I wonder if they'll keep the ambience easter egg
#beta-ptr-spoilers
hollow dock
dense plover
^
uncut vault
Doesnt really look like that parts being changed. Lots of the inside buildings are still the old ones
hollow dock
Its a fun pasttime of mine to head there, turn off all sound except ambience and hear it all.
tacit vine
they will rebuild lordaeron to it's former glory after bfa
lux vult, take back lordaeron!
hollow dock
No one goes there often.
tacit vine
I hate going down
zinc sandal
tropic trail
I can't remember what it looks like off the top of my head as I haven't had my pic for three months and haven't visited it in a long time
But who thinks the pre BFA undercity looks better ?
uncut vault
I mean, it does. Thats the point of upgrading it lol.
Besides the small minority that are adamant to have vanilla purity, most people will think its better.
meager warren
wait, they've release datamined pics of undercity?
tulip sun
I know it is constantly talked about
But what is the likelihood pre orders are announced, with allied races as a bonus?
hollow dock
...We've said it so many times man.
hollow dock
Yes in this chat we have. In the previous PTR chat we have as well. As a community. We even had an FAQ made about it.
I'm not being a dick, I'm pointing out its horribly overasked.
hollow dock
How exactly am I being a dick? I haven't insulted you have I?
tulip sun
I am not going to continue.
meager warren
you've displayed a behavior that is pretentious. so, yes, don't be a dick
hollow dock
Have I offended you in some way? Am I being offensive? I would like to know.
uncut vault
tulip sun
He is, just stop. Yes, you are kinda being rude. But let's move on
hollow dock
Being rude and being a dick are two different things where i come from. If it's to a point you must point it out then please inform me of exactly what I'm doing wrong.
tulip sun
Vris, just stop.
meager warren
It may be my uneducated american self, but where i come from, being rude and being a dick are one and the same
uncut vault
Ice shelves look very nice.
hollow dock
I too am american, but being a dick where I am is to essentially bully, put down or otherwise insult people. Where as rude is simply not caring about them and acting however you wish.
dense plover
its not pretentious to ask someone to be less lazy
hollow dock
Apparently it is.
dense plover
literally you can search the text of channels
search your question before asking it
something as simple as BfA preorder
meager warren
that wasn't asking them to be less lazy or asking them to do more research on the subject
dense plover
it was saying it was already answered
hollow dock
I had informed Kamnin that the question had been asked and then the both of you jumped up like I insulted your mothers.
dense plover
a bunch
tulip sun
I just wanted to discuss it. There is nothing forcing you two to read what we say or respond
dense plover
which it was
we dont know
its entirely possible
its also entirely not possible
the chances dont go up because of the QA
meager warren
it was saying that, even though there's a chance Khamnin didn't probably see any of the answers to his question, Vris didn't think about that and assumed that Kham probably couldn't read or some shit
hollow dock
How exactly did you assume all of that from my 1 line of text?
dense plover
Vris assumed that people should bother to read the channel
tulip sun
I just wanted to chat and such. We can stop this nkw
I am not digging up the past. I thought it would be fine to discuss something about the beta
meager warren
"we've said it so many times man" seems like it's asking them to pay more attention to the channel
when some of us have lives
uncut vault
I mean, Vris literally just said we've discussed it to death. Which we have
hollow dock
I had said nothing false nor with the intention of insulting.
dense plover
wow, boralus is very big
dense plover
๐
uncut vault
Yeah I love the scale of the two main zones
dense plover
well i mean boralus seems smaller than Zuldazar
but thats the mountains vs the open sea
i think they are about the same size
tulip sun
I have not seen boralus yet
hollow dock
Perhaps I should start speaking 100% literally and fully so my words can't be misconstreud.
uncut vault
Boralus is the city, Tirigarde Sound is the zone
dense plover
i hope they get as much detail as suramar
meager warren
Yeah, that'd be a good idea, Vris
dense plover
yes i know
dense plover
its exactly what ive imagined
i want to find someone with a working sandbox so i can see it myself at ground level
meager warren
exactly, or better?
tulip sun
Makes me glad I am horde. I mean, kik tiras seems nice, but I like more...tribal or weird stufd
uncut vault
The full scale of Zuldazar is yet to be seen. Im really hoping the Seal temple is a fully textured area
and not karabor 2.0
meager warren
u imagined all of that? nice
dense plover
which temple?
hollow dock
I can't wait for the zones to actually be complete.
dense plover
the dungeon or the other one?
uncut vault
The big massive golden one in the main city
dense plover
because im pretty sure the other one is the quest hub
woah
stromgarde is really unfinished
its got sections that are
but its got a lot that isnt
mostly the edges
meager warren
hawt
hollow dock
Looks like a repeat of karabor to me.
meager warren
burn the heretic
dense plover
its supposed to be a quest hub after the main story
uncut vault
All the area below it is part of the main city of Zuldazar
floral gyro
How many people have historically been invited to the alphas/betas? Don't wanna get my hopes too high for nothing
meager warren
so, not a lot
hollow dock
Honestly, unless you are a streamer or some other big content creator or have some really specific rig, an invite is very unlikely.
Best bet for us commoners is to keep a close eye on the websites/streamers for giveaways
floral gyro
Gotcha. Hope I get lucky.
uncut vault
I mean, once the alpha actually gets announced, I'm emailing Blizz like I usually do. It's gotten my Legion/WoD alpha, and OW beta
hollow dock
Personally Im just going to be opted in and either get it or not. I'm a patient apache helicopter and will gladly wait for a perfected product rather than some jumbled buggy mess.
meager warren
you lost me at patient
dense plover
well
rich apex
You...emailed Blizz for a beta invite?
meager warren
and then you ruined it worse at apache helicopter
hollow dock
That's what I identify as. An apache attack helicopter.
dense plover
i have access to a sandbox if anyone wants it
the guy doing the flyovers finished it
i wont post it here b/c technically against ToS
meager warren
yeah, about not being a dick..
hollow dock
I fail to see how that has anything to do with what I've said.
uncut vault
Yeah, I just show em my testing history, all the feedback I've given, show them the crap ton of money Ive spent on Blizzard games, then let them know how available I am for testing this time around. Worked the last few times. Had to call em for Legion, but I still got in second wave.
dense plover
i expect to get into beta based on the fact that i tested the ptr and made several forum posts
hollow dock
How does a shitty meme correlate to me being a dick this time? :v
dense plover
they know i care
uncut vault
Yeah that's basically what I show in my emails, some of the feedback forum posts Ive made, and screenshots of my feedback tickets.
hollow dock
Like? Being patient and not wanting to play a buggy and very messy version of a product I'm buying?
hollow dock
Idd it does.
rich apex
But for everyone besides Port, apparently, it's random ๐
I only ever got in for Legion
meager warren
and the reason this time is, people who don't take non-binary genders seriously, do so because of memes like that as well as bigotry
hollow dock
Alright? Did I offend you with my joke?
granite adder
He's just acting his age dude
hollow dock
It seems there's nothing I can do. Jokes are apparently dickish, stating facts are pretentious and simply asking isn't getting me anywhere.
meager warren
if he were 12, it'd be acceptable, mewrulz
granite adder
Exactly and he obviously is 12
hollow dock
How do you know I am not a fetus still typing in the womb?
Or is that offensive to those wanting abortions now?
meager warren
aside from the fact that's impossible?
granite adder
You clearly don't have thaat high of an iq
meager warren
clearly
hollow dock
Absolutely! I couldn't have a very high IQ.
meager warren
and clearly you got that too slowly
hollow dock
Those galleons look very nice.
radiant shale
Judging by how the zones look I think a beta is coming publicly soon
meager warren
i love the zandalari one
hollow dock
It's possible Taven, but unlikely. The zones are incredibly empty still, and its not because theyre just the maps ripped from the datamining.
radiant shale
Well I mean there is a sandbox client out now
hollow dock
People have made their own sandbox clients.
hollow dock
In which, as you watch the passovers, a lot of the zones are unfinished.
radiant shale
https://i.imgur.com/ch91fIK.jpg what the hell is that thing
hollow dock
That looks very much like an octopus or squid head.
meager warren
Cthulhu confirmed
radiant shale
Well yeah thats what it looks like but im talking about the meaning
uncut vault
Predictably, N'zoth, but if they want to go an interesting route, something we havent seen before
meager warren
Zandalari trolls/ dork iron dwarves like calamari?
hollow dock
Probably a naga place, or maybe, as the texture is still grey despite everything else being nearly finished, its an unfinished building.
uncut vault
It's a Kul Tiran temple
radiant shale
It might be N'Zoth related like what porter said
uncut vault
The description from Blizzcon is that a dark force has been overtaking the place
hollow dock
That is spawned in. Look at the left side there.
That's floating over the rest of the map
uncut vault
thats just infinished assets
At Blizzcon it was described as a kul tiran temple for the sea priests
that was being overrun by dark forces
which leads me to believe N'zoth is corrupting the place
meager warren
That reminds of Meridia's Quest in Skyrim
hollow dock
Why would he need to corrupt a place worshiping him and his favored pets?
uncut vault
Thats what people are speculating on
radiant shale
I wouldn't be surprised if G'huun is a boss in BFA
meager warren
oh good question.
uncut vault
They might be worshipping something else under the sea
radiant shale
I mean I heard he shows up in the dungeon journal
hollow dock
All the kraken, which are the giant squids, are linked to N'zoth in some way, shape or form. Worship of any of them links them right back to N'zoth, so why would he need to corrupt something he already has in his pocket?
dense plover
you have to download the stuff
radiant shale
i mean not really lol
dense plover
ive just started figuring this stuff out
i did it like 2.5 years ago with legion alpha
but its been 2.5 years
also, apparently the current one is kind of broke right now...
so theres that
uncut vault
Thats what have people curious, Vris. We dont know WHY N'zoth needs to corrupt a temple that is seemingly dedicated to him
radiant shale
unless there is something there he doesn't like/want
hollow dock
Maybe. I can't think of anything else though. The lord of the seas has been seeping his icky tentacles since the sundering.
uncut vault
warcraft davy jones inc
hollow dock
as crazy as that sounds, that could actually work.
meager warren
Warcraft wishes they could have a npc as cool as davy jones
hollow dock
They already do, his name is Gamon and he has been killed for over 10 years and is still alive today.
tropic trail
Some people in this chat do come across as rude and very blunt, it's quiet sad
meager warren
wut
hollow dock
I do apologize if I ever do sound blunt or rude. I never have much intention of doing so.
tropic trail
Everyone just be nice to one another !
You have come across blunt to me before Vris If I'm honest with you ๐
hollow dock
I just try to be honest is all.
meager warren
why thank you
tropic trail
No I know but the person before just wanted to open a nice discussion, you didn't need to be a dick to them
hollow dock
I still don't see how it is like that, but I can only promise i'll try to be more literal in my wording.
tropic trail
I'm not rehashing an argument. I just read through the chat and thought they were a bit hard done to when it seemed like they just wanted a chat and that was their choice of topic. If you personally are sick of the topic you don't have to say anything
meager warren
^
hollow dock
I wasn't sick of the topic though. I dont see where you all keep getting that impression.
tropic trail
Re-read it after a sleep ? That's what I do when people tell me I'm doing something wrong and I don't see it
Is it me or are the zone sizes looking a little small in the videos ? Although I guess that's because they are rushing through it and zoomed out
They look stunning though
meager warren
if you're not sick of the topic, great way to show it
hollow dock
I've only ever talked that way though. No one else I've spoken to has ever taken such offense to it. Was it my dots? was it my lack of literal speaking? I keep asking questions, but no one shows me any answers.
meager warren
not sure where you got the impression we took offense to it
hollow dock
You had an issue with how I responded and hung onto it for quite some time without ever answering a single question I asked.
meager warren
i don't recall any questions. you may re-ask them if you care enough about my opinion
hollow dock
Very well.
tropic trail
Tbh fair it's 4 am and I'm not going to be articulate but. Your sentences are very formal and thus come across as impersonal as opposed to light happy messages and yeah ... Is universally bitchy aha
hollow dock
Was it my dots? was it my lack of literal speaking? How exactly am I being a dick? I haven't insulted you have I? Have I offended you in some way? Am I being offensive? If it's to a point you must point it out then please inform me of exactly what I'm doing wrong. @Arsonite#9235
Ah, where I come from the tripple dots are used to convey very light annoyance.
tropic trail
I would just say universally, it's really really bitchy
In my experience
Regardless idm just try and sound more emotive then people might want to talk more and not be put off
Does everyone really think it will take till like August for BFA to come out? A lot of the zones look quiet fleshed out I thought
In fact very fleshed out
hollow dock
Honestly, at a first glance they do look very fleshed out.
tropic trail
Texturing stuff I guess yeah
hollow dock
However, a lot of empty space has been left all over the map. Which is something blizzard wouldn't do as they design these areas with flying in mind
Which means one of two things; Its really incomplete and theyve gotten the big easy tasks done or they aren't solid on with everything theyve done so far.
tropic trail
My god. I have been 3 months without my pc and I'm getting it back tomorrow so hyped to play again! Horrible seeing all these lush jungles and not being able to play in them for months though :/
hollow dock
I do hope you'll enjoy your return.
hollow dock
Well take a look at a place like Highmountain or Storm Peaks.
Mountainous areas that have been designed with player flight in mind.
tropic trail
I haven't actually checked out the alliance zones yet so I could be wrong and they look very incomplete but horde ones look pretty good
hollow dock
Little to nothing is left barren. There is always something there, something going on. Blizzard has been incredibly efficient with those spaces and left very little for us to not see.
meager warren
no it wasn't your dots. you realize you can make a joke without looking like an asshole? did i not answer that already? No, you have not insulted me personally, only an entire group of individuals with a stupid ass meme. you have not offended me personally but i could understand why some people may find that offensive. You're being offensive in some way to some people.
What you're doing wrong:
- You don't need to assert superiority over others just because you know something they don't. Not everybody thinks the same, dude. So, yeah. Speak what you mean or say nothing.
- "Haha, i identify as an apache attack helicopter" is a meme that was likely made to harass people who are non-binary in gender. As such, it is dickish. Whether you used it as a joke or not.
winter vault
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tropic trail
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Representing non binary people ^^ although thankfully I don't know the meme those types of memes are really stupid though
hollow dock
But if those people aren't coming after me, why does it matter? Comedy always offends someone. That's how that works. In which the 'apache attack helicopter' meme was made due to Tumblr coming out with their thousand and one non-binary genders and going so far as identifying as wolfkin.
I never asserted superiority over anyone. I had stated a fact. I was about to elaborate, but you had jumped on me like I said a horrifyingly racist slur.
tropic trail
Wait what are you guys talking about? I thought it was just about being rude to the guy from before who wanted to talk about pre orders
hollow dock
This is still about that.
winter vault
dunno how saying a question has been overasked is being rude tbh.
hollow dock
I had asked a slew of questions that went unanswered during the whole talk down to me about it.
Apparently it was the way I had said those words, Crystal.
meager warren
either way, i'm not represening nonbinary people. i'm saying stuff that should be said
hollow dock
We live in a free country for a reason. let me deal with my own consequences of my first admendment rights, please.
winter vault
i think people in general kinda get freaked out by people who type more formally than most or something.
tropic trail
Well there's no point having a gender debate ๐. I don't know if people deleted comments since. But when I read it. It just seemed like the person wanted to have a chat and got a discouraging reply
radiant shale
Just looking at bfa in game its going to look so good once they add dx12 to it
hollow dock
I type so formally because I roleplay quite often within the WoW community and do so with the DnD friends. This is the normal form of typing that I'm aware of.
It's going to look even better when they add in all those painstaking little details.
radiant shale
for real honestly
tropic trail
Formality is great and all but it can convey as being obnoxious and just lack emotion and just seem very very blunt which people do get offended over and the dots were bitchy
radiant shale
i personally liked just looking around and the more I do the more I want to pre order the expansion the second those go live which I will tbh
meager warren
http://prntscr.com/i6zlft @hollow dock
tropic trail
What's dx12?
hollow dock
That's very true, Arson.
meager warren
your first amendment speech doesn't mean you get to say whatever you want with no consequences. it means the govt can't arrest you for what you say
hollow dock
However, I had asked for you to allow me to deal with my own consequences should they come up.
tropic trail
Same @radiant shale
radiant shale
Graphics Api
tropic trail
I have no clue what that is ^^
radiant shale
lol no worries
floral gyro
I'm most excited for the allied races tbh, but warfronts look really fun if they're what i've been informed
radiant shale
warfronts are going to be my thing honestly
tropic trail
I have to say seeing the new troll customisation shave got me excited even more
hollow dock
I never said I was free from citicism, showing I am very concerned with the fact that you had taken such an affront to what I said, I never said my rights were even violated. I have a right to say whatever I wish as long as its within the rules of this discord. So please, let me deal with any backlash thrown at me.
I hope this'll be the last of it.
tropic trail
I wish they would establish cities more in the game
winter vault
i dunno what it says about me, but the thing i'm most excited about for BFA is updated cat models.
๐ป
hollow dock
It means you're a person who really enjoys the little things.
That's something I think Blizzard cares for a lot more than the rest in all honesty.
granite adder
I can't wait for the Bee mount!
winter vault
yeah that bee mount is adorable.
tropic trail
Omg have u see the little shit I can't think what they are called the little reptiles
hollow dock
I can't wait for the resurgance of the beemovie memes thanks to that mount.
floral gyro
The smallest thing that I really want in BfA is the Void Elf void form being a toggle
Most important thing about the race honestly
tropic trail
Hate bees... Make me cringe so much
floral gyro
to me anyways
hollow dock
Ya like jazz, Jordyn?
granite adder
that would be a really cool feature
floral gyro
I wanna see that awesome void form all the time not just in combat
tropic trail
Can't say I have listened to jazz very much no, how come?
hollow dock
They (Blizzard), had said it's most likely going to be a slip into combat automatically and toggle on and off out of it.
Oh, that's a bee movie meme :v
meager warren
would be funny if Blizzard made a Batman easteregg, but he's connected to bees somehow instead
hollow dock
Beeman
tropic trail
Oh ๐. Went over my head I watched the film when I was younger so I don't really remember it I'm 17
I don't much care to watch it either๐
hollow dock
Oh its fantastic meme material. Especially since the whole script is online.
tropic trail
I hope void form is a toggle too
meager warren
they made a shirt with the entire script printed on it iirc
floral gyro
Actually does anyone know what the Velf void form is? I saw a picture but I'm not sure if it was real.
tropic trail
It's just way overhyped for memes is what puts me off ever partaking in bee movie discussions ๐
tropic trail
I don't think it's out yet is it?
tropic trail
I remember bellular made a video saying most power racial yet? Can't remember if is shown in that
meager warren
it'd be difficult for it to be out now since the velf itself isn't out
hollow dock
Well, tuesday. It's most likely going to be shown during the QnA that Watcher and Lore are hosting.
floral gyro
Hopefully with the pre-order bonuses and such as well
meager warren
off by one day. so close
hollow dock
In which, I hope those two pull a Papa Jeph and cut the stream when they are 'about' to announce it.
meager warren
wouldn't be the first time
tropic trail
Oh Tuesday sorry I forgot timezone differences
It's almost 5 am here Monday and I didn't register it's the next day aha
pine bluff
Love those ship pictures.
tropic trail
Sadly I don't think we will have access to the allied races for a while
hollow dock
Theyre very beautiful galleons.
floral gyro
Oh I almost forgot
tropic trail
There aren't enough customisation options yet and also they haven't tested the questlines which they have to do I thinks?
pine bluff
Any word on wether or not there's a Cosmetic First Mate's Hat in any loot tables? I don't want to push but I need to know.
floral gyro
What's everyone's consensus on Vol'jin coming back? Personally I think he'll be an avatar of Bwonsamdi or something
hollow dock
Oh heavens no. I, and the rest of the PTR/Spoilers chat, have all agreed on the idea that it'll come at the end of the 7.3.5 patch cycle or more likely, at prepatch.
There are none other than the two hats from WoD, Jevil.
floral gyro
It'll probably be like DH's in Legion, come with the prepatch imo
hollow dock
Idd.
Some are resistent to this idea and claim the allied races will only be tested internally.
pine bluff
The Beta , No the next expac can't come soon enough
granite adder
So long as Vol'jin come back i'll be happy
hollow dock
Maybe this time he'll actually do something isntead of sitting around.
meager warren
as long as Vol'Jin comes back, i'll forgive him for breaking my heart by letting himself die. He could've been a DH
and brought the rise of DH trolls!
hollow dock
I'd personally want Human or Orc DHs before trolls.
Maybe even Gnome DHs before that.
meager warren
why?
floral gyro
Shadow Hunters ๐
meager warren
Trolls are closer to elves than Humans and orcs
floral gyro
please blizz give me my loa class
hollow dock
Elves aren't the only ones that can become DHs.
floral gyro
i wanna get the voodoo
hollow dock
Blizzard has even admitted to this. Demon Hunters can be trained by anyone strong enough to endure their trials. The only reason they made the DHs elves, at first, is because the only ones around are the Illidari. Which are entirely elven. Because Illidan didn't train any non-elves.
floral gyro
This probably is random but - On the topic of Illidari
the only thing that really irks me about the class is you can only be in Meta form for like 40 seconds at most
tropic trail
I hope they never make another race DH's sorry not sorry
I like it being exclusively to the illidari
hollow dock
Its on the table for future expansions.
tropic trail
I hope they never do ๐
hollow dock
Technically, any non-elven DHs will still be Illidari.
floral gyro
I have a thing for toggles I guess but I really wish Meta was a toggle and the big dps boost that Meta is is something like warcraft 3 where you just get bigger and shadow-y
tropic trail
Shadow hunters for trolls that would be cool
hollow dock
They just simply wouldn't be elves.
rich apex
Does sound like a bit of work for an old class, unless they won't get any cool looking skin options and such
floral gyro
Shadow Hunters, Blood Mages, and Necromancers are my most wanted classes that will probably never happen
Or bards
hollow dock
Yea. The sad thing is all of those classes, except the bard, bleed to much with the base classes we have.
tropic trail
Bards?
hollow dock
You know, jovial bunch. Sings and their allies get buffs and heals.
hollow dock
We've been over this Hyper!
floral gyro
Draenei Tinker
rich apex
I know
floral gyro
let me have my romuul cosplay
floral gyro
That's true
tropic trail
Would be nice if classes were more distinctive of race too. Like how Druids are
rich apex
(I do acknowledge Bards are a -slight- possibility)
floral gyro
Race /Class fantasy would be nice to have again
hollow dock
Bards are really the only class left.
rich apex
In before dwarf priest fear wards
granite adder
wait they were considering tinkers
hollow dock
Blood knights are just paladins.
rich apex
My money is between Tinkers, Necromancers, and Bards
And all of them seem kind of slim, so
floral gyro
They were a lot darker themed in BC which I liked
hollow dock
Well yea because they stole light from a being the Draenei worshipped.
floral gyro
Exactly
tropic trail
I was going to say blood nights but they are just paladins yeah
hollow dock
They don't need to steal light anymore.
floral gyro
What I'm saying is I think it'd be cool if we had that sort of thing again
hollow dock
In which we do have two edgy classes already.
floral gyro
In terms of a class and race combo being a seperate organization/belifes
like the Sunwalkers for Tauren
but in Legion they still say 'praise the light' when they dont worship it
tropic trail
Yeah like if you roll a blood elf pally it would say blood elf blood knight instead of pally on the name tag
hollow dock
The idea was that no matter their version of the Light, it's still The Light.
floral gyro
That's fair but still just kinda rubs me the wrong way
floral gyro
Elune also has a dark side though which is the justification for Nelf Shadow priests if I'm not mistaken
tropic trail
Yeah would be nice if when you pick the class for your race it tailors to your race
I'm still not sure what barbs are btw
hollow dock
While I do think Bards are really the only class left to introduce, there's not much for them in terms of a foothold in WoW.
Like the Bard profession exists, but not in the same way we know of them from DnD.
floral gyro
I always thought Barbs were basically just Arms warriors
tropic trail
Bard* sorry not barbs
floral gyro
Actually yeah that's true
rich apex
Bards are Outlaw rogues man
tropic trail
I have no clue what a bard is. Barb means like a barbarian doesn't it?
hollow dock
Outlaw is supposed to be Pirates I thought.
tropic trail
Oh right okay
rich apex
It is
meager warren
"Technically any non-elven DHs will still be Illidari" yeah, until they finish legion. but splinter factions of Illidari could rise from the ashes
hollow dock
Well the Illidari aren't breaking up post legion. Just like how the Ebon Blade didn't break apart after Lich King.
rich apex
I dunno how a Bard would actually play
Given they're not gonna make a buff emphasis class
So it'd just be a rogue
floral gyro
IDK but i'd love something like LOTRO where for flavor you can import your own songs
rich apex
Dude with a sword and leathers
tropic trail
I just think it would be weird seeming a human DH
hollow dock
In a combat focused game, even the healers are deadly. Bards, not so much.
hollow dock
Maybe its because in the Roleplay community, it's been normal to every now and then see a non-elf DH due to a decently written backstory.
rich apex
It is hard to complain about elf only DHs when the alternative is gnome DHs
hollow dock
For me, at least.
rich apex
That and Blizz said flat out that elf only allowed them to do more unique customizations
And I love the DH customizations
meager warren
The Ebon Blade and Illidari are two separate factions with entirely separate stories
hollow dock
Both banded together to fight a common foe that birthed the reason for them even existing only to have that foe defeated.
floral gyro
I've never seen a non Elven DH.
meager warren
and even with that, there's still a chance that one or both could have splinter factions of rogue individuals in either
rich apex
Anything's possible, assuming Blizz ever does class stories again ๐
floral gyro
Although Wyrmrest Accord tends to exclude anyone who isn't exactly lore following
hollow dock
I have no reason to suspect the Illidari will split up.
rich apex
Or assuming the Illidari become relevant again if they don't
As opposed to the Ebon Blade, who damn well better be relevant when Bolvar tries to enslave the world
hollow dock
Oh I dont roleplay specifically on the live servers. I head to private servers for my fix.
floral gyro
Ahhh yeah I've seen a few in that case
hollow dock
In which Hyper, if they do; You know which side I'll be marching.
rich apex
I mean, if the Naaru try to take over the world, I want an option to join them
meager warren
Vris, they're literally half demon. Why WOULDN'T they split up
hollow dock
Because they banded together to fight the Burning Legion and protect Azeroth. Half of that is done.
meager warren
they have every reason to
hollow dock
I dont see what being half demon has to do with any of it. If anything, they have more comradery in their ranks because of the demon within.
meager warren
now that the burning legion is more or less nonexistent though, what's left to protect? Now they can try to conquer Azeroth. Just, not the same as the Burning Legion would have
hollow dock
They even go out of their way to save one of their own that's trapped within a demons body.
floral gyro
I don't think the Illidari would really want to conquer Azeroth
rich apex
N'zoth is coming in 8.2, so
hollow dock
They're not conquerers. They vie for control over themselves to ensure Azeroths safety no matter what. Just like the ebon blade.
floral gyro
their whole thing seems to be taking revenge on Demons for trying to do that
tropic trail
I need more alpha pictures..
And yeah next expansion I really really hope we get, 1. lvling revamp to make quests more fun like today's standard and all old zones look high res. Would be a dream in the blood elf starting zone for it to be like suramar quests retaking quel thalas from the scourge. 2. Class reflective fancy of the race. 3 millions of customisation options which would also be cool if that was reflective of the class you chose to play too. Like say if you picked a human (hate humans) warlock. You can chose through a few demonic runes and such
meager warren
i said NOT in the same way the demons would have
hollow dock
We already got the leveling revamp Jordyn!
tropic trail
Yeah the demon hunters will stay together to defend Azeroth
By lvling revamp I mean quests sorry
floral gyro
like cata style?
meager warren
also, unless Blizzard has explicitly said we're getting N'Zoth/ whatever the fuck in 8.3, nobody knows and any "theories" made on the subject is conjecture
hollow dock
I never said they'd conquer it like the demons?
tropic trail
I guess yeah
tropic trail
Upto today's standards of quests
hollow dock
Calm down Arson, no need for that sort of language.
meager warren
Targai implied that i said that
floral gyro
All we know is the first raid is uldir and the 2nd is azshara
rich apex
And Azshara is 100% coming in 8.1
floral gyro
And i wasn't trying to, sorry
meager warren
swearing is allowed, Vris
floral gyro
I'm just saying it seems like they'd want to stay out of things like the dk's
hollow dock
^
rich apex
All of the NPCs will be conviently out of the picture either way ๐
meager warren
burn the heretic'
hollow dock
The DHs have no reason to conquer Azeroth. That weakens it and the Illidari have no real way of challenging the might of the Alliance or Horde.
granite adder
I am so hyped for the azshara raid
tropic trail
Goodnight ppl ^^
hollow dock
Especially since the alliance now has the Vindicaar in its arsenal
meager warren
The DHs are, arguably, the most powerful faction/ race of people on Azeroth (By lore, not gameplay) and so it may actually benefit Azeroth further
floral gyro
It's arguably the most powerful weapon on azeroth right now unless the belfs start churning out Mana bombs
hollow dock
I hope it does. This war would be over Very fast if they would use it.
But theyre incredibly small.
rich apex
still thinks the Vindicaar is drastically overexaggerated
much less the other bit that velen would never allow it to be used to bombard armies, much less cities
steel venture
Not really.
hollow dock
Considering the Vindicaar single-handedly stood its shields against the Burning Legions defenses on Argus
I wouldn't say its overexaggerated
meager warren
if the DHs of the Allliance and the Horde fought under one banner, the Illidari's and wrested the might of the Horde and alliance away from those assholes...
floral gyro
That's a good point actually
steel venture
A spaceship with a light-driven death laser is STILL a spaceship with a light-driven death laser.
floral gyro
Velen is pretty much neutral at this point and he probably wouldn't let the light driven death laser be used
granite adder
Quote of the day
steel venture
IDK: Teldrassil burning and being very close to Azuremyst and Bloodmyst might make the Vindicaar be on standby.
meager warren
Neutral Faction: The Illidari
hollow dock
Again Arson, I'm really doubting it. If the Illidari turned on the alliance and horde, they'd have two massive armies to fight against their one itty bitty ship and not to mention every other force on Azeroth would pile against them.
It's to much for them alone to fight. Without a Legion backing them up.
I mean heck, they lost the last time they tried that if you remember.
meager warren
The elves outnumber the other races ;)
hollow dock
That's actually very false.
uncut vault
Im still waiting for the Illidari vs Ebon Blade xpac/patch
at this point every race but the dwarves are near extinct
floral gyro
Illidari vs Ebon Blade would be pretty cool tbh
steel venture
Kaldorei were likely in the millions PRESUNDERING but, not post-sundering.
hollow dock
The Night elves are the current highest number of elven population. And only a very small portion are actually Dhs.
rich apex
Okay, fair, Vindicaar has good shields
meager warren
okay but my point still stands
rich apex
But the laser just blew open a few walls, it didn't incinerate armies
hollow dock
If I remmeber right, about 90% of the High elven population was wiped out. 90% of those remaining became blood elves and only about 3%, MAYBE, became Dhs.
meager warren
either way, the night elves would probably rather side with their friends and family over the people they were forced into allying with
steel venture
no race is extinct untill blizzard throws it in the can
meager warren
^
steel venture
high elves got a boost to their numbers to somehow create the silver covenant that had a functioning army.
hollow dock
Do understand that the High elves still numbered in the hundreds of thousands post Arthas.
steel venture
that number is non-canon.
we have no number.
hollow dock
That's more than enough to settle in Dalaran.
steel venture
period.
meager warren
also, Trolls are distant cousins of the elves, so they'd probably join the Illidari faction
floral gyro
Yeah but then 99% of those hundreds of thousands renamed themselves ๐
steel venture
we have no numbers for any race period.
uncut vault
I really wish blizz would either confirm or deny that the whole "10/1%" numbers with blood/high elves is still canon
floral gyro
Honestly though I don't see the appeal of high elves
steel venture
all numbers were from the non-canon RPG on the actual distinct
"high elves are in the 100,000s roughly." etc.
hollow dock
So then everything is overly populated and genocide means nothing, Xan.
I never said a specific number either
floral gyro
They're literally just blood elves with blue eyes
hollow dock
So please, don't assume Im quoting the RPG.
floral gyro
Like that's...All they are
uncut vault
nightborne are just night elves with back problems
floral gyro
I don't really see how that follows
meager warren
are we still talking about Alliance+Horde vs Illidari?
hollow dock
That may have been true right after Arthas Targai
floral gyro
They look entirely different and were seperated for 10 thousand years
hollow dock
However
floral gyro
Different culture entirely
hollow dock
Fel energy changed them.
floral gyro
Literally just their eyes?
floral gyro
The Blood Elves are pretty much light worshippers again anyways
floral gyro
Their magical reliance effected them right after the sunwell got destroyed, that wasn't because of Fel
hollow dock
As said by Blizzard, Fel is like radiation. Its mutations are going to be felt for a very long time.
floral gyro
and how is their skin changed at all?
hollow dock
No targai that's false.
floral gyro
I - I just replayed Warcraft 3
the blood elves haven't used fel/went to outland/etc when they start feeling mana addiction
hollow dock
They became wretched because of their fel addiction. It increased their addiction rather than solved it.
meager warren
irl, mutations caused by radiation is permanent
dunno if that's true in warcraft tho
floral gyro
It doesn't effect the entire race like it does belfs though
hollow dock
It affected all of the blood elves, but none of the high elves.
rich apex
I want to say Blizz said that the blood elves' eyes will turn back to blue eventually
floral gyro
They did
hollow dock
They already did
rich apex
Eventually (TM)
hollow dock
Eventually teh fel will rotate out of their genepool.
floral gyro
Which leads to my point in that there's not much of a difference between sin'dorei and quel'dorei
uncut vault
Political differences are a big thing
hollow dock
When the fel actually rotates out yes that'll be true Targai
floral gyro
Sin'dorei culture is a bit darker sure but that's starting to change what with Liadrin being powerful now
hollow dock
Liandrin doesn't lead the Blood elves.
floral gyro
No but she's been representing them in most of their appearances now
hollow dock
Because Lor'themar gets to do nothing in Silvermoon
floral gyro
Lor'themar didn't have any appearances in Legion other than the Vol'jin death and the feast thing
uncut vault
A lot of the remaining high elves have integrated into either the alliance, or into the Kirin Tor. They definitely have a unique enough look from Silvermoon there.
floral gyro
That's fair
hollow dock
In which, as I was saying earlier
floral gyro
I just feel like a difference in eye color isn't enough to be a whole new race
a customization option? sure
like I would like that
but I don't feel like a whole new playable race is warranted
hollow dock
Fel made their skin darker, their eyes green, it enhanced their magical addiction to the point of requiring a source to drink from
uncut vault
Which is why they can do what theyve done with allied races, options that the other race doesnt have yet
floral gyro
That's fair
although I feel like The Void Elves are blizz's answer to that which is probably not too fair but
tropic trail
They have pandas on both sides
hollow dock
Jordyn go to bed!
floral gyro
Neutral belf/helfs would be a neat compromise
hollow dock
Get rid of the factions please.
Let everyone be neutral and we'll have peace at last
floral gyro
I actually like the faction conflict
uncut vault
I mean, Im still betting that factions are going away at the end of BfA
tropic trail
I can't sleep aha
hollow dock
I hate it so very much
rich apex
Gotta have PVP
floral gyro
I don't like that most of the horde is belfs in game though
not lore wise i mean
in game
hollow dock
its contrived, stops progress and literally regresses any progress.
uncut vault
I love the faction conflict, but theyre hyping BfA up to be the finale of that conflict
floral gyro
agreed @uncut vault
tropic trail
I wish and hope next expansion the nail down on race fantasy and rework all the old lvling zones
rich apex
And, to be fair, actually disbanding faction barriers is probably a logistical nightmare of programming
uncut vault
Or at the very least the culmination of it.
hollow dock
Both in game and lorewise it's horrible because most of it doesn't make any form of sense.
tropic trail
Maybe BFA will end it
rich apex
So I'm mad cynical
uncut vault
Mechanically they probably dont need to break down barriers. SWTOR did the faction merge pretty well
floral gyro
I do wish that the horde and alliance had better reasons to fight but the whole Teldrassil thing might play out well
rich apex
Especially given N'zoth will pop up to interrupt
tropic trail
It seems kinda core though to the game
rich apex
SWTOR still has faction barriers, mostly
hollow dock
It is
rich apex
Just in certain zones/BGs it doesn't
tropic trail
Like you couldn't just go to Orgrimar anymore
floral gyro
My theory is N'zoth is causing the faction conflict in this expac and it'll stop once he's revealed as the big bad boss
rich apex
ESO completely broke them down, which probably saved the game
hollow dock
SWTORs storylien doesn't have the faction barrier for the players. They made a third one for us.
rich apex
(except for in PVP)
floral gyro
I...don't really think it was a good thing in SWTOR to be honest
rich apex
True. But that's becauase they can't afford to make faction specific storylines anymore. ๐
hollow dock
Everything else in the game stayed the same except for the story.
floral gyro
I miss the class stories from that game
uncut vault
Either could work. if WoW did it, theyd probably go more towards SWTORs, to keep old zones somewhat consistent.
rich apex
And they definitely can't afford to make class stories
hollow dock
I miss it too, but the thing is
tropic trail
What game ?
floral gyro
Star wars the old republic
rich apex
Oh man I so miss it
hollow dock
making 8 stories for all of the expansions would have been hella expensive and really difficult.
tropic trail
Ah
rich apex
^
floral gyro
Oh yeah that's true Vris
rich apex
You can have one eight hour story that's faction neutral
Two four hour faction stories
Or eight one hour class stories
floral gyro
I'd have preferred the faction specific ones at least tbh
hollow dock
I'll pick the former every time.
floral gyro
Honestly all you need to do for the class is just have some dialog
tropic trail
Yeah I mean when is silvermoon going to be rebuilt I wanna helps my ppl
floral gyro
'hey <darth>'
hollow dock
I think SWTOR handled the removing of factions perfectly.
rich apex
It's sucks, but that's deving for an underbudgeted, outdated MMO that's desparately trying to hobble along
floral gyro
Oh yeah they did do it pretty well
rich apex
They're doing as well as they possibly can
Just wish they were doing as well as ESO ๐
hollow dock
It's Bioware. They can make a trashcan have one of the most moving and personal backstories ever.
rich apex
This is very true
floral gyro
I want a Obsidian Bioware collab
Bioware writes the individual characters Obsidian the overall story
hollow dock
Give me Mass Effect New vegas pls
floral gyro
lmao
uncut vault
But in the end, if blizz wants to make High elves an allied/playable race, they can just make up some crap about how the fall of arthas shifted their kingdom into what it is now, and the silver cov kept alive old traditions that they totally didnt just make up
tropic trail
Oh! U guys ready
hollow dock
ready for what?
floral gyro
for zandalari? heck yea
rich apex
In before Blizz makes another elf spinoff but not high elves
rich apex
Exactly
uncut vault
Honestly, as long as its alliance, and has some normal looking skin, Im down
hollow dock
Draenei aren't elves
floral gyro
yeah i know
hollow dock
theyre far to busty for them.
rich apex
Yeah, draenei are better
hollow dock
Wait no, that's just demon hunters.
tropic trail
hollow dock
Bug elves
uncut vault
Im still salty Blizz made high elves all pale.
floral gyro
MECHA-ELVES
uncut vault
gimme darker high/blood elves
uncut vault
I more mean in the lore in general
hollow dock
My point still stands
rich apex
I'd play a mecha elf
floral gyro
I feel like blizz missed their chance with playable high elves with void elves tbh
tropic trail
Given the comment at the start of the video take it with a. Pinch of salt but it looks cool https://youtu.be/GFop3Be0yFc
uncut vault
white people elves are just so boring to me. Land of eternal sunlight, and you're all the same fourteen shades of white?
floral gyro
you could have just said 'HEY guys Alleria convinced the silver covenant to join us woo'
hollow dock
That's why the Blood elves are mostly tan
floral gyro
but instead they're exiles from SMC
hollow dock
I absolutely called that by the way.
Them being exiled from Silvermoon cuz Void+Light is a recipe for disaster
uncut vault
Im still hedging my bets on them doing a few patches of existing allies becoming playable
floral gyro
I thought they were Darkfallen when i saw them in the announcement trailer tbh
Mag'har orcs
hollow dock
They make a joke about that.
rich apex
Oh for sure
floral gyro
with that new chiropractor
rich apex
The question is when more Allied Races will come
hollow dock
I say 8.3,.
floral gyro
Probably in later patches or expacs
hollow dock
When the content slows down
rich apex
My money's on later expacs, but I'll sure be happy if it's with a patch
hollow dock
Just like Classic will come out during an especially long content drought
rich apex
Or at the end of an expac, like the current upcoming
tropic trail
I do love all the elf racial fantasies
floral gyro
Only 'full races' that I really want anymore are Ethereals and Naga and those could both come with a full void expac so I don't need them for this expac
rich apex
Eh, considering they said Classic is with a different team
uncut vault
Just give Silver covenant and high elves some crap about "keeping the traditions of both the farstriders and the magisters alive" and make their heritage set and stuff spellbow themed. Boom, allied race.
rich apex
Boi do I want Ethereals
hollow dock
Blizzard can purposefully hold out on release until they want.
rich apex
Truuue
hollow dock
They did that with Alexstrasza in Heroes of the Storm
floral gyro
Ethereals would honestly just be the greatest
rich apex
But it's not like they have a desparate need for money because of a content drought in WoW
hollow dock
No but it'd make sense to drop it during a drought.
Keeps the ravenous fans off their backs and keeps people playing a blizzard product
rich apex
(Also under the assumption that Classic will be baked in to the WoW sub)
tropic trail
Literally nobody hyped about the cut scene? ๐ https://youtu.be/GFop3Be0yFc
uncut vault
theyre temp
hollow dock
Not really. I want to see the full actual scenes.
rich apex
Not when it currently looks like a 2010 machinima ๐
hollow dock
Not some strips of a datamined stuff.
tropic trail
I know but cool none the less
uncut vault
baine just bitch slapping a human was funny
rich apex
^
hollow dock
Oh god. Machinima.
floral gyro
ooh we do get Jaina back in the siege of lordaeron though
hollow dock
Hyper why do you have to remind me that exists.
floral gyro
That's cool as fuck
tropic trail
Haha that was funny. Still gives an idea of the way it will play out
uncut vault
the jaina anim looked surprisingly polished for a temp asset
hollow dock
Well how they want it to play out now.
rich apex
Illegal Danish intensifies
hollow dock
What jaina animation?
hollow dock
That's the animation of a human female being hit by an attack
floral gyro
Probably gonna be used in the full version
hollow dock
I should know. I have a human female tank.
uncut vault
Oh I know its existing anims, just saying it looked like a real enough trip while running
hollow dock
All ya gotta do is freeze the bottom into a running animation and flip the top animation.
You can even do that with in game spells
assuming you have Gm commands
tropic trail
What do u guys think the next plausible races are to be added in the future ? They really need to imporve on the current races customisation options though
hollow dock
Mag'har Orcs, Wildhammer Dwarves, a Forest Troll Tribe, and the Taunka are the most likely ones in my opinion.
uncut vault
Theyre rpobably sticking with the Allied Race format
rich apex
^
uncut vault
so no doubt they'll do existing allies first, since those are the ones most in demand
rich apex
I would love new hair styles tho
tropic trail
Taunka would be so stupid
rich apex
That'd also be nice
tropic trail
Just like pandas but even more stupid
floral gyro
Mag'har are very likely with the 'orc clan' armor
hollow dock
I mean. this is a game where we have british werewolves turn into seals.
There's nothing to stupid.
tropic trail
Aha true. I just kinda hate the 'unbelievable' races
hollow dock
Like our talking cows?
rich apex
We already got short men, really short men, wolf men, pointy ear men, tusk men, big tusk men...
tropic trail
Like the snakes in bfa and the turtles
uncut vault
Just gimme some dark skinned high elves on alliance, and I'll never ask for another thing from Blizz again.
rich apex
Space demon men
tropic trail
Although yeah we have Tauren I guess
hollow dock
We have lizard people
rich apex
Tiny green men
rich apex
And dead men
tropic trail
Lizard ppl?
hollow dock
Saurok.
rich apex
So many nominally different humanoids
hollow dock
The lizard men from Pandaria?
tropic trail
Oh the jinu?
hollow dock
Those are the evolved forms of the murlocs :p
tropic trail
I thought they were okay. Much more believable than a snake
hollow dock
tropic trail
Yeah exactly they are like evolved murlocs I likei
hollow dock
They even have cute frills
tropic trail
Ohhhh yeah
hollow dock
We also have the statues that gained sentinence.
tropic trail
I dunno. Just some of the races in the game seem silly
hollow dock
Half of this game is really silly.
hollow dock
Think of it: A bunch of elves that evolved from trolls summoning in werewolves from a different dimension to beat goat elves that serve demons and end up becoming werewolves themselves and can only be tamed through a scythe.
rich apex
Next is brown bois and thicc bois
uncut vault
if the next allied race doesnt have snitties, Im not interested.
rich apex
(maybe)
hollow dock
that's the entire Worgen incident.
rich apex
In before snake titties ruin RP forever
hollow dock
SNEEPLES WITH SNIDDLES
steel venture
the only snake tiddies that make sense are naga
saurok with breasts already happened in Hearthstone.
it looks AWFUL
rich apex
laughs in argonian
tropic trail
What are snitties?
hollow dock
Snake titties
tropic trail
Oh aha
hollow dock
Like sneeple is snake people
tropic trail
The mutated snakes look stupid to me :/
hollow dock
Dont ever play Dark Souls
tropic trail
I hope the next race stuff will be like being able to be an undead elf
rich apex
Undead Elves are a possibility
OH YEAH
We'll get Undead Elves before we get High Elves
That's completely unironically possible
hollow dock
we'll get the evolved bug elves before we get high elves.
tropic trail
I wish high elfs would rejoin silvermoon
hollow dock
They have no reason to. The blood elves kicked them out
rich apex
Vereesa's about to get killed by the Horde, so
steel venture
tropic trail
I know sadly just wish they would rejoin their society. I also kinda think all the elfs and undead should leave the horde.
rich apex
(*probably)
hollow dock
Veressa's probably going to get killed by the horde.
hollow dock
OH GOD THAT IS A SNEEPLE WITH SITTIES
tropic trail
And the horde go back to being shamanistic like it was
hollow dock
I THOUGHT THAT WAS JUST A NORMAL SNEEPLE
rich apex
No one's ever leaving the Alliance/Horde
steel venture
ITS A SAUROK WITH TITS.
PAINTED ON LAST SECOND AND YOU CAN LITERALLY TELL
tropic trail
That's nice artwork
rich apex
At least she's got eyelashes to tell she's female
hollow dock
YOUL CAN SEE THE NIPPLE
I've only ever seen the card played and never indepth looked at it until now
steel venture
if you cannot design a creature to be female without adding tits you basically have failed as a character designer
tropic trail
I do hope they leave factions and u can just represent your race main problem with that is guilds
rich apex
So you mean every fantasy female race ever
hollow dock
laughs in Arakkoa
rich apex
Okay, that one is fair
uncut vault
High elves have no real reason to rejoin the Horde. Vereesa considered and denied that option in war crimes
hollow dock
I mean
rich apex
Just wait until we get curvy ogre women
rich apex
Vereesa doesn't exactly speak for all high elves anyways
uncut vault
Hense considered. Only reason she was gonna join was for Sylvanas
She does speak for a large faction of them though
hollow dock
where's mei when I need them
rich apex
True
tropic trail
Yeah that was a good book
hollow dock
I need that picture of Veressa hiding her kids
rich apex
But there doesn't appear to be any unified high elf faction beyond the Covenant
Which is pretty much just Vereesa's private army =p
uncut vault
If the original helf numbers are anything to go by, its probably the majority of helfs
tropic trail
No but Alleria wants to take silvermoon and rejoin all of the blood elfs she could very likely convince veressa
uncut vault
since theyre composed of most of the helfs in dalaran
tropic trail
Although there are tensions
uncut vault
Alleria doesnt want it for the horde though
she specifically wants it for the alliance
She'd want a united high elves if anything
tropic trail
I know but she wants the blood elfs is what I'm saying ๐
hollow dock
Alleria went to Silvermoon only to see the Sunwell and because of Sylvanas
rich apex
Thus we settle for void elves
hollow dock
she doesnt' want to rejoin anything
uncut vault
Nah shes there on a mission from anduin
floral gyro
She was asking Lor'themar to join the Alliance
uncut vault
Shes denied, and asks Lorthemar to at least see the sunwell before she leaves
tropic trail
Not true vris, She does. She wants silvermoon to ask them rejoin the alliance
floral gyro
Lor'themar's response to the void elves/alleria is pretty much one giant 'begone thot' tbh
tropic trail
Aha
rich apex
Rommath: the Void might be dangerous
Alleria: accidentally summons a void monster just by standing next to the Sunwell
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rich apex
Umbric: accidentally summons something that almost enslaves him and his followers
tropic trail
I can't wait to do those quests tbh
floral gyro
Can't wait for void elves honestly
rich apex
Like I don't get why people don't get Lorth and Rommath's reasoning
The Void ain't fun
hollow dock
She really isnt.
rich apex
And after Kael going full fel crack, they probably toned down on the whole 'power by any means'
tropic trail
I do love her character
hollow dock
At least not yet.
rich apex
Yeah, Alleria's not a raging prick
hollow dock
^
floral gyro
God they ruined Kaelthas
rich apex
And actually cares about people
hollow dock
She takes some of the same actions as Illidan
rich apex
(She's super wrong about the Void, of course)
floral gyro
Makes me really sad because he was so cool in war craft 3 and the books
hollow dock
Nah
rich apex
But at least she cares very specifically about specific people
hollow dock
The void is perfectly fine. If you're strong enough to weild it, then do so.
rich apex
Ehh
floral gyro
Bring Kael back tbc's shit writing was merely a setback
rich apex
I will be highly surprised if it doesn't bite her in the ass
uncut vault
Alleria purely takes in the void to get back to Turalyon and Arator. Illidan did it for a mix of power, getting back at his brother, and getting the glory for saving azeroth
tropic trail
I just mean that in the same sense she's going to teach ppl to use dangerous energies similar to illidan
hollow dock
Well yea but that's any teacher :p
floral gyro
Although the velfs would have gone insane if she hadn't helped
rich apex
And Alleria didn't tell the blood elves to start smoking void crack
tropic trail
The void consumes all
uncut vault
Difference there is also that the void elves didnt willingly take on their struggle, illidari do
tropic trail
I'm sure it will consume her sadly
floral gyro
I hope not
tropic trail
Oh yeah true
hollow dock
No the void elves did willingly delve into the void Port
tropic trail
It's forced on them
floral gyro
They researched it willingly
uncut vault
They delved into the void willingly, didnt become void elves willingly
hollow dock
They were warned against doing it prior and delve right back into it.
rich apex
Void is a hell of a drug
tropic trail
Well regularless of their power boost they still sought the magic of the void
hollow dock
Do not fear the dark, and let the feast begin.
tropic trail
They are like the illidari and the DK's in the sense that they are small number of outcasts
floral gyro
Like a void dreadlord
hollow dock
Void dreadlord is just a normal dreadlord.
uncut vault
Even though their void wings are probably just edgy void things
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uncut vault
would be funny if the void elf PC just took pieces of a naaru and just