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#beta-ptr-spoilers
shy oriole
tropic trail
I WANT ALPHA ACCESS
true matrix
"I want" never gets
strange falcon
mint arch
u know the way to get access?
mint arch
hmm, i shouldve meme spelt it
*do u noe da wei to access
xP
im just memeing cause Dafire avatar xD
tropic trail
i kinda like the vulpera with goblin animations . that being said, goblins are one of my fav races
silk hare
Wait. Are the datamined stuff from BETA or ALPHA? Wowhead says BETA, MMOChampion says ALPHA
tropic trail
pretty sure its the beta
mint arch
doesnt matter though xD
tropic trail
even on the lil preview site its like "beta soon"
mint arch
ya, in game previews, alpha and beta are just buzz words
silk hare
There is still a big difference between them, so it does matter.
mint arch
well, when developing and such stage, yes, alpha, beta are indeed different versions
but for content open for player testing and preview, nah
we have "pre-alpha" games on steam already
true matrix
steam is not a good example for that considering the amount of shovelware
mint arch
true
sour geyser
DayZ flashbacks
mint arch
lul
uncut vault
Preorder add spotted in Australia š
uncut vault
tropic trail
AWESOME
edgy raven
If that's legit, I'm super stoked. ><
shy oriole
.-.
If that's real.. That's weird then.
How does Autralia get a hold of that first.
deep frigate
they're in the future
vast mirage
how much was legion pre order?
shy oriole
And i really want alpha or beta.. :c I want to play something after a surgery XD
I just hope.. that in future they'll make the snake race.. The sethrak a playable race.
Not a fan of the foxes ;
tulip torrent
I dont see the preorder bonuses :/
shy oriole
If their tails were fluffed. And longer.. They would have me.
tulip torrent
someone from Australia FAST go and check
uncut vault
Lots of places have the physical preorder stuff. Just not online as that poster says
vast mirage
then..
people who buy it on stores
can play first?
im confused
what can we do with pre order?
can we play allied?
rich apex
We'll find out when we can pre order
uncut vault
Preordering the physical copy is still inferior
Because the companies donāt have the boxes yet, youāre just paying to reserve a box when they do
So you still donāt get bonuses till 8.0
tulip sun
I m getting it as soon as it's anmounced
tropic trail
same
tulip torrent
i am getting a digital copy probably
tropic trail
i kinda miss getting physical copies tbh
shy oriole
Digital too probbably.. But Might get tempted to get a physical.
tulip torrent
i dont like the lines on the launch day for my physical copy
tropic trail
but it not worth waiting months for what everyone else gets instantly tbh
vast mirage
pre orders dont run out right? xD
tulip sun
I always get digital
tulip torrent
you can always get a digital one yes
shy oriole
Pre-orders on digital can't run out Xd
I mean Digital is good.
You just wont get the music and stuff
Xd
tropic trail
for me i just like looking at it
tacit vine
I hope it aint more than 60eu
tulip torrent
if the price is like that in australia
the changes are it will be the same in euro
for eu
vast mirage
i converted the australian price
tulip torrent
and dollars in us
vast mirage
it was 45 euros
tulip sun
Expansions have been 60 dollars in the past I think
tulip sun
Oh? -terrible memory'
uncut vault
Pretty sure you can get the bonuses with a physical copy if you provide proof of purchase to Blizz
tulip torrent
last time i got a preorder
tropic trail
i just want preorders up already, i have a love/hate thing with spending money so i wanna do it asap and get it over with
tulip torrent
i got a box right away
with a drawing of a disc and the code
inside
its just the empty disc box without the extra stuff
prime kestrel
dense plover
isnt that just the goblin dance?
runic vault
Guys, VULPERA AND GOBLINS SHARE THE SAME SKELETON, ANIMATIONS, AND SIZES
dense plover
^
runic vault
Vulpera are remodeled goblins with extended snouts and ears
dense plover
yeah
they are in fact the most likely next allied race
just based on the fact that they dont need to do almost any work
add some more VO
runic vault
I checked the animations and compared it. Sneak = Same, Dance = Same, every animation is the same
runic vault
Vulpera = next Allied Race
dense plover
its really really easy
runic vault
and I am hoping snake people
tulip torrent
they will add some custom animations later probably
dense plover
if they arent next, i would be surprised
runic vault
I am also hoping that over the course of the xpac, we get more and more allied races
like 8.1/8.2 we get Vulpera as a Neutral/1 Faction Race alongside another
So by the end of BFA, we have another 3 races available for each faction
tulip torrent
vulpera will be interesting as feral druids ^^
tight wagon
allied races was a great idea by blizz
to add more customization without having to do whole new skeletons and such
runic vault
but now the problem, we have to make all new characters for them
rich apex
You don't -have- to play a new character
dense plover
^
i imagine that allied races are going to be the new story achievement unlocks
get a race faction to exalted and finish their story? get the race
it wont be for everything
but for those that make sense or are easy?
sure
i mean, i would love tortollans or sethrak, but those arent going to happen
rich apex
Wildhammers when
runic vault
Wildhammers are likely
rich apex
Thankfully, yes
runic vault
I would love to be a sethrak rogue but thats questionable unless we see some sort of Sethrak rebels
rich apex
My wishlist is just Wildhammers and Kvaldir for now š
sour geyser
Broken racials inc
cinder knoll
Kvaldir doesnt make much sense imo, thats almost like Scourge
but Wildhammers are very likely imo
rich apex
Helya's dead
Just have to free them from Odyn's enslavement now
And they join the Horde
Seeing similar fellows in the cursed, but honorable orcs
Who were also used as pawns by uncaring gods
zinc sandal
I mean, from that perspective, we shouldn't have Forsaken
cinder knoll
seems more like freed Kvaldir should be able to just rest in peace as they are dead already
rich apex
They should, but there's no justice in the world
And Odyn didn't want to cure them of their curse
Only use them as fodder the same way Helya did
So when the Vrykul join the Alliance
Given they see the kvaldir as beasts to be wiped out
tropic trail
id play alliance a bit more if they added wildhammer druids
mental onyx
Vrykul do have both make and female models..
And they have a good leader, Sigrid or whatever her name is, slightly fel infested girl we beat up in mage tower challenge
solid sparrow
Still waiting for those ogres
mental onyx
Kvaldir are bound to hell ya even after her death it seems
plain vigil
@mental onyx kulātiran are their answer to vryākul as they are similar in stature but not absurdly big. Although they made a mistake with the phat wemen... they should have made the wemen more like zarya. (Purposefully not saying fat or women as to not offend.)
mint arch
... saying fat or women is offensive? -_-
plain vigil
@tropic trail I agree, wildhammer druids would be perfect. Then give them a gryphon flight form and a Ram ground form.
To some
Not to me
But to some
plain vigil
^^^^
karmic scroll
ok, that orc Clan armour :O
that'll go well with the Tusks of Manoroth right?
plain vigil
@karmic scroll do you plan on rolling a Magāhar orc?!?
tropic trail
i drew some wildhammer druid forms a while ago but i did it with a trackpad so it looks soo bad . their cat form totally would be a lynx tho
karmic scroll
Mag'har?
karmic scroll
I do indeed
plain vigil
We belive the armor will be their allied race gear
tacit vine
prekrasnaya
plain vigil
I personally believe that Kul tirans Zandalari Magāhar and Dark iron will launch with release
karmic scroll
it'll be my first non-samurai looking warrior
plain vigil
As it makes sense thematically
karmic scroll
also, i LOVE this set
I actulaly had real world armour like that back in my LARP'ing days
it screams English roundhead troops
tacit vine
looks better on fat people
mint arch
i dont think launch will have more than the announced allied races
since blizzard wanna make story quests and shit for em
karmic scroll
but yeah, switch out the Tusks of Mannoroth on this huh?
plain vigil
Magāhar orcs have as much content on beta as dark irons...
karmic scroll
and use teh Fury hidden artifact skin
plain vigil
Kul tirans and zandalari have more
mint arch
ya, but these are races in the xpac themselves
like main xpac and story and all that
so obviously there's a lot on em
i feel like blizzard will have a reputation req for something like kul tiran
they'd also want to save up content for later patches in xpac
uncut vault
I mean, if maghar do become an allied race, they'll just be the horde's version of dark irons probably. Tied to the War Effort reputation most likely
plain vigil
Explain why theyd be messing with magāhar orcs already though
uncut vault
to tease us?
plain vigil
@uncut vault exactly
mint arch
who knows, tease, they have story rdy
plain vigil
No not to tease us
mint arch
or w/e
tacit vine
edging and teasing
plain vigil
I just think story wise it makes more sense that we get kul tirans and zandalari AND THEN magāhar and Dark iron
mint arch
but imo, BFA release will have 3 allied races each side and we'll see more later on in xpac
uncut vault
It's not as though 8.1 is all that far off from release
mint arch
for sure mag'har and kultiras later on in xpac since all the assests are there
tropic trail
i was thinking the same thing earlier for kul tirans and zandalari . the kul tirans just seem so much more unique but im thinking the reason dark iron was made the selling point is because like..
uncut vault
assuming they follow MoP/Legion schedules
mint arch
legion patch schedule is the way they going with BFA
karmic scroll
I'm happy with this
mint arch
8.1 then 8.1.5 then 8.2 and so on
uncut vault
Dark Iron are more unique, draws more people to the max level of BfA
mint arch
^
uncut vault
thats the most likely reason
mint arch
dark iron are unique indeed
plain vigil
my problem @tropic trail the males are not fat humans the males are muscled up, but the females are LITTERALLY just fat humans
uncut vault
base human model but chubby isnt as inticing as base dwarf model but on fire
tropic trail
idk, theyre both muscle gutty
mint arch
the females are just fat, id more want muscular females o.O
uncut vault
We havent seen a shirtless kul tiran female to know if its muscle or fat
karmic scroll
they aren't fat, they're immensly strong
uncut vault
there's a really good in between word between the two extremes though
theyre just thicc
mint arch
strong is not a physical description, fat is
tacit vine
dire trolls are thicc
tropic trail
the female kul tiran models remind me of these girls who used to ride my bus in freshman year who did like .. lifting . i dont think it counts as "fat" as much as like heavy built in that sense
tacit vine
and stronk
mint arch
but ya, there is an inbetween
karmic scroll
tacit vine
hoomans are just fat
plain vigil
@uncut vault right which is why i think they are doing all four, it thematically makes sense to start with kul tirans and zandalari then the others, marketing wise, throwing a big one like dark iron makes sense...
uncut vault
I mean, I dont think anyone would complain if we got a surprise extra two at launch
mint arch
its marketing for sure
uncut vault
it does make sense for all four to be max level
each faction gets one race from a continent, and one from existing allies
plain vigil
Alliance will have light-forged in dreanor on the vindicar over shatrath. horde will get that black tower thing that was never finished in dreanor
@uncut vault i was thinking blackrock mountain!?!?
rich apex
Assuming we will actually see Shadowforge, anyways
tropic trail
something im a little concerned about is how the race selection screen will look
rich apex
Or beyond seeing it in a recruitment quest scenario
plain vigil
@rich apex i like how you still have the santa hat
rich apex
Well, Wowhead -did- just give us the best gift of all
uncut vault
theres a button at the bottom
tulip torrent
after we cleaned argus from the legion shoudn't the draenei go back to their original world ?
uncut vault
to swap between normal and allied races
tropic trail
thats what i figured
rich apex
Argus ain't clean man
tropic trail
good
rich apex
We killed the big boi demon, there's still a million left
*contained the big boi demon
dense plover
also, argus is a broken corrupted planet
tulip torrent
yeah but the head is gone
tropic trail
im excited, im bringing a rl friend new to WoW when bfa comes out
dense plover
there is no home there
plain vigil
@tulip torrent you havent finished antorus have you? š
tulip torrent
they are good enough to fight alone !
terse patrol
Velen himself says that Argus canāt be saved. It can only be avenged.
dense plover
^
terse patrol
Iām hoping the Krokul came back with us.
dense plover
argus is dead
uncut vault
velen also very much wants to leave it
dense plover
it is a dead planet
tulip torrent
but now they have brand new flying gold ship
dense plover
and?
tulip torrent
lets gather them all in the ship and leave them on argus
dense plover
its their ship
tulip torrent
FOR THE HORDE !
uncut vault
I still like that the lightforged just kinda hijacked the vindicaar from the exodar draenei
plain vigil
@tulip torrent argus isnt in the vicinity of azeroth anymore
dense plover
š
rich apex
-Hopefully- at some point the Krokuul are acknowledged
It would be kind of a dick move to leave them behind again
(tho Hatuun volunteered the first time)
dusky ginkgo
In three expansions
plain vigil
@uncut vault its okay, the Velenless drenai from dreanor take it back
terse patrol
Playable Krokuul pls
dusky ginkgo
^
plain vigil
Hopefully not... i think we need a few more unique races
dusky ginkgo
Sneeple?
tulip torrent
Naga ?
terse patrol
Alliance would finally get Broken.
uncut vault
I was legitimately surprised when they chose lightforged over broken. That new model seems perfect for a unique race
terse patrol
wtf would a female Broken look like
tropic trail
im hoping for playable vulperans still but im kind of concerned on whether they will be considered as they use the old goblin rig
dusky ginkgo
I wanna play a sneeple
plain vigil
I mean rn we already will be having 6 playable troll races...
rich apex
Yeah, Krokuul got a texture update, but they'd still need a lot of work to be playable
tropic trail
the animations look great for goblins but the vulperas have that weird old model eyelid thing going on
rich apex
Compared to Lightforged just being reskinned with new options
terse patrol
no
plain vigil
š
dusky ginkgo
Honkerton> the same as those we have seen, but with horns
tulip torrent
they are kinda bold
rich apex
Hopefully they do more work than that š
terse patrol
The person who made that ārealisticā Draenei model was cancer.
tropic trail
was it not a joke
dusky ginkgo
It was
terse patrol
But nah, female Krokuul should have a Krokuul looking face.
uncut vault
was april fools
dusky ginkgo
April first some years ago
plain vigil
@terse patrol better yet female krokuul are just sporeegars šš
uncut vault
was during the reveal of all the model revamps for WoD
dusky ginkgo
wat
uncut vault
april 2014
terse patrol
tfw you and your wife turn into Broken, and you canāt get it up anymore cause yall both remember when you used to be attractive
terse patrol
rip
karmic scroll
Broken Goat coast to coast
plain vigil
Brb checking for beta updates
rich apex
Looks like someone needs to built additional pylons
plain vigil
Thinking about it, the big thing that needs to change with kulātiran women is just the face
And maybe a bit more arm muscle
rich apex
Considering the KT models are for NPCs, and not Allied Races, presumably a number of things could change
plain vigil
But just a lil bit
rich apex
If they do become playable
hollow dock
is that the long awaited female broken?
karmic scroll
would seem so
zinc sandal
Protoss
hollow dock
Also port, the Lightforged didnt take the Vindicaar. They were given it by Velen :v Draenei got the Exodar and Azeroth as their home. The Lightforged lost theirs.
karmic scroll
tendril hair is cool
tropic trail
and her inverted triangle nose
rich apex
Considering the Draenei and the Lightforged are functionally the same people
Of course they're going to give their space warship to their most experiencd warriors
(assuming it ever actually gets used in battle)
karmic scroll
heh, we didn't see female beefcake broken (Krokul) either did we
dusky ginkgo
It look more like a (old) fanart folks, don't get your hopes too high
hollow dock
I swear they refuse to actually make female broken
tropic trail
its obviously a model edit
hollow dock
despite having an incomplete model in the database. For years.
tropic trail
like im pretty sure thats just the tauren model
rich apex
In before sexy Broken waifus
hollow dock
the broken are just retextured tauren Kenby
tropic trail
wait..
karmic scroll
and the Krokul use the Draenie model
hollow dock
Yup. Krokul aren't entirely at the point of Broken yet.
Not like Nobundo and the other Broken we see in outland anyways
karmic scroll
yup, beefcake broken š
uncut vault
I kinda took it as Krokul being what broken actually are with exposure to fel, and draenor broken being an extreme variant because of the mix with the red pox
karmic scroll
I wonder what Dreanor Akama would think of Broken Akama
uncut vault
"is that a fucking gremlin?"
hollow dock
I think they'd have utmost respect for each other.
rich apex
'boy am i never leaving my Draenor paradise'
zinc sandal
I agree with Vris.
hollow dock
Draenor Akama more for Broken Akama.
rich apex
'how do we cut ourselves off from these idiots on Azeroth'
karmic scroll
certainly
uncut vault
no but really theyre the same person, I dont doubt theyd be kind to one another
Draenor one would probably have pity, Outland one would probably have nostalgic sadness
zinc sandal
Draenor Akama would appreciate Broken Akama's resilience, despite what he's been through.
karmic scroll
funnily though, now we have access to alternate Dreanor, we have teh rest of that world to have content on, hell, they could use the Garrison Naval Yard to get us there too
hollow dock
I think its because of Akamas full story that Draenor Akama would have an incredibly high amount of respect for him.
karmic scroll
totally
hollow dock
To know that a version of him had not just his body and faith broken, but his very fighting spirit as well, only to find the strength to carry on and continue the fight for good.
zinc sandal
^
karmic scroll
yup
zinc sandal
Yes.
uncut vault
Despite all its flaws, Im still happy Blizz added that moment in WoD where Akama picked up the scythes
karmic scroll
we need to see that in game
hollow dock
I know right? I loved that little moment.
karmic scroll
Dreanor troops come to help us after we helped them
hollow dock
Nah. Theres a whole shending of time paradoxes that'd go off
uncut vault
There was that Yrelka NPC datamined in 7.3. Shoulda added MU Yrel
hollow dock
that and we want to forget WoD happened.
karmic scroll
speak for yourself, I loved WoD
hollow dock
I thought MU Yrel was killed. Or was that a rewrite from beta?
uncut vault
they scrapped all of Yrels backstory
hollow dock
Oh I loved the story and complications WoD brought in
uncut vault
original design was she was maraads wife who died
karmic scroll
š®
uncut vault
then it was all "ohhh what if shes got a secret demon past" then it was just. Hey. This is a girl.
karmic scroll
I loved it, got plenty of gametime out of WoD
and hell, WoD helped Blizz learn a lesson about content drought
uncut vault
My followers got more playtime than I did
hollow dock
I didn't. I played through the whole of WoD and man. There was nothing to do.
mental onyx
I do n ot get that sentiment
rich apex
My followers made me a shitton of gold, so I sure can't judge them
hollow dock
Until the like. 3 months after 6.2 dropped with tanaan.
karmic scroll
agreed š
hollow dock
then back to just nothing
karmic scroll
especially on 24 alts š
mental onyx
Like I feel there is too much to do now buty it is crappy rng chores
uncut vault
It was a good step towards the evolution that was Legion. There was a good balance between "missions are everything" and "missions are worthless"
hollow dock
I like that theres the choice of something to do now.
Rather than zero choice to do anything
mental onyx
"oh 4 emissaries, I need to do that even though exalted becasue paragon mounts!"
uncut vault
if you're complaining about HAVING to do extra rep for mounts that are all in the game in other colors
karmic scroll
besides, thats not going away int eh next expansion, so no rush
uncut vault
you got isues
hollow dock
Lone I love you and I've known you for less than 10 minutes
mental onyx
People did like 500 paragon chests and still no mounts
karmic scroll
š
rich apex
I do wish they'd bump the rate on paragon mounts a bit
But you're still getting some useful stuff from doing the emissaries, at least
hollow dock
I figure they will post Legion.
rich apex
Ugh I hope so
uncut vault
I can agree the chances should be bumped up a bit. Or at least have the same forgiveness counter as legiondaries
rich apex
I still haven't gotten half of them
hollow dock
if we bitch and moan about it enough they'll do it.
mental onyx
Now you also need to rush ashrun since that is going away
karmic scroll
I'm level capping all my alts at 110 and being careful with content, my stream schedule for Legion burned me out for three months
hollow dock
Ashran isnt going away.
uncut vault
achieves for it are, but the place will probably still exist
should have just made it open world when Legion launched
karmic scroll
how so? if they were gonna remove achievements for Ashran, they would have THIS expansion
hollow dock
That's real odd theyre removing ashran acheivs but not Wintergrasp.
uncut vault
theyre becoming feats of strength
hollow dock
Why are they treating Ashran so poorly in comparison to Wintergrasp?
karmic scroll
since when?
uncut vault
since BfA beta came out
karmic scroll
show me
uncut vault
I am not digging through all of MMO champs stuff again
mental onyx
hollow dock
Everything in beta is solid proof they'll always do it
mental onyx
seems like ashrun is goigng away
uncut vault
Oh, thank you
karmic scroll
son of a bitch...
hollow dock
theyre just losing their acheivment points tho.
mental onyx
Yes, that means it is going away
hollow dock
I haven't looked at my legacy tab, but I do remember they giving acheivment points.
karmic scroll
why now? why nto at the beginning of Legion?
hollow dock
I have no clue.
uncut vault
every pvp achieve in feats of strength are a now unattainable thing.
hollow dock
Which again, makes aboslutely no sense because Wintergrasp is still around.
karmic scroll
I'm so annoyed by that I have to ping @thorny light to ask...
half haven
Probably because they didn't add any new pvp stuff in legion
karmic scroll
I'n never that anoyed
hollow dock
They did add new pvp stuff in Legion.
mental onyx
YThiens did semi fixed alagalon for us
half haven
People like wintergrasp though
hollow dock
People liked Ashran until they nerfed it into the frickin ground
karmic scroll
still a fun pvp clusterfuck, the sort I enjoy
mental onyx
You can't queue for wintergrasp
half haven
They didn't add any new bgs, they added the brawl and some balance fixes. People are quite content with the old stuff
uncut vault
I actually enjoyed Ashran, books were great. Just wish it were easier to get into.
hollow dock
All the quests, acheivs, everything is left alone there.
mental onyx
You can queue for ashrun, which is probably why ashrun is going away while tall barack and wintergrasp are still there
karmic scroll
I just run into Ashran to que for it
hollow dock
You're not given a choice wether or not you want to que for it.
If you want to walk in there, it has to be in a group.
and it has to be randomly made
half haven
Yeah but compare what they did for wod to legion. At least on wod they added a whole new island that acted as a 24/7 bg
Mind you it didn't work as they wanted
mental onyx
Right the only way to do it is queue (how you queue it don't matter, but you have to)
mental onyx
You can go inot dalaradn sewer and queue from there
karmic scroll
I dohave a feeling we'll have a NEW Ashran though, maybe on teh Lost Isles or similar
mental onyx
They are addding crap load of pvp content clearly in red vs blue expac
karmic scroll
yup
half haven
I doubt it. Aren't the war things getting pvp later on in BFA
karmic scroll
the Warfronts are PVE, so they need to add soemthing
mental onyx
The pvp ilsnds missions ,the new bg that is launchng pretty much now etc etc
hollow dock
BFA starts off with the invasion of Undercity :v
hollow dock
Warfronts are PVP and PVE. same with the island stuff that you need to do for Azerite.
mental onyx
Hello? the very first thing being added even before expac is seaming shore battleground
hollow dock
Itd be pretty shite to not add in our azerite farm.
mental onyx
If that doesn't scream pvp expac, along with red vs blue thing I dunno what does
karmic scroll
I'm expecting a lot of pvp
mental onyx
I personally feel they want to cash in hard on American divide between political parties and everything
karmic scroll
BUT, I'm expecting a lot of pvp'ers to be pissed
hollow dock
There will be a lot of PVP focused stuff. cuz ya know.
half haven
"Head to the frontlines and take part in a large-scale 20-player cooperative Warfront to claim a key strategic location. Build up your factionās forces, lead the charge as your troops lay siege to the objective, and battle the enemy commanders as they make their last stand in this new PvE mode inspired by classic Warcraft RTS battles."
hollow dock
Can ya not Xen?
karmic scroll
especially those tha love ganking
half haven
thats the description for warfronts on BFA
hollow dock
Dunno why Lone. They just cant prey on people who mostly PVE on the PVP servers theyre trapped on
mental onyx
warfrontsare pve, but the iselnds are pvp
uncut vault
Islands are both
mental onyx
Also you get bonuis xp for being pvp flagged all the time
half haven
im not saying that the islands werent gonna be pvp. theres just not gonna be pvp in warfronts like vris said there is
hollow dock
Last time they did faction based gear for PVE content was Argent tournament. In which it was pseudo PVP.
karmic scroll
teh gankers will cry and cry and I shall pve in their tears!
half haven
0_0
hollow dock
They just can't one or two non-PVPers on their servers tho.
uncut vault
I mean, Warfronts have pseudo PvP too. There are heroes and altars of the storm
hollow dock
That's literally all the gankers lose.
karmic scroll
well teh ganking pvp'ers won;t be able to even see the pve'ers
as pve will be phased
karmic scroll
honestly I duno why they're phasing us, the way Legion works on pve servers works just fine
uncut vault
gonna make RP servers even more of a mess.
hollow dock
Its server tech Lone.
karmic scroll
aye, i know, but still
uncut vault
Heres hoping they keep the RP server tech in place
hollow dock
If they do, boycotts will actually start
half haven
it destroys an aspect to the game for a lot of players
karmic scroll
well actulaly they said you can Vris, in a rested area you can unflag
uncut vault
No I mean, keep the tech they have for old world zones.
hollow dock
IN a sanctuary or green place, yes you can unflag.
but every area out in the world you don't unflag :v
half haven
what do you mean keep the tech for old world zones
karmic scroll
they also specifically said you can;t flag yourself in the world either, you have to choose before leaving a rested zone
half haven
for pvp and pve flagging?
hollow dock
Yes that's how it is currently. You lose your flag in say Dalaran but head down to Azuna, you are auto flagged.
half haven
i like the two being phased tbh
karmic scroll
the autoflag won;t happen anymore
hollow dock
they are just getting rid of that and making sure PVPers aren't griefing.
half haven
i play pve for a completely different reason than for pvpers
uncut vault
No, RP servers have anti-sharding/phasing tech on live, that means in all non-current zones, everyone on the server has the same zone
hoping they keep that for the PvE/PvP flagging
half haven
i didnt even know they had that
hollow dock
Which is a lie, sharding just happens less often than usual
karmic scroll
I would not be surprised if we see more server merges soon
mental onyx
They ahve it due to MoonGuard vs WrA split
uncut vault
Was added in Legion after backlash at Tournament of Ages
hollow dock
Like. a lot less often.
karmic scroll
like RP-PvE and RP-PvP servers merging
uncut vault
They will never, and should never merge RP realms
vast mirage
so it isnt crowded
hollow dock
No that'd be terrible
mental onyx
Those 2 are major RP server and aprpently they strongly hate each other and disrupt each other RP when mixed
karmic scroll
my RP realms merged, now my Horde and Allie guilds are on the same server š
uncut vault
there are very distinct communities, both major RP realms are already huge
karmic scroll
we used to guild battle
mental onyx
They are removing the whole idea of "PVE" servers
karmic scroll
that was fun watching my guild fight
hollow dock
theyre removing the idea of PVE vs PVP servers
Effectively
all servers become PVE servers
karmic scroll
yup
uncut vault
Will probably keep the labels, just to know what each server is oriented towards
karmic scroll
you have to make that decision to be pvp
dusky ginkgo
Uh.. They already merged RP servers several time
mental onyx
PEople flag in mjaor city, and get extra xp for questing in open world
dusky ginkgo
It's not a new practice
uncut vault
Talking about the main few. MG, WrA, ED
olive mirage
thats amusing, was viewing the vulpera animations, and any emotes that open their mouth will clip into hoods http://puu.sh/zaUU9/bc3d2f30c9.jpg
hollow dock
Yea and they'll be dealing with the gankers and toxic PVP community
mental onyx
They are unlikely to merge WrA and MG, since those are both high pop and they really really really really dislike each other
half haven
nothing can stop those teeth
karmic scroll
more reason TO merge them Xen
hollow dock
they dont care about the people on their server
karmic scroll
let them fight
hollow dock
They care about what's efficient
half haven
stronger than sargeras's stab to the world
uncut vault
Merging WrA and MG would be the biggest shitshow ever. But it wouldnt be efficient anyways, both have stable, and large populations
hollow dock
in which since theyre suffiently populated, they wont be merging them
Unless one suddenly drops, then maybe theres a possibility
but until then, nah.
uncut vault
Only reason to ever merge them would be to balance out factions in the future.
dusky ginkgo
Like on the french side, we had 4 or 5 Rp-Pve, now we have "the three/four kingdoms" and Kirin Tor
karmic scroll
it's why they merged Ravenholdt (alli heavy) and Defias (Horde Heavy) RP Realms
half haven
ion said they wont be merging for faction balance in bfa
so its unlikely itll happen in the future
hollow dock
they do it, as far as I know, not for faction but for population :v
karmic scroll
plus merges will be different anyway as the tech works differently now anyway
uncut vault
Difference there is that those were small RP servers with faction imbalance, Horde on MG is probably bigger than a few full servers still.
dusky ginkgo
(I will be glad whdn they will finally merge KT with the others :c)
dusky ginkgo
It theorically exist, you mean?
half haven
according to realm pop they think it does
they give it the big ol number
of 7
%
7.6
these people must be like
the best pvpers in the world
having to deal with a 92% alli
dusky ginkgo
You should look on the RP Horde side of the three/four kingdoms. I swear I can hear the wind blow when I go there
(Les Clairvoyants, Les Sentinelles and I don't remember what else)
half haven
theyve all got +30%
i think kt is actually the lowest
mind you it probably feels like less because theres less players on those realms
dusky ginkgo
How come none of these 30% is RP, damnit?
half haven
the 7.6% of kt makes up the same amount of players on les sentinelles
dusky ginkgo
Yeah x)
hollow dock
I always feel like people complain about the lack of players just because they aren't able to see more players.
Cuz I remember people bitchin about being on high pop realms all the time
tropic trail
i would move all my chars to a theoretical mg/wra merge if that happened
tropic trail
i always wanna roleplay but there is like 0 horde roleplay scene on both that isint scattered everywhere
uncut vault
Well that was the big reason for taking away Legion sharding on RP servers. Biggest RP event of the year on Moon Guard, hundreds upon hundreds of players, couldnt see most of them.
dusky ginkgo
On Les Clair', we had a RP chan to find people to play with, it was... Well, wind blow, all that
uncut vault
Sharding makes servers seem less lively
half haven
its just cause blizzard hasnt bothered to try and fix large amounts of players on peoples screens
people still get banned because of large events
and i remember that being a big thing in cata
7 years have passed, and there solution is phasing
hollow dock
I've played for more than 11 years now. This game feels the same in terms of life as the day I logged in
half haven
youre lucky than
that or very jaded
id prefer the 2nd one if it were me
id like to see the game as i did the first month i felt like i was getting somewhere
tropic trail
thats why i internally roleplay
just pretend to yourself everything you do is in your characters eyes
youll be like .. whoa . i killed that same elite i did yesterday
im so cool.
zinc sandal
If you're struggling to find RP, I suggest joining LFRP
hollow dock
I've played on one server for all 11 years. Pre and Post merge with our 2 neighbors
nothings really changed other than theres more trolls in trade chat
half haven
i read lfrp as erp and i was quite concerned
hollow dock
dirty boi
half haven
"there was some dust on the monitor"
hollow dock
uh huh. "dust" you say
half haven
ive moved between 3 servers. and currently sit on shu halo, because i wanted the feel of the past where people are more intertwined and have more connections because of low pop
never happened
but dont regret the move
lower pop does mean you make friends a little bit easier, start seeing the same people at the same time youre on
regardless of the merges
i think the connected server to shu is pretty low as is
tulip sun
If you have a lot of characters in two servers
half haven
yeah
hollow dock
depends on the server.
half haven
less people
tulip sun
and they merge, what happens?
tulip sun
Oh, I thought they just become like, one server?
hollow dock
thats what everyone thought at first during pandaria when they first did this
half haven
in the sense that everyone is playing one character
yeah its kinda one server
just with the option of making characters on either server
hollow dock
Think of it like a Mall
half haven
ye
hollow dock
You have a lot of different things put together, but different entrances all apart of that 1 mall
tropic trail
what server is the hot topic of the WoW mall
hollow dock
if you want the edgy people
any starting DK guild on an RP server
if you want the adults still singing Disney songs, dunno. I dont visit the RP servers that often
half haven
do we allow warlocks in this guild
hollow dock
warlocks/DKs/DHs
mental onyx
Why would locks be allowed in DK guild
half haven
they were the og edgelords
mental onyx
Those 3 thigns are nothing alike
mental onyx
Well DH and locks DO kinda go together
hollow dock
theyre all edgelord classes
half haven
theyre the 3 eras of edge
mental onyx
I am not sure what that means
half haven
edgelord?
mental onyx
DH campaign feels like the most "bro" campaign ever
half haven
yeah but your bro is the lich king
mental onyx
I do wish it explored more of the naga and shivrah motivations
half haven
wait
shit
i read that
as dk
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
you do get the option to sacrifice someone
hollow dock
thats pretty simple tbh
Like.
The naga went with Illidan on behest of Azshara
they since broke off
mental onyx
DK probably had the best campaign
hollow dock
The demons were being freed by fel
mental onyx
The mount part specifically
hollow dock
so they sticked with the Illidari
mental onyx
"You are empty just like me"
half haven
i know some people that absolutely HATE the dk campaign
hollow dock
Really?
half haven
yeah
hollow dock
How?! It was tailored to how a DK is supposed to act
mental onyx
Dk mount part actually kinda sorta made sense???
hollow dock
DKs, the better anti-heroes to warlocks
half haven
well he started rather recently, probably start of legion. and didnt really grasp how wow did story telling, as his first motive was "get every character to 60 to see how they were"
half haven
i told him that theres a little more to the game than that
hollow dock
Did he even look at his spellbook?
half haven
he just wanted the feel of the characters mostly
mental onyx
Versus say priest "Ride a submatine with a known priest brann bronzebeard, and cleanse this bird owl thing of void corruption (please ignore the fact that might be doing it as shadow priesT)
half haven
since 60 is the middle ground for talents
hollow dock
the classes aren't even fully functional at 60.
uncut vault
tbf as a shadow priest you dont cleanse it, you take the corrupted one
half haven
he wasnt used to the whole story side of it
hollow dock
You leave at 60 LOL
half haven
he said he did the starting area and just didnt like the pace
which i can understand if you go from
every other class just powering through the zone
to a slower story driven starting
but yeah
mental onyx
If you have no idea who LK is, or why suddenly you are questing on his behalf
mental onyx
Also, until recently, aftr being done with starter zone you wr expected to go to BC which was crap
half haven
understand why he was doing it
because starting at level one, you just click through the quest text
hollow dock
Then he played his first experience wrong
half haven
you dont take the time to wait and see what npcs have to say
hollow dock
I did
half haven
everyone does
hollow dock
:v
half haven
now adays
hollow dock
First time going through an area I read the text.
half haven
youd be hard pressed to find someone thats new that isnt power farming dungeons
well
before recent patch
hollow dock
How else are you expected to get the story? :v
uncut vault
reading quest text is why tyrande got changed in Valsharah.
hollow dock
Wait why did he love WC3 then
half haven
its a rather overwhelming story first getting into it
because wc3 is short and simple for the most part
half haven
the story is very clearly defined as arthas's story, not the players
or clearly defined as
youre in a fucking war against aliens
hollow dock
I mean. that's WC1 and 2
half haven
jumping into a massive world where you are now playing your main character
not to mention arriving in legion
where everything is easy, you can ding 110 in like 2 weeks of play
hollow dock
well yea the experience is in the group content. :v not the leveling stuff.
its an MMO after all
half haven
but thats why he didnt like dk starting
dk starting is very heavily meant to be about you and your turning
tropic trail
it makes me sick to imagine someone liking the dk starting zone more than once
thats like being like "i love making worgen and goblins just to be trapped in an instance"
hollow dock
I PURPOSEFULLY make more DKs for the starting zone
half haven
and if your first experience with the game is "i hit level 2 after killing 6 wolves, level 3 after 40 seconds" and so on youre not gonna like the pace of dk
hollow dock
I love it. The questline is filled with personality and you get to do the one thing no other quests let you do
Slaughter civilians, kill the good guys, cue in the Russian National Anthem.
half haven
some quests are super long though
hollow dock
All the while the LK whispers to you to keep doing it
half haven
burning the scarlet crusade buildings with the dragon
scouting with the eye
the rp event at the end
hollow dock
The dragon is the second best bit
tropic trail
the rp event is the worst
hollow dock
Jeez you guys do not care for storytelling D:
tropic trail
like you get over there and its either already finished or someone already finished it
hollow dock
Then wait
half haven
the zone is meant for players that know enough about it
im not saying i didnt like it
i love it
the cleansing of the ashbringer
hollow dock
I always wait for the full battle.
half haven
invading the crusade hiding behind a cardboard tree
hollow dock
Then just smash my head against one of the 'bosses'
half haven
getting your mount from the shadowlands
just a lot of it is not meant for a new player
the start isnt made with the new player in mind
hollow dock
Blowing the horns of war and summoning a dragon that you dont just send off
you ride.
If anything, its filled with so many fun things that it'd ruin the rest of the game because its so rare you get these fun things
tropic trail
its such a boring starting zone. you could be seeing zones you havent gone to but instead you get to hear a storyline youve presumably done before years ago
half haven
the zone itself is also just super dull
eastern plaguelands is a very boring looking place
dense plover
DK starting is one of the best
tropic trail
except undead
half haven
but once again
half haven
you have to look at it in a new players eye
dense plover
and helps you work into the plotline
hollow dock
I did it as a new player
dense plover
we all did it as new players
hollow dock
I fell in love with the game all over again because of it D=
half haven
in his eye. this all sucks because its not something he first encountered
you played the game before wotlk
dense plover
i enjoyed the DK story the first time and i still do
half haven
you experienced it different to what he did
tropic trail
it was cool the first time i did it but the nostalgia definetly does not carry through
hollow dock
I played as a little kid not knowing what I was doing
dense plover
and i didnt get DK until cata technically
hollow dock
I left halfway in wrath cuz no wowtime and came back during WotLKs end and Catas start.
tropic trail
also if you seriously want to slaughter people just like go camp some legion area
dense plover
whats wrong with starting halfway through legion?
hollow dock
Got myself to 75 and then went and made a DK. Fell in love with it. Kept making more and more DKs just because it was so much fun and no where else had it
half haven
start of legion, and theres nothing wrong with it. its just a different experience
dense plover
nothing different than starting at the end of wrath
half haven
it is
dense plover
no it isnt
half haven
wrath was slower pace to what its like now
tropic trail
i started at the end of vanilla and i was so fucking amazed
half haven
youre not rushing through one shotting everything for the first 80 levels
tropic trail
i was like omg theres even MORE to do??
dense plover
but tyhe early game didnt
no, it was the first 70 instead
and i dont understand the problem
thats been changed with 7.3.5
half haven
his experience was. im playing this game because i want to try everything out
he wasnt worried about the story
did you not read
dense plover
mmos rely on a story
half haven
at the start of legion
dense plover
its how they work
hollow dock
Wait
why didn't you turn him to the class trials?
if he wanted to try out all the classes
half haven
his was different from yours, and he didnt like the story
because i didnt know he was playing
he told me after his first 110
dense plover
if he didnt like the story, he wont like it now
tropic trail
tbf the class trials do not teach anyone anything beside press button to win
half haven
he does now though
dense plover
and he certainly wont like the game as a whole
half haven
because story wasnt his first priority
hollow dock
That's all he wanted Ken
to know how the classes played
The trials let you experience that
dense plover
thats what class trials are for
tropic trail
what?? i didnt engage in the story when i first started and now im a lore freak
dense plover
its their exact purpose
half haven
his first goal was to try out all classes and get a feel from level one
hollow dock
I went in immediately for story. Im an RPG nut.
half haven
how a class feels from the second you pick it up
dense plover
not eengaging doesnt mean not wanting
tropic trail
you cant expect someone to like a book in the first chapter
half haven
im not gonna argue how the game should be played. im ending it at he didnt like the dk starting zone, and other people dont either
hollow dock
I do. but thats how my friends are. They read into 1 chapter and know if they're going to like it or not
dense plover
if you go into a game saying, im never gonna care for the story, thats different than going in and saying i dont really understand the story right now
2 completely different mindsets
half haven
i dont care for a lot of games stories right now
tropic trail
same
half haven
because if i dont like how it feels im not gonna play it
ill care about the story when i know how the game feels and if im gonna enjoy playing it
hollow dock
I hope you dont buy many RPGs then
dense plover
^
half haven
and so if thats his first priority as well. im not gonna knock him for not liking the starting zone
hollow dock
Hell its why I played TOR
tropic trail
noone wants to invest in a story in a game they wont enjoy . ive done it before and it made me wanna die
dense plover
generally what i believe is play through all 20 starting levels
if you dont like it, thats it
hollow dock
I dont enjoy TOR. I still invested in the story because it was so well written and voice acted.
dense plover
the best race to show off how good a zone can be is definitely undead though
they get silverpine
which is a great zone
and its 10-20, so it can be done on a trial account
tropic trail
i had a friend who hated the undead starting zone and i was so shocked
hollow dock
I personally didn't like the starting zone
dense plover
but its dated and meh
half haven
you and i have different ideas on how a good zone is
dense plover
silverpine is great tho
hollow dock
much more enjoyed the Night elf starting zone
tropic trail
the night elf one is nice even if i dont play alliance, its relaxing but still provides stuff
tropic trail
tauren starting zone is a bore even tho 70% of my chars are tauren
half haven
night elf has that grandios scale, making you feel like youre just starting out
undead
theres so much shit everywhere the second you start out
dense plover
the undead zone starts with you being raised from the dead
hollow dock
Its serene, the ambient music is great, seeing nature itself fighting against demons.
dense plover
and they raised you for a purpose
half haven
you already feel powerful because youre annihalating everything in your path from the start
dense plover
it gives your character motivation
hollow dock
And then it puts you into darkshore continuing on that path and then ashenvale
dense plover
and again
tropic trail
like youre in what feels like the middle of nowhere and you have to run like, the chore of starting zone chores. like finding some kids dog and delivering hide
dense plover
starting zones in general are super bleh *(outside of goblin, worgen, and pandaren), but silverpine is probably the best 10-20 imo
yeah
tropic trail
it makes sense ofc but its not very engaging
half haven
im not giving a care in the world about the story at this point
dense plover
specifically the tasks you are doing are to help you get aclimated to being raised
half haven
i literally just logged in
tropic trail
they should revamp starting zones tbh, thatd be a good idea for new players
half haven
and made an undead because i like being a zombie
dense plover
its in the quest text
if you arent reading that and then saying I dont care, thats not the games fault
uncut vault
I thought tauren starter zone was fine. Stuff at the end with baine was great
dense plover
they did revamp starting zones
tropic trail
i miss the spirit wolf thing tbh
dense plover
in cata
tropic trail
best part
dense plover
then this isnt the game for you "as a new player"
dense plover
reading the quests in an rpg is priority number one to know wtf is happeniong and why should i care
half haven
this started as a discussion about my friend who at the time was a new player
tropic trail
like the starting zone feels the same even with it on fire
half haven
you made your character because youre making your own path
dense plover
a quest that used to be get 10 boar hide where the hide was not a 100% drop
became a kill 5 boar quest
or do something interactive
tropic trail
also like it shouldnt still be on fire or like deathwing was JUST there
dense plover
it used the new cata questing model
yeah
but resources dont need to be invested there
tropic trail
how many in game years has it been since cata anyways
dense plover
its extremely low priority
tropic trail
i always forget
half haven
im not making an undead beause im very enriched in their story from level one and just really want to know how everyone i meet plays out
tropic trail
thats kind of weird
dense plover
each expac is a year in game
they arent going to invest in the starting zones because its a waste of time
you are only there for a short period
it isnt current content
half haven
so why tf would i care about the quest text
dense plover
and it wont matter in 10 levels
if you dont care about the quest text, why are you playing an mmorpg?
whats the purpose of this game vs another?
tropic trail
youd be surprised
dense plover
rpgs are about roleplaying
hollow dock
Because it's all built on eahc other austin
dense plover
story is neccesary for roleplaying