that's how a storyline works
#beta-ptr-spoilers
hollow dock
dense plover
^
you cant have yin without yang
there is no world without story
and there is no story without a world
tropic trail
when i used to play ff14 i knew a whole group of people who knew 0 things about the story and instead just showed off how good of a tank they were and how everyone else sucked
dense plover
chartacters who want to explore need a story so they have purpose
hollow dock
for some reason I thoguht that was word.
tropic trail
some people just like playing mmos to be competitive
dense plover
those people in ffxiv
thats a rare occurence
most people care at least a bit about the story
infact, there are some mandatory cutscenes in that game
tropic trail
i wouldnt say rare in ff14 haha, there was like at least and entire group of them for each server
half haven
there purpose, is that A: they paid money for this game B: most people arent enticed by this games story from the moment they logged in
hollow dock
Oh please. People pay money for shit they never use all the time
half haven
i got the game at the time because friends were playing it and they really enjoyed how it felt
dense plover
i paid for a movie
hollow dock
that's never an excuse to stay
dense plover
if i didnt like it, thats my problem
in fact, if the movie sucks, i might leave halfway through
half haven
i did not ever get into this game with the mindset that i would spend all of 2016 researching everything about this games story
dense plover
but im not going to go ask for a refund
tropic trail
ngl i pay for wow subscriptions and only play like 4 days of the month i paid for
hollow dock
what i can't wait for is Harbinger to come in here and threaten to get us banned for being so off topic
dense plover
you dont need to research anything
hollow dock
An RPG is almost nothing but story
dense plover
good job pulling that fact out of your ass
hollow dock
otherwise its a pretty shit RPG
half haven
you dont go into zelda thinking that the story is whats gonna carry you through temples
dense plover
when you say a lot of, or most, it literally means you are using anecdotes and bullshit
yes you do
hollow dock
I did. That was the only reason I played zelda. to progress the story
dense plover
zelda starts off with long ass cutscenes
about the hero fo the triforce
i think your mindset is the problem here, not the games
hollow dock
Like. The first bit of an RPG is Roleplay
dense plover
^
mint arch
zelda and story LUL
mental onyx
This is first time in 13 years I have every character on max level, and the sole reason for that is bacause I wanted to experience all class stories
Every class*
meager warren
is this the same guy who said that the game's story doesn't matter, a while back?
oh wait, no that was ace
actually, they were saying that the game didn't have a story just because they never read the text
tacit vine
austism
meager warren
that's rude to autistic people
tropic trail
Is it possible to view the new questing armor in the modelviewer yet?
meager warren
i wouldn't hold my breath but idk
tropic trail
i like how the female vulperas dont have eyelids
meager warren
can't wait to see the new continents :3
jade basalt
@tropic trail Yes it is possible
hollow dock
Probably because theyre not finished.
tropic trail
How do you do it @jade basalt ?
jade basalt
Click an item and then 'view in 3D'
tropic trail
Oh, where did you find the items?
muted iris
Does anyone know if the hunters stables are gonna get more slots yet? Or no?
tropic trail
Hmm, it doesn't seem to show any http://bfa.wowhead.com/items/slot:1#itemsgallery:920
dense plover
We know pretty much nothing about small changes
Models and spell changes are really easy - relatively speaking
But text changes and behind the scenes changes like for the stable, are more complex and are generally not worth trying to find
rich apex
They'll probably say when the new weapons and armor are in the model viewer
terse patrol
I get the feeling that Dark Irons will be getting a reduction in crafting time with the Mass Production racial.
Maybe 50% faster?
Or at least 25%.
rich apex
haard weerk pays oof
rich apex
Gold boost sounds kiiiinda OP
terse patrol
Ye. Could be something else. But idk what.
rich apex
Unless it's just like +10% off mob gold drops
rich apex
(in before it gets nerfed anyways)
meager warren
i'm pretty sure humans get an xp boost and that's pretty op as well
rich apex
Humans do?
I mean, humans -are- the superior race
But I usually use the rep boost as justification for that 😛
meager warren
wat
zinc sandal
It's rep boost, Arsonite.
meager warren
ah
rich apex
Yes
If they want to add an exp boost in BfA, I sure won't complain 😛
(in before the rep boost gets nerfed, under the assumption that paragon reputation will be coming back, therefore making the rep boost infinitely more useful)
zinc sandal
I wonder if only Horde will have access to the Zandalar dungeons. I would assume not, right?
I really want those sets.
rich apex
They won't
I'm 90% sure Blizz said at Blizzcon that's essentially like Deadmines
It's pretty much an Alliance dungeon, but obviously Horde can still run it
zinc sandal
Good, good.
rich apex
So you'll be running everything for the heroic farm
runic vault
Anyone else thinking "Orc no need pants, orc barbarian! Orc Smash You pants wearing human!" when they see this: http://prntscr.com/i6jd5v
I kinda like it with no pants, if its a warrior it totally fits the barbarian theme
zinc sandal
Hulk smash!!
rich apex
(the irony, of course, is that pants were considered barbaric by ancient Romans and Greeks IRL)
runic vault
But that was ancient greece and rome... Barbarians were BCE
rich apex
Yes, and the fantasy barbarian tropes are generally based off of those cultures that were considered barbarians
runic vault
True
rich apex
Conan should be wearing pants, basically
runic vault
Like to rome, the northern invaders were barbarians
Hyper, you also really excited for the possible preorder tuesday?
rich apex
Ugh I hope so. Gotta get them Allied alts rolling.
runic vault
So do you think you gotta get the achieve to race change a character?
rich apex
Nope
runic vault
Well, I didn't ever do Insurrection, but now have to because of being a Nightborn requirement
That and it will likely be a few days after launch cause my sub ends in literally 61 mins from now
uncut vault
Insurrection takes like no time
runic vault
Depends, do you have Suramar done already?
See, when you are 4/11 chapters done, its MUCH longer
uncut vault
I mean, are you expecting to get them without having the zone done?
rich apex
BfA ain't gonna be out to till like November anyways
runic vault
I am hoping end of summer, but sadly it is likely going to be end of November
and so the Legion Content Drought begins
tulip sun
I am sure at least the four races will be added
rich apex
MMOing ain't easy
tulip sun
And the pre event...we should be good, ya?
hollow dock
At least theres something to do in legion.
rich apex
Blizz can say they'll cut drought all they like, but still sure can't put out an expansion in a few months
runic vault
Yeah
hollow dock
THb I always expect the drought to be just slightly shorter each time and thats it
rich apex
I'll be a cynic so I can be pleasantly surprised if it's September 😛
mint arch
so sylvanas plague bombs undercity?
tulip sun
Yup
mint arch
toooootally not evil
for the horde eh
im sure the plague bombs are harmless
just really stinky to get dem damn alliance away~
mint arch
september
zinc sandal
At the latest.
They seem to be working pretty fast, and we've received more than one surprise so far.
mint arch
sure, for the evil horde sylvanas is leading
hollow dock
denies the alliance and any horde traitors access to plague research material, prevents them from squatting in Undercity and thusly getting access to Silvermoon via teleporter as well as leak into the lands around it.
mint arch
tht somehow okay with using the plauge
hollow dock
its incredibly smart from a tactical perspective.
mint arch
blizzard, just say there were planted normal bombs that destroy all that shit
hollow dock
Its like blowing up your own city or burning farms as you retreat.. Take out as many of the enemy as you can while you also deny them resources.
mint arch
and done, we dont have a horde that is somehow okay with using the PLAGUE
i agree vris
my issue is the plague part, blizzard couldve just made normal bombs
sigh
meager warren
it was Garrosh that had a problem with the plague
hollow dock
well normal bombs really dont do as much damage as a plague would. Not to mention that it doesn't prevent them from clearing out Undercity for alliance use, which the plague does.
meager warren
Sylvannas, who is the current warchief, doesn't
mint arch
no, using normal bombs is perfectly fine as it would destroy all the shit
that would need to be destroyed
hollow dock
It really would just collapse in a bunch.
mint arch
USE MAGIC bombs, fine
hollow dock
which is easily remedied.
mint arch
w/e
meager warren
why wouldn't they use plague bombs? then the forsaken get a greater population
hollow dock
Well
mint arch
...
meager warren
ooh
hollow dock
If they deploy plague, its for lethality
meager warren
i thought the plague is the reason for the forsaken
hollow dock
The original Scourge plague yes was the reason for the forsaken
However, the new plague that the Forsaken create during Wrath of the Lich King was designed specifically to kill the undead. A tool to use against Arthas and the Scourge as well as the Alliance.
mint arch
i dont see how the fck tauren, saurfang, the new horde allied races, trolls, so on
would be okay with use of the plague
hollow dock
again, Im seeing it from a tactical position.
Its just denying Undercity to the alliance
mint arch
tactically sure, u can deny undercity using regular bombs
meager warren
oh good, another reason to hate Sylvannas
hollow dock
By the time the plague is deployed, little to no horde are left within the city.
those that are are either prisoners or dead regardless.
mint arch
...
hollow dock
Denying resources to the enemy while also covering your retreat. Its perfectly sound as to why she's using it.
mint arch
pls get saurfang as warchief
hollow dock
The only reason Thrall and the Horde in general had any issue with it is because of Putress firing it on the horde. Garrosh had an issue with it because he saw it as cowardly
not inhuman.
meager warren
Garrosh hates the undead and everyone who's not a brown orc
meager warren
so his judgement isn't too reliable
hollow dock
And it'd be weird if they suddenly have an issue with it now
considering sylvanas has been using the plague liberally since cataclysm
CoughcoughSouthshoreCoughCough
hollow dock
I hope she does, but its not because of Old Gods. Its just her going insane.
meager warren
i hope the horde pc will be able to kill her
mint arch
i dont agree that the horde dont have ethical issues with the plague
meager warren
and do some magic to bring Vol'jin back
mint arch
granted i doubt much of the horde knew of the use of the plague
hollow dock
That'd be a shock to me void
runic vault
CoughCough Varimathras worked with her CoughCough oh yeah and CoughCough all problems now and past between factions have mostly been involving her people or those under her control CoughCough
hollow dock
considering its been in liberal use since WRATH OF THE LICH KING
that's a good what
7 years in game?
runic vault
pretty much
meager warren
7 years irl, an unknown amount of time in game
hollow dock
Its not that long ago that Wrathgate, Soutshore and Gilnaes happened
all with the plague
runic vault
Nah, its worse. This fleshy thing people call a body is dying and coughing much worse
hollow dock
heck if you fly over undercity, theres a bunch of plague being produced
desert totem
hehe
mint arch
plague use was in wrath
hollow dock
and Gilnaes
mint arch
and cata it was banned
hollow dock
and Southshore/Hillsbrad
Sylvanas broke the law back then and used the plague in Hillsbrad and Gilnaes
mint arch
was there open use of it after that?
hollow dock
Legion they deployed the Plague again.
desert totem
I mean if GIlnaes is any indication it dissipates rather fast anyway
mint arch
legion did use plague, but then legion barely had horde so i dunno
hollow dock
We fight outside of the main city, which has been plagued.
runic vault
Vris, they didn't (As far as I know) in MoP or WoD
hollow dock
Im sure if Sylvanas and the Forsaken were more involved
desert totem
True, just wish there was some graphic representation of that in game.
hollow dock
they'd have deployed more plague
desert totem
since you can runa round the entire city without a care in the world lol
wild pewter
When do people think Allied Races will be avaliable initially?
hollow dock
end of 735s life cycle and during prepatch
desert totem
probably pre-patch for everything but zandalari and dark iron
true matrix
aw damn, we don't have the pinned FAQ any more
runic vault
Prepatch or with Preorder @wild pewter
hollow dock
Gad damn it
wild pewter
I'm hoping Pre-order!
desert totem
yea
hollow dock
It most certainly will be for early access with a preorder
desert totem
I'm expecting a preorder announcement during the Q&A
wild pewter
Same
hollow dock
Dont expect anything
runic vault
I mean and ending like that
hollow dock
you'll have a happier WoW life that way
desert totem
expect thing, doesn't happen, .. then it doesn't happen :p
mint arch
plague potency: "It is now controlled by the Horde and serves as a quest hub, complete with a flight master. Yet due to the toxicity of the blight, the land will be inhospitable for a hundred years or so"
Ruins of Southshore
desert totem
I care not either way, just anticipate said thing 😛
hollow dock
thats the great thing about being a pessimist.
runic vault
Ending of Livestream So alright, after all this hype for BFA, how about you all go preorder it now, preorders should have gone live 5 mins ago, and with it comes allied races early
desert totem
'hoping for' and anticipating potential for, two very different things hehe
hollow dock
I expect nothing so I can't get let down
wild pewter
What time is the livestream on Tues?
hollow dock
I think its like. 3 or 4pm EST.
wild pewter
Thanks guys!
wild pewter
So 8pm GMT
hollow dock
Sounds about right
desert totem
GMT? Yeah it'd be around 8pm
mint arch
tbf, even if alliance captured undercity without sylvanas plaguing it, the real prize is gilneas
hollow dock
Not really. Its a plagued wasteland
meager warren
part of Gilneas is a plagued wasteland
also, the forsaken's entire starting area is plagued so
and the undercity is plagued
mint arch
seems horde dont take Teldrassil land either
meager warren
we've only seen the burning of teldrassil so can't really say now
tropic trail
Do you think quest sets will be faction-specific this time
hollow dock
No the horde will get to quest in Kul'tiras and the alliance will quest in Zandalar
:p
tulip sun
Not the same
hollow dock
during our PVP expac
zinc sandal
Hard to tell. It would make sense, but you would kinda miss 1/2 of the expansion.
rich apex
I'm assuming a singificant amount of the quests will be faction specific tho
At least until 8.1 when N'zoth pops up
tulip sun
^^
plain vigil
N’zoth will be 8.1
8.2*
8.1 will be whe we actually go fight the horde on the islands/over seas
wild pewter
So excited! 😄
rich apex
Man, I would love a Shadowlands zone
Helheim was way cool, should've been more than just a mini zone
hollow dock
the nightmares been dealt with
plain vigil
Ur wrong actually
zinc sandal
LOL yall talk like you know what's coming and when
rich apex
The Nightmare was dealt with before we dealt with it 😛
hollow dock
Im right actually
the Rift is small
its unpowered. It's effectively gone. For now.
plain vigil
The rift of aln hasnt been cleansed
rich apex
Admittedly, it's pretty unlikely they would bring it back already
hollow dock
I know
I just said it isn't gone.
It's been reduced to nothing more than a fleck
While its still very deep, it's not going to prop up anytime soon
We did a much better job in handling it than Malfurion did. Who essentially swept it under the rug
glossy sparrow
waiting for actuall BfA so he could cry how it's next worse xpac ever :")
plain vigil
Lmao
uncut vault
malfurion just wanted to get back to teldrassil to bang tyrande
glossy sparrow
yeeeeeeeea boi
hollow dock
He literally just pushed the nightmare off a cliff and left it there
glossy sparrow
xD
plain vigil
The rift of aln was the start of the whole void thing...
hollow dock
Void started LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG before Aln was made
dense plover
rift of aln has been there for a long time as well
it was created by malfurion in his initial attempt to seal the nightmare
glossy sparrow
i think this is not anything related to this chat room tho.
hollow dock
Yes it is
dense plover
bfa beta spoilers includes stuff that wouldve gone in ptr spoilers
uncut vault
spoilers chat has basically always been "talk about lore without restrictions"
hollow dock
It's talking about speculation related to BFA so everyones on the same page.
dense plover
lore discussion goes here too
uncut vault
because its a channel that allows for future speculation
dense plover
when its related to speculation
hollow dock
We did this shit a lot in the PTR chat
dense plover
^
hollow dock
mods let it fly :v
glossy sparrow
i didnt think about talking some stuff
dense plover
they dont want it in main chat
glossy sparrow
that happened shitlong ago xD
hollow dock
Hey man
dense plover
especially because for some it is spoilers
glossy sparrow
w/e
hollow dock
people still consider saying Darth Vader is Lukes father to be a spoiler
glossy sparrow
i actually dont really care 😊
plain vigil
@hollow dock i mean the start of the void threat in legion obvi
glossy sparrow
I just hope they will make PVP great again
plain vigil
Should we flag a mod and ask @glossy sparrow 😂
hollow dock
That's not entirely correct. There was never a real threat of the Void until we land on Argus and get to MacAree
plain vigil
Not true, there are major lore connections between N’zoth and xavus
glossy sparrow
if they dont it wiill definitely be the end of wow for me xP
glossy sparrow
ah n'zoth was always my favourite old god
hollow dock
but Xavius coming about had nothing to do with N'zoth unfortunately :v
It was just poor sealmanship with Malfurion as the Legion set em free.
Again we need to leave Malfurion to die next time he gets captured
plain vigil
But some are speculating that the world tree is how N’zoth was able to make the rift... cause it grew into his prison
hollow dock
You dont have to speculate
plain vigil
I agree as well
uncut vault
We know how they breached the dream, trees roots got into Yogg's prison
glossy sparrow
^
hollow dock
Yogg-saron got into the emerald dream because fuckboi Fandral grew a world tree RIGHT NEXT TO HIS PRISON
and because Yoggy got in
N'zoth slipped in
uncut vault
even worse, fuckboy fandral saw saronite and said "lets put a tree on it"
glossy sparrow
and then yog casted equal number of spells to the number of spells casted inside of world tree during ihis slubmber pun intended 😊
plain vigil
https://youtu.be/h30FxEeOSxo @hollow dock
hollow dock
No we didn't find him
glossy sparrow
and make his overdraw his resourcess and die from fatigue
plain vigil
Title is a bit inaccurate
hollow dock
he's still sealed in his prison as of Tomb of Sargeras
plain vigil
But watch the vid
hollow dock
Nah I dont watch discount Matt Pat.
plain vigil
LMAO
hollow dock
I hate matt pat as it is
true matrix
youtubers were a mistake
hollow dock
Just like anime
glossy sparrow
wow after wotlk was a mistake if weare going in that direction 😊
or at least pvp changes
:"C
glossy sparrow
i'm here from early TBC.
meager warren
technically, everyone's birth was a mistake
glossy sparrow
^
plain vigil
ANYWAYS bottom line 8.3 = shadowlands
rich apex
Boi, I hope so
glossy sparrow
yeah by bible it was all an incest 😊
plain vigil
O;o
glossy sparrow
haha
meager warren
that's gross
plain vigil
What bible you reading 😂
meager warren
and likely not true
hollow dock
We've been to the shadowlands tho
Several times in fact
The shadowlands is literally just the Twilight Realm. Its all the same dimension
meager warren
we've also been to draenor already but look at WoD
hollow dock
Draenor and Outland are very different though
meager warren
but.. they're pretty much the same exact thing
true matrix
we don't go to draenor every time we die
glossy sparrow
xD
true matrix
now that'd be terrible
hollow dock
Terrokar Forest doesnt' exist on Draenor just like Spires of Arak don't exist on Outland tho
meager warren
one is just the alternate timeline's version of the other
glossy sparrow
before and after
hollow dock
that makes them very different
glossy sparrow
nothing else
hollow dock
I'd say visiting a built castle vs a destroyed castle are very different things
glossy sparrow
it's still the same space shaped and named differently nothign else
meager warren
i'm pretty sure terrokar forest does exist in draenor
hollow dock
it doesnt
plain vigil
“The battle for Azeroth Continues over land, sea, and air” Cover of WC 2, where this xpac gets its name... land - The battle for Lordaeron Sea- the islands/Queen azhara air- the shadowlands....
olive mirage
except you know, gul dan
glossy sparrow
ah yes
hollow dock
Gul'dan isnt on draenor
olive mirage
the gul dan we killed this expansion, was the draenor version of gul dan
olive mirage
our gul dan died ages ago, its what illidan got power from
plain vigil
Terrokar forest happened after the mass exodus to talador. Then the sundering happened and The spire broke off into the nether, while The outcasted terrokar bathed in void corruption
meager warren
^
glossy sparrow
adn then you say timeline is not a mess
hollow dock
It isnt
hollow dock
Wha?...nothing in WoD happened in Wc2
meager warren
Draenor = Old Outland
hollow dock
When was the Iron Horde in WC2?
plain vigil
Timeline is a big mess 😂 infinite timereavers messing about, dreanor lead to our success over the burning legion if not that, than it atlwast added to our armies in BFA... so yeas, the timeline is a mess
glossy sparrow
about “The battle for Azeroth Continues over land, sea, and air” Cover of WC 2, where this xpac gets its name... land - The battle for Lordaeron Sea- the islands/Queen azhara air- the shadowlands....
hollow dock
Battle for Azeroth has nothing to do with WC2
and the shadowlands is a different DIMENSION
hollow dock
it has air land and sea like our current one
glossy sparrow
he/she kinda lost it xD
hollow dock
The shadowlands are a void counterpart to our current reality.
glossy sparrow
so u just killed ur own theory
plain vigil
@wc2 cover shown at blizcon
hollow dock
Just like the emerald dream is a pure untouched version of our world.
meager warren
just like Draenor is a counterpart to Outland?
true matrix
there are no fewer than 13 versions of the Warcraft universe timeline
glossy sparrow
which just proves that what I said that timeline is a mess
plain vigil
meager warren
actually, since alternate timelines apparently exist in Warcraft, there are no fewer than an infinity of alternate timelines
plain vigil
Map where Air is between death and chaos and a counterpart to the shadowlands from chronicle
true matrix
@meager warren oh, no, I mean written timelines
plain vigil
@Arsonite#9235 There are alternate timelines, but ours is the main one according to the bronze dragonflight
hollow dock
that map also says Fel is related to light.
meager warren
ah
glossy sparrow
on that note wat vris said that when we are dead in game we go to shadowlands. why are we not voidversions with super dark abilities then?
hollow dock
Because we're dead souls
glossy sparrow
perfect targets for everything voidpowered
hollow dock
Its not a map
plain vigil
BOOM GET WREKED
meager warren
"we're dead souls" wow, how convenient. that totally trumps their argument
glossy sparrow
xD
true matrix
@meager warren https://wow.gamepedia.com/Timeline
glossy sparrow
she just killed her own theory with saying that
plain vigil
^^^
meager warren
^
glossy sparrow
then accesing shadowlands should make us nothing else then dead souls with no abilites
glossy sparrow
and we should never be able to quest there
other then
go to ghostkeeper and revive
xD
meager warren
that.. doesn't say anything about "dead souls"
plain vigil
Actually if we can enter the dream we can enter the shadowlands
hollow dock
This is the plane player characters are sent to upon reaching zero health.
v
The Shadowlands (also called spirit world,[1][2][3] Shadow Lands,[4] ghost world,[5] spirit realm,[6] astral realm,[7] world of spirits,[8] world of spirit,[9] Other Side[10] and spirit void[11]) is the place where the spirits of some creatures go when they die,[12] and are nightmarish realms of decay between life and death.
meager warren
that doesn't help your argument lol
plain vigil
Not technically
tacit vine
did I hear trump
meager warren
NO
hollow dock
is the place where the spirits of some creatures go when they die,[12] and are nightmarish realms of decay between life and death.
glossy sparrow
WALL
hollow dock
is the place where the spirits of some creatures go when they die,
hollow dock
the first sentence
meager warren
is not helping your argument
hollow dock
Like the Emerald Dream, the Shadowlands are tangentially linked to the world of Azeroth. Yet whereas the Emerald Dream represents life, the Shadowlands represent death. They are nightmarish realms of decay, labyrinthine spiritual planes teeming with the souls of the dead who have passed from the world of the living. The origins of the Shadowlands remain uncertain, but they have existed ever since mortal life first arose in the physical universe. Many believe that mortal souls are drawn into this place at the point of death, where they remain forever after. Still others hope that their souls will go on to a brighter place, rather than languish for eternity within the cold confines of the Shadowlands.[13]
its where the dead go to lay.
glossy sparrow
like I would see shadowlands as a version of world where deathknights get their mounts
plain vigil
Link to where u got the info? And dont say wowwili
hollow dock
Thats exactly what the shadowlands are
plain vigil
Wiki*
plain vigil
Cause wowwiki is outdated af
meager warren
they linked to gamepedia
hollow dock
meager warren
not sure how oudated that is but
hollow dock
its not outdated at all
meager warren
either way, it doesn't help your argument
hollow dock
You can even see the picture of the chronicles right there.
uncut vault
wowpedia's frequently updated and moderated
true matrix
no-one sources wowwiki any more lmao
hollow dock
My argument is: We've been to the shadowlands many times before. There's nothing for us there.
true matrix
anyway I got here late what's the big argument here?
plain vigil
We’ve been to parts
But theres the old gods to deal with
So there’s everything there
glossy sparrow
@true matrix no
meager warren
No, your argument is: When we die, we go to shadowlands. Because we go to shadowlands when we die, it can't possibly provide us with anything else
glossy sparrow
I said that wow timeline is a mess
uncut vault
Where did the idea that the old gods have anything to do with the shadowlands come from
hollow dock
I have no freaking idea
glossy sparrow
and she started with shadowland ssaying that im not right
meager warren
can you provide your source for how we have no reason to go there?
true matrix
I mean we'd go there if we needed to like. talk to a dead person
glossy sparrow
that it;s perfect
hollow dock
and Arson, unless you're a fresh DK getting your mount, theres nothing there for us
plain vigil
Old gods represent death they kill to feed the void
true matrix
they represent void, not death.
meager warren
The Shadowlands is WoW's version of The Underworld
plain vigil
<@&299347348847329281> spam please clear
true matrix
they're different elements
glossy sparrow
nibba ull get a report if u link that thing for 100th time
meager warren
People have a reason to visit the underworld in various mythologies, however you spin it
glossy sparrow
also she claims that astral plane is same as shadowlnads lol
hollow dock
to get the dead.
barren latch
@hollow dock One link is enough
meager warren
and, oh yeah, Warcraft is related to mythology
tropic trail
shadowlands fake
glossy sparrow
@west relic scroll back
hollow dock
We have no dead to get other than maybe Vol'jin and we have a Loa guiding him here
uncut vault
There is no war in ba sing se.
glossy sparrow
ses not right, but all she is capable of is to spam the god damn link
plain vigil
@west relic intervencion cleared it
glossy sparrow
so
meager warren
Vris, and approximately how do you know that?
glossy sparrow
to clarify
west relic
@hollow dock, are you on desktop or mobile?
hollow dock
Mobile.
glossy sparrow
what I was talking about
tawny tree
If you post a link multiple times by a mistake. Please make sure to delete the duplicates afterwards.
glossy sparrow
just answer
true matrix
the shadowlands aren't an old god thing. it's a reflection of azeroth, just like the emerald dream, and like the dream represents life, the shadowlands represent death.
glossy sparrow
with yes or no
uncut vault
DK's do go in again in Legion, most they find is wayward spirits of the dead
glossy sparrow
is wow timeline a mess
tropic trail
voljin should not only come back to the world of the living, he should also be my friend irl
glossy sparrow
?
barren latch
Mobile sometime lags and makes you send multiple messages w/o noticing
west relic
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. The same thing happens to me when I post links on mobile.
hollow dock
No it isnt a mess.
plain vigil
The loa are most likely the wild gods of death... they may be connected to the old gods @hollow dock
barren latch
BTW @glossy sparrow relax lol
hollow dock
Wild Gods aren't connected to the Old Gods.
meager warren
WoW timeline is too a bloody mess
hollow dock
it really isnt.
glossy sparrow
2/1 y/no
meager warren
smh
tawny tree
Discord has had some issues lately with delay on messages. It's posted on their status site aswell.
hollow dock
If you just look at a timeline that Mei linked
plain vigil
2 arguments at once is always fun
uncut vault
inb4 bwonsamdi just has a jar of troll souls he collects and isnt actually connected to the shadowlands
hollow dock
you'll see its very much in order
glossy sparrow
xD
true matrix
wild gods are connected to the primal force of nature. old gods are connected to the primal force of void. nothing to do with one another.
glossy sparrow
why did they claim at blizzcon
plain vigil
@tawny tree vris did it intentionally she got a bit heated
glossy sparrow
that bfa is a reference to wc2?
hollow dock
Because theyre going back to Horde versus Alliance
glossy sparrow
as to a quoted
hollow dock
which is all that Wc2 was about
meager warren
it may be in order but some parts of the timeline are out of whack
glossy sparrow
by @plain vigil +
tropic trail
everyone calm down. voljin is my friend irl, ill just call him and ask.
meager warren
it being in order is irrelevant
hollow dock
They really aren't, unless you can pull some facts about it being messed up and improper
glossy sparrow
@tropic trail ❤ do it pls. say hi to him from me. I miss the old trollfart :C
tropic trail
he says "stay away from da voodoo"
plain vigil
@true matrix i’m saying they’re opposites, loa are beings of death wild gods are beings of life, you are correct my point is they are connected because they are opposites, just like the light and void
glossy sparrow
but but, how? ;C voodo is da wae
true matrix
loa are wild gods though
glossy sparrow
tha's what he said :C
tropic trail
as a joint answer to the questions and you
tawny tree
@plain vigil Alright 😃
true matrix
like, this is written in chronicle. loa, ancient guardians, the august celestials -- they're all wild gods.
meager warren
http://prntscr.com/i6kf97 Anduin as a kid
http://prntscr.com/i6kfhd Anduin in BfA
it's definitely a fucking mess
tropic trail
what a twunk
glossy sparrow
xD
plain vigil
😂👌
hollow dock
That's anduin as a kid in vanilla
glossy sparrow
(perfection
plain vigil
I like how the litch king is just casually standing next to baby anduin
glossy sparrow
ikr
hollow dock
in which we actually dont know how old he was back then
uncut vault
I mean, the timeline's not really that jumbled. We've gotten basic numbers.
meager warren
Vanilla was, what 13 years ago?
hollow dock
They just picked a child because it represented him as a kid. Which can be anywhere from 12 to 5.
meager warren
and Anduin is 20?
true matrix
just because there's a lot doesn't necessarily mean it's a mess
uncut vault
7ish, anduin's 17-18
meager warren
20 something
hollow dock
We dont know anduins age as of right now
glossy sparrow
and a wc2 content being released 8 years aftr wc3 tft content 😊
plain vigil
Anduin should be my age, 18-19 ish
plain vigil
I was seven when i started playing in bc, so was anduin...
glossy sparrow
gandem find that quote from blizzard again
plain vigil
Which one
hollow dock
This is going back to Horde vs Alliance which was the main point of Wc2
We're going back to those roots.
plain vigil
The one about wc2?
hollow dock
Find me the exact quote
tropic trail
i feel like expansions should be more than one in game year
hollow dock
They should be
hollow dock
but blizzard said they aren't
tropic trail
like what conflict is even solved in a year
glossy sparrow
lol
plain vigil
meager warren
that would screw up the timeline even more
meager warren
"The battle for azeroth continues over land, sea, and air"
plain vigil
Shown at blizzcon as their inspiration for the name
meager warren
how is it not what Blizzard has said?
uncut vault
did
meager warren
your argument is weak af
hollow dock
Because blizzard hasn't said the words 'WE ARE BRINGING BACK CONTENT FROM WC2 FOR BFA'
meager warren
Poe's Law is a thing, Portergauge
hollow dock
So theyre bringing back Wc1 and Wc3
meager warren
they've explicitly said that they are bringing parts of Vanilla, which includes wc2, back for bfa
hollow dock
Their exact quote explaining warfronts was 'It would be like a match in Wc3'
uncut vault
closest theyve said is that theyre bringing RTS elements into the game, which WC2 happens to be
hollow dock
Vanilla =/= Wc2
meager warren
WC2 was part of Vanilla
hollow dock
No it wasnt
glossy sparrow
“The battle for Azeroth Continues over land, sea, and air” Cover of WC 2, where this xpac gets its name... land - The battle for Lordaeron Sea- the islands/Queen azhara air- the shadowlands....
meager warren
smh
glossy sparrow
I was looking for this
uncut vault
WC2 was a looooong time before vanilla.
hollow dock
That's not an exact quote of blizzard Nx
meager warren
Vanilla is everything before BC
uncut vault
WC3 happened four years before.
glossy sparrow
^
hollow dock
No. Vanilla is after the five years of pause from Arthas being frozen in Icecrown
That's how the timeline works
plain vigil
Another point to why shadowlands would be 8.3... litch king would have a major part in it, the pvp mounts are new PROTO DRAKES wotlk2 confirmed
hollow dock
That I can see. But Lich King being apart of BFA in any meaningful way, I dont see that much
plain vigil
Ahh @glossy sparrow yea i didnt wanna type that
glossy sparrow
so timeline goes likke wc1 wc2 wc3 wc tft vanilla tbc wc3 tft some random time after cata a mess of time mop jumping back to wc3 in wod then legion and now back to wc2 for bfa
plain vigil
After that setup in legion @hollow dock SERIOUSLY!?
meager warren
Vris, you looking for "exact quotes" means your argument is falling apart
tropic trail
what if wow 2 came out and people were like "i miss the OLD wow. remember the first day demon hunters came out?? blizz has really gone downhill"
thatd be really great to me
hollow dock
People will say that no matter what
meager warren
actually
uncut vault
"Four years have passed since the mortal races banded together" WC3 was four years, Arthas becoming the Lich King is slightly less.
meager warren
it fell apart as soon as you started
tropic trail
damn cant believe i did that
hollow dock
You still haven't proven anything youve said other than the words 'battle for azeroth' has appeared on the Wc2 cover.
which those words were also said during the Well of Eternity and just about every time azeroth has been fought over.
hollow dock
Its not a mess.
glossy sparrow
u keep moarinig about shadowrealms like I care xD
hollow dock
You can look up any timeline made by people halfway competent
glossy sparrow
I already said
plain vigil
Its a theory mate based on the idea that the employees at blizzard are SMART and they CHOOSE THINGS FOR A R E A S O N .
tropic trail
the timeline isint a mess. its "lived in"
hollow dock
^
glossy sparrow
i only care about I hope blizz makes pvp great again in bfa nothing else
and pvp gear relevant
cuz i never liked raiding more then casually
uncut vault
Honestly, I much prefer the time crunch as opposed to time skips
meager warren
Battle For Azeroth appeared on a poster that was released around the release of WC2. Stuff from WC2 and other parts of Vanilla are being returned to the game with BfA
uncut vault
time skips would be a nightmare for story and RP
glossy sparrow
and having to do so to get good gear is a poain
hollow dock
Like what Arson?
tacit vine
I want to eat pve players with pvp gear
glossy sparrow
@tacit vine ❤
meager warren
warfronts, for one
true matrix
@glossy sparrow wait. are you implying we're going to be time travelling back to the setting of WC2? because that's what it seems like you're implying by saying that alongside the WoD = WC3 thing.
glossy sparrow
ah good old days :/
hollow dock
Warfronts is a general RTS, REAL TIME STRATEGY portion of ANY rts game
that is not specific to Wc2
or Vanilla
meager warren
except
glossy sparrow
this is tiresome xD
meager warren
warcraft isn't really a rts game
hollow dock
Warcraft 1-3/TFT is an RTS game
true matrix
...yes. it is??
hollow dock
World of Warcraft isnt
true matrix
^
plain vigil
I feel like @hollow dock takes this to seriously @glossy sparrow Even when her facts are blatantly wrong
hollow dock
But the original roots of Warcraft are very much, all four of them, RTS games.
meager warren
it's grindy af. The game requires less skill and more gear
glossy sparrow
i said 25 times alreadyt that im just bored
tropic trail
cant believe blizz would steal the idea of a rts from stellaris :/ smh
glossy sparrow
and want to say that pvp is garbage as it is now
plain vigil
If you wanna argue find a channel to argue in, we’re here for DISCUSSION @hollow dock
meager warren
^
true matrix
oh boy you must be new here
glossy sparrow
that got us iin variouse other
meager warren
actually
glossy sparrow
arguments
dusky ginkgo
I think they are, new it is.
glossy sparrow
which i rly didnt want
uncut vault
The salt and arguments have carried over from PTR spoilers, I see.
tropic trail
anyways, pterodactyl form guys
meager warren
arguments should go in #no-wow-discussion
dusky ginkgo
What's the actual argument by the way?
glossy sparrow
^
meager warren
but most people don't know that
hollow dock
The original argument started over the Shadowlands being a possibility of 8.3.
glossy sparrow
at some point i said that wow timeline is a mess
hollow dock
And now the timlines apparently a mess.
plain vigil
idek vris just disagrees with everything
glossy sparrow
and then vris got triggered xD
true matrix
@dusky ginkgo something about WC2 and shadowlands, I didn't quite catch the gist of it
tropic trail
pterodactyl ...
meager warren
And, Vris, unless you work at Blizzard, you have no way of knowing that we won't be visiting Shadowlands in 8.3
true matrix
"triggered" oh boy we've got an edgelord over here
plain vigil
^^^
dusky ginkgo
@true matrix I tried to go a bit back, but the conversation have been a mess for some time now it seems.
plain vigil
@true matrix triggered is the proper term to use
true matrix
it really isn't
glossy sparrow
it is
meager warren
and, unless you work at blizzard, how do you know that, vris?
dusky ginkgo
No it's not.
glossy sparrow
when 6 ppl say something
plain vigil
In this case it is
glossy sparrow
and you would link something nonrelelvant
true matrix
it really isn't
glossy sparrow
just to prove them wrong even tho they are right
plain vigil
In this SINGLE case it is
true matrix
it really isn't
plain vigil
Night @glossy sparrow ! ❤️
glossy sparrow
wow timeline is a mess
tropic trail
my finger hurts
glossy sparrow
❤
tropic trail
alright everyone lets discuss vulperas
meager warren
http://prntscr.com/i6kjw9 @true matrix
tropic trail
theyre fennec foxes for one
dusky ginkgo
Sure. What do you want to say about Vulperas?
meager warren
it is
dusky ginkgo
Well, obviously they are fennex foxes.
tropic trail
they can be red and pink, thats cool
tacit vine
they need to go extinct
plain vigil
Horde can take them if i get snaek
dusky ginkgo
It is.
true matrix
linking a dictionary definition doesn't help the argument, you know what was meant by it
tacit vine
all I'm sayin
hollow dock
Im not distressed tho. I am pretty aroused.
deep frigate
big ears and widdle nosies
tropic trail
widdle nosey woseys
hollow dock
In which arson
true matrix
PTSD isn't something to joke about
meager warren
i don't know what was meant by it. all i know is what was said
hollow dock
What reason do we have to go into the shadowlands?
tropic trail
the vulperas would be a super cool allied race
meager warren
if they had intended for something else to be said, they could have used other words
true matrix
I've been sick of the "triggered" """meme""" ever since it came into prominence
plain vigil
@hollow dock 😂.aroused at arguements
tacit vine
they are cooler if extinct
hollow dock
I get very erect at them
true matrix
@meager warren they should have used other words
glossy sparrow
okay im sorry
tacit vine
triggered meme is nice when used vs femnazis kek
dusky ginkgo
From what I've understood, they ally with the Zandalari/the Horde in the story, so sure, why not.
meager warren
i've been sick of the meme as well but the word itself works in this case, i think
glossy sparrow
because she wasnt right
tropic trail
in conclusion, this is why they should be added as an allied race.
dusky ginkgo
That's better N'X'Sin.
hollow dock
upset is closer to it. But still pretty aroused.
glossy sparrow
you can sleep now?
glossy sparrow
ahahahhaha
tropic trail
oh hell yeha
mint arch
using triggered against feminazis is always fun
hollow dock
I want bugs first.
mint arch
:D
hollow dock
Specifically, Bug elves.
glossy sparrow
UwU @mint arch ❤
meager warren
"bug elf" wut
tropic trail
i too love arguing against people that dont exist
hollow dock
Its a joke we came up with in the PTR chat.
dusky ginkgo
I mean, you can't really loose when you argue against non-existing people.
tropic trail
i would like a buggy race tbh
glossy sparrow
yep
olive mirage
the Vulpera have a reputation tied to them, so its entirely possible they might be an allied race 
hollow dock
Before we saw the full wound of Silithus we humored the idea of the wound creating another well of eternity
tropic trail
those like mantid things in pandaria
plain vigil
Id make the void controlled argument @hollow dock but as you can see by my profile picture that’d be a wrong statement, so yea bugs are possible
hollow dock
And what did the well of eternity do?
dusky ginkgo
I would like a bug race too.
hollow dock
Make elves.
hollow dock
Yes
tropic trail
i just like bugs
hollow dock
YES
tropic trail
bugs = cute
hollow dock
ITS THE GREATEST INVENTION EVER
true matrix
I miss the klaxxi... :(
tacit vine
reptiles > bugs
hollow dock
Elven Klaxxi
meager warren
Well of Eternity doesn't make elves
plain vigil
LMAO THE WELL OF ETERNITY DID NOT MAKE ELVES
dusky ginkgo
It would be an original playable race. I don't know if we ever had one in a game?
hollow dock
It didn't make bugs
true matrix
I mean. it did make elves
hollow dock
it made the trolls transform into elves
true matrix
^
dusky ginkgo
From head, I can't cite any.
glossy sparrow
leyline spiders are dope
hollow dock
Slowly over time through magical radiation
plain vigil
Wait
tropic trail
on the first day the well of eternity created Bug,
plain vigil
Which well @hollow dock
meager warren
it mutated the trolls
true matrix
playable bugs... I can't think of any off the top of my head
hollow dock
The Well of Eternity.
plain vigil
@tropic trail 😂
meager warren
that doesn't mean it's going to turn the bugs into the same thing
hollow dock
It made the elves via mutating the trolls
so we made a joke about a second well being made over the wound and transforming the bugs into bug elves
plain vigil
@hollow dock pre sundering or the one that caused the sundering!?
dusky ginkgo
It means that we need to have playable bugs people, so as to be the first game to propose that.
meager warren
except, older than teenage
plain vigil
👌
hollow dock
they basically are
glossy sparrow
lovely
hollow dock
Technically its all the trolls fault
dusky ginkgo
They're the native specie, after all.
true matrix
honestly just make them talking bugs and I'll play them
olive mirage
the other half is aliens
glossy sparrow
yes
uncut vault
every font of power needs a well associated with it
tropic trail
now i really want klaxxi
uncut vault
its just a rule of warcraft
dusky ginkgo
Great, now I really want a playable bug.
true matrix
most of the playable races are aliens
tacit vine
I'll foreva stand wit trolls
meager warren
the elves are mutated trolls.
the bugs would be mutated into something else
the well of eternity does not make elves
hollow dock
That is very true Port
glossy sparrow
why cant we play as some bugs :C
tacit vine
everyone else is an illegal immigrant
meager warren
a joke that makes no sense
tacit vine
gtfo azeroth, need a big planet sized wall
meager warren
at least make it funny
glossy sparrow
life
dusky ginkgo
Do we need to build a wall on the Eastern Kingom?
hollow dock
To you perhaps, we mused the idea of everything turning into elves.
uncut vault
I mean, it's consistent. Azeroth's period blood makes lesser races into elves.
glossy sparrow
so basically all azeroth needs is one troll to become Trump?
dusky ginkgo
"No more illegals titan constructs"?
tropic trail
that joke was like my little brothers attempt at a wall joke
glossy sparrow
\
olive mirage
trolls settled around the original well, the wells power effected them and made them wise and immortal, creating the first elves
hollow dock
Inb4 Azeroth herself is a troll
tropic trail
like hes the kind of person to just randomly say "triggered" to his teachers
glossy sparrow
hahahha
hollow dock
It'd make sense for her to be a troll, tauren or fish lady
dusky ginkgo
My joke wasn't that bad
glossy sparrow
Vol'jin ya be missd man
true matrix
@tropic trail I hope your little brother grows up soon :v
hollow dock
It was tear-able
dusky ginkgo
Voting for troll Azeroth
tropic trail
i work at his school and ive told him time and time again to like, get a better repertoire