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#classic-wow
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kindred jetty
So I'm around level 30 (protection warrior) and I've just realsied how dumb my gear looks. It does me well (Not my weapon, which is the rolling pin cookie drops) but i'd like a full set or to have my gear looking nice - preferably red. Also, I need to grab a new one handed weapon. Any advice or help?
https://i.imgur.com/Cmdb8Vw.png
any level 30 instances which drop coool sets or 1 handed weapons you know of?
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This is why transmog was added o3o
tired radish
There was a nice set around that level I believe but, I think that its starting into the 34+ range, and it's Cataclysm added, so assuming this is WoW Classic (as in the server) that doesn't work out. I don't recall any decent looking mail armor in red at that level, but I have one set in mind if I can recall what it was called....
Ah there it is. The Hulking armor set looks decent.
Martyr's Chain, but lol, the AH has that up for 35k XD wow
Raider's set of armor perhaps, similar to the Martyr's chest.
Battleforge is an option
woven widget
They can implement transmog when official classic releases
faint rivet
Honestly, there's no reason to really farm a set of gear yet. The best sets imo are always going to be the higher level sets.
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o3o
faint rivet
Personally, I think that the mix-match armor of Classic is what makes classic, classic.
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I mean you're not wrong
faint rivet
You can see exactly what everyone has on, no one is hiding anything, and most warriors just ended up looking like clowns and it was amazing. Haha
faint rivet
You can at least transmog away from most of the clown-look. Back in BWL times, warriors look hilarious.
Too good. Haha.
woven widget
Honestly I don't think official classic is going to bring in that many people
woven widget
If it comes with the base WoW sub then yeah I'll play. If not then I'm not touching it with a 10 foot pole
Maybe it won't even be sub based since there's going to be literally 0 development for it past release
faint rivet
there's definitely going to be some development, I'm sure there will be plenty o f bugs lmao
woven widget
Okay I meant development as in efforts to make it something more than a nostalgia grab
o3o
visual summit
No changes.
maiden river
honestly the most plausible theory is it being shared with the sub
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I wouldn't spend anymore than 10 dollars
faint rivet
I think you're in the minority of classic players then lol
maiden river
People paid 40 bucks to experience dark souls 1 again lol
faint rivet
lmao
woven widget
Yeah but the main difference between the content in vanilla WoW, especially for the patch it's going to be in release, and an HD version of dark souls. Dark souls 1 PvE content aside from 2 zones was actually cohesive and was good standalone without a community behind it
Meanwhile the community is the sole draw to a vanilla WoW experience and that community has changed quite a bit
Although it'll be fun to use those more traditional rpg mechanics again
maiden river
uhh...people bought dark souls 1 again for the community and as the sole draw
they wanted to pvp again lively servers and all
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DS1 PvP was horrible though
maiden river
yeah but people still bought it
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Nobody liked it aside from people that saw the potential in it
Now people did love the PvE content, community or not
And DS2 PvP was amazing but the pve content was shite i cri
maiden river
"nobody liked it" yet i've seen people go on and on about how excited they were to experience invasions and invading again in ds1
woven widget
That's only because the feature was now lacking but it wasn't the main draw for most of the people that got the remaster. That probably made up like 15% or less of buyers
But whatever
woven rock
Yeah you're wrong
slender osprey
I sense unnecessary hostility
woven rock
More like passive aggression
maiden river
But to who
slender osprey
I mean, passive aggression is still hostility
alpine orchid
what even was HD about the dark souls remaster
better visuals, but the actual scenery' sthe exact same
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I didn't say the community deteriorated at all Ali. I said the community has changed which is not an incorrect statement at all
@alpine orchid I knoooow, they didn't even try to revamp the shitty zones or bosses
alpine orchid
yeah, really just a major disappointment
the only thing dsr has going for it atm is the fact that its brought back the community
there's a stronger pvp presence now and that's pretty much the only thing anyone really came there for i think
but we should probably move this to #no-wow-discussion lol
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Nah people that didn't get to play DS1 came for it. That's the point of a remaster, to fix certain parts of your product, touch up details, and reach a broader audience that didn't get to experience the original
thick notch
I had forgotten just how basic classic was.. I also never played all the classes, so this was quite eye opening
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WoW was super basic and honestly very limiting back in vanilla. The new talent system exists because the old one was full of lies
maiden river
limiting is right. can't be arsed to play fire mage (my favorite spec) in the first two raids
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Wanna be viable outside of PvP and group content? Well then never play a Paladin, Priest, or Druid
Even then druid is nothing but "Why does this exist" in classic
Those classes are fucking impossible to level with
Cause it's so boring
maiden river
paladin: fucking basic attacks only
priest: have fun dying cause cloth
druid: lol wut
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Wanna have fun? Grind for literal months and if RNGesus favors you then you MIGHT be able to have fun
Like the core of the experience isn't the game itself at that point but solely your interactions. And your interactions are normally p good regardless of which version of the game you play imo
Like I understand and can appreciate reasons why it's tedious but it makes the game far less enjoyable in the long run imo
maiden river
rogue: get a button macro and u good fam
warrior: DPS? What's a DPS?
ok i'll stop
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Hunter: "MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY"
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Let's not forget that at one point boomkin form was a feral talent
maiden river
mage: portal tips and teleports for dayyyyys
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Shaman: lemme be a dog and help no one until I roll a few dice
maiden river
i believe that's all the classes
maiden river
no you can't
maiden river
the shortest speedrun, keyword speedrun, is 4 days and 14 hours.
woven rock
The first guy to hit 60
maiden river
eh?
woven rock
Do you know what a private server is?
maiden river
yes but idk how to look up a person on them
maiden river
post says 3d 7h
woven rock
23 hours
maiden river
ye that's what i'm on
woven rock
You mean the actual post?
woven rock
Still shorter
maiden river
never counted friday as a weekend day tbh. school dayz
naive totem
Question
Would you guys want Classic to release content in the same order that it did? Or would you want an Old School Runescape twist where they basically make an alternative Warcraft storyline?
tired stone
as far as I know they are using the last major patch of Vanilla as the base for Classic
who knows if they plan on going through TBC and WOTLK content as well
slender osprey
I wouldn’t doubt it, it’d be more mons
naive totem
Well, I mean... It allows doing things some fans want then others.
Like Kael'thas living
Garrosh being portrayed in a positive light then forced villain role
Jaina not dedicating her life to 'PURGE'
tired stone
thats the thing as well, what if anything will they charge for classic? I would imagine and hope that they just include it in your current sub
naive totem
Indeed, I am alright with say... Model and graphics updates
But understand if people want potato models
tired stone
I dont think they will update the models or anything
naive totem
I mostly want to see the quests and such that I never got to do since they were removed so I have less of a gun pointed at Blizz for changes
tired stone
I really think that htey are just trying to port over all that data to the modern infrastructure, and then optimize it
naive totem
Yeah, I do however see an opportunity to explore and give story that people do want and... heck...
Modern WoW is burning it's options that Alternative history works better in making the same content... But different...
tired stone
im looking forward to the raiding... 40 man raids sound awesome
and I never got to do them 11 years ago
naive totem
It probably will be ugly in some cases
tired stone
im looking forward to it
the game is so completely different now. and while I played vanilla, I didnt play a whole lot of it
naive totem
I played Runescape since too poor
bright root
For me is terrible think be Master looter and choose who will got gear, who is more valuable etc..
naive totem
.>
Years
I still play RS3 for some quests
Can't do invention really
Brother owns the account for OSRS where I also do the quests
tired stone
they're shutting down OSRS in a month or two yeah?
tired stone
wasnt aware there were that many versions...
naive totem
There was Darkscape
Which was Hardcore Runescape
Die anywhere, Had seperate economies you literally had to make trading routes between cities with armed guards
Didn't really catch on
thorn canopy
Further content patches that stick firmly to Vanillas design after Naxxramas would be great imo (especially if we got to see the cut Dragon Isles raid), but what I think is much more likely is we'll get progression up to Wrath
bright root
And what old emeral dream? Ashara with wintergrasp concept? Lot of scraped ideas was vanilla in past
tired stone
They explained that patch 1.12 worked best so far with the modern infrastructure
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@green folio I too want them to start with the patch where boomkin was a feral talent and Hunter pets didn't even have swimming animations
green folio
I mean idc where they being as long as they can get the servers up and running
But if I had a preference I would say 1.0 and then update overtime
woven widget
Why would you want 1.0 though, objectively the worst patch the game has ever had
woven widget
So you want to remember vanilla and experience vanilla as an unplayable Trainwreck until 1.12
Okey
green folio
I mean I don't think of it that way
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Even then I'd rather just have 1.7 or whatever and be done with it
green folio
sure it was bad, but I just want to feeling of change overtime rather than going straight into the future
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Vanilla is a stagnant environment no matter which route you go
But I mean that's what people want I guess
green folio
which is why I don't really care where they begin
flint dune
I honestly don't see classic lasting all that long.
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Inb4 they jebaited us for years and they just give us RuneScape
Literally RuneScape
Through a classic WoW launcher
And it's still like a 14 gig download and when you check the files for the game 13 gigs of that is either Draenei futa porn or a bunch of cute goat pictures
This is the perfect timeline
flint dune
Don't forget the Wrathion/Anduin pictures
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Also why are you no longer an ambassador
flint dune
I got promoted
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O
flint dune
By myself
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grizzled juniper
What the heck gamma
thorn canopy
The only minor issue I have with starting at 1.12 is that I believe MC and BWL are easier than they should be, but it's still worth starting at 1.12
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@grizzled juniper what's wrong?
mild vortex
void elf hair
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Ew
round dome
Hi,have somebody at a high level,can you help us get the Stratholme 5-10 times?
maiden river
wat
merry depot
idle kite
Lol
maiden river
Transmog yes. Lfg no.
woven widget
open world lfg that doesn't teleport you to dungeons sounds like a tool classic could really use and not compromise the content or feeling
People are just going to use external sources like discord or forums to find groups anyway at this point
I hope if they implement transmog that it's pre-legion mogging
grizzled juniper
There wasnt mogging in Vanilla
They want to keep the game as vanilla as possible
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Yeah but mogging is great
maiden river
they had a good reason for mogging in their wired video
everyone is eventually going to look the same at some point since everyone knows what gear to go after
woven widget
Yeah
maiden river
i wanna be an individual. not just another raider
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I mean you'll have role-play peeps that have like 90 white gear pieces with them for RP only
maiden river
i've got the jade set, the glorious set, the bloodscale set.
the ornate set for mail armor
shit be lit yo
woven widget
And the panda starting zone belts
Cause for some reason you're not able to mog those and they look fucking SICK
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The DOGS
maiden river
anyways in regards to classic. mogging would be nice
woven widget
Just pre-legion mogging
And if it's such an issue for you then just ask them to implement an option to ignore transmogs
maiden river
is it like...you have to have the item to mog into it?
maiden river
i dont remember
woven widget
You used to have to have the item +the item you wanted to copy the appearance from
maiden river
basically fallen in love with this system lol
i love this system mainly cause of season boss weapons
like the horsman sinister slicer
and ahune scythe
what class yall gonna go for classic btw?
grizzled juniper
Warrior and tank all
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I'm not gonna play classic unless it's either like 15 dollars or comes with the base sub
And I'll probably just play priest or Hunter
maiden river
Mage all da way
open birch
This is golden
Classic be classic
Dont implement things over it
Enjoy it as it is
😊
grizzled juniper
Ye
hexed finch
hey,that's my guild's name 
open birch
Play legion then
open birch
If you want a classic improved lol
open birch
And they will expect to level without the food rests each 2 mobs max
grizzled juniper
Just no people
WoW Classic is just
1.12
No transmog
No flying mounts
No class balance
No LFG
No dungeon groups
open birch
^
grizzled juniper
Classic"... Not this "Legion" shit. Just plain-ass, normal, everyday, no question about it, no Death Knights, no Draenei, not named after a World, not named after a fharacter, not named after the Sargeras' pet demons, no furries, goblins, transmog, double mounts, crossrealm, simple, ordinary, unembellished, unmistakable, crystal clear, as frank as Frankenstein, as blunt as an atom bomb, one compound word, it's mother fucking, God dammit, sons-of-bitchin', fuck-fuck-fucking Classic!
...
And it sucks
I can make that rant up there completed if you want more context
grizzled juniper
Can make it longer :p
maiden river
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@grizzled juniper DO IT
grizzled juniper
There
maiden river
is that a copypasta
grizzled juniper
Modified copypasta about how the AVGN feels about Football games
maiden river
oh lol
grizzled juniper
How much time do you give classic?
maiden river
what do you mean?
grizzled juniper
Launch until it dies
maiden river
it'll stay alive for about a month then people will get bored
then it'll go back up in between final patches for an expac and a new expac release
estimating about 200K
as a frequent playerbase
maiden river
ye
but odds are BfA will considering they said it'll be similar to legion
it'll definitely spike up at the end of an expansion
grizzled juniper
Then it will probably die soon
maiden river
¯_(ツ)_/¯
old players won't be playing it that much since the game was released 14 bloody years ago. they grew up and now have jobs/families
maiden river
nah they still got their rose tinted goggles on
idle kite
Lol.... people have been playing it for the past 14 years... from the old official servers to after on private ones. Why do people think no one will play it or get bored with it? It will be played a lot.. dont you worry.
maiden river
yes but how many people lol
woven widget
Umm
A lot of those people are people joining classic for the first time actually
As an alternative to paying a sub fee or because the retail game didn't suit their interests for one reason or another (Which is hardly ever a gameplay reason unless they're like babies that left after learning you have to play the game to be good at it)
mild vortex
i like lvlving and earning gear in dungeons and not being locked out of them if i dont get the drop i was looking for
i think retails biggest drawback is everything is time gated. that's why players never sub past 3 months
woven widget
Everything was time gated*
As it released in legion
Although yeah that's fucking stupid
I can't believe they've done that for 2 expansions when nobody likes it
I understand the time gate for content like the Suramar questline
But not for fucking order Hall bullshit
mild vortex
once they hit endgame and get dungeon teir theres nothing left but sucking blizzards RNG cock
woven widget
I mean that's how vanilla was too Cough Gearing for any current raid tier cough
It's a stupid shitty thing but something that apparently a lot of people like
open birch
Well having top tier equipment from day 0 is pretty stupid
A core mechanic of games is progression
Y'know?
woven rock
you sure complain a lot Gamma.
like a lot
also gearing was pretty easy in vanilla
you just had to put a little effort
maiden river
Then 6 months later you were able to do your first raid
grizzled juniper
If you had the uber spec
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I mean progression is reasonable in MMOs especially on the PvE side of things but Vanilla progression doesn't feel rewarding? Everything feels boring and forced until you reach max and even then it's boring until you can start raiding and raid progression is the only thing that really felt rewarding
Like if I could put it in as plain terms as humanly possible the leveling experience of WoW vanilla is like an interactable loading screen and the raid content is what's actually interesting
I mean that's a bit much
Dungeons can be fun and there are very interesting quest lines
But for the most part it feels like it's just biding your time until you reach max level
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Now the vanilla raid content is like
super hardcore and amazing due to its difficulty imo
It reminds me a lot of Etrian odyssey
In the sense you have very limited debuff and buff slots along with very challenging bosses and exploration
meager dock
vanilla raid content is incredibly simple
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I mean I think I used difficulty wrong
meager dock
the hardest part of it, from what I've heard, was managing the logistics of getting 40 people to show up
meager dock
I wouldn't know because I never raided back in vanilla, but imagine the difficulty of getting 20 people together every week to run mythic, and imagine trying to do that with 40 people instead
grizzled juniper
Gamma
Probably it feel hard because it was the first time
Unlike now that we have fought different kind of mechanics
meager dock
yeah, back in those days tools like simc and wowhead didn't exist, so there wasn't really guidance
eh, there were other games with endgame pve raiding
eg everquest
which wow was the casual version of lol
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I mean, some might say casual but I will say that it was better since Everquest was needlessly punishing at every corner
But I can appreciate Everquest much more than WoW cause at least that didn't pull any punches
I've been wanting to get into Everquest since I was little but parents didn't approve of MMOs at all o3o
meager dock
see, I don't listen to what my parents tell me, and so far it's worked out pretty well for me
woven widget
I don't have much of that option rn o3o
maiden river
who cares
the only reason
you're all playing wow and not some other mmo is either that you're addicted or
the fact that it is
warcraft related
¯_(ツ)_/¯
... probably
maiden river
Or its more fun than others 
hexed finch
maiden river
Or we played it so long that we have a whole circle of friends and social contacts that we enjoy playing things together and that happens to be WoW
hexed finch
no one ever considers the social aspect 🤔
maiden river
Lol wut. Yes they do
hexed finch
#woosh
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I mean Sev you can be wrong about everything, that's fine
grizzled juniper
i might just do vanilla for the onyxia questline
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Nah do Vanilla to shout angrily at Naxx40
maiden river
4 horsemen
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Do Vanilla to relive the trauma of your guild dissolving due to Naxx40
formal oak
I'm legit gonna play vanilla for the experience. (Played a lil on a friends during wrath but otherwise-)I started back at the end-ish of cata so I never got that self punishment of vanilla
formal oak
Lol
maiden river
i wanna get atiesh
so badly
i will be the best damn mage to exist
or my name isn't SPELLboy
hexed finch
woven rock
mage
best?
calling yourself a good mage in vanilla was like a toddler calling themselves an astronaut becuase they got a toy spaceship
grizzled juniper
How bow warlock
hexed finch
even mage was Frostbolt 24/7
woven rock
hell no
tbc warlock was shadowbolt spam
vanilla warlock was basically a utility class
it was brought for its curses and teleportation
they did alright damage
and also had to sacrifice a fuck ton of health to keep casting
hexed finch
life tap 🤔
woven rock
however
if you as a warlock were specced into destro
and went full damage
AND
had a good healer
you could absolutely out dps a mage
but that was one of the great things about vanilla
you could shit all over the "viable" classes if you took the time to prepare
grizzled juniper
There was no viable class tho
woven rock
?
mage,warrior,priest
those were the only true viable classes
mage for dps
warrior for tanking
priest for healing
they were the
creme de'la creme of vanilla
nothing else could get close to them in terms of ease and efficent cds
maiden river
Rogue???
maiden river
Then someone fuckin lied to me
woven rock
why?
rogues arent bad
its just their energy system in vanilla was really restricting
they were built for burst
not for sustained dps
maiden river
Lied about largest dps
woven rock
LOL
highest dps?
nah
in pvp yes
they were the strongest
especially one with corehound tooth
you died faster then you can say rogue
but in pve its the mage
they were ranged so they didnt have to dodge many mechanics
they were mana users so they could use a lot more abilities, they could drink mana pots to refill that mana, they had really good talents and 2 viable pve specs
fire and frost were both amazingly powerful
arcane was useless
grizzled juniper
Was it?
woven rock
yeah
arcane had HUGE burst potential
but within 2 casts you were out of mana
also
you only had 2 arcane spells
arcane explosion and arcane missiles
and they both didnt do much
just straight damage spells
however if you really tried
you could dps as arcane
really well
if you were lucky with procs anyway
grizzled juniper
So boring with potential?
woven rock
yeah
however
shadow priest
was actually the highest dps
but they suffered from MASSIVE mana issues
for the first minute into rag you beat everyone in dps
then you were oom and could only cast mind flay
back down to last
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Nothing about this sounds fun o3o
idle kite
Rogues were the best dps fot melee mage for range... by design. Depending on the fight either obe could win.
Only one that could take them is a warr in execute phase or lock in full naxx gear
And all of this sounds fun.
I dont really get why people who dont like classic are in the classic channel.
Classic is about managing resouces... not just doing a rotation.
And each class has its pros and cons
You learn how to overcome the cons with dif profeshions or items... and enjoy the pros cuz no other class has them.
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I mean the resource management sounds fun but having an objectively best class for a role doesn't seem at all fun
I think you're missing the point when I said that o3o
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Mage is still super convenient to have even with the QOL changes to mobility and regen tbh
idle kite
Well vanilla has optimal and viable specs and classes.... the dif is, people make too big of a deal of it.
Sure the war is an optimal tank... the best if you will
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"Viable" as in you needed to be overgeared and overstocked in consumables to even keep up at the baseline <-<
idle kite
But palas can tank too... even druids ans shamies with the right gear and spec
The fun is finding how to do that
idle kite
Thats the thing... if some dont want to take you find another group
maiden river
You practically need to gear your warriors up if you wanna progress in naxx
And that'll take months
idle kite
No need to be hige end
People just dont get that
Vanilla can be cleared up to naxx with 20 good players
No need for full best optimal all classes setup
If was not made with that in mind
It*
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"up to naxx" meaning completing Naxx or just getting to Naxx?
idle kite
Completing naxx
woven widget
Then why does no one do it with "Any class"
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Whenever you search around you can find raid groups that have 1 or two outlying classes
But never anymore than one or two
AKA a trivial amount
idle kite
Cuz people like to do it fast... minimize the risk etc
maiden river
There is no benefit to raids taking out of the loop classes
idle kite
Some people enjoy the other side of vanilla
woven widget
Having 2 underperforming won't effect your raid outcome as long as they can occasionally reach baseline in most cases
maiden river
Unless you just wanna clear up a gear slot lol
idle kite
Not just speed farming
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having 5 Balance Druids? Well shit fam you're never gonna make it past Naxx
maiden river
It's almost like they should balance the classes for vanilla lol
woven widget
It's almost as if they had no idea what they were doing in Vanilla
And that they've learned over time and made the game better :0
idle kite
With a full best optimal class group you can clear all raids except naxx is one night... like 3-4 hours max
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o3o
idle kite
Find the people that best south your play style
And you can play any class and spex
Spec
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Wait spellboy I thought all you did was play vanilla private servers o3o
idle kite
I guess i misspellex south... but you get what i mean from the context
maiden river
I've watched my fair share of live from cousins
Two of my cousins were uh....let's just say unhealthily hardcore
idle kite
Lol
idle kite
Well there was an mc full druid cleat
maiden river
Nature vs death
idle kite
Not really... patchwork would cleave the bear tank in 2
maiden river
Do it
idle kite
I remember early wrath when people did 10 man dk runs on naxx wrath
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I don't have a computer that can handle that many players casting that many spells in a boss room filled with flashing lights and paritcle effects
So I actually can't
idle kite
Dks were so op back then
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Naxx on Wrath was also a joke
damage values were practically unchanged and players were of much higher stats
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I mean when you can have a meme class run in your meme raid and meme it up
That just proves how much of a joke Naxx was
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Fuck that sounds sexy
idle kite
I hate that they made it a tank spec
idle kite
True
idle kite
I like the idea of druids... i hate playing them
All that shapeshifting to get access to specific spells
I guess thats why i hate vanilla warrs as well... stance dancing is so annoying
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I'm actually kinda excited for stances to come back
I'm super sad they were removed in retail
also druid is hella fun with that
in PvP you can have a ton of survivability
If you time heals to offensive cooldowns
you can switch in and out of bear form
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Let's have a moment of silence for our boi, new Anduin
May he rest in peace when classic comes out
And we get to see little boy Anduin
maiden river
Manduin wont be dying
I hope
Hello I'm level 10 I start in the game and I'm looking for a nice guild that accepts the new kid I bought the full edition because I always wanted to get into WoW and who has to throw me as much to do things in large so if someone sees this message I am determined, I want to learn and I am mature
This is classic my dude
Wrong channel
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lime raft
-_-
tired mountain
How cool would it be if you could unlock transmog appearances on Classic and have them come over to your non-Classic characters? 😦
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Like there are benefits for playing every other blizz game
Like hearthsteed or the occasional exclusive mount in HotS
I think there's also a pet or two to be gained from SC2
or something
tired mountain
I'd love to be able to get the original Frostfire Regalia tier 3 for my mage
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You know what I want? Classic WoW mechanics with balance o3o
hexed crown
@maiden river Wasn't the glowing effect of chromatic sword added later like in wotlk or something, which makes it just a sword in vanilla ?
woven rock
how would you balance it?
vanilla raid mechanics were extremely delicate
you cant do anything to it without it being insanely hard
quiet pine
classic raids lul
woven rock
again
balancing vanilla classes is a really terrible idea
everything was so fine tuned that if you touched anything
every raid mechanic immediately becomes insanely easy
and then you'd have to buff the bosses and give them new mechanics
and then that wouldnt be vanilla wow
would it?
woven widget
Of course, can't compromise them 'member berries
If those get squished then this whole operation is bunk
maiden river
Well, I kinda think I remember balance was mostly done in the way that whoever got the drop on someone else first would win most of the time. (in PvP at least)
woven widget
You mean engineers
woven widget
The main profession for mostly everyone because it allows you to PvP and quest more efficiently than any other profession*
I mean unless you're a mage or priest and need a ton of mana pots I guess
maiden river
well, funniest was the flame reflector trinket against these 3-Minute-Mages
woven widget
Also it's the most efficient Hunter profession
Cause uhh, ammo
And uuhhhh, ammo
and uhhh, oh yeah rocket boots
and uhhh, ammo
Although I Think that was mostly a wrath thing
Idk about Vanilla
woven rock
enginnering wasnt that great
it had a lot of cons
first of all it was EXTREMELY expensive and grinding to level
you got your first new plans at 60 skill
which were the first set of bombs
also a lot of the crafting required 3 or more items to make
and those items/mats that were required, required even more items to make
enginnering was useful
but only to those that actually grinded for it
woven widget
Vanilla in general was expensive
woven rock
not really
most things were pretty inexpensive
unless you did something stupid like bought high level weapons from vendors
which were like 30s
woven widget
Expensive doesn't always mean gold o3o
woven rock
you mean items?
woven widget
no
woven rock
then
woven widget
Time investment. You put in a lot to get out very little in vanilla in terms of time
woven widget
o3o
woven rock
besides if you knew what you were doing you could easily reach 60 within a weekend
some pros have even gotten to 60 within 23 hourrs
woven widget
"knew" isn't really valid. No one knew about those tactics during vanilla's actual lifespan
Know is more valid
And I don't think anyone is legally allowed to get paid for playing vanilla right now so the word pro is also pretty invalid o3o
woven rock
?
the hell you on about
im talking about now
private servers
and just because you're called a pro doesnt mean you get paid for it
woven widget
Actually
woven rock
a pro is a skilled person
woven widget
tiny nymph
well, both wrong and right. you can be a pro and not get paid, but you can also be a pro and do get paid
woven rock
a proffesional is a person with many years in their craft
a Gaming Pro specifically, is someone skilled at a game
despite them being paid or not
maiden river
Proof
idle kite
The fastest is like 4 to 5 days... its impossible to get 60 in under 1 day played
Unless you have raid mob tag boosting you up... even then it wont be under 1 day
maiden river
That's an interesting way to level lol
idle kite
Athene used to do it every exp to get world first
Until he said he would get to 60 in diablo 3 world first and got owed by kripp and quit this whole thing... i dont think he even plays wow anymore
Athene is kinda like swifty... an old wow youtuber skilled player
Back in my day there was non of this fangled youtubes for wow videos... there was wowmovies
Dont think youtube even existed back then... there was a google videos
vast pumice
I have a question and its gonna sound stupid as fuck
Are they gonna add the arrows in classic wow while your questing???
cus that would be great
grizzled juniper
No
Its
Wow classic
To add stuff would defeat the purpose of having WoW Classic
tiny nymph
... uhm...
Arrows/Bullets were a thing up until Cata
So it's not something being added
grizzled juniper
Not those
The arrows of the minimap
The ones that pointed you to the area of the quest
vast pumice
thank god
thorn canopy
I hope it doesn't take too long for addons to work on Classic, I can put up with almost every inconvenience, but not having the questgiver icons on the minimap is a bit of a pain :I
grizzled juniper
The addon to work might be one of the things changed for classic
They might make them easy to work
woven widget
IF I didn't want questgiver icons I'd uhh, play Morrowind
o3o
@woven rock You keep repeating it but you're not really providing any other proof
maiden river
Hello
idle kite
Hi
open birch
./wave
lime raft
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lime raft
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cursive otter
when do you guys think are they gonna release Classic?
idle kite
2019
bright root
2020 imho.. Cuz they want remaking that.. Not just reanimate like a p.servers
maiden river
Imma go with 2019 late tho
woven rock
Ima go with a couple months after blizzcon tbh
Its a server
Of a game thats already made
They already have a prototype working
We'll see it soon
Why would they?
Do you realise how much fucking money they're gonna make off this
You let the hype simmer
It slowly rises to boil untill its ready to pop
Then you release the game
Thats how they get sales
Nah dude
Servers will be huge
At first id say 100k at first
Then itll go down to the dedicated bunch
You think they're gonna make just 1 server?
Thats crazy
Well yeah
The highest played server rn which is i think darkspear has what
20k on it
Or something
?
Its an estimate
Not 100%
Well i can guarantee classic is going to burst
But i wouldnt reccomend playing straight away.
Private servers are literally unplayable when first releasing
Since at one time like 200 people are trying to do the same quest
Yeah lol
Thats insanely boring.
Also very difficult
You need at least 5
Yeah
How long you gonna last
3 heal spells and mana is gone
Then you're screwed
rapid stream
bright root
Or?
lime raft
so uh
what class r u guys gonna be for classic
since alts really arent an option
probs gonna go pally
coral summit
Shammy all the way
formal oak
I'm either doing Mage or rogue but I can't decide. Love both classes to death.
dry wasp
Will be a Priest for sure
woven rock
Alts are definitely an option
Infact when you get your first 60, youll have all the resources you need to make your second character CRAZY easy to level
Pots,flasks,armour,weapons,some gold
thats if
you dont blow all your resources on your main anyway
lime raft
See
woven widget
"If you don't want your main to be raid ready you'll definitely be able to have alts"
You o3o
woven rock
raid ready is pretty subjective
sure theres pre-raid bis but thats almost impossible to get in its entirety
sparing 3 gold and sending some AH greens or armour/weps crafted by yourself isnt expensive
idle kite
I usually save gear and weapons that drop during lvling that i dont use to send to my alt. I had a pala geared to the teeth up until lvl 60 with just boes from random drops from my rogue.
And my rogue was full t2... so i spent about 300g on my pala for skullflame shield and destiny(before i knew it was crap for rep palas)
Ret*
lime raft
3 gold is craaazy expensive
idle kite
Lol.. at 60... neah
lime raft
._.
idle kite
I got my epic mount in a week with farming ore
lime raft
hey does pally still get the warhorse at level 20
idle kite
Thats 1000g
lime raft
in vanilla
idle kite
No, at 40
idle kite
Not sure which is which... but the blue one is free at lvl 40 and the epic one is at 60 with a q chain that costs you about 500-600g
Still cheeper tgen the rest
Even with rep cost reduction, other classes have the epic mount for about 800g
But as i said... gold at 60 is not that hard to get
You will usually use like 100 g per raid run
So.. yeah. Farming will be needed
Or just be uber at the ah
lime raft
Eh
idle kite
I had a guild mate that just stood all day in the if ah.... and he was super rich... tens of thousens of gold
But they are super rare... you need skills to be an ah sniper/trader
woven rock
or just pick up literally any proffession
blacksmithing,leatherworking,enchanting are all really big gold makers
enginnering too but thats mostly for pvpers
lime raft
i wanna play vanilla naow 😠
lime raft
werent paladins actually bad in vanilla?
lime raft
healers...
woven rock
the best dungeon tanks
woven rock
the majority of meele classes used autos for most of their damage yeah
lime raft
._.
woven rock
especially in down time
lime raft
soudns kind of um
woven rock
vanilla isnt a regular mmo
lime raft
o.O
woven rock
its pretty difficult.
any mislip means death
especially if you're a warrior or a paladin
i really dont reccommend playing vanilla wow with no knowledge or preperation beforehand
it'll eat you up and spit you out
woven rock
why do you think it spits you out
lime raft
Oooooooh
woven rock
heh
but really
get a taste for it on a private server, find a class you like
find the race you like
get a name ready
everything
make sure you get a proffession and level it as you level up
it'll help you MASSIVELY
open birch
please,dont encourage playing on private servers here, it''s aganist the TOS
visual summit
Yea, its against the rules and TOS
formal oak
How are they even able to make them if they're like... "Illegal" idk what word to use
lime raft
because its not illegal to host them in certain countrys
grizzled juniper
He got silenced?
lime raft
who did
solemn brook
Altered Ali
For talking a lot about the illegal content and making claims that it was fine
lime raft
oof
maiden river
gg
idle kite
Its not thats illegal to host a private server... its basically an emulator, but blizz needs to protect its ip. Cuz these emulators have bugs, dif types of problems, people might think thats how blizz made it to work, thus hurting potential buyers... so they sue.
solemn brook
no comment on server because I have no clue (I would err on, "illegal"), but it's most definitely illegal to alter the client
and definitely to redistribute it
the ToS says so, and it's a legally binding contract (to the account owner or a legal guardian), so it's fully illegal, not "not that illegal"
shell furnace
Not encouraging private servers, but all you change is the realmlist. You have to edit the realmlist to get the Wowhead uploader to work right on macs. You're not altering the client at all, much less redistributing .
Back to the topic though, only came here because I just heard about us losing the undercity in realcraft so WOO FULL STEAM AHEAD ON OFFICIAL VANILLA SERVERS
lime raft
Full steam ahead? Yea it's gonna be another year lol
green folio
It's not illegal, you jsut break the ToS therefore lose the right to play World of Warcraft.
It's not a criminal offense to break the ToS, therefore not illegal.
solemn brook
of course, I'm not a lawyer, but here is how I see it:
it is a criminal offense. an end user license agreement is a license to use a product. a company can enforce their agreement through the Digital Millenium Copyright Act, since the license is the license under which you are allowed to use the copyrighted (licensed) content (WoW or other Blizzard Services). breaking the DMCA is a criminal act. therefore it is a criminal offense to break the terms you agree to.
copyrighted = licensed in this case because Blizzard has chosen to extend certain rights to you concerning their games and services assuming you follow their license.
i.e. you are allowed to play the game.
the "termination" of the license is simply to indicate you will no longer play. of course your license will be terminated if you "break" it, but that's just because it is impractical for Blizzard to deal with all of these cases as if they were criminal cases. instead they just recover their losses when they get big (look at the lawsuits against bot creators)
faint tapir
Do dwarf pallies get anything special compared to human pallies?
faint tapir
well
uh
i mean what kinds of racials
what kind of racials do they have that human pallies don't
idle kite
For pallys they dont have race specific spells.
faint tapir
oh okay
idle kite
And no one said anything about altering the game client for p servers. Actually, private server staff usually ban people with altered game clients. And an emulator is not illegal, period. Its not blizzs code. And no company will take legal actions for broken tos agreements. That would be the biggest waist of money for really no real profit. Im not pumping p servers up, its just how it is. Blizz is just protecting their ip.
And bot creator are not really sued for tos agreement problems... its for the lose of possible income on blizzs part, by selling bots to their clients, thus hurting their bussines or potential sales, plus account breaches and hacked accounts for those people that buy the bots, thus blizz losing money again to fix those accounts. Again mainly protecting their ip.
Anyway.. that will be soon behind us, parcially at least, when classic is released.
solemn brook
@idle kite to connect to an "emulator", you must modify the client. otherwise the client will connect to the correct official battle.net servers.
idle kite
For now... lets just focus on BFAs prepatch... need to reactivate that sub for the new content.
You need to modify the realmlist to connect to blizzs other region servers as well
Thats that illigal
solemn brook
yes, as long as you connect to blizzard servers you're not breaking the terms
idle kite
Its not code dude
solemn brook
editing the data the client relies on is still editing the client to blizzard. it alters the functionality, regardless of whether it's code or not.
idle kite
Ok... lets just leave it at that.
idle kite
Lol
Tell that to the rest of emulators from the begining of gaming history... see where that gets you.
lime raft
my guy
idle kite
The justification part is ridiculos... people drink coffee... there is no justification to do it.
lime raft
your saying that
idle kite
Same thing....
solemn brook
modifying a client (of any game) to connect to an emulated server is illegal if its not allowed in the ToS.
afaik running the client (of any game) in an emulator is fine as long as it does not enable cheats or etc. that are disallowed.
lime raft
taking someones game and putting it up somewhere else which is pretty much piracy
is fine
idle kite
Im not saying that p servers are good.. im saing that emulation is not illigal
solemn brook
correct. but there's no legal way to connect a real WoW client to an "emulated" (unofficial, "private") server
idle kite
Lol... how are they putting someone else game somewhere else... the server code from emulators are not blizzs code.
Well thats true
But thats true for all emulated games as well
lime raft
how