There's a blue post by Sigma on the EU forums not showing up in the default Blue Tracker page (https://www.wowhead.com/bluetracker), but is showing up in the EU list. The post: https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/17614744166?page=1#post-5
Just something weird
#wowhead-feedback-support
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tawny blade
hm maybe it was cache - I see itnow from the default page as https://www.wowhead.com/bluetracker?topic=17614744166
quaint tinsel
thanks for adding dalaran to http://www.wowhead.com/world-quests/ 😄 😄
tawny blade
np 😃
foggy vector
Hello, I have a question about wowhead profile page. I put a message up on the boards last year and still haven't heard from a fix.Anyone have any updates on this?
half tangle
when i try to use the dressing room i just get a black box that i cant interact with at all
any ideas on fixes ?
teal dragon
@half tangle Make sure hardware acceleration is on, turn off your browser extensions/add-ons, try different browsers, etc. It's almost certainly an issue with one if those.
@foggy vector We're aware secondary stats don't show properly in the spreadsheets, it's just not something we've had the time presently to fix with patches and PTRs being rapid fire but we'll get to it eventually. Thanks for letting us know though!
viscid heart
hi sas, can you create and discord role for mute?
teal dragon
Uh, why?
viscid heart
always helpful if you dont want to directly ban someone, there is some guy lurking in several wow related discord channels who anger everyone
already banned in atleast 3 class related ones
teal dragon
I can't imagine I wouldn't ban someone I felt needed muted.
amber ocean
You can block him if mods don't want to ban him
potent fog
This guy in #retail-wow...
teal dragon
Spaten, I am aware of the person you're speaking of, and the mods can kick/ban if he causes enough of a problem here. As I understand it he hasn't really reached that threshold here yet and we don't ban based on people's behavior on other Discords.
viscid heart
i understand that
teal dragon
And, like I said, if someone needs muted then, imo, they need banned so it seems unnecessary is all.
Seems it's already been taken care of now anyhow, lol. I guess I'll return to my weekend. :D Oh, it's my birthday Monday, I'd like cupcakes if anyone is such obliged 🍰
plucky fractal
Happy early Birthday!
potent fog
Mine is the 31th
I want the same (?)
plucky fractal
Don't think cupcakes are going to be very fresh being shipped from Europe to you
viscid heart
i dont think it will be there till monday and i am not sure if you would eat that after the travel
potent fog
Spaten will make me cupcakes, I know it 😄
-offtopic end-
teal dragon
I heard there are cupcakes in a jar by some company that was on shark tank, could do that. :D
Oh yeah, off topic, I encouraged it. Forgive me Discord Gods.
tame jewel
nite all
rancid veldt
Hello guys. For the Lunar Festival guide (http://www.wowhead.com/lunar-festival-2017-guide), the link for one specific elder's map lightbox is slightly wrong. Elder Darkhorn (CTRL+F npc=15579 in the code) links to /maps?data=1637:524600 which should probably be maps=1637:524600.
warm anchor
Hi guys! If I upgrade to premium, will that keep the website in expanded mode (or wide mode)? 😃
tawny blade
Yeah
warm anchor
Thanks!
tawny blade
Support for recurring Paypal Payments for premium is now live. You can sign up for premium here: http://wowhead.com/premium
scenic panther
well worth it
scenic panther
@tawny blade Dunno if you want to cvoer this bit of fun, but PC Gamer did and teh twitter account is magical!
http://www.pcgamer.com/this-diary-of-a-low-level-orc-brings-the-joy-back-into-wows-early-zones/
tawny blade
Sure, that might be nice to include in a round up for fun
rancid veldt
I'd like to note that the map lightbox for the Orgrimmar Elder still leads to a /maps page, without map and pin.
I've also noticed that Gul'dan's guide (http://www.wowhead.com/guldan-nighthold-raid-strategy-guide#phase-1-the-council-of-elders) probably misses a closing [/li] tag in a section. CTRL+F for [li] in the text to find the relevant code block.
scenic panther
just went to have a look at the new tier 20 gear on Dreanie, got this on when looking for the helmet
I huess the "DK Helm" and "Paladin Helm" options are the tier 20?
warm wedge
again.. https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/5rmlau/wowhead_becoming_too_bloated_1_pageload_requested/
but the site works fine for me (i'm "xergio" in the comments)
potent fog
335ms to load is nothing
It takes less than 1s for me to load and I'm from EU so I guess in the US should be faster hence the server is near
cursive lark
i load relatively fast too. sometimes a stagger every now and then but i think my net is misbehaving
potent fog
Even with uBlock loads fast so idk
pliant hill
does wowhead have any competiton sites?
potent fog
Or a malware or something in his pc
Not really FreemChu
There's sites that also have a WoWDB but the most part uses Wowhead as source XD
pliant hill
there's always some ''warriors'' that like to spread rumors etc
but ive personally never had a problem with the site
i luv it
cursive lark
well
the site isn't problemless
but since that one upgrade to the ad system and the front page and sidebar changes, things have gotten a lot better.
pliant hill
theres always some little problems with programming
cursive lark
i was thinking of more than just the coding part
UX tends to be beyond that (and there's more to consider too)
pliant hill
ive seen some of those coding things for websites and i dont understand any of it xD
haughty canopy
@warm wedge I'm on gfiber... so it's not a bad connection but there is a lot of crap that wowhead attempts to load even with a modified hosts file
potent fog
Which crap are you talking about?
haughty canopy
wowhead's long load times
potent fog
No
You said "there is a lot of crap that wowhead attempts to load"
Which crap?
Give the devs some examples
haughty canopy
http://imgur.com/Gk3149o for the chrome timeline...
looks like a lot of calls to dcmads.js and I do mean A LOT
potent fog
I don't load any of that, even in incognito mode w/out adblock
haughty canopy
fw.adsafeprotected.com/ giberish/giberish/ important part dcmads.js?adsafe_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wowhead.com giberish giberish giberish
then further in that same url... something about cloudfront.net templates calendar zam wowhead and then more giberish
so I'm pretty sure it's a call from wowhead's website that's failing because it's trying to make a call to an external website that the host file is blocking
that's without any use of an adblocking / ublocking extension inside chrome
wow the count now for requests have now shot past 6000+
tawny blade
Hey - we are catching up on the thread. buckwyster we noticed the same issue with scripts you did. That it wasn't adblock related because we'd periodically see high requests even while whitelisting. We were trying to troubleshoot it a bit here: https://www.wowhead.com/forums&topic=259478&p=4026513#p4026480
We couldn't replicate it reliably though which makes us think it's related to a certain type of ad channel, so we're setting more tracking up
teal dragon
@haughty canopy I've also had similar behavior that I've been describing to our team but it's not an "every single time" event on my end. Sometimes I'll have that excessive request load and then other refreshes it's much more reasonable. Can you verify that it's similar for you?
haughty canopy
I'm going to try the troubleshooting tips that Perculia posted then I'll report back...
scenic panther
any ideas about the missing tier 20 parts in the dressing room?
haughty canopy
Oh it can't be as simple as that is it? Ok here's my working theory (aka it needs more testing), scripting on WoWhead is caught in some sort of loop when it can't find an ad to display so it keep sending requests for a while (there's a small internal wait before it attempts again).
Thus DNS blacklisting (i.e. Hosts file modification or blocked DNS address on a router level) can increase requests made by wowhead. Some adblockers are probably using a similar method (blacklisting specific address) instead of catching the script calling for those requests so it just keeps submitting requests over and over again.
Assuming that the script finds the ad to display, it exits out of the loop and no further requests are made (until the next ad refresh cycle is up, if there is one)
tawny blade
Sas has made a longer reply on the Reddit thread on general ad complaints: https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/5rmlau/wowhead_becoming_too_bloated_1_pageload_requested/dd8rr01/
teal dragon
Yes buckwyster, that's the theory... often times that loop reaches into the next ad refresh (90 seconds) making the problem appear even worse if you're staring at it in the console.
viscid heart
do people really believe that?
potent fog
We do, but some "crusaders" well you know
tawny blade
scenic panther
so yeah, PTR dressing room not showing tier 20 pieces, any ideas?
plucky fractal
i have a question, can the profiler be placed onto a website page ?
scenic panther
posting again cos it got drowned out... :)
just went to have a look at the new tier 20 gear on Dreanie, got this on when looking for the helmet
I guess the missing pieces there are the tier 20 parts?
tawny blade
you need to search for '7.2 [class]
like the instructions in http://www.wowhead.com/news=259781/patch-7-2-dressing-room-updated-for-tier-20-armor-sets
scenic panther
yeah thats why I went to the dressing room, thats from the direct link
searching like that I get
tawny blade
right, those are the items
they're placeholders so not done yet
select them and they'll be added
scenic panther
ahh, that answers the question then, cool cheers
scenic panther
damn that new armour looks good on Dreanie
potent fog
Re: Forum
Is there a way to get email notifications or website notifications on the forum and/or wowhead comments (news, items, guides, etc)?
teal dragon
No, it's something we'd like to someday ad but it's not a small endeavour.
potent fog
Gotcha, thanks!
plucky fractal
could you please point me in the right direction to put the profiler onto my website page website page ? so my guild members and myself can use it, thanks for any help
teal dragon
There's no way to embed the profiler on your own website. You'd need to direct them here: http://www.wowhead.com/list
late summit
Is there any other way to update my profile other than bnet and client? Bnet isn't updating my titles, Client doesn't show any titles at all, both of them show me as Hated with Valajar but I'm exalted with all Legion factions
teal dragon
If you're horde it's going to show hated for Vala'jar and Nightfallen.
What is the region/realm/character you're looking at? What is your Wowhead name?
white notch
@opal jewel silly site nit: "Mobility: Monks have fantastic mobility. Just to name a few mobility abilities they have are Roll, Flying Serpent Kick, and Tiger's Lust/" have a "/" instead of a "." on the WW monk page there.
opal jewel
Ty
late summit
@teal dragon NA, Jadekirne-Azralon, wowhead name is Kirne
tawny blade
@scenic panther more of the PTR items should have thumbnail previews now in the dressing room
coral flint
hey idk if this is a good server to include to the Discord Server list here: http://www.wowhead.com/discord-servers
But there's a HealerChat Discord as well
amber ocean
Anyone know if it's possible to enter Vault of Archavon when the enemy controls Wintergrasp?
I can never get in to it because it's always under Alliance control
And it's annoying that I have to actually go there to check who controls it. Can't see it from other zones.
amber ocean
I could have sworn I had #retail-wow selected when I asked then
rancid veldt
The Dalaran map shows the in-game minimap, not the real world map. http://www.wowhead.com/broken-isles-dalaran
plucky fractal
If you click on 'Change floor' in the top right of the map, and select 'Dalaran' it'll display the in-game map @rancid veldt
Not a perfect solution, but until it's looked at it'll help
rancid veldt
nods.
potent fog
Wait, since when are you verified on twitter?
teal dragon
My guess is recently, last I heard it was a headache. 😄
scenic panther
tell me about it... hmmrph
potent fog
Grats on it 😉
tawny blade
Hey - so we've gotten a few guide reports that are just anonymous and along the lines of 'not showing up.' We're not sure what this means, but if you can replicate the behavior let us know. My guess is that some sort of addon is hiding text on Wowhead but I don't have enough specifics to narrow it down further.
amber ocean
Minor thing: On the Love is in the Air guide, under the boss section and Strategy tab, it says "You need to be level 100 to queue up for this encounter." but everything else says level 16
http://www.wowhead.com/love-is-in-the-air-2017-guide#event-boss-strategy
rancid veldt
I'd like to note some things.
-
In the loot and screenshots tab for the holiday boss (http://www.wowhead.com/love-is-in-the-air-2017-guide#boss-apothecary-hummel), mouseovering the big love rocket screenshots reveals some not so intended alt-text?
-
I read that the I Pitied the Fool achievement cannot currently be earned thanks to restrictions on items in PvP battlegrounds (https://redd.it/5snzla). Perhaps you'd like to drop a note somewhere on the guide?
tawny blade
thanks - looks like the rocket modelviewer code was generating weird alt text, so I just removed it. also added a note in the achievement section
rancid veldt
Awesome. Now with the hotfix, people can once more place Love Fools in battlegrounds.
crystal ether
Hello guys. I´m new to discord, how do I join a channel for resto druids?
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On https://www.wowhead.com/discord-servers you'll see a link to the Druid discord channel
crystal ether
thank you
coral flint
Hey so I'd like to give some feedback on the website for all the dropdown menus. Is it possible to make the menus close after maybe 1 second delay or something of the sort?
http://i.imgur.com/vaQVdOP.png
Often I have to try multiple times to go dropdown to dropdown :s
particularly with the artifacts that is, since there's stuff behind it and it tries to immediately select that. :s
tawny blade
will pass it on and see what Jerek says. I think an interim solution for the artifact calc is to go to the class icons - they have the artifact weapon linked there on the first menu you hit
austere hearth
Was just going through the PTR version of the Assassination rogue artifact calc. Seems as though all of the 3/3 talents are actually registering 4/4 as the cap http://imgur.com/a/cKZNC
tawny blade
that's intended behavior, we just made a post on it actually
when you have 35 points or higher, you unlock the ability to have 3/3 traits become 4/4 traits
austere hearth
Ah. Must have missed the post. Not sure how I didn't notice that on the 5 others I did prior to assassin. Sorry!
coral flint
interesting
teal dragon
We're working on a fix for data uploads/screenshots for the site. The site may go up and down during this fix. Thanks for your patience everyone.
runic storm
my guildies are reporting gateway error when trying to access wowhead just FYI @admin
teal dragon
We're aware, there's a post about an hour ago right above yours. Appreciate you looking out though. We hope to have it back up fully soon. 😃
teal dragon
A bug from yesterday needed to get fixed, unfortunately fixing it wasn't as smooth as expected.
scenic panther
yay website maintenance
runic storm
@teal dragon ah ok ty, didn't read previous messages sorry 😄
runic storm
😃
tawny blade
traffic so far has doubled from when maintenance was going on but there are still pockets of players affected, including myself 😦
it's not working on regular chrome but it is working on incognito mode for me
scenic panther
still down on firefox for me
if you need testing, just shout, I'm not calling it a nght for a while yet
potent fog
Good from EU Chrome here, I didn't clear cache nor cookies
coral flint
just real slow for me (Alaska, which connects directly from Seattle)
tawny blade
we're having people actively work on it. Images are obviously a big part of the site and having to rebuild it took a while, and then had some unintended complications
potent fog
Slow tho, probably because of traffic
scenic panther
sites back up for me, EU on Firefox 😃
teal dragon
The site is back up fully for everyone. Thanks for hanging in there, appreciate it! Have a good evening everyone.
scenic panther
wowhead weekly tonight?
teal dragon
I believe it's part of the plan for today Lones, yes, subject to change though. 😄
scenic panther
cool beans
scenic panther
hey guys, any chance, like on the armour set pages, any chance on weapon pages there could be a static pic of weapons/off hands/etc?
tawny blade
if you search for items, there's a 'gallery' tab that does that 😃
scenic panther
yeah, but I mean, on it's actual page, same place as teh armour sets sit
tawny blade
we don't do pictures for individual weapon and armor pages, I think we wouldn't do that to help with page load times
scenic panther
heh there is that
tawny blade
modelviewer button opens a preview up, and usually people submit screenshots if the armor is pretty
scenic panther
yeah, i was just thinking after posting in #transmog, rather than using some of the screenshots, but yeah, teh gallery would do tha too
ponders
tawny blade
you can also save a group of items in the dressing room, and it's saved as an outfit
which generates a screenshots of all the items together
coral flint
hey I'm curious... kinda a dumb question I asked awhile back, is there a way to access Artifact Appearance IDs from the artifact model viewer?
tawny blade
you could probably find it poking around in the code but IDs aren't relaly front-facing
usually on an item page, if you open up the modelviewer, view source, and search for displayID you'll find it
coral flint
Awhile back I made a giant compilation of IDs and wanted to verify they're all correct and get the 7.2 Guardian Druid ones: https://wow.gamepedia.com/ArtifactAppearanceID
scenic panther
ahh, i remember now, the gallery image is crazy small for what I meant, like
tawny blade
stevan could probably give them to you as well
coral flint
I would love to, though if I can just search "appearanceID" that'd be neat too. I'll try that
coral flint
I think I found it. They're stuffed in a massive portion however that can't really be found easily. I used an ID (285) that didn't come up too many times and found a giant block of mostly """""" etc.
but I think I found the challenge artifact skin IDs for guardian druid :p
990, 991, 992, and 993 (since they don't match up on my ID list on wowpedia)
white pawn
having an issue where i have to click on i accept for cookies at bottom of screen several times a day when i have page tabbed in chrome for windows 10 x64. Its getting annoying every time i launch browse or every other time i hit refresh on page. I'm not resetting my install of chrome to see if that fixes it. That breaks to many things i have set up. I will just put up with it unless it gets too annoying and find a way to actively block that msg by scripting it out lol.
potent fog
Re: That message
Is still obligated by law to have it? I thought EU said to take it down
white pawn
i'm canadian so it is doubly annoying since said law does not even apply to me
its probably a bug with my cookies having cooties on this site lol. I am being funny but it could be bad cookie or scripting error on site.
teal dragon
@white pawn It's associated with your cookies so it's likely one of your browser extensions causing an issue. It's not a site wide issue or I'd definitely have more reports about it. I recommend just manually disabling all your extensions and then seeing how that goes, if it stops, then start reenabling each one until you figure out what's causing it.
white pawn
Ok thank you. That makes sense and figuring out which extension is misbehaving will be fun. I know that sounds weird but figuring that out is going to be fun for me. I get to submit a bug report to some extension author hopefully 😃
blazing lance
Has anyone noticed abyssmal RAM consumption (on Chrome) immediately after opening the website?
I just saw a 1.7 GB on a brand new Wowhead tab
It dropped to 1.2 (screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/AJFWsCA.png )after a few minutes, and it seems to have stabilized at a solid 800 MB
I just tried it again - closed the tab, give Chrome a moment to cool down, opened a new tab (which sat at a steady ~30 MB due to extensions), opened Wowhead, and watched the RAM consumption climb to 1.6 GB in a less than a minute...
Both of these tests were with me logged out; I just tried the same thing but while logged in, and everything seems fine - site's sitting at stellar 80 MB
I should say that I have ads disabled from my Premium settings
teal dragon
There's going to be a large difference for someone logged in with Premium as opposed to being logged out and seeing ads. Ad driven sites tend to have a much higher browser utilization since the ads refresh and have several different requests/responses to deal with back and forth. It is possible that you've experiencing one of the loop issues we've been trying to track down the past month or two which theoritically could also be increasing your resource useage. Unfortunately all I can really do is speculate.
I did try to replicate the behavior, just having Chrome open with only Wowhead, and I never got above 120 MB; that's with ads enabled and no extensions running.
scenic panther
took me 8 tabs to replicate that much on firefox
blazing lance
Well, I do run a lot of tabs, but that shouldn't affect Wowhead's memory usage (much?) - and you can see from the screenshot that the others don't go above few hundred, and some of those are pinned tabs that stay open for days, even weeks at a time
Even so, a gigabyte is a truckload of memory
Now, if there is a weird memory leak caused by adds, that's hard to track, I get that
And if there is anything I (as a user) can do to help, I would love to do that
coral flint
Interesting. I only have one tenth of that consumption.
blazing lance
Right? It's not normal
scenic panther
are you premium user? (payign the $1 a month sub?)
blazing lance
Yes - my comments above mention that ("I should say that I have ads disabled from my Premium settings"), plus other details about how I got this
potent fog
1.2GB? Damn...
Are you on Linux @blazing lance ?
I'm getting 45MB of Wowhead new tab
scenic panther
wierd, my bet is that a script on the page ran amuck for a bit
blazing lance
@potent fog Win10
blazing lance
potent fog
rip, any extension or something?
teal dragon
That's just one tab right? How long has it been open? I wonder if it had to do with the video on the page. Mine on that page is hovering at 118K. In fact, all of my tabs are around that much, including Facebook.
blazing lance
This particular case, the tab had been open for a bit
It also crashed literally within seconds of me taking that screenshot
I tried the same page in Incognito mode, by the way, and it was fine
Which leads me to believe it is some interaction between Wowhead and one of my extensions that's breaking memory
teal dragon
That's possible... unfortunately we are aware that leaving a tab open for a long time on our site does sometimes result in the tab crashing. We've been tinkering with ways of reducing the chance of that happening but haven't exactly nailed it yet. It's on our radar though. If you see it climbing try refreshing the page to see if that resets/fixes the memory usage.
blazing lance
I am pretty sure this one crashed because it was eating over 3 gigs of RAM, not because it had been open for an hour 😃
teal dragon
Well, yeah, I just mean the longer it's open the more resource intensive it may become.
blazing lance
Refreshing seems to help a little bit - I had that page up to 1.5 GB (in less than a minute, like in the previous example), and refreshing it brought it down to about a gig
teal dragon
That's still much higher than I've been able to get it without having had it open for > an hour. That is unusual...
blazing lance
Oh, of course
I don't expect you to be able to find me a silver bullet, this will likely require someone to spend a good amount of time looking at code and/or resource allocation dumps
I am just trying to provide as much context as I can (without actually doing the work myself :P) so that whoever does look into this eventually can maybe reproduce the issue more easily
potent fog
Should you try to disable all extensions and enable them one per one?
To check if some of them messes with the website
blazing lance
That's kind of what I was going to do sometime
Since this is not a major problem for me (the issue does go away when I log in), I am only messing with it when I am bored 😃
teal dragon
Hey, if you happen to figure out that a particular extension is causing it, by all means please let me know! I don't expect you to do anything you don't feel like doing though.
pseudo pilot
coral flint
is there a spot on the PTR.wowhead website where I can listen to the new sound files?
teal dragon
Fairly sure it would be http://ptr.wowhead.com/sounds but we don't have a lot of filters for sounds. You could sort by ID, the higher the # the more likely it's recent: http://ptr.wowhead.com/sounds#0-1 | Note: not all sounds are guaranteed to function properly.
coral flint
I just need a used by NPC thing
if that exists
I think I can filter it though if the sound file names exist on the videos
short sigil
How do I paste a table from a word document into a comment on the wowhead site?
agile delta
With formatting? No idea sorry. Maybe save the word file as a web page then copy paste?
shrewd turret
@short sigil I know this is a guide for writing guides, but I think there's a mention on how to make a table on Wowhead. http://www.wowhead.com/guides/help
teal dragon
@blazing lance Just curious, can you see if there's been any improvement since we last spoke?
We seem to have finally gotten rid of a recurring ad that seemed to be causing instability and I'd like to see how that measures up with your particular set up. Edit: May have spoke too soon, the ad has managed to return intermittently.
potent fog
I'm pretty sure it will fix with a refresh but wanted to feedback it
(Afirmative, fix'd)
amber ocean
The undefined thing? I had that happen too a few days ago
teal dragon
Yea that randomly pops up in relation to comment replies sometimes. Never quite figured out what triggers it.
potent fog
So you're aware of it, cool!
teal dragon
Aware, yes, have any plans/ideas to fix? Unfortunately no. If I can't figure out why it happens it's hard to fix.
potent fog
Np, it's easy to deal with (F5 all the way)
teal dragon
I once made ~100 comment replies trying to replicate it and never could.
Then when I was making a real one it came up for no particular reason at all. :\
blazing lance
Spammer confirmed
teal dragon
...but... but Argent, I cleaned it up after I swear it!
coral flint
maybe you gotta downvote first? :p
halcyon sandal
Does anyone know why so many of the sound files for legion bosses like Trilliax don't play?
On wowhead
tawny blade
We're aware of site performance issues going on. I've called the Operations staff and they are taking a look. Hopefully it should be a quick fix
coral flint
^To be fair also on some certain sound files, they exist but they're empty / dummy files
they're usually about 4kb or something
tawny blade
This might be related to our service provider. We're on the phone with them
coral flint
RIP
misty osprey
just tried to access this http://www.wowhead.com/legion-pathfinder-class-mounts And got this. Internal Server Error - Read
The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
Reference #3.100ad817.1487489239.dfe7acf
tawny blade
bruceknee - just posted about this. will make a sticky
misty osprey
ohh sorry i didnt see
tawny blade
Wowhead's service provider is experiencing downtime with 3 datacenters and has no ETA when they will be back up. We have confirmed the issue originates from the service provider and not something we can adjust on our end.
misty osprey
just notice now lol, its sunday for me my brain isnt working today
tawny blade
np, I clarified it a bit
teal dragon
I leave the house for once and look what happens.
coral flint
oh to clarify on my comment earlier about Sound Files possibly "not playing," this is one of them.
http://i.imgur.com/ZVfc4GK.png
The very top doesn't contain any data. It's a blank file. I don't know what it's linked to, but considerieng it's 703, I'd guess the resto druid artifact.
teal dragon
Might not be in the files yet, like the actual sound.
Only speculating though. It's possible something is pointing to one that doesn't exist yet.
coral flint
Unsure. It was some of the files I extracted from my WoW (so it isn't your guys' fault either way)
but I notice it withquite a few
I think it's just either removed dialogue or placeholders
There was another one as well (I can't check atm of course) that was for Lothrius Mooncaller in Suramar, and it was consistent with not playing for both me and the wowhead sound file player. It's possible sometimes that they just simply exist but are blank files
tawny blade
Update: our service provider believes their downtime will continue for roughly 70 min. will update as we know more
coral flint
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/5uxuji/wowhead_recently/
(this post came up in my webhooks on my discord server, thought I'd put it here since it relates to the website)
tawny blade
sorry I didn't reply to that sooner here
thanks for bringing it up, I've been replying 24/7 to posts there. it's been a really demoralizing few days.
tawny blade
I replied specifically to someone who thought it was definitely a target...I want to take pains to say that I do not know
I filed a police report yesterday morning so I am paranoid of speculating or using imprecise words
it was not a good feeling to be reading 'remove wowhead from google' threads while seeing eggs spatter against the window though
scenic panther
Damn, well all the station team are behind you guys all teh ❤ from us
coral flint
I think Blizz is mainly just a company while wowhead is third party, etc.
potent fog
Well yeah but Blizzard' forum are used to difamate, which is a crime
scenic panther
yeah, doesn't really work like that
tawny blade
I have reported defamation threads normally, emailed, and called Blizzard on Friday
I believe they hoped it would die down and then our service provider deciding to die started up the bizarre DDOS thread which took things to a new level
coral flint
their ISP went down I think but I don't think it was from DDoS
potent fog
Ah okay, the issue from this morning
tawny blade
our ISP provider went down
the forums decided someone DDOSed wowhead to teach us a lesson
In doing his usual rounds posting on social media, Sas' posts on the service outage got downvote bombed and a lot of vile replies
potent fog
Magnificient forum xD
You can't do anything if the isp is down, 99% of the times isn't website fault
I feel like official fansites should have a special color or something on the forums... Like one forum account for the fansite which can't be downvoted for example and idk, in purple color
Cuz if Sas have -5000 votes the forum will not show his messages
tawny blade
exactly
and the forum regulars are telling people that any positive or neutral thread is paid by wowhead
to encourage downvoting
scenic panther
if it helps though, there is NO wowhead discussion on EU
tawny blade
and somehow a +5 wowhead thread is offensive but a -100 hate thread is ok
scenic panther
well Blizz needs to do something about it
tawny blade
agreed
I tried to deal with it discreetly
but the ddos thread and the hate sas got was ridiculous
potent fog
At least Reddit is a bit more reasonable... right now
tawny blade
yeah
they have gotten better, even on threads that started off hostile recently since the mods can...highlight wowhead threads
vs buryign the info in downvotes
scenic panther
yeah, this is the level Blizz needs to deal with it, if you say anything Perc, it'll just enflame the situation, no matter how diplomatic you or Sas are
coral flint
I notice all trending /r/wow posts due to webhooks
tawny blade
I feel like I needed to say something so Blizzard would actually do something about it
instead of being surprised when it didn't die down
scenic panther
yup
tawny blade
like I get general discussion is not a huge source of traffic within itself...but any new player unaware of wowhead is just going to find hate when they search for wowhead on blizzard now
plus some forum threads make their way over to reddit
even a cute blizzardCS post on internetfriendsday was 90% hate replies
so I was quiet about it for three months, and now I made a post linking to clear examples of bizarre behavior, and tried not to go into trolling or name calling.
scenic panther
MVP's on there are pretty hated too i notice
tawny blade
well
one MVP keeps saying we did a poor job by responding to the upload issue on Black Friday and not Thanksgiving
coral flint
^I mentioned the webhooks thing (sorry pulled a boss) because that's how I linked that other post earlier. I won't be able to really look at really low-tier posts on reddit for clarifying, but I figure if they're starting to hit trending anyway, then that might be a good opportunity to pop in and comment as wowhead staff, etc.
tawny blade
sorry can you explain webhooks a bit more? I haven't slept much and the first think I think of is the wowhead news webhook
scenic panther
he has the same thing set up for the r/wow/ thing as you have for the wowhead news posts
coral flint
top 10 posts on reddit get posted in a channel of mine on my discord server
tawny blade
ah ok
coral flint
I have a third party program website run a check every 15 minutes and it links it to a webhook in my server to post in a particular channel (which I have as a spam channel)
tawny blade
I thought you meant that wowhead was positive on reddit because people liked the webhook or somehting.
coral flint
oh no no, though that's definitely helped with me noticing new articles for sure >.>
viscid heart
i love the webhook, sadly the shaman discord is the only class discord wich set them up
viscid heart
there is also a shaman in the monk class order hall, that doesnt mean that there is a need for shaman monks.
coral flint
I think the goblin was a monk follower in the garrison but went unnoticed
anyway kind of unrelated... main thing was I notice "hot" posts through that, and the wowhead topic one was one of them (which is why I linked it here)
coral flint
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/5uyxd7/be_careful_with_google_results_woweden/
I know this was pinned awhile back but... ^
scenic panther
and immediately the wowhead haters
is it possible to report full threads like this?
scenic panther
the first post has a link to ask google to blacklist the site, what a Eff'ing troll
tawny blade
yeah....
I'm like...that's both bad petition behavior
and also real life harassment (eg screwing the site over, so I make less money, so I'm in danger of losig my job)
and also trolling because it's untrue? the site is not malware
scenic panther
well I'd hire you 😃
potent fog
Is that what we call "loud minority"?
coral flint
it's definitely a minority considering the traffic wowhead gets
tawny blade
the issue is when new person X goes to the blizzard forums and is like uh I'll google wowhead
and they get EVIL TERRIBLE SITE AVOID
potent fog
Hey Perc I can ensure the site doesn't have malware, I don't have any antivirus or similar on my computer and each 3 month, when I pass tests to check, 0 results everytime lol
tawny blade
and they don't have 10 years of history
potent fog
And I've been doing this for the last 2 years...
tawny blade
or when people google the site and then these threads pop up
or when...the black friday post got stickied, then gets submitted to reddit, then the staff get harassed over the holidays
potent fog
Yeah that sucks, SEO sometimes doesn't help the ones that need help
coral flint
well there's a point to be had, but it's fully obscured by trolling and just blind hatred at this point. There's criticism, and then there's just outright attacking
advertisements are an ongoing battle. Some are real shady, and finding every single one can be a pain. That's why they should be reported and taken down. :/
potent fog
Criticism is always welcome, but "you guys sucks" doesn't help
coral flint
but the website works. I've never gotten viruses. it's very rarely actually broken 100% on me (sometimes it kind of lagged back when the scripts got crazy)
potent fog
Criticism should be "Hey, I'm having issues with ads and I can't even use the website. You should do something about that" or "I don't like X, can be done like Y" or something like that, you all get the point sorry xD
scenic panther
it's near impossible, it's why we've removed them from the station site for now
potent fog
TBH I feel like websites should promote more stuff like patreon instead of ad-revenue -because bad ads = very bad-
coral flint
well that's why I mainly have the wowhead premium. :p
patreon is more for... well... yeah
viscid heart
wasnt that discussion already in the past?
potent fog
I said patreon because it's the most similar stuff to a premium I got first in mind, sorry
scenic panther
it's one people don't get
the REAL problem is google or the advertising supplier for not regulating and monitoring ads on their networks, NOT the people USING the ads
tawny blade
I mean I've tried to explain we have a person that is basically reporting ads to the ad agencies daily
potent fog
I never said that 😦
scenic panther
we had it for a while, even though we only choose gamign related ads, we regularly had dating sites or worse popping up
I would love to use Patreon for wowhead though, I totally agree
and it's certainly helpd the station
tawny blade
and it seems like the loading issue is partially related to us creating a system to prevent annoying ads from loading, but isntead they kind of bang their head against the site behind the scenes
unfortunately I think wowhead is too large scale for patreon
viscid heart
you mean dating and "dating" ads?
scenic panther
I dunno Perc
tawny blade
it would be like when penny arcade did a kickstarter to simply remove an ad from the front people
potent fog
Too large scale?
tawny blade
a lot of people were like, you must be lying, all that money just to remove ads from ONE page??
scenic panther
it's just another form of income management
tawny blade
well we do have premium now
scenic panther
indeed
tawny blade
premium and patreon is a bit muddled
potent fog
ah, sure
tawny blade
and premium allows people to get no ads on other zam sites...like hearthhead
so it would be weird if we had zam-wide premim and then wowhead only patreon
scenic panther
but I mean, rather than use my credit card thorugh the site, if you used patreon, i could do it through my balance on there
for instance
tawny blade
plus wow players got kind of hostile to blizzardwatch about patreon, and even warcraftlogs 😗
potent fog
Oh really? Jesus..
scenic panther
I think e shoudl ignore what they say like that frankly
viscid heart
on warcraftlogs? kihra is a nice person
scenic panther
hell, there are always gonna be players that don't like other players monetising what they are doing and content creating
potent fog
I've a feeling that haters will shush if Wowhead went adfree
scenic panther
they would, but Perc would be out of a job and the site would close
potent fog
I don't have the numbers
scenic panther
no need to have them
it's an irrelevance
from what I understand, the site pays some team, if theres no revenue, that can't happen
potent fog
Well yes but they have premium and twitch, that's why I said I don't have numbers
tawny blade
the site also has to be built to withstand really high traffic spikes for expansions and weekends
the database is very complex to manage, more so than if wowhead was a regular news blog
scenic panther
servers are not cheap
Inter, I would put real money on the advertising pulling in more money than premium and twitch subs
potent fog
I don't wanna bet on it haha, you're probably right
tawny blade
yeah I can't get into numbers but you are right
scenic panther
I only know cos I'm in teh same situation with the station
tawny blade
we would like the premium number to increase over time, because we feel that is a better alternative to like
scenic panther
I pulled website ads recently to test and my revenue has plummeted
tawny blade
50% of users have adblock so 50% now have to see twice as many ads to breka even
scenic panther
of course it is Perc, but unlike you, some people want everything for nothing
tawny blade
or....50% of users have adblock, so we have to set up ad integrity like a bunch of other general sites on the internet, so every user gets to see 1 ad
that makes it thru an ad blocker
scenic panther
even the Adblock devs say it's being used for the wrong thing
tawny blade
so if everyone can chip in $1 and see no ads that is best
we explained how we were looking at the ad integrity route on that mega thread a few weeks ago on reddit
idk some people just want no ads. maybe they think wowhead is an extension of blizzard and they are mad to see ads appear
potent fog
IDC about ads if they're nice and not loud
tawny blade
but it's just like new wave of misinformation
oh also when you visit wowhead from blizzard, there is some sort of ad-supress aura to ensure you don't get a skin ad for something like elder scrolls
potent fog
Oh really? That's amazing hahaha
tawny blade
so it's a bit of a revenue loss from us to avoid another type of community unrest and legal complications for blizzard
coral flint
personally I feel like Blizzard kind of should be supporting you guys (like officially with payment or something) for the guides and such that you guys write. ._.
But that's kind of just my opinion
scenic panther
it's the nasty side of the internet, hell, the political climate is under threat by this nasty internet trend too
potent fog
Or just selling ads to wowhead, like they usually do
scenic panther
hey @tawny blade, would I be pretty right in saying, like the station, if just half your userbase did the $9 a year premium, you'd be pretty solid for a while and able to reduce ads more?
tawny blade
I can't make that sort of statement without running it by bosses
coral flint
(this is on my other browser) http://i.imgur.com/6ysQ5DP.png
potent fog
4, keyboard
footer
tawny blade
the sidebar ad can be two smaller units or one large ad
more flexibility helps us with ad inventory
potent fog
One at top, 2 in the right and one at footer
viscid heart
really, who looks at the footer?
scenic panther
heh
coral flint
it's invisible for some reason for me >.>
tawny blade
Im not the expert on this but we have a full-time staff member that handles ad optimization placement and she has requested the footer ad
viscid heart
maybe as an add that gives mones cause it gets loaded?
scenic panther
it really is a full time job, my techy has lost hair over it
potent fog
Hmm I'm not loading the ads right now...
Like, is taking a lot
Are you having reports on that?
-Incognito mode-
coral flint
yeah that's the same for me
potent fog
47s to a "full load" in the website... weird
scenic panther
isn't incognito a way round ads?
coral flint
though there was an ad I just had that I think was making my browser go berserk a little http://i.imgur.com/6vu3QYi.png
video ad
(no sound)
scenic panther
those I agree are a PITA
coral flint
firefox doesn't deal well with videos as far as I know
scenic panther
it does, but I have the plugin turned off
coral flint
problem is when the videos have no compression accounted for their size
so they play the equivalent ofo 1080p or 720 when really they're like 144p
potent fog
54s for a "full load" in normal mode loged off and w/out adblock... weird because all looked loaded but the tab was loading
scenic panther
when you set up ads, you choose what type, size, etc
coral flint
most ad companies don't care about people they advertise to
scenic panther
then ads are loaded to your site as and when the site is loaded, the site owner really has no decision until the ads are there
coral flint
"well the video works on my computer at a full gigabit connection, what's the problem?"
scenic panther
google seem to do the best job, but they still have crappy ads
coral flint
google also is a bit... different. They also sell information to companies so that they can make money off them when they advertise
scenic panther
yup
although they do sign up to Adblocks Ethical Ad program, meaning, unless the user turns on full block, ethical ads will be shown, even with adblock
coral flint
If only there were a way you could pay a WoW token for premium membership on wowhead...
scenic panther
wow, I think that conversation in #retail-wow says it all really
coral flint
I wonder if there'd ever be some way to be able to talk to Blizzard and arrange some sort of bnet balance conversion to premium sub for wowhead (and zam for that matter). O.o
tawny blade
I mean that would be awesome
but Blizzard is a separate company and they are busy with all of their PTRs and such
scenic panther
oh of course, but hell, dropping you a little advertising fee compared to their marketting budget would be a drop in their ocean
but yeah, I rarely have trouble with wowhead, but I also have firefox set to stop pop ups and not open new windows
and I currenlty have 9 tabs open 😄
I have got to stop reading through this reddit thread, it makes me more angry about how stupid people are
FWIW @tawny blade and the team, you all do a great job, and Damn perc, you're a better person than me for being calm on Reddit 😄
coral flint
I try to understand where they're coming from. I of all people in this server probably complain the most about having Alaska internet lol
If I had the knowledge to help better, I would, but unfortunately I know very little of any of the coding needed that would requiring "fixing" problems.
viscid heart
knowing the problem is 95% of fixing the problem.
tawny blade
we think we've made progress knowing the 'bad ad suprresser' is instead causing things to reload
coral flint
Having 5 megabits of download, and the before and after of getting premium for load times was fairly noticeable. (And that video ad for lenscrafters hurt* my Firefox browser but I never use firefox)
scenic panther
actualy Perc, do you have prices for advertising space?
coral flint
It's usually frustrating when most websites in the world don't really account for other bandwidth levels. So people like me get their internet obliterated when something like a video starts playing somewhere, not to mention additional resources to play it, etc. I really appreciate the work you guys do, don't get me wrong lol. I'm just speaking as to why I feel I can sometimes relate to the people so angry with wowhead
scenic panther
how does the station do on that front KB?
coral flint
I barely notice much of anything on yours actually. The radio itself is usually pretty good too, occasionally it drops though but that could be a number of reasons. Some things you simply can't change too much like that though.
scenic panther
aye, its why we have the high and low quality streams, but then teh station isn't a blip in the size of wowhead
coral flint
Problems come when there are things like massive image backgrounds, videos autoplaying (at full quality with only SD and HD settings, both of which may consume all bandwidth), etc.
Then there's simply poorly designed things like for example the Tumblr mobile app
Or things loading images 3 or 4 screens down
scenic panther
wow... just eff'ing wow
potent fog
Just let him down
scenic panther
it also makes me laugh they compare wowhead to someone like MMO-Champ, who also links to wowhead, cos damn, that cross over bumps wowhead even more
potent fog
Perc, is what happened to me https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/5uxuji/wowhead_recently/ddy2th1/
The page load perfectly... but doesn't stop to "loading"after a while
potent fog
On firefox right?
scenic panther
actually, hold on, that may be premium
potent fog
let me see in premium...
scenic panther
yeah, let me check on chrome, my accounts not logged in on there
potent fog
yep, with premium loads faster than a F1 car
scenic panther
ok, yeah i can see why people are crying there
on chrome (no account log in, no adblock, etc) the SITE loaded in 2 seconds, then it carried on loading other stuff in teh background
viscid heart
thats the add problem
potent fog
mhm, exactly Lone
scenic panther
for info, it's STILL loading right now
WOW... it reloaded teh page for different ads
that top ad is also ridiculous
potent fog
Yep, is very big
viscid heart
just gocompare
scenic panther
it also breaks the advert size too
which ads aren't meant to do
yeah, @tawny blade you DO have a problem here, I'm not reloading this myself...
same page
the ads are reloading the page themselves
and again
tawny blade
I'm tryig to deal with a hate mob
scenic panther
I'll get a gif of it happening
potent fog
Isn't reloading for me, I thought a bad ad tho
scenic panther
it is teh ads doing it
potent fog
nvm, it just reload
scenic panther
I'll grab a gif of it happening and drop it over to the feedback email with a fullr eport 😃
it happened for you too?
tawny blade
I think all this behavior is in lie with what Sas has been reporting
potent fog
yeah, just after I wrote it xD I will try to feedback it too
scenic panther
yeah I think so Perc 😃
if he knows tehn fair enough, I'll just drop him the info and try and help 😃
sorry to upset you, thats the last thing I want to do
scenic panther
Perc you relaly should take a break matey
serene quest
dang, just read your reddit post. can't believe someone egged your house. people are awful sometimes
tawny blade
again I don't know if it's related. but it's sad it's come to me wondering if it is
scenic panther
irrelevant if it is or not, it shouldn't happen
and remember, it's just a few idiots, everyone here luvs ya, you do an awesome job
tawny blade
thanks ❤
scenic panther
no worries,
tawny blade
it's just disconcerting, I've been doing this for 5-6 years and it just feels way more vicious
and I have put up with a lot of bizarre things
scenic panther
aye, I knwo the feels, same boat 😃 you'rs is just a yacht compard to my peddello 😛
but seems you also need a break too, you sound exhausted
misty osprey
sound like its time to hire an assistant to take some of the work load off your shoulders
scenic panther
or Unleash the Panser?
misty osprey
remember wowhead only this baby of a website 5-6 years ago and has now grown to be so big
scenic panther
(probbaly not THAT bad yet I bet)
tawny blade
we do have a lot of people, we restructured news leading up to legion
the problem is beign like 'oh god I can't go to sleep because if I don't reply to reddit, people will paint this hateful stereotype of what I do, and i'll have even more work when I wake up'
responding to these constant rage threads takes up a LOT of time
and I was happy to do public-facing things on wowhead, and have faced some challenging things
scenic panther
Advice from Dragon, who is wise on all things, Sleep, Reddit will still be there in the morning (unfortunately)
misty osprey
panser does a great job on the video content side but im talking about someone to put up with reading all the hate mail thats too personal to do witht he site itself
tawny blade
but it is really perplexing that the usual things I am doing are just fueling more hate now. vs in the past where it felt like progress
we do have sas148 for that
it gets to him too sometimes, like yesterday
his job is 100% feedback. He had to take a break yesterday after people were being ridiculous to him in the DDOS thread
misty osprey
hmmm sometimes it helps to just walk away and have a scream
scenic panther
Rare photo of Sas btw...
https://d36tnp772eyphs.cloudfront.net/blogs/1/2015/05/bouncer-tattoos-security.jpg
tawny blade
hehe
misty osprey
omg someone you dont wana bump into in a dark allay
scenic panther
yeah, i bet you could do with a bunch of flowers or something nice huh?
misty osprey
perc you're doing a great job
plucky fractal
Surprised none of this hate makes it to the Discord server knocks on wood
misty osprey
dont let them get to you
scenic panther
don't jinx it Cal
tawny blade
we had an amazing cooking stream on thursday, so much positivity, and it had crazy traffic on facebook
my twitter is generally nice
facebook was appreciative of the site outage posts yesterday
scenic panther
yeah sorry I missed it, but was streaming too
potent fog
Calael, they don't come here because they know you're here to avoid nonsense hate 😉 They hate on reddit and wow forums because they feel safe and they know no one will touch their account
misty osprey
hoping but maybe someday that will change
scenic panther
lets all chip in $1 and Sas can go get Perc a massive bunch of flowers from us all to show the haters are the minority huh?
misty osprey
its almost bording on emotional abuse on an electronic level
tawny blade
like I go post about random things like 'this paladin mount is cool' and people are just like BUT I HEARD ABOUT MALWARE
misty osprey
one day ppl will be held accountable for that
tawny blade
like why all the hate replying to this https://twitter.com/BlizzardCS/status/831330391281762304
scenic panther
people are cheap
scenic panther
yup, brb too, talkover
potent fog
The problem aren't the ads anymore but the "You use malware" bs
Until this die you'll have hate ^^"
(Fixing the long loads and some other stuff would help tho, for sure)
tawny blade
yeah, and we've been posting about it, at least we know what is causing it now
and we started doing some things like if you're a power user on the site for hours, you won't get bizarre ads in the middle of the night
scenic panther
so what sort of flowers you like Perc?
tawny blade
I like lilacs, snapdragons, wildflowers but not like....bright colors. like pinks and purples. I guess a pale sunset lol
scenic panther
cool
dense perch
Okay so I've been trying to catch up on all this and re: The ads, I DID have them blocked a while back because they were doing pop ups and things that took my screen over. I know you guys were working very hard to keep those ones from turning up, and since I can't afford the premium membership right now, I'll whitelist the site. It's really all I can do to support you but you definitely should have the support I can give
scenic panther
Steph, I'll give you the $9 for it
dense perch
Waaaaaaaaaa really?
mortal timber
Thank you Wowhead for being so great! #WithoutWowhead
teal dragon
Thank you @mortal timber
teal dragon
We were talking about this quite awhile ago up above... not that I expect you to go find it or anything. We think those might just be placeholders, there's no actual file associated with them which is why they don't work. It's kind of like Blizzard writing a map to a destination that either doesn't exist yet or was cancelled.
rancid veldt
Could they be tagged as empty file?
Regarding the ads. What's the difference betwen those on Wowhead and the ones used on other sites?
scenic panther
nothing
I've had bad ads like people are complaining about on three of my four websites
rancid veldt
I'm tempted to go down the network track and figure it out.
potent fog
Wowhead use google ads, same with many websites.
coral flint
Easiest way to test the sounds if they work is to use the Link near the top of the sound page for each sound and link them in game (should be a macro like /script PlaySoundKit(####) or something)
The other way would be /script PlaySoundFile("Sound\Creature\Trilliax\SOUND_FILE_NAME.ogg")
(That is assuming the file name of Trilliax is indeed Trilliax and not like ThreeHeadBoss)
/run instead of /script works too I believe?
If the sound is blank in game and on wowhead, then file is blank. If they play in game and not on wowhead, the wowhead file is broken (maybe datamined "too early"?)
Also if there are multiple sound files of the same type (like Spell_ManaRupture_Trilliax_Cast has 4 sound files) you have to put _01.ogg, _02.ogg, _03.ogg, and so on accordingly to the sound file numbers.
rancid veldt
Monkeybroker is the advertising provider?
marsh ravine
if your seeing monkeybroker you've got an adware infection
rancid veldt
Hmm. How is that so?
tawny blade
monkeybroker is an advertising provider. it is not an infection
marsh ravine
ok fair enough
ah it was also the name given to something that did the rounds last summer
rancid veldt
Googled it. They only seem to share the name.
tawny blade
oh wow
actually that could explain some of why people think all of wowhead's ads are bad
rancid veldt
Possibly. I only picked up on MonkeyBroker's name years ago, and recently checking the network connections while loading the frontpage of Wowhead.
I tried to google for the provider itself.
rancid veldt
Other one of what? :)
I guess ZAM decides on the advertising provider?
I should probably ask - are these sensitive topics? I mean, I dig around in stuff that are probably company secrets.
tawny blade
monkeybroker is a normal advertising provider. it is unfortunate there was an adware program someone created with the same name
rancid veldt
Yup, it's pretty unfortunate coincidence.
tawny blade
I'm just tired of explaining tiny details about ads. I could go on about other WoW websites that regularly advertise gold sellers and buying gear on their front page
potent fog
Dur dur dur but those gold sellers aren't malware dur dur dur
^
I can see that comin'
tawny blade
we report more ads to our providers than most other sites, we changed the site layout to have fewer ads, the site needs money to meet server costs and be a self-sustaining busines
not sure why people think the site has some evil plan to roll in unneeded cash, or debate that the staff should be paid. especially with the rise of streamer culture/donating directly towards personalities you like
I'm also fed up answering questions on holidays. Outside of holidays, 'community' members have gone out of their way to be assholes on my birthday and christmas
so I'm not interested in having different segments of the playerbase try to sabotage all of my days off
cursive lark
If it makes you feel any better, it's the part of the community that is generally loathed and most sane, civil individuals wish they weren't a part of any community at all.
scenic panther
it's comments like that that are not helping @marsh ravine
tawny blade
one was a site owner of a well-known site who emailed me saying that they had a bad interaction with a blizzard employee at blizzcon and it reflected badly on wowhead
...a blizzcon 4 years ago
scenic panther
wow
tawny blade
then like 10 paragraphs of other untrue things like denying badly-cited information from wowhead when I had screenshots
don't like people profiting off of my work and then mocking me
hardy bloom
yeah thats different
tawny blade
got fed up replying, just took pictures of everything and saved it
scenic panther
best way
tawny blade
wasn't going to get anywhere reasoning with them
also hutchi I don't think your particular reply was bad and it helped alert me to the actual monkeybroker adware
it's just a general sense of like
the community at large seems volatile and IF I take off or don't reply asap, it will blow up further with misconceptions
such as...black friday and ads
scenic panther
it is volatile, but they all are, look at STEAM
marsh ravine
yeah i didnt know it was also legit ad company name ... i shoulda googles first :S
tawny blade
it just sucks that we are a regular site and we have to deal with major-corporation level PR
scenic panther
yeah, but I mean in the Early Access/Greenlight area, if a dev screws up, it can kill the game completely
tawny blade
with a smaller staff/budget
scenic panther
in a way though, I do envy it a little, it shouldn't happen, but I wish my business was bigger, does that make sense?
tawny blade
it does, but we're kind of in a lull for wow, so it feels like the extra effort is not paying off in the short-term for views
scenic panther
yeah I getya
tawny blade
and, we've been able to run the site pretty well without volatile PR...until now-ish
scenic panther
BUT, a wise business man once said, if you get hate, you're actulaly doing something right
has it died down a little today?
tawny blade
yes, but I've honestly been dealing with 'wowhead is all malware' on a weekly basis
scenic panther
I know, but we know it'snot, Blizz knows it's not and as happened on twitter, the team have a lot of support 😃
cursive lark
have you tried tagging the people making those posts? It could just be the same guys. It happens very often on political subreddits.
People stirring up the same message to push in the direction of a specific narrative.
tawny blade
yes, it's been the case on general discussion forums
they formally announced on friday that they were on a campaign to boycott/get wowhead removed
and i'd been noticing trends for a while of the same posters, including MVPs, showing up with misinformation
scenic panther
the MVP's are the real worry there
tawny blade
on reddit it feels like it's more random, but people like karma and having funny one-liner replies, so people pile up
like someone is like 'haha woweden is a better version of wowhead!' and they're the top upvoted comment there
on a thread talking about how woweden hijacked wowhead's search results
have not seen that user before, but they were funny, so now other people that want karma will think of fun mean thigs to say
cursive lark
That sounds like the database comments, but at least those are more innocuous.
tawny blade
I also reported someone to the mods that relinked the 'get wowhead removed from google' report link...when I checked 12 hours later that still wasn't removed
tawny blade
ah it's not that it's like
the search result says it is wowhead
with a woweden.com link
scenic panther
woweden?
tawny blade
but you click on it and go to amazon
potent fog
yeah yeah, i remember the stuff
scenic panther
yeah thats dodgy as hell
potent fog
Oh... that's different
rancid veldt
Impersonation.
tawny blade
it also fuels the idea that wowhead is givign people full-page redirects to random places
rancid veldt
Is it a bad time to provide you with links to reading material? Such as perhaps: https://blog.sucuri.net/2017/01/injection-unwanted-google-adsense-ads.html
Perhaps not relevant, perhaps it is, but I'd like to help out.
tawny blade
we aren't running google adsense ads
rancid veldt
blinks
potent fog
Oh?
Nvm, I missread yesterday
tawny blade
I stated before monkeybroker was the advertising provider.
we're also not injecting people with unwanted ads
rancid veldt
I don't want to imply that. :) Not my intention.
tawny blade
ok, yeah just the title in that preview was like 'hackers like to hide things!' which sounds really sketchy and is not something on the site
rancid veldt
nods
scenic panther
yeah google haven't helped themselves with terminology, mainly cos the people trying to use them don't understand it, let alone the end user
tawny blade
I did send over the Adware Monkeybroker blogs I found to my boss, who is trying to do something about it
scenic panther
besides pull his hair out?
tawny blade
I think he'd like to talk to the ad company and see if they are aware of this, and if any of their other large website clients have had to deal with this
potent fog
If there's anything we [users] can do please tell us Perc
viscid heart
getting torches and burn reddit?
scenic panther
well, besides subscribe to Premium 😄
cursive lark
just fill the noise with constructive conversation
nothing more amusing than watching narrative get derailed by intelligence
rancid veldt
There's a guy whose hotslogs website is also experiencing shady ads - is he on the same network (ZAM)?
He also uses the monkeybroker ad provider.
Perhaps you could connect with him.
potent fog
Hotlogs isn't from ZAM
tawny blade
it could be related, but I think the main issue is
there will always be unwanted ads that slip through on any site
we are regularly taking steps to reduce them, but we cannot promise users that one day bad ads will not exist
rancid veldt
I only noticed that reddit thread through a google search for "mb.zam.com/mb/History"
tawny blade
like that example is for a spam website. most of the complaints here are about slow loading times
scenic panther
it ANNOYS me teh amount of misinformation in that reddit thread about that, websites DON'T have control over the ads until they have appeared on their site, all they generally have control over is size and placement and what general (and rarely followed) genre's of ads you want on your site
rancid veldt
Ah, right, the loading is a separate issue.
tawny blade
also look at his reply
"I made significant ad network changes on Jan 6th, and this is the first complaint I've had since then.
Looking through the comments in this thread, it looks like most of the people here have not actually experienced this issue, and are just jumping on the train
Do we really need to get out the pitchforks?
"
rancid veldt
Someone should make an infographic with relations. :P
scenic panther
oh it's certainly a hype train
potent fog
keylsior - Today at 7:53 PM
I only noticed that reddit thread through a google search for "mb.zam.com/mb/History"
I got a ZAM [good] ad when browsing hotslogs, should be that
tawny blade
I guess I don't really see the purpose of goign 'look, this site had a bad ad a week ago'
rancid veldt
Ah, no, my intention was to suggest getting the two of you in touch.
tawny blade
the whole internet should be in touch then
rancid veldt
Yup. Not really feasible, though. :p
tawny blade
ALL ad providers have unwanted ads slip through
scenic panther
yup
I only have gaming chosen for my ads, but we still had a full page pop up for dating sites happen
if the advertisers miss categorise their ads by accident, or even on purpose, theres not much the ad carrier can do UNTIL it's noticed
teal dragon
Even when noticed getting it removed/updated is like pulling out teeth.
scenic panther
yup
potent fog
I reported a viagra ad yesterday, was a bit akward xD
scenic panther
worse still is when advertisers blatantly break teh size limits you set for your ad space, like that one I saw yesterday, not only is it annoying for teh site user, but on mine, it would break the site layout completely too
oh Viagra is the worst, it's so hard to keep it down
potent fog
Even with !important CSS they surpass the size limits?
rancid veldt
I noticed the connection with this hotslogs.com site when I saw the owner of the site respond in a reddit thread linking to mb.zam.com/mb/History, which suggested they were on the same network, or at least using the same provider.
In an update thread from the owner people imply that MonkeyBroker is a not reputable ad provider. As they don't really filter/control the quality of their ads.
Both threads were from about 6 months ago.
teal dragon
Lol @Lonesamurai puns
scenic panther
😉
teal dragon
People say that about any ad provider that isn't Google. Even though Google can have bad ads as well.
scenic panther
I use google
rancid veldt
Ah, I thoughts ads on other sites weren't usually that bad as people report bad Wowhead ads to be. My view is probably skewed.
scenic panther
nope, just as bad, some are worse
I own 4 websites, I manage another 18, yeah they can be bad
rancid veldt
@scenic panther Is it usual for those website ads to generate XHR requests?
scenic panther
again, thats down to teh advertisers, sometimes malicious, and unknown until they pop up and get reported
but blaming the website when it's never their fault, unless they don't set clear guidelines for ads, which I know wowhead does
the only time it's down to teh website is when you see static ads, usually round the edge of the main site, that looks like the background
rancid veldt
Ah, I don't mean to blame Wowhead. I'm more interested in the nature/technicality of ads.
scenic panther
ok, ad companies are purely a middle man, they get space on your site, usually with set size limits, then advertisers bid to use that space
here you go, Bidvertiser is a very typical ad company, it's all here: http://www.bidvertiser.com/bdv/BidVertiser/bdv_publisher.dbm
I've used them before and a few sites I manage still do
iron reef
I block all ads equally
scenic panther
then you're actually part of the problem
rancid veldt
Thanks for the link. I'm trying to take a look at monkeybroker's website, but it won't load for me.
tawny blade
I think you're digging too much into this and losing sight of larger details
all ad providers are roughly the same
they will all have unwanted ads slip through
you are more aware of bad ads on wowhead vs like...a large cooking site...because your'e part of the wow community
and people who play wow are more tech-savvy than other non-gaming communities
scenic panther
aye, Percs correct, I just gave other examples to show they are all the same 😃
rancid veldt
That's a good point.
tawny blade
wowhead does not get tailored ads unique to wowhead, and geographic regions get different ads
monkeybroker sends their ads out to hundreds of sites - they all have the same ads as wowhead
and we have changed ad networks a few times in the last five years
so if people are like 'they've been bad for a while' - well that's proof that networks are all roughly acting the same
if nobody noticed the difference...switching networks is a huge pain, nobody does it lightly
rancid veldt
Uh-huh. Ad networks are the same as ad providers?
scenic panther
same thing, different name
scenic panther
I hope I've helped, now I have to get ready for my show, cya later Perc 😃
iron reef
Hence why I block em all if they're all equally bad
scenic panther
again, thats part of the problem
tawny blade
yeah, that is a surefire way to ensure all sites on the internet don't exist 😃
scenic panther
but hey ho, thats the mindset of a torrent pirate, they're a small minority and one whose voice, liek those that don't vote but cry about government, means very little
tawny blade
unless I guess if you have a wealthy backer and do not need to be self-supporting
which wowhead is
tawny blade
later, thanks for the ad explanation help
scenic panther
no worries, any time
doffs cap, grabs cane
teal dragon
👍
scenic panther
*points Perc to #no-wow-discussion *
potent fog
@teal dragon, reporting bad ads in wowhead is enough?
Or need to do something more?
Been using the Report Ad utility
teal dragon
Feedback -> Bad Advertisement is best. Report Ad in a pinch.
teal dragon
Just a brief description of what was bad. The feedback system provides recently displayed ad data automatically.
potent fog
Aaaalllright, thanks !
teal dragon
Of course, thank you!
willow plume
Hya folks.....I just downloaded teh Wowhead client...have issue....No extension on Dowbload (ie .exe) so windows will not install it, but also windows does not recognize it as a known file.
Highlighted file is what downloaded from wowhead at URL: http://www.wowhead.com/client
potent fog
I got a zip, with the propper program.
Do you have extensions related to downloads? I think I'm seeing 2 installed on your screenshot
willow plume
I downloaded twice
potent fog
willow plume
The light green one on teh right is a thrid party program for mass downloading....only active when physicaly activated
amber ocean
The file size looks right, so something probably renamed the file. Rename it to whatever.zip
willow plume
A third possability is that the page never finishes loading....and teh adds never seem to fully appear.....and yes i have made an exemption for Wowhead in my ad blocker
amber ocean
Ads shouldn't have anything to do with it. The link looks like it points directly to the file.
potent fog
Not related.
amber ocean
potent fog
I can download a propper zip even loged off and with ads
amber ocean
Yea it works fine for me with or without ads on both firefox and chrome
potent fog
The "Loading continues 'til the neverending land" issue is something they already know
Is good to feedback it tho
willow plume
Labeling to .zip worked....many thnaks.....I am using Chrome (Hate it) , but somethign should be looked into nontheless, as how many folks will not bother to seek technical assistance to help out wowhead....either it downloads and gets installed, or will not be used....
Thanks again
amber ocean
Honestly I think it's likely your browser. Have you tried it with a different one, such as firefox? Or in chrome with extensions disabled?
potent fog
I'm pretty sure it's actually something related to your numerous extensions tbh
scenic panther
bloody hell thats a lot of "extensions"
teal dragon
Ad Block being used is what leads to the $ download. Renaming it to wowhead_client.zip resolves the issue. If you're not using an adblocker it should download properly.
I recognize this may have already been discussed just summerizing.
scenic panther
what about premium users?
potent fog
We have a "different" website than normal users and adblockers, also no problem wih downloads
teal dragon
Right, adblocker or not as premium the download should be unaffected.
potent fog
And by "different" I mean that:
class="default-layout home has-premium premium-logo locale-0 no-ads will-have-zul-bar news has-zul-bar"
teal dragon
-nod-
scenic panther
cool, need to reinstall the client
willow plume
I think more is being read into, or not ead than necessary.....Yes I use an add Blocker...BUT this add blocker has an exemption for Wowhead and Zam pages.....Yes I use a third partyy download agent, BUT this i snot used for standard downloads, it is used for large file transfers (Ie. FTP), so I am nor using this as a "third Party" application. I love firefox, but since they started compartmentalizing addons, Firefox does not work properly on my older system. I have no addons that should re-write any pre or post affix to any file......If the wowhead download is detecting that I have an add blocker, but is not detecting that an expemption is being made for the Wowhead and Zam URL's that is not somethign that I can address on my end......
Since we are on teh subject.....This continual Cookies Notification is also driving me insame....I click accept and teh next time I vist page, It is there again...
Additional issue.....Wowhjead , as of recent, no longer keeps me logged in, so when I log in using teh Battle net account I am redirected to my page with all my toons, and not redirected to teh page I originaly landed on
.
So there is my current coplaint list.....These issue are recnt in teh last month or so.....if that helps
potent fog
Have you tried w/out extensions?
The login issue
I think er... @blazing lance ? Has the same problem with cookies
willow plume
I just disabled all addons, and tried teh download again....Issue remains....Download files remains to be a "$" symbol
potent fog
Then I have no idea. @teal dragon is the indicated to talk
amber ocean
Just for giggles I installed ABP on my chrome and it does indeed modify the download url. It's the extensions doing, not Wowhead's
willow plume
did you add an exemption for the wowhead site???
amber ocean
It works fine if I whitelist wowhead.com
willow plume
Not fo rme....and as you can see in teh earlier image.....teh adds are loading so there is an exemption
amber ocean
Ok, but it's still the extension's fault, not Wowhead's
The extension is giving you the modified url
scenic panther
just downloaded the client via chrome (no addons, no adblock, no account, so no premium) worked fine
amber ocean
Actually I might be wrong about the url. It looks like it is a url provided by wowhead, but then a script maybe changes it to the normal url
willow plume
My poor browser.....never gets any love 😛
I will see if it is one of teh other addons....donna have many but ya never know.,...willl report back
coral flint
"For the past 10 years, we've operated on the premise that the most important digital metric is the click that refers a person to a website. That click usually comes from a social distribution channel, like Facebook or Twitter, or a search engine, like Google or Bing. But according to industry experts, the click referral is becoming an idea of the past, soon to be replaced by content exposure. [...] Most publishers have designed their websites to measure user interaction through clicks, not scroll rates or time spent on stories. As the industry moves away from click-through rates (CTR's) as the most meaningful marketing metric, those publishers will have a difficult time justifying the effectiveness of their platforms for marketers."
teal dragon
We focus on time spent on page as well, plus numerious other metrics, not just CTR.
scenic panther
but you havea full goblin team in your basement right Sas?
coral flint
lol
teal dragon
Is that in reference to my/our supposed brigade?
Edit: I'm terrible and spell things wrong.
scenic panther
nope, your basement of goblins, whats supposid?
teal dragon
"Presumed to be true, but without proof."
scenic panther
stop using proper english against the tired englishman
coral flint
Supposed? :P
scenic panther
wait, did he typo?
teal dragon
Either/or would work.
scenic panther
he gets flogged for typoes right/
teal dragon
No typos. They're both words.
scenic panther
checks dictionary
coral flint
I've never heard of Supposid :p
teal dragon
cries in shame.
scenic panther
Perc will be displeased
teal dragon
oh pfft she has her share as well 😄
scenic panther
pah, we all know she gets it right first time
don't cast aspersions
so ANYWAY back on topic... do you use tools for site heat maps?
teal dragon
Frankly I'm not sure what we're allowed to divulge. :\ It's not really my department either.
scenic panther
don't know if there are many tools for that
coral flint
I just mainly found it interesting. I never thought of people moving on to reporting statistics on heat maps / interaction time vs. simply clicks, etc.
It makes sense that people would of course. But seems weird because I see ad companies mainly promote number of clicks
coral flint
I'm curious where in particular (on wowhead) they're having trouble with the website. I don't use wowhead much on my phone, but I don't have many problems with it. I will say, using the desktop version on a phone is absolutely atrocious, but that's because I'm using the wrong version. 😛
amber ocean
I never tried wowhead on mobile until now, but I don't see a problem
If I'm playing WoW, I'm already on a computer, with a browser
coral flint
usually same, though in the mornings and at night, I'll be on Discord and sometimes see an article that I click on my phone
and I never used IV on mobile so I can't comment on that
amber ocean
Looking at IV, I don't see an issue there either. They must be loading the desktop version for some reason?
coral flint
one of the mods of IV commented asking what it was and the OP responded with tapping links I think
amber ocean
I guess the only thing is tooltip dont really work on mobile
coral flint
the tooltips of items were showing off the side of the screen (apparently)
but that's for IV
amber ocean
Yea I see that right now
amber ocean
I guess that could be improved, load a modal/inline-popup instead of using the mouseover tooltips
coral flint
I have my own issue with IV that I want to actually address to them sometime, but here isn't the place to discuss it :p
amber ocean
They have a discord 😛 It wasnt very active when I was in it though
Most of my participation was just directing people to class discords when invite links expired
coral flint
(this is how wowhead handles links, which is pretty nice actually)
amber ocean
I can't get them to appear on mine, just goes to the page
Oh wait now it worked on one of them
From news it shows the tooltip for a second and then continues on to the page anyway
On a database page, such as an item page, it stays on the page with the tooltip still showing as it should
coral flint
all the links on wowhead mobile that have tooltips should imo work exactly like item links do, where it "previews", then you can tap the link button for it to proceed
amber ocean
IV links go to wowdb. Wowdb doesn't have mobile layout lol
nocturne ether
not sure if this person would have reported or would have more details
nocturne ether
That'd be my guess but it's a potential PR problem they might want to go address
amber ocean
Possiblly
I'm looking at the mobile site with ads and not seeing anything bad so far
coral flint
not much that can be done besides commenting and saying woweden is impersonating wowhead and maliciously sending people off to other places
teal dragon
There's no way that we could even help that person if they don't reach out properly.. even then, it's been so many hours and they didn't provide any information at all that would help us figure anything out. :\
Despite everything this weekend I haven't received any reports of "porn" thankfully... not to say they couldn't have seen it but it's a bit weird to say it happened because of Wowhead but I hadn't even gone to Wowhead yet.
Honestly my bet is the link they clicked was one of the Woweden ones that we've warned people about.
coral flint
they did specifically say "it didn't load wowhead yet" or something. that sounds like a redirect from woweden
dense perch
Man, getting an inside track on what it is you guys deal with every day makes me appreciate your efforts even more
teal dragon
@nocturne ether Do you have a direct link? I'll send them a message but I can't find the post.
coral flint
I've been keeping a slightly closer watch on it as of late myself, seeing what people post, etc.
teal dragon
Keeping up with the # of mediums is ridiculously tedious.
It's not on the main WoW FB page that I can see. I'm guessing one of the many FB groups.
coral flint
it's hard to keep track of FB stuff imo
teal dragon
It's hard on a lot of really but FB is harder, yea... especially with Closed Groups
tawny blade
VraulJawrip 11 points 4 hours ago
This is why I like IV over the, uh... ahem... other site.
Very attentive and wanting to improve the right way.
man it's like I reply to things from 4am to noon on a sunday and fanboys want to shit
teal dragon
sighs.
dense perch
I noticed that comment and it made my blood boil. =|
tawny blade
one of these days I will post some of the bizarre emails their owners sent me
they also do weird things like edit out wowhead mentions in blizzard reblogs or change the wording to imply blizzard recommended their posts insted
but hey, wowhead is the unprofessional site
dense perch
IV does that?
coral flint
O.o
tawny blade
tbf mmoc started it first, which they have a partnership with
but yes, it's one of the several things I keep track of when I see their new posts
their news site doesn't have a ton of momentum, but I believe you should apply quality standards across the board to a site
dense perch
... well forget them, then.
I admit I check their guides sometimes to compare and contrast but if they're pulling crap like that they don't deserve my views/clicks/etc
tawny blade
I wasn't even aware of that at the time. imagine if I replied to someone's complaint like that lol, instant reddit thread
teal dragon
I found t he Kyla girl up above @nocturne ether and sent her a FB message, up to her if she looks at the Message Requests. I've done all I can on that front.
amber ocean
Reminds me of back when I published my mods to Nexusmods. They acted like other mod sites didn't exist and wouldn't let me link to anything externally, even Bethesda forums.
tawny blade
I guess everyone is different and I don't want this to sound gossipy. I document a lot of behavior before saying something even semi-public like here. It's not a topic I super-want to dwell on in a channel on how to troubleshoot bugs on wowhead, but I'm happy to continue discussing it privately
teal dragon
I was surprised you even brought it up actually 😄 She's that private 😄