not if the client is also written from scratch.
and also, if a CLIENT emulator does not modify the behavior of the genuine client, it's fine.
of course, connecting a client emulator to a non-emulated server is illegal. basically a mismatch of any form with blizzard's intentions is what makes it illegal.
#classic-wow
solemn brook
idle kite
Still that does not mean that emulating a wow server is illigal
idle kite
Ok...ok. lets leave it at that. Classic is coming. Cant get here soon enough
glad shoal
I think I saw that classic will be patch 1.12 somewhere. Kinda a shame! I joined mid-vanilla, would be nice to see it from the very start.
lime raft
yea cuz now its gonna start with everything how it is at the end of the expansion
everything is gonna be cleared very quickly
maiden river
i thought vanilla was hard as balls 
faint tapir
I remember reading that they were just using the patch as the base, that doesn't quite mean they'll launch with everything available at the start
I am certain that they could potentially lock certain content for later
That is of course, once they get it up and running to begin with
glad shoal
Vanilla was harder for sure, but I believe part of the reason WoW got so popular was that it was more forgiving than other MMOs at the time.
glad shoal
I remember fumbling through to 60 somehow. I always remember my first capped char. Paladin. Grinding scourgestones in EPL XD
faint tapir
I wanna try to earn that lvl 60 pally mount
glad shoal
That was fun. IIRC you needed at least 3 pallys for the dungeon part.
glad shoal
You all had to use different judgements on the adds or something.
faint tapir
yeah the different judgements but couldn't a single pally pull that off?
glad shoal
Possibly. I was really bad back then 😛
I didn't stop clicking til like WotLK? Though I was a healer, so it wasn't quite as bad.
faint tapir
I didn't start until the beginning of wotlk so I didn't get to have a taste of vanilla
glad shoal
The guild I was in had a few core members, and they always seemed to insist on the same setup which was me as pala healer, a holy priest, a rogue, a warrior and a warlock
2 healer meta, bois
faint tapir
I'm planning on starting out as a dungeon tank cause I have a group of friends that I hope are willing to play when classic rolls around
I'll likely switch to healer once I get to or near cap assuming I actually decide to do raiding
glad shoal
It's kind of tough, from what I remember, Warrior is one of the hardest to level
faint tapir
I'll be a pally
I've always heard they were good dungeon tanks
just not so much for raiding
glad shoal
I can't really remember, I did see the occasional pala tank, but 99% were warriors or bears.
I'll level a rogue, most likely, those are fun 😛 Especially if it's a PVP server.
faint tapir
well, regardless, It's going to be a fun experiment for me
I would have picked a shaman instead cause tauren are one of my fave races, but a friend really wanted to play a nelf
glad shoal
You'll get no lust D:
glad shoal
But you will get pala buffs! and Divine Intervention
glad shoal
Yeah, pro-tip then. You'll need an addon called pallypower
Because you need to rebuff everyone every 5 mins (15 for greater) and in a raid, that can be a hassle
faint tapir
oof
glad shoal
The greater did everyone of one class though. So all rogues, all warriors, etc...
faint tapir
I've never been much of a raider, but I'll keep that in mind should I go for it
glad shoal
But you'll buff rogues with the attack power one, and there's always one that says "I want kings"
faint tapir
i should probably look out for a healing addon while I'm at it
glad shoal
I wonder if addons that no longer work in retail will work in vanilla?
faint tapir
🤔
glad shoal
Like they stopped things like Decursive working ages ago, would they go back on that? Or is that a new policy for all of WoW, retails OR classic, I wonder?
faint tapir
in retail I like to use healbot, although I'm not fond of the name
I struggle to properly target party members without it
I accidentally hit alt-F4 trying to remember the keybind for it
glad shoal
I started healing again for HFC in WoD. And the addon I absolutely recommend is "Clique"
It basically just sets up mouseover macros pretty easily for you.
And I use ElvUI's default layout for healers. Never had any issue.
I remember getting annoyed with the rest of my healing team in HFC, because the Council boss had a debuff that didn't play nice with healbot. Progress stopped until there was an update to healbot because they can't heal without it ><
glad shoal
If you need help getting it set up, send me a PM or something :>
faint tapir
👍
tawdry scarab
Any MM hunters?
thorny cedar
...
idle kite
?
lime raft
why does nobody ever talk about classic
😦
hopefully classic doesnt require people to buy anything extra considering they already bought vanillla
grizzled juniper
private server
lime raft
what about them
maiden river
now people don't have to buy base game
you think they'd use that as an excuse for selling vanilla again?
woven rock
Its not gonna be a separate game
They specifically said a private server option
Which means it gonna be part of retail
You just have to join a server that has the classic tag or whatever
lime raft
thats awesome
idle obsidian
Hey does anyone know of ProjectSixty servers in Argent-Dawn EU or any other server for that matter?
visual summit
project sixty and other projects of expansions are pretty much dead since streamers dont make them anymore as of now
lime raft
what is projectsixty
visual summit
It was a project on wow where the rules were that you could not equip heirloom gear, use dungeon finder, not use normal mounts until level 40, and only use fast mounts at 60. it was like a challenge where it was like vanilla
they also did project 70 and 80
grizzled juniper
Which was a mess of time tbh
Back then leveling was fast af, and I'm referring to when they thought to do the p60
quiet pine
it was a pretty pointless thing
fiery pumice
We did one after scaling and it was pretty fun woke it lasted
jaunty gulch
If you already have 50 characters on your account; will you be able to make new characters on a classic realm?
maiden river
!ghelp
silk tiger
E
cerulean briar
i can't wait for classic launch
lime raft
your gonna be waiting a looong time
cerulean briar
2020 at the max
strong olive
cerulean briar
Yeah 15th anniversary makes more sense
grizzled juniper
15th anniversary
lime raft
would make more sense for it to be on the 20th anniversary
proud canyon
cerulean briar
I want Cata and MoP servers also 
\
rugged obsidian
Legion classic when
maiden river
Cata rogues
solemn brook
[slayer] If they could not prepare it by the 20th anniversary I would highly doubt their ability to smoothly maintain both editions (live and classic) side by side
In 6 years, surely many more engine updates and improvements would occur, and I would think if they take much longer than a year to patch classic with the current engine stuff then it wouldn't bode well for future updates.
lime raft
what does that have to do with what i said
jolly gazelle
when is the launch of classic supposed to occur?
cerulean briar
Nobody knows
tiny nymph
??/??/????
jolly gazelle
excellent thats what i thought as well... thank you
stable sequoia
Soon™
jolly gazelle
@stable sequoia Mind blown! 😉
safe holly
Is there a way to macro removing a specific buff, i.e. the weaponmaster buff for warrior?
hexed crown
@safe holly Something like /cancelaura Weaponmaster would work
maiden river
Question about Classic once your maxed out on everything can you transfer characters over to Non-Classic Servers?
visual summit
nope
cerulean briar
Of course not
steep pewter
Nobody knows
cerulean briar
I mean yeah but idk why blizzard would do something like that
steep pewter
Because it wil cost money and its what they are after
cerulean briar
You right, you right.
tiny kernel
Making a 60lvl char in like few months and transferung it to non-classic serv where you can make it in a week with spending just few hours per day...
Why would anybody want that?
steep pewter
Because eventually you will hit a wall of no having anything to do on said character but want to still play and progress further more
tiny kernel
Would be nice of blizz to expand these vanilla servers to tbc in like 2-3 yesrs just as it works on current servers with new expansions
If they won’t do that then yesh maybe transfering isn’t that bad idea
wanton cape
I think the easy answer is to just have season type things. Where there are yearly server resets or something like that
like Diablo seasons
tiny kernel
Damn, I would accept that on modern servers where you can exp you char with no time
But on vanilla? When you’re literally dying trying to get another level after 40+?
No way
Anything happens with my char on vanilla and I will commit sudoku
wanton cape
I mean they could do same as Diablo and just move the characters to a non-season/legacy server when the season reset happens
There's no way people don't stop playing classic when beating whatever raid tier they end on
and it allows them to keep adding more content to 'classic' and charging people more. hell if enough people play classic they could have vanilla/tbc/wotlk 'seasons'
trim girder
I'm not interested in my classic toon being forced to progress to BC again, that would literally make me not wanna play classic
They can open seperate bc servers
woven rock
the thing about classic
is that the item id numbers for most gear isnt in retail wow
so the moment you transfered over your character, it'd work one of two ways
either you have question marks for gear
or your account suddenly becomes worth a couple hundred bucks
grizzled juniper
I have a question about classic
Is it supposed to look with over saturation of colors?
woven rock
yeah
the amount of pixels used were a whole 30
so to make stuff look nicer, they increased the saturation of color
cerulean briar
It would be so amazing if they progressed into future expansions like TBC and so on
spark reef
I know this sounds obvious but
If the Classic Server really is coming back
Does that mean we can do Old Naxxramas?
Along with the Linken Questline?
grizzled juniper
Yrp
cerulean briar
of course
plus they already confirmed it in the dev watercooler back in mid June
Confirmed classic is coming, that is.
spark reef
Nice
I miss the Classic Wow
The use of Quivers and Pouches along with Weapon Training as well
cerulean briar
It was the best
grizzled juniper
gameplay
like you normal wow vanilla private server
They shouldn¡'t change anything
I hope not
The point of classic is to have the "classic" feel
I don't get why people want progression
It is supposed to be only classic wow
Like
You want leegacy vanilla servers
but you want them to progress?
🤔
There is something wrong with the people
nah
that's too much
spark reef
Yeaa
cerulean briar
Seperate servers is ideal
once blizzard sees the success of classic they will have no choice but to make other expansions
spark reef
Yeah
Well
Just up till TBC
I think
Since The Lich King Expansion removes the Old Naxramas
cerulean briar
They need to do it up to MoP AT least
Blizzard said it doesn't matter if there's like 1000 or 10 people playing on classic servers, as long as people play them they will exist
I started in WoD and so did many other people so i'd be happy to experience an expansion that i didn't play in at all
spark reef
I was like 7 or 6 when my dad showed this to me
stray hull
I wonder when they're releasing Classic Servers
And i'm with @cerulean briar I was way too young when they first launched wow
I wanna live trough the Classic experience myself too
weak gyro
Maybe after 8.0?
blissful ginkgo
Classic coming after 8.0 is impossible
stray hull
Yeah i feel the same way
Buuut
If they dedicate an own team for classic
Then it might be possible, but still not likely
I'd say it's coming out in the next year from now
rancid yarrow
Blizzard will surely use Classic as way to decrease drought between expansions/raise more attention to franchise and company - so somewhere after last BfA raid/between long raids so around 2 years from now
stray hull
I've been thinking for years that why doesn't blizzard just make their own Classic wow server.. It would decrease private server use by a bunch and they'd easily get at least a million players back to playing and paying for them
cinder light
classic will probably release next year
maiden river
There will definitely be news about Classic at Blizzcon this year.
Maybe the alpha will release.
blissful ginkgo
An alpha version of 1.12.... That sounds interesting
fiery goblet
i would find it neat if they made say something similar to servers where once a character got to 60 it would sever change to say a combined server of vanilla and bc and so on and so forth . i mean i am so excited to experiance vanilla all over againe no matter how supposidly crappy it was.
oblique folio
I implore you to level as a warrior
maiden river
Actually go monk
cerulean briar
Vanilla DK's were so OP
bright root
Dont forget 4 tanks needed :D
bright root
Oh, damn Horsemans :D sry, i never been in old Naxx
copper idol
Hey never played Vanilla but I really want to play it when it comes out, I know I will sound nooby but what were the main differences between today and vanilla apart the new content?
tired stone
Just about everything, honestly. So many differences it hard to know where to start explaining it.
I guess the most noticeable difference is leveling. Leveling takes a lot longer, quests take longer, mobs are harder to kill, and drop chances of quest items are much lower
maiden river
Leveling is longer. No more specs. Talent tree.
You have to hold quest items in bags
That's about it lol
tired stone
also, there were not enough quests in each zone to level you to the appropriate level for the next zone, so mob grinding was most definitely a thing
ammo was a thing as well
and there was better ammo that you could make or buy that dealt more damage
traveling was harder as well, because you didnt get your first mount until level 40, and you didnt get a faster mount until max level
there was no quest tracker built into the game, so you had to read, and reread quest text to know what to do and where to go
of course, other than flight paths, flying was not a thing on Azeroth (until Cata)
cerulean briar
You had to farm out the gold for your epic mount because there is no way to earn it casualy
cerulean briar
And also, as a healer, using your max level abilities is not recommended at all because of how much mana they used. Because of this, healers used lower ranked heals
tired stone
This was true for some dps as well
copper idol
Hmm why did they remove the ammo feature tho? That sounds like a fun and immersive feature that could add more to the game.
cerulean briar
Because blizzard wants a wider audience and more money
tired stone
Also, almost all of your spells had Ranks, and you could buy higher ranks of your spells at higher levels.
So basically, its soooo different
so very very different
copper idol
Yeah I understand all the show about it now lol. To be honest it sounds really fun and I like the idea of buying spells and not just MAGICALLY GET THEM
Getting*
maiden river
They removed ammo because of how annoying it was. Ther was a reason everyone went for the bow that made it's own arrows.
How frustrating it can be running out of arrows in a raid instance
tired stone
yeah, it was annoying, being in the middle of a quest zone and running out of arrows, even though you just bought like 500 and bam, you have to stop and go back to the vendors to get more
maiden river
Was there a bow that did that before BC?
No
I was referring to the sunwell plateau
Yeah, was kinda curios
copper idol
Well I get that but at least maybe an upgrade feature to your arrows/ammo could be fun or like change the effect it does. Like some poisons but less damage but okay.
maiden river
But classic WoW was more on the side of "simulating a classic roleplaying experience" while modern WoW is much more streamlined
You mean a rogue?
Not you eleg
There was even some tactical optimization with lower rank spells
Yeah...classic at launch is gonna be cleared within the week of its release lol
copper idol
Sure rogues can do that but could be nice if hunters could do something like that too.
maiden river
Depending on if naxx is out at the start
tired stone
lol thats because the meta is all figured out already
maiden river
Class specialties my man
Don't think it will, even if naxx is out.
No...what I meant was it wont if naxx is out
I would guess it takes around...4 raid-lockouts tp amass enough gear to clear the equipment checks in early naxx
If it's just molten core itll be cleared in a week
Ah, that way
Yeah, probably
Although i'm not quite sure when they nerfed MC. But it was for 1.12 i think
*befor
It's the 1.12 patch anyway
Yeah.
I just thought that some parts of MC prenerf required a fuckton of fire resist gear.
It does anyway
copper idol
Isnt Naxx at WOTLK expansion??
maiden river
...
copper idol
Again sorry Im nooby.
maiden river
You're not wrong
Naxx was a classic raid
Have you not heard of 8 warrior tank
the last one
And it was moved to northrend as the entry tier raid when WotLK came out
Because so few had seen the original
It's kinda funny that the numbers were hardly changed from classic to Wrath
(and, as evil people whisper, because blizz liked the idea of reusing a full raid tier of assets)
copper idol
Oh well good to know, I used to think C'thun was the last raid boss
maiden river
Yeah, kel'thuzad was the original endboss of WoW.
Yep. And atiesh was the ultimate goal
I think he also is to this day the endboss that was slain by the fewest percentage of players before the next expansion hit
copper idol
He returns because he is a Lich right? or did he do some escape thing?
maiden river
Hes a lich
The quest regarding his phylactery was removed
So it would pave the way for his return
Yeah, you could loot his "phylactery" after he was defeated. Instead of his head. And then you gave it to a shifty guy for a reward^^
copper idol
Shifty guy huh? I think I get what happened lol
maiden river
Wasnt thr quest removed?
It was with WotLK
Aight
Through Classic and BC it was there
the turn in text was even something like "shouldn't you be more responsible with something like this? Nah...who cares?"
copper idol
Oh my god.
maiden river
Just imagine
Your character got through fighting an old god
And is still retarded enough to give a phylactery some random guy
"The phylactery is all that remains of the master of Naxxramas. Your better judgment dictates that you destroy the phylactery, preventing the lich from ever reforming. Thankfully, you seldom listen to that internal voice of reason.
Someone at Light's Hope will pay you hugely for this artifact. Who cares if Kel'Thuzad regenerates to full power?" <- here, exact quote
copper idol
Was all quests that derpy?
copper idol
I guess someone at blizzard got tired and just rolled with that being the way of returning Kel
maiden river
We will never know
I think it was more of a "cheap" way to have him come back
like, he least amount of work required
Nah it's pretty believable that at that point
Our character was greedy
Still is greedu
I'd give a phylactery to someone for 5 million gold
copper idol
Wait why did Kel even kept his Phylactery, couldnt he hide it somewhere?
maiden river
Hes strong dude
He didnt think hed need to hide it
Well, he was at the center of the preeminent frotress of the scourge at that time
That too
no safer place anywhere
maiden river
Can you blame him
tired stone
hiding your phylactery is Lichdom 101
maiden river
Alliance was being fucked by onyxia
copper idol
?
maiden river
Horde was dealing with blackrock
copper idol
What did Onyxia do to the alliance?
maiden river
Hoooooo boy
grizzled juniper
Lots of shit
maiden river
A lot of shit
she was basically undercover
You know the defias
as a human women
copper idol
oh god I love how you both said that
grizzled juniper
She is the indirect reason of why Tiffin died
grizzled juniper
Varian's waifu
copper idol
So there was a dragon hiding as a human in the most guarded and highest area in Stormwind and as an advisor.
maiden river
Yep
copper idol
Fun
grizzled juniper
And she kidnapped him in the end
copper idol
wait how was anduin king there too?
maiden river
Mistake of the fuckin century lol
copper idol
wasnt he just a child?
copper idol
Well at least I know who Bolvar was lol
grizzled juniper
Otherwise
copper idol
burned.
maiden river
Bolvar was kinda burned, yeah
copper idol
brb imma go die
maiden river
but that's later
grizzled juniper
Varian and Varian
copper idol
Oooooh yes I really really wanted to ask about that
Why was there something like 2 varians??
maiden river
But there was a really cool questchain (for classic standards) where you freed a prisoner form blackrock that could unmask Onyxia.
grizzled juniper
Onyxia did some magic and split Varian in 2 personalities
maiden river
And she turned into her huge Dragon form in the throne room of stormwind. And all the guards became dragonkin, too.
copper idol
That sounds totally not dangerous
maiden river
(And if you dind't run away fats enough they would cleave you into bits before Bolvas - raidboss that he was at the time - could kill them
grizzled juniper
One was the fierce warrior and the other was a pansy she could control, the fierce warrior was sold to a slave master and he fought as a gladiator
maiden river
The VCarian stuff is all in the comics, not in the game
copper idol
Oh
maiden river
Like, many people were pretty confused who Varian even was when WotLk started and they brought him into the game
copper idol
Now thats when people will laugh at me when the only reason I know about Valeera is hearthstone.
maiden river
Well, it is Canon. Just wasn#t in the game
maiden river
like the shorts are canon from the BfA release. But they are not in the game (except for Sylvannas one)
grizzled juniper
Due how fierce he was, the orcs called him Lo'gosh
maiden river
Best way to learn the lore is read chronicles
grizzled juniper
Ye
maiden river
Like, they have all the important stuff, sorted in one place
copper idol
Isnt there like 3 or 4 chronicles so far?
grizzled juniper
3
maiden river
But just as a last thought on OG naxxramas. It was fucking overtuned
Like, they didn't have as many ideas for difficulty-enhancing mechanics back then
So they upped the raw numbers
And the gear progression was nowhere near as powerful as in legion for example
cerulean briar
C'thun was more overtuned
maiden river
Well, C'thun was a buggy mess and clearly not playtested
maiden river
Well, it's been a long time, but I am quite sure there was some fuckery with the eye beam jump distance calculations
cerulean briar
around 80 days before a down
maiden river
And going in the stomach and coming out.
But I wasn't in our main raiding team, so maybe I missremember
oblique folio
C'thun was both overtuned and nearly unkillable. AQ40 couldn't be completed because the worm boss would bug out and never rise out
maiden river
that boss wasn't required
maiden river
to beat c'thun
it was an optional boss like visidicus
vicidicus? Whatever, that retarded boss
maiden river
You mean "what, there is a faction without frostshock? to bad"-slimeboy
oblique folio
Beating C'thun doesn't mean you cleared AQ
AQ was unclearable until the worm was fixed and would actually spawn
¯_(ツ)_/¯
cerulean briar
That worm was optional
everybody skipped it
Ouro wasn't killed until 86 days later
oblique folio
It was skipped cuz they couldn't get him to spawn LOL
cerulean briar
Ya good thing now is better we don't have that problem anymore xd
oblique folio
IMO removal of those bugs would make it not classic
cerulean briar
yeah
tiny nymph
uhmwut
neon token
grizzled juniper
what happened with mankrik's wife?
cerulean briar
she died in a quilboar attack
rotund bronze
fff
woven rock
marks?
on the map?
HAHAHAHAA
the only things that were marked on the map is little yellow dots that showed the npc's to turn in
actually doing the quests took a good amount of creativity
bright root
In past maybe.. But now? When comunity know every pixel, koeficient, npc tracking.. Meh
maiden river
and questie
cerulean briar
Questie is amazing for vanilla
cerulean briar
That's funny
grizzled juniper
Imagine if they were to release classic on the first patch ever
maiden river
that would be horrible
grizzled juniper
considering it had nothing
spark reef
Oh god
Theres Nothing
But i would imagine if they release the classic before they patch the Corrupted Blood epidemic
cerulean briar
Don't worry they already said they would release it on 1.12 in the dev water cooler back in mid june
maiden river
is private server talk allowed in here
vernal kettle
No, no private server discussion on any of Wowhead's owned/operated properties.
undone sphinx
you can talk about almost anything else tho, as long as it doesnt break wow's TOS or this groups rules
tired atlas
I mean i can sorta get (not really) the no talking about peivate servers, but at the rate blizzard are dealing with classic. Is it really going to happen? Its been a year since they announced it. And the private servers basically came out overnight. So whats the point of having this channel if they arent doing it? I get they need separate team and jazz, and implementing it inti their launcher, but if they said the werent making any changes, they why the hell isnt it out now?
This isnt me talking about whats not allowed this is me talking about the what ifs, personally i played enough of vanilla wow and looking towards the future, but this current blizzard isnt the blizzard i remember so im just stating my doubts
radiant mountain
It to took years of pain and law suit avoidance
maiden river
Tfw people still think they can just get an old copy from a flash drive and put it up for people to play
cerulean briar
@tired atlas Blizzard already confirmed in the mid June Dev watercooler that patch 1.12 will be their foundation
It amazes me that some people still don't know that classic has been confirmed for 2 months now
jagged cypress
proud fog
Wrong chat
cerulean briar
That's still a sexy worgen
bright root
Dogs arent sexy
tired atlas
@cerulean briar its been supposedly "confirmed" for over a year since blizzcon
Like i saidni have doubts ill give it 30% chance they go through with it by 2021
cerulean briar
Well what about the Dev watercooler back in mid June? That's pretty much confirmation plus blizz looking for jobs on their website for classic @tired atlas
maiden river
Did anyone remember the original High Elf model before it was Blood Elf Thalassian back in vanilla?
grizzled juniper
the modified night elf ?
maiden river
Yea something like that.
cerulean briar
npc that teleported you to molten core was a high elf
left carbon
if i recall blood elves only started to exist in TBC expansion, they existed in Warcraft 3 campaigns tho
woeful moss
You are correct
left carbon
I know that because i played a crap ton of Warcraft 3 and its expansion 😄
maiden river
@left carbon Yea that is true through during the TBC Expansion. But what about some of them during the very start of wow? Only Blood Elves i saw were the blood mages in Basted lands.
cerulean briar
There was at least one blood elf in vanilla because the NPC to start the attunement quest was the same NPC that teleported you to the MC entrance when you were done with the attunement quest
He was also a blood elf
left carbon
@maiden river Those were diferent models if i remember correctly
@cerulean briar I think that one was a Night Elf not a Blood Elf
cerulean briar
Yeah it was a night elf with light skin and green eyes
the blood elf skeleton was added in BC
It was a new model compared to the reskinned night elf
left carbon
oh ok
maiden river
Thered also a blood elf in stonetalon
For horde. Quest was to tell you to kill sons and daughters of cenarius
maiden river
anyone gimme wow classic download link and please not torrent file
oblique folio
WoW classic isn't out yet
grizzled juniper
He wants the client
oblique folio
Which isn't out. The only ones out are torrents.
left carbon
@maiden river If you visit any WoW Classic server(private ones ofc) they have client downloads there
If you want the real deal you have to wait like everyone else
for Blizzard to release their "classic" version of nowadays of what Classic WoW was once many years ago
maiden river
@left carbon when blizzard releases?
and thank you
https://strawpoll.com/dz1k898b I got it thanks
left carbon
@maiden river They don't say when, they only say what they say every year about all games they have, the famous word "soon" 😄
so that can be at the last quarter of this year or next year, who knows, only person who knows right now is someone working on Classic
From blizzard company
That is a prediction poll, that's not anything official from Blizzard
idle kite
Lol spring of 2018.... 😂 that poll is wack.... should be 2019 or 2020
fathom sail
@neon token :p
cobalt rampart
i believe "never, i think they'll be feeding us just enough info to keep us satisfied while it goes the way of HL3
oblique folio
but hl3 didn't have people hired into it.
cerulean briar
But they already confirmed it back in the June dev watercooler
maiden river
Ppl dont want it to come out cause then they cant complain about that specific thing
green folio
oblique folio
data don't feed the trolls
cobalt rampart
I'm not trolling.
I seriously think they will come up with a valid reason not to do it
maiden river
Blizzard isn't like that.
ah fuck... actually....
Starcraft: Ghost, Warcraft: Lord of the Clans
It happened before.
hexed finch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtWbXNgbaN0 not related to classic,but related to vanilla
oblique folio
@cobalt rampart They would have to fire the wow team they hired specifically for it. 🤔
that's why I think you're trolling
cerulean briar
Yeah you're right
grizzled juniper
well tbh
if lords of clans would had been released
stuff would be really different
quiet pine
or him
cerulean briar
Deathwing
grim oyster
molten widget
Will the Legacy servers use the Original Talent Tree and graphics?
grizzled juniper
Yes
molten widget
awesome
maiden river
no changes
gloomy gate
While they are at it, they could improve graphics etc, no? 😁
grizzled juniper
No
bright root
#NOCHANGES
gloomy gate
Uh, ok! 😁
maiden river
#changequestitems
bright root
Why?
oblique folio
y'all want classic but then don't want all the inconveniences of classic. lmao
grizzled juniper
Such is the hypocresy
maiden river
I'm sorry I want something to be improved lol
What I meant by quest items are those items you pick up in the world for quests. Like that lockbox early on as an orc/troll. 5 min respawn
grizzled juniper
It wouldnt be classic if it is improved
open birch
haha lvl 60 boost on classig
bright root
$999.99 😂
molten widget
I have never played Classic WoW but it looks like fun
mental harness
I hope the level cap in classic is 120
tepid glacier
i hope theyll fix everything, change graphics, add achievement, pets, group finder and flying mount at level 60
it would make classic wow a lot better
also, reducing ennemy's hp would be nice
grizzled juniper
No
If they want to remake wow vanilla
They better redo it from scratch and call it wow 2
grizzled juniper
...The point is
1:1 Vanilla
That is
The point
Make it compatible with the current systems
probably give it widescreen support
But
All the bugs and what made Vanilla wow Vanilla
must remain
If they change a bit...
tepid glacier
you mean the bugs that maded the game unplayable ?
grizzled juniper
And those bugs
Are what made vanilla a cult game
The core client will be 1.12
tepid glacier
yes but if they throw the game without changes, less people will play it. less people play it = less money
cerulean briar
Blizzard will probably add QoL's in classic because that will attract a wider audience because blizzards main goal is money
C:
tepid glacier
@cerulean briar qol?
grizzled juniper
Quality of Live
tepid glacier
?
cerulean briar
💰 💴
tepid glacier
🤑 🤑 🤑
bright root
Just dumb.. IF Blizzurd change smth, less ppl who cryin "give us legacy servers"will play it
cobalt rampart
@oblique folio no they wouldn't, they'd redistribute them, like they did with Titan. They sent some of the team back to WoW, and the rest to overwatch.
oblique folio
they also turned titan into overwatch. What would they do with Classic WoW being as complete as it is now? Turn it into WoW 2?
cobalt rampart
i have no clue, but until significant progress is made towards it, ill be more towards "ill believe it when i see it". last i read, correct me if im wrong, a couple months ago, they had found a build that they were able to start updating
here we go: https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/21881587/dev-watercooler-world-of-warcraft-classic
trust me, i want it as much as everyone else, but at the same time, look at how much the community argued over small pedantic stuff, new models vs old models, group finder vs no, b.net integration, etc. some people want it exactly like it was back in 04-06, but unfortunately it wont be, simply because times change when it comes to hardware and compatibility with old systems. guaranteed on release half of the people interested in it will be bitching "this isnt classic wow, rabblerabblerabble."
if it comes out, awesome, if not, ill be a little disappointed. ive learned throughout my life not to get overly excited about unreleased stuff, especially video games. (DAMN YOU NO MANS SKY!)
gloomy gate
You either are old or really sage
oblique folio
Literally. They confirmed what they wanted to do, what patch they were doing, and that they were not changing around the gameplay itself but will be integrating things like battle.net functionality. Which is literally what they did with Starcraft Remastered, why doubt Blizzard when they have examples of them legitimately being faithful? Because some two bit developers with massive ambitious goals with no proof that they could pull it off didn't do it?
hexed finch
Sean Murray is a madman
he hyped it up through the ceiling
and then the actual game came out
Star citizen's case is even worse
oblique folio
Like I could understand if it was a company not Blizzard doing Classic, I could understand the hesitation to place any form of trust into that. Too many times have small developers tried big goals and failed on delivering every single time, but this is Blizzard entertainment. They've shown that yes, they can do faithful recreations and simply tacking on of certain systems without changing the game itself.
See WC3, Starcraft, Starcraft remastered.
I see no reason to not trust them on this.
cobalt rampart
@gloomy gate im 32 so i may be considered old to some
@oblique folio SC Ghost. Warcraft Adventures.
grizzled juniper
Warcraft Adventures had a reason to be canceled
cobalt rampart
i know, but i was really looking forward to it, I WAS YOUNG AND IMPRESSIONABLE DAMN IT!
oh and the best example of all. dance studios triggered
grizzled juniper
I mean Vris, you know how people want Vanilla to not be Vanilla and instead to be a new WoW at this rate
cobalt rampart
i cant remember what magazine it was that i read about it, i want to say it was EGM, but i was so excited
hexed finch
yeah,all the "i dont like current wow" elitist,are so fervent that classic will become the new wow and kill off the current wow in some show of extreme voodoo
grizzled juniper
Even if new wow is really better than vanilla
cobalt rampart
if it releases within the next 5 years ill be pleasantly surprised and i will eat my words (literally, i will print this conversation out and eat it, no bamboozle)
oblique folio
But it was also terrible
hexed finch
the rosetint goggles are too strong,because remember that most people(not all) that played vanilla,were not adults
cobalt rampart
id say a large majority of the people that want classic havent played it on anything other than private servers
oblique folio
Like Warcraft adventures was really a terrible game.
cobalt rampart
that 30-50 grind gives me the shivers when i think about it
grizzled juniper
Well
oblique folio
Granted that certain servers like Nost kept it as vanilla as they could without the actual source code
grizzled juniper
They are going to play Vanilla out of curiosity
I did play vanilla out of curiosity
cobalt rampart
then they will realize how hard it was compared to todays wow, then quit
grizzled juniper
After the evolved gameplay I couldnt really pass over the 20 levels
cobalt rampart
i mean are most people really prepared to hoof it without a mount till 40
grizzled juniper
Most of vanilla skills were limited to autoattacks only
hexed finch
vanilla's content was basically 90% the leveling,and 10% the actual endgame max lvl stuff
grizzled juniper
That until the first dungeons tho
cobalt rampart
@grizzled juniper https://i.redditmedia.com/19w_J6eWXeKmbM5CbbUIhqdzdeI4KAhF-sP2RvfRcXg.jpg?w=990&s=fb65424025174be94d1461bbbcbf539f
grizzled juniper
The first patches were empty
hexed finch
ah yea,you mean autoattack simulator for ret pallies in vanilla
cobalt rampart
rofl
dont forget about dancing pallies in MC
i cant believe that went on as long as it did
(for those that dont know, you used to be able to keep some healers out of range of raid bosses and they wouldnt get in combat, so if someone died mid fight you could rez them)
hexed finch
also 5% of that 10% that was the endgame,was hopelessly long and complex questlines,to get some vital item to the class,or to even enter the place
grizzled juniper
And part grinding
oblique folio
Legit tho, a lot of players I see begging for Vanilla want only the "good parts" of it and to remove the inconveniences. Which make me laugh.
hexed finch
and with a majority of casuals nowadays(probably cause of lfr or whatever) if they put in one single questline like the scepter of shifting sands from vanilla
would explode in salt on the forums
oblique folio
Don't forget Dafire, there wasn't enough quests to actually hit 60 as well. Often times you had to grind out the last level or 2 to hit 60.
hexed finch
and quit altogether
oblique folio
Most likely they'll just have it like they do with Starcraft. Where it just shows you're there in game and could chat over battle.net
since that also ya know
helps in preventing cheaters
and exploiters
it's kinda needed
cobalt rampart
those hour long hunts for rexxar in desolace were a pain in the ass
hexed finch
i was a little boi and started in tbc,but my brother should have done the horde onyxia attunement
cobalt rampart
i started a week after launch, the game came out 6 months after i graduated high school, so wow has been the game i have logged the most hours in (close second is link to the past, which i replay each year)
hexed finch
it's probably my most played game too,with warframe as second
cobalt rampart
i tried to get into warframe, it ran like crap on my pc, then i tried it on ps4 and it was kinda boring for me
only mmo that has pulled me in somewhat close to wow is tera, and that was only after the removed the "asian mmo grindfest" aspect from it last year
oblique folio
Oh I love warframe! though I will admit, and Digital Extremes admits the same thing, it doesn't have much of a tutorial.
cobalt rampart
yeah, the controls at first had a steep learning curve (on ps4)
hexed finch
basically it overwhelms you with the power of constant updates if you're a new player
cobalt rampart
but with the freebies you get as a ps plus and twitch prime subscriber, you're too OP and it gets boring fast, at least in my opinion
oblique folio
Also the fact that so very little is actually explained nad the rest you have to wiki or find out yourself. Which often leads to wasting time or resources.
hexed finch
it doesnt have much of a learning curve like wow does with its leveling,if you were to compare it,it's like logging in and being lvl 120 straight off the bat
oblique folio
Nah Raev
As someone who's pumped a thousand hours into it
you're not OP
trust me on that
cobalt rampart
ive got around 10 hours into it, which admittedly isnt a lot on an mmo
oblique folio
The actual "end game" content and the story quests will kick your ass no matter the equipment you bring in.
hexed finch
10 hours 
cobalt rampart
i dont remember its been about a year since i played, i think they had just released the twitch prime loot when i picked it up on ps4
hexed finch
the gameplay is quite engaging with the hundreds on hundreds of firearms,pistols and melee weapons
oblique folio
And they're all of different types as well!
hexed finch
also,you can get into fashion frame too
oblique folio
From submachine guns, to beam weapons, to BFG, to shotgun
across both sidearms and main weapons
cobalt rampart
i wish they'd make a unreal tournament MMO
oblique folio
and the different melee weapons from staves, to katanas, to greatswords, to longswords, machetes and even whips.
There's a lot of flexible gameplay.
Also their currency market is a market every game should adopt IMO
cobalt rampart
i love how the tera AH works you can post something, and if you see something you want to buy, you can haggle the price with the seller
live
oblique folio
for Warframe, platinum can be traded between players.
hexed finch
ONLY cosmetic things are with premium currency,and you can earn that currency ingame by trading with other players
oblique folio
Which is their real money bought currency.
Yup. You can actually buy from the platinum market without spending a dime on the game.
hexed finch
on top of that
they make updates constantly
so if you've been gone for a year
prepare for culture shock
@cobalt rampart it is often said,that warframe really quickly overwhelms new players if they dont have a guide nearby,so if you want to give warframe a shot,i can set aside some of my "wow farming" time,to help you get into it <-<
cobalt rampart
oh, im too busy to dedicate time to more than wow, lol, i barely get to play my ps4 anymore, im a single dad now all my free time is spent with my son
oblique folio
it does which DE does state multiple times that they do want to make a better tutorial for the game, but they're currently reworking how melee combat works to make it to where guns aren't overshadowed by them.
cobalt rampart
only times i get to play wow now are when my sons at school and after i put him to bed
hexed finch
SINGLE DAD LIFE cue heavy metal music overlayed on top of really boring footage
cobalt rampart
basically lol
hes 5, the staff at chuck e cheese know us by name now -_-
cant wait till hes 8 and can ride go-karts, we're gonna have so much fun
hexed finch
because they have to be more realistic
oblique folio
that's just something blizz put in for some flavor of the world
grizzled juniper
I find it funny
Mostly at low levels
When you are innocent and you see a wolf rushing to kill a rabbit
gilded token
I would love all of the updates in a wow vanilla server. As more of an aside, just take the current build system and reset the timeline. Make some zero hour servers, that would be great. Greater. No vanilla butthurt then!
cerulean briar
?
haughty lily
anyone have an idea of when blizzard is going to release classic?
vernal kettle
Nope. Nothing has been announced.
grizzled juniper
Feb 29
cerulean briar
Hopefully 2019 but i'm estimating 2020
split peak
someone tell me a joke
grizzled juniper
your arenas rating
rotund patrol
I like what they did to StatCraft remastered and I'd be happy to see something similar for WoW Classic. The old gameplay with all the bugs and imbalance but improved graphics and infrastructure.
oblique folio
I really hope all the game breaking bugs are back in the game.
And honestly I dont want improved graphics for itl
I want it to be old cartoony.
maiden river
Screw that
distant ore
I also agree with Vris
grizzled juniper
Same
No changes
It defeats the purpose of a classic wow
What people want is a remake of vanilla
cerulean briar
If i wanted classic with changes then i can play project 60 in BFA
mental harness
Wait you mean to tell me classic won't have heirlooms?!? Dungeon finder?!? Well I don't wanna play it then. How dare they make classic classic.
cerulean briar
well they're not getting one
sorry
Blizz will make classic classic and that's that ::)
grizzled juniper
Better let's have a w2-3 remaster than a wow one
mental harness
I've heard to many people say they hope there is increased xp, spawn rates, and drop rates. Sooooo what you are saying is you want a private server . Sounds horrible
grizzled juniper
I cant tell if you are serious or not
mental harness
Maybe
cunning glade
Tbh classic will be overrated. I think all this people who now screams "only vanilla, best wow was core". It will be hard as hell and boring. Looking by everybody reaction to amount of farming in BfA.
grizzled juniper
It's going to be a mess of resources wasted in the end
Like
Only people that are really stubborn and dont want to acknowledge the mess vanilla was will play it
unkempt dune
Dunno, think most the hate against vanilla is people who never played it to know. Granted there are some who are all into that haven't done it that might not be able to take it
The only thing I'm really dreading is the lack of some QoL changes. It will be nice leveling and feel like I actually earn something compared to know where leveling is so stupidly painful mostly since you get nothing from a level
bright root
What some QoL.. #NOCHANGES
We dont wanna mass loot, RDF etc..
cerulean briar
QoL oh god no
trail sierra
AoE looting wasn't added till Mists of Pandaria
bright root
Yup.. U can autoloot, but mob per mob
mental harness
I don't think vanilla was as bad as everyone is making it out to be. I loved vanilla. It is my best memories of WoW.
oblique folio
I mean
If spending like 3-4 months getting to max level was fun for ya, then sure. @mental harness Or not being able to play the game, or being able to log in, or not being able to move, or being sent to zones unrelated to the zone you wanted to go via boat, or if you wanted to PVP and weren't a rogue.
OH can't forget the thrilling and invigorating rotations of vanilla
mages spammed Frostbolt, no matter the spec, most specs werent' used for end game content, the very large gap of power between classes and specsof the same role.
Can't also forget the issue of mana being on everyone but rogues, warriors and feral druids. With pools so small, and regen so tight, that buffing a raid took upwards of 5-10 minutes.
Vanilla had a lot of issues that we just tend to ignore
Oh and ret paladins only would auto attack. Because mana had to be conserved for seals and judgement, and for buffs that ran out mid-combat.
cerulean briar
I wish classic would come out alreadyyy
mental harness
@oblique folio I guess everyone's experiences were different. I never had any issues in vanilla that bothered me. /Shrug. I'm looking for to it.
mental harness
I'm not saying they didn't exist. They just never bothered me. I enjoyed the grind of vanilla, but I came from Lineage 2. So grinding was normal.
oblique folio
Oh the grind isn't what I listed.
mental harness
Saying if you enjoy spending 3-4 months to get to max levek sounded like you were referring to the grind. I misinterpreted it
cerulean briar
fastest 60 in vanilla was 4 days /played
oblique folio
yes. As /played. Or four straight days of leveling.
mental harness
I know there is a guide that someone made that if you follow it 100% you can get 1-60 in 4-5days played time. I think they even made an ingame add-on for it. Acts as a quest add-on like questie.
I can't remember the name. I know they were a big name from vanilla to tbc
simple cave
CAy man
idle kite
I actually like the auto attack ret pala play style....
bright root
Casualy heal yaself :D
cerulean briar
I'm going to back the WoW diary at $40 so i can help out the production of the book and recieve a digital and hard copy for myself.
I figured i should learn all i can about the development of vanilla wow because it's very interesting
tepid glacier
i bet my hand that when classic will be released, the price of the sub will be cheaper because people wont pay 2 sub at the same time
and blizzard would make less money
thats not what thay want
gloomy gate
It could be free! A gift for all or us! Yay
maiden river
Or just share the sub with the game
cerulean briar
or $10 like warcraft 3
And maybe another $10 for every Xpac they release will classic if they choose to
idle kite
same... got the wow diary book for 40$ as well.... but damn the shipping costs are crazy...31$ just for shipping... and prob another 8-10$ for import tax
but i need it :(... damn this wow addiction :))))))
need that wow vanilla fix... plus its a great insight into the game dev world. really enjoyed the scholomance short on wowhead(not sure if its actually an excerpt from the book or just a short essay for wowhead)... if the whole book is like that, def worth the money.
solemn brook
problem is the digital one cannot (due to license) have pictures
according to the kickstarter page
digital sluice
What are you talking about ?
"Be aware that eBook captions and body text cannot be independently sized. While the eBook version of The WoW Diary has the same images and text of the printed version, some layouts won't work (where the text and images are meant to be viewed together)."
@solemn brook
solemn brook
I guess I misread something
and it was possibly on the canceled page, but you're right in that it's not on the current page or any updates
idle kite
no point in buying the ebook... if i wanted an ebook i would have waited 2-5 days after release to download it for free from some site. i want the physical book.. that's the best way to read something that you know you will enjoy
its sad for the seller... but its the cold hard truth. any digital thing will be on the internet after release. that's why i dont buy ebooks... paperback or hardcover all the way.
bright root
Especialy when eBook will be DMR free
hexed finch
you mean DRM free
delicate lion
Probably dmr too, i don't remember many sniper rifles in vanilla
bright root
hahahaha 😄 arms 2h furry 2x1h
2x2h starts with wotlk and also it was last talent in furry tree
sweet quail
ty
cerulean briar
Fury equipted 2 1 handed weapons and Arms equipted 1 2 handed weapon
oblique folio
grizzled juniper
no
grizzled juniper
I wouldn't say that
vocal agate
Fair enough, thank you for answering.
hexed finch
remember though
this guy hasnt worked at blizzard
for like 4 yrs
so while yes,he's a valid source
it's no confirmation of the timeframe
vocal agate
I cannot find any information which consists "2021"
grizzled juniper
Here is
The key word
believes that WoW Classic will release after 2021.
Believes
BELIEVES
vocal agate
There is not such words in this reddit thread.
Probably clickbait.
Found it, nevermind.
oblique folio
Spoke to soon he did
hollow junco
Man, My money is on 2020
solemn brook
I'm still thinking 2020 too
dreamy glen
wait are these classic servers or classic private servers? @.@
hexed finch
classic servers
cerulean briar
Private server talk is forbidden
grizzled juniper
Pri🅱ateserver
potent hamlet
Theoretically speaking: IF classics servers are in the cards what will be the cutoff patch-wise? Will it be PURE classic or will they include some of the quality of life changes they've made over the years? Will they eventually add the expansions for specific servers?
grizzled juniper
they might try and add qol changes
oblique folio
@potent hamlet they already confirmed it's patch 1.12
that's it
that's all you get
There was a huge post made about how they were going to add in battle.net integration, so you would have things like friends lists and junk which is what all blizzard games have now a days.
but otherwise
no QoL
They want to mimic it as closely as they possibly could
potent hamlet
@oblique folio I'll have to look that announcement up. I hope it has a list of some sort of what was included up to that patch.
grizzled juniper
it doesnt have a lot
just said that it was hard to do the porting to current compatibilities and all
And that they were indeed starting at 1.12 due the stability it had and how complete it was
potent hamlet
I enjoy my time with WoW but the early goings were ROUGH looking back on it. Running EVERYWHERE until 40. Pally had no dps what's so ever.
Did 1.12 include MC?
oblique folio
I just told you the patch
1.12
the last patch of Vanilla
Everything was unlocked, everything was avail
except for Gates
that won't be available
grizzled juniper
Are we going to unlock dem?
potent hamlet
Yeah you told me patch 1.12, most people don't know what was included in patch 1.12, myself included.
grizzled juniper
they didn't put what it content)
oblique folio
Like most private servers, they tend to leave themselves on the last patch specifically because it has all the data available in it. Everything's unlocked, there's no waiting on anything other than how you progress through the gear.
My bet is that they'll have AQ on release and then release things like MC and Naxx later
but those are gonna be nightmares
so enjoy that. I'll sit at level 25 in ashenvale
potent hamlet
It will be full of nostalgia and people will flock to it for a bit at least. I'll give it a go for a while likely.
oblique folio
I'll be here lapping up the salty tears from my beautiful forest as people cry about how blizzard ruined classic by making it extra hard.
bright root
Cant wait on 29/39 twinking 🕵
solemn brook
I don't see why they would have AQ at release
and I also can't find anything that says there won't be gates of AQ
seems more of a speculation of yours that you are stating as a fact
https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/wiki/whatweknow
this seems like it has all the info compiled into one page, and seems like Blizzard does not know details like that atm
topaz pond
So sad we wont get classic any time soon
oblique folio
I litreally said
Oh I didn't say it was my thoughts
rip
Anyways, the reason I say gates wouldn't be available is because its at 1.12. @solemn brook and AQ's unlocking was patches beforehand.
solemn brook
Well, Blizzard has the technology to gate content
being on a patch does not mean all of its content is available
grizzled juniper
I dont think they could gate them
Heck I dont think they could add newer technologies into the game core without fucking it
solemn brook
then why isn't classic out yet
grizzled juniper
Because they are trying to make it at least compatible with most of the newer systems, because if you havent noticed, certain options of the vanilla game just dont work on new pcs, if you change the color stuff, it just ceases working
bright root
Hey guys, i know its forbiten talking about PServers, but do u know they usually running on 1.12.1 and many of them are able do (reanimate / script) AQ war resources and whole event? ;) so, i think blizz can do same job as non-profesionals.. Have it on last patch and having opening releases for all content as happend back in time
cerulean briar
Can't wait for classic on holiday season 2040
grizzled juniper
There was no bnet
oblique folio
@bright root the issue is not whether or not they can, it's whether or not they should. Considering the original opening was heavily bugged, glitchy, didn't work or ripped apart the servers.
On a private server it's easier to rig up because its a much smaller sample size of a few hundred to a few thousand (and that's being very generous on the later) of active users all doing it. Minus the millions that were up during the original event.
cerulean briar
The problem with Bnet is that it enables cross faction talking
which was forbidded back then
But the ToS has changed over time
cerulean briar
Well i mean it was banned to prevent teaming up cross faction
GM's were an exception
oblique folio
Do you have any proof to that claim? @cerulean briar
oblique folio
then we should be banned
cuz the use of discord specifically does break this
the secret findings discord also breaks this
there's a lot of things that actually break this
pandaren break this
demon hunters also break it
grizzled juniper
I think there are exceptions not listed there
oblique folio
me thinks intent is also a big thing on what actually breaks ToS and what doesn't
cuz Bnet chat as is breaks this ToS and this is not just vanilla toS
this is current day ToS
cerulean briar
Did people talk cross faction in vanilla? 🤔
oblique folio
there were addons made specifically to do that
people figured out how to translate WoW's common to orcish and vice versa
People got around that stuff even in vanilla.
kinda the point of a community.
my guess is they didn't want horde and alliance to work out certain PVP things with each other
cerulean briar
Well people back then hated oppostie faction deeply
oblique folio
Not much more than today lol
cerulean briar
What would be the point of talking cross faction
oblique folio
Clearly you weren't around for rare hunting, secret finding etc
DHs and Pandaren acted as metiators of PVP realms to get everyone to chill out
got people to ask others to not be dicks
etc
Community things
grizzled juniper
Or for the people that still were friends outside the game
I think these ToS are Really Outdated
solemn brook
I tried talking to a void elf once, they didn't know how to change their language I guess
grizzled juniper
Although i don't think brozzard cares that we speak in dc
oblique folio
that doesn't work @maiden river cuz Orcs do know common.
Forsaken also know common.
maiden river
which is why I dislike the language barrier, yes. I mean, all NPC can talk to all players anyways
pseudo mason
I will win the giveaway. #Zaldin used Psychic
oblique folio
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THEY'RE TOTALLY NOT MAKING CLASSIC GUYS