylvanas was going after the Eye of Eyir
proud karma
ok well are humans not doing tht
meager warren
Vris, nobody but Azeroth owns any land on Azeroth
proud karma
do humans live forever
rich apex
Because 'sylvanas is evil because she has dementia' is the dumbest plot ever
hollow dock
No they dont
proud karma
dementia, zombie dementia, they're all humans
sudden oak
lets not forget that everything once belonged to the zandalari empire
proud karma
yea so do humans
meager warren
since when did someone having dementia mean they're evil?
proud karma
they rot eventually too?
hollow dock
After theyve died
and lost their land yes
(I do like how you said you'd stop feeding me and kept going)
meager warren
the player forsaken is tougher and more resilient than normal undead
sudden oak
no one does
rich apex
Yep
dense plover
Nobbel has a very similar Ghuun theory to my own when it comes to data mining, figured you guys might be interested to hear it
tropic trail
I bet Ghuun is a void corrupted wildgod, name sounds (to me anyway) a lot more natural than other old gods / old god creations
sudden oak
if we are talking about names C'thun and G'huun are quite similar
hollow dock
Only issue Green is that G'huun was made by the titans :v its 100% artificial.
jovial coral
The titans are the mistake
hollow dock
Honestly the titans are to blame for everything
if it weren't for them, the old gods wouldn't even be here to try and corrupt one
vestal grove
thats what my mom said about me
hollow dock
Which is why I solely stand by the old gods side. Gibbe de tentacles.
tulip sun
Uh.....
So guys
There is a rangari draenei and thunderlord orc in zandalar @Sunmaul (Sunmaul Tribe) @Paxteal
http://bfa.wowhead.com/npc=123117/rangari-paalu
Wowhead
Rangari Paalu
The location of this NPC is unknown. This NPC is the objective of Predatory. In the NPCs category. Added in World of Warcraft: Battle for Azeroth.
This is the rangari, and she is supposedly dead in Zandalar
hollow dock
So then yea. Alternate draenor is going to get used again. Suck it Honk
tulip sun
I am excited
The rangari means the alternate draenei join the alliance? Obviously wouldn't be an NPC
But ya
Not NPC
Allied race**
Yrel?!
tulip sun
Fareeya? xD
proud karma
Heck it.
Just give the alliance even more draenei
hollow dock
Lightforged Yrel yea.
terse patrol
@hollow dock i said we’d be using alternate draenor tho
steel venture
... if we get ANOTHER fucking drae for alliance ima be so done
tulip sun
They won't be a race, lol
uncut vault
I mean, even though it wouldnt be an allied race cause theyre identical to normal draenei, Yrel and the Council of Exarchs joining the Alliance would be 👌
proud karma
Draenei
Draenei 2.0
They're normal colors but get the beard
ruby prawn
Maybe they will join the horde
steel venture
yrel going alli would be nice
blizzard halfassing a "rangari" allied race would not be nice 👎
like,,, they better not
floral nacelle
I really don't want more goddamned Draenei.
I want Worgen to be able to walk upright. That is what I would think is -soooooo- cool 😄
terse patrol
They won’t be an allied race
It’ll just be a reason to bring in some new characters
tulip sun
Exactly
terse patrol
Because I get the feeling we’re going to lose a few in BFA.
steel venture
Probably, although if you're basing it off of warfront leaks---It's likely not going to be through that.
Warfronts will have multiple "endings" depending on what faction you are and what lore NPCs you pick alongside you. They won't have actual canon resolutions based on that. If anything, Blizzard will just say. "The Alliance won that / The Horde won that and the important NPC wasnt ACTUALLY there nor died."
floral nacelle
Thank fuck.
mellow pasture
Any idéas on vrykuls? As a allied race?
tulip sun
We get to choose what lore charries aid us?
floral nacelle
I would love it.
mellow pasture
As a DK main i'm dissapointed, because so far there is no allied race that can be a DK. I don't want to be a dark dwarf btw
floral nacelle
Don't think the Dark Irons got involved in that stuff enough to really warrant that happening
seeing as the scourge primarily stayed north
steel venture
They're unlikely to give DKs to allied races outside of the really old ones that might show up.
floral nacelle
Like, DK's would only be logical.
steel venture
EX: if we get vrykul, they'll probably be able to be DKs.
due to the fact that northrend is their literal home and stormhiem was a secondary home to them
mellow pasture
Yes that's what i'm hoping for
steel venture
... I do see if we ever get naga they'll likely be the only new DHs.
The illidari training is reserved to elven races / elven descendants, and a naga seems most likely to survive the process compared to a fel orc or a broken.
steel venture
Eh, there's weirder things.
hollow dock
tbh, without Illidunk being racist and keeping it to only elves cuz that's what he trusts, illidari might teach more races than just elves. If blizzard isn't lazy
steel venture
if is the real question though
although they might just give void elves and nightborne it eventually
given that void elves have "not enough fury / pain" lines
hollow dock
all that needs to happen is rigging the animations onto the other raes really.
races*
mellow pasture
true
But regarding teachings, can't Death Knights teach the art of "death" to other races? Killing them and raise them from the dead? The death lord actually raised the four horsemen, no?
vale sedge
Don't nightborne have night elf skeletons and void elf have blood elf skeletons? There's no need to rig animations, they're already there.
median halo
void elf doesnt JUST have the blood elf skeletons, the exact same model
steel venture
Yeah. Nightborne and void elves likely will just need the lines.
And slightly recolored metas.
median halo
but giving the same animations on different skeletons looks super weird
hollow dock
For a deathknight to be made, a Lich or powerful necromancer needs to resurrect them and groom them proper.
median halo
á la MONKS
uncut vault
there was a void elf model that had some different looks, but they changed it to just be the exact belf texture, but blue colors
RIP muscle boi
steel venture
LET VOID ELVES BE BUFF
we do know that apparently the void likes fucking ridiculous musculature so w/e
looks at how void walkers and lesser void lords have freaking abs ffs
mellow pasture
And isn't the death lord powerful enough? Other than that, there's powerful liches aiding the ebon knights
hollow dock
The Deathlord is powerful enough only because the Lich King gave them the blessing to raise the Four Horseman.
median halo
isnt facial hair enough
steel venture
Also, Mer. It's less that the Deathlord can't do it--It's more that the Deathlord SHOULDN'T do it.
median halo
facial hair on elves > buff elves
hollow dock
For other DKs to actually 'match' in terms of story, Arthas would need to have risen them. Unfortunately, he's come down with a sudden case of death.
steel venture
As that'll tip off Bolvar too easily to the other factions and fracture the little trust that the Ebon Blade has left.
The Four Horsemen are the only "new" DKs at the moment.
mellow pasture
Well as far as lore goes, if Blizzard wants other races to be DKs they will find a way
median halo
who would willingly become a death knight
hollow dock
No one
steel venture
Willingly becoming a worgen I can understand.
median halo
death knights are only such because they had no choice in the matter
hollow dock
you literally sacrifice everything to become a dk.
steel venture
Willingly becoming a DK would require someone to be insane.
floral nacelle
ACTUALLY!
mellow pasture
Seems like illidan knows what that feels like
hollow dock
Your life, your place in the afterlife, acceptance of the living.
floral nacelle
Second Gen death knights were, in some cases, Lordaeronian traitors.
languid yoke
oh god would DK's fight DH in the battle of "I'VE GIVEN EVERYTHING"
floral nacelle
They took up a runeblade and slowly became dead.
hollow dock
Illidan and the Illidari know nothing of sacrifice
floral nacelle
They truly don't.
hollow dock
and yea Cynical, issue is.
median halo
the illidari are the gayest shit
languid yoke
but they claim to do
hollow dock
No more runeblades are being made to do that.
floral nacelle
Only about being mopey and shit
vale sedge
Sylvanas is very keen on ressurecting new undead atm. Maybe she'll forego her hatred for Lich King, since LK is no longer Arthas, and help LK raise new death knights. Not in BfA, obviously, but later maybe?
steel venture
DKs no longer are created by the rules that second gens are bound by.
hollow dock
^
steel venture
You must die to become a third generation.
mellow pasture
indeed
steel venture
You do not "slowly pass on into undeath" anymore.
floral nacelle
But it's not actively and knowingly done.
Do elaborate on how it changed since Arthas did it, then?
hollow dock
third gens were made by Arthas and now there is a fourth gen of lesser deathknights being made for the campaign against the Legion.
vale sedge
I'm sorry, but what stops Lich King or anyone else from creating Runeblades though?
steel venture
No, the Ebon Blade literally does not produce vampiric runeblades anymore.
Those were a SCOURGE creation.
floral nacelle
Vampiric has nothing to do with it.
vale sedge
Like, "does not produce" is one thing, but theoreticallY?
hollow dock
Yes it does.
mellow pasture
Ogres was actually considered for the horde during Cata
floral nacelle
From what I know, Frostmourne wasn't vampiric.
hollow dock
Vampiric runeblades are how the second generation was made. Frostmourne is the prime example.
mellow pasture
goblins came instead
median halo
Ogres have been considered many times
hollow dock
Yes.
steel venture
No, vampiric runeblades were what siphoned the life out of second gens to shift them into undeath.
...
And what??? Frostmourne is, yeah.
median halo
they were an april fools joke back in beta
floral nacelle
Consider me corrected, then.
median halo
They dont even need to give them a female option
or they can, and you pick it and they just look exactly the same
median halo
theres like 1 artwork of it
hollow dock
Vamp Runeblades were made by Scourge and Legion forces to make more powerful traitors, but its a very short lived DK generation.
steel venture
Doesn't really matter, still exists. It wasn't like they never did---And the sexual dimorphism is actually around the same as orc women compared to orc men.
mellow pasture
Ogres as an allied race?
median halo
its even worse than orcs
hollow dock
not what allied races are for Merv.
median halo
id rather they just add it as a male only race
i dont want no sexy ogres running around
steel venture
Male only race.
Blizzard would literally never.
median halo
MORE UGLY FEMALES TO THE PEOPLE!
steel venture
Just like they won't release a female only race either.
hollow dock
Lets not turn this game into Terra pls
steel venture
^^^^^^^^
mellow pasture
Shortly after the Third War, the Stonemaul clan joined the New Horde after the half-ogre Rexxar killed their chieftain.
median halo
hey if it was ogres i wouldnt complain
hollow dock
Weebs are illegal for this very reason.
vale sedge
Everyone knows ogres produce offspring by shedding on of their layers. There were no sexy female ogres, that's an april joke. 😃
mellow pasture
plausible reason
vale sedge
one*
hollow dock
There's so much more into making a race than just they exist tho
median halo
obviously
steel venture
It'll be unlikely an ogre will qualify as an allied race unless they modify orcs into them.
uncut vault
ogre women exist in canon
hollow dock
The horde banded together for survival
median halo
I wouldnt want them as an ally race
hollow dock
belves and nightborne went in
median halo
they need to be added in proper
uncut vault
theres art of em too
hollow dock
for survival
tulip sun
We went over this before lol
hollow dock
how doesn't that fit?
tulip sun
Lot of new dks were raised on legion
hollow dock
ye. the mystical fourth gen.
steel venture
Allied races are based on the models and animations of existing races.
I wouldn't be surprised if we eventually are given mok'nathal.
median halo
hollow dock
now that'd be an interesting one.
and that's great for a non-game to let you do that
median halo
when you select a caster class you get two heads
hollow dock
now imagine doing that in game
mellow pasture
ogre death knight?
median halo
pls blizzard
mellow pasture
wat
median halo
ALL my money
hollow dock
When you have to ya know
uncut vault
steel venture
Mhm!
Ogre-like features, but still orc skeleton + larger than default orcs. Mok'nathal would be very interesting to explore.
hollow dock
Like.
uncut vault
ogre girls are basically orc girls
hollow dock
I dont think you guys realize how much work it would be to get ogres working as a player race
steel venture
Especially with the history of the mok'nathal.
median halo
I don't think i'd like the ogres with an orc skeleton
why not, vris? they can wear equipment and they have animations for nearly everything
if you can play a boomkin which is the same skeleton and animations
vale sedge
^
steel venture
The vanilla ogre can wear armor.
The WoD one is wearing geosets.
This is the exact reason why the Nightborne player model does not match the Nightborne NPC model.
median halo
but they still have the same animations
uncut vault
I mean, they made a whole new model for nightborne, just to fit armor
vale sedge
Boomkin use ogre skeleton, that's why he used them as an example.
hollow dock
Its not just animations.
steel venture
Original nightborne were for lack of a better word, an illusion. lmao.
They were built in parts, and had parts you could swap out on the model control panel. They were entirely geosets, none of their actual armor was real.
median halo
I mean it's a lot of work sure, but that doesn't stop me from wanting them
or thinking that they are a natural fit for a playable race in wow
hollow dock
they really aren't. =/ If it hasn't happened in the 13 years this games existed, it's pretty clear it aint gonna happen.