Full model rework.
#beta-ptr-spoilers
hollow dock
hollow dock
Starting zone.
solid sparrow
Hmmhm, there's an idea for next expansion.
craggy nexus
Aren't ogre created from the mud of Morir?
ruby prawn
Next expansion should be only about ogres? :)))
solid sparrow
Of course. World of Warcraft: All About Ogres
hollow dock
I thought ogres devolved from the Gronn?
hollow dock
Wait does that mean orcs are dumber than ogres? 🤔
craggy nexus
Saramon created them with the magics of Middle Earth.
ruby prawn
No
ruby prawn
As their bodies got smaller, their inteligence grew
hollow dock
Uru'kai I believe are the ones born from the earth.
ruby prawn
That's why the orcs won the fight against them when they were slaves
They were able to cooperate and think tactics
craggy nexus
The orcs won the fight to be free from slavery because the story would be really boring if they hadn't.
ruby prawn
And I don't even think orcs would accept ogres in their horde due to the track record they had together
It wouldn't... We would just have ogres instead of orcs
Thrall would have been an ogre
Imagine thay
That*
They wanted to add the ogre as a playable race in Cata, but dropped that idea
solid sparrow
I still remember the aprils fool Blizzard made regarding Ogres.
proud karma
there are ogres in the horde now?
proud karma
you can visit them if you'd like, whenever you want
solid sparrow
Two-headed ogre mage, if I recall right.
proud karma
they're in game! hold on
dense plover
I would argue orcs aren’t dumb
proud karma
proud karma
i had to get a lecture from an orc woman that no, they are not slaves, and yes, they are people, and yes, they allied with the horde willingly
solid sparrow
ruby prawn
They are dumber than the other races
dense plover
Ogres are dumb tho
proud karma
id link it but dang this was a month ago so i dont have the quest name
dense plover
Two headed ogres usually aren’t
proud karma
dumb yeah but not insentient
like, goblins are smarter than all of us but we arent all their slaves
dense plover
Octopus aren’t insentient, you don’t see us sharing a meal with them do you?
proud karma
oh, go get the lecture from the orc woman ingame
go ask the game!
theres also some in duskwallow who are horde too
they have a little town
ruby prawn
They are allies, but have you ever seen them fight along the horde?
ruby prawn
That's not what I meant
proud karma
not being in promo material means nothing- show me one gnome in BFA promo materials
one
but we sure aren't giving up guns and gyrocopters
ruby prawn
Gnomes are a very important addition to the alliance
craggy nexus
Pandas are an important addition to the alliance too.
ruby prawn
Ogres aren't. They haven't ever been in a cinematic
proud karma
ah true! the poor pandas get left out too
hollow dock
Ogres were in the original invasion of azeroth
craggy nexus
Cho'gal has a ton of cinematics.
ruby prawn
That ogres aren't important in the horde
ruby prawn
A small tribe or 2 doesn't prove anything
proud karma
onyxia? chogall? twilight hammer? ....no?
craggy nexus
It starts with a tribe or 2.
hollow dock
ogres were the original muscle of the horde for pulling catapults and stuff
but their relevance has waned.
greatly I may add.
proud karma
i mean im jealous, that ogre city is bigger than anything the darkspear get. and we had a darkspear warchief lol
ruby prawn
There were important ogres in the old days
ruby prawn
But now they are irrelevant
craggy nexus
Goblin's replaced the use of ogres with machines. Ogre live matter! Down with the machines.
hollow dock
Those aren't now. :p Ogres are pretty irrelevant.
proud karma
no big cities! just huts. its a personal grievance of mine
ruby prawn
So they won't add them as a race
ruby prawn
Yes, wasn't that what we were talking about?
proud karma
i just saw someone say there were no ogres in the horde and wanted to show those ogre boys
ruby prawn
That's the best response I have ever gotten
xD
I don't think they will ever add them tbh
craggy nexus
I don't really care what races or classes they put in honestly. I play the game because I enjoy it.
ruby prawn
They aren't very involved in the lore
craggy nexus
I don't think so either.
proud karma
neither really are draenor orcs anymore but look
i say it's all for fan fun (or honestly their money)- look at the pretty shiny "alliance gets blood elves" elves they literally pulled out of the void
hollow dock
Ogres are on the sidelines of lore.
the allied races are certainly for the fans more than the lore. But that's not a blank check to make anything an allied race. :v
ruby prawn
Mag'har orcs kinda make sense
Didn't Hellscream say we can count on them when we need help?
hollow dock
Y'rel did*
proud karma
yes it is too a blank check!!!!
hollow dock
Nope.
proud karma
tell me velfs make sense
hollow dock
and nope.
proud karma
tell me
hollow dock
They do
proud karma
how
proud karma
there should be like 2 of them
ruby prawn
Not really an army
proud karma
ye
hollow dock
Void elves are created forcibly by a nether prince wanting forces for himself. They attracted him through their research into the void and its energies.
Now that its shown they can be created and not go insane, others step forward wanting to go throught he same process.
proud karma
another point: thrown out because they corrupt the sunwell by lookin at it slantways- imagine all those alliance moonwells
hollow dock
The moonwell is not the same as the Sunwell
proud karma
its dangerous yo
hollow dock
No where near as dangerous as the Sunwell
Sunwell is infused with Light.
Moonwells arent
ruby prawn
Vris. You know that the vindicaar is now floating in space?
hollow dock
Great?
ruby prawn
You said there is not such thing as a spaceship and they went through a portal and it isn't the same thing
hollow dock
the vindicaar isnt a space traveling vessel. None of the naaru ships are.
ruby prawn
Also, the void elves and the lightforged draenei aren't fair because the alliance got a dozen or two of void elves and what's left of the army of the light
The horde got 2 capitals and many more people to fight with
So will be the Zandalari
strange falcon
we got 2 entire zones,you got 0 zones,and a spaceship in the sky,add the 2 in bfa,you have a mountain,and we have a literal golden empire
ruby prawn
The dark iron dwarves were in the alliance already basically, while the horde gets a huge empire
strange falcon
you cannot physically use it either,since it's property of velen
hollow dock
because if we would, it'd win the war almost instantly.
strange falcon
and he's chilling
ruby prawn
The horde must be retarded not to win the war now
hollow dock
actually its the property of the army of light
and since they joined the alliance, well.
Its anduins property.
strong python
you wouldn't win the war, you would destroy Azeroth
strong python
I meant the alliance
ruby prawn
I know
strange falcon
the ship itself,is a part of the exodar,so making it all yellow and stuff,it would change the property of it
strong python
with the vindicaar
hollow dock
"Currently, the Vindicaar has come under the control of the Army of the Light, who use the vessel as their primary base after the Xenedar's destruction, and who have since joined the Alliance. "
strange falcon
just because the army of the light lives tehre
ruby prawn
The vindicaar won't be used, but it would be awesome if they did
strange falcon
the army of the light is mostly draeneis,and the head of the draeneis is velen
hollow dock
"In the wake of the successful campaign on Argus, the Vindicaar was handed over to the Army of the Light to act as its new base of operations. Though their quest to defeat the Legion was now over, the lightforged draenei of the ship continued to train new recruits and induct them into the army. Shortly before the commencement of the battle for Azeroth between the Alliance and Horde, High Exarch Turalyon met with King Anduin Wrynn and the other Alliance leaders in the Stormwind City Embassy. "
strange falcon
so if they were to WANT to use it
they would have to ask him
and he would be like "fuck no"
hollow dock
"Eager to once more aid his people, Turalyon pledged the loyalty of the Army of the Light, and by extension the Vindicaar, to the Alliance cause. The lightforged draenei too desired to join their cousins from Azeroth, and entered the Alliance as one of its newest allies. Grand Artificer Romuul appeared to have remained on the vessel following the events on Argus, continuing to oversee its maintenance and upkeep.[10]"
Army of the Lights leader isnt Velen. Its turalyon
strange falcon
i didnt say the leader of the army of the light
learn to read
i said the leader of the draenei
hollow dock
Which isnt the army of thelight
ruby prawn
Turalyon is a commander
hollow dock
Turalyon is High Exarch
ruby prawn
Not a leader I think
strange falcon
besides,even if turalyon gave the order to fire it,he would have to ask anduin,which would consult his council of advisors
ruby prawn
I think he will seek Velen for advice
strange falcon
and velen would be greatly oppose to it
hollow dock
Because theyre not savage barbarians
solid sparrow
Can't wait to use that ship to nuke Orgrimmar from orbit. 🤔
hollow dock
We just said they wouldn't do that Vort.
solid sparrow
Well, they wouldn't, but I am just hoping, that's all.
ruby prawn
The darkspear are already extinct almost and the Tauren would join the alliance in the events of Orgrimmar falling
solid sparrow
You know, just returning the favour after Theramore.
ruby prawn
Theramore meant nothing
strange falcon
you're still salty about theramore after all these years
hollow dock
Theramore meant everything.
strange falcon
man these alliance scrubs really dont know how to keep a grudge
hollow dock
It shows the horde has no want for peace.
ruby prawn
NO
hollow dock
You're savage barbarians. Probably to stupid to be insulted.
ruby prawn
Garrosh didn't want peace
hollow dock
Indeed and he represented the horde.
strong python
it's almost the same as claiming that German people is Nazi
ruby prawn
Every horde leader and almost all races were against him
strong python
because of Hitler
hollow dock
Yet they sat by and let Theramore and all its innocents be wiped out.
And later used as target practice.
ruby prawn
They didn't know it would happen
Baine even warned Jaina about a war
They didn't know about the bomb
hollow dock
Which is exactly what Garrosh expected. He's a fantastic general. A brilliant plan to draw in as much alliance as he can and wipe em all out.
ruby prawn
Well, nobody could know that
hollow dock
If they'd stop and do some research, perhaps they'd have uncovered something.
ruby prawn
Only Garrosh and his puppet whose name I forgot
hollow dock
They trusted Garrosh to be honest in his invasion and alliance innocents were slaughtered because of it. To me, theyre just as guilty for the events around Theramore.
hollow dock
They knew he was up to something. As the book describes them running into Dark Shaman.
Horde, Dark Shaman
ruby prawn
That's why Baine warned Jaina
hollow dock
And yet they didn't look into their own activities to see if theres something worse.
ruby prawn
Garrosh killed horde generals, expelled the Tauren and Trolls from Orgrimmar, put the troll isles under watch
hollow dock
Yup. All post theramore.
ruby prawn
How could they check and see " oh maybe Garrosh has a fucking mana bomb let's go check"
Kalec couldn't find the bomb
solid sparrow
Horde isn't exactly the most communicative regarding what the left hand does and while Garrosh was holding the wheel, things didn't really get any better.
ruby prawn
There was no conceivable way for Vol'jin or Baine to know what Garrosh was up to
hollow dock
they could have investigated. But they chose not to.
ruby prawn
They probably just thought they would use the dark shamans again
How could they investigate I ask you?
Kalec couldn't find the bomb in time
How could they?
hollow dock
Remember those 3 agents the leaders had?
turn them on the inside rather than trying to subvert the invasion.
ruby prawn
Which agents?
hollow dock
They'd have died no matter what, at least they would have died for something.
The forsaken, tauren and I think troll agent in the Tides of War book.
They were killed by a cryo-grenade after the invasion was over in the Crossroads
hollow dock
it might have been a blood elf.
hollow dock
No matter what they'd have died, at least if they uncovered the theramore bombing plans they'd have died for something.
solid sparrow
Good point.
ruby prawn
How could they uncover those I ask again?
hollow dock
By going turncoat. Infiltrating the horde, killing those that were watching them. Relaying it to Vol'jin or Baine and hope it was fast enough.
ruby prawn
I don't think anyone else other than Garrosh and his pet and the air crew knew about it
hollow dock
The airship had to be settled somewhere closeby. It also ahd to have a team transporting the relic (Which was stolen not a few weeks prior) techs were needed to create the bomb, mages to infuse it properly.
ruby prawn
The airship wasn't stationed. It was moving constantly
That's why Kalec couldn't find it
And those mages were what I meant by crew
hollow dock
Kalec never knew the eye was tied to a bomb. just that it was constantly moving.
hollow dock
It'd settle somewhere,he'd go to investigate, and it'd move.
They know how to trick a blue dragon.
Fuel, food, water, supplies, all of that is needed and opening a portal on a moving ship is highly ill-advised.
ruby prawn
They know how to trick an aspect, yet couldn't trick a belf and an undead
hollow dock
Him being hte aspect is irrelevant at this point in the timeline.
Even he admits it's just a hollow title at that point.
ruby prawn
Also, those 3 weren't Baines and Vol'jins agents
They were sent by Theron an Sylvanas
hollow dock
they were sent to serve in their stead. Vol'jin and Baine can still have ordered them like they did to get them killed.
ruby prawn
If Garrosh saw them missing it would raise a huge flag
hollow dock
Which is the turncoat mission I presented earlier.
It'd make their deaths mean something rather than just die to be a point.
ruby prawn
And also, they couldn't know when the attack was going to start
hollow dock
they knew when the army was marching. They knew when they were bringing up armrs.
hollow dock
Yes they did. They were kinda there for the marching into Dustwallow so they could invade Theramore
ruby prawn
They stayed in that alliance Outpost and everyone was thinking why they are not attacking or why are they staying there
hollow dock
They also thought that when they just camped outside of theramore which gave baine his chance to warn Jaina.
ruby prawn
But this debate is going nowhere . Neither of us is going to admit the other person is right anyway
xd
hollow dock
Indeed. The hordes inaction is just as much the cause of theramore as their actions.
ruby prawn
What about Zul?
I didn't understand
If he is an enemy, why was he going to Orgrimmar?
hollow dock
the horde broke him free.
I can only imagine Sylvanas thinks he doesn't want to destroy the world anymore and wants to join the oens who free him
ruby prawn
But he was sailing to Orgrimmar, right?
uncut vault
We don't quite know the details of Talanji and Zul
ruby prawn
I know you are hiding them from me
dense plover
We were taking them back to ogrimmar
They were sailing to zandalar and were captured
They said no
And said come with us to zandalar
And we were like - okay, we were going to do that next anyway
And they got to choose because it was their boat
polar mango
Afternoon, any new info from today?
hollow dock
Eh just a slight tweak
zinc sandal
For me it went from ~10k to ~30k+
dense plover
i told people the higher level thing was a bug
it wasnt a thing pre-7.3.5
and everyone is like "it is"
fucking told them
also, buff to dungeon xp means running them while leveling is worth it
and it might even be possible to go back to only running dungeons if you want to
yeah
they specifically mention people who use it as an alternative to questing
hollow dock
I intend to quest on my Lightforged for the hilarious mix ups of dialogue and then just dungeon spam on my velf. When my computer comes back from the shop.
zinc sandal
Same
hollow dock
If only I had the CM mage set for my velf.
I made a great set and I can never make it. It makes me sad. Rolling up in BFA looking like a shadow battle-mage.
dense plover
bat loa VO
theres also lowborn/blood troll VO
and faceless VO
but faceless VO is nonsense
hollow dock
I'd be disappointed if it wasn't nonsense
dense plover
obviously
strong python
nice!
hollow dock
oh
dense plover
8 yds
hollow dock
So like the old demonfury?
hollow dock
Shadowfury thats what it is
strong python
oh shit
hollow dock
Mhmm. Gonna have to be slightly morespecific?
strong python
the one from DHs?
hollow dock
DH Veng meta?
strong python
doesn't make sense but I can't think about any other demon with big back spikes LOL
hollow dock
there were a lot of demons on argus with black spikes
hollow dock
OH the mutated eredar
dense plover
sure
i figured they were actually the race of those people that the tank DH blade comes from
idk
hollow dock
Well. Sorta but not really.
strong python
OOOH
zinc sandal
Nah, that's just a really mutated Eredar
jade basalt
tropic trail
They just jacked eredar
hollow dock
We know theyre made. Theres a world quest were we go to stop them from making 2 dangerous ones
tulip sun
What do you mean get a grey one
dense plover
but it could be a similar ritual
a grey one of those mobs is what demon commander summons
the new warlock ability
zinc sandal
Do you have an image of it? @dense plover
dense plover
no
i have an image of the red one
its literally the same
but grey instead of red
i have a video
but its not very good
zinc sandal
Well, not all Eredar are red
zinc sandal
Don't think it matters, tbh
dense plover
probably not
jade basalt
Erodus is gray too, they aren't rare https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Yq14T_Ztfb8/Wh7Gnw8DUAI/AAAAAAAAED4/4Cp6vFomcnYj1S3jFiKo7VNDih5yb1dVQCLcBGAs/s1600/WoW-Antorus-General-Erodus.JPG
dense plover
yeah that color
zinc sandal
hollow dock
that walkthroughs not complete as BFA hasn't released :v
rich apex
As if that stops anyone from making immeadiate judgements
hollow dock
fookin clickbait
zinc sandal
I think what he means is that he’s going to explain all the current changes to the Demolock, Vris
But anyway
It looks broken af xD
quartz gull
okay well good thing i was thinking of making a warlock that looks sick
dense plover
its not clickbait
it is true
there is a huge rework in BfA
clickbait would be something like "Demonology warlock best class in BfA"
yeah its not balanced at all
numbers are trash
mechanics and function are priority right now
zinc sandal
He’s not saying Demolock is complete
He’s walking you through all the changes so far
That’s what that means
ruby prawn
Vris MUST contradict everyone
And not only Vris. I guess everyone wants to contradict someone actually
meager warren
split valley
mmm Alpaha tester here. Can we use this channel to organise groups ? LFG on Alpha doesn't seem to be as effective as just doing a LFM in the chat channels
meager warren
you can do that in the Looking for Group categories
ruby prawn
Groups for what? @split valley
ruby prawn
Do you think Tyrathan Khort will make an appearance in bfa?
I expected him to come at the last minute and kill Sargeras single handedly
dense plover
There is so much wrong with that sentence
Firstly, who the hell is that?
Secondly, sargeras is done, he is not a plot point in BfA
Oh
He’s the human at voljins funeral
Why do you picture him to be so strong? He definitely isn’t
rich apex
rip
ruby prawn
I kinda want him to appear in BfA
Maybe he'll talk to Vol'jins spirit
But the Sargeras plot was truly a joke xD
rich apex
He'll be back in another five years
Hopefully then we get to kill Illidan for real as the second tier raid
(after Sargeras has corrupted him)
(as if he wasn't already an insane half demon monster)
balmy heart
And I'm sure Azeroth's champions will find some way to shoo off Sargeras when he tries to hump the planet again
(At least now we see where Archidmond's tree-humping fetish came from.)
rich apex
We'll need to gather up the most powerful weapons of Azeroth
beat
'shit where did i put ashbringer'
'why do i have so much crap in my bank'
balmy heart
I ask myself that every day.
rich apex
I still don't get why our uber-weapons, which have been sucking up every stray source of magical power, weren't enough to kill Sargeras
If not for the fact they're afraid to kill him
It's not like he's only been the biggest of the bad of a 20+ year plot
ruby prawn
How could they?
Sargeras is a huge guy. The ashbringer would just touch him
He would kill us with his sword immediately
Our weapons would mean nothing against him
Only Tyrathan Khort can kill Sargeras
:P
uncut vault
you underestimate the power of excaliberto
sargeras is kind of a dragon with those wings
ruby prawn
How do you get it
uncut vault
He's a paladin follower, we help him reclaim such an immensely powerful weapon
hollow dock
You say that exo but a normal wooden axe with a dragons blessing has wounded sargeras. R.I.P. brox
ruby prawn
The axe thura wielded in the stormrage novel?
hollow dock
Yea.
ruby prawn
How did it even touch him?
hollow dock
Knaacks shitty writing and dragon magic.
ruby prawn
Brox just charged in?
ruby prawn
Wow
dusky ginkgo
Knaack.
hollow dock
I dont remember much. All I know is his axe got the blessing of something and there was a dragon present.
ruby prawn
I remember from the stormrage novel that it was mentioned the axe was blessed by Cenarius. I dunno about the dragons from that war
I didn't read those novels
ruby prawn
WoE stands for?
hollow dock
Well of Eternity
hollow dock
Stormrage is about Xavius and Malfurion isnt it? Why is the info of Brox, Krasus and who else. Rhonin? in there?
ruby prawn
When Malfurion was a twisted tree and gave thura nightmares and made her go find him in order to destroy the tree
Rhonin wasn't in there
hollow dock
https://wow.gamepedia.com/War_of_the_Ancients_Trilogy Im not crazy he is there
ruby prawn
It was only mentioned that Thura wielded Broxs axe which was blessed by Cenarius
Not this book
Illidan didn't make it in this one that I am talking about
ruby prawn
http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Stormrage
Stormrage | WoWWiki | FANDOM powered by Wikia
dusky ginkgo
I still can't believe he used "orb" for eyes
ruby prawn
?
hollow dock
ah ok yea it was the axe of cenarius
ruby prawn
What do you mean by that @dusky ginkgo?
hollow dock
The night elves raised up a statue to him, making him the only orc to have ever been given homage by them. Tyrande and Malfurion honored him after the war and even after all these millenia, the mere mention of Brox's name is enough to remind Tyrande of how they lost him, causing tears to well up in her eyes.[7]
This details been lost for all of time
ruby prawn
@merry briar what spoiler?
hollow dock
the joke is that we're not talking about BFA 100% of the time 24/7
dusky ginkgo
@ruby prawn Knaack, in his writing, use sometimes "orb" instead of "eye"
merry briar
i am not mad, just dissapointed
hollow dock
despite the fact that there's hardly anything to actually talk about
ruby prawn
We do talk about bfa
merry briar
i know what we can talk about
ruby prawn
About the lore usually
hollow dock
We talk as about it and cease the conversation about it as soon as the new info comes out
ruby prawn
WE MUST TALK ABOUT TYRATHAN KHORT AND HIS FUTURE STORY IN BFA
merry briar
yes
hollow dock
He has none
merry briar
also
when is tpaartos vs zappyboi battle coming
cinematic like the bfa opening cinematic
ruby prawn
Who is zappyboi
merry briar
no
zappyboi is zappyboi
let me send you a picture cause i cant send one on this channel
ruby prawn
Never heard of him...?
I give you permission to send me a picture
I didn't get any pics
hollow dock
Zappyboi is the meme name given to the troll tha tuses lightning.
in the bfa cinematic
ruby prawn
Yeah, I got a pic of him
merry briar
i educated him
hollow dock
if you play wow then its already happened
merry briar
that was one crazy night
hollow dock
as everyones gay in WoW no exceptions
merry briar
oh ok
merry briar
yeah same
hollow dock
Anduin? gei. Malfurion? Closested bear. Tyrande? hella gey.
ruby prawn
The manliest
hollow dock
why do you think thrall wanted so much alone time with Garrosh and Grom? ;)
hollow dock
new representitive of the darkspear is Vol'jins right handman
ruby prawn
Or maybe in bfa Vol'jins spirit will tell us the loa informed him that Baine must lead the trolls
Who is Vol'jins right hand man?
hollow dock
Rohkan
ruby prawn
Zuni? ;(
hollow dock
from Wc3
hollow dock
ruby prawn
Vris, you are a girl. You play a priest, so why don't you revive him?
Because you are selfish
You selfish bastard
dusky ginkgo
I.. missed a logical link here
dusky ginkgo
Yeah
hollow dock
Sexist. D=<
dusky ginkgo
I still don't see the logical link between "girl" and "priest" too
hollow dock
Ur not even a real gammer boi I bet
The link is the old stereotype that girls wanting to play video games do so to help and thus choose healers and priest is the quintissential healer.
ruby prawn
Yeah, because you are a man
dusky ginkgo
Am I now?
hollow dock
I dont think any of us have gendered ourselves.
ruby prawn
Yet
hollow dock
I consider myself the AI for an apache attack helicopter personally.
ruby prawn
Nah, the Apache helicopter is too old
dusky ginkgo
Welp, I guess I'm a man now since I like tanks and dps.
dusky ginkgo
<shrug>
hollow dock
hows it feel to suddenly be a man? shoves mic into Inays face
ruby prawn
Why don't you voice chat?
hollow dock
I never have a reasonto
dusky ginkgo
<push back the mic a bit to not bite it> Well, right now, it doesn't change much? You know, I'm still in my pyjama, taking by breakfeast and chatting about videogames
My accent is too thick and english-speakers don't understand me
ruby prawn
They do
hollow dock
I only hop into vchat with friends, my guild, or pug raids that demand it
ruby prawn
Well, I demand it as well
hollow dock
you're not a pug raid
dusky ginkgo
Why?
ruby prawn
Because it's easier for me to talk, rather than text
Ah, it doesn't matter
Let's talk about Tyrathan Khort
hollow dock
overrated character thats literally just a friend of Vol'jin
hollow dock
yea. and the specific demon that killed Vol'jin is most likely dead
ruby prawn
Probably he knows Vol'jin is still alive as a spirit
hollow dock
Im doubtful of that
ruby prawn
So maybe someone will kill Vol'jins soirit
dusky ginkgo
I don't remember, do the Zandalari priestress who speaks with Vol'jin in that novel is still alive?
ruby prawn
Probably he knows about afterlife. Not the loa, for sure
I like the fact that they remember him, but they forgot about him after that
Or just didn't want to add him anymore...
hollow dock
or he just doesnt do anythingand it was aneaster egg
proud karma
tyrathan is cool
he surely knows, why wouldnt he?
what do you think they talked about all that time ;000
hollow dock
Probably not religious views.
uncut vault
thats kinda a lot of what they talked about lmao
they were recovering at a monastery
hollow dock
they bonded as hunters as I remember. :v
ruby prawn
You remember wrong
wild pewter
I'd love to see more of Tyrathan tbh
mint arch
im void gendered~
hollow dock
I am AI gendered.
hollow dock
and that part is illegal
hollow dock
Illidan coming back
zinc sandal
inserts Abathur meme
mint arch
W E E B I S M
zinc sandal
true matrix
morning assholes, what's the haps?
zinc sandal
Old Gods
hollow dock
More discount mat patt
zinc sandal
??
dense plover
Yeah that video is as accurate as we are
Speculation based on what little we know
Probably not an actual old god
Just saying
zinc sandal
Placeholder says it is revealed to be an old god
dense plover
We discussed it yesterday and came to the conclusion that ghuun is an old god thing, but not an actual old god - especially because ghuun was made by the titans
Ghuun was made to cleanse the old god corruption
It didn’t work
He was locked up
dense plover
He isn’t an old god. They have no reason to retcon a detailed point in chronicle
If anything the reason he is being called that is because the npcs who say it believe it to be true
zinc sandal
Is G'Huun mentioned in Chronicles 3?
dense plover
It’s not out yet but probably not
I’m talking about the fact that they went out of their way to say there were only 4 old gods
And they gave a very detailed map
dense plover
Not really. No way are they going to retcon chronicles
And pretty sure the keeper says something along the lines of old god corruption detected
It is old god corruption for sure
But not an old god in it of itself
Also, the keeper is half broken
And this is alpga
Writing is unfinished
zinc sandal
As I said, we'll have to see.
dense plover
If they retcon chronicles I will be extremely disappointed
zinc sandal
Although it feels sloppy that the Titans attempted to create this thing to fight Old Gods, failed, and had to lock it up, yet it's never mentioned EVER.
Until now.
dense plover
I mean
Not mentioning something is less sloppy than changing something you already said
zinc sandal
True
true matrix
there are four old gods. ghuun isn't an old god, xalatath isn't an old god, your mother isn't an old god,
dense plover
That’s how you have new things while keeping lore consistent
true matrix
expansion of lore is a hell of a lot better than retconning
steel venture
I'm calling it now:
G'huun is an "artifcial" old god. Likely created to study the Old Gods and their weaknesses. The fact that it is a giant behemoth that uses blood tips it off to me IMO.
What other kind of tool did the Titans and their titanforged use to create living organisms? Oh, right. Anima.
true matrix
see that's interesting
steel venture
Anima is extremely similar to Blood.
true matrix
I like that idea because it expands on lore while not stepping on the toes of canon
steel venture
It likely backfired, and the addition of shadow magic created G'huun to be unstable and y'know. Have to be locked up because its like "Oh. Shit, this thing is SMALL but we kind of made it too much like an actual old god."
They say G'huun was experimented on too, so I wouldn't be surprised if he started out as a construct.
ruby prawn
Wait, Illidan is coming back @hollow dock ?
zinc sandal
Joke
true matrix
I certainly don't
ruby prawn
He is muscular and cute :3
zinc sandal
You have a weird definition of cute
true matrix
he's like an unholy amalgamation of the "nice guy" and "meathead" stereotypes
literally the only relatable thing about him was the rejection of the gift cinematic
ruby prawn
He is badass and awesome
true matrix
if I had to pick one (1) male character to like in the entire warcraft canon... let's just say I'd have trouble choosing for lack of good options
ruby prawn
He will come back at the end of bfa, mark my worfs
true matrix
god no
ruby prawn
Pick one
true matrix
because I don't think I'd want to date any of them
zinc sandal
Pretty sure they're asking favorites, not who you'd date lol
ruby prawn
The dating thing could go as well
true matrix
oh, if we're just talking favourites, that one's easy. probably lor'themar
ruby prawn
Both questions are available
Why Theron?
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20758757297
Illidan is cute? - World of Warcraft Forums - Battle.net
true matrix
he's a responsible leader, he's skilled at multiple forms of combat, he's tenacious, he cares deeply for the wellbeing of his people, he's voiced by gideon emery
he's just all in all a well-rounded, likeable character
tiny trail
I love Lor'themar, but I think I fall for my headcanon more than he as a base character. It kind of irritates me how quick he is to exile his own people when canonly speaking...there's really not many of them left to begin with. I do adore him however, and you can never go wrong with Gideon Emery
true matrix
yeah that part was questionable to me
ruby prawn
"His teeth are enough to turn me off" - the answer to the forum question
true matrix
I loved his parts in MoP though
ruby prawn
@tiny trail that was just bad story writing
Just as the void elves joining the alliance is bad story writing
zinc sandal
I feel like Lor'themar is easily manipulated, idk
ruby prawn
He isn't. He turned his back on Anduin
true matrix
he does what he believes is best for his people in the long term
tiny trail
I'm terrible, I have so many void elves, but it's literally because I love Horde, but I want to experience Alliance story too. Now I can belf away from home so to speak lol. From a story standpoint though, it is fairly silly.
ruby prawn
It's extremely silly
Blizzard killed Vol'jin on the broken shore just for equality between the factions and now this... This is not equal at all
ruby prawn
I am talking about the broken shore...? Legion...?
zinc sandal
I know, but I'm saying. They wanted to kill Vol'jin because Varian was getting killed but killed nobody when Garrosh died.
ruby prawn
Yeh
strange falcon
greymane is garrosh 2.0 i'm calling it
tiny trail
^
zinc sandal
Considering it was the Alliance players who wanted them to kill Vol'jin... Yes.
true matrix
ruby prawn
"Horde lost a thousand leaders, the alliance shouldn't suffer as well."
"Oh, an alliance leader died, the horde mustn't go unscratched"
Why would alliance players want Vol'jin dead
tiny trail
They ridiculously favor Alliance, in so many ways. I realized it when I switched over recently from Horde to start playing regularly. Everything is so much damned easier even game-wise on Alliance. I feel lazy.
zinc sandal
Except PvP
ruby prawn
Ever since the beginning, starting with the Barrens
zinc sandal
Alliance never wins in PvP
ruby prawn
Because they are bad plauers
tiny trail
I've struggled more with Horde pvp than I ever did Alliance. But I am also a very, very bad pvp'er. I won't even lie about that.
ruby prawn
You should try the warrior
That's the easiest class to pvp
And it's fun and balanced when you win
tiny trail
I'll give it a try. I've got everything leveled, I just usually end up maining mage/pally.
strange falcon
are you saying alliance has it easier
because they have portals
to literally everywhere
that's what i call lazy
ruby prawn
The leveling is usually easier
Westfall compared to the Barrens is a huge difference difficulty wise
zinc sandal
You don't need to go to either of those
You have Azshara right there
Same exact level bracket
ruby prawn
taps temple
hollow dock
@tiny trail He exiled the velves out of fear of their sunwell being destroyed or corrupted again. Remember: VOID AND LIGHT DONT MIX. If they turned back to fel Im sire he wouldnt exile them, but the needs of the many outweight the few.
tiny trail
He also exiled the High Elves for their refusal to feed on fel in the first place. Though, I'm not so sure the belves are feeding on fel anymore to begin with, the whole thing with the Sunwell being holy (or was it holy-arcane now) was that the need for fel ended up going by the wayside for it.
That being said, he could have simply barred them from the Sunwell. Alleria didn't have a issue til she was right up on it. Again, likely just bad writing.
terse patrol
ya and now the alliance gets hot emo tentacle chicks
@tiny trail The fel crystals were removed from Silvermoon right after BC.
Quel’thalas*
tiny trail
Exactly, so there'd be no reason for the void elves to need to return to fel, cause they should have been off it by then lol
terse patrol
As well as the statues of Kael’thas
Still waiting for Blizzard to redo Silvermoon.
tiny trail
^^^ that's what has me stoked about BFA, cause if they don't, then wtf. They've basically stated it as being the last Horde foothold in the Eastern Kingdoms, so I mean...there's literally no reason for it not to have an overhaul (and plz flying my god)
rich apex
Didn't they say they're not doing an overhaul
hollow dock
The idea is this: Allerias not a true void elf. So her being there wasnt a detrement just yet. Theron exiled the high elves because they wanted alliance help, the alliance that attacked Kael. The high elves were a threat to them at the time. Just like the void elves.
With her attracting the nether prince, and with Rommanth having tried to stop the void experiments in the past for this very issue, theyre banned.
Despite their factions, the belves and helves habe access to the now holy sunwell.
With the void elves acting like beacons, silvermoon, and by that extent the well, were going to be under attack. Its a tough choice but a necessary one.
rich apex
Umbric did kind of prove Rommath entirely right
When he stuck his dick in the void and summoned something he couldn't control
hollow dock
He did.
I'm not hating on their decision. just elaborating. They were completely right to remove a very dangerous threat to their people.
tiny trail
What is the point of them stating that smc is a last vestige if they're not going to do anything to it? That's kind of moot entirely, and I dunno, maybe the belf lover in me is entirely salty about them practically refusing to do anything to update it when stormwind and orgrimmar get updates pretty much constantly.
hollow dock
You do have to remember that technology wise, its nearly impossible for them to actually update it properly.
As Silvermoon and Exodar both are near each other on the physical map that Outlands on. Its why you gotta go through the loading screen to see em.
With them not actually being apart of the world, it takes a lot more work to update them than is worth it. Unlike stormwind and orgrimmar which are on the EK and Kal maps respectively.
rich apex
They're not going to completely redo something just for the sake of continuity
hollow dock
^
rich apex
After all, the large majority of the old world is still gonna be stuck in Cata time
Sentinel Hill will still be on fire as it has been for the last 8 years
tiny trail
Then they should exclude it from their storylines. Or make some reason for it not to be included.
rich apex
WoW's always had goofy ass restrctions to the story thanks to game systems
tiny trail
Don't state that it's an important thing, if you don't want to put the work in to do anything with it.
hollow dock
Theyre the 'last bastions' of teh respective factions on both islands.
Its not an important thing 0=
rich apex
It's why the big damn faction war is going to conviently be interrupted before anything really major can happen after the first act drama
hollow dock
Neither Silvermoon nor Exodar have been labeled 'important' for a while. A very long while.
terse patrol
Tbh
rich apex
And the Horde will never recieve any satisfactory justice (from an Alliance POV anyways)
hollow dock
Just like Pandaria
terse patrol
Would be cool if they were updated since they’re not important bases in Kalimdor and the EK.
Make Bloodmyst and the Ghostlands a warzone
rich apex
There's a million things that would be cool to do
hollow dock
Oh it definately would
But tech, money, effort and time
Doing those cool things dont fit.
rich apex
But Blizz ain't actually got an infinite amount of money to hire more devs to do them all
(even if it sure seems like they do)
hollow dock
Taking a snapshot and updating that for the timebeing in a secluded scenario, OK they'll do.
rich apex
Lord knows it would be nice if Azuremyst got updated from being stuck in the literal first five minutes of TBC
terse patrol
lmao
hollow dock
Like they did with Quel'danas during the sword thign in WotLK
tiny trail
A last bastion is important. It's not going to stand if you're not actively trying to hold it...And Silvermoon is easy to freakin wipe off a map if nothing's been ic rebuilt or is still in process of being rebuilt. They just should have never mentioned it, period. Could have just said "yo, yeah, we're not messing with this trash, sorry for the lack of continuation."
hollow dock
Carbot made a hilarious animation about tha t
rich apex
A last bastion stops being important when the war shifts over to KT/Zandalar
hollow dock
^
rich apex
And then Nazjatar or whatever the naga zone will be
hollow dock
Which is almostimmediately after we've spread over both continents
We're still busy with small incursion groups all over th place to actually lay siege to 2 well defended areas on Azeroth
rich apex
There aren't going to be any more major old world things happening, unless you count warfronts
hollow dock
The blood elves have the natural deterent of remnant scourge forces in Ghostlands while the Exodar is on an island
to many resources to expand when theres a war going on elsewhere
hollow dock
Honk we're not disagreeing
rich apex
It's a bummer, but Blizz is making the rather reasonable decision to make new zones instead of putting extensive work to rehash old ones
hollow dock
just to much time and effort to update it
Rehash old ones that aren't relevant to the expac* hyper
rich apex
That too
If they have to choose between new content and old content, it's gonna be new content
hollow dock
Because they know the majority wants new content.
They had hell over using the vanilla world as 'filler' in cata.
and ofc, removing all the vanilla stuff with that cata update
rich apex
To be fair, the vanilla world -desparately- needed an overhaul
But the rest of the world doesn't
hollow dock
it did.
I rather welcomed the change back then.
Until they nerfed all the fun challenging content by 20%
rich apex
Even Jeff admitted his STV quests were boring and should have been replaced
hollow dock
He dissed his own writing
rich apex
80% of the vanilla quests weren't exactly inspired
hollow dock
or connected. or really doing much. tbh most of vanilla was garbage :v
rich apex
Exactly
polar mango
I expect new landmass for leveling but a ton of new content to be in phased parts of Azeroth as the battle goes on.
They are going to be doing that 'patchwork trickle' of questlines through the entire expansion like they did with Legion.
Just from a development perspective and the direction they have been focusing on.
zinc sandal
Invasions during prepatch were fun. Maybe they could do something similar and call it "Skirmishes" or something.
hollow dock
I thought that's what the Stromgarde stuff was going to be
zinc sandal
IDK
dense plover
stromgarde is like a dungeon
sort of
19 people and you from one faction, versus AI, lasts about 30 minutes
mix of fighting ai, collecting resources, building structures, and spawning units
zinc sandal
Starcraft feels
zinc sandal
Yeh
I wonder if it'll work like when you recruit people from NPCs at your Order Hall
But faster paced, obviously
polar mango
I'm expecting missions to be "This stuff is happening" and we go out there and meet NPCS to do the stuff.
Instead of traditional table missions we have now.
dense plover
i think it will look more like the quest choosing board
polar mango
Yeah, that could be it.
dense plover
no no
we arent talking about mission tables
we are talking about warfronts
they only last 30 minutes
polar mango
Oh.
zinc sandal
So you drop consumables that spawn units?
dense plover
no
you get a currency
its very rare
it spawns a rare unit
which i think you get to choose
like from 3, which is why i suggested the quest board
polar mango
Hey...
How will class hall teleportation work in BfA?
For Druid, does Dreamwalk still take us to Dreamway or are we hooked to Moonglade again?
rich apex
I don't see why it wouldn't take you to the same place it does now
rich apex
Teleporting to a past expansion continent isn't going to be worth much
polar mango
Given that they said BfA will be taking place all over Azeroth I think it kinda seems like easy travel, but no worries.
uncut vault
I wonder if mages will get a portal to the other continent, or just their capitol city
zinc sandal
To Zandalar/Kul'Tiras? Very likely.
dense plover
The entire purpose is easy travel
And even if they set it back to moonglade, as a Druid, you can just walk through the portal in moonglade and get back to the dreamway. I expect it to stay as a result of that
zinc sandal
Yeah
polar mango
Oh yeah there is a portal there. Durp.
They still need to fix mage portals so I can make money.
People can't give me gold from other servers.
Thanksgiving event was always the big money maker and now it's shot.
meager warren
They should also make it easier for other players who aren't mages to get around.
So then they're not scammed.
But, I mean, if you're too lazy to take a 2-5 min trip to wherever, go ahead. That gold takes more than 5 minutes (usually) to get
polar mango
There are portals everywhere.
It's hella easy to get around, but for Thanksgiving events and such it's much better to have a pocket mage.
Lot's of back and forth.
Dal has portals to every major city + all the ones down under which lead all over the old world.
meager warren
having a mage that you don't have to pay would be understandable.
Paying a mage for something easy? Nty
polar mango
So don't pay.
meager warren
i don't
polar mango
Thanksgiving is money making time.
uncut vault
At this point mages are a minor convenience, with the number of portals in dalaran
polar mango
I made a killing off porting Void Elfs around.
meager warren
I hope they increase max Flight Mount speed at some point tbh
polar mango
They won't.
uncut vault
That reminds me, I wonder if theyre just gonna do what they did last two xpacs and do a portal to the new city in org/SW, or go the cool route and add a ship to the capitols for transport
meager warren
how do you know that
polar mango
Because it's a limit of technology. Flying too fast breaks the game.
Loading in zones, etc.
meager warren
new technology gets better every year
polar mango
Not happening.
meager warren
if they know how to use the new technology, they can do it
uncut vault
Theres also no real need because travel isnt exactly slow once you get flying
polar mango
That's a total engine re-write.
So maybe in 10 years.
But they won't ever do a total engine rewrite, they have no need to.
Game doesn't need it.
meager warren
game also doesn't technically need flying but we still got that, didn't we?
polar mango
That's a silly comparison.
meager warren
i'm not sure how
polar mango
The cata reforge nearly broke the WoW team.
meager warren
yet they accomplished it
meager warren
no but i know that when someone takes doesn't take the chance at a risk, true innovation doesn't happen
polar mango
With all the phasing tech locked in, it would be a nightmare to redo the entire engine.
WoW doesn't need to 'innovate' lol.
meager warren
it's because of risk that technology gets better every day and the fact that it exists in the first place.
It does though.
WoW innovates pretty well and it has every expac
polar mango
They aren't competing with anyone and they are well above acceptable activity. No one at Activision is signing off on the money to redo the engine for a reason like 'innovation.'
No they 'add features' that are small enhancements of previous features. The tech is very much just recycled over and over.
It's just easier to understand if you have the tech background.
meager warren
as i understand it, innovation is introducing something new, be it using old technology or new technology.
innovation doesn't always mean it's not inspired by something else or used with old technology imo
polar mango
The largest overhead of WoW is always the art, the programming teams are much smaller and they reuse everything they can. (Which is the smart way to gamedev)
You can split hairs if you want but they aren't doing it anytime soon.
Or ever.
My money is on ever.
tropic trail
are we talking about engine overhauls?
polar mango
More or less what would be required to increase loading distance + zone data.
For faster flight without breaking the game.
meager warren
innovations i can think of in WoW:
- Texture updates
- Model updates
- Raids
- Mythic dungeons and raids
- Transmog systems
- World Scaling (As of 7.3.5)
- Heirlooms
- Reputation and rewards from that
- Drops based on actual RNG and not luck
- Flying Mounts
- Neutral Faction Tagging of rares (As of 7.something)
- Summoning Stones
- World Quests (Adapted from FF; As of 7.something)
- Being able to lvl up without leaving Starter Area (For Pandaren; Doubleagent comes to mind; Relates somewhat to World Scaling but not completely as this was possible prior to World Scaling in 7.3.5)
- Quest Progressions shown on maps (As of 7.3.5)
- Rare drops being inaccessible to players who don't have access to certain zones or certain features (That area in Timeless Isles in Mists of Pandaria)
- XP Eliminators
*authenticators - increasing the default 16 slot bag to 20 with authenticators
dense plover
also, wow is definitely competiting with FFXIV
wow is just winning
ffxiv made the mistake of not learning from wow's early mistakes
meager warren
One thing i've learned from life, you can't guarantee anything.
Especially in games, at least where the public is concerned.
inner aurora
I'd love new crafting animations :\ Or some new emotes.
olive mirage
meager warren
The furries are gonna swarm Orgrimmar and Stormwind with /meow now.
I'm not complaining or anything
frigid umbra
What does actual rng and no luck mean? Isnt luck exactly what rng is, and no luck meaning bad luck protection is not rng cuz you can determine when things will drop?
And how is lvling in the starting area a +?
meager warren
no, luck is your own internal whatever helping you acquire something or attain something, whereas rng is numbers
how is leveling in the starting area... not an innovation?
frigid umbra
It was a "bug" cuz how herbing xp worked... it was not intended for that dude to lvl up to max from just herbing in panda starting zone
true matrix
doubleagent is Valid
meager warren
^
frigid umbra
But that does not make it an inovation
meager warren
it kinda does
true matrix
it's certainly an innovative way to get to max level