What adding in momentum for hunters is a bad idea?!
#beta-ptr-spoilers
languid yoke
Cavalier gets moved into level 60 row
Divine Purpose/Hand of the Protector/Unbreakable Spirit to level 75
oh there's actual changes on Retri
uncut vault
I assume that Kalimdor 2 map is like the Warfront Barrens map, and just a PH cut out until they add assets
hollow dock
I hate that the talent calculators on the BFA class abilities dont link to the BFA talent trees
languid yoke
yeaaaaah not too many changes in this patch for classes, mostly just survival, retri and demonology from what it looks like
hollow dock
WoA still never going to see play
uncut vault
more Boralus assets got added, thats nice
uncut vault
yeah but compare the original underrot dungeon to the new one
one big temple vs four stacked on top of each other
languid yoke
I'm sad we're probably only getting one dungeon with 5 bosses and one with 3 bosses
languid yoke
the dungeon journals for most other dungeons are kinda existing
uncut vault
@hollow dock those islands at the top of stormsong that were added in the second build got removed
languid yoke
I think only one is very incomplete?
uncut vault
now theres more zandalari stuff up there
hollow dock
Now that's interesting. wonder what plans they cut for those islands
uncut vault
its just blizz tradition to cut out as many islands as possible
but it looks like they replaced a generic Horde ship with one of the massive zandalari warship, and put it in a bigger cove
hollow dock
Despite adding in a mode where you sit on a bunch of islands
languid yoke
you mean cut out large islands that could've made a shit expansion a bit less shitty?
uncut vault
they also seem to be finally working on the Shrine of the Storms island
hollow dock
WotLK wasn't shit
languid yoke
I'm more trying to get to Farahlon
hollow dock
WoD wasn't that shit. It was just empty.
languid yoke
WotLK wasn't shit
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oh interesting
languid yoke
an empty expansion is shit pls
hollow dock
Something can't be bad if it doesn't exist
languid yoke
LK had Ulduar so it's great by default
hollow dock
Maybe its more phasing
olive mirage
there actually seems to be a talent that competes with Crusade now for Ret pally
hollow dock
As you land with the other horde forces, you phase into that.
languid yoke
everything is phasing
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Looks like it, the actual area with the Horde buildings seems unchanged between builds
hollow dock
nothing will ever compete with it
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inb4 the Horde just blows up all the islands, then sails in and makes their base
olive mirage
Inquisition, consumes up to 3 holy power to grant 10% damage and haste, lasts 15 seconds per holy power spent
hollow dock
that used to exist
languid yoke
\o/
hollow dock
it was shite when it existed
olive mirage
and they nerfed crusade to max 10 stacks
also Wake of Ashes no longer competes with crusade
hollow dock
WoA never competed with Crusade
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ooh, some mountain textures are updated in kul tiras
hollow dock
outside of fringe areas of 5+ targets
olive mirage
i mean, its no longer on the same tier
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the areas where we'll actually be playing are more polished
hollow dock
thankgod for that
languid yoke
impatiently waits for male vulpera to be added to dressing room
olive mirage
and some divine storm talent that seems mediocre
50% chance to refund 1 holy power if you hit 3 or more targets
olive mirage
its not updated yet
uncut vault
found where those islands went
olive mirage
its just a bunch of text
languid yoke
yeah it's just text atm
olive mirage
i checked the talent tree hoping itd be updated
Nwolf, that was added 4 minutes ago 
olive mirage
for what?
hollow dock
CRUSADE
dense plover
jewelcrafting has staves now
olive mirage
why does leatherworking have fist weapons
hollow dock
Have you never boxed?
uncut vault
wow they are REALLY picky about these clouds in the lordaeron scenario
been changed every single build
olive mirage
i mean at least it makes more sense then FF14, and goldsmithing having monk weapons for some reason
i think like, 5 different professions make monk weapons at some point in that game
hollow dock
Fisting isnt exclusive to monks tho
olive mirage
in FF14 it is
hollow dock
oh
olive mirage
the jobs are basicly defined by the weapons in that game
hollow dock
That's dumb
olive mirage
you only equip one type of weapon
hollow dock
that's really dumb
languid yoke
FF14 crafting is dumb
olive mirage
its job fantasy
uncut vault
you know, Im really disappointed blizz didnt go the fun route with vol'dun
languid yoke
Heavensward crafting is very terrible
uncut vault
have us ally with the sethrak and fight the vulpera
olive mirage
final fantasy and their weapon types
uncut vault
we always ally with the cute race and kill the cool looking ones
hollow dock
No we wont
languid yoke
Sethrak don't look cool
hollow dock
Kal'dorei aren'tcute
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new allied race, k'a'l'd'o'r'e'i? 🤔
tulip sun
I thought it was mentioned some sethrak help us
languid yoke
some saberon and gnoll help us too
hollow dock
New allied race 'k'a'l'd'o'r'i'e'
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I sure hope so. Dont want them as an allied race ever, but Id love to see some friendly ones
hollow dock
GIVE ME SNEEPLES WE CAN SHIP WITH BLIZZARD
languid yoke
also I thought scribes did staves and jewelcrafters did unarmed weapons
blizz pls stop changing things
hollow dock
Yea. they swapped it around
uncut vault
those MoP scribe staffs are still some of the coolest in the game
languid yoke
somehow enchanters forgot how to make wands after 150 points in enchanting
languid yoke
engineering just makes guns
hollow dock
Nope they make bows and crossbows as well.
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languid yoke
not before bfa tho?
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totally an amazing staff
hollow dock
before BFA yes they did
languid yoke
no they didn't I'd know that
hollow dock
that's an altered pandaria staff
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The drust, but we dont know a lot about them yet, and they seem to be all dead
languid yoke
maybe parrots? Who knows, Kul'Tiras is just pirate land
olive mirage
engineering has maces in the new expansion
languid yoke
there's lots of Gnoll pirates maybe we get gnolls
tulip sun
We work with Tortollans during a part to find the turtle loa, Torga. Horde obviously befriend the Vulpera
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we also help bees
tulip sun
We fight the blood trolls, we fight the sethrak an supposedly befriend some
O.o
Horde gets all
languid yoke
are bees BiS?
strange falcon
@tulip sun if you didnt believe horde to be the true faction by now,you're a fool
hollow dock
the hordes the worse faction of the three options
languid yoke
ok shit you are right Engineering can make
strange falcon
three options 🤔
languid yoke
3 bows & crossbows
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Hammer of wrath is back!
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Thank god blizz
languid yoke
eh I wouldn't consider that as "profession that crafts bows"
hollow dock
Not playing is better than playing horde
languid yoke
you're a panda not leaving his island and leveling by completing pet battle quests on other chars
strange falcon
skyscraper high alliance bias shining through right there
languid yoke
also, moo.
strange falcon
lvling atm,trying to be productive
hollow dock
Im productive right now as I plan to get my computer fixed :v
languid yoke
how does that make you feel, panda?
languid yoke
does this not destroy your life's essence? As a panda, isn't noodle soup your holy grail?
hollow dock
PORTABLE STABLE MASTERS
uncut vault
Dunno if that would be Horde or Alliance
hollow dock
HUNTERS PRAISE THE ENGINEERING SKILL NOW
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probably Horde because Nathanos but who knows
hollow dock
and not really. Ale and other drink are our holy grail.
olive mirage
im glad i got my cooking hat during timewalking last week
finally found a use for all those time walking badges
languid yoke
uuuhm interesting
according to mmochampion the reagents required for that "jewelcrafting staff"... is Light Parchment x 50, Sallow Pigment x 5, Roseate Pigment x 25.
sure the pigment is wrong but
it's pigment anyway
olive mirage
sounds like placeholder
languid yoke
yeah but placeholder would normally be correct profession
hollow dock
that sounds like it was originally going to be in the Glyph making one
languid yoke
aka 5x their random ore
languid yoke
on 2nd thought the rings listed have pigment as reagent as well so I guess blizz is baka
languid yoke
Step 18: Rescue the Little Gnome! (New) - Rescue the Gnome Mage
GNOMES EXIST IN THE LORDAERON SCENARIO
GNOMES
EXIST
languid yoke
were missing in cinematic
languid yoke
true, it's just too hard to see them
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Oh boy, so happy to have the only gnome besides mekkatorque be probably comic relief once again
hollow dock
theyre just gonna stab your shins
jovial coral
The camera just needed to pane down
languid yoke
don't make fun of gnomes, in a level 1 hunter vs. hunter unarmed combat scenario gnomes beat orcs
uncut vault
Im one of the biggest gnome fans out there. Just tired of every gnome besides mekkatorque just being for comedy
languid yoke
shin poking is a serious threat
hey not every gnome is for comedy, there's also
....
languid yoke
and she's comic relief
hollow dock
and she's comedic
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even the other most important gnome in their entire story is played off as comedic
hollow dock
yea Lemmy is pretty comedic
hollow dock
THATS A GOBLIN
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a goblin?
hollow dock
Yesh
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Also, possible tie between dark irons and BfA might have been put in
"Zuldazar > Thaelin's Hideout (New)"
languid yoke
or ist a gnome that.... fel into green paint?
languid yoke
get it? GET IT? GET IT??
hollow dock
shudder
languid yoke
turns into a female worgen
zinc sandal
@hollow dock Which weeb am I destroying?
languid yoke
but dey are edgy
hollow dock
Nwolf
languid yoke
oh god thanks for the nightmares WHY ARE THE BOOTS SO HUGE
THEY ARE BIGGER THAN HIS FUCKING HEAD
zinc sandal
aims at Nwolf
hollow dock
HE ALWAYS SMILES
languid yoke
but I'm already busy destroying weebs
I guess destroying weebs badly influences you with weebism 🤔
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languid yoke
eh I think new goblins just look dumb
OH GOD KILL HER
DESTROY HER
RIGHTCLICK HER
hollow dock
Oh you want some REAL nightmare fuel Nwolf
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G͉̙̗E̬͉͝T̶̫̬ ͉͖ͅIT̴͓̯?̹̮̜!̶̞͕
languid yoke
continously rightclicks the gif
hollow dock
Feast.
Your.
Eyes.
languid yoke
hur gif sounbds like yiff which... nevermind
that picture is very disturbing
in more than just one way
hollow dock
the more you look at it the more disturbing it gets
languid yoke
I've seen horrible weeb backgrounds that weren't as bad as this
uncut vault
honestly the face disturbs me more than anything else
hollow dock
Its just photoshopped on
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most of the stuff you can just put off as shitty anatomy but that face
is literally just a face
hollow dock
And this was something blizzard paid for
languid yoke
what a farce!
hollow dock
for their TCG
languid yoke
what really
hollow dock
yea
languid yoke
but TCG is early day blizz so it can be forgiven
jovial coral
https://youtu.be/8ruAIYMAEYM I think inspiration for goblins partially came from this
languid yoke
also explains why her ass is brobdinagian
rich apex
There's TCG art of a half naked elf lady dancing in the Goldshire tavern
languid yoke
aaah still no dressing room update I should just go to bed and be hyped about all the new information being revealed over night but I can't sleep
rich apex
But I can't find it from five seconds of googling
rich apex
What's Wake replaced with?
hollow dock
Inquisition is back
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hollow dock
Exact same talent as it was in Cata
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thats the real choice
hollow dock
With the Crusader nerf it just MIGHT compete
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DEUS VULT or the spanish inquisition
hollow dock
Well its not just 10 seconds
languid yoke
and then there's Divine Purpose being like "YO I'M HERE"
rich apex
Inquisition back? Oh lawlz
languid yoke
yeah hi I fell in that one until I realized DEUS VULT
oh ew Cavalier is now on the same row as Eye for an Eye?
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you either get to see where youre going or take out an enemy's
the eye you lose isnt yours, its your horses
languid yoke
proud and noble race indeed
rich apex
Blizz paid money for that
hollow dock
that gnomes got one. You can see the little bump.
merry briar
that photo is going to be my nightmares
hollow dock
her boobs defy gravity
rich apex
The boobs
hollow dock
look at her waste
merry briar
its not human
rich apex
the knees
hollow dock
LOOK AT HER KNEES
merry briar
but its still not worse than gnome rapist
hollow dock
HER BUTT
merry briar
lol her calves
hollow dock
her face is photoshopped on
merry briar
hahah
hollow dock
I'm in tears
I'm looking at the whole set this card came in
and every other female done by this same artist is perfectly fine and normal looking
I think he just hates Vanessa
languid yoke
well who doesn't
at least there's also good stuff like https://img00.deviantart.net/7867/i/2013/016/7/3/alpha_prime_by_alexhorley-d5rnkwl.jpg
hollow dock
Yes
tropic trail
wtf
hollow dock
but you said theres only 2 dungeons
languid yoke
well that was before I saw this post
Atal'Dazar and Freehold were first two
now they opened Tol Dagor for testing
also opened two zones apparently
Tiragarde Sound and Zuldazar
strange falcon
we can enter the new factions hubs i hope
tropic trail
do BfA zones have 110-120 scaling?
hollow dock
We dont know
tropic trail
I assume scaling will be standard from here on out
hollow dock
We can assume from how everything else scales that yes, this will scale too
tropic trail
just hadn't seen any info on it, or seen anyone ask yet
uncut vault
we'll know as soon as they unlock a second zone for leveling
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On the Alpha? Which?
languid yoke
http://www.wowhead.com/bluetracker?topic=20761966839
http://www.wowhead.com/bluetracker?topic=20762036801
uncut vault
Well that'll be interesting
languid yoke
"Mag'har Orc Player VO placeholder files have been added."
tropic trail
where?
languid yoke
Vris is tinfoiling
tropic trail
is it safe to assume that kultirans or vulpera will be the alliance equivalent to draenorcs?
languid yoke
in other news mag'har for alliance confirmed
hollow dock
its 100% awchshually cum form ed
tropic trail
since no other race is even rumored at this point
hollow dock
Vulpera had their faction ID recently removed actually
languid yoke
which add this point leave dark iron dwarves to be the only one with a faction ID that was added with bfa alpha
lol
MY HOPE WILL NEVER DIE
insert wubs here
hollow dock
So in an expansion with this box art https://www.instant-gaming.com/images/products/2370/271x377/2370.jpg
will have ORCS and HUMANS being added in
languid yoke
woah insane
languid yoke
BUT I WANT TO PLACE AS AN RP LETTER
hollow dock
and completely unbelievable but mark my words people
languid yoke
WHY CAN'T I BE A WALKING R
uncut vault
Theres no evidence to kul tirans, code wise, but Im still betting that kul tirans will be the fourth allied race
uncut vault
there was also that westfall map
hollow dock
Theres no friendly Vrykul left
languid yoke
the ones in Stormheim?
hollow dock
The valajar that are allied with their god?
tropic trail
vrykul would better serve as a full fledged race
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tropic trail
rep and all
languid yoke
or the ones in suramar
you ally them kinda after a few quests
yeah but kul'tirans are more likely
hollow dock
After that's done she admits to you that your people and hers will never be allies when you leave
There's no other Vrykul that are left purely neutral to recruit in :v
languid yoke
what do I know I didn't care about their quests
hollow dock
Shame the main reason people said they're being added as allied races has been removed
languid yoke
Vulpera <3
tropic trail
I want vulpera, but I don't think they're going to be the alliance counterpart to orcs
languid yoke
yeah vulpera would be later
tropic trail
they could just be trying to hide it
it's just alpha
Dorcs lol
good shorthand for draenor orcs
hollow dock
If they were 'hiding it' we wouldnt even be able to see it
true matrix
DORCS
hollow dock
Yes Mane
true matrix
that's better than bloofs
hollow dock
they work on future content months, even years, before it comes out
hollow dock
Yes to this extent
I've been following this games development for the past ten years, they do this stuff all the time. :v
dense plover
oh shit
languid yoke
it's like adding a raid into the game that only gets playable after a year
oh hi Nighthold
tulip sun
My dream is two races at start of bfa then two after you complete the story...more in later patches lol
uncut vault
Im still betting Draenor orcs and dark iron dwarves will be tied to the war effort
dense plover
zuldazar and tiragarde sound are open in the alpha!!!!
uncut vault
which wont be intended to get exalted with till 8.1
dense plover
also tol dagor (dungeon)
languid yoke
I said that already :w:
languid yoke
portergauge you realize DID are the counterpart to Zandalari, not Draenor Orcs
tropic trail
you're forgetting the trolls
uncut vault
As of now, yes. But race wise and lroe wise, it makes no sense
tulip sun
Orcs and Dark iron at launch, kul tirans and zandalari after you complete the main storyline on each continent. That is my hope xD. I doubt it, but I can hope...
languid yoke
Mane: no
dense plover
also
languid yoke
the reason is that Vol'dun is the 3rd zone story- and level-wise
hollow dock
Kham they've already said
dense plover
sounds like new music
hollow dock
DID and Zandalari are at the end of the leveling
uncut vault
so if theyre adding kul tirans and draenor orcs, it makes more sense for KT and zandalari to be from the questing, and Draenor orcs and dark irons to be from war effort
hollow dock
Sorry to have your hopes and dreamscrushed already?
tulip sun
Vris, I know what they said. I am not blind
languid yoke
Vol'dun and the Kul'Tiras counterpart are just not out yet cause too far away in story to be released in alpha yet
tulip sun
I said I am just hoping. This is alpha after all
languid yoke
No?
hollow dock
We dont know
uncut vault
new holy anims are in
languid yoke
So far it seems like bfa has a story progression across zones
hollow dock
yea they are. they read from a book like real crusaders
languid yoke
or so I've understood
also pls make vulpera walk around without boots like all other paw/hoof/troll foot race
thank
hollow dock
hollow dock
LOL
languid yoke
mane: sounds normal
just like on worgen
oh well
that's odd
ffs now I have an earworm of Holdin' On
just because I said my hope will never die on vulpera-topic
,-,
male aren't out anyway and they are better
B)
shy elbow
vulperas are scary asf
languid yoke
the new vulpera models have eyeballs
female ones got updated 2 weeks ago, male ones got updated in the new alpha build
gonna be in dressing room soon(tm)
hollow dock
shitty animations are shitty
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olive mirage
i dont get why your so against everything related to races you dont like
instead of hating on everything
why dont you just ignore it
wild pewter
Who?
true matrix
@lament cape oh my god the curled-up sleeping one is as cute as the sneeple's
hollow dock
I hate it because I hate it. @olive mirage People wanna shove it in my face, Ima give my opinion
elder otter
We're live playing Alpha right now. Come watch!
uncut vault
is the alpha bugged? I dont see any NPC's talking
dense plover
seems like some audio systems broke
and if you are watching the stream, thought bubbles are disabled
uncut vault
Oh, why tho? That plus no chat showing means we cant really follow along
dense plover
being fixed
meager warren
can anyone direct me to a meme i posted a while back, with Khadgar's face as the background and the text "Why can't we all just get along" or something like that
wild pewter
meager warren
cute
wild pewter
"Hey... aren't you the one who left that abandoned garrison littering up Frostfire?" Draenor confirmed?
dense plover
damn
Azeroth goes through warchiefs like Draenor goes through alternate timelines.
hot fire
hollow dock
Arson
Ive gone through every single link you've ever posted
theres no Khadgar meme
dense plover
Enough of this wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... BLAH! Just let me smash stuff!
so good
confirmed
you can ride the big dinos like a bus
or a taxi i guess
wild pewter
Makes me wonder what the next Alliance race is
uncut vault
Remember when people said “they can’t be AU orcs cause they’re called maghar” 🤔🤔
hollow dock
really?
subtle flower
I don't suppose the new alpha includes my long-awaited alliance warfront plate, does it? :<
dense plover
Check out this clip! Wowhead streaming World of Warcraft https://clips.twitch.tv/BumblingArborealToadOhMyDog
dense plover
you ride them
hollow dock
its never coming
dense plover
its so great
subtle flower
I know you're joking but that still hurts.
uncut vault
People just kept arguing that AU orcs aren’t technically considered maghar because it’s mainly the name of a faction
hollow dock
So theyre the taxi for us who like the slow travel
lunar abyss
It's official if Vulpera Become a playable race I have to make a rouge named Nick Wilde
uncut vault
Despite most players knowing brown orcs as maghar orcs
lunar abyss
I thought it meant uncorrupted
uncut vault
It does
meager warren
well, either way.
same thing
dense plover
man
i need to watch jurassic park
to i can be ready for zuldazar
im waiting for several Jurassic park references
uncut vault
So Grommash is still warchief, interesting
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I just expected them to elect a non-genocidal leader, like durotan
dense plover
orcs dont elect tho
uncut vault
Guess “DRAENOR IS FREEEE” really worked politically
lunar abyss
Brown Grommash for Warchief
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AZEROTH IS FREEEEEEE
lunar abyss
Isn't Grommash also super racist or was that just garrosh?
meager warren
actually, it was both
uncut vault
Well, they showed it really horribly, but grommash was deceived by Garrosh
dense plover
^
uncut vault
With the visions from the sands of time
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He got piss
meager warren
i lost my Khadgar meme :sad:
hollow dock
They didn't show at all that he was deceieved. He looked sad that Garrosh was ded.
dense plover
yes they did
the manacles in the town in nagrrand
and then he was exiled by them
which is why when we come after him, grommash isnt there
hollow dock
So Grom was exiled from the Warsong clan what
dense plover
i mightve misunderstood it, its entirely possible
but i thought garrosh was exiled
took some of the orcs that agreed with him
hollow dock
If Garrosh was exiled how was he the Warlord of the Warsong?
hollow dock
To my knowledge, Garrosh took up head as Warsongs leader, let Grommash take head as Warchief of the Iron Horde and Grom was not aware of his son not being entirely truthful.
jade basalt
Correct. Or rather Grom became Warchief of the IH so he made Garrosh chieftain of the Warsong probably.
But yea no one was exiled.
meager warren
http://prntscr.com/iijz25
i re-made my khadgar meme
jovial coral
Nice
meager warren
ur nice
rich apex
Poor Khadgar
hollow dock
because the horde is nothing but warmongers
meager warren
that's not a good answer tho
hollow dock
better answer
meager warren
pvp can be changed to "PvP is now free for all"
meager warren
still not a good answer
hollow dock
PVP can be changed to 'WARGAMES, SKIRMISHES, PRACTICE MATCHES'
meager warren
Blizz seems to be doing their darndest to keep a contrived scheme going.
One that should have ended before TBC
rich apex
Gotta have a faction war even tho neither side can win or lose
To be fair, it wasn't plot relevant until Cata
And it ended in MoP
hollow dock
'ended'
rich apex
Well, considering Ashran had no actual effect on the plot
hollow dock
the horde and alliance right back at it in Ashran
jovial coral
Would be interesting if they had a way to be a pirate and if your hated in a certain rep then you can fight either faction
rich apex
But it doesn't stop them from getting the important shit done in Tanaan
in before Grom dies in the recruitment intro
terse patrol
lmao
meager warren
meager warren
?
rich apex
ha
meager warren
how is that bad?
meager warren
yea, because Blizz is afraid of innovation
hollow dock
I wouldn't really say theyre afraid of innovation
meager warren
at this point, they are
rich apex
To be fair, most innovation inevitably leads to the player base whining
jade basalt
The thing is that what you call "the contrived and tired HvA scheme", Blizzard sees as the central, iconic feature of Warcraft. They'll never get rid of it because it is literally what defines Warcraft to them. And there's some truth to it. From WC1 to BFA, for 25 years, in every book, in every game, HvA as always existed.
It's why they're doubling down with BFA instead of moving away from it.
meager warren
HvA doesn't define Warcraft.
there's still plenty of war in Warcraft without that petty "faction pride" and racism
rich apex
But yes, they are afraid to actually resolve a central feature like that
Given WoW literally invented the MMO faction system
jade basalt
Warcraft has always been more than the Legion. @rich apex However it has always been about the Horde vs the Alliance. Literally always. I dare any one of you to find one example of one game without HvA story.
rich apex
Well, the Legion was behind 80% of the overarching plot
Until Void Lords and Old Gods were invented
jade basalt
Warcraft existed before there was a Legion.
rich apex
True
meager warren
There's hundreds of "big villains" in WoW aside from HvA.
I disagree that Warcraft refers to HvA tho
rich apex
But WC1 wasn't exactly an in depth story
So they retconned in the Legion manipulating the Horde
meager warren
"Warcraft" refers to "war," not "war between this faction and this other faction"
jade basalt
I don't really care that you disagree EdgyTroll, I said it's what Blizzard thinks. It's what the devs stated, and believe.
jade basalt
And they are right. Warcraft since its inception to this day has always been about the Horde vs the Alliance. (Don't misunderstand that as "only been".)
hollow dock
because khadgar is apart of a neutral faction that doesn't betray either side?
meager warren
or "War that makes little to no sensecraft"
hollow dock
Like I'll say this Quiet
everyone here understands that blizzard wants to keep it going believing they can't stop it
but
you can't deny how forced andcontrived it is.
meager warren
^
jade basalt
Something to remember is that it's a game, made by game designers. Not an in-depth fantasy universe written by actual writers. It'll always be "nonsensecraft" to some extent. @meager warren
rich apex
That is the thing, yes
jade basalt
@hollow dock Literally no one denies that it is contrived here.
meager warren
be a fan of blizz all you want, Quiet.
but it is contrived in every way
rich apex
I mean they -can-. They can do whatever they want.
true matrix
they do hire writers
jade basalt
I did not say it wasn't contrived. Never said that.
rich apex
They can make an entire expansion where we go into an alternate universe pocket dimension, after all
hollow dock
We've only said its a forced and contrived war that they keep pushing
I'm not sure what you're trying to say then if you're not disagreeing with us
jade basalt
@true matrix Writers write what they are told to write. This is decided by game designers. Even the quests are written by game designers, not by writters, not even by Historians.
meager warren
I think, any writer that follows their boss's every whim will gain more infamy than fame
jade basalt
@hollow dock Just scroll a bit and read the conversation. I never said it wasn't contrived, that's you putting words in my mouth. But someone suggested they should get rid of HvA and I explained why it's never going to happen.
hollow dock
No one said to remove it.
true matrix
that sounds quite frankly like a stupid decision
jade basalt
@hollow dock I said scroll up a bit. You'll find a picture of a text document about introducing Neutral factions and moving away from the HvA thematic.
hollow dock
Yes but it doesn't say to remove HvA. It's simply putting up points for why putting up a neutral factions would benefit everyone
jade basalt
@true matrix It very well might be.
jovial coral
Oh gee
meager warren
I hope you know what i actually meant by that, Quiet
meager warren
that wasn't "oh, i want them to remove the Horde/ Alliance and whatever conflicts they may have in the future"
it was, "i want them to remove the contrived and irrational reasoning they have for continuing to hurt each other"
jovial coral
The enemy of my enemy is my friend thing could fuel tensions with new factions
hollow dock
Like if theres actual dispute over say, land reclaimation or an invasion or something like that. But the factions fight for the same reason highschoolers do: Lack of communication.
meager warren
right?
but most of the Horde/ Alliance leaders aren't high-school aged anymore (Except maybe Anduin)
hollow dock
Anduins the only highschool aged one.
meager warren
ye
true matrix
and yet genn's the immature one
hollow dock
right?
meager warren
I think if we get rid of Sylvannas, neutral factions could be possible.
If blizz is reasonable about it
hollow dock
Like, I don' tmind the faction conflict. Far from it, I think the game does need it because of how much is designed around it. But just use reasonable answers to go to war.
hollow dock
hell in Star Wars the war has ended twice and has been started up both times because of legitimate reasons :v
Even when one side tried to assassinate the others leader, war didn't break out.
meager warren
ye
but, in WoW, they can fight together like soldiers in arms but still hate each other after that's done.
hollow dock
'heya saurfang, thanks for helping me out on Argus. Kill ya next week ya green swine'
jovial coral
Nuetral faction s would need cities
meager warren
or they could ally themselves with already existing factions like the Shado-Pan (Who actually hate war and would likely be the first to join the neutral factions)
jovial coral
Would be interesting to see how guilds work
hollow dock
they'd work the exact same way as now. Guilds could hire neutrals in temporarily or perminately
meager warren
maybe if we get enough support on neutral factions, bliz will cave in
meager warren
Not enough?
If everyone wants the same thing, that's definitely enough
hollow dock
Cost to do it does not equal or outweigh the time needed.
jovial coral
My hopes are still up
meager warren
gotta spend money to make money
hollow dock
And I can garuntee you, they do not predict a remaking of the game from the ground up to be worth it inthe long run.
jovial coral
Don't forget they did launch the game with 8 races
They have more money than they did then
hollow dock
Yea and have you seen the groundwork that is WoW?
It's a horrible mess that no one wants to deal with
meager warren
World scaling?
Increasing default 16 slot bags?
WQs?
People have said consistently that Bliz "isn't going to do" something and they did it in spite
hollow dock
They added in 4 slots, world scaling isn't as full scaling as people wanted, world quests are just natural progression of the already built in scenario system
A lot different than remaking the game from the ground up
rich apex
Admittedly, I -did- say Blizz would never take us back to AU Draenor
But
w a r c h i e f h e l l s c r e a m
meager warren
it'll piss u off too.
you'll have to stare at him as much as we'll have to
LOK'TAR OGAR
meager warren
and don't u just hate it when u look at Saurfang?
😋
meager warren
that's kinda ironic
hollow dock
One should respect ones enemies when going to war.
rich apex
Saurfang: i must protect the integrity of the horde
rich apex
also Saurfang: hey grom, do you wanna murder all our enemies for us?
hollow dock
do you respect the ants invading your home when you're slaughtering them?
jade basalt
But they sure can lift bro brul
meager warren
^
hollow dock
If you didn't understand the metaphor, I see the rest of the horde as nothing more than ants. A few I don't and those are the few I respect.
meager warren
ye but still
"Know your enemy and know yourself and you need not fear the results of a hundred battles"
you don't know your enemy or yourself enough.
It's your thinking they are ants that will land you in the losing grounds
hollow dock
really? getting philosophical over a game you've proclaimed you shouldn't be taking seriously.
jade basalt
About zandalari prelates https://i.imgur.com/lt3DdSp.jpg
meager warren
the game has a few similarities to real life, though only few
hollow dock
topkek
jovial coral
I thought that said zandalari palidains
jade basalt
There's a tirasian human druid http://bfa.wowhead.com/npc=135980/apprentice-knollden
meager warren
i think it did
jovial coral
Loa equivalent to palidains?
hollow dock
those are Prelates. the equivalent to our paladins yes.
merry briar
loa allied race druid
hollow dock
In which they aren't recruiting
meager warren
"New class, guys. Prelates! Though only Trolls get to play them 'cause lore"
carmine junco
it's the same way Tauren paladins are Sunwalkers.
subtle flower
Technically Draenei ones are Vindicators IIRC.
meager warren
Draenei ones are Lightforged
subtle flower
Lightforged isn't a class.
merry briar
we can dream
meager warren
no but it's the pally equivalent basically
carmine junco
Yeah, Draenei paladins are Vindicators (which I'd kill for a title for)
meager warren
and Vindicator isn't a class either
subtle flower
It's roughly the lore name for a Paladin in Draenei culture.
wild pewter
Vindicator would be an awesome title
subtle flower
Don't Blood Elf Paladins also have a special name?
meager warren
"Lord of the Shattered Abyss" would be a cool title
wild pewter
Kul Tiran druids could also be cool, given how they're descended from Gilneans
meager warren
Blood Elf Paladins are Sunreavers, I think
jovial coral
Kul tirans are all about the sea though right?
wild pewter
I believe so, moreso in different areas. Like Stormsong having Sea priests and all that
I think Drustvar is full of druidism though
jovial coral
Hmmm
tulip sun
-loves the maghar text-
subtle flower
Stormwind is so easy to get to from places, it's frustrating how much harder it is to do the reverse.
meager warren
"is your mother a fire elemental? Because you are smokin' hot"
"Come on a date with me, and I guarantee you'll be wearing a Black Tooth Grin."
they must not be very good cooks. no wonder they're so cranky
meager warren
don't wanna get on Grom's bad side
merry briar
@meager warren "I never met Gul'dan, but I hear he was a nightmare at parties. Always trying to spike the punch bowl..."
meager warren
tru
merry briar
love that one
meager warren
"You don't need a Dark Portal...you've already invaded my heart."
hot
merry briar
"Hey... aren't you the one who left that abandoned garrison littering up Frostfire?"
rip
merry briar
"Drahnor. Draynor? Draanur. Draenor. <Sigh>. I'm just gonna say I'm from Outland."
meager warren
"A green orc gave me a candy heart that said "I fel for you." I told him he could keep his demon's blood and clobbered him with my mace."
wild pewter
I know right?
merry briar
the warfront stuff?
meager warren
"Just because I'm enjoying your company doesn't mean I don't also want to punch you."
same
tulip sun
Ya
merry briar
yes i love it
meager warren
"Before we go any further, I need to know... How high is your pain threshold?"
kinky
tulip sun
I wonder if lore characters are the commanders of the fight?
merry briar
that would be cool
tulip sun
If so....who will be the canon ones o.o
tulip sun
I don't want any to die xD
tulip sun
All the horde characters are amazing
meager warren
"What? The gnomes invaded Frostfire? Gear up, bois. We're gonna get it back."
tulip sun
Interesting how dark irons and lightforged are mentioned
merry briar
yeah lol
meager warren
everything in wow is amazing except the Horde vs Alliance contrived bullshit
wild pewter
Honestly I've never really played Horde as it just feels... wrong. Long time Alliance player here
I'd like to get into a horde toon
tulip sun
I like how they have danath involved tho
wild pewter
^
meager warren
the only Horde leaders i don't like are Saurfang, Sylvannas, and Garrosh.
Also, Thrall because fuck Green Jesus
wild pewter
I just can't get into Horde despite how much I'd like to
tulip sun
What don't you like?
wild pewter
I don't know how to put it into words... just feels 'off' as Alliance is all I've ever known.
tulip sun
I just kinda like how their story in compared to the anduin led alliance
meager warren
that's why you gotta give Horde a chance
subtle flower
Since Draenor orcs are confirmed, I wonder what the alliance equivalent will be.
wild pewter
I have, repeatedly. Levelled several Horde toons and ended up getting rid of them
meager warren
wot?
traitor!
wild pewter
I know 😄
tulip sun
Try one of the more civilized races. Nightborne, forsaken or sindorei
I personally love tauren
wild pewter
I'd like to try Nightborne, pain is that I need to unlock it haha
and by unlock I mean do the actual quests on an already 110 hordie
tulip sun
You don't have the requorements some on a alliance toon?
wild pewter
I have all of the requirements
tulip sun
Done*
subtle flower
I'm guessing the 'skinny humans' everyone is obsessed with, since people like them, and for reasons I've yet to totally understand, humans are the alliance equivalent of orcs.
wild pewter
But to unlock allied races you need to do the quests on a max level toon
meager warren
Hey, Tauren are plenty civilized, you cretin!
wild pewter
and I expect so Pris!
tulip sun
I love tauren
merry briar
i have everything except void elf ughhh
im literall 20k out of 21k on argussian
and ive done everything
wait
i havent done seat of the tirumvirate
meager warren
do a few more purple WQs and you should have 21k in no time, @merry briar
subtle flower
Are the Kul'Tiran's the skinny humans or the fat ones? They've introduced both with BfA and I can't seem to remember which is which.
tulip sun
Fat
merry briar
@meager warren yeah ive done all wqs
subtle flower
Which are the skinny ones then?
tulip sun
Unknown atm
meager warren
new WQs open every day. You couldn't possibly have
tulip sun
Just called thin humans
subtle flower
Ah lol, so that's why everyone calls them that.
meager warren
i hate how everyone thinks the Mag'har can't be from AU Draenor even though Draenor is just Outland (with a few small differences) but 'a few' years before it became Outland
subtle flower
It's my understanding that they are the same place in different timelines.
tulip sun
Well, it is confirmed their au
meager warren
ye.
but some people apparently can't handle them being called Mag'har but being AU
tulip sun
Mag'har simply means uncorrupted
merry briar
@meager warren its halfway through the day. ive been awake since 6am so ive been playing for almost 6 hours already, thats enough to do the wq's
not all wq's give argussian reach rep,
i dont have to do all broken isles ones
just all argus ones
meager warren
i get that it means uncorrupte
should unlock Mac'aree as well.
All WQs there give Argussian Reach rep
merry briar
i guess you could call them uncorrupted, i prefer the term organic orc thoh
@meager warren im not a noob ive unlocked everything dude lol i know how to play the game
meager warren
lol
and, ok.
well, you could take a break for a few hours if you only care about getting Argussian Reach rep for now.
true matrix
ORC-ganic? 
meager warren
^
merry briar
@meager warren yeah im gonna do the unlock scenario for highmountain tauren
tulip sun
But oh man
I just love the fighting between lore characters xD
Turalyon, Trollbane and Muradin for the Alliance, and Liadrin, Eitrigg, and Rokhan for the Horde.
Interesting choices
Wonder if more will be added
meager warren
for the last time, MAG'HAR means UNCORRUPTED
merry briar
organic*
ionic bison
i could see interewsting stories for both sides
rich apex
'this is the chance to change things, as if the map work, modeling, voice lines, and quest design isn't done already'
meager warren
lul
lunar abyss
Ahhhhhh! The chiropractor in Orgrimmar has done wonders for my back.
God damnit blizzard
Hey... aren't you the one who left that abandoned garrison littering up Frostfire?
jovial coral
Dreanor orcs, nobody will make the connection after a few years/xpacs
meager warren
let's shorten them to "Dorcs"
Make it happen
meager warren
change that k to a c and the kid to a Troll or something and it'll be perfect
steel venture
rokhan?
true matrix
zappy boi maybe
meager warren
oooh.
Yes, make it Zappyboi
split spruce
ruby prawn
So Vulperas are gonna join the Alliance?
languid yoke
and I, a tauren, don't want Sylvanas. Sylvanas end boss of this xpac pls thanks
merry briar
sylvanas xpac?
oh
thought you said and
not end
yeah i hate sylvanas too
dont trust her
languid yoke
who would really trust her other than Forsaken lol
subtle flower
I'm guessing the Tauren won't like the whole Telrassil thing.
languid yoke
Baine's helping in Undercity tho
dense plover
Tauren are rational. If they see logic in sylvanas’ decision, they will follow
sharp granite
I trust sylvannas.
sullen dagger
strange falcon
alliance orcs is like saying orgrimmar for the alliance
never ever ever going to happen ever
languid yoke
male mag'har orcs with tattoos nom
tropic trail
the jaws on the female brown orcs look goofy in the wowhead preview pictures
they look like they have stubble
mint arch
@hollow dock "Any idea if Saurfang is single? He's got that silver fox thing going on..."
haha
i did forget, saurfang does make it to the silver fox list
Turalyon number 1 still~
ruby prawn
@merry briar the Forsaken have free will. Sylvanas granted them a choice to either follow her or do whatever they want with their 'lives'
ruby prawn
They have free will anyway
hollow dock
and yet they immediately turned on their friends, family, allies and brothers in arms.
Fighting for the Horde.
hollow dock
I'll tell ya why
ruby prawn
I think the Forsaken are double agents
hollow dock
THey enslaved those dead to fight for the horde against the Alliance. They used Scourge tactics to try and wrestle control of Andorhal to them.
mint arch
choice? did they have the "choice" of being resurrected without permission?
hollow dock
Garrosh was right, Sylvanas is no better than Arthas.