Zandalari Troll Classes - Warrior, Hunter, Rogue, Priest, Shaman, Mage, Warlock, Druid
#beta-ptr-spoilers
steel venture
--why the FUCK would zandalari have warlocks?!!
it barely passes for darkspear barely
there is NO justification for it in zandalari
where tf be my prelates
dense plover
b/c zandalari have been around forever
also, seems that healing touch is gone from Resto affinity for balance
steel venture
trolls aren't really
locks though.
even if they saw WotA we have no real parallel to excuse warlocks for zandalari.
darkspear warlocks at least could be exposed to the other races and mix it with their traditional hexes and witchcraft
dense plover
also, seems that legsweep is definitely baseline
Vulpera and Dark Iron Dwarves were added to the file that contains player and NPC races.
and now my suspicions are increased
hollow dock
now I was wrong last time in saying it but I'll just keep to it. Eventually it'll be right.
I think its just for easier model manipulation than NPC standard modeling.
true matrix
at least you can admit when you're wrong, vris. it's noble.
zinc sandal
HAHAHAHAHAH
true matrix
OH MY GOD A MEOW EMOTE
zinc sandal
??
true matrix
zinc sandal
dense plover
huh
zinc sandal
Oh. I see it now.
dense plover
leech enchants are coming back
man
i might actually need to get my weapons and gear enchanted again
hollow dock
as a raider, if they added in armor enchants of any and all variety, Im required to have em :v
zinc sandal
They buffed SPriests!
hollow dock
FINALLY UPDATED FACELESS MODELS THAT ARENT ACTUALLY FACELESS!!!!!!
Oh yea STM no longer kills you.
I think thats a waste. It should still kill ya
zinc sandal
Not only that. They increased damage to a lot of stuff.
dense plover
The Amber Waves, Stormsong Valley (New) - this is a great name
zinc sandal
But you lose 90% of health
terse patrol
Vulpera race woot
tropic trail
if brown orcs are confirmed for horde, does that mean alliance get vulpera?
or are we stuck with fat people as an allied race?
terse patrol
idk, guess we’ll see
dense plover
vulpera is definitely horde
we will be actively working with them
new orcs would go with kul tirans
dark iron with zandalari
tropic trail
alliance actively worked with all the horde allied races also
so that's not really a good indication
dense plover
yeah, this is different
steel venture
vulpera LITERALLY live on zandalar
dense plover
the two factions have separate continents
steel venture
and will almost exclusively interact with the horde
dense plover
^
tropic trail
nah, end game is the other continent
steel venture
the alliance is most likely going to get sethrak.
dense plover
doubt that
tropic trail
why would we get sethrak over vulpera?
dense plover
sethrakk are the bad guys for everyone
why wouldnt alliance get a race on their continent
thin humans
or wild hammers
and even if alliance get vulpera, what does horde get
tropic trail
brown orcs
dense plover
then what goes with kul tirans?
tropic trail
base customization, like how orcs are getting the ability to stand up straight
dense plover
thats not equivalent
steel venture
kul tirans / draenor orcs are already likely going to be 8.1
dense plover
^
zinc sandal
All of a sudden all races become playable lol
dense plover
thats the equivalent
steel venture
the entire basis of BFA is that it is based off of WC2 / WC3.
dense plover
draenor orcs and vulpera are not equivalent
zinc sandal
I want Tentacle Priests!!
steel venture
Kul tirans clashed with orcs QUITE a bit during WC2 and WC3.
dense plover
OOOOOOOHHHH
tropic trail
ok, so what's the alliance equivalent for vulpera then?
dense plover
the big prison is a dungeon
i dont know
i suggested wild hammer
mostly because they would share a skeleton
steel venture
maybe the new quilboar?
dense plover
doubt that
steel venture
they're apparently on kul tiras.
dense plover
quilboar are the bad guys
tropic trail
I doubt we'd get another dwarf tbh, and they don't look much different than bronzebeard dwarves
dense plover
for everyone
tropic trail
at least not another dwarf so soon
steel venture
brute quilboar have a tauren skeleton. who tf knows anymore
dense plover
vulpera are another goblin essentially
hollow dock
Im telling ya
dense plover
another map update to the wound
hollow dock
goblins that pissed off a fox loa
steel venture
probably them finally using the fox loa.
from WotA
"large ears and an almost gnomish visage."
tropic trail
maybe they've been around since the beginning, I mean pandas didn't actually exist until they said they did.
hollow dock
those need to be evacuated.Theyre scaring the children
tropic trail
well whatever the case, I need to go reserve the name ratchet for more vulpera
hollow dock
That's a face only a mother can gingerly love.
tropic trail
I thought it was pretty much confirmed old god xpac at blizzcon, the first raid is a titan researc facility on old gods
hollow dock
Its never confirmed until you see the substance.
Like for all we know, that raid could have been like HoV.
tropic trail
true
hollow dock
Completely left field, one off and has nothing to do with anything else other than pushing the background story.
hollow dock
at least EN had the excuse of 'Well we cant deal with the Legion until Xavius is dealt with"
tropic trail
I don't think emerald nightmare is too out of place, it just could've been handled better
since it did kinda forshadow some void stuff
dense plover
it forshadowed old god stuff
hollow dock
Oh most certainly. It could have been handled much better.
dense plover
but it forshadowed it so far in advance
tropic trail
old god stuff, not void, my b
hollow dock
It really is on Azeroth
tropic trail
yeah, it could've been handled better for sure tho
hollow dock
Void and Old gods go hand and hand here
hollow dock
also real off topic but I just got my new laptop and oh my god its so fantastic
tropic trail
when I upgraded to a gtx 1070 from a 745 It was amazing
tropic trail
does it change colors?
hollow dock
yes.
its steelseries.
I am in love. For the first time in the 12 years I've played WoW I can see it in Ultra settings.
theres so much grass I never saw. I can't wait to see BFA now
tropic trail
despite not graphically being advanced, wows artstyle lets it stay really nice looking at high settings
hollow dock
Ive onlyever seen the world in low settings.
zinc sandal
Sad
hollow dock
Nah probably not. Tortollans use a model we players dont and their shells just dont allow to be using armor.
Unless they vastly overhaul Tortollans to be similar to any of the current player models (Zandalari being half Night elf and Half troll) I'm doubtful we'll see them as players.
polar mango
If Horde get Vulpera I am faction changing.
tropic trail
yeah, their models look a little too clunky to handle gear
drowsy stone
I can still see armor on them tho
hollow dock
Oh yea but it's special made for the model
drowsy stone
No i mean
hollow dock
Or just the waist. Everything else can't bend properly around the model itself.
drowsy stone
The shell could just go through the armor
tropic trail
I don't think they can wear helmets
hollow dock
Considering the shell is their skin, that'd look to awkward. Only thing I can see in reference is the Tauren hump andeven then, its mostly just the hair sticking out.
tropic trail
or shoes or gloves
when a tuskarr tries to put on a helmet it goes between their feet
if i'm remembering correctly
hollow dock
And they use tuskar models. (A model we players dont use and haven't been updated to handled all the player armor)
tropic trail
and they look to be using a similar skeleton to tuskarr
hollow dock
Like I said, if they do happen to overhaul it, then OK I can see it happening. But until that happens, I just dont think it will.
dense plover
oh
blood god preboss form?
its like the blood god before its all filled with blood
tropic trail
yeah, looks like a skinny version
hollow dock
Phase 1 (first 10 or 15% health) I'd wager
dense plover
oh
hollow dock
or its intermission model and its like Mar'gok all over again
dense plover
i figured we would see it out in the world in quest story stuff
tropic trail
nah, could be like the dungeon xavius and the raid xavius
hollow dock
that too.
dense plover
and then we go to the raid and see the big one
yeah, xavius is a decent comparrison
hollow dock
Yea I could see that.
tropic trail
or it could be a different worm
tropic trail
jk, it's called bloodgodworm
drowsy stone
Could just be spawnlings from the bloodgod
dense plover
so the brig
that area i had a pic of
the prison off tiragarde sound
that isnt called the brig anymore
its called Tol Dagor
so it literally is the dungeon
uncut vault
theyre probably just add models, like the not-squigs
hollow dock
Tol Barad 2.0
dense plover
man, there are a lot of islands
i hope the system is fun
maybe if its good it will be carried on as a content system in some shape or form
drowsy stone
The brown orc allied race are horde right?
hollow dock
no one knows
polar mango
When they announce mythic dungeons for legion I started a countdown to diablo-like randomized dungeons.
dense plover
seems like professions might be different for each continent too
hollow dock
I still think it was Ion joking but we'll have to wait and seem.
dense plover
Inscription - Kul'Tiras Inscription
hollow dock
Oh god. Diablo dungeons in this game would not be fun
jade basalt
“The king is finished! Zandalar has a new ruler now!”
olive mirage
it seems theres a voice line for dark iron dwarves where they say "Not enough Pain"
dense plover
new languages
polar mango
Randomizing dungeon runs? Would be awesome.
olive mirage
pain is the demon hunter resource??????
dense plover
also, if this is the first actual build, i expect new music
olive mirage
dark iron demon hunter???
polar mango
Not the dungeons themselves obviously, but the content inside.
hollow dock
You never know. But so far its not looking like they will outreach the DH. Might just be recorded just in case they ever do decide to do it
dense plover
well
nzoth it is then
first section
old god spells
servant of nzoth and service of nzoth
guess it is what we expectecd
jade basalt
It seems to me that there's one type of n'raqi for each old god color-wise : c'thun, yshaarj, yogg, nzoth, https://i.imgur.com/ahJtqwK.png
dense plover
damn
they were hinting at zandalar way back at the beginning of legion
there was one on the azshara island
oh shit
olive mirage
yeah, a zandalari troll and a kul tiran guard are stranded in azuna
dense plover
you remember how i theorized that the structure that the ToS was built on was nzoths prison?
what if is one of the seals for the old god place instead
and that place is actually the basis of nzoth's prison
maybe
hollow dock
That wouldn't make much sense. Unless it originally was N'zoths prison and he was moved.
jade basalt
@drowsy stone Vulpera were put in the character races file, which by itself doesn't mean much however they have allied races-type of data, and it points them for Horde
drowsy stone
So would that mean that horde and alliance get 2 more allied races?
dense plover
have i ever mentioned i love being right?
this was from when we got the Kul tiras armor leak
jade basalt
@drowsy stone According to my source Kul Tiran & Draenor orcs are guaranteed, that's all we know so far.
dense plover
i was looking for my nzoth theory and found that
copper tapir
They discussed adding more races as time goes on, and Vulpira would be a good way to keep the attention of a younger crowd. I know my daughter would play the game if it had something like that.
dense plover
well draenor orcs ofc
dense plover
draenor orcs were brought up in the QA
zinc sandal
Is thin human included in Kul Tiran?
dense plover
dont think so
tropic trail
kul tirans are cool tbh
drowsy stone
If it's true, then Kul Tirans would be the counterpart for Draenor Orcs
zinc sandal
Oh well
dense plover
they have far less customization
tropic trail
thin humans look gross
dense plover
that too
drowsy stone
What would the vulpera counterpart be?
hollow dock
No one knows. Which is why nothings been said Id assume
hollow dock
the thin humans would be Kul'tirans. So they and the new orcs get added
tropic trail
stop being mean to these lanky boys
drowsy stone
Gib fat humans
hollow dock
I think people are just happy at the concept of 'I no longer have to be the incredible hulk'
drowsy stone
Female humans are already thin enough
tropic trail
not really
tropic trail
just pick male undead for the female lanky kultirans
female humans are actually fairly average/slightly large
drowsy stone
Unless you want anorexic females
jade basalt
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/323545815538991124/410578544343777292/IMG_20180207_023221.jpg
dense plover
sort of unrelated btw, but there was a post on reddit earlier about gallywix being the king of diamonds
it made a valid point
tropic trail
nice dark iron dwarf undies
dense plover
damn
hollow dock
You know what, that fits.
dense plover
dat beard
copper tapir
Their voice lines are awesome too. I hope they can be monks.
dense plover
yeah
polar mango
Iron underoos.
hollow dock
Gallywix controls the Azerite mines
tropic trail
I want to be a DK
polar mango
Firm support.
dense plover
especially if azerite ends up being old god blood
tropic trail
but it wont happen
dense plover
most likely yes
copper tapir
IDK why Dark Iron and Zandalari couldn't be DK.
dense plover
there was a theory about it being old god blood
jade basalt
tropic trail
they were both around at the time... in theory anyway
proud karma
its mom
hollow dock
I swear I remember Magni telling is that's where Azerite came from
tropic trail
im so shook at calling female humans sligthly large. theyre like healthy body type, if not a little skinnier
hollow dock
and the blues said it's the blood of Azeroth
proud karma
WAIT DIRON
dense plover
it would be a good twist, but its probably simpler to just stick with that
proud karma
also yeah the human woman's arms cant get any smaller lol
proud karma
look at one next to an undead. no difference
hollow dock
You'd imagine their glutes are strong enough to crush melons
polar mango
Their commitment to these models means we're not getting an overhaul anytime soon.
tropic trail
compared to the men, sure they're pretty small, but compared to real life, I think they're average
hollow dock
Considering human females often swing swords around three times their size
tropic trail
do you live in stereotypical starving africa
hollow dock
their arms do not fit
drowsy stone
Btw
hollow dock
no I live in florida and everyone down here is either obese or a twig
theres no inbetween
drowsy stone
Do we know where tortollans are?
hollow dock
Yea on the beaches of the new islands were getting
zinc sandal
Azerite will end up being C’Thun’s blood. Magni’s never heard Azeroth, it was always the Old Gods whispering in his ear.
tropic trail
and the islands
drowsy stone
I could see them on both
tropic trail
and technically ungoro
zinc sandal
It’s a crazy theory I do not necessarily believe, but there you go.
hollow dock
We see him go into the titan facilities. There's no way they managed to trick those scanners into thinking their influence wasn't void spawned.
and since we do see him conversing with Argus, or at least hearing his screams of agony,
jade basalt
I mean, Loken was corrupted by Yogg and he still had access to everything
hollow dock
its very safe to assume that it is just Azeroth.
Loken purposefully changed all of Ulduar to let Yoggy roam free though.
and even then, he had to get rid of the halls. So his reach was limited to only Ulduar.
tropic trail
azerite is probably the blood of azeroth, but now the heart of azeroth, the artifact necklace, we can go wild speculate on what that really is
jade basalt
The point is Loken had access to everything inside Ulduar, and he was corrupted. So if Magni was corrupted (which I don't personally believe), there's no reason to assume he'd be blocked and denied entry immediately.
dense plover
so, seems like the undermine is taking place at least partially on a jungle colvano island thing
zinc sandal
Agreed.
jade basalt
It's Kezan.
zinc sandal
I just pulled it out of my ass and wanted to share
jade basalt
Undermine is on Kezan.
It was supposed to get rekt by the volcano in the goblin starting experience but apparently not
hollow dock
That's tru.
hollow dock
well it gets covered in lava. Lava eventually hardens over and just becomes rock
dense plover
a lot more detail was added
still not finished
but its being actively worked on which makes sense
also
atal dazar is now integrated into the world
there is a path from zandalar
dense plover
also
nazmir is even more polished
again, probably one of the first zones they are testing
lordaeron scenario has changed
brill is no longer completely gone
its now partially burned
zinc sandal
Thank C’Thun
polar mango
Any C'Time.
zinc sandal
That was terrible lol
polar mango
😃
hollow dock
I wish for you to beg forgiveness to the trees outside for the oxygen you stole to make that pun. >:C
polar mango
Gonna block you now for telling me to kill myself.
hollow dock
Alright?
tropic trail
haters, you can't appreciate true comedy.
jade basalt
Image comparison of the update to the Battle for Lordaeron scenario's map https://i.imgur.com/WfkupBx.png https://i.imgur.com/mv4MFgl.png
hollow dock
Oh wow. that looks nice.
tropic trail
that zone got messed up
polar mango
Sweet.
zinc sandal
Except that those ships look bigger than Lordaeron lol
tropic trail
so much for us taking it back
hollow dock
that's certainly why Brill isnt usable now.
jade basalt
Anduin = Arthas
hollow dock
thats not anduins doing
jade basalt
Pulled a Dead Scar 2.0
hollow dock
thats the horde.
jade basalt
That's the Alliance invading Lordaeron
tropic trail
yeah
hollow dock
yea the scaring is plague my bet.
tropic trail
the alliance did this, im just wondering how, and why
hollow dock
or blight as they call it.
civic saffron
FOR THE AZERITE
hollow dock
The invasion of Undercity is because of the Burning of Teldrassil
now what happened with Teldrassil
we dont know
tropic trail
but there's no azeerite there, and if we're going to reclaim lordaeron, why are we salting and burning the land?
hollow dock
what we do know is that the banshee queendeploys the blight against the alliance
she has us setting up blight bombs everywhere.
civic saffron
sounds like it might have been nathanos' doing to teldrassil
hollow dock
And as you see, after the invasion is over and alliance wins,blight is no where to be seen.
jade basalt
Where did you see that ?
hollow dock
Yet, suddenly theres a big bunch of dead land, which blight is knownthe leave behind, after the horde pulls out.
jade basalt
What
hollow dock
The two maps,
civic saffron
blight might still be in gilneas
jade basalt
That map is not "after the invasion is over"
It's during
There isn't 2 maps, there's just 1.
Two screens because it's a before/after update, they updated the initial map.
They updated the zone.
But it's still the same map/scenario.
It just wasn't complete.
hollow dock
the outside zone. Post scenario? Like with theramore?
tropic trail
so now that lordaeron has fallen, what's keeping the alliance from just marching up to silvermoon? they have 0 defenses
jade basalt
Dark iron males got access to ear and nose rings it seems.
hollow dock
So whats the scenario map look like?
jade basalt
@hollow dock Scenario map https://i.imgur.com/mv4MFgl.png
hollow dock
So then whats the updated zone map
tropic trail
duh green, no flying
uncut vault
anyone have a link to that map viewer site? I seem to have lost it
jade basalt
@hollow dock In the first build the map looked like this, it wasn't complete. https://i.imgur.com/WfkupBx.png
Now they just finished it, this is the real version. https://i.imgur.com/mv4MFgl.png
tropic trail
i wonder what classes vulperans will be able to be
uncut vault
none, because theres no indication theyre gonna be playable
uncut vault
being a character/player model just means you support player gear
jade basalt
These were cauldrons already there before Alliance arrived
tropic trail
which is a good indication that they'll be playable at this point in time
i mean they usually dont do that but go on
with allied races being a thing
jade basalt
Vulperas got tails now https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/323545815538991124/410587774685806594/VulperaTail.jpg
hollow dock
but then why are there roads leading to the alliance boats?
uncut vault
vrykul are also marked as player/character models
tropic trail
I am not a fan of the tails
uncut vault
frost and jungle trolls too
civic saffron
tails from sonic lol
tropic trail
youre just afraid of the furry takeover 😏
its okay
but those weren't added during BfA/legion
hollow dock
Its why i say they mostly likely got marked that way just to be able to manipulate them easier
uncut vault
new vrykul models were added in Legion.
tropic trail
they'll be playable, a sizable chunck of the community has been begging for it
civic saffron
vulpera if and when added should be like pandas neutral but likely cause of the possible ally ones they will be horde
tropic trail
great work porter, glad you have eyes
uncut vault
The difference between player/character models and playable characters in the files is customization screens
hollow dock
The community has been begging for playable tuskar since WotLK.
That doesn't mean anything :v
same with the Ethereals.
uncut vault
the reason people speculated on the subraces in 7.3 is because the four now released had customization screens attached
hollow dock
Heck dragons too.
uncut vault
vulpera have none
tropic trail
port brings up a good point, vrykul have the potential to be the alliance equivalent for vulpera
hollow dock
But theyre not tied to the story at all. .-.
civic saffron
dragons for hunters as pets nuff said
tropic trail
so?
uncut vault
all this is exactly what I feared about allied races and subraces
tropic trail
neither are highmountain, nightborne, or lightforged at this point
hollow dock
Allied races have to get tied to the story in some way.
uncut vault
now every model for all time is going to be speculated on nonsensically
hollow dock
Yes they are. THey return to the main land with us
tropic trail
they've given hunters literally everything else so why not
hollow dock
Same port.
uncut vault
ZOMG NEW BLOOD GOD MODEL???!!!! PLAYABLE BLOOD GODS?!?!?!
tropic trail
porter theres an entire storyline hordeside for getting chummy with vulperans
dont try me elf binch
uncut vault
We got chummy with the vrykul in Legion, they had marked player models
tropic trail
why would they add playable mantids in an expansion with a new race
uncut vault
playable grummles when??!?!?!
tropic trail
i dont want vrykul so idk
civic saffron
they'd do murlocs before grummles
uncut vault
blood trolls are also marked as player/character models. Are they going to be an allied race?
hollow dock
Playable murlocs when?
tropic trail
the vulperan are literally nomad adventurey people
civic saffron
yeah murlocs are the biggest when next to naga
uncut vault
Im not. Id be fine with them
tropic trail
then why are you complaining so much?
uncut vault
Just saying theres 0 indication theyre becoming playable
hollow dock
He's getting salty about the overreaching y'all are doing when there's clearly no information other than they are marked as player models
polar mango
Wonder what they sound like.
hollow dock
Which there are a lot of races that are marked as player models but never get given to us
tropic trail
but like ive been talking about them being an allied race canidate since i saw them
uncut vault
if we do get surprise vulpera allied race in 8.1 or whatever, I'd probably be happy, because I like short races.
hollow dock
and i bet they sound likethose annoying Palicos from MHW
uncut vault
But theyre as likely to be playable as the vanilla forest troll model
hollow dock
making cat puns every chance they get.
tropic trail
then have fun speculating with us not complaining that we want them
hollow dock
yer not speculating
youre saying its a garuntee
that's the annoying bit
cuz people check in andsee that out of context
tropic trail
their fault
hollow dock
then suddenly it starts a wildfire of misinformation
tropic trail
k guys, no more speculating in here then
hollow dock
just note that you're speculating
Dont say 'it'll happen' say 'it is very likely to happen'.
hollow dock
god please no I have to deal with palicos enough
tropic trail
everything in this chat should be taken with a grain of salt, it's datamined, alpha info
hollow dock
Not everyone knows that
copper tapir
khajiit have the wares if you have the coin.
tropic trail
then that's those peoples problem
hollow dock
If everyone knows that, then yea. I'd agree with ya
polar mango
Which is kinda BS because Worgen never got a proper howl.
tropic trail
((goes in beta chat)) this is all set in stone content . no way anyone might talk about what theyd like to see
can't you howl as a worgen when running wild?
hollow dock
It's also ours if we dont want a thousand new questions popping up about things that aren't going to happen. I say just be careful in how you say things.
polar mango
Only as a mount special.
civic saffron
still think that gnomes should get druid class for baby bears saplings kittens and baby boomers
polar mango
But not like a good one.
tropic trail
gnomes would get mech forms
would be sick
gnomes are like the least likely race to be druids aside from goblins but id like to see weird gnomes who are hippies
polar mango
Tinker class please. ❤
copper tapir
The sky's the limit with new races.
tropic trail
like robot animal petts?
hollow dock
It really isnt Yuda D=
civic saffron
yes you can growl 2 different ways in running wild the stand still and usual growl
hollow dock
and not really. Lightforged Draenei use the Draenei skeleton.
civic saffron
the vulpera use the goblin models
hollow dock
The zandalari are a mix of Night elf top, troll bottom. Dark Iron use the Dark Iron.
copper tapir
Can you back that up, Vris?
civic saffron
yeah most heroics right now so easily soloable
hollow dock
You can see it in game
copper tapir
Sounds like that's speculation
polar mango
I hope the vulpera have pirate accents.
tropic trail
yeah, don't zandalari just use night elf skeletons?
hollow dock
half and half
tropic trail
not if youre like the most underpowered awful outlaw rogue ever
hollow dock
their bottom half uses the troll but top half uses night elf.
civic saffron
straight backed trolls are currently the tallest playable race
hollow dock
@dense plover Show em the zandalari thing you found. You were the one who said theyre using two halves.
tropic trail
because trolls don't stand up straight, so I'm not sure how that would work
a backbrace
for the half and half skeleton
hollow dock
Like I said, their top half uses the Night elf skeletonbut their bottom half uses troll.
copper tapir
What existing PC model do straight back orcs use?
civic saffron
the orcs will need a triple backbrace
hollow dock
modified thrall I think.
civic saffron
maybe even a girdle too
hollow dock
Saurfang uses the same one.
hollow dock
thats taken heavily out of context.
dense plover
im not sure i was the one that said that
but its fairly clear
the top half uses night elf animations
bottom troll
and then they have a few custom ones
hollow dock
cuz apparently Yuda says all of the Allied races all use the same skeleton
dense plover
and some smoothed out stuff done
copper tapir
That post is making a strong case that they have a more-or-less universal skeleton that they're working with. Which would make sense for the class combat animation changes in Legion.
tropic trail
but how would that work? trolls have bent knees, zandalari dont
dense plover
essentially they redid the animation system to work for all the various skeletons
and some people are misunderstanding it
copper tapir
Or they're using one skeleton that's more malleable.
stone sigil
does that character tag mean that vulpera will be playable or is it possible theyre still npc only
hollow dock
Its understandable. the skeleton of the troll player is obviously the exact same as the human skeleton
jade basalt
To me it looks like the "new faceless" just had their shell-face-thingy removed https://i.imgur.com/cNr38oD.png https://i.imgur.com/7Xhs9Si.png
dense plover
its how the animation system has been changed to work
skeletons tell the model where to be
you can load models on other skeletons
but that doesnt mean thats how they all work
tropic trail
sorry, we're not allowed to talk about vulpera here
hollow dock
Maybe its because they're working for N'zoth.
Like, until now, we've seen Faceless ones that are bred for conflict with other races. What if now, N'zoth hasn't had his army fighting.
tropic trail
30 minutes in queue for a wq dungeon ...
olive mirage
i mean, with them being added to the CharRace table, using a pre-existing skeleton, and their prevailanence in the new expac, its entirely possible Vulpera will be an allied race, the real question is for which faction 
tropic trail
its cata all over again
hollow dock
Oh yea we aren't saying its not possible
We're saying its unlikely.
Everything for all of time has a 50/50 chance of happening.
tropic trail
well definetly for horde unless the vulpera decide the only faction to approach them sucks
olive mirage
imagine if they released a neutral allied race
tropic trail
alliance interact with them too at end game
the other factions conteninent is your factions end game zone
zones
ofc alliance are zoophiles 🙄
sigh
olive mirage
i mean alliance has worgen
hollow dock
we only have 1 furry race tho.
plucky garden
Wolves, Foxes, and Bears, Oh my...
tropic trail
their grubby hands better not touch vulperans
hollow dock
Horde has had theirs longer
dense plover
allied races will not be neutral
tropic trail
actually, horde have more animal races with highmountain
hollow dock
^
dense plover
the whole purpose of allied races is recruiting for your faction
so they will always be tied to a faction
olive mirage
blizz announces a new allied race thats an animal and everyone loses their mind, nobody pays attention to the giant humanoid cows that have been in the game since vanilla
dense plover
look
hollow dock
LET ME GET A LINK FOR YOU
tropic trail
I can see allied races beyond BfA possibly being neutral tho
hollow dock
CUZ YOU JUST REMINDED ME
dense plover
we can want new races that arent allied races
tropic trail
after the fation war thing is done
dense plover
thats fine
olive mirage
i mean, theres pirate vulpera, they could be not tied to a single faction
dense plover
but the entire purpose of the allied race system is faction races
olive mirage
like pandaren, they choose who they support
dense plover
specifically faction subraces
hollow dock
allied races are meant to be factions pecific
tropic trail
the purpose of allied races is unlockable races
hollow dock
specific*
tropic trail
im going to go insane listening to the darkmoon carousal music. why is that considered a sound effect and not music
olive mirage
vris doesnt know anything about the new expansion 
nobody does
so everything is speculation
dense plover
the entire purpose is that the race is tied to story and then be recruited, allying with a specific faction
hollow dock
The purpose of allied races is you go out and recruit a much smaller race into your faction. (Lightforged, Void Elves for the alliance.)
olive mirage
we dont know until it actually happens
dense plover
we can get new races, including neutral, without them being allied races
hollow dock
Highmountain and Nightborne for the horde.
Its in the description of allied races on their website
dense plover
^
hollow dock
You specifically recruit them for your faction in this pointless faction war
tropic trail
its a video game
hollow dock
a video game we're passionate about and so we keep feudding over
tropic trail
the point of BfA is faction pride, the point of allied races is to have unlockable races, but because of the context this batch is faction specific, nothing says they can't be neutral in the future after BfA
hollow dock
Allied races being unlockable races isnt their point
its not context
its literally on the website
dense plover
specifically they are targeted at being faction specific
the entire purpose is to fill subraces, and also to give the different factions, different races
oooo
some of the VO from other stuff is in this build
i know its not wowhead or mmo-champ
but its clearly real audio
this channel has more
hollow dock
thats nice. Hearthstone team is giving the WoW team some stuff in return
dense plover
oh my god
i just realized
no more harpies
im so excited
i hope sirens sound different
hollow dock
no harpies?
dense plover
dont think so
i think we have sirens and witches
but no more harpies in BfA
i hate harpies
theyre so annoying
hollow dock
theyre my birb ladies tho
dense plover
lol
lol
i think there are two hippos as a boss maybe
or something
the VO makes a hungry hungry hippos joke
some zandalari VO
sounds like some type of african accent, possibly south african
vs the more jamaican vo of the normal trolls
hollow dock
Oh yea that sounds just like Doomfist.
drowsy stone
Incoming dead meme reference
dense plover
its still interesting to hear the VO considering how we havent heard any really
tropic trail
ive known quite a few south africans and their accent is more european for some obvious reasons
dense plover
because white people from south africa are british
thats the history of that country
and the accent rubbed off on some
tropic trail
exactly
hollow dock
that'd be fantastic
hollow dock
God I hope that meme gets immortalized
dense plover
/facepalm
yes, because a ugandan meme that the ugandan film maker likes is racist
the guy whose movie the meme references thinks its funny
tropic trail
its not racist but like, the only person i know that makes the joke is my 13 year old brother and i work at a school
please dont blizzard
uncut vault
Not gonna have the full argument here, but yes. One ugandan liking it doesnt make it fine.
dense plover
the only people who find it racist are people who are looking for racism in everything
and again
tropic trail
because noone could totally use "ugandan accent haha" for any racist reason, right
dense plover
you can make a joke about something without it being the exact joke
hollow dock
tbh Ive yet to see a ugandan be offended by it. I've only seen white people be offended for them
dense plover
wow originally had trolls having a reference to smoke two joints
tropic trail
ive seen a ugandan be offended by it
dense plover
that got removed because of the rating
tropic trail
if you dont know ugandan people you wont 🤔
tropic trail
so was pepe, but im not really disagreeing with you as much as the fact people HAVE used it to be racist
uncut vault
"hah its just a joke man" is the most generic racist excuse ever
dense plover
its like saying "Ill be back" is racist because it makes fun of austrians
tropic trail
austrians arent a race
dense plover
do you not?
what makes ugandans a race vs all africans then?
should i generalize for all of europe? but not for africa?
tropic trail
im laughing so hard wtf
dense plover
why the fuck does that make sense in your mind?
uncut vault
If people cant see the racism in a ugandan clucking and looking for a queen, theres no use explaining it.
dense plover
that part is
hollow dock
So wait are austrians not a race of people?
tropic trail
countries arent a race, theyre a people group
uncut vault
If it were just the accent and the quote itd be fine
dense plover
hungarians
uncut vault
but it isnt
hollow dock
Well to be fair port
drowsy stone
Guys, shut the hell up and go talk about racism somewhere else
hollow dock
thats not specific to UgandanKnuckles.
dense plover
^
hollow dock
that's from an even older meme by Forsen and his chat that people took to Ugandan Knuckles
tropic trail
lol im not even going to discuss this, if youre dumb enough to think race means what country you live in youre not even worth talking to
dense plover
the meme itself, the "do you know de way? I do not know de way" that is funny and is a joke about a movie quote
hollow dock
"Look at me. I am the captain now." is another one.
dense plover
^
jade basalt
Peach I think you're confusing races with ethnic groups or nations. There's only one human race, it's called "the human race".
drowsy stone
Guys this is the BfA channel, not the "Determine if Ugandan Knuckles is racist" channel
dense plover
we arent
hollow dock
I suppose youre new here Wabbit
dense plover
we are talking about having a meme as a joke
hollow dock
this is tame compared to the past few days
dense plover
because it is the kind of thing blizz has historically attempted
hollow dock
cuz this is still related to Zandalari might be getting a meme as their joke
dense plover
again, i point to the troll - i kill two dwarves joke
though sadly that was removed
b/c of the game's rating
and the fact that weed is schedule 1 in the US
hollow dock
I mean heck. Draenei talk about beating and cooking gnomes
drowsy stone
I highly doubt they would add a Ugandan knuckles meme to their game
hollow dock
Theres a possibility though and that's what started it all
dense plover
^
drowsy stone
Yea because Ugandan Knuckles will still be fresh and new in the 3rd quarter of this year
dense plover
if it were to happen, it would probably be "I keep having all these people asking me about "The Way", do you know what they are talking about?"
dense plover
or it could even be a click joke on guards
like if you click them a bunch and they say something dumb
especially because trying to find your way, and "The Way" is a decent pun in it of itself
hollow dock
Yea like the worgen I think threaten you or the humans get angry. cuz ya know
blizz likes their poke stuff
'Me no that type of orc'
dense plover
thats probably where it will end up
dense plover
actually i think its just a sex joke
but thats where they put dated culutral references
like the tpaartos game of thrones reference
hollow dock
This game is a dated cultural reference
hollow dock
Hes the draenei you help become Lightforged I think
but he turns void or something like that
tropic trail
lol i just cant get over "austrians are a race"
gray finch
OOH
dense plover
if you click him a bunch he says something in reference to Hodor and that thing in that scene i dont want to spoil
gray finch
i completly forgotten
gray finch
true
dense plover
theres a scene where hodor is defending and stuff and says Hold the Door
and he says it a bunch while being mind controlled until his mind turns mush
and it turns into Hodor
hollow dock
Oh yea thats right. Hodors death scene
dense plover
theres a twopairashoes to tpaartos bit in his click audio
or something like that
two pair of toes
->
tpaartos
again
dated culutral reference
will it be funny 10 years from now?
probably not for most
the same could be said of a "The Way" joke
tropic trail
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dense plover
its the kind of thing they would probably put in a poke audio bit, or an achieve
Kenzie
tropic trail
id be fine with da way but really.. clicking??
dense plover
if you are just going to troll, im going to block you
hollow dock
One million years of Evolution vs My fist
dense plover
we discussed this
tropic trail
you think austrian is a race, shut up lol
dense plover
just a reference to the way
not the clicking
the clicking is a separate meme that has merged with it
hollow dock
Yea.
dense plover
as i said earlier
if it were to happen, it would probably be "I keep having all these people asking me about "The Way", do you know what they are talking about?"
hollow dock
that's come from Forsen and his chat of degenerates on Twitch
hollow dock
like how the pandaren are confused on what 'Badonkadonk' is
dense plover
"I do know the way"
hollow dock
andthat was added YEARS after that was relevant
hollow dock
Theres also sexist jokes.
dense plover
because they are jokes
hollow dock
But we dont care. cuz theyre funny
dense plover
jokes arent intended to offend
they are offered to be funny
if you find a joke offensive, you are taking it to seriously. outside of a few exceptions
again, holocaust jokes are a no no
jokes about wars are generally not okay
hollow dock
or natural disasters.
dense plover
and jokes about straight up racism are bad as well
well
yeah
natural disaster jokes dont work
anything that resulted in death is generally not good joke material
with exceptions
hollow dock
Except for tide pods for whatever reason
dense plover
that jokes actually hilarious
dense plover
the purpose of the joke is the "What? Too Soon?"
not the joke itself
its what makes it so smart
hollow dock
its return banter
dense plover
im pretty sure Seinfeld had a few of those
terse patrol
Dark Iron supremacy.
hollow dock
The idea is a night elf made fun of him being underground so he returns with a proper retort
drowsy stone
I guess you could say he burned them
dense plover
we dont know
we have 1 class
paladins
all the others are unknown
shaman is possible i guess
but only fire would really make sense
terse patrol
we should get it
dense plover
they dont exactly commune with the other elements
hollow dock
its possible but I dont think they will
dense plover
me neither
terse patrol
The Horde's getting two druid races.
hollow dock
Considering these Dark Irons enslaved the elementals and are seperated off from Moiras dark irons
for now
true matrix
I can't believe I missed someone saying nationality and race are the exact same thing
hollow dock
I mean. it works for ugandans.
terse patrol
p sure wildhammers were shamans before the rest, might be wrong
hollow dock
Well its a theory about the past.
There are some accounts that point to him being a shaman but so many more pointing to him being a warlock
We'll never actually know cuz we killed his ghost Im fairly sure
terse patrol
It's certainly not a given, but the potential's there.
They seem to be wanted by the community, so it may be likely they'll make them a race.
hollow dock
Ornyx Community Manager 1368 posts
10 min ago
As we mentioned when race information for Lightforged Draenei and Void Elves was datamined during development of Patch 7.3, we’ve found that setting up certain races as though they were player characters can be highly advantageous for NPC customization in story content. While those races did become Allied Races later, we still intend to use this approach for non-playable races.
Please don’t take a race being datamined in this way as an indication that it will become playable in the future! :)
For those who dont want to click the link
Which is consistent for how they've handled all the more customizable races in the past. Like drakkari, Vrykul, etc.
zinc sandal
Bahahahah
jade basalt
Please don’t take a race being datamined in this way as an indication that it will become playable in the future! :smiley:```I'd say IF they were added, Horde should get them. Because the Horde could use a some more counter balance to the Forsaken and their edge.
zinc sandal
All your furry dreams, broken
hollow dock
Sadly
drowsy stone
But did he directly confirm vulpera won't be a playable race?
dense plover
I didn’t say race and ethnicity were the same
They aren’t
But ethnicity and race often overlap
Technically, all of austrohungaria are one race and several ethnicities
jade basalt
You did say so https://i.imgur.com/6epPblc.png
But I think it's better to put this aside than continue rehashing it for days
dense plover
But for the purpose of racism vs not racism, I was saying Austria was a race when I meant ethnicity
I mixed a word up
But the purpose of the conversation was still solid
A quote from a movie isn’t racist
The other shit associated with the the way meme is
hollow dock
cuz ya know. Forsenbois
dense plover
^
dense plover
austrohungarian isnt a nationality though
thats an ethnicity
but what do you do with great britian
each of those nations is very different ethnically
tropic trail
chavs
dense plover
welsh are pict, irish and scottish descend from celts
jade basalt
It's called "ethnic groups"
Dark Iron racials :
NEW Dungeon Delver While indoors, move 4% faster.
NEW Mass Production Items crafted by Blacksmithing are created twice as quickly.
NEW Mole Machine While outdoors, summon a Mole Machine that tunnels through the earth.
NEW Fireblood Increases primary stat by 100.
NEW Fireblood Removes all poison, disease, curse, magic, and bleed effects and increases your primary stat by 100 for each effect removed. Lasts 8 sec.
Hm.
NEW Forged in Flames Reduces damage taken from Physical attacks by 1%.
jade basalt
Yup. Except for the mole machine I guess.
tropic trail
while indoors, move 4% faster
jade basalt
Sounds like it, not sure.
tropic trail
im going to cry i need to go as fast as possible
olive mirage
where is this racial passive info coming from?
zinc sandal
Mole Machine seems to be a "dash" racial
hollow dock
datamining, Slayer.
zinc sandal
Here
hollow dock
Not that i know. Quiet, Port and some others here do their own datamining.
true matrix
@tropic trail it's called adam and eve not banter with steve
meager warren
no, it's Alex and Eve, not Adam and Eve