#beta-ptr-spoilers

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jade basalt
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Yeah. @true matrix

hollow dock
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Indicative means, as far as I know, it doesn't indicate something

jade basalt
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@crystal forum I don't think Vris or anyone else is angry here

true matrix
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yes. but it does not rule it out either

hollow dock
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Im just salty. not angry.

crystal forum
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well i mean maybe angry was the wrong word to yse

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maybe more.. irritable? or uh.. harsh?

hollow dock
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If I were angry, I'd be typing a lot differently.

jade basalt
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Ah, well I'm perfectly calm myself so there's that. @crystal forum

crystal forum
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sorry

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sometimes im not so good with words

hollow dock
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its fine. I'm never good with words

jade basalt
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All good.

hollow dock
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english is a hard language

crystal forum
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i also think that Vrykul being a playable race would but cool but it almost seems like they wrapped that up in legion?

hollow dock
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everythings an allied race.

crystal forum
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huh?

jade basalt
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Yea Legion would have been the one opportunity to recruit them, the Northrend ones are mostly all hostile, the Stormheim ones they could have worked around. But they didn't, at the end of the Sigryn questline she says her people can never ally with ours.

hollow dock
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me being salty still.

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There's odyns valajar. that's about the only ones that are left that could in any capacity be allied with us

crystal forum
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yeah, it was a nice lil wrap up of the loose ends, wouldve been cool tho!! also i keep seeing a lot of speculation about draenor orcs? wouldnt that just be orcs with a different skin tint tho? or am i wrong?

hollow dock
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it'd be brown/black orcs yes.

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Something horde players have been asking since Vanilla.

crystal forum
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well... shoot me down if im wrong but couldnt they just.. put new skin shades in the custimazations for regular orcs and be done with it?

hollow dock
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They could. but messing with the customization UI is just a nightmare in of itself. As someone who's gotten to watch people work on that, yea no. I understand why they won't do it.

crystal forum
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ah, i see. odd.

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it'd be cool to see some more races put in tho, i love the diversity

hollow dock
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I want it to be paced, never rushed in at the behest of the community, and done with the proper blizzard quality that I play this game for.

true matrix
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[distant chanting] brown elves brown elves brown elves

hollow dock
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Give me elf eye colors before skin tones

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pls

jade basalt
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Allied races are disappointingly rushed and unpolished so far. Looking at you, Nightborne.

hollow dock
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Which is why I'm so salty towards people demandingso many things being put in as allied races.

crystal forum
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well yes, but i mean personally... i think the allied races look pretty great and if they kept up the adding of a few or even just 2 (one for each faction) each expansion.. it'd be pretty dang cool

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whats wrong with them? i think theyre kinda beautiful

hollow dock
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Theyre unpolished. Its a clear rush job by comparison of other races they added in.

crystal forum
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oh.. i dont see it really, maybe theyll polish it up as time goes on

hollow dock
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They'll have to. Or theyre going to have another scandal like the worgen models.

crystal forum
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the poor worgen faces need some help

hollow dock
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more than just their faces

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their whole rigging needs work. It's why they've taken so long on redoing them.

jade basalt
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Allied race Nightborne look like chubby night elves (the face)

hollow dock
true matrix
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HRRK

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why would you bring back that curséd image

hollow dock
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cursed image

crystal forum
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i mean i think they needed tails too since theyre so top heavy also yeah seeing that nb need some polishing but i think it looks great

hollow dock
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It looks fine from just your average players perspective

crystal forum
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ersonal Wishlist
Arrakoa (Non Exiled)
Vulpera
Tortollan
Sethrek
Ethereals
Broken Draenei

hollow dock
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but the moment you sit still, and if you're a stickler for detail, you start to notice all the wrong things

meager warren
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hey, nerds.
what'd i miss

crystal forum
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hi

hollow dock
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Me being salty at another vulpera supporter

crystal forum
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just speculation on races

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i mean the nightborne race seems a bit... watered down? but its not too bad

true matrix
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I'd love arakkoa, gimme that good androgyny

hollow dock
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I'd like to see it

crystal forum
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arakkoa have always seemed super cool to me

hollow dock
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but I'd also like to see stuff that make sense from a story perspective. So far only the Broken make sense on that list.

meager warren
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from me giving a quick scroll through it, it looked like Quiet was telling you why we're likely not to get Vulpera

hollow dock
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Why we're likely to get vulpera* is what you mean I think

tranquil steeple
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Know what I wanna see? Void Elf beard/facial hair options for Blood Elves.

crystal forum
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i mean i think it'd be cool to get vulpera but i also think the absolute ridiculous wow-racism (like when u play worgen and people nickname u furry n shit) would be a little hard to hande

terse patrol
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scary knees

crystal forum
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knees?

hollow dock
crystal forum
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i awkwardly dont know what thats from or why its cursed

hollow dock
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btw that is an image in Blizzards TCG. They comissioned and OK'd this

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Look at the knees

crystal forum
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OH

hollow dock
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the way the arms and shoulders inhumanly bend

crystal forum
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WTF

hollow dock
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look at how the boobs defy gravity

crystal forum
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I SEE IT NOW

hollow dock
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look at how the body is contorted

crystal forum
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TOOK ME A SEC

hollow dock
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The face looks photoshopped on

crystal forum
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omfghdag

hollow dock
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this is something blizzard OK'd for their TCG

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keep that in mind

crystal forum
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i mean

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yeah

tranquil steeple
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can we get rid of this pictured nightmare, please.

hollow dock
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never

terse patrol
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why would someone make a half assed piece of art like this for something BLIZZARD commissioned

hollow dock
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this is the state of worgen females

tranquil steeple
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GET IT OUT OF HERE

hollow dock
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NEVER

tranquil steeple
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GET IT OUT OF HERE NOW

crystal forum
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XD

terse patrol
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i’d have at least a little pride in my work

hollow dock
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the real question is why blizzard allowed this monstrosity to exist on cards they printed

crystal forum
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i mean i think the actual picture quality is okay.. but the anatomy n such is... off

terse patrol
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what’s the updated one @hollow dock

tranquil steeple
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only the quality is acceptable, everything else is just nightmare fuel

crystal forum
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as an artist myself.. i see where they probably spent hours working on it.. but uh yeah its a bit... off

hollow dock
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it still has weird anatomy, but this at least looks like her in game model

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oversized daggers and all

crystal forum
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i think they need to find someone with a bit more studying on human anatomy

hollow dock
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I can understand their updated one

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because she's supposed to be stepping forward

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so it looks off

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I can excuse that one

tranquil steeple
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Yeah, the updated one is bearable, even if it looks a little weird.

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It's a long step in the right direction atleast, if anything.

hollow dock
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but yea. that cursed image is the state of worgen female models.

tranquil steeple
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Yeeeep.

meager warren
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right??

true matrix
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I'm an artist and that cursed image is an abomination against anatomy

hollow dock
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Did someone say cursed image?

meager warren
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we saw that already, Vris

true matrix
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stop this

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I'm already dead

meager warren
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you want worse art tho?
search RCDART on Google images
that anatomy is much much worse

hollow dock
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I dont see much wrong. Its some artist on tumblr.

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It's not an artist employed by a multi-million dollar company

meager warren
hollow dock
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I dont get myself caught up in that sort of drama.

meager warren
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Tumblr is 10 different kinds of crazy

true matrix
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in fairness they were getting torn a new one on tumblr for their bs

hollow dock
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I remember back when it was a budding site.

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Back when Tumblr was just an innocent place for people to share memes. gather support for some activist movement.

meager warren
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in fairness, their work is hella transphobic

true matrix
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it is. and racist to boot :V

meager warren
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ye but then neo-nazis and other assholes took over Tumblr and Tumblr mods started to care less
that is, if they ever cared.

true matrix
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tumblr staff is, and always has been, useless

hollow dock
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Wow. apparently Bad is transphobic.

true matrix
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they draw trans characters specifically with exaggerated anatomy

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it reeks of fetishism

meager warren
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which is another topic of why RCDART sucks

hollow dock
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Now I dont know what exactly is and isn't transphobic, and how is that art against trans people? It's a style of hyper-exaggerated art. Not something new in my experience, or even that bad all things considered.

true matrix
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they draw trans male characters with huge chests and ridiculously wide hips and tiny waists, it's... very uncomfortable

meager warren
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^
it may not be transphobic per se but it's definitely shitty

hollow dock
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I'll be honest, I dont mind it? I see women being drawn like that all the time.

true matrix
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that's the problem really

meager warren
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^

hollow dock
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Equality. If you're OK with one thing, then you should be OK with the other.

meager warren
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i've never seen anyone drawn in such an exageratted way as RCDART drawings

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i'm not okay with either, Vris

hollow dock
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I have. I can't speak of those artists though. they're on that side of the internet.

meager warren
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what, the deep web?

hollow dock
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Nope.

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the other that

meager warren
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then, what's the problem?

true matrix
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there's a big difference between drawing a cis woman with an exaggerated hourglass figure and drawing a trans man with an exaggerated hourglass figure

hollow dock
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Porn. Pornographic artists.

true matrix
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the former is just kinda sexist, the latter is transphobic

hollow dock
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I dont see the difference.

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Its a body being drawn in an unrealistic fashion

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and I still haven't seen why its against trans people

meager warren
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they're both bad.
i don't like either.

i do see a difference though.
One's supposed to be a "Transman" and the other is a female.
RCDART's transmen don't look anything like what a transman would want to look like

hollow dock
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(cuz in all honesty, the more I look into it, Bugs Bunny is transphobic)

true matrix
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the implication that trans men are basically just women, the fetishisation of trans men by giving them overtly feminine qualities in art. like this isn't just stylisation, this is someone making a conscious choice to draw trans characters in a fetishistic manner.

meager warren
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^

hollow dock
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That's their fetish then. owo I don't see how that's particularly harmful to trans people.

true matrix
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trans people are people, not a fucking fetish

hollow dock
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So are herms

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that's still a fetish

merry briar
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lol

meager warren
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it's not just a fetish.
it's a conscious choice to be a piece of shit

hollow dock
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Like. so are fat people

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that's still a fetish

meager warren
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smh

hollow dock
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why is this one such an issue

true matrix
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the fuck are herms

hollow dock
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Girls with dicks or guys with vaginas. (sometimes they have both genitalia)

true matrix
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ok that

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is not the right term

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intersex

merry briar
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hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

meager warren
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what mei said

hollow dock
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Herm is the right term when they have both.

true matrix
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and intersex people don't deserve to be fetishised either. just like people of specific races don't deserve to be fetishised.

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it's not

merry briar
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erm

hollow dock
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=her·maph·ro·dite
hərˈmafrədīt/
noun
noun: hermaphrodite; plural noun: hermaphrodites

1.
a person or animal having both male and female sex organs or other sexual characteristics, either abnormally or (in the case of some organisms) as the natural condition.
true matrix
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hermaphrodite is a slur

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the correct term is intersex

hollow dock
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That's the literal definition

meager warren
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hermaphrodite is a slur

true matrix
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the dictionary doesn't take into account what words are used to harm other people

meager warren
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wtf do you think "abnormal" means, Vris

hollow dock
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Genetic conditioning.

meager warren
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?
That's just hyper-fast evolution

hollow dock
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Abnormal simply means 'not the norm' which is perfectly true. It's a genetic defect like growing an extra toe or finger.

true matrix
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also "Girls with dicks or guys with vaginas". trans woman and trans man. neither of those fall under the category of intersex

hollow dock
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Futas or I dont know the techincal term for the other.

merry briar
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gender is different to sex

true matrix
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that's also gross

merry briar
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nowadays

true matrix
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futa isn't a technical term, it's gross fetishisation

meager warren
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i think futa is a hentai term

hollow dock
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My point is, other things are fetishized despite being people.

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Why is this an issue

true matrix
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yeah that doesn't mean they should be

meager warren
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mate

true matrix
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PEOPLE AREN'T FETISHES

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THEY'RE HUMAN BEINGS

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THEY DON'T EXIST JUST FOR SOME SICK FUCK TO JACK OFF TO

hollow dock
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No one says they do?

meager warren
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someone drawing what is obviously supposed to be a TRANSMAN as having a big butt and huge boobs ISN'T AN UNCONSCIOUS FETISH
IT'S A CONSCIOUS DECISION TO BE A DICK

hollow dock
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We didn't say it was unconcious

meager warren
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you seemed to imply it was

hollow dock
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and again I dont see how that is trying to harm any particular person other than the fictional character it's being done to.

true matrix
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it costs $0 to shut up and listen when trans people say something is transphobic

meager warren
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"oh, it's just a fetish. people have those"
i'm not even trans and i get how it is.
Vris, they're also based on actual people. Not just fictional characters.

hollow dock
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Ah alright. I only ever saw their drawing of captain and other fictional characters.

meager warren
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"Captain" refers to Chris Evan's Captain America, does it not?
RCDART also drew Kylo Ren, an obvious depiction of Adam Driver's character in the Star Wars movies (though that wasn't so much transphobic as much as it was mocking Adam's appearance by exaggerating facial details)
They drew Finn from the star wars movie(s?)
and others, i'm sure.
All of those characters drawn by RCDART are based on actual, physical people

hollow dock
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It refers to captain america. No specific iteration of him as theres no actual way to tell which version it is unless indicated by the artist.

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As for the others, there's porn being drawn of them all. Is that suddenly harmful to their image?

dense plover
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why the fuck is this in this channel

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come on guys

meager warren
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no.
because most porn drawn of them is actually flattering

dense plover
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we have an offtopic channel

hollow dock
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Arson brought it up.

dense plover
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then move channels

meager warren
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no, man. you brought it up

hollow dock
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I hadn't brought up RCDART

dense plover
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it doesnt matter who the fuck brought what up

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if it isnt about BfA, especially when it delves this far off topic, it doesnt belong here

hollow dock
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then a lot of conversation shouldn' tbe happening here.

dense plover
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look i get it

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we are in a bit of a slump

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we havent had a build in a while

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all we have is a warcraft 3 balance update

meager warren
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i'm muting this server for a little.

dense plover
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#exciting

hollow dock
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we already discussed the new stuff unraveled earlier this afternoon.

dense plover
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yeah

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that #exciting was sarcastic

hollow dock
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In which, I'm excited that there is going to be some pretty early revelations of N'zoth, Yoggy, Ozumat and the rest.

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the wc3 balance patch isn't even that interesting. just some hero balancing. So my strat of tree death lane still works.

dense plover
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yeah the old god stuff is interesting

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it seems like they are going to go in to a lot of their lore in game

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which is great

hollow dock
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Im kinda sad about that. I'd like to see more comics and books being released.

dense plover
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im all for that

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but they need to at least have simplified or visual versions in game

ruby prawn
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Is a warcraft II movie gonna be released anytime soon?

jade basalt
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Nope

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They at first thought about doing another one if the first one did well but they dropped the idea. Reception was too poor.

ruby prawn
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What about Warcraft IV?

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Do they intend to make that?

jade basalt
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No official statement indicating they are

rich apex
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Ha

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No

mint arch
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i mean... we could always talk warcraft anime

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:D

rapid osprey
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Warcraft IV on what ? We are playing w4, sort of

frigid umbra
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Lol war 4.... will never happen until wow is dead. And i dont see that happening any time soon...

tired otter
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Wow 2.0 everything is purchased thru micro transactions and loot boxes

strange falcon
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wow 3.0,you need to buy microtransactions to complete quests and one for each boss mechanic you're trying to do

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to loot a boss you need to buy his respective loot box

hollow dock
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Can we kill the lootbox meme? We all know blizzard doesn't pull that shit.

ruby prawn
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Wow 4.0 everything is locked behind loot boxes or micro transactions. The only "free" thing will be the demo, which will cost 60 euros to begin with and you will only be able to level up to lvl 10 with only the starting gear

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I hope they won't

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So, any new data mining from the alpha client or something new?

hollow dock
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Only what's been put in the Latest-news.

ruby prawn
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How is it going Vris?

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Got the bfa prepurchase?

hollow dock
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Gonna get it this weekend. :v

ruby prawn
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What are you gonna do after you get it?

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Level new chars?

hollow dock
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Gonna go and make my void elf and lightforged. Boost the forged and level the elf.

ruby prawn
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Why boost it though?

hollow dock
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I dont care for the heritage armor

ruby prawn
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What class are you gonna boost?

hollow dock
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priest. Lightforged Shadowpries.t

ruby prawn
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Lol

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What are the things Blizzard is gonna put for the wow anniversary?

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Like, what events?

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I forgot from last year

languid yoke
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I thought overwatch and hots have lootboxes

hollow dock
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It depends. Most of the time its boosted XP.

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Yea they do. But they're not the same type of lootbox as say Battlefront 2

languid yoke
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ok true

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but FPS suck anyway

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🙃

hollow dock
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HOTS and Overwatch only put in sprays, cosmetics etc.

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Nothing that actually makes your character stronger or weaker as a luck system over other players. :v

languid yoke
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still lootboxes, still shit

hollow dock
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Not really? The only reason people hated lootboxes is because of Battlefront 2. When lootboxes became pay to win. Absolutely no one bitched about overwatches lootboxes.

languid yoke
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and yeah until 2016 anniversary was nothing more but XP really + pet (sometimes)

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then they added the question daily + molten core timewalking

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last year the classic world bosses

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who knows what they have in store this year

hollow dock
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I think this year will be BC world bosses.

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it wasn't really timewalking. MC was boosted to level 100 and we got amount for suffering through 40 player raids with LFR brain deaders

languid yoke
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still kind of timewalking, for simplicity

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I actually hope for return of raid ZG

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for tmog purposes

hollow dock
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I'd argue MC was more iconic

languid yoke
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it was

hollow dock
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considering that's the only raid people bitched for on the forums

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this year they bring back ZG raid but its with all the new gear

languid yoke
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idk I only got into WoW at the very end of classic

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ZG raid with cata gear would be meh

hollow dock
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you had 2 expacs, BC and Wrath, to run andsolo farmZG :v

languid yoke
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I did :v

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and the char I did it with is deleted and I can't bring him back cause I reused his name for my rogue

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/o\

hollow dock
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you could bring him back, it'll just ask for a name change.

languid yoke
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screw that, he probably doesn't have anything anymore anyway

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definitely less than my gnome rogue

uncut vault
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I mean, you can restore characters every 15 days

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so its not a big deal to restore chars

languid yoke
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30 days

uncut vault
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15 now

languid yoke
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oh wow

mint arch
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but id argue that overwatch was the reason lootboxes got so popular

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the entire concept of lootboxes is bad

hollow dock
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Oh yea. beacuse they make Overwatch a lot of money. But no one has hated them until games like BF2 made Lootboxes a p2w feature.

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It really isn't. its a gamble for things you don't require to play the game.

mint arch
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its basically gambling though, pay is money and money for chance of something

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even if its cosmetics

hollow dock
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I just said its gambling

mint arch
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ah

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u dont see gambling as bad? in this form?

hollow dock
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I dont see gambling as bad in general, it's when people overstep the line and create an addiction out of it. Add companies taking advantage of it. That's when it gets bad.

mint arch
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cause cosmetics used to be in-game stuff ud earn for playing the game and such

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now its, stick em in lootboxes

hollow dock
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They still are

mint arch
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i agree with u

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gambling on its own, w/e

hollow dock
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Like the existance of lootboxes hasn't stopped HOTS or Overwatch from letting you earn the skins without the need of lootboxes.

mint arch
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but in game and lootbox form, imo, its just bad

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thats a better approach for sure

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having those items be available outside of lootboxes

hollow dock
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Thats how blizzard has been handling it.

mint arch
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imo, thats how it should be simple, have a cosmetic store only

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no lootboxes at all

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u sell ur stuff and consumers are gambling

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cause companies.... how to trust them anymore :/

hollow dock
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IMO, I don't care the lootboxes are in because everything in them I can earn by playing the game.

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You trust them based on past practices, you do you research rather than just blindly trust them

mint arch
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agreed

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but for a regular consumer

hollow dock
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doesn't matter

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if you're a consumer, don't do your research and get duped

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that's on you

mint arch
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or those whales who buy so much shit, its where the money is made

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affects us

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as companies get more greedy

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well, that is true, but u cant put this on consumers for a practice companies are forcing on u

hollow dock
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Yes and like I said: None of this was even thought of or brought up until BF2 made lootboxes p2w

mint arch
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well, mainstream ya

hollow dock
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Overwatch isn't forcing it on us.

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HOTS isn't forcing it on us

mint arch
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im talking in general

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not overwatch

hollow dock
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Blizzard has fought against these practices.

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My issue is people making the joke that they'll do it: despite having fought against these practices and not enforcing them at all. Even giving you free lootboxes as you're playing their games.

mint arch
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ah, id argue hearthstone

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is so fcking bad

hollow dock
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Then you better hate ALL tcg games

mint arch
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with how much money u need on packs

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no, not all are like that

hollow dock
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Yes

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every single one you NEED to buy packs

mint arch
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nope

hollow dock
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to get new cards

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MTG

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YGO

mint arch
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oh, u mean packs

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kk

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i meant what u get from packs, the amount of packs u need, cost and so on

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hearthstone is TERRIBLE

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u couuld spend thousands and not get all the cards

hollow dock
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Because people bothered to do the math behind it

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I've not spent a dime and every rotation I have 2-3 decks that are competative with the rest of the meta

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they're not expensive 10k+ dust decks, but they are able to push pretty close to legend.

mint arch
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u play every day?

hollow dock
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Nope

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Every 3-4 days, once a week garunteed for the brawl pack

mint arch
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hmm, so u have 2-3 decks per expansion just from the gold and dust

hollow dock
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Yup.

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Not expansion

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that's wrong

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Per rotation

mint arch
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rotation meaning?

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month reset?

hollow dock
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Ever since I think it was Karazhan or the expac after it, Blizzard started doing yearly rotations.

mint arch
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oh that

hollow dock
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old sets rotate out of standard, new sets come in

mint arch
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aye, just forgot what they were called

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rotation to wild

uncut vault
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IMO, OW does it right, HS doesnt. OW has purely cosmetic rewards that you earn on a regular basis just by playing. HS has ones you need to stay competitive, and you can only earn so much from just playing.

mint arch
#

and w/e the other is

hollow dock
#

Not true at all port.

uncut vault
#

How is none of what I said true

hollow dock
#

People have proven with some research, game knowledge, and a really decent hunter deck, you can hit legend as a pure f2p player

mint arch
#

sure

uncut vault
#

yes and in Battlefront 2, you can win with no cards

mint arch
#

i used to do that

#

zoo or huntard

uncut vault
#

but you can also pay to get the maazing cards isntantly

mint arch
#

was easy

uncut vault
#

thats how companies get around it. you CAN win with just the base cards to its okay

mint arch
#

well, not just base cards

hollow dock
#

For any TCG its like that though

#

and its even worse on the physical TCgs

mint arch
#

those decks still need latest expansion cards

uncut vault
#

Hearthstone isnt a TCG

mint arch
#

even if the base deck was similar

uncut vault
#

itsa collectable card game

mint arch
#

hearthstone is not a TCG, agreed

uncut vault
#

no trading or physical value involved

mint arch
#

^

hollow dock
#

Despite the fact that people have put a physical value on how much dust youre gaining to tell when its worth to stop in arena with a bad deck and how much dust you get per pack, which is 1 dollar.

uncut vault
#

thats not really what physical value entails. you dont get anything concrete with your money, especially since the cards rotate out of the main mode.

mint arch
#

the change from Expansion - Adventure - Expansion to pure expansions, was real greedy

hollow dock
#

How?

#

They give you FREE adventures that still give you FREE cards for those expansions

#

KFC was a perfect handle of it.

uncut vault
#

the adventures alongside the xpacs do not give free cards

hollow dock
#

Knights did

uncut vault
#

you get one pack per wing

hollow dock
#

And a free deathknight

#

You got a free quest with Ungoro and three free packs, you got a free weapon with kobolds and three free packs again.

#

The dust stacks up real fast.

mint arch
#

3 packs give u nothing unless ur super lucky xD

hollow dock
#

With the change to get a garunteed legendary in the first ten packs also is a major help

mint arch
#

that change was good, true

#

took them long enough to do it

uncut vault
#

if you think 3 packs and 1 RNG legendary reward gets you set for a whole xpac, I dunno what to say. But OW did a better change IMO, getting all items of a rarity before ever getting dupes

mint arch
#

lets say u want to pre-order an expansion: that's roughly a $150 a year just to preorder

#

and even then, u dont get anywhere the whole xpac

hollow dock
#

a pre-order is not 150 USD

mint arch
#

for all 3 xpacs^

#

not 1

hollow dock
#

You had said 1

uncut vault
#

150 a year, 3 xpacs a year

#

preorders are 50

#

quick mafs

hollow dock
#

: lets say u want to pre-order an expansion:

mint arch
#

jesus christ, i get it

#

FOR THREE

#

-_-

hollow dock
#

Alright and that's your choice to do it.

mint arch
#

i just corrected myself

uncut vault
#

And in some countries, the preorder is a worse deal than just waiting for the xpac to launch then buying 60

hollow dock
#

You are not in anyway shape or form required to spend money for hearthstone.

mint arch
#

its not about the choice, its about the FACT that if u spent that much

#

u still dont get the xpacs

#

u need to spend more

#

or grind

uncut vault
#

The bigger problem is honestly that $50 doesnt get you all the cards, or even half

mint arch
#

fcking $60 is the price of a FULL game

hollow dock
#

Hearthstone is f2p

mint arch
#

sure it is

uncut vault
#

to get all the cards in a reasonable amount if time, you have to spend a lot.

hollow dock
#

You don't pay $60 upfront

uncut vault
#

you CAN grind it all out, but that takes a LOT of effort

hollow dock
#

It really doesn't

#

Log in, get 3 quests done

#

come back in 3 days

#

rinse repeat

mint arch
#

it does, it is a grind

#

u grind for gold to buy packs

#

and ur still at mercy of RNG

#

of the packs

hollow dock
#

Arena.

mint arch
#

so u can get shitty RNG and no good cards

#

and have to grind more

hollow dock
#

In which guess what'

uncut vault
#

5 packs a week doesnt get you all the cards in an xpacs initial launch time.

hollow dock
#

there's BLP on the packs

tulip torrent
#

guys this is bfa (wow remember ?) channel please dont spoil it with hearthstone

uncut vault
#

you must be new here

tulip torrent
#

not really

uncut vault
#

cause if you've been here longer than a week you'd know this happens

#

in every channel ever

tulip torrent
#

actually thanks to wowhead i started using discord one year ago ^^

uncut vault
#

chiming in to remind people of something they clearly know adds nothing to any convo.

tulip torrent
#

but they stopped didn't they ? 😉

hollow dock
#

If ya do want BFA spoilers

#

come around when theres spoilers to talk about

mint arch
#

^

#

theres nothing else to really talk about

tulip torrent
#

no alpha access QQ

hollow dock
#

Alright?

#

You dontneed access to know what's going on

tulip torrent
#

i did read anything interesting to me from the news :/ but i guess blizz is more focused on warcraft now instead of beta

hollow dock
#

? why

mint arch
#

wut?

hollow dock
#

WC3s team is not the same as the BFA team.

mint arch
#

and id assume BFA team are busy working on xpac than caring about what is on alpha

#

xD

uncut vault
#

you stopped an interesting convo that stemmed from a BfA discussion. So useful to the chat 👏

tulip torrent
#

ok, sorry continue with your hearthstone discussion

uncut vault
#

But every aspect of every game has a different team. One getting a lot of focus doesnt detract from the other getting focus

#

WC3 getting balance changes doesnt take away from WoW art development in the slightest

strong python
#

Felsiege Doomcaller says: Chaos reigns.

#

Warcraft 3: Reign of Chaos

#

Warcraft 3 Remastered confirmed

hollow dock
#

Except there's no remaster and the Warcraft 3 announcement is just the very surprise in Blizzard making an Esport cirque with it

leaden garden
#

xD

strong python
#

xD

#

don't make me cry, @hollow dock

hollow dock
#

all your hopes and dreams are just memes now

mint arch
#

the actual announcement is that wc3 will be turned into an anime :D

jovial coral
#

In Netflix?

#

That would be awesome

#

If they partnered up that could get some more subs

#

For Netflix and wow.

zinc sandal
#

I wonder if Lightforged parents birth Lightforged children.

#

Will Lightforged draenei be a full blown race, or just a group of people that undergo the ritual?

proud karma
#

I don't think they do

rich apex
#

I'd presume no, given the intensity of the ritual to make someone Lightforged

proud karma
#

Yeah there's no specific confirmation i think, im going off of the strong emphasis they put on the process

#

A bit like worgen

terse patrol
#

i thought worgen pass on the curse

proud karma
#

no

terse patrol
#

tbh theres no reason not to give the "curse" to other people. Extended life, plus cool wolf strength.

proud karma
#

ok

terse patrol
#

bite yo kids

zinc sandal
#

Transmitting it to children is a BAD idea

#

Terrible.

terse patrol
#

wait til they get old enough then

rich apex
#

Void elves, on the other hand

#

Given the void spreads

#

Void exposure in the womb is probably Super Bad

terse patrol
#

tentacle babies

rich apex
#

Soulless tentacle babies

zinc sandal
#

Beautiful

rich apex
#

😐

hollow dock
#

Void corruption, like fel, would pass through to the children. While things like the Worgen Curse don't.

Btw Honk, the reason you dont want the curse on other people is because the Gilneas worgen dont have full control of the curse, just enough to not go feral.

terse patrol
#

ya but its cool

#

rule of cool

jovial coral
#

I want to see undead worgen

dusky ginkgo
#

Not sure the thing who would get out of that womb would still be a 'baby'

#

In Void Elves case

terse patrol
#

worgen are incapable of being undead tho

hollow dock
#

Well. That's true and not true Honk.

#

The Gilnean worgen are incapable of turning undead, but Argul managed to turn his own Worgen undead (hence why Worgen DKs exist)

uncut vault
#

They can still turn undead just fine. The curse just gives them enough resistance to it that the Valkyrie can't turn them. Lich King has the power to

steel venture
#

Gilnean worgen that've gone through the Ritual of Tal'doren cannot be turned into Forsaken, yeah.

#

Other types of worgen that are still relatively feral are fair game.

uncut vault
#

Worgen that willingly take the curse from those that went through the ritual also seem to be resistant

zinc sandal
#

I thought how it worked was that Worgen can become undead, but they're immune to the Plague of Undeath

dense plover
#

^

#

this is correct

#

you can raise a worgen

#

but the plague doesnt effect them

#

at least not the original plague

jade basalt
dense plover
#

the current plague has been heavily modified

#

thats why in the alpha its being called blight instead of plague

#

it now kills everything that touches it

jade basalt
#

So that has to mean he's going to see James Waugh since he was Director of Story & CDev and he left for Lucasfilm last year.

hollow dock
#

I thought that's how its worked since WotLK?

#

The forsaken, as far as I know, developed the new and improved plague that killed everything in Wrath, it was used at the wrathgate, Gilneas, and Southshore. Leaving nothing behind but slimy goop of whateverwas caught in it

dense plover
#

might be true

#

i think that plague didnt kill undead

#

but it later did

languid yoke
#

you can't raise Gilnean worgen

#

the undead worgen are arugal's worgen

hollow dock
#

I remember in Undercity they tested it on Undead and Living alike, it killed both. Just like in the Wrathgate cinematic, it killed Arthas' undead forces and the Horde and Alliance members there

#

it's just never been called Blight until now afaik.

uncut vault
#

New race in the files, hype

dense plover
#

YAY

#

new beta build

jade basalt
dense plover
#

seems like the beginning of the azerite system may be hitting the alpha

uncut vault
#

Huh, they’re adding hots art to the game

dense plover
#

where?

jade basalt
dense plover
#

i mean

jade basalt
#

It's HotS art technically but they cut off the HotS thing (dragon knight)

#

So it's probably just for wow

dense plover
#

copying a piece from a thing is just time saving'

uncut vault
#

Cut it off pretty damn badly lol

zinc sandal
#

Crop game weak

uncut vault
#

I feel like if they wanted art of Uthers hammer they could have just used his hero art

dense plover
#

i think its going to be background art

#

the crop wont matter

jade basalt
#

Might be related to the fact we're using artifacts to absorb Sargeras' sword's power

uncut vault
#

Is wowhead watermarking datamined stuff now? Seems kinda pointless and weird

jade basalt
#

Underrot seems to be in

hollow dock
#

They've always watermarked their stuff. :v

jade basalt
#

@uncut vault I assume it is automated, when they upload pics on their site.

uncut vault
#

Weird, never noticed it

dense plover
#

yeah its always been there

hollow dock
#

Mostof the time its through background or floor details

final vault
#

The Orcs are labeled as Allliance... this is not a drill

dense plover
#

dude

#

no dont start this here

hollow dock
#

ORCS GOIN ALLIANCE BOIS

dense plover
#

its just a copypaste

#

its just a copypaste

#

theyre laughing skull

#

the models are laughing skull

rich apex
#

Gimme dat source man

uncut vault
#

Are they labeled as alliance? Customization section looks like it just has 0s atm

dense plover
#

its going to be horde

final vault
#

If they were to copy and paste them.. they'd copy the factionid 2 from orcs 😦

dense plover
#

it just has no work done

hollow dock
#

Also

#

am I the only one who noticed

#

the Vulpera aren't marked anymore?

dense plover
#

they arent going to go alliance

#

it wouldnt make sense

#

literally wouldnt make sense

jade basalt
#

"Orc" has the same factionID as Humans apparently, and Vulpera had their factionID changed

dense plover
#

and its way to early to decide anyway

#

wait until we get closer

strange falcon
#

not even taliesin could handle a shitshow that big if orcs went alliance

rich apex
#

Butbutbut

dense plover
#

they arent even in the game yet

rich apex
#

muh clickbait

dense plover
#

^

final vault
#

Oh I just love starting the debate 😄

hollow dock
#

You can still clickbate it

dense plover
#

its not a debate

rich apex
#

b o i

dense plover
#

its clickbate

jade basalt
hollow dock
#

(I love that I mispelt it and peach trusted my spelling)

dense plover
#

oh my god

#

thats a lot of map updates

#

also

#

i didnt trust your spelling

#

it is a play on words

#

not a debate, its clickbate

#

clickbait is the correct spelling

hollow dock
#

Sure it was. Hide your feelings but I know whats true~

zinc sandal
#

Get a room

hollow dock
#

Never

#

Our love will be public for all to see

dense plover
#

so apparently this is a big update

#

with the amount of map updates

uncut vault
#

It’s okay youtubers can still use this to justify putting brown orcs in stormwind tabards in their thumbnails with “ORCS ON ALLIANCE?!?!??” As their title again

hollow dock
#

Im just happy the Vulpera got their ID changed

#

so we can finally end the beggers for it

#

Yes it is Port.

rich apex
#

Well, they gotta get those subs somehow so they can convince Blizz to give them an alpha key

zinc sandal
#

So Vulpera are not going to be playable?

#

NICE

hollow dock
#

Im happy.

zinc sandal
#

Nothing makes my day like shattering people's dreams

hollow dock
#

Same

olive mirage
#

i mean, its still alpha, anything could happen

rich apex
#

^

hollow dock
#

Quiet your face

zinc sandal
#

Nah

uncut vault
#

I would have loved seeing blizzard justification for them joining the Horde though

rich apex
#

Schrodinger's Allied Race

olive mirage
#

yall just dont want cute fuzzy vicious animals to be playable rooHparpo

#

wait

uncut vault
#

Would have been fun to laugh at for days

olive mirage
#

that emote got removed

hollow dock
#

That's very true

#

because theyre not cute

zinc sandal
#

I really do not

hollow dock
#

theyre horrifying

rich apex
#

But they are on Zandalar and Hordies are going to help them

#

So

#

Or they probably are

hollow dock
#

So were Taunka

olive mirage
#

i mean, the alliance go to zandalar at max level

#

and vice versa

wild pewter
#

WoWHead still pretty barebones on the datamined stuff

jade basalt
hollow dock
#

Theyre Grummles 2.0

rich apex
#

Horde Kul'tirans when

uncut vault
#

Pretty sure vulpera are a neutral faction

zinc sandal
#

Both factions also help Nightborne, Highmountain, and Lightforged. Look at how that turned out.

rich apex
#

#felorcsconfirmed???

#

Okay, yeah, that bit is fair 😛

olive mirage
#

why are there 3 pandaren

#

neutral alliance horde?

true matrix
#

correct

zinc sandal
#

Pandaren are neutral at first

olive mirage
#

Gilnean for the intro...

zinc sandal
#

Then they join either faction

hollow dock
#

Gilneans also exist out in Bradensbrook.

olive mirage
#

i mean, zandalari troll also have a faction ID of 1

#

so its a placeholder ID

uncut vault
#

The neutral pandas also bring up an interesting point

hollow dock
#

Yea but Vulpera have one of 0

olive mirage
#

im seeing a 1

uncut vault
#

They’re neutral but passively flagged as Horde

hollow dock
#

Like the other races that have player models

olive mirage
hollow dock
#

See where it says 623

olive mirage
#

theres a 1 there

hollow dock
#

that's the faction id

#

On the main picture

olive mirage
#

i thought it was the column marked "Faction ID"

dense plover
#

new models

#

new models alert

zinc sandal
#

??

hollow dock
#

Nah. :v the 623 columm is what labels their faction.

dense plover
#

boop

hollow dock
#

No idea what the faction ID one all the way on the side is

dense plover
hollow dock
#

Oh god they remembered spider tanks exist

zinc sandal
#

Dark Iron?

uncut vault
#

My undermine dreams are coming true

dense plover
uncut vault
#

Long boi

hollow dock
#

O L D G O D

dense plover
#

thats definitely goblin tech

zinc sandal
#

OLG DODS

olive mirage
#

could be another engineering mount

hollow dock
#

BLACK EMPIRE HERE I COME BABY

zinc sandal
#

^^^^^^

dense plover
#

bunch of new islands

strong python
#

now we're talking

#

😉

uncut vault
#

Waiting for the mechagnome island to get updates

strong python
#

playable mechagnome

#

ops

uncut vault
#

Also, with those 1s, those look like they’re just the baseline numbers, cause vulpera, human, Zandalari and orc won’t all have the same faction ID

hollow dock
#

yea. I'm not sure why that exists there

#

but the one with the 623s and 0s are what decides their faction.

uncut vault
#

The ones on the end are something all of em have, non player races have two 1’s too

#

So there’s no real indication forcalliance orcs in the code

wild pewter
#

"Soldiers of the Horde, ready your blades! Today, we march on the Kal'dorei!"

languid yoke
#

yeah I don't see where the alliance indication is supposed to be

zinc sandal
#

Alliance orcs will not happen, guys

hollow dock
#

Yea goodluck on that one :v Grommash in the Fel Horde couldn't march on them.

uncut vault
#

“Kal’dorei” fire this person blizzard

hollow dock
#

Why? its just Kal'dorei

#

I dont see whats so wrong with Kal'dorei. Its the Night'Elf people

languid yoke
#

Are people arguing with that 1 at the end that is also present on Zandalari Trolls? Cause i don't think zandalari trolls are alliance

zinc sandal
#

Kal'dorei for life.

hollow dock
#

Kal'dorei is love

jade basalt
#

The 1 just means "non playable" it's a default thing that, if you look closely, all non playable races have

uncut vault
#

Maybe it’s just Sylvanas trying to be politically correct towards the blood elves

#

But some person who writes broadcast text just doesn’t understand that it’s Kaldorei

jade basalt
#

One has to look at CreationScreenID and the 6..55 numbers (55 = ally, 58 = horde)

hollow dock
#

It's Kal'dorei

zinc sandal
#

Sin'dorei, ren'dorei, shal'dorei

#

Kal'dorei

hollow dock
#

Exactly

languid yoke
#

eh looking at the old non playable races isn't really indicating

#

yeah and the new orcs don't have a creation screen ID yet

#

it's a row full of 0

jade basalt
#

Yes. The 1 means nothing.

true matrix
uncut vault
#

Different dialects, different pronunciations. Kaldorei is pronounced differently from sin’dorei

jade basalt
#

@true matrix Yea, that and ChrCreationID

zinc sandal
#

No, it isn't

hollow dock
#

Kal'dorei is correct :v

languid yoke
#

interesting to see that blizzard somehow implemented DID before Zandalari? :D

hollow dock
#

it is sounded 'Kal-dorei'

#

Like not trolling, that is how you pronounce it

strange falcon
#

zandalari having 0 🤔

uncut vault
#

Malf and Kael show it best, kaldorEI vs sinDORei

#

Malf and Tyrande both pronounce it as kaldorEI

languid yoke
#

noone likes Malf and Tyrande

hollow dock
#

I like tyrande

languid yoke
#

no you don't

true matrix
#

@strange falcon hasn't been implemented yet it would seem. which means pretty much any race with a 0 on this list has a shot at being implemented :V

languid yoke
#

actually I like tyrande cause she scared away the nightborne from the alliance

#

thank you tyrande

hollow dock
#

I mean

languid yoke
#

should've gotten rid of velfs too

hollow dock
#

she didn't

#

but OK

zinc sandal
#

Yeah she did?

languid yoke
#

yeah she did

hollow dock
#

Her saying 'piss off' to the Nightfallen is not the reason they joined the horde :v

zinc sandal
#

Not the sole reason

languid yoke
#

but a reason to not join the alliance

true matrix
#

there are many factors as to why they aligned with the horde

zinc sandal
#

^

jade basalt
#

Azeroth be stirrin', champion. She be wantin' ye te have somethin'.
The Heart of Azeroth! It be housin' a portion of Azeroth herself.
This be the key te savin' our planet. Keep it close... and listen te it when it calls for ye.

hollow dock
#

But you can't say 'Oh she's the reason Nightborne didn't join'

#

So its literally just a chunk of Azerite

uncut vault
#

But Warcraft encyclopedia says Kaldorei and quel’dorei, so I’ll trust that and the many years of not adding the apostrophe

languid yoke
hollow dock
#

(yes in reality its spelt Kaldorei

true matrix
#

the alliance didn't offer what thalyssra thought her people needed, and they didn't seek to nurture ties with the nightborne, unlike the horde.

hollow dock
#

That's a spoodertank

languid yoke
#

it only has 4 legs

hollow dock
#

Spoodertanks only have 4 legs.

uncut vault
#

So can a spider if you hurt it enough

languid yoke
#

🤔

#

fascinating

zinc sandal
#

. . .

uncut vault
#

Nobody ever said goblins are smart, just good at slapping metal together

languid yoke
#

. . .

hollow dock
#

Gnomes and Goblins made their spoodertanks 4 legged

languid yoke
#

nah that's different

#

or is this new tank a child spoodertank?

true matrix
#

being like a spider isn't just in the number of legs!

languid yoke
#

so cute -w-

true matrix
#

it's in the form! it's in the movement!

hollow dock
#

its most likely a variant of the spoodertank

uncut vault
#

Spider tank is really just a nickname

hollow dock
#

Most likely for mining and drilling

uncut vault
#

Real name is mechanotank

languid yoke
#

but is it a child mechanotank then?

#

and if yes, how does a tank make a child

uncut vault
#

No just a fat one

hollow dock
#

The picture I showed is named the DX-9000 Spider Tank "Legionkiller"

#

its certainly called that.

languid yoke
#

I'd have said "it's not fat, it's fluffy" but 🤔

uncut vault
#

You know I wonder where gallywix’s spider tank went

languid yoke
#

it's on the right track, baby, it was born this way?

hollow dock
#

I just realized where this design came from and why it looked so familiar to me

#

and I dare not show a hint of weebism here cuz its from anime

zinc sandal
#

aims anti-weeb gun at Vris

languid yoke
#

"You face the might of Korthek, the Eternal Emperor!"
You face Jaraxxus, Eredar Lord of the Burning Legion!

hollow dock
#

I didn't say it1

dense plover
#

the left side of zuldazar (zone) has been erased

zinc sandal
#

I'm watching.

dense plover
#

they replaced it with genericc land

hollow dock
#

wait

#

does

#

that mean

#

Continuity?

uncut vault
#

Can you link the map viewer site, I keep losing it

hollow dock
#

Will it actually sink into the ocean halfway like it's supposed to be?

languid yoke
#

BUT MY DESERT

#

I don't even care what's inside it I just want my desert

#

;_;

uncut vault
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That’s what nazmir is

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Former normal forest sunken into a swamp

dense plover
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lots of little tweaks to voldun

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much mre finished

tulip sun
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Ooo

languid yoke
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lots of little tweaks to voldun to make it generic land 🤔

jade basalt
hollow dock
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So wait

uncut vault
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@dense plover can you link the site that shows the differences between builds on maps, keep losing if

languid yoke
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"8.0 Islands - Platform - Deepholm Mercury Pool 01" deepholm?

strange falcon
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zandalari shamans bois

languid yoke
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DEEPHOLM?

hollow dock
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is all of Zuldazar just slightly sunken in?

languid yoke
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owo nice totem

craggy nexus
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That looks like a mail box.

dense plover
hollow dock
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Also that means they're using that island to build on Nwolf

uncut vault
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Probably just reusing the deepholm mercury pools assets

hollow dock
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they use Nagrand islands everywhere :v

uncut vault
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Also thanks ❤️

languid yoke
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maybe zuldazar is just what's left of a huge continent

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well, okay obviously it's that

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nagrand was a great zone

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and empty

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fits everywhere

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still disappointed that there was nothing on the tiny islands after unlocking flying

hollow dock
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Basically yea.

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They're perfect for building upwards on a mountain temporarily until the devs code in the actual mountainside

dense plover
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lol

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this fucking map

languid yoke
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should be

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sssssssnake dungeon

hollow dock
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that is a horrifying amalgamation

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The feed isn't live right? Cuz jesus it looks like it glitched

languid yoke
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I can't even tell what part is a dungeon and what part is ??????

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yeah the snake dungeon map looks odd

hollow dock
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Is

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is that a whole snake skeleotn?

languid yoke
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uuh

uncut vault
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Maybe that’s where the Gundrak snake went 🤔

hollow dock
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At the start of those blue pools that white-gray structure

dense plover
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lots of additions to the tentacle area in kul tiras

languid yoke
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that looks like a snake yes

hollow dock
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das a really big snek

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thats a lot of angry noodle

uncut vault
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But it might just be because we’re only inside the dungeon

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So outside doesn’t matter

wild pewter
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Show us Kul Tiras!

hollow dock
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Not much to show tbh

dense plover
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big clock tower in boralus is finished

languid yoke
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is it a clock

hollow dock
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or is it a tower

languid yoke
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"Moonless Night" is an interesting mission character btw

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I think we're gonna die without a moon.

hollow dock
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With no moon, does Azshara die?

uncut vault
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That zandalar removed area interests me

dense plover
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zandalari shamans have new totem models

uncut vault
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Maybe it’s a multi phase base like in 5.1 krasarang

languid yoke
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" SPELL_FAILED_CUSTOM_ERROR_361
There are no Wild Imps to sacrifice."

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ok thanks

uncut vault
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Looks all green before we occupy it

dense plover
hollow dock
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so

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maybe

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another garrison system?

uncut vault
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I certainly love stuff like that, actually seeing the before and after is great to me

languid yoke
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nah I doubt garrison

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just normal phasing shenanigans

hollow dock
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NO ITS ANOTHER GARRISON AND YOU CAN'T MAKE ME THINK OTHERWISE

languid yoke
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GARRISON SUCKED

true matrix
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god no

hollow dock
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GARRISONS WERE FINE

true matrix
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not again

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I'm not... strong enough...

hollow dock
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I WILL SHOW YOU WHAT IT MEANS TO BE WARSONG

languid yoke
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garrisons were fine if your measurement for being "fine" is nomi's cooking

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:V

wild pewter
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Asking mrpeach not you Vris 😄

languid yoke
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I'll never get the update progress between mmo champ and wowhead

hollow dock
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asking what?

languid yoke
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mmo champ only has one thing on page and that's something that's not on wowhead

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how

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why

wild pewter
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I asked him to show us some of Kul Tiras

hollow dock
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There's not much to show.

wild pewter
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and you replied with that!

uncut vault
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Probably just datamining in a different order

wild pewter
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So I told you I wasn't addressing you, so you don't need to bother 😄

dense plover
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its the same fucking map button

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click and find it yourself

hollow dock
dense plover
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and there isnt much to show

hollow dock
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

'

dense plover
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tentacle area dungeon place is bigger

jade basalt
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Mage a gif of the updates to Zuldazarhttps://gfycat.com/SardonicLimpingBorer

Gfycat
wild pewter
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Ooooh cool

dense plover
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biggest change for zandalar is stuff in voldun and that area in zandalar

hollow dock
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Oh they changed the cove to a beach

dense plover
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no no

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the beach was before

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the moon shaped cove on the left is the new build

languid yoke
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wew there's a lot of snow on kul tiras

hollow dock
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Oh they changed the beach to a cove.

dense plover
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yeah

hollow dock
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That's interesting

dense plover
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its weird

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they removed an area

hollow dock
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Maybe a good spot for Ozumat to spawn as a WB?

dense plover
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which means they have plans for it

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its a huge area they essentially just erased

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so they must be starting over in that small area

uncut vault
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Ozumount pls

languid yoke
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inb4 it's not even a weapon

hollow dock
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Looks like the weird sword from BC

languid yoke
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/o\

dense plover
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uldir

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those icons are uldir stuff

hollow dock
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titan weapons

dense plover
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^

hollow dock
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YAY MORE TITAN WEAPONS

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been begging for more since Ulduar

languid yoke
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I hope Uldir will be a good raid

hollow dock
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Its blizzard

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every raid is either mediocre or great

languid yoke
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yes and I don't want it to be mediocre like EN ;_;

hollow dock
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EN woulda beena fine raid

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if it werentfor Xavius

languid yoke
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should've used DHT's Xavius in EN

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:D

dense plover
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it was a white room

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whose stupid idea was that

hollow dock
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Who gave them the dumb idea to control who gets their CDs reset?

languid yoke
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I swear it wasn't mine

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what about the random people getting fall damage

hollow dock
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Fuck Xavius

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they needed to have designed it bette

languid yoke
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Xuck Favius

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as said, DHT's Xavius in EN

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at least Helya was a good boss for a short raid

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hm a few warfront buildings/areas on mmo champ

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for the Arathi warfront

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oh class changes

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oooh Veng DHs finally got a real talent instead of Coming Soon

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Void Reaver Enemies struck by Soul Cleave deal 8% less damage to you for 4 sec.

compact wadi
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sounds pretty good

hollow dock
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Oh hey

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damage reduction

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instead of healing

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thank god

languid yoke
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Fel Barrage gets turned into a channel

hollow dock
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Barrage is a channel on live 0=

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You're just able to move while channeling it

compact wadi
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But who doesn't love soloing mythics?

languid yoke
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hm

compact wadi
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lol

languid yoke
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was listed as instant ability apparently

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

hollow dock
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they made that shit instant?!

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what

languid yoke
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instant with 3 sec duration still

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don't ask

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might have been a derp on blizz's side

hollow dock
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I hope to god

languid yoke
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lots of talent removals on survival

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again

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(new talents getting removed)

hollow dock
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RIP

languid yoke
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and Harpoon changed to 30 sec recharge with only 1 charge so I'll just assume there's going to be a talent that gives a 2nd chance

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yeah they removed the talent that increased Crit after using Harpoon and Haste after using Disengage

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aka Momentum 2.0