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wary gate
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also this enemy is level 12

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I am level 6

heady solstice
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well

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i said he was a daddy metaphorically and literally

spice thistle
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RUN

spring heath
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Father/father figure =/= 'Daddy'

heady solstice
spring heath
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I don't even know what that means

spring burrow
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yeah kata theres varied level of enemies in the zones

heady solstice
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well i was using the word daddy for the joke

spring burrow
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to kinda soft wall you away from roaming to areas not meant to go to

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for the level

wary gate
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no this is the main quest

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with the "handsome" stranger

spring heath
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Swapping between XIV and WoW keeps throwing me off the fact that WoW mobs won't ignore you if you're behind them like XIV ones do

spring burrow
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what level is the quest

wary gate
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honestly if you're gonna name him handsome stranger you should actually make him handsome?

spring burrow
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some people like him

spring heath
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The Burn [Hard]

spring burrow
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for his looks

spice thistle
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oof

heady solstice
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alright so

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kata is now blocked for saying that

wary gate
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ooh a cuscene that's all fancy

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they said hath, skip

heady solstice
lost plinth
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has kata met urianger yet

spring burrow
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was it an elf with a covered face

spring heath
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Oh you're not gonna like Urianger

wary gate
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there were like meteors

spring burrow
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and a hood

wary gate
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and a big crystal

spring heath
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Urianger speaks in Ye Olde English

spring burrow
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ah yes, the old plot

lost plinth
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hydaelyn also speaks in old

heady solstice
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now that i think about it

wary gate
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I think I'm just gonna skip it if it has voice acting

lost plinth
wary gate
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because these voices are gratingly bad

heady solstice
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why do most of the primals speak in old english

lost plinth
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I mean

heady solstice
spring heath
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you can mute

lost plinth
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ARR voice acting does kinda suck

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that or you could switch it to jp

heady solstice
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the voice acted ones are the important ones

spring heath
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Also 100% mute when you meet Alphinaud

spring burrow
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kata please dont just skip cutscenes

heady solstice
wary gate
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no one say proffer

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nobody talks like this

heady solstice
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but

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its a fantasy game

spring heath
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ARR Alphinaud is insufferable

lost plinth
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yeah skipping cutscenes is like you may as well not play the game

spring burrow
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yeah you'll not understand any of the plot

lost plinth
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Yeah I said ARR alphinaud had punchable energy and jhock got mad at me

spring heath
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Sam Riegel voices Alphie until HW and he sounds like a spoiled little prat

heady solstice
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and uh

wary gate
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all I want to do is be an adventurer and go out on adventures, so far it's been 90% paperwork, 10% adventure

heady solstice
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yugiri's voice actor fucking died

spring burrow
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kata, this game is story over everything else

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its rpg first, mmo second

wary gate
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also every time this stupid hand over system pops up my eye twitches

spring burrow
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you can right click the box where you have to put the item and theres a drop down menu to put the item in

spring heath
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yeah

wary gate
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yeah see

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that's annoying

spring heath
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I mean it's still a pain

lost plinth
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or in my case, rightclick leftclick done

wary gate
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why can't it be like wow where it's just y'know implied you are capable of handing over items?

heady solstice
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you

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keep

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comparing

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it

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to

spring burrow
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because not everything needs to be like wow

heady solstice
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wow

lost plinth
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god bless alisaie though, there for 5 minutes in ARR msq, leads a raid, and then disappears and is promoted to best character in the game

wary gate
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I'm comparing it to wow cause it's mostly what I play

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but wildstar and tera weren't this annoying from what I remember

heady solstice
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if you keep comparing it to wow you wont have fun with the game

spice thistle
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Stop comparing it with WoW

lost plinth
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just let it be

spice thistle
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or if you want to compare to wow compare it to the mess that was Classic

wary gate
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I played classic

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even it assumed your character was already competent

lost plinth
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ARR literally has influences from mists of pandaria

wary gate
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swtor was literally a rehash of mop

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and I didn't complain about most stuff in that

spring burrow
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thats a game I wanted to get back in

heady solstice
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alright so

spice thistle
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Aren't they going to like make a big time skip again?

heady solstice
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ff14 isnt a real mmo

lost plinth
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yeah i tried back when i thought being a sith was cool cause i was edgy

heady solstice
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its a mostly rpg

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with multiplayer

wary gate
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sith are cool so you're not wrong

heady solstice
spring burrow
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swtor? dont think so but the most recent campaign confused a lot of people

wary gate
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ok

spring burrow
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campaign, I meant xpac

wary gate
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so I have another complaint

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but this one isn't small

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this is actually something that seriously bugs me

spice thistle
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Ho boy, surprisingly

wary gate
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WHY IS THERE A SEPARATE BAG FOR ARMOR

spice thistle
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Let's hear it

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Becaus

wary gate
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I get it, it's neat

spice thistle
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Why not?

spring burrow
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because you can be every class at once

wary gate
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but I keep forgetting to equip armor

spice thistle
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I honestly prefer it to--

lost plinth
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means you have more bag space for things

wary gate
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because I can't remember how to open the damn armor bag

spice thistle
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You can't blame the game because being dumb

spring burrow
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so your bags would be packed with gear for all the classes

spice thistle
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...

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Kata

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You can

lost plinth
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kata, d'you know you have a 'equip recommended items' button

wary gate
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it's so unintuitive

spice thistle
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literally press thearmor you want

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it will open the armory automatically

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or

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Equip recommended items

wary gate
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what button is that?

spring burrow
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oh heck Thulm is playing XIV

lost plinth
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Above your portrait on character menu thing

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Blue stickfigure

wary gate
lost plinth
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Be careful because that only searches armor inventory, so if that gets full and it starts sending new gear items to your regular bags, it won't work

spice thistle
lost plinth
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I think

heady solstice
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mak

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is that

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a controller arrow?

spring burrow
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yeah it ignores gear in the inventory

spice thistle
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Ye

heady solstice
spice thistle
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Im manipulating it with the numpad

heady solstice
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oh

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good

spice thistle
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I try to keep my armor bag

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Empty

spring heath
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Also get rid of the 'weathered' accessories

wary gate
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The combat's fun, minus the obnoxiously long GCD.

spring heath
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Just fuckin throw them away

lost plinth
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Oh hey i can now officially empty my armory chest of ironworks/shire/scaevan

spice thistle
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Oh trust me Kata

spring burrow
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the gcd aint so bad at higher levels

spice thistle
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at cap the long gcd becomes a bless

spring heath
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GC dump, Emu?

heady solstice
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the gcd is long because you're supposed to weave things in

wary gate
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weave what in?

spice thistle
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Because you have freestyling people tend to octa weave

heady solstice
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abilities

wary gate
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I have 2 abilities and a CD

spice thistle
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OGCD abilities

heady solstice
lost plinth
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Paladin opener at 80 be like

spring burrow
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off gcd abilities

heady solstice
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well yes

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no fucking shit

spring heath
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You obviously get them later Kata

heady solstice
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you're level 4

wary gate
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honestly, it feels like the game is designed entirely with max level in mind and you're expected to just get there?

spring heath
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You mean like WoW?

heady solstice
wary gate
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like, you just have to deal with it

spring burrow
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I never had that issue

spice thistle
lost plinth
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if you're blanking out the story, sure

heady solstice
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how is wow not designed with max level entirely in mind?

spring burrow
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wow entirely is, why do you think theyre making the leveling process even faster

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cause it aint the actual game

lost plinth
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i think low level story got more fun quicker for me cause hat child became a meme

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WoW's story will never fucking make any sense again when SL leveling rework drops

spice thistle
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Local Kata tries to say stuff about designing in max level

lost plinth
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At least XIV gives you a more than coherent story

spice thistle
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[Gone Wrong]

wary gate
spice thistle
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Inventory

heady solstice
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Local they clowns on leveling design while forgetting other game is the exact same

spring burrow
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thats the inventory

lost plinth
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It's your inventory

heady solstice
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thats inventory yeah

wary gate
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why

spice thistle
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Why not?

heady solstice
spring burrow
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because?

lost plinth
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Leftmost bars are your gear slots, the rest is your bags

spring burrow
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would you rather bag icons that give you no indication to how much bag space yo uhave

lost plinth
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like wow luldog

spice thistle
heady solstice
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mak

wary gate
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I guess it's not so bad

heady solstice
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fucking empty your inventory

lost plinth
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My bags are great tbh

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My first page is stuff I need and need to see

lost plinth
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so food and materia

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second is books and fishing things

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third is crafted things

heady solstice
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hmm

lost plinth
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fourth is stuff to sell

heady solstice
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i dont know how to feel about that video

spice thistle
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My fourth is

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EDEN STUFF

spring burrow
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progger

lost plinth
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Oh yo though if kata thinks combat is good we might be able to make a pld that doesn't fucking press clemency out of them

spice thistle
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EI WHAT'S WRONG WITH CLEMENCY

spring burrow
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lord I have a friend like that

lost plinth
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It's shit

spring burrow
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No no Mak

heady solstice
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mak

spice thistle
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TF YOU MEAN SHIT

lost plinth
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Oh lord

spice thistle
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CLEMENCY IS 50K

spring burrow
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a PLD that literally uses it every other gcd

lost plinth
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This is gonna be another hellfrog medium discussion isn't it

wary gate
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combat is decent

spring burrow
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they lose like 10 HP, better use clemency

spice thistle
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Ah

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I don't use clemency of myself

spring burrow
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I know someone that does

lost plinth
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Kata, quickfire. One self heal, or a functioning damage rotation?

spice thistle
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I use it on my healers

wary gate
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this quest

spring burrow
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and its awful as a healer

wary gate
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this main story quest

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is to be a waiter

spice thistle
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kek which one

wary gate
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i don't care

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im done

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this is boring

lost plinth
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i don't remember this is this uldah shit

spring burrow
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...

spice thistle
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Kata you noob

lost plinth
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mkay

spring heath
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Y'all would hate to see Ris' bags lol

wary gate
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mate

lost plinth
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i've said for the thousandth time I found it boring at the start too lmao

spring burrow
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Hmm lemme check mine, its been awhile

lost plinth
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it took me a couple tries

wary gate
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going around talking from person to person

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for hours on end

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isn't fun

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it's fine if it interrupts the combat adventure

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but the combat adventure interrupts the fucking walking

lost plinth
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pray return to the waking sands luldog

wary gate
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I feel like I'm playing a god damn walking simulator

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it's not fun

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so I'm gonna go do something that is fun

spice thistle
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And that's WoW too

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so

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I don't know what are you complaining about

lost plinth
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at this point I'm pretty sure the waking sands and the hildibrand questline would be the absolute rock bottom of narrative discourse for kata

spice thistle
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God Hildibrand

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If Kata spoke shit about that

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Ohh I'd actually be mad

lost plinth
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I mean not only is it talking

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It's silly

spice thistle
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Kata

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I will ask this once

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Screenshot of your screen

lost plinth
wary gate
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I'd have to log back in

spice thistle
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Just do it

wary gate
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one sec

spice thistle
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I will tell you that you were in a sidequest

lost plinth
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fucking susano

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i'd hate to do that at ilvl

heady solstice
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why is papa johns such fucking garbage?

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god

lost plinth
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AHAAAAA a fucking auto attack mitigation check for 2/3rds of my max health

spice thistle
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Because he isnt papashan

heady solstice
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the cheese is actual plastic and the sauce is too sweet

wary gate
lost plinth
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idk why susano just autoattack waving a sword in my direction is more threatening than the clash mechanic

spring burrow
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huh that is the msq

lost plinth
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oh huh that is actually msq

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uldah shit luldog

heady solstice
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imagine

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playing uldah jobs

lost plinth
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gridania bois don't gotta do that shit

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we just

heady solstice
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limsa boys just fuckin

lost plinth
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stare at trees

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hype shit

heady solstice
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*** G O ***

spice thistle
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but we get to meet the sultana

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bitches

heady solstice
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OK?

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and?

spice thistle
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And?

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AND? Sultana best leader

lyric girder
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anyone here into guilty gear?

lost plinth
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Also I love how

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Yes in theory

lyric girder
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they just dropped trailers for 2 new strive characters

lost plinth
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I used to play a bunch of xrev

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Ooh

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New new?

heady solstice
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is guilty gear where you ninja loot eden's verse gear?

spice thistle
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psh

lyric girder
lost plinth
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Oh okay leo but

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who the fuck thissss

lyric girder
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remember the black guy from strive's reveal trailer?

lost plinth
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no

heady solstice
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its nagoriyuki emu

lyric girder
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that hasn't appeared since?

heady solstice
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you idiot

lost plinth
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When strive was announced it looked like mad ass and I sleep

wary gate
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it takes less time

lyric girder
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it still looks like mad ass

wary gate
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to open task manager

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and hit end task

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than to wait to exit the game

heady solstice
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ok

lyric girder
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dev interviews have made me really not excited for it

spice thistle
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Alright then that's your loss Kata, not gonna force you to play it if you don't want

lost plinth
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i just play May so

spice thistle
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But don't say you actually tried it

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Because you didn't

wary gate
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EXCEPT I DID

spice thistle
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You did not.

wary gate
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AND I WALKED AROUND

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FOR 2 HOURS

lyric girder
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i don't like what they did to may

lost plinth
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Unrelated but I love how the abbrev for kata's rampart bind looks like spicy

wary gate
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HANDING OVER PUMPKINS

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AND RECEIPTS

lost plinth
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Nor me

spice thistle
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You literally pussied out from it because "Oh i have to walk"

wary gate
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AND LETTERS

lyric girder
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where are my dolphin shenanigans

heady solstice
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so " i tried it " = not getting past level 20?

lyric girder
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they're just projectiles now

spice thistle
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Like ?

lost plinth
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yep

wary gate
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I WANT TO ACTUALLY GO ON AN ADVENTURE AND KILL SHIT

spice thistle
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Are you really legit?

lost plinth
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While I hate oki i miss that shit

spice thistle
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Yeah, and after that it gets better

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But no

lyric girder
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my jam

spice thistle
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It's okay, really

wary gate
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I'm gonna wade through the fucking mud to get to the gold prize

lyric girder
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was knocking down some poor dude

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p hoop

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here's the 6k train baby

spice thistle
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You won't get the feeling of beating the Ultima Weapon for the first time

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And feeling like an hero

lost plinth
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but it looks like great yamada is still her ult so I guess I still get fucked into screwing the input for command grab wallsplat ult

wary gate
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I don't give a shit at this point

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I'd rather go play something that's fun

spice thistle
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All because you can't get to walk your way from level 1

wary gate
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this just feels like a chore

spice thistle
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And WoW doesnt?

wary gate
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no, because I get to actually go on an adventure

spice thistle
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Sure

wary gate
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with a story that feels like it moves along

lyric girder
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remind me what the command grab input was?

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been a while since i palyed gg

wary gate
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this feels like a fucking snail's pace

spice thistle
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STORY THAT FEELS LIKE MOVES ALONG

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WOW?

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god

lost plinth
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it's like 5623

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really obnoxious

spice thistle
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THE GAME THAT LITERALLY MOVES BACK FROM CATA TO BC/WOTLK

lost plinth
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while i don't play FG that much nailing that one and then inputting ult really fucked me

lyric girder
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ehh at least it's not AC potemkin buster

lost plinth
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well, as a true combo that is

wary gate
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AT LEAST I DON'T SPEND HOURS WALKING AROUND DELIVERING PAPERWORK

lyric girder
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that shit's really finnicky

wary gate
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NOT ACTUALLY DOING ANYTHING

lost plinth
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never played potemkin so cant comment

wary gate
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sure there's paperwork delivery in wow

spice thistle
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NO BUT YOU ACTUALLY GO FROM GOLDSHIRE TO STORMWIND AND BACKWARDS

wary gate
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but that's an intermission

lost plinth
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i played a lot of may and kinda dabbled with ram a bit

spring burrow
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Kata, youre literally in the very beginning of the story

lyric girder
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if you don't press each of the diagonals exactly right you get 6p

lost plinth
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Yikes

spring burrow
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stuff picks up once you get past level 10

wary gate
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why do I have to wait to get there?

spice thistle
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It's sad, really that you got out from the game at an early game

wary gate
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why do I have to not have fun

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to have fun?

spice thistle
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Why do you talk like that when you play WoW? The game where the endgame is a chore itself

wary gate
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it's that age old defense "oh the show gets good later"

lost plinth
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I mean potemkin buster in strive does absolutely fuckass levels of damage

wary gate
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but if I don't watch the early bad episodes

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I won't know what's going on

spice thistle
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The game where only the first ten levels becomes good and then it goes down

lyric girder
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what if the game has rollback

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but the game is shit

wary gate
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so why should I bother?

lost plinth
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I wish lmao

wary gate
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I have to watch the bad episodes to get to the good stuff?

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I'll just go watch something actually enjoyable

lost plinth
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anyway ima watch this trailer then sleep it's 3am

wary gate
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something I know I like

lyric girder
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gn

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and i agree with kata

wary gate
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because this? this is not enjoyable

lyric girder
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early hours of ff14 really didn't sell me on the game

heady solstice
wary gate
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and all of you keep trying to invalidate my complaints

spring burrow
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...

wary gate
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telling me that's the status quo

spice thistle
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Because they are invalid

wary gate
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I should keep trucking on

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I'll get there eventually

spice thistle
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You are literally Asmongold trying to find something bad to talk about a game that doesn't know

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Trying to compare it to WoW

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When it's bad on the other side

heady solstice
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true

spice thistle
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Your first complain is

heady solstice
wary gate
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mate, the gameplay that I am experiencing isn't fun

spice thistle
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"The UI is bad"

heady solstice
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then

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dont

wary gate
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regardless of any comparisons to wow

heady solstice
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play it

wary gate
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I'm not

heady solstice
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okay

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good

spice thistle
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"Worse than WoW" when the UI of FFXIV is the cleanest of all the MMOs around

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Second complain

wary gate
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It looked ugly to me

spring burrow
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and its customizable at base

wary gate
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it actually bothered me

spice thistle
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"Why do these speak like old english, no one talks like this"

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Mate

wary gate
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you can't customize the aesthetic

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you don't seem to understand how much I loathe pretentiousness

spice thistle
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Stop living in your small bubble, people talked like this, and in the game they will talk like that since it's fantasy, old fantasy with a bit of steampunk

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Steampunk at the higher areas and darker themes at lvl 30 job quests

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Third complain

wary gate
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yeah, cause I'm walking around with my little sword, in an area that's just like a medieval town, and this fucking dude in an exoskeleton walks up and just one shots the entire area of stuff I'm fighting

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that pulls me right the fuck out of the game

spice thistle
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"Why do I have to walk around doing these things to become and adventurer" Because no one starts like an adventurer, WoW decides to skip it, everyone does it, FFXIV decided to not. And that is a bit of a move.

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Ah

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But there is actually a reason

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taht you, however, don't know

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You don't know why Garlemard is more advanced technologically

wary gate
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"magitech" is the answer I've been given

spring burrow
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yeah the "technology" is shown later

spice thistle
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Because we don't want to spoil?

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Maybe you are forgetting that we are treating you like a new player instead of going "Ah it's because that country and bla bla bla"

spring burrow
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this is a story heavy game, so its hard to go into detail without spoiling stuff that the game will tell you later

spice thistle
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FFXIV is

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More an RPG than an MMO

wary gate
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see, but here's the thing, it feels wrong when that happens

spring burrow
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Its a final fantasy game first, and an mmo second

heady solstice
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^

wary gate
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in other games a high level character comes along and they've got cool armor and spells

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but that all fits

spring burrow
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but a mech doesnt?

wary gate
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it's just cool armour, that's like yours, but better

spice thistle
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In here the armor is different because of the raid thematics

wary gate
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no, because nothing about the world so far has even slightly shown the idea of there being these crazy mechs running around in this medieval fantasy world

spice thistle
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BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T ADVANCED IN THE STORY

spring burrow
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BECAUSE YPU HAVENT GOTTEN THERE YET

spice thistle
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It doesn't make sense to you

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But to people it makes sense when you live the story

heady solstice
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"i havent played the story and the story doesnt make sense to me wtf shitty story shitty game"

spice thistle
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There is a reason why the Magitek armor is part of the mounts

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A big story reason

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maggie best girl btw

heady solstice
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maggie

wary gate
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See, I know nothing about final fantasy

heady solstice
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ok?

spice thistle
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You don't need to

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This game is

heady solstice
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you dont need to know anything

spice thistle
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independent

heady solstice
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its a standalone game

spice thistle
#

Everything is taught on game

#

Like

spring burrow
#

every final fantasy game is standalone

wary gate
#

so to me, when I play a medieval fantasy game I don't expect flying mecha

spice thistle
#

unlike wow you don't need to read the books alone

wary gate
#

it just doesn't make sense

#

and I get it

#

that the story explains it

spring burrow
#

it will when you get there

spice thistle
#

It does

#

It's...different

wary gate
#

but it doesn't feel cohesive

spice thistle
#

its not medieval fantasy

#

It's high fantasy

#

pure high fantasy

spring burrow
#

thats not the games fault that you see a player with a thing they got later in the game

spice thistle
#

If it was medieval fantasy even I'd be "why is this a thing"

#

but the game is just

#

high fantasy

#

Like

#

for every mount there is a reason to be

#

The magitek armor? You salvaged it in a lvl 40 quest

#

The car? blame Noctis for being in the first

wary gate
#

wait there are cars?

spring burrow
#

theres a car

spice thistle
#

A half-horse-man

wary gate
#

like

spring burrow
#

from a crossover event with ff15

spice thistle
#

That's...bad memory's fault

wary gate
#

a full on diesel engine?

spice thistle
#

ehh

#

No idea

#

Probably celerium

spring burrow
#

we dont know

wary gate
#

sorry not diesel

heady solstice
#

celerium

wary gate
#

internal combustion

spice thistle
#

it's celerium probably

#

The substance that serves to fuel magitek

heady solstice
#

celery fuel

wary gate
#

magic petrol, got it

heady solstice
#

celerium

#

its ceruleum mak

spice thistle
#

And there is a reason why it's powerful

#

kek

spring burrow
#

now, we dont know how accurate the car is for 14 specifcally, since its an event item and comes from 15

#

but it is there

spice thistle
#

Yeah

spring burrow
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oh and it can fly

spice thistle
#

Like

heady solstice
#

but still

spice thistle
#

everything in the game is explained in the same expac---

#

Well no

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Not in the same expac...

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Wait

wary gate
#

so

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there's a race

heady solstice
#

if you dont play the game and not try to learn the story

wary gate
#

in swtor

heady solstice
#

you wont understand the story

wary gate
#

who's name I've forgotten

spring burrow
#

what they look like

spice thistle
#

were Ardbert and his friends introduced and explained about in the same expac?

wary gate
#

and they have this incredibly advanced technology

spice thistle
#

NOW THIS IS WHAT I CALL

spring burrow
#

HW

spice thistle
#

POD RACING

wary gate
#

that's got all these colorful lights

#

they're like, super secluded

#

but they need out help

#

it's an event every once in awhile

heady solstice
#

ok

wary gate
#

and the thing is yeah? this super advanced tech looks strange

#

but it doesn't look out of place

#

it still feels thematically consistent

spice thistle
#

Because Star Wars?

spring burrow
#

ok but the tech in 14 isnt out of place

#

when you see it

heady solstice
#

it doesnt look out of place because you dont know the fucking world

#

dude

spice thistle
#

I don't remember if it gets explained soon why the world changed

#

Oh god

wary gate
#

it really does though? perhaps it's just me but people in mechs and exoskeletons walking down cobbled streets with marble buildings just does not look right

spice thistle
#

Just wait until you meet the allagans

spring burrow
#

Kata

spice thistle
#

Wait

#

exoskeletons walking down streets?

spring burrow
#

Its all that you havent seen the world

heady solstice
#

if you logged into wow and saw a fucking fel steel ahnillator it would look out of place m8

spice thistle
#

You can't have mounts in U;dah

spring burrow
#

they explain it

wary gate
#

I'm not sure I agree, because the actual tech still looks right

spice thistle
#

I mean

#

I could actually explain why

wary gate
#

it looks like it's made out of real metal

spice thistle
#

The armor looks

wary gate
#

the gree

spice thistle
#

different

#

but

heady solstice
#

kata

spice thistle
#

Up to you

wary gate
spice thistle
#

It's heavy spoiler moment

heady solstice
#

if you just fucking logged into the human starting zone

wary gate
heady solstice
#

and some jackass rolls up with the mount

#

would it not look out of place?

spice thistle
#

I MEAN

#

for me its

#

"Owow i can have that"

spring burrow
#

YEAH

spice thistle
#

So when I saw the mounts from FFXIV i was like

spring burrow
#

I see that and I'm like "oh yes me likey"

spice thistle
#

"mine"

wary gate
spice thistle
#

That looks from the First not gonna lie

spring burrow
#

oh hey the pvp mount I want

spice thistle
#

But it requires a beard for the lalafel

#

because lalafels aren't mecanonerds

#

They aren't gnomes

wary gate
#

this looks like something that could easily exist in the universe

heady solstice
spice thistle
#

I mean

#

Unless they are from Ironworks

heady solstice
#

but magitek armor doesnt?

spice thistle
#

Ah that's why

#

You need to meet Garlond Ironworks

#

Since they are the ones that created a futuristic airship

heady solstice
spice thistle
#

AZYS LLIA

wary gate
#

I disagree

#

I think that does look like it fits

heady solstice
#

???????????

#

what

spice thistle
heady solstice
#

kata

spring burrow
#

so what was the one that you didnt agree with

spice thistle
#

Kata you got

#

Jebaited

wary gate
#

no see

spice thistle
#

Kata

#

re read what you put

wary gate
#

that looks like it was made by actual blacksmiths

spice thistle
#

KATA

heady solstice
#

?????????????

spice thistle
#

YOU JUST SAID THAT YOU THINK MAGITEK ARMOR BELONGS TO FFXIV

heady solstice
#

thats literally what you were fucking complaining about m8

spring burrow
heady solstice
#

????

wary gate
#

I'm not complaining about those, they actually look right

#

to me, having seen it now that I looked it up, the machinist mech is pushing it

heady solstice
spring burrow
#

how

heady solstice
#

kata you cant say what does and doesnt fit in the universe without knowing the universe

spring burrow
#

you say mechs fit, BUT NOT THAT ONE

wary gate
#

no see

#

it looks more futuristic

spice thistle
#

...

#

Kata

#

btw

wary gate
#

but it also looks like it was still made by people

spring burrow
#

I

spice thistle
#

Alexander

#

That uh

#

mecha

wary gate
#

that's my point

spice thistle
#

is...

#

uh

#

how to say it

#

Not real

spring burrow
#

Yes but its a thing

spice thistle
#

No but i mean

#

It's a thing but not really

heady solstice
spring burrow
#

Yes yes its not an actually man made mech

spice thistle
#

Also Alexander is a god

wary gate
#

they look fine

heady solstice
wary gate
#

I'm trying to find the example hold on

#

it looked like a gundam

spice thistle
#

Ah!

heady solstice
#

ohmygod

wary gate
#

but not like, an old timey gundam with propellers

spice thistle
#

I know which one

#

The uh

heady solstice
#

ohhhhhmyyyyygoooddd

spice thistle
#

whatsthename

heady solstice
#

katakuri please

spice thistle
#

It was not a Magitek armor it was the

#

adfasdfa

#

This one?

wary gate
#

but, I can't remember exactly what they looked like

spice thistle
#

SPOILERS

spring burrow
#

Marc no

wary gate
#

no see that looks decent marcellus

#

also that makore

#

it's not spoilers to me

spice thistle
wary gate
#

I have no clue what this all is

spice thistle
#

its not for you but its for us

#

I was asking if

#

that one was the one you saw

heady solstice
#

i also think kata has already seen the 5.3 trailer

wary gate
#

so like

#

I was in the white city

#

where I kept getting lost

wary gate
#

and when I passed by the giant crystal

spice thistle
#

Limsa Lominsa

wary gate
#

there was a dude who looked like he was wearing gundam armor

#

don't remember exactly what it looked like

heady solstice
spice thistle
#

A dude that was wearing a gundam armor

wary gate
#

but it looked scifi

heady solstice
#

oh yes

wary gate
#

not steampunk

spice thistle
#

I wonder if they mean the

spring burrow
#

ok so that was actual player armor

#

you cant mount up in cities

spice thistle
#

late allagan armor

heady solstice
wary gate
#

no but close

#

see that looks like armor

spice thistle
#

This one?

wary gate
#

that yes

spice thistle
#

Ah

#

yes

wary gate
#

where it looks like scifi plastic

heady solstice
#

thats pvp gear

spice thistle
#

the genji armor

spring burrow
#

Ok yes that

#

thats pvp gear

spice thistle
#

That one is horrible and pvp gear

wary gate
#

that took me out completely

#

it's like I was reading this nice fantasy story and then a stormtrooper showed up

heady solstice
#

well its technically from an ancient empire thousands of years ago

wary gate
#

does that make sense?

#

is that an actual valid complaint to you?

heady solstice
#

but

#

that literal exact thing happens in wow...

spring burrow
wary gate
#

that's too much yeah

#

that looks sci fi

#

which, if the game becomes scifi later I guess I don't mind

#

it just looks jarring

#

when all you do is play the game

spice thistle
#

Yeah that's

#

One second

wary gate
#

i literally do not care about spoilers

spring burrow
wary gate
#

y'all are making a big fuss over nothing

spring burrow
#

ok so yes, the game gets scifi in some aspects later on

#

not too much, but enough

spice thistle
#

Yeah this is

#

Allagan technology

#

Which funny enough

spring burrow
#

the "scifi" is like the dwarves from elder scrolls

spice thistle
#

Allagan is old

#

Like very old

#

They were the reason of why the world got fucked once

spring burrow
#

very advanced but from ancient race

spice thistle
#

And they were evil

wary gate
#

see to me this looks kinda like the gree armor

#

who have the same story basically

spring burrow
#

i can see that

wary gate
#

ancient race, super high tech

spice thistle
#

Yeah

#

Ancient high tech races seems to be a

#

thing in some mmos

wary gate
#

but the problem is the aesthetic of the game, as far as I can tell, does not line up

spice thistle
#

like draenei and such

spring burrow
#

it will later on

spice thistle
#

Yeah Allagan doesn't really add up until you learn it

#

On a sidestory too for Crystal Tower raids

#

And for bahaboy

#

...

spring burrow
#

hell the endgame currencies are mainly computer chips

spice thistle
#

My boy

#

pff

#

I remember

spring burrow
#

in design

spice thistle
#

Aren't they cellphones?

spring burrow
#

yep

spice thistle
#

Because you can use them if you have the app

heady solstice
#

kata you seem pretty biased towards wow in your points

spring burrow
#

the tomephone

heady solstice
spice thistle
#

Don't mind the disconinued

spring burrow
#

theres the money

spring heath
#

Mak

#

gimme the poteics

#

poetics

spice thistle
#

NO

#

But yeah

#

You learn about every race

#

Like

#

Miqo'te started to appear after the 4th calamity

#

And their ratio of male to female are low

#

Females are more in number than males

heady solstice
#

both ingame and inlore

spice thistle
#

And the motherfucker rpers think it's okay to make gay Tias

#

This is how you sent a race to their extinction

spring burrow
#

also viera are only female because the males stay secluded from society

#

and are extremely territorial

heady solstice
#

hrothgar women barely exist

spring burrow
#

theres supposedly a queen

thick fulcrum
#

These things are silly.

heady solstice
#

well

#

was

#

ok sarm

spice thistle
#

There is supposed to be a Queen around

spice thistle
#

no idea how they will make the queen appear

#

Just imagine

#

Queen appears and

#

Female Hrothgar and Male Viera apepar

wary gate
#

see, the combination of the levelling not being fun so far, and the things I've heard about t he community and group content, just make me not want to play the game.

spice thistle
#

appear

wary gate
#

maybe I'll give it another go sometime

spice thistle
#

There is only a few % of the community that is shitty

thick fulcrum
#

Hopefully, This leads to greater appreciation of Yukes.

spice thistle
#

I reccomend doing it

thick fulcrum
#

Tho I don't think they're in any of the FF14 layers yet

spice thistle
#

After the trial is extended

spring burrow
#

try it later when the ARR experience gets reworked

spice thistle
#

Because in ether way

#

You would get

heady solstice
#

wtf is yukes

thick fulcrum
#

But yukes have it figured out.

spring burrow
#

wtf is that

wary gate
#

but it's just not fun right now

spice thistle
#

extremely bored in post ARR

thick fulcrum
#

FF race from Crystal Chronicles

#

They can bodyhop.

wary gate
#

and the constant "just keep at it, you'll get there" is doing nothing but pissing me off if I'm honest

spring burrow
#

what else can we say?

#

youre in the very early game

heady solstice
#

if you dont want to play the game

#

dont play the game

heady solstice
#

its simple

spice thistle
#

Yeah

#

Like

#

5 levels

#

Look

#

I felt like that at the beggining

#

I felt it very slow

#

I eventually quit it for a bit at level 20

#

Then came back, reached cap of trial and got it

#

Then I quit leveling after 50

#

And spend like

#

2 months trying to get a move for post ARR

#

I won't say this because you hate it but

#

You are in the worst part of the game, sadly

wary gate
#

one sec

#

hey @fallen nexus ? That fellow you banned earlier is in voice chat again.

fallen nexus
#

I know

wary gate
#

Ok

#

just making sure it wasn't someone avoiding their ban

spice thistle
#

Who wants to enter there

#

and be greeted with bad stuff

wary gate
#

how do I unlock machinist? because that seems more my aesthetic

rotund crown
#

there's no group for arneas? :I

heady solstice
#

you need to reach heavensward

spice thistle
#

You need to reach Heavenward content (lvl 50 and proceed with MSQ)

spring burrow
#

ok so for Machinist you have to start the heavensward expansion

heady solstice
#

which i doubt youll ever get to

spice thistle
#

And actually have it

#

Then you do the quest

#

and start blasting

#

It's a fun class

#

Like

#

no rng at all

spring burrow
#

I love machinist

heady solstice
#

no rng but your isp

spice thistle
#

Dancer and Bard have a bit of rng

spring burrow
#

Its the class that drew me to the game tbh

spice thistle
#

...

#

I am lying

wary gate
#

no joke

spice thistle
#

those two have a shit ton of rng

wary gate
#

I might keep on for that

#

because that looks like good fun

spice thistle
#

Eh i would suggest

#

Starting now

#

If you reach 30

#

dont buy it yet

#

Wait unti Aug 11

#

when the free trial extends to Heavenward

spring burrow
#

and level 60

#

for all classes

spice thistle
#

Aye

#

Level 60 is having a decent rotation on classes

wary gate
#

this feels like the kind of game where swtor's model would work damn well

heady solstice
#

which is?

spring burrow
#

how so

#

sub and get the xpacs?

wary gate
#

free to play, but the game kinda sucks

#

sub, or spend any money at all, access to the rest

#

sub for late game content

spice thistle
#

Well

spring burrow
#

thats the current f2p version

spice thistle
#

the free trial and

spring burrow
#

its about to not be bad

spice thistle
#

the full

#

what are the differences?

#

Ah juist not being able to get a house I think?

heady solstice
#

no fc

spice thistle
#

no fc only

#

And whisp?

#

You can whisp right?

heady solstice
#

i think

wary gate
#

wait

#

is there no ability that combos with total eclipse

#

wtf are these names

spring burrow
#

yet

spice thistle
#

Total Eclipse is an aoe

spring burrow
#

you dont have the full class yet

wary gate
#

no like

spring burrow
#

classes upgrade at level 30

wary gate
#

I'm looking at the spellbook

#

next thing I get is shield bash

#

then iron will

#

no clue wtf enmity is

spring burrow
#

iron will is the tank stance I believe

#

aggro

#

threat

wary gate
#

it's just a pretentious word for hostility

heady solstice
#

ok

#

so is threat

wary gate
#

what's pretentious about the word threat?

heady solstice
#

what's pretentious about the word enmity?

wary gate
#

when have you ever said "wow, that dude has some serious enmity"?

#

compared to "he looks threatening"?

spring burrow
#

tbh I never looked at the meaning of some word 14 uses

#

like potency

heady solstice
#

but you arent saying hes threatening

#

you are saying threat

spice thistle
#

just call it aggro

wary gate
#

if you generate threat

#

that means you are more threatening

#

so it makes sense that the enemy would attack the most threatening person

spice thistle
#

To put a barrier between two things. Not allowing two like things to have contact. Intercourse would not be possible if a prophalactic ( enmity) were used. a crude example but very clear

#

You are the barrier

#

The paladin

#

THE UNSTOPABLE FORCE

#

oshitwaittherecomesthetankbuster

spring burrow
#

lol

#

pops hollowed ground

wary gate
#

see, this is an example of "why use many words when few do just as good?"

spice thistle
#

I mean

#

The attacks of the paladins are just

#

Overworldy

spring burrow
#

I mean 14's abilities do do that

#

the descriptions are super simple

spice thistle
#

"Confiteor"

spring burrow
#

"they do this, heres the potency"

spice thistle
wary gate
#

that's another thing

spring burrow
#

oh hey its cooler blade of justice

wary gate
#

what is unaspected damage?

spice thistle
#

That

#

is actually a good question

wary gate
#

see, me having played other things

heady solstice
#

magic that isnt tied to a specific element

wary gate
#

thinks that damage aspects equate to types

spring burrow
#

oh yeah its just "magic" damage

#

not a specific element

wary gate
#

wait then why not just say magic damage?

spring burrow
#

because 14 grammer

wary gate
#

this game reads less like it was translated

#

and more like it was put through a translator

spring burrow
#

Yeah ARR's writing and acting was... interesting

wary gate
#

because the nuances of the japanese language don't make sense in english

#

they don't translate well

#

an actual person looks at this and makes adjustments so that the translation makes sense to the human ear

#

what I get more from this game is they put all the text through a machine

spring heath
#

I like the unaspected/aspected stuff

#

it has flavor

spice thistle
#

I think it was something about

#

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