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Father/father figure =/= 'Daddy'

I don't even know what that means
yeah kata theres varied level of enemies in the zones
to kinda soft wall you away from roaming to areas not meant to go to
for the level
Swapping between XIV and WoW keeps throwing me off the fact that WoW mobs won't ignore you if you're behind them like XIV ones do
what level is the quest
honestly if you're gonna name him handsome stranger you should actually make him handsome?
some people like him
The Burn [Hard]
for his looks
oof

has kata met urianger yet
was it an elf with a covered face
Oh you're not gonna like Urianger
there were like meteors
and a hood
and a big crystal
Urianger speaks in Ye Olde English
ah yes, the old plot
hydaelyn also speaks in old
now that i think about it
I think I'm just gonna skip it if it has voice acting

because these voices are gratingly bad
why do most of the primals speak in old english
I mean

you can mute
the voice acted ones are the important ones
Also 100% mute when you meet Alphinaud
kata please dont just skip cutscenes

ARR Alphinaud is insufferable
yeah skipping cutscenes is like you may as well not play the game
yeah you'll not understand any of the plot
Yeah I said ARR alphinaud had punchable energy and jhock got mad at me
Sam Riegel voices Alphie until HW and he sounds like a spoiled little prat
and uh
all I want to do is be an adventurer and go out on adventures, so far it's been 90% paperwork, 10% adventure
also every time this stupid hand over system pops up my eye twitches
you can right click the box where you have to put the item and theres a drop down menu to put the item in
yeah
I mean it's still a pain
or in my case, rightclick leftclick done
why can't it be like wow where it's just y'know implied you are capable of handing over items?
because not everything needs to be like wow
god bless alisaie though, there for 5 minutes in ARR msq, leads a raid, and then disappears and is promoted to best character in the game
I'm comparing it to wow cause it's mostly what I play
but wildstar and tera weren't this annoying from what I remember
Stop comparing it with WoW
just let it be
or if you want to compare to wow compare it to the mess that was Classic
ARR literally has influences from mists of pandaria
thats a game I wanted to get back in
alright so
Aren't they going to like make a big time skip again?
ff14 isnt a real mmo
yeah i tried back when i thought being a sith was cool cause i was edgy
sith are cool so you're not wrong

swtor? dont think so but the most recent campaign confused a lot of people
ok
campaign, I meant xpac
so I have another complaint
but this one isn't small
this is actually something that seriously bugs me
Ho boy, surprisingly
WHY IS THERE A SEPARATE BAG FOR ARMOR
I get it, it's neat
Why not?
because you can be every class at once
but I keep forgetting to equip armor
I honestly prefer it to--
means you have more bag space for things
because I can't remember how to open the damn armor bag
You can't blame the game because being dumb
so your bags would be packed with gear for all the classes
kata, d'you know you have a 'equip recommended items' button
it's so unintuitive
literally press thearmor you want
it will open the armory automatically
or
Equip recommended items
what button is that?
oh heck Thulm is playing XIV
this button, got it
Be careful because that only searches armor inventory, so if that gets full and it starts sending new gear items to your regular bags, it won't work
I think
yeah it ignores gear in the inventory
Ye

Im manipulating it with the numpad
Also get rid of the 'weathered' accessories
The combat's fun, minus the obnoxiously long GCD.
Just fuckin throw them away
Oh hey i can now officially empty my armory chest of ironworks/shire/scaevan
Oh trust me Kata
the gcd aint so bad at higher levels
at cap the long gcd becomes a bless
GC dump, Emu?
weave what in?
Because you have freestyling people tend to octa weave
abilities
I have 2 abilities and a CD
OGCD abilities

Paladin opener at 80 be like
off gcd abilities
You obviously get them later Kata
honestly, it feels like the game is designed entirely with max level in mind and you're expected to just get there?
You mean like WoW?

like, you just have to deal with it
I never had that issue
if you're blanking out the story, sure
wow entirely is, why do you think theyre making the leveling process even faster
cause it aint the actual game
i think low level story got more fun quicker for me cause hat child became a meme
WoW's story will never fucking make any sense again when SL leveling rework drops
Local Kata tries to say stuff about designing in max level
At least XIV gives you a more than coherent story
[Gone Wrong]
what does this mean???
Inventory
Local they clowns on leveling design while forgetting other game is the exact same
thats the inventory
It's your inventory
thats inventory yeah
why
Why not?

because?
Leftmost bars are your gear slots, the rest is your bags
would you rather bag icons that give you no indication to how much bag space yo uhave
like wow 
Rookie
mak
I guess it's not so bad
hmm
fourth is stuff to sell
progger
Oh yo though if kata thinks combat is good we might be able to make a pld that doesn't fucking press clemency out of them
lord I have a friend like that
It's shit
No no Mak
TF YOU MEAN SHIT
Oh lord
CLEMENCY IS 50K
a PLD that literally uses it every other gcd
This is gonna be another hellfrog medium discussion isn't it
combat is decent
they lose like 10 HP, better use clemency
I know someone that does
Kata, quickfire. One self heal, or a functioning damage rotation?
I use it on my healers
this quest
and its awful as a healer
kek which one
i don't remember this is this uldah shit
...
Kata you noob
mkay
Y'all would hate to see Ris' bags lol
mate
i've said for the thousandth time I found it boring at the start too lmao
Hmm lemme check mine, its been awhile
it took me a couple tries
going around talking from person to person
for hours on end
isn't fun
it's fine if it interrupts the combat adventure
but the combat adventure interrupts the fucking walking
pray return to the waking sands 
I feel like I'm playing a god damn walking simulator
it's not fun
so I'm gonna go do something that is fun
at this point I'm pretty sure the waking sands and the hildibrand questline would be the absolute rock bottom of narrative discourse for kata
I'd have to log back in
Just do it
one sec
I will tell you that you were in a sidequest
AHAAAAA a fucking auto attack mitigation check for 2/3rds of my max health
Because he isnt papashan
idk why susano just autoattack waving a sword in my direction is more threatening than the clash mechanic
huh that is the msq
limsa boys just fuckin
*** G O ***
anyone here into guilty gear?
they just dropped trailers for 2 new strive characters
is guilty gear where you ninja loot eden's verse gear?
psh
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remember the black guy from strive's reveal trailer?
no
its nagoriyuki emu
that hasn't appeared since?
you idiot
When strive was announced it looked like mad ass and I sleep
it takes less time
it still looks like mad ass
ok
dev interviews have made me really not excited for it
Alright then that's your loss Kata, not gonna force you to play it if you don't want
i just play May so
EXCEPT I DID
You did not.
i don't like what they did to may
Unrelated but I love how the abbrev for kata's rampart bind looks like spicy
Nor me
You literally pussied out from it because "Oh i have to walk"
AND LETTERS
where are my dolphin shenanigans
they're just projectiles now
Like ?
yep
I WANT TO ACTUALLY GO ON AN ADVENTURE AND KILL SHIT
Are you really legit?
While I hate oki i miss that shit
my jam
It's okay, really
I'm gonna wade through the fucking mud to get to the gold prize
You won't get the feeling of beating the Ultima Weapon for the first time
And feeling like an hero
but it looks like great yamada is still her ult so I guess I still get fucked into screwing the input for command grab wallsplat ult
All because you can't get to walk your way from level 1
this just feels like a chore
And WoW doesnt?
no, because I get to actually go on an adventure
Sure
with a story that feels like it moves along
this feels like a fucking snail's pace
THE GAME THAT LITERALLY MOVES BACK FROM CATA TO BC/WOTLK
while i don't play FG that much nailing that one and then inputting ult really fucked me
ehh at least it's not AC potemkin buster
well, as a true combo that is
AT LEAST I DON'T SPEND HOURS WALKING AROUND DELIVERING PAPERWORK
that shit's really finnicky
NOT ACTUALLY DOING ANYTHING
never played potemkin so cant comment
sure there's paperwork delivery in wow
NO BUT YOU ACTUALLY GO FROM GOLDSHIRE TO STORMWIND AND BACKWARDS
but that's an intermission
i played a lot of may and kinda dabbled with ram a bit
Kata, youre literally in the very beginning of the story
if you don't press each of the diagonals exactly right you get 6p
Yikes
stuff picks up once you get past level 10
why do I have to wait to get there?
It's sad, really that you got out from the game at an early game
Why do you talk like that when you play WoW? The game where the endgame is a chore itself
it's that age old defense "oh the show gets good later"
I mean potemkin buster in strive does absolutely fuckass levels of damage
The game where only the first ten levels becomes good and then it goes down
so why should I bother?
I wish lmao
I have to watch the bad episodes to get to the good stuff?
I'll just go watch something actually enjoyable
anyway ima watch this trailer then sleep it's 3am
something I know I like
because this? this is not enjoyable
early hours of ff14 really didn't sell me on the game

and all of you keep trying to invalidate my complaints
...
telling me that's the status quo
Because they are invalid
You are literally Asmongold trying to find something bad to talk about a game that doesn't know
Trying to compare it to WoW
When it's bad on the other side
true
Your first complain is

mate, the gameplay that I am experiencing isn't fun
"The UI is bad"
regardless of any comparisons to wow
I'm not
"Worse than WoW" when the UI of FFXIV is the cleanest of all the MMOs around
Second complain
It looked ugly to me
and its customizable at base
it actually bothered me
you can't customize the aesthetic
you don't seem to understand how much I loathe pretentiousness
Stop living in your small bubble, people talked like this, and in the game they will talk like that since it's fantasy, old fantasy with a bit of steampunk
Steampunk at the higher areas and darker themes at lvl 30 job quests
Third complain
yeah, cause I'm walking around with my little sword, in an area that's just like a medieval town, and this fucking dude in an exoskeleton walks up and just one shots the entire area of stuff I'm fighting
that pulls me right the fuck out of the game
"Why do I have to walk around doing these things to become and adventurer" Because no one starts like an adventurer, WoW decides to skip it, everyone does it, FFXIV decided to not. And that is a bit of a move.
Ah
But there is actually a reason
taht you, however, don't know
You don't know why Garlemard is more advanced technologically
"magitech" is the answer I've been given
yeah the "technology" is shown later
Because we don't want to spoil?
Maybe you are forgetting that we are treating you like a new player instead of going "Ah it's because that country and bla bla bla"
this is a story heavy game, so its hard to go into detail without spoiling stuff that the game will tell you later
see, but here's the thing, it feels wrong when that happens
Its a final fantasy game first, and an mmo second
^
in other games a high level character comes along and they've got cool armor and spells
but that all fits
but a mech doesnt?
it's just cool armour, that's like yours, but better
In here the armor is different because of the raid thematics
no, because nothing about the world so far has even slightly shown the idea of there being these crazy mechs running around in this medieval fantasy world
BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T ADVANCED IN THE STORY
BECAUSE YPU HAVENT GOTTEN THERE YET
"i havent played the story and the story doesnt make sense to me wtf shitty story shitty game"

There is a reason why the Magitek armor is part of the mounts
A big story reason
maggie best girl btw
See, I know nothing about final fantasy
ok?
you dont need to know anything
independent
its a standalone game
every final fantasy game is standalone
so to me, when I play a medieval fantasy game I don't expect flying mecha
unlike wow you don't need to read the books alone
it will when you get there
but it doesn't feel cohesive
thats not the games fault that you see a player with a thing they got later in the game
If it was medieval fantasy even I'd be "why is this a thing"
but the game is just
high fantasy
Like
for every mount there is a reason to be
The magitek armor? You salvaged it in a lvl 40 quest
The car? blame Noctis for being in the first
wait there are cars?
theres a car
A half-horse-man
like
from a crossover event with ff15
That's...bad memory's fault
a full on diesel engine?
we dont know
sorry not diesel
celerium
internal combustion
celery fuel
magic petrol, got it
now, we dont know how accurate the car is for 14 specifcally, since its an event item and comes from 15
but it is there
Yeah
oh and it can fly
Like
but still
everything in the game is explained in the same expac---
Well no
Not in the same expac...
Wait
if you dont play the game and not try to learn the story
in swtor
who's name I've forgotten
what they look like
were Ardbert and his friends introduced and explained about in the same expac?
and they have this incredibly advanced technology
NOW THIS IS WHAT I CALL
HW
POD RACING
that's got all these colorful lights
they're like, super secluded
but they need out help
it's an event every once in awhile
ok
and the thing is yeah? this super advanced tech looks strange
but it doesn't look out of place
it still feels thematically consistent
Because Star Wars?
it really does though? perhaps it's just me but people in mechs and exoskeletons walking down cobbled streets with marble buildings just does not look right
Just wait until you meet the allagans
Kata
Its all that you havent seen the world
if you logged into wow and saw a fucking fel steel ahnillator it would look out of place m8
You can't have mounts in U;dah
they explain it
I'm not sure I agree, because the actual tech still looks right
it looks like it's made out of real metal
The armor looks
the gree
kata
Up to you
this is what they look like
It's heavy spoiler moment
if you just fucking logged into the human starting zone
this is what their gear looks like
YEAH
So when I saw the mounts from FFXIV i was like
I see that and I'm like "oh yes me likey"
"mine"
see this looks thematically consistent
That looks from the First not gonna lie
oh hey the pvp mount I want
But it requires a beard for the lalafel
because lalafels aren't mecanonerds
They aren't gnomes
this looks like something that could easily exist in the universe

but magitek armor doesnt?
Ah that's why
You need to meet Garlond Ironworks
Since they are the ones that created a futuristic airship
AZYS LLIA
kata
so what was the one that you didnt agree with
no see
that looks like it was made by actual blacksmiths
KATA
?????????????
YOU JUST SAID THAT YOU THINK MAGITEK ARMOR BELONGS TO FFXIV
thats literally what you were fucking complaining about m8
this is lore friendly too
????
I'm not complaining about those, they actually look right
to me, having seen it now that I looked it up, the machinist mech is pushing it
so these?
how
kata you cant say what does and doesnt fit in the universe without knowing the universe

you say mechs fit, BUT NOT THAT ONE
but it also looks like it was still made by people
I
that's my point
Yes but its a thing
how do you feel about this kata?
Yes yes its not an actually man made mech
Also Alexander is a god
they look fine
or this?
Ah!
ohmygod
but not like, an old timey gundam with propellers
ohhhhhmyyyyygoooddd
whatsthename
katakuri please
but, I can't remember exactly what they looked like
Marc no
I have no clue what this all is
and when I passed by the giant crystal
Limsa Lominsa
there was a dude who looked like he was wearing gundam armor
don't remember exactly what it looked like

A dude that was wearing a gundam armor
but it looked scifi
oh yes
not steampunk
I wonder if they mean the
late allagan armor
this kata?
that yes
where it looks like scifi plastic
thats pvp gear
the genji armor
That one is horrible and pvp gear
that took me out completely
it's like I was reading this nice fantasy story and then a stormtrooper showed up
ok what about this
that's too much yeah
that looks sci fi
which, if the game becomes scifi later I guess I don't mind
it just looks jarring
when all you do is play the game
i literally do not care about spoilers
oh heres all the armors from that set
y'all are making a big fuss over nothing
the "scifi" is like the dwarves from elder scrolls
Allagan is old
Like very old
They were the reason of why the world got fucked once
very advanced but from ancient race
And they were evil
i can see that
ancient race, super high tech
but the problem is the aesthetic of the game, as far as I can tell, does not line up
like draenei and such
it will later on
Yeah Allagan doesn't really add up until you learn it
On a sidestory too for Crystal Tower raids
And for bahaboy
...
hell the endgame currencies are mainly computer chips
in design
Aren't they cellphones?
yep
Because you can use them if you have the app
kata you seem pretty biased towards wow in your points
the tomephone

theres the money
NO
But yeah
You learn about every race
Like
Miqo'te started to appear after the 4th calamity
And their ratio of male to female are low
Females are more in number than males
And the motherfucker rpers think it's okay to make gay Tias
This is how you sent a race to their extinction
also viera are only female because the males stay secluded from society
and are extremely territorial
hrothgar women barely exist
theres supposedly a queen
These things are silly.
There is supposed to be a Queen around
no idea how they will make the queen appear
Just imagine
Queen appears and
Female Hrothgar and Male Viera apepar
see, the combination of the levelling not being fun so far, and the things I've heard about t he community and group content, just make me not want to play the game.
appear
maybe I'll give it another go sometime
There is only a few % of the community that is shitty
Hopefully, This leads to greater appreciation of Yukes.
I reccomend doing it
Tho I don't think they're in any of the FF14 layers yet
After the trial is extended
try it later when the ARR experience gets reworked
wtf is yukes
But yukes have it figured out.
wtf is that
but it's just not fun right now
extremely bored in post ARR
and the constant "just keep at it, you'll get there" is doing nothing but pissing me off if I'm honest
its simple
Yeah
Like
5 levels
Look
I felt like that at the beggining
I felt it very slow
I eventually quit it for a bit at level 20
Then came back, reached cap of trial and got it
Then I quit leveling after 50
And spend like
2 months trying to get a move for post ARR
I won't say this because you hate it but
You are in the worst part of the game, sadly
I know
how do I unlock machinist? because that seems more my aesthetic
there's no group for arneas? :I
You need to reach Heavenward content (lvl 50 and proceed with MSQ)
ok so for Machinist you have to start the heavensward expansion
which i doubt youll ever get to
And actually have it
Then you do the quest
and start blasting
It's a fun class
Like
no rng at all
I love machinist
Dancer and Bard have a bit of rng
Its the class that drew me to the game tbh
no joke
those two have a shit ton of rng
Eh i would suggest
Starting now
If you reach 30
dont buy it yet
Wait unti Aug 11
when the free trial extends to Heavenward
this feels like the kind of game where swtor's model would work damn well
which is?
free to play, but the game kinda sucks
sub, or spend any money at all, access to the rest
sub for late game content
Well
thats the current f2p version
the free trial and
its about to not be bad
the full
what are the differences?
Ah juist not being able to get a house I think?
no fc
i think
yet
Total Eclipse is an aoe
you dont have the full class yet
no like
classes upgrade at level 30
I'm looking at the spellbook
next thing I get is shield bash
then iron will
no clue wtf enmity is
it's just a pretentious word for hostility
what's pretentious about the word threat?
what's pretentious about the word enmity?
when have you ever said "wow, that dude has some serious enmity"?
compared to "he looks threatening"?
just call it aggro
if you generate threat
that means you are more threatening
so it makes sense that the enemy would attack the most threatening person
To put a barrier between two things. Not allowing two like things to have contact. Intercourse would not be possible if a prophalactic ( enmity) were used. a crude example but very clear
You are the barrier
The paladin
THE UNSTOPABLE FORCE
oshitwaittherecomesthetankbuster
see, this is an example of "why use many words when few do just as good?"
"Confiteor"
"they do this, heres the potency"
that's another thing
oh hey its cooler blade of justice
what is unaspected damage?
see, me having played other things
magic that isnt tied to a specific element
thinks that damage aspects equate to types
wait then why not just say magic damage?
because 14 grammer
this game reads less like it was translated
and more like it was put through a translator
Yeah ARR's writing and acting was... interesting








