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i have no fuckin words for that one
there were 3 samurai in that group and the sound made me throw off my opener
an attack with... potency?
It's a more clear way of indicating damage
I'm just...
instead of saying 'this does x damage' it's an indicator of value
the specific use of the word potency is amusing to me
eh, it's technically correct but there's probably a few funky translations
I dig it, personally
yeah wolf but i think kata's point is 'potency' is also used to refer to the male potential to perform, as it were
there's like 2 definitions
no
and those are both
This way is better
it's just a funny word to use
Mmk but making impotency jokes at black mages to piss em off
The strongest digit for potency
lol
is 1500
lol xqc said "shut up women", cancelled 
So it can reach a 150k critical direct hit
anyway i'm tryna get a purple parse for e5 so makore does whatever
yeah but so can midare setsugekka

kardascians
It's a Final Fantasy game
not so final
You will have a lot of story cutscenes
Which is why they can't do other localizations
If they were to translate the game it would take a lot of money to voice all the characters
there's no voices though
just wait for it
AHAHAHA
he timetravelled
why are there so many npcs?
it's a final fantasy game
I don't know what that means
if you have any questions not regarding to gameplay,just autofill the answer with that ^ and if the answer turns out to be something else then change it
how do I turn off other people's names?
gfdi can I get an e5 run where I don't get killed
by dummy shit
or functionally killed by stacked stormclouds
found it thanks
i'm outdpsing everyone else in these groups by a fucking lightyear but it doesn't help matters much
go again
oh you stood too far into stratospear? take 99999999
n00b
yes
snae ling
There will also be ones where you say a phrase in /s to find an NPC
also this writing is stretching my brain
the mayhap wording and such?
nobody talks like this
Ho boy

just wait
that's not the point
until you meet uwurianger
ok
More like an English Boomer
...actually not a boomer
If you were a boomer you would be okay with old english being used


ok there's combos
I think in Jap urianger speaks the old kanji things
like in TERA
if you lose the combo
Exactly
sorry mak but I can't do this today, shit pissing me off
Where the fuck are the good players
is lancer a tank?
Dragoon is dps yeah
also what happens if I lose the combo?
you restart
Yeah
2 newbie healers
wait you don't loot enemies?
4 instantaneous wipes to fucking stratospears
its auto loot
nah, that threw me for a loop originally
Loot is automatic
Holy shit
Emu i think
just stop for the day
You are going to get very stresssed and burnt out
I absolutely fucking am
How the fuck do you lose to fucking stratospears
And you know the worst part?

I've parsed a 45 reliably every single fucking time
i just left that group without a word
fuck that lmaooo
That's literally the easiest fucking mechanic
It even has a telegraph in normal, you can't just die to it twice
You literally just move to the smaller one
Let alone 4 times

It has a telegraph in Savage too

Send me that one
OH YEAH, and the dnc gave partner to a fucking machinist
y'know mak i'll just send all my attempts tonight
do what you will
Like the dnc looked at me
why the fuck
the dnc partnered the mch
...
the mch shrugged at me
like bro come the fuck on
and i /playdead
its literally 5 minutes of your time
kata for context dancer can give one person the most outrageous dps padding in the game by far
and they didn't give it to me, the best melee dps in the game currently
they gave it to a fucking machinist
after thinking about it for some time
aaaaaa
emu calm down
honestly... I am not really having fun? I feel like I'm spending so much time looking at my map and where to go than actually doing anything

it starts slow
i had multiple 'attempts' at starting xiv
Same
til I just like, kept at it one time
I stopped actually
and it got better
same here thereabouts
since the story grew a bit boring and started to rp a bit
Then
again at 50
because god fucking damn it
Fuck the arr post msq
on the bright side, by the time kata reaches post ARR, if they even do, it'll have been reworked
also this whole handover thing is moronic
Kata if you want to drop now and play it later when the free trial
why add the extra step?
more immersion
what immersion? I talk to the person, it opens my bag, I click the the item, I click hand over
it just seems unnecessary

its just how the engine is
...Didn't they change the engine
from ARR?
No i mean
it's in the same vein as WoW's engine, there's a cap eventually
kata its an mmorpg
yeah, it's why i said it was a holdover, it was just taken from that because they didn't know what else to do for hand-ins
Which is sad because I watched videos of 1.0 and the graphics from it were pretty
just blame the PS3
the fucking black mage animations bruh
why i be holding a staff like they do now
i want the weapon drawn anims from 1.0
i mean eden ramuh's beard is quite nicely clipped tbh
welp my usual powers of finding people that @spring heath can attest to have failed, couldn't find Kata, giving up and going back to doing other stuff

but yeah, lancer's one of the 4 melee dps
and one of the 2 you can actually start with
it changes into dragoon at 30, which's basically a final fantasy staple but in this game they're dragonkillers
so do classes like split?
more like evolve
like you start out as X but become Y or Z?
when you hit level 30 and finish the class quest, you get given a soul of the dragoon "trinket"
or job stone, as they're called
and while you have a lance and a dragoon soulstone equipped, you are a dragoon
and basically that's when you start unlocking more moves
cause if you've checked your spellbook, it largely stops pretty early, considering max level is 80
ignoring chaos thrust cause that unlocks late
so once you unlock dragoon via your class quests, lancer basically evolves into dragoon
specialised classes like that are referred to as 'jobs'
which is a bit of an odd term but you get used to it
see how my abilities split from Class and Job
what is the point of this?
flavour
seems overly complicated
nobody starts out as a trained dragonkiller
just like nobody's a random jobber with a stick at max level
Sure, but the whole trinket thing and whatnot seems a bit much
i mean
Well, for arcanist it isn't
you just put it on and forget about it
Because arcanist branches out into 2 jobs
so you NEED the soulstone to switch between them
well, not quite, but
yeah as marc says, set it and forget it
Plus honestly if you consider Legion was demon-hunter flavoured
the first expansion Heavensward is very dragoon flavoured
ok what if I wanna use two swords?
ninja has daggers
yeah
Ninja is pretty different cause 4 of its buttons are basically 1-2-3-execute
what about fans? I heard there's a class that uses fans.
and it has a bunch of moves that require putting in the code, and executing
Yes and no, that'd be dancer
it has extra moves for Fan Dance
theres a class that uses chakras
but mostly it uses chakrams
but you need a fair bit of legwork to unlock dancer cause it's a similar starting level sorta shit to demon hunter
So I have to be a dancer to use chakrams and there are no fan weapons?
basically.
for dancer's fan dance attacks, its weapons turn into fans, but that's just the move animation
now I need to do a 5min sam parse so brb
Yeah see, I asked that because being a dancer sounds like the lamest thing ever
sounds like it should be a healer
what is 11?
mhm
well, it is one, they still update it even though its old
when dancer came to 14 it being a dps was a bit of an eyebrow-raiser
like everyone expected gunbreaker to be a dps (it's styled after the protagonist of FF8) and it turned out to be a tank
it plays very much like it was gonna be one at one point
and then they switched the roles
well its loosely styled off of squall
yeah gunbreaker has fucking 3 dps ability chains lol
I mean it has rough divide, blasting zone, renzokuken (?), fated circle
the gunblade in 14 doesnt act the same as it does in 8
i guess
14 gunblades are the closest to 8 there's been
but still
they even invented a 8-styled gunblade in the lore, because existing 14 gunblades weren't the same 
Emu I just got a random shiny copperajah from a raid
ye
BLOG IT CHEF
its got perfect ivs in all but attack
sheer force?
heavy metal sadly
is it sheer force or heavy metal?
fuck
unfortunate
life orb sheer force gmax copperajah is my fucking ace in the hole on so many teams
not really, in the next dlc theyre supposedly adding an ability capsule that lets you change abilities to the hidden abilities
wait emu heavy metal is the hidden ability
I can swap over to sheer force with a normal capsule
pretty sure, lets test
try it but idk
my condolences
How hard was to play it
fuck you cant

kotl of the lake
the first boss was nicely
kotlotl of the lake
IF NTO BECAUSE THE OTHER DPS PUSHED THE BOMBS INTO THE FIRE
And we blew ourselves up
I mean the second boss is Uptime Cry
GOD THE SECOND I WAS LIKE
"FUCK TURN AROUND YOU BITCH
"fuck this time to use north star"
"WHY ARE YOU RUNNING"
north star? you been smoking too many mnk memes?
stonks
not like i actually need the money like, ever, but
at this rate i'm just saving change for 5.3
I hate mass stacks
i wonder why kata wanted to hide all names
HEADASS
ah yes, lord headass
they do not like it up them, mr mainwaring
it makes me very sad there's probably nobody here that understands this reference
is that one of the shb dungeons?
malikah's. yep
bruh I never get that one in roulettes
i'm leveling mch so
highest available
it's the one with the a12 mechanic on the final boss that everyone eats ass on permanently
i'm kinda sad cause
i actually kinda liked the old mch animations?
now it's just
jumpy boi
I wish it changed depending on rifle / pistol
I absolutely fucking hate the dumb flips you get and the way you hold the gun just in a singular way, but all the mch weapons vary wildly in size
i wish there were any fucking pistols beside makai which is gone forever
and no i don't mean revolvers on the scale of a sawn-off
Pvp vendors probably your best bet for that now
Yeah
I recall there being a couple of others somewhere, just cant think where to get them
But I prefer the bigger rifles / HANDGONNE stuff
so dragoons are very dragon themed?
Yeah
Dragoons are dragonslayers, and a bit demon-hunter ish in the 'power of the enemy' spiel
the commanding dragoon in Ishgard uses the eyes stolen from one of the most powerful dragons (dragons store power in their eyes, don't ask) as a source of power
and dragoons are typically just 'jumpy boi'
like
-can you hold a lance
-can you jump 100ft from a standing start to hit a dragon at bullet speed
congrats, you're qualified
like, go from this timestamp https://youtu.be/4phUCJlomPo?t=255
actually uh kata
if you want to learn about dragoon talk to monte
hes the loldrg of ff14 gang
yeah monte leveled exclusively on drg
i've been playing it a shit ton recently too but like
if you wanna know how it is to level, ask monte yeah
but also like
@empty swallow montgomery come here
a normal person can't jump 100 feet in the air
dragon magic, fucko
even warrior, the physically strongest class in the game, don't do insane crazy things
yeah 
i mean warrior literally hits the ground so hard it causes a tectonic shift and creates a wall of rock
for its limit break
oh god oh fuck don't do it
images taken before disaster
images taken after disaster
basically in the final fantasy universe, aether manipulation is the basic copout equivalent for 'nanomachines, son'
idk what that means
life force
energy
basically creation sauce
everyone possesses at least some minor capability to manipulate aether
so everyone is a little bit arcane mage
not being able to's basically a one-in-a-thousand defect sorta thing
A bit, yes
it explains how anyone can at least pick up arcanist
Or teleport
Or use aetherytes
Some people have more of a talent for it than others
yeah I'm not sure if this game is for me...
no
I said the ui was garbage
I fixed that
and the amount of clutter is a bit offputting but I can get used to that
but the over the topness is a fantasy I'm not huge on
I think if I do play it I'll try black mage
because like... casters being so over the top makes more sense to me
I don't like the super flashy fancy effects for melee
i mean
black mage or summoner, then
plus summoner gives you the option of a healer swap
and it's a lot more mobile than black mage
ooh I like that
Basically summoner's base class is arcanist
and if this makes sense, all XP you earn is attributed to your class
so if you were a level 79 dragoon
it'd say 'you earn xyz lancer xp'
that's just how it is, and for this reason
when you hit level 30 in arcanist and unlock your job stone
you unlock two
for summoner AND scholar
both are pet users, but one's a caster one's a healer
and since all xp is attributed to arcanist, they share levels
Probably cause summoner/scholar is the closest thing to wow specs
and then you can choose between different specializations
i.e. 'how wow does it'
but yeah, summoner gets pets
The median there though is XIV makes it as easy to level every single class in the game on one character, as WoW makes it to gear up all specs on one character
summoner also gets deathbeams so if you like deathbeams
I have an OC who does deathbeams
and its pets also have deathbeams
he only knows one spell and it happens to be the most powerful spell for destruction
wow is kinda alt heavy where as in ff14 you dont really make alts
like, all of them
but that means no one else can learn it unless they kill him

honestly kata i'll say this
keep going for now. you'll unlock via MSQ fast traveling to the other cities
and then you can unlock thaumaturge and arcanist (black mage and summoner) and try those
and you'll always have lancer to fall back on, and you keep your story progress
it's not very long until you unlock traveling to the other cities
but spoiler: he sacrifices himself to take out an entire star system, and the spell is lost
you could technically walk to ul'dah and unlock thaumaturge but i wouldn't really recommend it
and you can't walk to limsa lominsa to unlock arcanist, what with it being on an island
Hmm, how sexualized is female armor?
nope
Not much tbh
not very sexualized tbh
wow has it much worse
hello
i mean have you seen me
whyy I"m pinged
just middriffs
by the great marcelo

no I'm not
I refuse

also that's a specific armor set marcellus
have a good day
oh yeah, they gave up/didn't/maybe
ok kappakuri
I am going to try out summoner

bye montgomery
esplosuin
what is the difference between seekers of the sun and keepers of the moon?
none
eyes
seekers have cat eyes, keepers have regular eyes
lorewise. quite a lot
if you want miqote background explaining, that's basically an obligatory Wolfaelan ping
is it titan hard
gon choose a different race then

bruh my whole FC always gets titan hard
get fucked mak
thats just how long you have to complete it
119 mins til the instance fails by timeout
^
and it never takes that long
world of darkness takes 30mins at worst
that's assuming a wipe on first boss
ive never failed an instance from timeout
nor me
i got real fucking close though
if an instance is getting that close to timeout, your group sucks dick and you should've abandoned half an hour ago
stares at ghymlit
we kept wiping on the last boss because the healer kept fucking dying
ok so
bruh

asides from the 3 allied races
they eating the dash mechanic thing?
who has a muscle slider?
uhhh
those arent allied races
Wait
you just need to buy the expansions
idk but I think highlanders and roegadyn
Emu Marc no no no
are there any more that do?

Yeah but that's cause you're progging
just dont prog like i do
Same as wow
it's just a fault in standardised design that prog content has an instance timer
so it's basically an enrage timer?
no
WoW doesn't have it at all, it's literally a 'when this timer runs out, the instance will end and you failed'
it's a standard of the design
but it means stuff like savage raids which people progress on have it
so, ignoring the lack of abs, Roegadyn seems to be the best race in the game
so it's 'oh let's just back out and refresh timer'

broegadyns
roes are kinda nasty imo
but thats just me
yeah
focking potato
oof
EMU NO

shut up emu
what the fuck are fem roes even
plus male roes have that really weird animation
where even are they
it's so hard for me not to want to pick this hair
the pelvic thrust
aight boys
time to do the weekly Kugane Parkour (Savage) run
more with mister "all my namedays came at once"
kata the suspense is killing us
ohno
oh okay i expected it to be lalafell
Oh the hairstyle
I thought you meant you found a different race you liked lmao

you will have cute pets
it's peak hours

you don't need bonus xp
but
then I will just pick Diabolos
kata bear in mind there's a handful of unlockable hairstyles
but they tend to be a bit unremarkable
imho
how do I adjust the size of my bars again?
menu > hud
HUD Layuout
same shit
no stfu marc
Because you are an arcanist now
You got told this when you were making your character
Ok the reason is you start close to your guild
no but like
the quest is "pick up these peculiar herbs"
and they are conveniently in a line
leading you to the crystal thingy
NANI
you do if you want really
WHERE DID YOU
get fuckin' nitro you peasant
Im poor ok?
says as he has 5 subscriptions
what the fuck to?
TO WHAT
xiv, wow...?
gamepass
...
And
uh
hmm yeah only three
I could get rid of the wow one since i don't plaay it and im only waiting for the
beta
why are there so many people in the starting area?
same tbh
limsa is uh
because its a capital city
emu what
goldshire isn't that crowded
the adventurers' guild in uldah on balmung is goldshire
yeah cause ffxiv has an active playerbase 

why are there so many names, how are you supposed to see anything
ah yes all this nice scenery, too bad you can't see it
you literally turned off the names before
you can turn names off...
why are we doing this again lol

I forgot how to
Thank
my powers of being nosy have not failed me today either
sincerely hope i didn't just clown myself and find a suspiciously-similar-looking roegadyn
T
tallyN
tAnEmu
then i'll just steal your name instead



tell yoship you use nude mods
epic
anyway from what i've heard, telling yoship that someone uses a parser is more reliable
i've heard of people getting thrown into babyjail like 3 hours after getting reported for that shit
priorities, huh.
Also kata, if you unlock all the mini aethernet fast travel points around limsa, you automatically unlock extra fast travel points to right outside the gates
worth doing
The might don't care about the noods
cause it's quite a long walk from the middle of limsa to any of the exits
Like I remember Yoko Taro asking people to pass the rar of the lewds
lmfao yeah
'oh wow people are lewding 2B? y'all had better package it up and send it me'
'for safekeeping'
'ofc'
so, I know I have been very negative
yoko taro is the epitome of 'he knows what he does'
I don't really mean to be
I got the best glam
but I like the simplicity of say
a full set
no mak
wow, swtor, wildstar
i have the best glam
i mean kata i think most of us just have you pinned as 'it's not wow'
where the story boils down "I don't care who you are, join the military"

i mean xiv's does that
kata doesnt know
Kek
I just seem to be walking from person to person
that's cause you gotta fill out the paperwork for being a local jobber
we do shit properly here
also it's so. freaking. heavy on vocabulary
i mean
it's a final fantasy game, that's kinda just a fact of it
it's as if they looked at medieval writing and thought "hmm, yes, that's what people must have spoken like"
Oh that?
and that's not true
not really
it's not so much the doth, thou, verily type stuff
maybe it dials down in later content idk
more that they speak in paragraphs
I think it is ecause you was on Gridania
the spoken word reads more like written word
than it does someone actually speaking
i mean elves are elves in literally every fantasy trope
stuck up and assholish
...||THENYOUHAVEMOTHERFUCKERURIANGER||
OH GOD
also I can't move or go back in a conversation
it's not so much the doth, thou, verily type stuff
you have fucking yet to meet Urianger, i swear
ok so what does the quest with a cross on it mean again?
Pray tell, What the fucketh dost thou presently fucking writ about me, thine little wench? I'll grant thee the knowledge I surpassed mine studies in the Waking Sands, and mine hand has proven useful on numerous engagements with Garlemald, as I boast past 300 slays counted. I hath trained in infiltratous gambits and mine condition of top Astrologian is surpassed none by in all. Thou art but another victim to mine. Mine power will be swift and precise upon thee slaying, archive my promise. Thou think with convictions your preachings would be unheard over our linkpearls? Pray reconsider, thou insignificant spec. As I commune mine conglomerate across Eorzea are presently tracing thine aether so I compel prepare thineself for the calamity to come, worm. Calamity great enough to erase thine insignificant conscious. Thou are beyond saving, child. Present I am, eternally, and mine methods to erase thee counts hundreds, if only I restrict mineself to close quarters. As I am not only a graduate in unarmed combat, I hath access upon the Scions of the Seventh Dawn's vast array and use it I shall fully extent to see thee to thine end, you formation of fesces. Pray tell you mayhap hath envisioned the conclusions to thine preachings, mayhap thou doth choose silence. But thou failed to, thou spoke, and thou fate has been determined, thou godscondemned stultus. Mine sphincter will rain fire upon thee and thou shall drown therein. Thou fate is fucked, kiddo.

kinky

I should join the Arcanists' Guild yeah?
yep
well
you have to
cause uh, that's what you picked at the start lmao
You're not hard locked in, once you've completed your level 10 class quest you can unlock whatever you can reach
but til then
yes
how
how what
how do I say this name
if it is a roegadyn name
Oh god it's the arcanist's guild leader isn't it
dw they are hard
Thubyrgeim
All sea wolf roegadyn have aggressively welsh names
Tubirgeim
there's a little quip like that for most of the guild join confirmations
like marauder's 'are you prepared for destruction?'
y/n
just say yes
and if you think that's an awkward name, try the leader of Limsa Lominsa, merlwyb bloefhiswyn
Merlwyb works tho
but it makes no god damn sense
i mean reason is usable as a verb
but it's 2am i need sleep
then I guess it does make sense that they would actually say that
yeah
because it's the most pompous fucking usage of literalism
arcanist/summoner/scholar can basically be summarised as pushes up spectacles
and I hate when people do that
the thaumaturge/black mage guild are basically historians with a slightly too relaxed attitude to mass destruction
which is especially concerning considering they're almost all lalafells
there is no such thing as a too relaxed attitude towards mass destruction
also kata whats your fuckin ign so i can add you as a friend
no, there is and they have it

trust me on this
what is a lalafells?
you've not seen one?
gnomes
gnome equivalent
My character is named Whispering Truth
i mean roegadyn are like 6 foot 4 tall so
I hit the random button and that's what came up
look down, you might trip over one
oh god
look
this is actually a nitpick
the door is closed
it took me way too long to figure out where to go

because I was just going past what I thought was a painted on door
also kata i'd be interested to hear how you get on in story cutscenes considering you're at least a third taller than most of the cast
Tall muscular women are one of the only things that give me joy in the world
well you picked the correct race
i see you are a person of culture as well
!
oh
There is going to be a pa-
Emu DM
honestly I really need to work out more
there's one scene in stormblood, where a character basically gets at eye level with you and quietly threatens the shit out of you
he actually kneels down for lalafell characters
but this quarantine has destroyed me mentally and physically
does he have a stepladder for roegadyn
also this is called a Hawker alley
aight i sent you a friend request kata
but there's no food?

are you praetori sunarrow?
yeah
that's a really gay name I am not going to lie to you
I didn't say it was bad
This will probably not be a permanent character
as WoW is already $154 a year
there is a man in a dress sitting here working a loom
Free trial rememer?
why
is weaver
why is he in a dress
yeah
you asked what gender gear was like, there's your answer, it's the same
but if you're gonna pick a fucking ugly dress you need help
oi





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