@hollow dock exactly
#beta-ptr-spoilers
worthy jolt
worthy minnow
who doesnt like sylvanas
dense plover
It’s a worthless target
worthy jolt
that's why the horde attacked first
dense plover
What?
sullen dagger
theres a reason
ruby prawn
@worthy jolt the tree was probably burned by some rebel fordaken
dense plover
Probably
worthy minnow
yea
hollow dock
But no one knows who did the burning of Teldrassil
worthy minnow
The what they called em
dense plover
^
worthy minnow
i forgot
sullen dagger
and the reason might be that teldrassil is the closest point to azeroth
(the tital)
dense plover
it isnt
ruby prawn
The unreleased book hints at that
sullen dagger
titan*
dense plover
It isn’t omake
sullen dagger
and where n'zoth was
dense plover
Also no
hollow dock
N'zoth wasn't near teldrassil
sullen dagger
huh
dense plover
Nzoth is near broken isles and Kul Tiras
hollow dock
Quite opposite to that.
sullen dagger
who was there?
worthy minnow
nzoth is near Kultiras yea
dense plover
In the ocean
hollow dock
No one
sullen dagger
in teldrassil was one of the old gods
dense plover
No
sullen dagger
which the titans ripped apart
dense plover
No
worthy jolt
@ruby prawn so you're saying that because the horde started mining azerite the alliance just started a full war against the whole horde, while not considering the events of the undercity and teldrassil?
hollow dock
teldrassil was just a floating island that Fandral force planted a world tree.
sullen dagger
shit thats right
hollow dock
Mondel
worthy jolt
what
ruby prawn
@worthy jolt No.
sullen dagger
i was confusing places
hollow dock
We attack the horde in Silithus FAR BEFORE teldrassil and undercity
dense plover
^
worthy minnow
@worthy jolt horde burned Teldrasill ALly got UC and yea thats why
hollow dock
we specifically go there to interupt their mining operations
hollow dock
that's it
worthy jolt
@hollow dock that's not a reason to open a war
dense plover
The sundering
hollow dock
We didn't go to war with them
dense plover
Yes
ruby prawn
The war started because some rebel forsaken burned teldrasil
hollow dock
I have no idea where you're getting that
dim flower
Okay
worthy jolt
@ruby prawn that can't be true
worthy minnow
lel 😄
ruby prawn
@worthy jolt read the demo of the incoming book
worthy jolt
k wait a sec
ruby prawn
"before the storm"
hollow dock
We don't know if it started because of that Exo
that is a theory
do not push it as fact
ruby prawn
It says there that some Forsaken are banding against Sylvanas
dense plover
Okay. Look. Horde goes to silithus to mine azerite. It’s their continent, that’s their right. Alliance attacks to stop them from getting it. Sylvanas wants to use azerite to attack stormwind. Sometime between that and BfA, teldrassil is burned, we don’t know who or why
hollow dock
There is a council of forsaken running undercity in Sylvanas' stead
dense plover
Then the siege of undefcity is a retaliation
ruby prawn
Against her will
dense plover
They don’t like her leadership
ruby prawn
Silithus isn't in hordes continent
dense plover
They may want to burn teldrassil
dim flower
If we know all of this
dense plover
Yes it is
dim flower
Why don’t we warn our faction leaders
dense plover
Silithus is Kalimdor
dim flower
Before it happens
hollow dock
Because we dont
dense plover
It’s the main horde continent
hollow dock
we know it as third party observers
ruby prawn
Silithus is in the Eastern kingdoms
dense plover
No it isnt
dim flower
I know I’m kidding lol
hollow dock
Silithus is Kalmindor
dim flower
Silithus is in Pandaria
dense plover
^
dim flower
lol
dense plover
....
hollow dock
Where C'thun is
worthy minnow
hahha 😄
dense plover
yep
ruby prawn
Holy shit
dense plover
but yeah, alliance clearly attacks first
ruby prawn
I thought silithus was strangle thorn
dense plover
And then something happens with teldrassil
hollow dock
lel
ruby prawn
It's pretty clear who burns it
hollow dock
We have theories but nothing is concrete until Golden releases her book
dense plover
It’s not like her
dense plover
Yeah it isn’t that simple
ruby prawn
It is. Sylvanas wants to attack Stormwind. Why would she attack teldrasil
hollow dock
It could be the Twilight's Hammer trying to instigate a war for their master N'zoth to feast off of
dense plover
The whole surprise of the book is who burns that damn tree maybe
Well yeah
We know it isn’t her
That doesn’t automatically make it the desolate council
hollow dock
it might be Sylvanas, but this isn't her style of how to go and she wants to attack Stormwind. Which is several months travel from Teldrassil lore wise.
ruby prawn
Exactly
hollow dock
It could be the desolate council, wanting to remove Sylvanas and framing her as a true monster.
dense plover
Maybe a kidney
hollow dock
BUT
ruby prawn
I would give my life for it
hollow dock
None of this is concrete and they all have supporting arguments for and against them
ruby prawn
The info wasnt given to us for no reason
dense plover
It could be a setup by Genn, it could be wrathion, it could be the desolate council, it could be anduin - and it’s one of the 3 lies (super extremely very unlikely)
hollow dock
you're very right
it was given to us to further expand on what's happening post legion
dense plover
We can’t draw absolute conclusions without full knowledge
Stating something g as fact when it’s a guess is ignorant and dnageroys
hollow dock
But a few lines of text is not enough to say 'they did it'
dense plover
Imagine a leader doing that for a real war
hollow dock
that's how WW1 started
dense plover
It’s how lots of wars start
ruby prawn
Maybe it's actually a social experiment gone wring
dense plover
That’s my point
Assumptions are dangerous
Though this is just a game, bad habits are hard to break
sullen dagger
i dont think gen has nothing to do with this
dense plover
We don’t know
I wouldn’t put it past Genn to do something insane to get to go to war against sylvanas
ruby prawn
I believe the rebel forsaken burnt the tree and Farondis is the boy king (Or Baine)
dense plover
He is essentially consumed by vengeance for his sub
hollow dock
thats perfectly fine for you to believe.
hollow dock
Boy can be metaphorical peach
ruby prawn
Inexperienced leader
dense plover
Also, they specifically call anduin a boy king in the nightborne recruitment
Why do that?
hollow dock
red herring
ruby prawn
He still thinks what his father would do in his situation
hollow dock
Purposefully misleading information
dense plover
When has wow writing ever had red herrings?
hollow dock
A lot of times actually :v
dense plover
Especially when it’s other npcs that aren’t old gods
hollow dock
when specifically dealing with the old gods
hollow dock
no but hte prophecy is
dense plover
Also, sort of unrelated
Nether prince durzaan
We are gonna see more of him right?
ruby prawn
What if it's actually gonna happen 19 years from now. This prophecy
dense plover
It seems unlikely that he would be a throwaway considering that he is put in two different allied race Scenarios
ruby prawn
Durzaan is a name stolen from Eragon?
hollow dock
The Old Gods are omniscent. They peer into all timelines at the same time and their words leak out to random points of time
Thats Durza
hollow dock
The Inheritence Cycle, nor Paloni, made that name
ruby prawn
In argus
dense plover
yeah
That’s not who I’m talking about
Durzaan is a new nether prince introduced in the nightborne and void elf recruitment scenarios
He is trying to get the void onto Azeroth
I think he is going to be important
It would be a good way to build him up
Have him appear occasionally and then say he is coming
Until he does
hollow dock
that'd be nice
ruby prawn
I hope Cairne is coming back
ruby prawn
Like Vol'jin
hollow dock
Vol'jin is coming back because of the Loa
ruby prawn
In the mists
ruby prawn
Like lion king
dense plover
He isn’t getting rezzed
hollow dock
Cairne isnt a Troll.
ruby prawn
Doesn't matter
dense plover
It’s going to be part of thralls redemption and or retirement story
hollow dock
The Loa are the only reason this is happening. :v
dense plover
It definitely does
sullen dagger
zul'jin is becoming a loa that for sure
hollow dock
they are considered Wild gods.
ruby prawn
Maybe Vol'jin will do some Hocus pocus and turn Cairne into a loa
dense plover
The only humanoid one is Bwonsamdi. And if j took a guess, that probably isn’t his actual form
ruby prawn
I am joking of course
dense plover
I bet bwonsomadi is some big spirit monster creature thing
ruby prawn
An old god
ruby prawn
xd
dense plover
Bwonsamdi is a loa
He is the only humanoid wild god
Except for maybe Cenarius
Though cenarius is only part humanoid
ruby prawn
Gtg cya
zinc sandal
You know what I've always thought it's very curious?
Cenarius and his children look a whole lot like Night Elves, yet they predate them by a long time.
rapid berry
guys. okay i Cant get a heritage armor if I use any kind boost. but If I level up new one till 110 and change race on my main char to the same allied race will he able to wear heritage armor or not?
quiet talon
you need lvl fresh one id guess
rapid berry
so i mean i level up new one till 110
he gets armor and I change my main char to same allied race
rapid berry
can he get heritage armor for transmoging? or not because i used race change on him
true matrix
aw yay, tehd and marius are coming back
dense plover
Once heritage armor is unlocked, any new character of that race can use it
Also, you don’t have to ask here. Now that allied races are out, you can #retail-wow
strange falcon
i'm loving the nightborne silhoutte already
zinc sandal
They look so tall and thin
tulip sun
I really like them
rocky bone
true matrix
at first glance the changes seem kind of minor but wow the increase in detail on the new art is impressive
zinc sandal
Definitely.
hollow dock
The idea behind it Mess, is that Elune is a night elf herself. Since Cenarius is her son and all that jazz.
mythology is weird.
true matrix
http://puu.sh/zdGpL/c4f36f94e8.png E Y E L A S H E S
zinc sandal
And sweat.
true matrix
and pores!
hollow dock
The faces are more compact.
the scars are properly defined, theres facepaint
you can see the eye is a full eye.
zinc sandal
Also, Vris, you are correct. But the WoE was what changed them. Wouldn't that link Elune to the Well somehow? I know they believed she resided in it, but that was part of their mythology. Unless that belief sort of "guided" their transformation.
true matrix
ooh, what's this discussion about? the nature of elune?
hollow dock
What Im thinking is that 'Elune' is actually Azeroth.
That's my personal thought process.
zinc sandal
No. The fact that Cenarius and his children look a lot like Night Elves, yet they (Cenarius et al) predate them by a long time.
hollow dock
Messlets comment on Cenarius, the keepers and sisters of the grove looking like night elves despite predating them
zinc sandal
( @true matrix )
true matrix
oh. yeah that is weird
@hollow dock I agree with that actually! it would make sense since the well of eternity was the blood of azeroth
zinc sandal
That is a solid possibility, Vris. Perhaps not Azeroth herself but some sort of...avatar? Or a projection of her own spirit?
hollow dock
It'd explain why she actually has physical hold onto the world.
zinc sandal
I do not agree, but I also do not disagree. We'll have to see.
hollow dock
It'd also explain why she can only be communed through the moonwells, Wells made from that same magical water.
Its primal scrying in a way
gilded drum
There was also speculation that Eonar is also Elune, but I doubt it holds weight as Eonar is currently locked away in the seat of the pantheon
hollow dock
And Eonar doesn't hold any physical hold onto Azeroth.
gilded drum
Yeah. The only real thing that gave it a bit of weight was the Eonar instance in Antorus is called Elunaria
hollow dock
Which the planet it shows is just a reused planet asset :v
gilded drum
Yeah I know. I just thought it was worth mentioning in the conversation :v
hollow dock
Like I said, its a personal theory with the new information. Its very possible she has nothing to do with the moon at all and its just coincidence.
gilded drum
I hope we learn more about Elune eventually.
zinc sandal
What I hope is that they tweak the Nightborne mount's seat. It looks weird af.
zinc sandal
It lifts up real high when you move and clips through you.
hollow dock
You clip into the wind dragon mounts :v
zinc sandal
I can see my own butt.
hollow dock
my legs get absorbed into those dragons
zinc sandal
XD
gilded drum
Tbh i wanna play a nightborne so bad I’m just waiting to get rep
I finished Insurrection last night
Need about 5k more rep
hollow dock
You'll get there!
dusky ginkgo
You can do it. We believe in you
hollow dock
Im just glad I wasn't lazy and got it all done when that was the only thing to do.
Getting it all done on a human DK ftw.
gilded drum
I didn’t seriously play when it was the thing to do lul
zinc sandal
Just a little push!
dusky ginkgo
I haven't finished the Army of the Light :<
gilded drum
Antorus was my first serious time playing the game
And I leveled my Paladin for it the week before it came oht
hollow dock
What is playing it serious vs not serious? o=
gilded drum
I actually did my daily stuff
I played during the Suramar stuff but I just didn’t carr
*care
zinc sandal
Smh.
gilded drum
I just kinda logged in, talked to guildies, maybe did a WQ or two, then logged out
hollow dock
Wow. the times have really changed for that to be considered serious.
gilded drum
Well now I play like.. 6+ hours a day lul
tacit vine
playing serious is compeptitive
zinc sandal
Back in muh day serious meant not getting off your computer ever. You peed on a bottle and were fed IV.
hollow dock
yea that's basically what I've known.
gilded drum
Tfw I was in a Mythic prog guild but I was made fun of by my friends to the point I had to quit
hollow dock
yea i never play that hard. I just get my AOTC and duck out of everything else.
gilded drum
My current guild got AOTC and they are like “aight we did it cya next xpac”
Like that’s no fun
hollow dock
thats like half me. If my guild decides to go and try out mythic I'll hop in. If we're doin gear runs to gear up alts and junk I'll hop in.
gilded drum
My guild has never done Mythic
hollow dock
but otherwise that's where I stop logging to keep up.
gilded drum
They refuse to
hollow dock
I can get it if you can't get enough people. thats my guilds issue. We take our ten best and head to our sister guild for end of expac mythic tries.
hollow dock
RIP. I'd just go and host my own mythic runs in that case. Screw the officers.
zinc sandal
Tell them to eat your TAZ'DINGO!
hollow dock
and then to GET OUT OF MY JUNGLE
gilded drum
I think the problem is no one really wants to do Mythic but me
hollow dock
mythic is pretty scary.
gilded drum
Like in Heroic it’s really “our 4 good DPS carry all the alts”
Like I’m 961 on my Paladin and I still have to show up to normals on it to make sure it goes smoothly
hollow dock
just say you forgot to pick up your grandma and never show up to raid. :^)
gilded drum
I have the flu rn so I can use that as an excuse to not show
hollow dock
better yet, do what our worst raider did
Leave raid for the whole time and come back saying you had a job interview.
gilded drum
Our old raid leader always shows up super late saying he was on a business call
Like he only shows up for Aggramar or Argus
If my current RL doesn’t wanna lead in BFA I might volunteer tbh
hollow dock
Sorta.
We know their names and icons
but not their effects
Keep a very close eye on WoWhead! from here on out full time development has started on BFA so it'll show up eventually
rich apex
^
gilded drum
So @hollow dock do we know if the 9/21 launch is 100% set in stone? I’ve heard people say it might be earlier.
hollow dock
it is not, but it is a date blizz specified for a gate. They'll release BFA either on or before 9/21
mint arch
hey all, sylvanas... selfless...
HAHAHAHAHAAH
nightborne "another arrow in my quiver" - sylvanas, not a warmonger or evil
dense plover
Oh she definitely wants war
But she is calculating
Not rash
She wouldn’t attack Teldrassil
Especially since she planned to attack Stormwind
tacit vine
manduin says something about their aggression
dense plover
And?
tacit vine
didn't he just send spies to kill miners on silithus???
dense plover
yes
Alliance struck first in silithus
Horde began to mine a resource on their land
Their continent
Alliance attacked
Horde fights back
Something happens that results in the burning of the tree
Siege of undercity
dense plover
No
She wants to attack stormwind before the tree thibg
But then the tree thing will happen
Then undercity
It hasn’t happened yet essentially
We don’t know who wants the tree burned
It isn’t Sylvanas
gilded drum
old gods
gilded drum
Not even necessarily horde
rich apex
False flag operation
Cultists start a war so N'zoth can feed on hatred and death
(Irony, of course, is that they didn't even need to go that far)
(And once the leaders discover it was a false flag, it'll be easier for them to unite against N'zoth)
hollow dock
Void no one here has said shes selfless.
and if politics actually existed in this world, there'd never be a war.
mint arch
when the old god ppl burn down the tree, horde wont say anything and alliance will blindly blame em -_-
hollow dock
More like, horde get framed for something they can and most likely would do
dense plover
horde will probably say it wasnt us
mint arch
i feel like horde are not gonna even try and talk to alliance about the tree
dense plover
but if you saw someone murder another, picked up the knife, and then the police walked in, what do you think would happen
dense plover
thats the horde's place right now
hollow dock
There's no talking to be done.
dense plover
thats whats going to happen to the tree
hollow dock
Horde get caught with the blood on their hands
doesn't matter if they did it or not
ey I was right. Those dialogue triggers were for a Void elf player
ruby prawn
Anyone wanna voice chat?
gilded drum
Does anyone know how Suramar works if you’re playing a Nightborne yet?
dense plover
well you start off exalted
but i imagine its the same
also only boosters couldve gotten to it by now
it takes about 30 hrs to level from 1-110
maybe subtract like 5 for 1-20
so like 25 hrs
gilded drum
“Buh outlander go away” - Nightfallen to Nightborne
deep frigate
They call next-door neighbors Outlander as an insult of course
gilded drum
^
ruby prawn
Do Argus dungeons give rep xp?
modest whale
If you pre-order in a store (so not digitally), when would you be able to play allied races early (+ would you get your boost) or would you need to wait till bfa comes out?
modest whale
So when the box arrives at your home, you can play? c:
rich apex
If you pre order in a store they gotta give you a code or some shit
rich apex
Can't play Allied Races until your account knows you got the pre order
modest whale
Oh alrighty! Thanks for answering my questions y'all! c:
zinc sandal
So apparently some Helves are also turning into Velves.
Good news for the Helf players
tulip sun
That should settle some tensions.
hollow dock
I dont see how they wouldnt.
zinc sandal
Hm?
hollow dock
Helves go velf.
rich apex
There's high elves and blood elvs in the Void zone
hollow dock
Thats just bound to happen :v
rich apex
The question is if they're willingly being void-ified
Given that Umbric didn't exactly do it on purpose
And now has the whispers of the void constantly tempting him
zinc sandal
Tough luck.
rich apex
Oh sure, it's his own damn fault
The question is if he's going to tell people 'yeah this is a great plan'
zinc sandal
It's not like their allegiances would change. They were Alliance before, unlike Belves.
rich apex
It's just a curious addition
hollow dock
What i dont get is why we needed that clarification. Its pretty obvious that magic affects helves just as easily as it does belves.
rich apex
Certainly an in for the high elf RPers that have been whining since the announcement
Yeah, but the void in void elves is more than just exposure
The ethereal dude was actively doing void stuff to them to make them that way
hollow dock
Well yea. But if other high elves went and did the same, it wouldnt fail. Thats just common sense. :v
zinc sandal
It's probably because it was said at first that Velves were only Belves.
And now it's both Belves and Helves.
hollow dock
I still dont see how that means helves cant turn velf.
rich apex
Common sense would be 'don't do this ritual that leaves you open to the void and requiring constnat training and discipline to resist it' 😛
They -can-
zinc sandal
Nobody said they can't?
rich apex
The question is if they are
hollow dock
If they can then theres no question thay a few would do it.
rich apex
I suppose
zinc sandal
If there were few Helves before, now there's like... What? Three?
Two of them being the Windrunners
zinc sandal
True.
zinc sandal
Nah, once you go Void you can't go back.
rich apex
Alleria's a special case, give she ate a dark naaru
tulip sun
So
hollow dock
I dont because its sylvanas but please tell
hollow dock
Thats ny TV company
zinc sandal
Sylvania sounds like a North European country
hollow dock
Put trans infront of it
tulip sun
You seriously don't like it just because sylvanas?
rich apex
GW built an entire fantasy/sci fi franchise off of taking other people's/history's things and just changing the names a little bit 😛
tulip sun
I just really like the interactions.
hollow dock
Yes Im racist against the horde
zinc sandal
Don't take it personally. Vris hates everything.
hollow dock
How isnt that obvious
rich apex
rude
hollow dock
Alliance was here first
hollow dock
Nope
rich apex
Trolls and gnolls where on the Eastern Kingdoms first
Humans are the real invasive species
The Kul'tirans literally wiped out the Drust
zinc sandal
Humans are sick and malformed children. Let them die.
hollow dock
The 7 human kingdoms of Azeroth banded together into the alliance to protect themselves against the dangers of the natural world.
tulip sun
But ya, the whole they were here first doesn't work well v.v
rich apex
Horde Gnolls when
true matrix
tauren, trolls and goblins were here first, technically speaking :V
hollow dock
Well they were. The horde were barbaric creatures that invaded azeroth for one reason: slaughter and genocide
true matrix
hence the horde as it stands has more claim on azeroth than the alliance
rich apex
#Hoggerdidnothingwrong
zinc sandal
God not this again
rich apex
We're doing this for the next three years
Until the faction war is over
(for the moment)
hollow dock
Until the horde has been properly dismantled
true matrix
might as well get a head start
hollow dock
But we war without everyone being idiots
rich apex
Pay no mind that a third party threat comes up every year regardless
zinc sandal
This universe came to be because of a war. It is only appropriate that we wage war also.
tulip sun
Vris, the old horde and new horde are entirely different
gusty wolf
T'PARTOS!
atomic wharf
Not sure if this is the place to ask, but I think it's probably my best bet :p
Does anyone know if pre purchasing BFA and then buying a physical version later will give you a game code again
Like how they did with Legion
zinc sandal
No idea...
limpid umbra
It would make sense; you're buying it twice so the physical version would come with a game code
atomic wharf
Yeah, but the way they did it with legion is that you pre purchase the online collectors edition, but then if you bought the physical collectors edition it would bind that code to your account and the online CE you bought will be given to you in the form of a code that can be given away
limpid umbra
Ohhh right. Fair enough!
hollow dock
The hordes the horde. They havent changed a bit and went right back to their old ways.
tulip sun
They have changed a lot
prime kestrel
rough tundra
looks like someone pushed a button
rich apex
First response: 'you can't stop me'
legal team laughs in the background
And MrGM may or may not have gotten legally bitch slapped already
hollow dock
laughs in american law
hollow dock
Seriously tho, people need to think it through before doing all this :v
hollow dock
But I said I know a guy who knows a guy from blizz! How could they possibly take that seriously!
rough tundra
i get that he's trying to be unique and stay ahead of competition but he knows what he's doing is sketchy
rich apex
Presumably Blizz Marketing wants to show off the game in a better looking form than unfinished alpha modeling
stiff vector
this doesn't just hit mrgm
stiff vector
it is interesting though because this makes my tools acceptable in their current state
which is pretty great
yay for breaking the ToS but being allowed to
hollow dock
Wait showing off unfinishes material is bad for the marketing team?
Its almost like they know the public can be stupid.
rich apex
It's almost like the public will make flagrantly unsupported assumptions
And go 'wow why is this so ugly'
Or complain that the KT models are detailed enough for Allied Races
hollow dock
I aint buying this producy
rich apex
In theory, anyways
In practice, of course they will 😛
But for obvious reasons, Blizz wants to control the message. And they certainly have a right to.
hollow dock
Yup. Slong as youre not plastering it on the internet, youre fine.
rich apex
It is a lot easier to get busted when you're a youtuber with 500k subs
hollow dock
Cant get busted if you never make a video on it
rough tundra
the post specifically excluded model viewing , but i think it's more about not alienating wowhead
they dont' exactly want to rock that boat i think
hollow dock
Theyre not wanting to kill datamining
rich apex
I'm sure they've got a much better relationship with Wowhead
And Wowhead is much smarter about how they go about it
hollow dock
Theyre wanting to kill the video creation and plastering
As seen, wowhead will take screenshots. And thats it.
rich apex
Like, iirc, Wowhead literally said they asked Blizz for permission before they posted that first prologue of the Golden novel
hollow dock
Like you always should
stiff vector
this will slightly affect wowhead in not being able to do mount previews in a sandbox anymore but that's about it
rich apex
Because that ahd been in the Blizzcon goodie bag but not officially released
hollow dock
They'll just have to wait until beta actually releases
rich apex
Of course, when Wowhead emails the Blizz marketing guy, he'll actually respond
Unlike some youtuber
rich apex
The horror
rough tundra
might as well ask them to eat glass
rich apex
Srsly
tulip sun
On a different topic, I am now convinced we get au draenor orcs for horde. I also am speculating that the draenei join the alliance, not as an allied race of course. That's introduce yrel for example.
Perhaps a devastating event happened on their world and are forced to leave
uncut vault
Id suspect both groups join us, but we already have draenor draenei playable
so yrel will just join in story
rich apex
I will be highly surprised if Yrel comes back
Much less Grom
As opposed to Outland Mag'har and thus Broken
tulip sun
That is what I mean porter
It lore wise, AU draenei would also join
The rangari, etc
@rich apex he said draenor, not outland. Two distinct places
tulip sun
I don't believe it was an example
clever ember
Ion said that they are working on dreanor orcs as an allied race. It wasn’t an example. The heritage armor was datamined. We’ll be getting the orcs sometime during BfA.
silk hare
Well Yrel did say to Khadgar "if you ever need us, we will be here" and Khadgar reaponded with his classic "until we meet again"
clever ember
Not sure who the alliance counterpart will be though.
I don’t imagine they’ll add MORE dreanei. We’ve already been given two types. That’d be kinda lame.
uncut vault
kul tirans most likely, for orcs vs humans
clever ember
Wouldn’t surprise me.
tropic ruin
personally i've appreciated the thicc human female
i hope it's not an allied race but rather a mode like no-hunch orcs
clever ember
It’ll probably be an allied race though. If they do it.
rich apex
I wouldn't get your hopes up 😛
Allied Races are the closest thing we'll ever get to body types
And they sure won't start making new body types for 10 or so races
But I don't think they would make body types for just one race
And tough break if you're a tauren
clever ember
The orc stance is different. Less stuff involved. The kul’tirans have their own set of hair styles and such. Though I’d love to have some of those hairstyles for my human.
clever ember
Yes for all the races.
uncut vault
orc stance is just the exact orc rig, but with the spine turns up
has a few unique animations but its basically the same
rich apex
That too
clever ember
I’m so tired of the same four or five hair styles for female Tauren. And they just added shiny stuff to the Highmountain ones.
But underneath its just the same hairstyles.
uncut vault
all the allied races kinda do that to their counterparts
new short hair on velf males would be amazing on belfs
clever ember
The LF dreanei have different hair styles from their counterparts.
rich apex
A blood elf would never be caught dead with that emo extra hair grease style
clever ember
Nightborn too
uncut vault
I mean, belfs literally have a greased back hairstyle now so
clever ember
I do like some of the non tentacle hairstyle of the female voidelfs.
uncut vault
velfs have fantastic non-tentacle hair
clever ember
They do, though I am not a huge fan of velfs. I made one but I am not sure if I’ll ever play her. They just don’t appeal well to me. But then again, I’ve never been a huge fan of bloodelfs. I’d rather be an orc, troll or Tauren. Lol. (Can’t wait for zandalari)
tulip sun
I never was fond of blood elves
But recently they've been growing on me
I do honestly, 101% believe kul tirans are a new allied race in the future of bfa
I wouldn't say no to them being the orc counterparts
clever ember
Like I said. I wouldn’t be surprised by that. I can see it happening.
tulip sun
Also, just read on wowhead they decided the allied races by what we said....o.o
Interesting
clever ember
See blizz does listen to the player base lol.
rich apex
In before high elf fanbois
clever ember
People have been asking for brown orcs since BC
rich apex
I'm still assuming that if the Horde goes to past expansion continents, the Alliance will too
Thus Outland Mag'har/Broken
Easy parallel structure
clever ember
Yes give us taunka, and wildhammer dorfs
tulip sun
Well
rich apex
Wildhammers plz
tulip sun
Not neccesarilt
rich apex
Oh, sure, they don't -have- to
tulip sun
Look at dark iron
rich apex
True
rich apex
But they sure weren't going to launch Allied Races with the third one being 'thicc human'
tulip sun
I love the way kul tirans look
steel venture
(also horde got two new druids for the first batch of allied races, might as well make it the alliance's turn next round to balance it out again.)
rich apex
Dark Irons are getting pallies, apparently
tulip sun
Yup
rich apex
Priests make sense tho
steel venture
Dark Iron have been Alliance since like, Cataclysm.
tulip sun
I figure dark iron are practically able to be all though.....except druid and demon hunter
clever ember
Alliance will then have two more pally races than horde if that’s the case
steel venture
They're likely to have encountered and even trained under other paladins since then.
tulip sun
Xan, they are uniting the few.clans thay arnt
That*
I am curious if they will have normal hair for dark iron, or will it be a full blown reason to fire beard things
steel venture
Which will still include the members of the Dark Iron that are, as an offical option / customization though.
Since it's not like Dark Iron amounts are very minimal in the Alliance dwarf-wise by lore. They're credited for bringing in dwarven warlocks into the fold, like how dwarf shamans are with Wildhammer.
tulip sun
I never heard a definitive no
dense plover
Interview today
dense plover
Check the previous interview post
tulip sun
Well, link pleaseee
dense plover
It was updated
hollow dock
The interview post that WoWhead put up with the devs about allied races :v
tulip sun
I feel as if I'm blind
uncut vault
saidthat DK and DH dont get any options for allied races
rich apex
Not exactly surprising, given unique options that they had
Plus timeline issues for some races
Plus a void death knight is too much edge 😛
tulip sun
Dark iron would have for thoufh
(Can't find it still)
Oh well
It is interesting thay the moose horns caused controversy xD
tulip sun
I never said zandalari would.
hollow dock
They have to do it in duality
That's why Dark Iron can't be a DK.
One side can't get a race that has more classes than the other. :v
tulip sun
I see them being all classes except demon hunters, and dk.
hollow dock
I personally dont but that's another discussion all together.
tulip sun
The devs don't have to do anything
hollow dock
they have to follow design philosophy yes.
tulip sun
But I can understand them doing it because of the idiots that would whine
Adding one dk to alliance won't affect the game at all
And I am sure they would add another horde soon
hollow dock
it affects the perception of faction inbalance.
Which is why everything is in a duality.
hollow dock
Its not that they dont have DKs, its that they dont have as many.
Again, look to their past examples. If they add 2 classes for 2 races on the alliance, they must reflect that onto the horde side.
tulip sun
-looks at druids-
hollow dock
If they are not able to, or find it easier to simply not do it, they wont do it.
dense plover
They’ve just started, they might not even come with 8.0 release (probably will though)
hollow dock
they said its not coming out with BFAs release tho. Sometime during BFA it'll come
tulip sun
I can't wait to see those models
tropic ruin
i hope they'll keep at least a chuhuahua face for female worgens
because i plan on keeping that face
hollow dock
the face is one of the many things the community demands being changed
so that's highly unlikely
runic vault
Guys, @hollow dock @tulip sun You do realize how to balance this. Dark Iron DK's, and New Orc Clan DK's
hollow dock
Draenor orcs weren't on Azeroth to become DKs.
hollow dock
Blizzard knows a heck of a lot more on this than you or I.
runic vault
Hrm, so thats a bit of a problem
What race could be DK on horde, thats an ally race, to even the scales
rich apex
What do you mean a professional game dev knows more than me?
Have I mentioned I've been playing since vanilla?
:|a
hollow dock
How do you spot a vanilla player?
rich apex
They'll tell you
jade basalt
@runic vault Ogre
runic vault
Not bad, but we have no DK Ogres (That I know of) on record
rich apex
How many vanilla purists does it take to change a light bulb?
jade basalt
We had no worgen death knights on record either until they made them playable
hollow dock
Actually that's a falsie
runic vault
Vris, check it out. There were DK's on Draenor, created by Gul'dan from the slaughtered orc clans
jade basalt
They weren't death knights.
hollow dock
theyre gen 1s
jade basalt
No..
hollow dock
Yes they are. They are considered first generation deathknights.
Teron Gore was the first of them. Orc souls shoved into human knight bodies.
Gen 2s were the DKs like arthas, made undead by vampiric runeblades.
jade basalt
I'm talking about worgen death knights ? You're mentioning orcs.
hollow dock
yea in grizzly hills. Arthas resurrected Argul and started turning dogs undead
jade basalt
And they weren't death knights.
hollow dock
That is how they became deathknights.
tulip sun
A lot of different races can be dks
hollow dock
Oh yea every race can be a DK
runic vault
Well also: "Death knights afflicted by the worgen curse had their feral instincts shattered in favor of the Lich King's will. This held true even after their freedom from the Lich King" -Wowpedia
tulip sun
Murlocs, ogres
hollow dock
Yea Livingtorch, worgen DKs dont make any sense.
tulip sun
They'd have to make a new starting experience
jade basalt
There was no worgen death knight prior to the introduction of worgen as a playable race in Cataclysm
tulip sun
They can always add new lore to add races
hollow dock
There was no specific lore character of a worgen dk coming about yes.
Thing is Khamin
they did this for the worgen
and its been a shit show ever since
tender pelican
only pandaren the the rest of any races are ineligible to become dks
hollow dock
Well. Technically Zandalari and Dark Iron have been around, but not enough Zandalari have been killed by the scourge for arthas to rez. same with the dark iron. :v
If blizz would just add in a second starting area for the mystical, and non-canon, fourth generation dks, we'd be set.
runic vault
but what level would Allied Race DK's start at? 20, or 55?
jade basalt
Blizzard can tweak the numbers however they want, to be fair. They could say there's a group of X that died in Northrend and was raised, or that a lot of Y fought the Lich King and were raised, and so on.
runic vault
Or a higher level
uncut vault
thats probably why they arent doing them
hollow dock
Yea those lightforged that magically made their way onto azeroth and had been hiding their DKs.
uncut vault
there wouldnt even be a point of a lightforged dk, lol
their eyes would just be normal again
jade basalt
Lightforged wouldn't make sense because they were all on a spaceship at the other end of the universe, most other races could
hollow dock
Well wait you just said they could say that
oh hey
you can /cast the ravasaur mount
jade basalt
I was talking about Dark Irons and Zandalari specifically. Afrasiabi himself said that if there's one allied race that could have death knights it'd be Dark Irons.
hollow dock
that's an issue of it just being 1 though. Pain in the ass duality it is. :v
tulip sun
To be fair
The ebon blade raised new troops/did in legion
Those who fell to the legion
hollow dock
Which is the mystical, and still non-canon, fourth generation DKs
but these DKs would be no where near as powerful as the third gens
tulip sun
It is canon if it's in game...
hollow dock
Not entirely. As the only DKs we officially raise are the horsemen.
jade basalt
That was brought up, Afrasiabi said they will likely not make two different starting scenarios for death knights and that as such if an Allied Race can have dk they would have to fit in the existing scenario.
hollow dock
Otherwise we only create ghouls and aboms.
tulip sun
So obviously it did happen.
rich apex
Minor bit of Allied Races needing to level from 20-110 to get the armor
tulip sun
There is a quest on it
hollow dock
Yes we raised 4 specific DKs.
tulip sun
And others
rich apex
Lord knows some moron would roll a DI DK and then cry when they don't get the armor, even if Blizz specifies they won't
hollow dock
We have not raised any other deathknights
tulip sun
Yrs we have, lol
jade basalt
There's an NPC that says they were looking at the casualties from the Horde and Alliance to raise new recruits.
hollow dock
We recruit other dks, but we do not resurrect any fallen.
rich apex
Could've sworn it's said the DK troops are raised from Broken Shore casualities
hollow dock
Ive played through the campaign on three dks.
There's no where that's had it mentioned we started churning out new dks
hollow dock
So then show me
tulip sun
Apparently your ignoring the several others who just confirmed what I said
hollow dock
Theres over a billion people on the planet that say god exists. Theres twice as more that say no. Numbers dont matter, evidence does.
tulip sun
Gimme min
hollow dock
Huh so he does.
Alright so there is a fourth generation of deathknights. Neat. That theorys finally correct.
Still, these fourth gens aren't as powerful as the third gens, which is what the player DK is.
jade basalt
They are not actually called 4th gen
There's nothing indicating they are weaker either
tulip sun
So technically anyone could be dk, if there was a new starting srea
ionic bison
yes but tecnicly therte copuld easily have been a darkiron dk as well as zandalari already from the time of the scourage \
hollow dock
Deathknight Lore. In which, yes they are infact a fourth generation.
Each deathknight generation is noted in the lore by what makes them. Arthas made the third gens, Runeblades made second and Gul'dan and his warlocks made the first.
Us making new dks is a new generation, the fourth. In which as we dont have the Lich King's power, and we're not the ones doing the resurrecting, these DKs are far less powerful.
jade basalt
Arthas made both second and third generation death knights so your point is invalid
jade basalt
Nope there are a few 2nd gen dk that were made by Arthas.
hollow dock
The Nazrethime that were making runeblades and dropping them around azeroth made the second generation.
ionic bison
the ones were making nowq would be made with power lent from bulvar and the 4 horsman kinda atleast
hollow dock
Arthas himself being a second generation deathknight made by Frostmorne. :v
Frostmorne being made by the Dreadlords.
jade basalt
No.. Look practically everything you have said these last 20 minutes has been wrong and it's become tiring to go look for evidence to prove your wrong and then move on another subject and start again and so on. So I'm gonna go !
hollow dock
well hey at least what I said about every race being able to become dks is wrong :v
tulip sun
I mean, except lightforged, all races can
I mean, if they are killed and raised, yes
But they weren't on azeroth
So no, your not correct
hollow dock
What about the Lightforged makes them ineligable for resurrection?
ionic bison
by being forged by the light theyb ,may actualy be imune
hollow dock
that's all good in theory, but it turns out immunity is not all that immune with the Worgen in mind.
uncut vault
even worgen, who are a nature based affliction, arent completely immune
light probably doesnt do the trick either
hollow dock
especially if its a suitably powerful Lich, or even the Lich King himself.
hollow dock
Expect lightforged, all races can.
tulip sun
Read below that
hollow dock
So then, what about my statement was false? I said all races can become deathknights.
tulip sun
I mean, lore wise right now, they wouldn't be able to
Due to them not during on the broken shore, and not being on azeroth during wrath
But in the future if they recruit again, certainly
hollow dock
Personally, I dont think they'd ever stop recruiting. The legion has done a number on the Ebon Blade and for them to be a formitable force, some extra additions would be needed.
zinc sandal
This channel can get so petty sometimes xD
It's not even about lore anymore, it's about proving each other wrong
hollow dock
indeed. Im just bored waiting for my warframe stuff to finish :v
gives people satisfaction to prove me wrong. Don't know why tbh.
zinc sandal
As if that's not your case, too.
hollow dock
I do it because it makes people angry and annoyed.
zinc sandal
What a troll lol
hollow dock
Am I that good at hiding it? :p
tulip sun
If that is your goal, just leave. Others are trying to have a legitimate conversation.
hollow dock
Eh alright.
meager warren
I would take Vris's side on this but i don't want to start another argument so i'll just not say anything
tired otter
Agree to disagree and have some 🍰
meager warren
don't tell me what to do
finite moon
Wondering how prot warrior and prot pally mitigation is gonna be
crystal forum
TBH we need a "lore discussion" channel for the arguments/debates above lol
ruby prawn
We can discuss lore on this channel if it's related to bfa
rich wedge
no
if you see someone "playing the alpha" right now, they're simply loading the data that is available onto a private server and playing it through that
lyric obsidian
so uh. Recruitment quest: available in still legion or when BfA launches
ruby prawn
Only if you pre-order bfa @lyric obsidian
If you pre-order it now, you will have access to the allied races now
lyric obsidian
well, I'm not active right now. Will probably reactivate for the BfA prologue though
clever ember
You need the achievements and rep required for the allied races as well as BfA on your account to unlock the allied races.
lyric obsidian
ok. thanks.
crisp flower
hi do someone know if bfa is availble for ptr?
worthy minnow
the alpha is not even out yet ;d as far as i know @crisp flower
crisp flower
ok any clue when it comes out?
lavish pawn
crisp flower
ok thank you for the help
dense plover
Usually expansions don’t end up on ptr
Prepatch will about a month prior to release
But expac is usually beta, specifically closed beta only
crisp flower
but how can i get the closed one?
frigid umbra
Blizz inv you
dense plover
yep
sign up under your battlenet profile
and then they select you probably based on your past beta experience, ptr experience, and record of useful feedback, along with a bit of randomness
or you can win a beta key contest once those are things
since beta hasnt started yet, there are no keys
frigid umbra
Or wait until like a month before release where there will be an open beta or they will inv so many that you would think it is open
dense plover
at that point, i dont recommend playing
it will ruin the launch experience
since at that point, there is no change, and its down to bug fixes and balance
frigid umbra
True... got legion beta like that.. did not touch it
But i gave him an alternative 😬
Anyway... not too much to wait... sept will soon be here
Soon TM
strange falcon
if anybody says that moose travel form isnt the best thing that ever happened,i have this to prove it https://clips.twitch.tv/HandsomeJoyousKoalaCorgiDerp
pine bluff
I was expecting someone with a Towelee Soundboard trolling Voice Chat in RBGs...
Somehow I'm not dissappoint.
runic vault
@strange falcon 100% true, thats awesome
tender pelican
well there are some whom are complaining about zandalari trolls reminded them of DKs
due to their glowing blue eyes, why they aren't comparing with draeneis
which they have similar eye glow
clever ember
No the highmountain base flightform is just like all the other druid races base flightform. The only one that can carry a passenger is the class mount.
meager warren
The people who think zandalari trolls are anything whatsoever like DKs, can fuck off
subtle flower
I'm half dreading BfA, but half thinking it can't get here fast enough.
dense plover
Why? It looks promising, the story is being written by a competent author, and it’s taking place in two areas steeped in lore
meager warren
better get the mythic and mage tower artifact appearances while you still can
also, what mrpeach said
jovial coral
So I guess the expac after bfa will come out 2020
zinc sandal
Lmao how do you intend BfA to keep going for almost 4 years?
tropic trail
classic has lasted for ~14 years, in a sense
jovial coral
Well if they have these adding races through patches
meager warren
bug fixes, new content patches?
updated renders to old models?
new mogs, pets, mounts, etc?
subtle flower
I have so many concerns about if I'll still be able to quest and do whatever in Kalimdor when BfA hits. But on the other hand, no more gankers.
meager warren
was that to me or..?
rich apex
Let BfA come, man
subtle flower
It's been implied that Kalimdor is going to be fully Horde controlled, and the Eastern Kingdoms, Alliance controlled. So I'm worried about access .
meager warren
we'll probs still have access
jovial coral
I'm hoping Bfa is really setting the stage for the next xpac