misunderstandings aside
#beta-ptr-spoilers
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rich apex
The irony, of course, is it sure seems like N'zoth cultists don't even need a false flag to start the war, they just need to be a bit patient
gilded drum
I’m hoping the alliance actually has real fkn blood on their hands
No “it’s not our fault, it’s the horde’s”
rich apex
But because they will, once everyone finds out, that and N'zoth bursting out of the ground will be enough reason to settle a truce
Each side is going to say they're fighting a defensive war against the other side's baseless aggression either way
proud karma
Yeah
I like alliance lore that's alliance only, but blizz is literally, physically incapable of writing horde/alli conflict where the alliance is anything but
"Aha!! We must band together against these vile beasts!!" -human pally waves sword valiently-
Like it'd fall apart if they didn't. They have nothing else to use for why the alliance exists, u know
worthy minnow
ally lore thats ally what does that mean
proud karma
Like I like dwarf lore and nelf lore and stuff
worthy minnow
oh i see
proud karma
Anything that isn't a story of the factions fighting
worthy minnow
well the alliance was formed cuz of the Horde invading Azeroth
so basically.. yea its only cuz Horde
proud karma
Right!
worthy minnow
as far as i know
proud karma
They're trying nowadays to say "the horde isn't all evil beasts! :3" but ALSO still haven't given the alliance any other motivation updates besides..... fighting evil beasts. So we get the broken shore
Just absurd romcom levels of miscommunication
rich apex
I'm not sure where they're trying to say that, given every expansion since Cata 😛
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-_-
worthy minnow
i didnt read all the spoils but i saw something about Malf and that Saurfang is doing what Syl tells him which means she must be right cuz if she wasnt i supposed Saurfang wouldve stopped her
rich apex
Like someone in another channel was griping about supposed Horde favoritism
And the Horde look like assholes all the time
worthy minnow
well most of the time
broken shore , sylvanas trying to be immortal or etc , garrosh especially garrosh
rich apex
The entirety of Warlords refutes the notion of honorable orcs
worthy minnow
u mean?
rich apex
(despite the actual fact that by the point where Garrosh changes the timeline, the orcs had already been corrupted even without the demon blood, but that's a little too much nuance for people)
rich apex
Yes
They don't drink the blood until the war was almost over, in the original backstory
worthy minnow
they drank it shortly after meeting cenarius right?
worthy minnow
oh u mean this one
slate ingot
Can we just have the one true blood god come back yet?
worthy minnow
who?
slate ingot
Hakkar
proud karma
No we cannot
worthy minnow
not this mind controlic bitchass snake
slate ingot
I mean his heart is still somewhere so in theory he could be resurrected anytime or brought into a physical form
proud karma
No hakkar
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He can STAY DEAD
slate ingot
he isnt dead
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:P
worthy minnow
;d
proud karma
Stay......plot dead
slate ingot
After the Soulflayer was defeated his cursed heart, the still burning kernel of Hakkar's power, was brought to Molthor in the hope the Zandalarian trolls would know how to destroy it nothing ever came of this. and he litterally teases people in ZG
saying he will deal with you again later
when is later
worthy minnow
Soon
slate ingot
nooo, I just dont want him to get the varimathras treatment and shoved into a random obligatory boss fight with no story leading up to how he got there
proud karma
Mmm mmm blood trolls
I don't like this
rich apex
It's almost like there's 3-4 raids yet to be announced given we're at the bare start of the Alpha cycle
hollow dock
What even is Hakkar? A loa right?
slate ingot
A blood god
hollow dock
So he's a true diety like Elune and such?
slate ingot
hes the loa of blood
Hakkar the Soulflayer, the Blood God[2] is a malevolent and destructive loa notably worshipped by the Gurubashi trolls, at one point even controlling the Gurubashi Empire's fallen capital of Zul'Gurub. He is known in the troll pantheon as the Loa of Blood.
hollow dock
Alright so he is a Loa.
slate ingot
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Hakkar_the_Soulflayer as the more open information
dense plover
yeah
weirdly weve seen nothing about him
which is strange considering blood trolls
so either he is a raid boss, and we dont know because we dont know many raid bosses, or they are saving him
slate ingot
Hakkar was a major influence in troll lore for years
dense plover
because i know they havent forgotten
hollow dock
What if Hakkar has been overthrown?
slate ingot
he hasn't
hollow dock
Theorizing on why the blood trolls seem to not reference Hakkar.
slate ingot
as his spirit form from cataclysm says I will deal with you later implying we meet him again his heart which is key to bringing him into the physical realm
is still out there
his story is still not done
dense plover
yeah
i wonder if it will be used after uldir
like "we failed to raise our blood god, so we will bring hakkar into this world"
slate ingot
I mean he was probably the spark that lead to the trolls becoming what they are
hollow dock
Well yea. Him being overthrown or getting another shackling doesn't mean he's done.
slate ingot
he disappears
dense plover
thats lore we dont know
yeah
so we dont know what happens
he mightve overthrown, they may be saving him for a patch, they might just skip him altogether
slate ingot
Hakkar turns upon Jin'do, and utterly destroys him, leaving only the corpse of Jin'do the Broken. Hakkar then returns the adventurers to the mortal realm, promising to deal with them another time, before vanishing.
hollow dock
Again Mana, that's not harming or hampering current lore. The BLOOD trolls seem to not mentIon the BLOOD GOD at all.
Does that notseem odd to you?
dense plover
^
slate ingot
well if you replace the blood loa for another blood god and just omit him randomly
as far as its known he is still in the shadowlands waiting to return into the physical realm
hollow dock
Theorizing
dense plover
why is the blood god the bad god and not hakkar?
is hakkar coming later?
did the blood god consume him?
hollow dock
Mana
Are you on the same page as me and peach on what we're talking about?
Which is, there's a lack of Hakkar and a seemingly new entity replacing him in BFA.
hollow dock
So now, why isn't Hakkar involved at all? The Loa being in the shadowlands haven't shown inability to interact with the actual world. That is what me and peach are theorizing on.
hollow dock
Which is why I put forward the idea, what if Hakkar has been overthrown or shackled again?
slate ingot
Well G'hun is only worshipped by the blood trolls who have been living on Nazmir
they arent the same as far as I can tell as the ones who interacted with Hakkar
hollow dock
That wouldn't matter all that much to the Loa. As we've seen instances of the Loa knowing what the trolls are doing regardless of interactions between them. Much like the Greek Gods as I come to think of it.
dense plover
i wonder if they are going to tie hakkar into the old god stuff
he has connections to it already
hollow dock
and trolls creating their own artificial loa? that's gotta get some heads turning over. If Hakkar was able to act, wouldn't he have stopped it?
hollow dock
Ah.
dense plover
so when we get old god stuff, wouldnt it make sense for the blood trolls, after losing their god, to go back to the old one, the one who already favors the dark powers that want to destroy the mortals who destroyed ghuun?
this is now my working theory ^
hollow dock
That could certainly work.
slate ingot
I mean from what has been understood G'huun not needing technology is what lead the blood trolls
to regress to where they are
dense plover
we kill ghuun, old god stuff happens, blood trolls are pissed, hakkar calls out to them and offers them power for blood, they accept since it means power and they have to change almost nothing, and everything they are doing for hakkar also helps nzoth because thats the kind of shit hakkar was tied up in during cata
this keeps the blood trolls relevant after the first raid
and allows them to continue to use nazmir like they continued to use suramar
hollow dock
Taking a page out of the Nightborne
slate ingot
they are the more primitive if not most primitive out of the trolls , and Hakkar was being subdued by Jindo a gurubashi troll
so if hakkar does return
so do probably the gurubashi in some extent or the atal'ai
dense plover
i mean
hakkar might not have been part of the blood trolls original worshipping
but
with ghuun gone, and the old gods on the rise, why would he not show up to offer them something for their blood?
they will see him as a powerful loa, and accept ofc
slate ingot
Well the way Hakkar showed up wasn't just hey gimme blood
dense plover
originally
but hes been in the shadowlands
and he doesnt need to ask for blood
they are ready to give it
slate ingot
Hakkar the Soulflayer, a vile, bloodthirsty spirit, heard the trolls' call and decided to aid them. Hakkar gave his secrets of blood to the Gurubashi and helped them extend their civilization across most of Stranglethorn Vale and certain islands of the South Seas. Though he brought them great power, Hakkar wanted more and more for his efforts.[4] He filled his adherents with murderous rage and reveled in their dark emotions. The carnage that invariably followed Hakkar suited him perfectly, for having consumed blood, he had developed a taste for it. Worse, he became more powerful as he consumed the blood shed in his name, and his tie to the world that was feeding him grew stronger
thats basically how he showed up his origin itself is unknown
dense plover
thats not what im saying
im saying, he has ties to old gods
we are getting old gods
after ghuun, how do you keep blood trolls relevant?
the answer is hakkar
he has ties to blood and old gods
its an easy connection
slate ingot
I mean Zul would also keep them relevant
hollow dock
One possible answer is Hakkar.
dense plover
Zul doesnt like the blood trolls either
both factions of zandalari consider the blood trolls to be beneath them
Zul's faction moreso
slate ingot
and Hakkar doesn't have old god connections
dense plover
yes he does
dense plover
firstly, he is a loa
meaning he is tied to the emerald dream
as are all loa
secondly, cata
slate ingot
he's a loa with no record of how he came to be or where he came from
hollow dock
Either his blood weakend the green dragons Eranikus and the other guardians in Sunken Temple to get corrupted by the nightmare
slate ingot
and how does ZG cata connect to old gods?
hollow dock
or has embeded them into the nightmare through the blood itself
Connection to the Emerald Nightmare
It was implied by Itharius that Eranikus falling to the Emerald Nightmare was caused by Hakkar.[28] Malfurion Stormrage claimed that the Old Gods were behind the Nightmare.[29] Eranikus himself did not clearly comment on this issue.[30] This means that Hakkar may have been in league with the Old Gods in some form, or that Hakkar merely weakened Eranikus enough for the Nightmare to take hold. Hakkar could have also learned how to manipulate the Nighmare by himself.
It was also stated by Itharius that the Atal'ai at the Temple of Atal'Hakkar were using Hakkar's blood to make green dragons fall to the Emerald Nightmare, so that Hakkar could feed off the evil produced by this.[31] This may mean that he just corrupts the dragons, and is not related to the Nightmare itself.
The Wailing Caverns, a location corrupted by the Nightmare, are similarly snake-themed, implying a possible connection, though it is never mentioned.
In the hakkar page
slate ingot
Hakkar's blood is very potent. A small amount of his blood obtained by Jammal'an the Prophet was injected into green dragons to use their bodies to produce the massive quantities of blood necessary to summon Hakkar into the world.[7] Farmed like livestock, the evil that grew within them was then harvested.[8] Hakkar's blood had devastating effects on the dragons. These former jailors of the Atal'ai were corrupted by its presence in their bodies and became creatures of Nightmare.[9] Even Eranikus, one of the greatest green dragons, infused with the largest quantities of blood, became twisted beyond imagination.
I mean it isn't hakkar more so his blood
dense plover
read the thing above that
hollow dock
and where do you get Hakkar blood manaless
dense plover
the first one
slate ingot
and Jammal'an was responsible for Eranikus
hollow dock
From hakkar :v
hollow dock
they're possible connections
slate ingot
I mean to be fair its probable
hollow dock
we're not saying theyre concrete
dense plover
being in the shadowlands for years, that can be enough
hollow dock
just saying its possible
slate ingot
considering According to Brann Bronzebeard, the origins of Hakkar remain unknown, and there are no mentions of him in any Titan records.[
hollow dock
Yes we've been reading the same page Mana
dense plover
the point im focusing on here
is the disappearance after cata
that gives them 3 ingame years to work with
slate ingot
Well he disappears to the shadow lands presumably with a grudge still out for the mortals
dense plover
so they can have a whole questline backstory thing related to this
yeah
but what does he do there
slate ingot
gain more power
dense plover
maybe
slate ingot
or listen for calls
dense plover
thast what quests are for
slate ingot
like he did with the gurubashi
dense plover
thats what im saying they could follow the story with
"ah youve bested our blood god, we are nothing, go on and fight your war meanwhile, hakkar has told us of the power he offers, of the power that nzoth offers, and we will use it to destroy you and conquer azeroth"
this is the kind of thing i imagine blizzard pulling
if they dont pull something like this, ill be a bit disappointed since it is a great way to further develop an unknown faction of trolls, and it keeps a zone relevant, so you dont need to make a new one
also, i want to finish hakkar's story
this would be the best expansion to do that in
especially since being in nazmir would probably help to break up whatever stuff they are going to do with the naga
though i do wonder how that would work for the alliance
maybe we deal with hakkar while they deal with quilboar? idk
And I could absolutely be wrong ofc, but I hope I’m not, because there probably won’t be a better time to finish Hakkar’s story while staying somewhat relevant to the main plot
hollow dock
inb4 Hakkar becomes the new Helya
dense plover
I hope not
They have the opportunity to put the entire story of it in the game
And now they have Golden
rich apex
implying Hakkar wasn't the Helya of vanilla/Cata
dense plover
I mean he was the main bad guy for a full raid tier
One of the most loved raids if I remember correctly
dense plover
Hey guys
I’m gonna post my theory on reddit
Is this good?
In battle for Azeroth the horde will be going to Nazmir, a zone dominated by a faction of trolls known as blood trolls who worship a corrupted titan construct - Ghuun, the blood god. At no point is Hallam brought up, which raises the question, Where is Hakkar?
My working theory is as follows: after the defeat of Ghuun in Uldir (the first raid), the blood trolls will be powerless - having lost their source of power, they will call out to the loa, and who would answer but Hakkar. Not only does Hakkar crave blood in return for power, but he has possible ties to the old gods, who we will almost certainly see as a main part of the story in BfA. This means Blizzard can bring Hakkar in as an important story character, tying his story to the current expansion, the old gods, and keeping Nazmir and the blood trolls relevant similar to what they did with the nightborne.
If Hakkar is brought back, I imagine him being a side raid or a dungeon, similar to Helya in Maw of Souls and Trial of Valor.
hollow dock
Doesnt matter how good it is, someone on reddit will shit on it. But I think its well put together
tulip torrent
btw how do ppl get access to alpha
is it only by participating on settings in battle net
or they gave vanilla players access?
hollow dock
It's any number of reasons that are unknown to us. But apparently you can increase your chances by being very active during the PTR and other beta's you're apart of
or by being a streamer with a decent sized audience
spark fossil
Argonia in this first wave only people who made ´´content´´ get invite, youtubers and streamers
but some random ppl report they get invite for old accounts
hollow dock
Age of the account doesn't matter to much.
tulip torrent
my only hope is again in wowhead giveaways
hollow dock
You could just participate during PTR actively by making forum posts, screenshot reports you send in and such. That's how @uncut vault gets in or so he says.
hollow dock
During the beta its more open and based on on specs at that point
rich apex
Just gotta wait and see
tulip sun
Anyone else watch the stormwind extraction?
hollow dock
Nah. I hold my experience for the finished product
placid anvil
are there any loot tables posted for freehold?
Was wanting to see what kind of loot dropped from council o captains
hollow dock
None that are concrete. Gotta wait for the live release for that stuff.
placid anvil
Gotcha. I heard you could loot a duster coat from the council and wanted to verify
rich apex
I'm sure Wowhead will have it when it's up
uncut vault
zul burning stormwind is fantastic
dense plover
i dont think its zul, i thought it was the horde
tulip sun
Rohkan started the fire
dense plover
hmmm
maybe they think the horde did it then
interesting
man
still no tortollan VO
i want to know what they sound like in wow
uncut vault
it is, zul and the horde work together.
dense plover
thats just nonsense
zul is the bad guy
he is the bad guy at thunder isle
and he is the bad guy in zandalar
my guess is that he is in stormwind to kidnap telanji
uncut vault
He isnt, he seems to be with them.
Horde went in to find saurfang and find the ship to orgrimmar that was intercepted
the ship was Talanji and Zul
Horde is looking for ships to rebuild their fleet with after Lordaeron, Zandalar has them
jade basalt
Yes Zul actually saves their asses because without his 'fiery distraction' Jaina would have ended them all, but instead she had to go put out the fire.
dense plover
why is Zul with Telanji when he wants to remove her father
that doesnt make sense
i think a piece is missing here
jade basalt
This happens before everything else, before Zul invades Zuldazar
uncut vault
He isnt actively rebelling against Rastakhan at this point
jade basalt
At this point he's still just 'the Prophet' and a Councilor to the King
dense plover
huh
so that occurs in game
thats actually really cool
i figured he just started out bad
because thats what blizz normally does
jade basalt
Yeah the Stockades scenario (this) leads to you escaping on Talanji's ship to Zandalar, so in my opinion this is what unlocks at launch, similar to Dalaran moving to Broken Isles in Legion.
Meanwhile the Battle for Lordaeron will be the Broken Shore equivalent they said, so likely unlocking at pre-patch.
uncut vault
even in BfA he isnt bad, he and rastakhan have different but similar visions from the loa
jade basalt
He is bad (later) in BFA, he works with the Old Gods/Azshara and invades Zuldazar
uncut vault
Does he? Only broadcast text Ive seen on him is the stuff with yazma, people invading zuldazar are blood trolls under Ghuun, who zul has no relation to
dense plover
Zul is definitely bad
atal dazar is zul
we go there for some reason related to the story
and zul
jade basalt
No no, he invades Zuldazar with his army, awakens Mythrax (a C'Thrax), whom he sends to break the 3rd seal and release My'thix (another C'Thrax), defiles Ataldazar, kills Rezan, and works with Azshara. @uncut vault
uncut vault
CouldI get a link? honestly didnt see that
jade basalt
And yeah the reason for him defiling Atal'Dazar is that he wants to rez the first troll emperor, Dazar.
All in the broadcast text article, and the quests / videos @uncut vault
Ah and Yazma, his right hand, kills another loa, Shadra, the spider, well more like consumes it
dense plover
so turns out the new ui actually has 4 more action bar slots than the old one
uncut vault
Huh. Weird that I didnt see that. But either way, at the beginning hes still an ally to Rastakhan
jade basalt
Yup
uncut vault
Also looking for Zul stuff, apparently the amani are also involved
jade basalt
(Nearly) all the Troll tribes are there
For a meeting
And they all spit on you / the Horde
dense plover
this is going to be a very interesting story
jade basalt
The Drakkari are missing, as I recall.
For some reason the Farakki are mad at the Horde too.
The Amani are pissed that the Horde killed their leader and also allied with blood elves. Zandalari too, for the same reason.
There's actually a lot of Zandalari dissing on you. It seems at first everyone is against any kind of alliance, just your presence is an insult. I imagine by the time you save everyone's asses in all the 3 regions they'll change their minds.
tropic trail
ilevel 190 in bfa
14k hp
Will that affect the raid alone?
draenor raids, pandaria, etc
🤔
hollow dock
Yes it affects all the former raids
No one knows if those raids are soloable anymore
The Drakkari, according to the Cata cinematic, have been all but wiped out. As they sided with the Scourge and ate their gods.
jade basalt
No, they returned with a new King in MoP, whom we killed
hollow dock
yea.
pallid coral
Some notes for those in the BfA Beta right now (not sure @Staff knows of some of these)
A) If you use a hearthstone right when you create a new toon, it will port you to either Stormwind or Orgrammar
B) You can get back to the new zones by completing the new scenarios (just talk to the quest board in either city to start the questline)
C) If you want to unlock Legion, the Assault on the Broken Shore scenario is currently bugged for both Alliance and Horde toons. Alliance NPC get stuck after the Krosus fight; and before the final stage; and soft-lock the scenario.
D) When attempting the Horde BfA Scenario, at stage 5 you can soft-lock the scenario by skipping releasing the prisoner and going straight to the exit.
hollow dock
What are ya sayin no to? I'm sayin they are all but removed.
subtle flower
That first one is a pretty interesting change.
jade basalt
I'm saying no to this
The Drakkari, according to the Cata cinematic, have been all but wiped out. As they sided with the Scourge and ate their gods.
Because they still existed in MoP, returning with a new King
hollow dock
Right. They havent nearly died out?
Cuz that's what that says
Unless you don't know what 'have all but x' means.
In which, sorry for the confusion.
jade basalt
They weren't at that time all but wiped out if they still represented a significant force just after
hollow dock
That's...what the cinematic said if memory serves. Hence why the Drakkari didn't join the call of the zandalari
jade basalt
The cinematic that happens 2 years before MoP.
hollow dock
Yea and somehow after 5-6 world ending events our armies are still heavily poppulated to wage open war
jade basalt
Wait I don't think the cinematic even says what you said. Closest thing would be that 'Zuldrak has fallen'.
Exactly.
hollow dock
Yes. The people there are of the drakkari.
jade basalt
My point is that 'Zuldrak has fallen' is not the same as 'the Drakkari are all but wiped out' specially since they returned en force in MoP with a new King, so that's wrong. And we're going to stop this little dance as you like to start them because there is no more arguing to be had.
hollow dock
As noted with Eversong and the regions of the High elves at the time of their extermination, the Scourge left very little there. Having Zul'drak described to us as fallen, and gone, with no Drakkari there at the meeting
I simply explain how I see it but hey my views are always wrong so w/e.
jade basalt
Yes they are always wrong. There were Drakkari at the meeting.
hollow dock
The remaining Drakkari have bolstered the Zandalari forces invading the northern shores of Pandaria, along with the Gurubashi, Amani and Farraki tribes. As mark of their fall against the Scourge, a part of their strength are undead.[9] They take part to the fight during the fight of Horridon and the defence of the Council of Elders.
That's all I'll say then.
all I said is they were nearly wiped out. But hey. Anything for me to be wrong eh?
jade basalt
You realize this doesn't help your case right, on the contrary ? Nobody said the Drakkari didn't fall. You said however they were all but wiped out, which is mostly false as you proved yourself, since they returned en force with a new King to the point that they could, I quote, 'bolster the Zandalari forces invading Pandaria', which means it's not just 3 guys.
Thalysra's statements about the Alliance and how cool the Horde is.. turn out to be the exact opposite of what was said to the Pandaren. http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/7/78855/2179439-Pandaren_Choose_Your_Destiny.png
rich apex
That's because Liadrin sold her what she wanted to hear
hollow dock
I never said it was 3 guys
I just said
they were nearly wiped out
That's it
saying 'they were all but x' means nearly, almost, etc. It doesn't mean they were wiped out completely.
rich apex
Tho that -is- a good description of the Horde
floral gyro
this is a dumb argument lol
rich apex
And, of course, the Alliance doesn't have to worry about any flaws
Every lore arguement is a dumb arguement
floral gyro
^
hollow dock
Quiet picked a fight with me over a statement that I still think he is just misreading
floral gyro
he picked a fight sure but you're not letting it drop
clearly neither of you two will give in so both of you just stop talking
its really not that big of a deal
hollow dock
I greatly dislike being called wrong when it's a falsity. :v
floral gyro
i can understand that, but you gotta learn when to just let things go
hollow dock
Nah I'm petty as fuck.
floral gyro
then honestly take it to PM's
jade basalt
Or don't be wrong.
floral gyro
alright now you're just trying to pick a fight lmao
Anyone else see that Survival hunters now have a cool crossbow attack?
hollow dock
I didn't think it was really needed but yea. its kinda cool I guess.
floral gyro
🤷 it'll probably be changed or removed
rich apex
Surv hunters are witchers
floral gyro
.......holy shit
rich apex
Inorite
rich apex
Imma rolling a Kul'tiran one if they end up playable
Since half of Kul'tiras is witches and shit apparently
floral gyro
Jerald of Kul'tiras lol
hollow dock
2 2-h swords only.
floral gyro
eh theres some simple enough looking 2h swords
hollow dock
Just 2 claymores does well enough.
floral gyro
hopefully frost goes back to 2 handed
rich apex
With a white pet wolf
copper tapir
Wonder if those scrolls will make Inscription worth going again.
hollow dock
I dont think it ever will Tar. They've kept the design of needing 1 handers.
Not that a lot of people did 2h frost by the end of WoD.
floral gyro
but my arthas class fantasy
copper tapir
I can't wait to have more options than just fist weapons on my monk.
floral gyro
what weapons can monks use?
copper tapir
1h swords, 1h maces, 1h axes and fist weapons for WW
I'd love 2h options again, but fists of fury prevents that.
hollow dock
Well. Staffs as well.
and polearms
but no one runs those cuz they were just to slow in attack speed
dense plover
uh
an update was just pushed to the ptr
there might be a new beta build as well apparently
no nvm, just ptr
new version is 26010
so there are changes apparently
wonder what and why
hollow dock
might be background stuff.
dense plover
yeah, it just seems a bit weird
i wonder if they are working on the rest of the silithus stuff
there havent been any new quests there right?
even though there will be right?
rich apex
Right
copper tapir
Battleground?
rich apex
And that
hollow dock
For some reason Silithus on the PTR has been reverted to normal
copper tapir
Probably comes with story.
zinc sandal
I wish hairstyle and horns were not tied together for male Draenei.
Why are they anyway, and not for female?
hollow dock
because sex appeal
zinc sandal
Ugh.
proud karma
just to save space
like how earrings change noses for goblins
or makeup changes tusks for trolls
zinc sandal
Then why is it not the case for females?
subtle flower
I was looking forward to Devotion Aura. ._.
jovial coral
Any worgen models out there
I always felt like the female worgen should be larger than the males
hollow dock
no the new models are not here in the alpha, you'll have to wait until after BFAs launch for them
proud karma
@zinc sandal if i had to guess, because they don't have beards. men do so something had to be combinedXD
strong python
did they confirm the new models?
hollow dock
they confirmed them a long time ago, during WoD when the old models were being revamped. Worgen and Goblins would get them at a later date and durign Legion we were told they were working on a full redo of the Worgen and just tweaking the goblin models.
strong python
neat!
floral gyro
Hopefully Worgen end up looking more like Greymane
Standing up straight would be nice honestly, as much of a meme that is
floral gyro
What did the alpha models look like?
proud karma
god i forget how BAD they are until i look at one again
my friend once said it looks like a bad fursuit
and
hollow dock
with a little bit of brushwork, some added tweaks here and there, the alpha models would have been perfectly fine to the mutts we get now.
jade basalt
Someone actually made a model edit of how good the alpha model could have looked like today. @hollow dock https://m.imgur.com/vFbWZez?r
floral gyro
honestly I'd like if they went a bit...MORE wolf-ish
hollow dock
See that'd be perfectly fine.
hollow dock
maybe not the weeb hairstyle
Fix their animations, give em some more makeup and donezo. I do have to admit, it doesn't fit the rest of the art style for the rest of the races which is probably why it got scrapped, but still.
I just hold some minor hope they decide to go that route.
floral gyro
as I said I'd love a bit more of a feral look
Greymane's new model is a pretty good example
hollow dock
Yea. That'd be nice. Make it more wolf-man or Witcher esc wolfies.
olive mirage
i know where he got that model edit ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
hollow dock
Anyone does with a quick reverse search
jovial coral
I feel like it's a bit too domesticated When it should be something a bit more feral but I do like it
The male and female models should look relatively the same in body shape
The female should be kinda larger like many other kinds of wildlife
zinc sandal
Damn. That looks nice.
jovial coral
Can worgen get pregnant?
meager warren
I wouldn't want to see that, @jovial coral because female wolves are smaller than male wolves irl
uncut vault
Yes they can
zinc sandal
Why would they not be able to?
meager warren
they can in hentai but can they in warcraft?
jade basalt
Yes. But their curse does not transfer to the child.
jovial coral
Interesting
subtle flower
http://bfa.wowhead.com/item=153597/deployable-attire-rearranger#created-by-spell Well, nothing so far mentioning that it can only be used by engineers...
dense plover
he chooses to stay
hes going to stay relevant
its very different from standard blizzard writing
you can already see Christie Golden's handiwork
meager warren
at least now he can keep from making another Garrosh
subtle flower
floral gyro
Yeah, I just hope he doesn't die here 😦
uncut vault
he wont
he's likely going to be the resolution to the faction conflict
anduin's plan for a post-Sylvanas Horde
meager warren
Hoping we find Saurfang playing cards with Genn; The End of the War
proud karma
With velen
Tru peace
dusky ginkgo
MyMindWontQuiet - Aujourd'hui à 04:25
Great
Before (top, alpha) / After (bottom, live) https://m.imgur.com/fF8Vf?r
The alpha look wolfy enough, it would be cool with today quality, but I think it would look even better if the muzzle was a bit longer
https://www.kimballstock.com/pix/WOV/09/WOV_09_DB0041_01_P.JPG
They have long head
rich apex
Old model doesn't have goofy Disney eyes, at least
dusky ginkgo
Hmm, problem is the eyes, the perma-growl is a bit weird but mostly the forehead is waaaay too marked
It's almost as marked as on a chihuahua. (I did look at husky first. Their forehead is more marked than a wolf, but not as much as the worgen model)
long wyvern
I like this one as well, the left is the Alpha model I think. But the suggested one is alot better then the current model as well.
jovial coral
The right one makes the left look like a pit bull or something
rich wedge
Pretty sure my worgen doesn't look anything like the left one, she has a mane, not the buzz cut pictured
dense plover
holy shit
ghuun is or was an old god
like he was an old god
then he was experimented on
and either isnt now
or is much weaker than he was
still very strong though
jade basalt
He is straight up called an Old God throughout alpha
dense plover
yeah
jade basalt
Which is a bit odd as, at Blizzcon, they never even mentioned that. Just that he was "a blood god", born from the titans' experiments on the Old Gods.
dense plover
well
theres a cutscene in nazmir
not implemented yet
but ghuun was an old god at the time of titan experimentation
my guess is ghuun isnt an old god anymore
i mean, ghuun is tiny
jade basalt
No no they are calling him Old God now, the trolls, the goblins, etc.
dense plover
the only part ive seen of him actually being called an old god is with the ctuscene text, and its implied in the past tense
again, he is too small to be a full on old god now
old gods are continent sized
theres some voice lines from npcs and stuff
but im not sure that confirms that ghuun is a full blown old god
it just doesnt match up in the sense of the other 3 old gods
he doesnt match the scale
jade basalt
It's not just in one cutscene, no.
- "PH Scene - Titan Keeper Hezrel reveals G'huun being an old god, being experimented upon"
- Talanji - "The blood trolls be relentless and unending thanks to the power of an old god."
- The battle with the goblins "We're gonna blow your old god up, goblin style! "
- Same "Huh, never blew up an old god before. Shoulda brought more explosives! "
dense plover
yeah
3 of those are VO, so not neccesarily canon
and the first one says being
its talking about ghuun as an old god being experimented on by the titans
in the past
like the VO are what the npcs think
not neccesarily what is true
jade basalt
They are dialogue lines. My point is that G'Huun is called an old god many times in alpha, in both past and present tense.
dense plover
ghuun physically doesnt make sense as a full blown old god. look at ghuun
ghuun has no tentacles
no many mouths
no several pairs of eyes
and is not continent sized
clearly the titans experiments did something to change it
it may still be an old god
jade basalt
Having many mouths or eyes or whatever aren't necessary characteristics of an old god though
dense plover
but its very different
size is def a characteristic though
and it doesnt meet that considering its apparent appearance in some of the cutscenes
so either the blood god thing is just an avatar
or
the experimentation changed its physical form immensely
which is what i imagine the actual reasoning is
jade basalt
Or he's a smaller old god or got smaller because of the titans yeah. I don't think there's much interest in debating this in the current state of the game, point is he is called an old god many times so far
They better explain it because it'd be odd to make a whole series of book called Chronicles just to introduce a new old god out of nowhere 2 years later
terse patrol
I personally think G’Huun is pregnant with Hakkar’s reincarnation. @dense plover
Something is inside of it.
dense plover
Blood is inside
jade basalt
Or eggs. There are many eggs in the raid, and blood worm thingies hatching from them.
dense plover
That’s possible
jade basalt
You can see some on his back too https://i.imgur.com/deMnXRR.png
terse patrol
Hakkar returns with the blood moon, and theres a blood moon happening
Plus, King Rastakhan’s armor depicts Hakkar
Pretty sure Zul will try sacrificing Princess Talanji
And we all know Zul serves Hakkar.
jade basalt
I don't think we know that Rastakhan's outfit depicts Hakkar, or that Zul serves Hakkar. He is in league with Azshara actually, and releases Old God servants.
terse patrol
Aaaaand Hakkar has relations to the Old Gods, if you’ve paid attention to the lore.
Zul helps Azshara because she serves the Old Gods as well.
jade basalt
Well that was unnecessarily rude.
- The only possible link between Hakkar and the Old Gods is a vague, not even confirmed, indirect one, in that his blood was used to poison & weaken green dragons enough so that they could succumb to the Nightmare.
- Still no link between Zul and Hakkar, or Azshara and Hakkar.
If you've paid attention to the lore, that is.
dense plover
It’s possible they could make a link, but at this moment, MyMindWontQuiet is 100% correct
And damn
I didn’t know Ghuun was that big
Still not big enough to be a full sized old god though
So I imagine they will explain more about that, probably in the cutscene
Can I say how excited I am that the story is so well written this early into the expac?
We don’t even have the cutscenes and the story is far more coherent and sensible than any other since maybe wrath
And even wrath had some problems
jade basalt
It is. My only gripe though is that they made all the villains related to the Old Gods, because apparently someone can't be a bad guy unless they are manipulated by / serving the Old Gods, continuing an old tradition. Lady Ashvane who invades Boralus ? Affiliated with the Old Gods. Zul ? Affiliated with the Old Gods. The Stormsong ? Affiliated with the Old Gods. Just let one of the four Houses of Kul Tiras do its own thing and try to overthrow the government on its own rather than involving the Old Gods. Just let Zul believe Rastakhan to be a crappy King and wanting to replace him on his own rather than involving the Old Gods. It just makes the villains' goals way less genuine and original if everything is Old Gods related in a way or another.
uncut vault
Zul doesn’t serve hakkar, no idea where you got that idea
His Zandalari oppose hakkar in vanilla
dense plover
Uh
Zul gurub
Also affiliation doesn’t mean corrupted
If you are evil, the old gods are your best buds
hollow dock
To be fair Quiet, Legion has done nothing but hint the old gods are coming. What better way for them to sew chaos into the main powers than give an edge to their adversaries?
jade basalt
Definitely, I'm not saying it doesn't make sense, on the contrary, just an originality issue. "Original villains" in Warcraft are rare, they're nearly all either corrupted or in league with literal Satan or C'Thulhu.
strange falcon
that moment when you make the great mistake of going on the forums,and the first post is "allied races are a scam" because some people are moderately stupid and dont understand that the preorder gets you the entire expac and not just the races...
cinder knoll
I would say they rather dont understand that you need to work for rewards in MMO RPG games
tulip torrent
maybe they are though to think that this is a dlc
containing only allied races and not the whole new exp
thanks to other games made from other companies
hollow dock
Theyre extra stupid for thinking blizz does that to Warcraft.
quartz gull
true
hollow dock
that seems to powerful tbh.
polar mango
Granted, things change but some of it looks yummy.
Varies up the rotation from keeping up mastery combo.
hollow dock
either its going to get removed or baked in because. Just. what can contest that?
strange falcon
it looks like a jacked up version of the tierset from legion
polar mango
Leg sweep is also baseline for all specs now. XD
hollow dock
took em long enough
ever since the RoP nerf there has never been a reason to not take Leg Sweep
dense plover
apparently the aoe chi move also generates chi i think
hollow dock
Chi Burst?
dense plover
yeah
hollow dock
that'd be nice.
meager warren
Bug things in Zandalar look gross but also epic
jovial coral
Hakuna Matata
copper tapir
Ooh. Profession skill squish. Wonder how that'll affect old xmog patterns.
hollow dock
the materials or is the skill cap actually gettingsquished?
copper tapir
Skill cap is getting squished to 200. Doesn't give a lot of wiggle room to level alongside your character. Interested to see how that goes.
pale badger
So everyone gets skill to 100 or 1 at the start of expansion?
uncut vault
They’re not all being squished
It’s 100 per xpac now
So you level each xpacs stuff individually
hollow dock
So it's getting down to what. 700 and back to 800 with BFA?
uncut vault
Well, no, now each xpac has an individual skill bar, so no matter the number of xpacs, the skills will only go to 100 or 150, depending on where they cap it
hollow dock
So like. Wrath had 375, is that now 350? I'm confused.
rich apex
You know the Panda speciaist cooking skils?
It's that
But by expansion
Presumably if you're maxxed out now, you'll have maxxed everything once it hits
If you're not, I dunno, I guess they'll do math stuff to figure it out
strong python
Sounds better
rich apex
It really is needed
Given all the boosts
My DH still can't use the LWing mount because you need 800
But all my patterns are green
And I don't want to pay up the wazoo to get enough mats to pay for, and then craft, the epic items just to level skill
strong python
Yeah, I know the feel
rich apex
Truuue
jovial coral
You would hope they require less material to make but that sounds a bit tedious
First Aid shouldn't be too hard
Some azerite infused bandages
What would be neat for first aid but also kinda trolly is some concoction that will remove other players useless afflictions like noggenfogger elixer etc
hollow dock
people still use first aid?
jovial coral
No but figure they should make it easier to use while leveling just because
zinc sandal
I make bandages and they sell pretty well 😮
hollow dock
Im actually amazed.
meager warren
Anyone have an estimate on when BfA collector's edition will be out?
jade basalt
They said 'soon'
But one might want to check the previous years ' dates for an estimate
meager warren
ty
meager warren
hot
meager warren
Transmog system of Warcraft, probs
hollow dock
Theyre already anallied race
rich apex
wat
meager warren
Vris is trolling
worthy minnow
i thought only 4 per each
rich apex
It's the ones who were literally wiped out by humans
And magicked themselves new bodies or some shit
3 per each so far
4th hasn't been confirmed
(yes, I know Ion mentioned orcs in the livestream)
meager warren
Mag'har Orcs? For the Horde!
meager warren
dank
rich apex
I will still be shocked if they actually bring us bakc to WoD
zinc sandal
What 3?
meager warren
i think that'd be decent. hopefully this time, they do WoD the right way
worthy minnow
depends if they have time to make it cool
rich apex
Of course, if we're recruting the Laughing Skulls, then that sidesteps the Grom/Durotan question
worthy minnow
they sacrificed it for legion
rich apex
I guess
I mean, we're still telling the Draenor orcs 'yeah, you should totally get back to murdering the draenei and their allies, just on OUR world'
worthy minnow
green jesus hasnt been noticed yet too 😄
rich apex
So
meager warren
Chromie could bring us back to before Garrosh invaded and make sure Grom knows Garrosh is evil
meager warren
lol
rich apex
We're going back to Draenor baby
worthy minnow
lel evil girl huh
meager warren
Wait, Chromie is evil??
worthy minnow
no but she can become 😄
rich apex
'i'm just gonna send these dumbasses back in time again and again until they get their shit together and stop killing each other;
meager warren
Stop. That doesn't make her evil
rich apex
(Chromie deserves that unique model in WoW)
Of course not
We're the ones ruthlessly butcerhing each other over past greivances
uncut vault
Chromie deserves that model and her unique drake model in WoW
meager warren
on second thought, she should send us back to the first war and make sure the Horde/ Alliance don't end up fighting
worthy minnow
dude that face says: They think im cute but im evil af
meager warren
no, it says "They think i'm kidding when i say i'll do this. If only they knew what i had in store..."
sassy chromie
worthy minnow
if she send us in war1 then we wont be there to tell her to return us
etc
shit will be huge
meager warren
well good. we can start everything over again and this time, do it right
meager warren
not if the Alliance and Horde are infinitesimally stronger for it
worthy minnow
how?
meager warren
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/7k7pb8/playing_as_alliance_in_bfa_be_like/drgmo5b/?context=3
this is how
and this as well, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_diplomacy
meager warren
sup, peach
rich apex
Nothing says peace like dumping your armies everywhere
dense plover
they made changes to gorgrond for the draenor orc recruitment (probably)
uncut vault
Map is most likely PH for whatever threat we're facing with draenor orcs
rich apex
Apparently
dense plover
and it looks like what gorgrond was going to look like
i dont think it is a placeholder
rich apex
I',m still shocked we might actually be going back to Draenor
dense plover
its clearly finished
uncut vault
it isnt finished at all, lol
dense plover
and its different than the map from the alpha
uncut vault
look at the edgeso f the map
meager warren
well, no but..
nothing says peace like forcing people who wouldn't otherwise join into a faction, into that faction
uncut vault
has all the old alpha assets
dense plover
the edges are something you wont see
stiff vector
its mostly the same actually
uncut vault
look at blackrock foundry
stiff vector
just assets that have been updated since have changed
dense plover
and why would they use the old map vs the new map if it didnt matter?
uncut vault
again, probably PH.
stiff vector
it would probably have been easier to copy over new gorgrond
dense plover
^
stiff vector
someone decided to not do it the easy way
dense plover
it means they want there to have been change
its possible theyve cut down the jungle
or that the earth side of gorgrond won
stiff vector
well alpha gorgrond was never really canon
uncut vault
guess the orcs terraformed all of gorgrond in a year
meager warren
i want to see Draenor before the Evergrowth invaded. And Draenor before the Titans fought/ died. And Draenor before humanoids started fucking up the place with fel-magic/ otherwise
stiff vector
so i'm curious to see how it'll be used if at all
uncut vault
and somehow fully healed the spot where their harbor was
meager warren
Zul: 10x hotter than Warlock weapon
uncut vault
Plus, the only realistic threat thats left for us to help them with is the botani, and that map has basically none.
dense plover
survival got a talent named Born to be Wild
zinc sandal
What it do?
stiff vector
the only apparently change to the map is that it uses the new harbor model
which is probably incidental
seeing its had the same filename since early alpha and now the changes just propogated
uncut vault
looks like identical harbors, but with water missing from the new map
dense plover
Weapon Specialist is so cool
uncut vault
Oh, color changes, now I see
stiff vector
its more than that, alpha harbor was just a blockout basically
finished one is more detailed and has different textures
dense plover
vulture mounts
more work on communities
they added more of the path to the ruin in south voldun
further confirming my theory that pre sundering, it was part of that big highway from wyrmrest
meager warren
you're telling me i get to farm for parrot AND vulture mounts?
i'm in love
dense plover
tons of changes to kul tiras
which makes sense considering it is less finished than zandalar
uncut vault
they added a big patch of islands on the north part of stormsong
meager warren
coot
dense plover
yeah
tons of work on boralus too
and the zone around it
work on drustvar
tiragarde sound
thats the zone
dense plover
and both zandalar and voldun have changes, but not many i can see, mostly because of all of the trees in zuldazar
that and its still very unfinished
half the mountains are still just carved stone, no trees, and completely unused space
it wont stay that way
jade basalt
@dense plover You in the alpha too ?
dense plover
no
i wish
just looking at maps using marlamin's tool
and comparing between versions as best i can
i think i would cry irl if i got into alpha. it would mean my feedback matters
also
ive been wanting zandalar since i learned about it
its compiled of two things i love - aztec architecture, and dinosaurs
zinc sandal
And Zandalari trolls
stiff vector
also dinosaurs
meager warren
i love those things too. Except, i also love jungles. Which Zandalar also has
stiff vector
and some more dinosaurs too
zinc sandal
Trolls, dinosaurs, and aztec architecture
meager warren
and jungles
dense plover
i mean
jungles are by default included with aztec stuff
aztec stuff in a regular forest would be weird
part of the flair, is the gold counteracted by the bright green combined with the exotic sounds and the vegetation everywhere
meager warren
but not all jungles are aztec.
so, aztec stuff /= jungle stuff
uncut vault
I mean, center of aztec culture was on a lake so :p
steel venture
aztecs also lived in yknow
more enviorments than just jungle
meager warren
^
dense plover
holy shit
blood dmg nerfed by half in some places
thats insane
its also probably a good thing. Blood DK is still broken
looks like a decent amount of work has been done on the loraderon scenario based on changes to voice lines, removal of some placeholders and more changes to the map
wonder how close it is to testing
uncut vault
Im still wondering what those massive grey things on the sides of the battlefield are
meager warren
sounds like it could be a mummy or something
dense plover
is dazar the guy zul is trying to rez in ataldazar?
zinc sandal
It is, but is it a dino? That's what I'm wondering.
dense plover
b/c i think he has a model
its not labelled as anyone specific
but its clearly undead from the eyes and nose
uncut vault
thats one cool looking troll
dense plover
and its extremely detailed, which means its no ordinary enemy
zinc sandal
All these new models are giving me life
meager warren
try not to get sick of them a month into playing the expac
zinc sandal
Reminds me of The Mountain, from Game of Thrones
true matrix
zinc sandal
XD
hollow dock
I dont know what you'retalkin about
meager warren
coot
uncut vault
Yeah
strong python
good looking doggo
dense plover
expensive doggo
meager warren
expensive
Not if ur a zandalari troll
dense plover
?
its cheaper than the lightforged mech
technically that mount is 100s of dollars if you use wowtokesn to get gold
i wouldnt, but hypothetically
jade basalt
Tomb Stalker mount http://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/702648.jpg
It's an undead version of the CE mount
meager warren
iwanit
zinc sandal
^
dense plover
well youll be able to get it
its like the highmountain moose fast mount item
or the fast lizard from pandaria
uncut vault
No it isnt?
zinc sandal
So it's some sort of toy?
uncut vault
meager warren
@uncut vault that doesn't say how to get it so how do you know it's not like that?
meager warren
o
uncut vault
Dont think thats void
meager warren
looks like void
zinc sandal
It says Void Wrath
uncut vault
Labeled wicker
zinc sandal
"Void Wrath Low Wicker"
uncut vault
Yeah, it uses the same skeleton as the normal ones
meager warren
which kinda implies it's void
uncut vault
I mean, its the same way water elementals and voidwalkers share skeletons, probably similar in what they are, but different uses and canon magic. I dont think wicker magic is void
unless theres some big reveal behind the hag witches
meager warren
Well, that model and texture above looks a lot like void. It could be different tho
jade basalt
Wicker magic is "druidic death magic" as they explained at Blizzcon.
zinc sandal
It is labeled as a Void creature, but who knows. There are plenty of recycled skeletons out there for different types of mobs.
They explained that?
dense plover
i dont think thats right
no way the collector mount is an actual mount other people can get
zinc sandal
Well, this one’s dead
meager warren
people would be upset regardless
meager warren
"Oh, another raptor mount! Wtf, Blizzard! Have you any imagination?"
zinc sandal
The colors are different, too
dense plover
but its the same model
and for people who paid for the deluxe edition, usually for an exclusive mount
that feels a bit shit
meager warren
yes.
it's the same model.
but look at the WoD collector's edition mount and the Arrakkoa Outcasts mount
meager warren
they'd have been pissed regardless
dense plover
im hoping its just a mixup with wowhead
meager warren
Blizz apparently can't do anything right
dense plover
and its the zany zombie raptor
especially because the zany zombie uses the icon from the raptor collector mount
zinc sandal
Inb4 it’s both lmao
meager warren
that'd be worse
zinc sandal
Me too, but we’ve doubted a lot of things so far and quite a few have come true
uncut vault
probably is both, or the zany zombie hasnt been put in yet, cause the other items like that never have saddles
zinc sandal
All in all, I bought deluxe and don’t care. Great if people can get Mr. Deadino
meager warren
Mr. Deadino?
uncut vault
Im just happy to get to use it alliance side, assuming its connected to a raid
zinc sandal
Goddamnit Arso I believed in you
meager warren
sorry, i'm dense af ;-;
zinc sandal
pets
meager warren
scratches
jade basalt
mrpeach774 - Today at 04:35 i dont think thats right no way the collector mount is an actual mount other people can get theyve never done that people would be very upset
WoD CE's dread raven mount was reskinned into a fel raven for patch 6.2.
subtle flower
Still bangs head into wall no bangs head into table alliance bangs head into desk warfront bangs head into floor plate bangs head into ceiling
steel venture
the kor'kron war wolf was also the basis for literally every WoD wolf model
and that was ""exclusive"" too
also.
grove warden
meet moose mounts.
jade basalt
Though these aren't collector edition mounts
meager warren
bangs head into ceiling
Either your ceiling is short af or you're tall af
hollow dock
I think the only mount I haven't seen reskinned is the Quilen.
meager warren
i bet that'll be reskinned.
or at least re-modeled AND reskinned into a better mount
hollow dock
It's been over four years now.
zinc sandal
For that to happen, we’d have to have some Panda/Mogu/Titan content
steel venture
whenever you've got that neck straight up but it can fly, it's the quilen mount skeleton
dense plover
skeleton vs reskin
a reskin is the same mount with slight changes and a color shift
a new model that uses the same skeleton is to be expected
they arent going to make new skeletons for everything
hollow dock
reskin, repurpose, same difference :v
hollow dock
There are no unique mount skeletons
dense plover
those big wooden creatures in drustvar use the gronn skeleton
hollow dock
how about that
dense plover
but they are a unique model
steel venture
this is why i dont like saying 'reskin'
there is a difference between remodel and retexture.
hollow dock
As I always saw it
meager warren
I think the Lightforged Warframe is a unique model.
So that'd be false as well, @hollow dock
dense plover
^
meager warren
model, skeleton, same thing
dense plover
nothing has a unique skeleton
steel venture
lightforged warframe is a retooling of the sky golem / fel reaver
hollow dock
Not true. The shredders share the same skeleton
meager warren
it's not a shredder tho
hollow dock
Same skeleton
meager warren
the only thing they have in common is they're both mechs.
meager warren
smh
steel venture
its ... literally the felsteel annihilator
with a few more idle animations
and light, instead of fel.
which the felsteel annihilator was based off of the sky golem
hollow dock
For the longest time Invincible used to be a true unique horse in the game. as no other horses shared its frame untilI I think Legion.
When the paladin mounts used it
steel venture
celestial steed, hearthsteed, tyreal's charger, cindermane charger
zinc sandal
How about owlcat?
hollow dock
I stand corrected.
meager warren
http://prntscr.com/ico0xt http://prntscr.com/ico10j i don't see it, dude
