ill give you the time you need
#beta-ptr-spoilers
strong python
oh that changes things a bit @gilded drum
unless they had no clue Saurfang was there, it should've been a priority task
strong python
yea
meager warren
Wait, Genn and Jaina killed Zul? nooo
languid yoke
no they don't
dense plover
no they dont
meager warren
o
hollow dock
This is why I am waiting until its done to pass judgement on it.
balmy heart
There is no Jaina, only Zul
rich apex
meager warren
Zappyboi will NOT perish
zinc sandal
I wonder what will be of the Krokul on Argus. Did they stay there? If so, why didn't we bring them with us?
dense plover
because they probably want to finish off the legion that are there
and take back their planet
their bodies have adapted to that mess
they have no home on azeroth
theyve only ever known argus
rich apex
Because they were trapped in a fel corrupted hellscape for an eternity
And they only stayed behind to save the rest of the draenei
zinc sandal
^
hollow dock
They stayed and survived. They started fighting the Legion where they could. Whether by choice or not, they defended their home. I dont see why they'd suddenly just abandon it and make all of that pain and suffering meaningless.
rich apex
So I was in Darnassus for Valentines turn in and thought 'you know, they should update this city like they did Stormwind'
beat
feelsbadman.jpg
zinc sandal
Nope
strong python
Rip Darnassus
hollow dock
Were they not considered DOTS?!
zinc sandal
Yes but no
They're technically DoTs, but they're not the same as, say, Shadow Word: Pain or Agony
hollow dock
make it yourself
merry briar
you are a genius
rich apex
It's not -bad-
meager warren
well, it's +5%.
rich apex
More useful if you could socket more lowbie gear
Or heirlooms
Or if dungeon drops had guaranteed sockets
hollow dock
I say useless because the only socketed heirloom gear I know of is the Garrosh weapons
tropic trail
maybe sockets are planned to be added to heirlooms
hollow dock
that'd be nice.
languid yoke
I'm more amazed that it's really the expansion split
Legion getting a /100 progress bar, WoD getting one, Pandaria getting /75 progress bar etc...
at least, that's what it looks like on the screenshot together with the odd datamined profession updates
uncut vault
it makes sense, makes expansions easier
languid yoke
ya
uncut vault
I just wonder how theyll address people already at max
languid yoke
also forces you to go back to old expansions if you want to max those
uncut vault
if theyll just get the past xpacs at max
languid yoke
...oh god maxing classic and TBC
dense plover
holy shit
if they add sockets to heirlooms
that item would be a buy every single time you level an alt
its a permanent money making item
its fucking genius
they just need to add sockets to the neck or trinket or ring heirlooms
hollow dock
Why? its only 1 item an account.
polar mango
Just make the gem have a cooldown lol. Problem solved.
dense plover
no
hollow dock
Cuz you can still mail the looms themsel-ves.
regardless of what gems or chants you shove in them
polar mango
sighs
hollow dock
Yes you can. I mail my garrosh weapons all the time.
dense plover
hmmmm
they could make the gem expire
i mean, otherwise its only going to get bought for a short period of time
and then the market will be fully saturated
polar mango
I mean I am just being silly, but yeah it could. That said there are plenty of alts to use 'em. I don't think they will heirloom slot everything, perhaps we're getting a new heirloom.
hollow dock
It'll get oversaturated no matter what. :v
dense plover
there needs to be a way to make them get used up
polar mango
Feet or something.
hollow dock
People will be lazy and not want to keep track of their heirlooms
dense plover
what if they made it so that putting that specific gem made it character bound
hollow dock
I think that's a tad to far. but eh. it could work. Like socketing a BoE makes it soulbound
polar mango
It's most likely just for all the allied races everyone will be leveling. Some new heirloom with a slot we can earn for something. I don't see them adding slots to existing.
polar mango
With heirlooms it is what, 55%?
dense plover
i thought it was 50%
hollow dock
Sounds right.
polar mango
Unless it's still early and that gem = 5% rep.
hollow dock
And then when people hit 90 their garrosh weapons they get 2-3 extra sockets
dense plover
i think its going to stay as xp
polar mango
Probably but it's gonna stay unique.
dense plover
and what i hope happens is they add a socket to the neck heirlooms
polar mango
Are there any unique gems?
polar mango
Seems like an easy solution then.
dense plover
i mean
polar mango
Why would it need to be character bound?
polar mango
Once you socket isn't it already bound?
dense plover
so that you cant just put it in all of the heirlooms with sockets and just mail them around
hollow dock
then yea no other restrictions need to be appplied.
and not on heirlooms Formal
If its unique, its 1 on your character
and no more
polar mango
"This item cannot be mailed."
lol
I don't expect them to get too fancy with protecting the gem.
That being said, weird gem.
hollow dock
if its a unique gem, then its only 5% more xp. that's real small.
polar mango
I think XP w/ leveling is great right now, even without heirlooms so hopefully there is a rep one in there.
You're probably right on the necklace though.
The trinkets/rngs/neck don't have default bonus experience, right? Just stats or on use stuff.
Still want boots I can slot though. Diamond-style.
Then hit up the bar and do some high-steppin'
uncut vault
thats not how xp works, pretty sure
hollow dock
5% more on the 50% isn't much gain especially since the XP curve is going to suffer from newexpacitis
uncut vault
5% extra on level 1 is a lot different than 5% xp at level 109
hollow dock
which is where they increase the xp per level for the first like. year then shorten it back.
ofc.
this is assuming that the hierloom scaling to 120 is at launch
which I can almost garuntee it isnt
dense plover
i was saying it was5% additional
not 5% of 50%
and that is how xp works
if you get 50% more xp
you level 50% faster
hollow dock
I didn't say that either.
I said it was 5% with the added on 50%. it's not that much.
uncut vault
but it isnt 6 levels cause xp isnt even through all levels
polar mango
Yeah that's not how the math works.
And you don't level 50% faster, you just get 50% more experience. I know what you mean but this is a key difference.
Also, is exp multiplicative or additive?
The formula ultimately decides.
polar mango
So then it's additive.
dense plover
doesnt matter how long levels take
you still get 50% more of that
and that would be the case for every level
thats the purpose of heirlooms
dense plover
what?
polar mango
Additive to the stack, then multiplicative with additionals.
polar mango
Well math matters here, you can't just say "it's 50% faster" when it might not be just because the numbers say 50% more experience.
meager warren
@polar mango, this is the spoilers channel.
Nobody knows how to use words properly here.
polar mango
It's all good. đ
dense plover
what?
oh
you mean because i also get xp from killing stuff?
hey guys
crazy theory
what if the blood god is a mutated version of nzoths qiraji equivalent?
ive been questing in silithus for loremaster
and the dredge crushers look suspiciously similar
zinc sandal
The Blood God is supposed to be a creation of the Titans to fight the Old Gods that went wrong and had to be imprisoned
uncut vault
might just be unreliable narration, but blood trolls seem to think hes an old god of his own
zinc sandal
It makes sense that they do so. After all, it must be very powerful, considering what it was created for.
âHey guys, letâs create an Old God to fight Old Gods!â
it goes wrong
âBut why?!â
uncut vault
im making my own old god, with blackjack and hookers
zinc sandal
Lmao
rich apex
Ooh, hunter pet revamp
rich apex
I just got back into playing my hunter with the level scaling
And was slightly annoyed that only a super low amount of pets (outside of exotics) had unique abilities
true matrix
I hope we get some new fox models in bfa
rich apex
Vulpera hunter riding a fox mount with a fox pet and a fox minipet
dusky ginkgo
Petopia haven't seen new fox models yet.
But Alpaga
http://beta.wowdb.com/npcs/123310-frostsaber
"need uprez" Maybe, finally, the saber will have some love
http://beta.wowdb.com/npcs/130705-alpaca And the alpaca mob
true matrix
I can dream inay
dusky ginkgo
Yes dear
dense plover
?
it says temp model
omg
they are going back to families having certain specs
im not sure i like each family getting one
i was hoping for more specs
and then a family might have two to switch between
but either way i love it'
far more switching your pet based on the situation
also, are the unique abilities new?
tropic trail
hunter pet revamp? now if only we could get more demons for warlocks...
dense plover
that would be against the point of these changes
also, warlocks can summon almost all of the demons in the game
tropic trail
I think you're highly underestimating how many different demons there are in wow
not to mention all the recolors
uncut vault
they really should bring back the grimiore of supremacy demons as actual separate summons
jovial coral
I'm not much of a lore nut but I guess there's these void lords can't leave the void. What if the light secretly created the void specifically to trap beings that were previously of light
uncut vault
Well, everything was previously of light, all types of magic
so that wouldnt really work
jovial coral
Oh I thought the void could be something similar to the elemental plane
jovial coral
What if ethereals once played the role as valkyr and history is repeating itself
frigid umbra
Were they though?... they never( at least to my knowledge) specified that...
true matrix
meager warren
^
jovial coral
Arcane technology stuff saved them from destruction
dusky ginkgo
I still want Ethereal allied race
quasi oasis
jovial coral
If Ethereals survived void lords and now pure energy they're just too powerful to be balanced
What could a warrior do to them
There'd have to be like a way to return them to their old bodies or something
meager warren
considering their old bodies were basically disintegrated, that may be difficult
jovial coral
Perhaps the void lords, old gods whatever consumed it could give them back for some reason
uncut vault
I mean, they didnt survive the pure energy. They lost their bodies. But that balance really doesnt matter, since a gnome warrior can somehow beat a tauren warrior in combat
jovial coral
True. But it's hard to imagine blizzard implementing without a good reason/story
If they did get their physical forms back would they consist of several new races?
frigid umbra
If they got their physical forms back they would be less interesting... so no point in making them an allied race... maybe
hollow dock
despite them being pure energy our swords can still kill them :v
jade basalt
I can also bash ghosts in the face with a wooden stick
hollow dock
we can also bleed and poison them
why do people think immersion exists in this game?
strange falcon
well resistances got removed because they hindered gameplay lul
hollow dock
The fact you can bleed and poison a ghost has nothing to do with resistance.
strange falcon
i mean the nature resistance,shadow resistance etc
it was to have a semblance of immersion
hollow dock
There is no immersion in thsi game. :v never has.
steel venture
Giving physical bodies to Ethereals kinda is ... defeating their concept
So pls no.
strange falcon
but that happend in warcraft 3
dense plover
i mean
ethereals do have a physical body
thats the purpose of the cloth
they bind their energy to a physical form so they dont disappate
dense plover
no
their current form is the only option
if they give up the bandages, they cease to exist
their spirit is bound to the cloth that they are made of
zinc sandal
They lack a physical body, Peach. They're ethereal (duh), and the bandages keep all that energy together.
The only physical part about them is the cloth.
dense plover
yeah
but without that, they dont exist
they cant exist as pure energy
they dissapate
zinc sandal
Mhm. That is true.
I was just correcting what you said. "Ethereals do have a physical body."
zinc sandal
Oh okay
dense plover
its not their original physical form
zinc sandal
Then yes
zinc sandal
Well, the cloth is not their body. But I get what you mean.
dense plover
i mean
zinc sandal
Yes.
dense plover
yeah
zinc sandal
XD
jovial coral
They should consider switching to plate armor
zinc sandal
Semantics much.
dense plover
i dont think it would matter
the actual strength of their armor doesnt matter
and they usually wear armor over that cloth
b/c the cloth is more like a skin
jovial coral
Fair enough but if that's the case they should completely cover themselves
Or is the cloth like "actual" cloth or some other kind of magical stuff
zinc sandal
The cloth is enchanted to maintain their ethereal bodies together.
strange falcon
why use plate when you're literally made of nothing
zinc sandal
They can't just use any cloth.
strange falcon
also we've seen 3 different types of ethereals,the classic ethereals from tbc,the consortium ethereals(which are friendly to some extent) and the new void ethereals from legion
jovial coral
If the cloth rips burns etc you'd think they'd be screwed
zinc sandal
I'm willing to believe it is enchanted against those things.
strange falcon
i think it's enchanted to be sturdy enough to become their body
zinc sandal
Yeah, it's not like they'd be dumb enough to risk dying because they got wet by accident
zinc sandal
single drop of water soaks bandages
"Well...cya later."
strange falcon
single atom of water soaks bandages, "Well bois it was fun knowing you"
zinc sandal
Who would win: An ancient race of powerful ethereal beings OR a wet boi
jovial coral
The same way a ghost hits us
zinc sandal
It may seem like it makes no sense, but there are ways around it in the WoW universe.
jovial coral
I'll accept that
polar mango
"Wizard did it."
jovial coral
If I was an ethereal I'd probably look something like this
http://prntscr.com/id7vn2
strange falcon
ethereals in general look terrible in bulky gear
so maybe if they made em playable
they could do only cloth-leather maybe even mail classes since we see in the SEAT dung an ethereal hunter with pets
steel venture
It would actually be interesting to have a race w/o warriors again.
VS how they feel like everyone needs a warrior class now.
Remember when blood elves couldn't be warriors? Since it used to just not fit their lore?
strange falcon
remember when gnomes werent hunters? XD
polar mango
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
steel venture
Ethereals getting only priests, mages, warlocks, rogues, monks and possilby hunters I could see happening. ÂŻ_(ă)_/ÂŻ
(Priest due to the fact there are shadow-infused ethereals, so I doubt there wouldn't be light-infused ones as well.)
compact merlin
seriously, why you guys have this strange fetish with ugly races?
you cant even see ethereals faces
strange falcon
but they're made of energy
compact merlin
and vulpera is just another furry
strange falcon
and they have a cool stance
strange falcon
why tho
you accepted 2
also vulpera are the cute version of the ugly and grizzled goblin
and i'm all for that
plus with the new fur visuals in HD,it's even bette
steel venture
http://goldenyak.com/images/fanart/ethereals_m_faces.png
http://goldenyak.com/images/fanart/ethereals_f_faces.png
http://goldenyak.com/images/fanart/ethereals.png
goldenyak did good work on solving the "but they're just bandages" though in his fan-concepts.
strange falcon
cartoony fanarts i guess?
steel venture
GoldenYak's take on playable ethereals. He made a lot of fan-expansion concepts.
compact merlin
but worgens
compact merlin
yeah
strange falcon
might i remember you all
polar mango
All fours is fucking awesome though. Love that trait.
compact merlin
hope they get a cooler model in bfa
steel venture
worgen were a cool concept that failed in execution
strange falcon
in bfa
steel venture
I wanted to keep the jekyll-hyde thing going on with my worgen >C
compact merlin
and playing a vulpera
steel venture
Not have it handwaved off by night elf bullshit.
compact merlin
mmo jrpgs
strange falcon
MMO jrpgs 
polar mango
Given the distance rendering of WoW, the pop-in of enemies is KINDA like JRPG lol.
compact merlin
with anime characters
polar mango
"Oh shit, random enemy phased in."
strange falcon
get yo facts right if you want to hold a mediocre argument dathed
compact merlin
azeroth titan form will cosplay and watch anime
polar mango
Weeb always sounds racist as hell to me.
strange falcon
Wow is becoming a weeb game
polar mango
K.
strange falcon
you're not a true weeb if you dont even know what's weeb and whats not LUL
strong python
I honestly don't think Vulpera was supposed to be playable
strange falcon
eraser this again
ffs
i'm tired of saying the same exact things every single time
strong python
But they might become because people will ask
polar mango
I'm 40 years old, I don't really uh... follow that stuff. đ
But more power to ya!
polar mango
Good afternoon. Panda for life. đ
Vulpera look great but their voice will be the deciding factor if they become playable.
I hope they sound like pirates.
strange falcon
@strong python well,let me present you some evidence,on why vulpera were DESIGNED to be playable from the start
compact merlin
plot twist: vulperas have a really manly voice
steel venture
vulpera likely are going to go horde.
there's like, no way they wouldn---
OMG PLEASE WAIT HANG ON
polar mango
Arbys commercial deep.
steel venture
them having a deep ass voice hang on
polar mango
"We have the meats."
strong python
Before you start, I haven't seen your evidences before so it's the first time I'll be seeing them
polar mango
I just don't want a squeeky voice. lol.
steel venture
https://youtu.be/J-IIwSu_yyo?t=7s
^ Male vulpera voices.
Please.
It'd be hilarious.
strong python
So it doesn't make sense your "this again" shenanigans since it's the first time I'm talking about it here
compact merlin
if vulperas have a voice like this
strong python
That would be funny lol
strange falcon
first,they use the goblin model,second they are marked as player characters(but to refute this you would link the blue post that says not all races who are marked as PC will be playable,which is a very weak response),second,the horde is helping them first and in the blizzcon reveal it said "befriending",also they already have a reputation tied to them in the files,third,they are ALREADY marked/flagged in the ALPHA files,with the same codename that's used for horde races like zandalari or nightborne,
also my "this again" shenanigans is because a shitton of people dont believe they're going to be playable
so i'm sick of repeating always the same stuff
steel venture
Blizzard also didn't make a direct denial for Vulpera staying as NPCS.
strange falcon
as a dutiful citizen it is my duty to prove that your opinion is wrong with facts
steel venture
It was a blanket statement of, "Well, we're using new tech and rigging. That's why "Thin Human" and Vulpera are both flagged in the natives."
strong python
The fact that I don't believe they will be playable doesn't mean you HAVE to give me evidences
compact merlin
they gave us void elves
steel venture
still waiting for naga. let me dream.
strong python
If they do become playable, I'd love to play as one and I wouldn't complain
strange falcon
well naga would ONLY ever come out as a full fledged race,and ONLY if they decide to deal with "no legs" problem
strong python
Duty? Lol
strange falcon
more evidence is that,they are the only or coupled with kultirans maybe the 2nd,to have THIS MUCH different colors and customization options
strong python
You're taking things way too serious than they should
strange falcon
ye i am o-o
steel venture
Sethrak have now been totally axed on the ability to make them playaable. The sethrak are just, 100% evil.
So Blizzard could just make playable naga using the sethrak skeleton as a base, and claim it to be a different breed of naga. Like how naga brutes exist.
compact merlin
if people complain enough, any race can be an allied race
strange falcon
i think sethrak use the night elf skeleton lul
steel venture
(And Sethrak are 100% evil as in they literally decapitate vulpera and offer "vulpera steaks.")
strong python
My point @compact merlin
strange falcon
well dathed,your point is disproven by naga and murlocs not being yet playable races
so it's true to an extent
compact merlin
their excuse for void elves:
we have shadow priests messing arround with a knive that could possibly turn them insane
but a random citzen is messing with the void
NO WAY, GET OUT OF MY FACTION
steel venture
Naga aren't rigged yet for such a thing. Their animations are still archaic and they might make a biped variant if they do not want to keep them without legs.
compact merlin
just like that
steel venture
... Oh, there's an actual legitimate reason behind the banishment.
strong python
The sunwell stuff
steel venture
Umbric and his followers were using the magic and studies of the dude that sold out Silvermoon to Arthas.
compact merlin
ok, let me improve my point
strong python
Also, that
compact merlin
if people complain enough, any race thats supports armor can become an allied race
strange falcon
thats more like it
compact merlin
try to imagine a murloc in a tier 2 paladin set
steel venture
Which naga do.
compact merlin
they don't have legs tho
strong python
@compact merlin lol
steel venture
Coming from the perspective of someone who has worked on game concepts, not having legs makes it easier to "cheat" in the animation department.
You're presented with a flexible tube to manipulate, instead of being REQUIRED to keep biped movement in mind so it doesn't look uncanny.
As long as it slithers and shifts around a lot, it's a snake. That's easier to get away with.
strange falcon
@steel venture well,if you feel so confident,the current nagas,glitch out the helmets,the pants are stretched out,and the boots dont show at all,
and
steel venture
Some sethrak animations look GREAT, others do not.
strange falcon
how would they ride mounts
without legs
i never said blizz couldnt make naga playable
steel venture
strange falcon
they just require TOO MUCH work and dont fit into the "naga allied race" thingy
if they ever decide to make them
it would be because they are a full fledged race
strong python
That would be.... Weird
steel venture
http://static.wixstatic.com/media/63e951_2b45dba267444069903c626b19d91a20.jpg_srz_543_757_85_22_0.50_1.20_0.00_jpg_srz
sidesaddle, coiled up on themselves, etc.
we have wolves that can ride wolves
compact merlin
aren't nagas just evil? or there is a friendly faction of nagas?
strong python
^
steel venture
Coilskar are apart of the Illidari, which became our allies during Legion.
Blizzard has also quoted they have different matriarchs and are as varied as humans.
There also have been heretics that forsake Azshara entirely.
etc.
strange falcon
**werewolves that ride wolves
again,i'm not saying they COULD be made playable,just that they would be their own race and NOT an allied race
compact merlin
it seems to me that they already have everything they need to make naga an race
steel venture
Allied race seems to be their new way to handle odd races though. And naga definitely fit as an "odd race."
compact merlin
after BfA maybe we will get them
strange falcon
you guys have no idea what the difference between a normal race and an allied race is
compact merlin
Azshara will be dead, so
strong python
I'd like to see some new classes tho
compact merlin
allied race use an already existing skeleton with modified animations
new races have a complete different one from OG races
strange falcon
exactly,nagas would need their own rigs,animations and stuff to fit with the tail and the fish crest they have
strange falcon
i think after bfa we get ethereals,as this expac is setting up old gods,with a hint of void,next expac is setting up void,
so it would make sense
steel venture
Anything that is in the "Player" folder already is a native race.
"natives" refer to the fact that they can wear armor, may be able to mount, have various customizations, etc.
strong python
World of Warcraft Into the Void
compact merlin
World of Warcraft: 2deep4me
steel venture
Naga and Vrykul for example are in the "Player" folder as well, due to the fact that both have several skin tones. And Vykul have varying beard and hair options.
strange falcon
well,wowhead put the "native" tag onto nagas for their model viewer
it's extremely buggy
compact merlin
cthullu shenanigans
strange falcon
with gear and animations
steel venture
Since as of right now they don't support helms, collections on armor, or cloaks.
strange falcon
everything that isnt chestpiece and gloves clips horrbly through everything else
steel venture
Tuskarr also are on there too if I recall, and they only support Wrath armor for the most part.
Sans helms.
The framework is there, more so than working ground-up though.
strange falcon
that's what the blue post means,that those races like naga tuskarr or whatever,just because they have the player tag doesnt meant they're playable
steel venture
Worgen and goblins on the other hand, despite being oldies---They had to be completely redone.
strange falcon
it took vulpera as an example just to be relevant to the thread
steel venture
(which we kind of will be able to look like the middle guy soon.)
kul tiran men are mixing vrykul and human features.
zinc sandal
Are Kul Tiran a confirmed future allied race?
steel venture
It's not confirmed yet, but its heavily suggested.
zinc sandal
So it may not happen.
steel venture
Draenor orcs are confirmed, and ... who mainly faught orcs on the seas during WC2?
strong python
Yup
compact merlin
alliance getting another human
strong python
They'll probably coming together
steel venture
Kul Tirans vs Draenor Orcs.
It'd literally be a WC2 call back.
compact merlin
f a c t i o n b a l a n c e
steel venture
Which BFA is heavily based off of the old RTS games, so. It's almost practically confirmed kul tirans will happen too.
zinc sandal
I wouldn't get my hopes up though.
steel venture
compact merlin
wait
strong python
The alliance was supposed to recruit them right?
compact merlin
i just noticed a really interesting fact
the new upright orcs
rolling a monk with the new option
strong python
And then something goes wrong and they end up recruiting Dark Iron Dwarves
compact merlin
how cool would be a brewmaster idle stance with a upright orc
steel venture
Kul tirans apparently .... REALLY ACTUALLY HATE JAINA.
Her own mother ends up exiling her in the first 10 minutes.
.. I mean.
Fair.
Because Jaina kind of helped murder her own father.
strong python
Exactly
strong python
But somehow we will still befriend them, right?
compact merlin
kill him
steel venture
And apparently one of the other Kul tiran houses is in league with Azshara.
And the last one everyone is having issues contacting because crazy shit is going on there.
compact merlin
this expac can have a really interesting plot
steel venture
Witchcraft for Drustvar.
compact merlin
something inspired by lovecraft
steel venture
...And people are being turned into pigs and sold as meat in Drustvar apparently?!!! EUGH.
strong python
Warcraft inspired by Lovecraft
Make Lovecraft not Warcraft
@steel venture that's gross...
compact merlin
when you /hug an old god
steel venture
http://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/695950.jpg
apparently this thing is behind the "transform people into meat" plotline there.
his name literally is "gluttony"
jade basalt
Pretty sure that's Roland
steel venture
I appreciate how macarbe the BFA models are turning out though.
The hags in Drustvar especially.
jade basalt
He was turned into a man-ping and is under the wickers' spell magic. His coworkers were turned into pigs and he butchers them an turns them into sausage.
gusty wolf
jade basalt
Yea the hags are great. They are former witches actually. They slit their throats and turn into these banshe-like ghosts, and you can still see the blood on their neck.
steel venture
steel venture
love the hags
they're so horrifying they almost look like they're from a different game
zinc sandal
Dark Souls shit
steel venture
they REALLY upped the detail on texturing blood this expansion
you can also see how it's like, dripping off of blood trolls for their "warpaint"
compact merlin
lovecraft checklist:
old gods with tentacles â
people in a naval setting â
an entire family house doing strange things with sea people â
great leaders being influenced to start a war â
tentacle face people possibly trying to ressurect an old god â
BfA plot leaked
steel venture
god tho like
i rEALLY
appreciate BFA's texturing so far
on both the hags and blood trolls you can just see how detailed the blood is
hollow dock
BOOB STRAPS
steel venture
and how it like, smudges against the skin and just looks like its stuck there
like blood that's clotting against them its
gross as hell
and creepy as hell
10/10
hollow dock
theyve come such a long way from Cata when everyone was still using graphics from 2004.
zinc sandal
Blizzard are really stepping up their graphics game
WoW looks like a totally different game
steel venture
tbh like people complained about the switch in stlye from WoD but
hollow dock
Ikr? Playing Vanilla and Legion Side by Side really puts the production value into view.
steel venture
BFA really solidifies that this HD style works for cute or horrific
and doesn't feel jarring
dense plover
not to mention the engine updates
hollow dock
Yea. It was a bit jarring in WoD cuz it was still half and half.
dense plover
the volumetric fog system is killer
hollow dock
But now that they picked a specific style and are sticking with it, it looks amazing.
dense plover
and the amount of cutscenes - in their nice new cutscene engine
the quality of the game has seriously increased with legion and BfA
zinc sandal
WoW has managed to not look really silly, like it's happened to other games
hollow dock
shame peoples nostalgia glasses won't let them see that.
steel venture
Really, Vanilla was ... beyond silly.
zinc sandal
I've heard a lot of people say Blizzard doesn't care. But if this is what not caring looks like, holy shit.
We'd have VR WoW if they did.
rocky bone
@zinc sandal I NOW WANT VR WOW. THIS IS MY DREAM. I SPENT TIME TALKING TO MY BF ABOUT IT AND IT SOUNDS AMAZING.
zinc sandal
Imagine WoW's version of SAO
rocky bone
Oh my goddddd, yessssssss.
Except for the... getting stuck in the game and if you die in the game, you die in real life parts....
zinc sandal
Yes, except for that. xD
I just imagined a bunch of people walking on the streets emulating casting animations
XD
zinc sandal
LOL
rocky bone
LMFAO.
strange falcon
@rocky bone as i said earlier,have you seen VR dalaran map xD
rocky bone
I can fucking imagine people that play shit like a Warrior, swinging their VR controllers.
No I have not @strange falcon
strange falcon
zinc sandal
@rocky bone Imagine what a good workout that would be.
strange falcon
i think he just copypasted the models from the game,into vrchat and added cool lighting
thats it lul
but IN VR
rocky bone
But still, can be sued.
strange falcon
yea,but my starting point was
that blizzard wouldnt even think about wow vr
until it is basically mainstream
zinc sandal
Yeah
polar mango
The technology isn't there yet.
If you think performance is an issue now, just triple the resource requirements for VR.
strange falcon
exactly
polar mango
It can totally be done, but not cost effectively.
Imagine raiding in vr.
Just staring at giant foot.
strange falcon
already vrchat lags horribly when there are more than 20 players on screen
xD
imagine combining that with all the particles
polar mango
And networking.
dense plover
oh yeah, we are a good 15 years from VR being the norm
polar mango
That's the biggest cost right there.
dense plover
we are still working on making it work for people with motion sickness
people who are claustrophobic
etc.
im waiting for holodecks tbh
polar mango
Can't wait for it to be normalized.
dense plover
yeah but wow doesnt fit that format
polar mango
I picked up a vive sometime back, it's nice.
polar mango
Did some dev for it, very fun, very unstable.
dense plover
with a fake keyboard
or imagine having your monitor as an object in vr
and then your action bar is just there
and you just hit the buttons with your hands
polar mango
Eh, it's doable without keyboard. I can play Feral and Affliction Lock with a gamepad so it's possible on handcontrols.
dense plover
that way, no motion sickness
polar mango
Maybe not some classes though.
VR keyboard would be weird.
No tactile feedback.
Better add that to my list of VR needs. Special gloves that can vibrate in different spots.
steel venture
VR chat makes no profit if i recall?
so, it's a scummy thing to do and still violates IP protection, but it's unlikely blizzard will do much more than just tell VR chat to shut down that specific map.
polar mango
The Nintendo Switch Joycons have some pretty good haptic technology with just a few motors.
steel venture
instead of sue the person who made the map or anything
polar mango
Good software makes all the difference.
Technically the client data can be used for anything.
Server emulation is what is 'illegal.'
Don't get me wrong, Blizzard lawyers dictate that haha, but it's not a fight I think Blizzard would pick given it's just a map.
It doesn't pretend to be WoW or interfere with WoW's payment cycles so it's not that big of a deal.
If people start leaving WoW for VR chat then you might see something. đ
strange falcon
but VRchat has no gameplay đ¤
polar mango
Haha, Dafire, yeah. It's just not that big of a deal to anyone.
VR Chat is just the next stage of Second Life. We've done this dance already đ
gilded drum
Lol yeah
I get on and just sit around and talk to people
Itâs actually kinda nice
strange falcon
did you enjoy uganda nuckles
worthy minnow
thats cuz u dont know the wae
worthy minnow
but they couldve shown u the wae
gilded drum
Listen tho
Like
Itâs fien
When you do it
On the Ugandan Knuckles map
And itâs funny occasionally when a map gets raided
But when youâre hanging out
Like 3 people
Just talking
And a Knuckles walks up mic spamming
worthy minnow
hahah đ
gilded drum
Thatâs not cool
Like I was hanging out with a few buddies
On a cafĂŠ map
Maybe 10 people therr
Suddenly 20 knuckles
Flood in
Shit was hilarious
strange falcon
that's the next step of human relationships
hanging out on a cafe map
instead of actually hanging out in a real cafe
gilded drum
Well I mean figuring I live in the middle of a desert
strange falcon
living in the desert
gilded drum
And my closest friends are 3 hours away over a mountain pass.
zinc sandal
Fun.
gilded drum
Itâs a spicy meme alright
zinc sandal
Is there heavy demonic presence in terms of mobs/questing in Outland? Because if so, I might level there to take full advantage of the Lightforged passive "Demonbane"
radiant hatch
When I "hang out" with my friends online, I often think about Asimov's The Naked Sun which featured a society of people who live in isolation and only saw each other through holographic projects.
zinc sandal
Great
pine bluff
If anybody here has the Alpha, do me a favor; actually, the more of you that do this, the better... Put in a ticket asking that Sky Captain Crag Drops a Cosmetic First Mates' Hat...?
strange falcon
dont have alpha đ
pallid crescent
do you get mission boards in bfa?
polar mango
I too am interested in how they are handling this given their vague and conflicting statements.
pine bluff
I was unaware that there was such an issue. I'd assume from the offset that there WOULD be Mission Boards, or at least, BFA Missions would be featured on the Mission Board.
What have they said about it?
jade basalt
@pallid crescent It wasn't yet officially confirmed but there are datamined mission data
pallid crescent
sounds good, thanks
hollow dock
@zinc sandal Hellfire is also filled to the brim with demons.
subtle flower
Huh, reworking hunter pets, that's different.
hollow dock
That's....contradictory of them. They did away with the specific pet idea because it just made you take 3 pets into any raid
uncut vault
bit more of a revert to cata stuff
true matrix
not much of change for me, I like carrying around one pet of each spec anyway đš
hollow dock
but theyre all swappable. Theres no more pet specific specs. it was so freeing to have my devilsaur go tank for any boss I couldn't burst down.
steel venture
This will be unlikely to make it to live IMO
It also completely revamps every single pet default spec.
Spirit beasts are now fucking TENACITY?
WITH A STEALTH?
There is no purpose to forcing the new specs either.
There's really no more specalization in the new pet specs.
Things like Phonenix, Rhino, Spiked Collar, etc are now gone.
Ferocity - Heroism and 3% Leech.
Tenacity - 10% Max Health and a 20% Less Damage Taken CD.
Cunning - 8% Movement Speed, Master's Call.
So why would this be locked?
If this stays as a "locked" specalization, then they've shot hunters in the foot again.
It's going to go back to where everyone just brings a wolf to raids and nothing else.
dense plover
i dont see it that way
multiple pets have the same abilities
and having to switch pets based on the situation is exactly what they want
using the same pet all of the time, meant that there was no need for different types of pets
this makes having different types of pets important again
steel venture
**Except it returns the meta that hunters were happy to see leave.
hollow dock
but then Peach
you have a meta of using instead of 5-6 different pets for buffs
1-2 pets for raiding
and that's it
or 1 pet for soloing and nothings changed.
Its nice to see pets having dispells now, but that being added in to moths and some other pet classes is more than enough to have us keep a few pets around. If you hadn't, that's not on blizz its on the you. When raiding, I took in a hero, brez and whatever pets. Before legion it was 5 different buff pets.
zinc sandal
wut
jovial coral
... idk
Need scare beast(s) maybe reworked
Eyes of the beast
Actually if demonology had that ability I'd be playing that spec
Cast it on a doomguard and have em capture a flag half way across the map
hollow dock
Eyes of the beast have never been able to cap flags
jovial coral
I know but it would have a rework for demons
hollow dock
Why would it get reworked for demons? O.o if its useless for hunters it'd be even more useless for warlocks
jovial coral
Because it sounds fun to me they could make it a viable alternative somehow
Or not even alternative
hollow dock
You really cant as far as I see it. You have to channel it, which is why its such a terrible spell, and you're completely left vulnerable while doing so and your pet doesn't deal anywhere NEAR as much damage as you would.
dense plover
dude
if you want to play hunter
play hunter
the whole purpose of having class differentiation is so that the pets are significantly different
hollow dock
Like. Eyes of the beast was just a flavor spell. that's about it. And it was pretty useless as was.
jovial coral
The eyes of the beast thing would be played differently not just as a flavor spell but it whatever
hollow dock
Just. how? It's a channeled spell on a baseline non-powerful NPC. If you make that NPC more powerful, then everyone uses it and no one actually plays Hunter or Warlock.
jovial coral
You can use it to extend the duration of demons that last only 25 seconds etc
hollow dock
but how do you control that many demons through a channeled spell that only controls your pet?
jovial coral
Target desired demon then cast I guess
Probably could swap will you're channeling already too
If you die you can still fight with the demon for a few seconds lol
hollow dock
I just don't see it. Sure it'd be fun but not functional.
IMO, I take functional over everything.
jovial coral
Needs more thought for sure
hollow dock
and theres no payoff.
Like. yay I guess you get to sometimes control your demon and never do anything impactful?
jovial coral
I know I can't remedy that too much but I think there may be something to correct it
The one payoff is that you can be very far away but like you said, not very impactful
Perhaps on certain a demon(s) there's a metamorphosis kind of empowerment when you extend the duration of their presence
dense plover
I see what you are saying
But thatâs kind of against the theme of warlocks
Itâs about commanding demons
Not bonding with them
You arenât supposed to give a rats ass about your demon
They are expendable
If it dies, you summon another
jovial coral
The demon gets the metamorphosis as in your power is projecting from them not necessarily a bond
dense plover
But thatâs not what warlocks do
Metamorphosis is tied to 8nfusing demonic power into yourself
Which is why it was moved to demon hunter
Think about warlocks as a single sentence or two in defining them
Characters that use the power of the twisting nether and fel to combat their enemies. They summon demons and open portals in order to defeat their foes
What you want is old warlock
But old warlock was clunky, and homogenized to hell. The only fun ability the6 had was metamorphosis
But now they have tons of great abilities
Demonology summons stalkers from portals that jump out and attack enemies
Destruction opens portals for bolts of energy to assault your enemy
I know nothing of how affliction works
hollow dock
You afflict people with curses and hexes.
Then steal their souls
IMO
Affliction is the least 'warlock' of all of them
dense plover
Thatâs cool too
jovial coral
I think it makes sense for warlocks to temporarily empower demons as they do their bidding
hollow dock
Which demonology does!
When you get all your pets out you empower your demons and they all do damage until they despawn
dense plover
^
jovial coral
Yeah I know I guess
I'm just rather fond of the eyes of the demon ability I just conjured up
hollow dock
Understandable.
dense plover
That little eye you can use to remote view stuff
hollow dock
cuz in all honesty. There's no point to it.
hollow dock
nah it just never got pruned
hollow dock
It confused so many people. Eyes of the beast gets pruned but Eye of Kilrogg didn't
dense plover
they are both around arenât they?
hollow dock
Nope. Eyes of the beast got pruned out.
hollow dock
Looooooooong time ago. Fairly certain either MoP or WoD.
dense plover
Maybe it was too clunky
hollow dock
No one ever used it was blizzs excuse.
Which doesn't make sense to me cuz just as many people used EoK as EoB
dense plover
I mean
We donât know that
Blitz has actual numbers to back up their changes if they wanted to
hollow dock
its not like we're 100% blind to that though
Like we can see our button presses in websites like WoWlogs
zinc sandal
Eye of the Beast, Eye of Kilrogg, Far Sight, Mind Vision,...
I like using Mind Vision. Itâs not useful, but itâs fun.
dusky ginkgo
I miss Eye of the Beast
(It was the one when you take control of your pet, right? I wasn't playing in english at the time)
ruby prawn
What did Blizzard think when they added far sight (or other spells of that nature)?
They are not useful at all
tropic trail
they were originally meant for scouting potentially dangerous situations so you could come up with a plan of engagement I assume, but in practice were useless.
ruby prawn
They should make them glyphs like druids have from their class order hall
Like the glyph to turn themselves into trees
subtle flower
Any signs of the alliance warfront plate armor?
rich apex
Nope đŚ
ruby prawn
Warfronts are gonna be the best
But can you choose between fighting against NPCs or players in warfronts?
solid sparrow
Canât wait to ransack Lordaeron. đ¤
uncut vault
Pretty sure theyre only NPCs
half nebula
"Warfronts are gonna be the best". Let's not get our hopes too high just yet.
We've yet to see anything on them, save for what they showed at BlizzCon. It's better to say something like that after you've seen more details on whatever it may be
Blizz can say all they want about anything in BfA, but it's their actions that'll speak much louder than their words. Garrisons are still that sour taste in everyones mouth after all the epic claims.
I want Warfronts to be as they promised, but I'm withholding until I actually see in-game stuff, rather than a video detailing little about them.
merry briar
im just excited for everything
i dont care about things not being cool
theres hype for it
and the only times im happy are when im hyped for wow
and/or playing it
sometime
s
so as long as it gives me that really happy feeling when it comes out it is a win in my books
uncut vault
Im just happy to have old world stuff be relevant
I dont care if warfronts are the best or worst content in the game
updated stromgarde is badass
merry briar
yeah
hollow dock
I just want things to be fun.
strange falcon
i think that's what everyone wants
hollow dock
You'd be surprised on that one based on how subjective fun is
mint arch
I love
quartz gull
does anyone know how balance druids are looking in bfa?
hollow dock
It should be on the wowhead site, for I dont have that knowledge onme
dense plover
almost no changes
new moon isnt sticking around which makes me sad
it was a big part of the rotation
tulip torrent
hollow dock
Yes. They are. They already said the artifact abilities are sticking to the artifacts. Their trait passives look to be integrated in or their golden traits.
jade basalt
They already said the artifact abilities are sticking to the artifacts
They didn't exactly say that, what they said is that some artifact abilities will remain, some might be made baseline, some might be made into talents, and some might be removed entirely. They'll make those changes where it makes sense, they said. They also said that to design the BFA classes and spess, they start by removing everything from artifacts entirely, and then see what they put back (as talent or baseline), or not.
hollow dock
I remember it a bit differently but hey. Youre the supreme ruler of this stuff.
steep canyon
if i make a nightborne, transfer it and my friend boosts me in stormwind stockade then i come back to horde can i still get The armor set for lvling from 20-110 manually?
languid yoke
no
verbal yarrow
nope, race change does not allow you te get the armor
dense plover
They said some abilities may be integrated
I think maw of the damned might see a talent
Thereâs a talent for windwalker that replaces windstrike
I wouldnât be surprised if they add new moon as a talent - I hope so
Most of the balance talents are not options
Thereâs almost always a best option on that tree
languid yoke
some of the active artifact abilities return as talents / baseline abilities but not everything
not sure about passive ones
steep canyon
ah thanks đ
craggy nexus
I thought that shaman's were going to get a buffing totem back. I miss them totems.
I haven't seen them yet.
craggy nexus
I hope that shamans do get the raid buffing totems. Give them the 40 yard range and ele have to run into melee drop the totem then go back out to range. Would love to do that again.
The only lock that I think isn't fun is destro, but I don't main a lock.
sullen dagger
but hati linked to us after we got the artifact
hollow dock
@steep canyon if throwing demons and empowering a demonic army isnt fun baseline the artifact wont change that.
steep canyon
hm ok
whenever i try to choose a class
i fail
XD
i wanna play paladin but i wanna play nightborne
hollow dock
rip u for pickin the hut squatters
steep canyon
lol
languid yoke
solution: don't play nightborne and play a real race instead
dense plover
i like nightborne
gilded drum
Mana addicted
dense plover
my nightborne mage is cool
ocne i get to 100, my transmog will be sweet
also, they arent mana addicted
thats the whole point
we cured them
gilded drum
They were
gilded drum
I know
sullen dagger
i think the flirt of the allied races went overboard a tad lil teeny antsy bit
juuuuust a little
gilded drum
Nah
meager warren
The only thing they went overboard on is awesomeness
hollow dock
The whole fact that we freed them from the addiction should be pointed out
Only if you're uncomfortable with the gayness they emit. (They are a society of very high class people and having kids is not ideal so its pretty obvious that the ruling government would actually push for homosexual couplies. No kids, no problem.)