#no-wow-discussion
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He is right
It's worth it
Watch Berserk 2016. You'll get depressed.
I think I bashed it at Hulk level...
Watch Akira, wait that's too old
Steins;Gate is good
Full Metal Alchemist.
I saw Brotherhood
Mob Psycho 100.
Onepunch man
One Punch Man is an obvious one. Everyone loves it.
But not as many people watched Mob Psycho, despite it also being created by One.
Attack on Titan
#general-weeb
We have such a channel? Cool!
We don't
I know. The text... wasn't... it wasn't blue... yeah.
just a shame it's like... 1 or 2 inches of snow at most
so, barely anything
but better than nothing
background voice Me three!
at least it's not 90 degree weather in fucking winter
People want snow like in books, but they end up getting rid of the snow like in novels.
My room for 80% ish of winter has been between 23-25 degrees celsius
even with a window open
I imagine if ppl were to live in the world of the book they'd get frustrated and would want to come back
I honestly just want winter to actually feel like winter
Same
I had the coldest summer ever last year. It literally rained for two thirds of it.
but florida doesn't get that
Florida always gets the opposite of what Florida wants, it sounds like
eitherway, I just hope this snow actually stays for more than two days
Here's a hint to where I live. Vampires.
Alaska
EU.
Romania?
Ding! And I thought we were an unknown country because ten people confused it for the capital city of Italy.
I was thinking Romania too, but didn't guess.. well, atleast I was right in my head.
Captain America: Civil War also hinted to Romania.
Winter Soldier lived there for a bit.
Romania is the home of vampires and gypsies so. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
oof
Despite being a vampire, I'm also a haemophobist. Okay? I hate blood.
Well, seeing blood.
WoW has nearly no blood. It helps with my phobia. Pixelated blood also triggers it for some reason.
Don't go to uh.
BFA. then
it's got plenty ofthat
with the whole elf vampires we use
Mortal Kombat, also? xD
Cough cough G'huun
And the 2K16 Doom
Mortal Kombat 11 is brutal
I unsubbed. Wasn't very happy with myself in WoW. Planning to come back, if I manage to get a grip on some game time.
and to an extent.. Borderlands, though I'm not sure if you could tone down the amount of blood you'd see, after not having played it in a long time
Skyrim with decapitations
I installed a blood mod
I just play games with small amounts of gore. WoW, Skyforge, Warframe, etc.
stay especially far away from Killing Floor 2, despite the ability to select gore amount... the fact that you can paint the ground in blood says enough.
at least warframe can turn off the gore
Chains of Harrow scared the ever living crap out of me.
DON'T YOU.
.. what
I don't get this, clue me in please Vris... in pms to not haunt Eiryna
Chains of Harrow is a haunting story you deal with in Warframe, Sela
I swear I heard him getting closer every time he said it. I was hysterically looking around like "Come on mofo! Where are you?!"
or, well, that helps enough to get a general idea
Then started crying when I saw the blood on the wall.
If you ever play warframe and get to taht quest sela
Put in Headphones
and be absolutely amazed by the quality
Operators are technically humans.
I'm not really interested in Warframe, so would just looking up a video of it suffice?
Operators are kinda spoilers
well yolo let's try that then
Just search Chains of Harrow playthrough.
But there are the npcs in game that talk to us
I played warframe for like an hour tops, don't know if it's worth the grind
He also gifted me an Arca Plasmor. Best bro ever.
It is imo
And I'm only mastery rank 6!
Warframe is probably kne of the best f2p game out there
I respect the Warframe developers. How could you not?
They made an amazing game.
Is it possible to get another warframe without paying real money?
Yes
Yes.
You can earn Everything in that game
for free
Every warframe
every weapon
every mod
every pet
Just need to farm mats?
All free.
I've got Valkyr, Rhino and Excalibur Umbra in my first week of playing.
im going to cry
Might put some time in, not really doing anything in wow atm
Currently building Inaros.
New raids out and you're doing nothing in woW
Laziness
More stupid than before
I didn't even do LFR Uldir or higher. That's why I'm unhappy with myself in WoW.
well thank you for the honesty at least Arcane
I tried to make a PuG right now
I say "sstay att this side"
they don't do shit
we wipe they leave
Gods...what happened with natural selection
I could do m+ but nah
I've done a couple +10 keys. But I never really cared for loot after I got 385 bracers.
Say no ninja pulls, watch how somebody always does it to spite you
@deft vapor Did you actually ever get Chains of Harrow explained to you?
./shrug I enjoy storytelling
I had my brother do it because I was too scared.
Also I think my splatterscope game has increased tenfold once I got the black overcoat and tinted shades
I wanted to stop playing Warframe after doing the first Chains of Harrow mission.
being Agent 4 is overrated, we Agent 47 now
The best thing you can do to people is invite them to critique Harrow's stats on his shop page
Cause the music on his shop page is different to every other shop page, and ends in rap tap tap
And when he started saying "Rap. Tap. Tap." and sounded like he was getting closer every time.
A very stereoscopic boi
I pooped my pants.
Mine was slightly ruined by the fact it thought I'd seen the blood writing the first time but I hadn't
I shat brix when I heard the radio "raps" turn clear
and then THAT happened wtf lotus
I was ok through most of it, the...3rd? mission where the blood writing pops up on walls you've looked at then starts dripping gave me chills
I will admit the first red veil dude to rush me in the first mission got very violently deleted
I also hated that I was so scared ON THE FIRST MISSION that I was like "He's gonna be on the ceiling and jump on me. It's gonna be a jumpscare and make me punch the monitor."
Chains of Harrow is horror I can respect. Not jumpscary like most stuff that passes for horror these days
Jumpscares and blood are my biggest fears ever.
The hey kiddos since however, they make me jerk my mouse every single time
Especially since I tend to miss my operator since she's white on a white background
they removed hatbot
look at what you did
Yea, my brother did let me do that last part.
Did you notice the first kiddo after The Sacrifice has different dialogue?
No?
soooo I'll say here and you can get to it
starts with sp00py child
'Feeling better kiddo?'
'I killed him... Isaah'
'Did you now? Is that how you remember it?'
'Yes'
'Good.'
y u do dis?
I'm morally sound, you had no obligation to read it here disappears in a cloud of moral high ground
is interesting though
There's probably going to be a quest in future addressing the operator's psyche
Lemme just get my Limbo Brando warframe and Za Warudo real quick.
cause tbh if anyone'd have crippling PTSD it'd be them
Tbh I entertained in my mind a mod to replace Limbo's 4 cast sound with za warudo
But tbh I think if DE wanted to they would add that
ZA WARUDO
TOKI WO TOMARE
BRRRRRRR
I still think the actual sound of Dio's timestop is a classic
Limbo Brando. xD
https://youtu.be/3EB13m5Ng9c This benefits the louder it is so go mad
Doggo's Bizarre Adventure more memes @ facebook.com/houseofdank ORAORAORA MUDAMUDAMUDA
I once got that addon that put sounds over attacks
downloaded the ORA ORA
and put it on the fists of fure
Addon name?
Ehhh
How was that for you
My timewarp macro had /y ZA WARUDO for a few years
and ffs watch my meme
I want Za Warudo on mage blink with a "Could you see me?" in /say
ahaha
The beginning animation is an experimental test, if you want to see more of those kinds of things (which I already have concepts for) then please give feedba...
that was
beautiful
on other news: The carmen sandiego show from netflix is actually really good
Did they find her already?
Yes. I guess.
kek
She's hte main character.
probably is, just like everybody's choking Sasuke nowadays
Yeah, it became a meme thanks to Crunchyroll
yeah its a meme
the boruto's dad thing has been dead for so long tho
I think my squidkid may have progressed into actually being edgy
mind you there's edge and there's professor mcgonagall
am pissed
why
oof
I just googled this to see if it existed and it did
@spice thistle watch this til you are not sad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aJ30jQk6bQ
how many woomies could you hear during 10 Hours? ;) like, comment and subscribe for more woomies videos! :) follow me on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/I...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0q0QeQbw9U @lost plinth Suffer as I have suffered
We did it boys, 1 million views. AYAYA Clap NOW BACK IN GLORIOUS 16:9 HD! Original video (updated!): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wnNW4HyDtg I finally fo...
Weeb
oh no
i downloaded a big torrent and my stupid face forgot my laptop's ssd is 36gbs
126*

loooool ayaya wtf
Yea that's what mine looks like sela
10 hours loool
suffer as I have
TBF I actually have a lot of stuff on my C (SSD)
I've GTA V, all my programs
And downloads there
As in , chrome downloads
I'mma try to upgrade into 4 terrabytes
The other 31TB are just HDD
what the fuc
I always think I have 32 IDK why
Oh OK thanks the reduction of 5 TB makes it far moreunderstandable
that's this a shit ton
Makore be over here like "spare 1TB pl0x?"
yeah
the life of a mod
...Is that a server pc or what
no help
It's not something that needs help @fresh osprey
Also
Fun fact
DOOM 2016 wasn't going to have a metal soundtrack originally
I know
They wanted synths
But Mick Gordon convinced them to use guitars
There’s a great GDC talk he gave
It’s about an hour long
I recommend it if you haven’t seen it
it isn't doom if it doesn't have metal
tmw i thought arathi warfront was renewed
My schedule is so fucked
@lost plinth @spring burrow
nani
Will you participqte in the Smash Open?
Oh theres a smash thing?
Oh bother
I'm streaming Overwatch for fun, check me out: http://twitch.tv/fanbyte
old meme
still relevant
not really
im not going to explain the intracacies that are the activision blizzard relationship
@woven vortex can do a much better job I think
@woven vortex u heard the man tell me a story
Well this is just being pedantic but, you could jokingly argue that Blizzard is Activision-Blizzard's pet, but not Activision's pet. 😛
But its not a joke to those people
@spice thistle Hatbots back!!!!
Taunt to get bodied
Dis game is fun
I bet this guy's a BM Hunter in disguise.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/wally-emotional-support-alligator-helps-owner-cope-depression-050653049.html
HOLD DA PHONE
Shinya Takahashi, Senior Managing Executive Officer, has a development update on Metroid Prime 4 for Nintendo Switch. Please take a look. Official Website: h...
Ah damn
They restarted the development
But now they are working with Retro Studios
Overall good news I guess
ugh. I reinstalled Witcher 3 like 'hey why have I not played this in forever'
remember now
damn fucking thing doesn't save
Wat
It's literally like playing a roguelike
I die to a random drowner, goodbye 3 hours back to the start of the game
Free game for steam only 24 hours. https://goo.gl/DE9trx
@fresh osprey I am saving. I press the button and it does not work
same as last time
yes
Idk. Not in atm so can't but will let you know
Why so many store mounts🤔
To make people bitch about it, I'm sure.
Why does it matter? It’s cosmetic
I just realised an inkredibly broken Inkling tech
Dash dance
You're basically invisible
Most people complain for the sake of complaining
or they jus tsee something they don't like
that's like the other thing they don't like
and blame it
I just realised
Alpharad wanted Bayonetta in Smash and she was top tier and broken
Alpharad wanted Simon Belmont in Smash and he turned out to be top tier and broken
Someone stop this man
Then Bayo went to Smash Ult and got fucked over
deserved
Anyone get Resident Evil 2?
friends did
I'm just looking for a little feedback from the greatest Gaming discord channel of all time before I pull the trigger on it.
Steam reviews looks Amazing tho
It's just a great remake I'd say
Hello all
hi
@lost plinth you online?
Whew.
was wondering if you have ~30 mins to spare and have a warlock 😄
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/91923392826994688/538695856816259074/unknown.png mankind was not meant to witness such magnificience
#anthem shenanigans
I really don't get anthem
I've seen some stuff of it
and I've seen some people saying 'wow it's so good'
But I've seen it and I can't see how it isn't bland as fuck
you fly around,you shoot things,you do abilities,it be coop,
like I've tried it at a mate's
the gunplay is eh
the only thing that feels sufficiently cool is the rockets/ults from the warframes javelins
the difference in control weight/feel between ground and flight is abysmal
Besides 'hey it has flying' I fail to see how it's a better game than destiny
well for one it's not Destiny
these Lol adds are getting bothersome
ehhh
draws CPY colors on himself
Denuvo sucks, I would prefer something that doesn’t tank my framerate occasionally
Yeah
Would be okay if it was something else rather than denuvo
Denuvo fucks stuff up
Money dudes likes it though
cheers on CPY
It was the same thing with Sonic Mania
They even delayed it so they could put denuvo on it
cuz it's annoying enough to take some days to crack off
cuz it's annoying enough to take some days to crack off
cuz it's annoying enough to take some days to crack off
cuz it's annoying enough to take some days to crack off
cuz it's annoying enough to take some days to crack off
👀
Someone lagged
Im interested in purchasing WoW, whatre some things i should know?
You have friends playing wow?
Sadly no, I really like how the game plays and im interested in getting into the community .
I am pretty much coming into it fresh
these damn mosquitos
If I purchase Battle for Azeroth, do i also get the prior expansions?
Yep @proud dove
how do i make friends ingame?
you talk
you make friends
@spice thistle Joker got cancelled
There was no direct this month
lemme find it
If its not a direct dont believe it
lululu
You jnow you are getting in a weeb level when you begin understanding jap withoyt subs
kek
Like I wanted to try it
Activated succ in front of tree
Villager thinks I'm being stupid and cuts it
Dead from middle of stage
I don't play villager but trees hit hard
Yeah just googled it, tree cut can kill at 60
Mind you mii swordfighter can true combo confirm at 50% iirc so
People sleep on the mii fighters tbh
Maybe not gunner but swordfighter and brawler are both incredibly strong
Yeah they’re pretty good, I never see anyone main them
Like Swordfighter's FS is pretty shit
but like
imagine going against a character with literally an unpredictable movese
you can dodge Swordfighter's kill confirm but not if you don't know it's coming
does any1 know where i can watch dbs: broly?
on the cinemas
yeah
Man this anime is getting good
Ohshite
I would actually try it just out of morbid curiosity
i thought you couldnt eat the outside of the pineapple
i approve of this 
probably just a joke really. You would probably need to cut off the outside edge before eating (and of course the top). If the slice is from the middle then the rest is probably fine.
And with skin?
Everything is edible if you're insane.
...
Tell me I'm wrong.
You are wrong
Psh
I think you mean if you're hungry enough @spring heath
get a graphics tablet 😃
I already have one
hmm, then try adobe flash or illustrator with it
I can draw ok, I just don't know how to photoshop
well, youtube can teach you. but your drawings would be sweet in vector graphics rather than bitmaps
?
google bitmap vs vector
honestly thats a different problem
you see
I saved it as a screenshot on my iPad and thus the vector quality went away
aaa
because I didn't want to export yet since I'm not done
still gonna shade and stuff
tbh i doubt that anyone can draw very good in photoshop, it is more for image manipulation in my opinion
I have a color variation for void elf and Twilight harbinger
I already started shading the hair
its my profile picture rn
its good work, have you considered doing 2d animations or icon packages for Unity3D asset store? you could make some money.
you will do well!
👏 Good luck with your artistic career!
Hair styles are hard
Is the giveaway over at wowhead site?
@valid citrus not yet
Metro Exodus is becoming an Epic Games Exclusive
Ok?
Honestly I don’t blame them
Even if they sell 70% of normal sales (I think, using my mediocre math skills), since epic takes far less of a cut, they will make a LOT more money
Now epic just needs to provide a better store front experience
and maybe add achievements
People on reddit are pissed, but this is actually very good for the consumer assuming epic can improve their store significantly over the next 3-4 months
If epic can successfully compete with steam, we will begin to see more money for devs on both platforms, better curation by valve as to what gets on steam, and hopefully lower game prices
We might also get store front innovation
The big difference between the epic store and all the other attempts to compete with steam is that epic has tons of money, which means they might be an actual threat
and maybe even sequels to games Valve made in the past
Sorry for noob question but if i use raid finder is it like dungeon finder and i have never been in raid so what i should know before?
It is the same as the dungeon finder but for raids, they have lots more players and stronger bosses with more mechanics than dungeon bosses, it also takes a bit more time as well
Read the dungeon journal
From that Dragon Ball Ultra fan series where Shaggy is the past Grand Priest xf
Gods
Check out 10 minutes straight of Metro Exodus gameplay. Will Metro Exodus Finally Take Metro Mainstream?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTavkjtq93w Metro E...
And i consider myself a really bad player
rip hatbot again?
Yea, it's unreliable.
I enjoy lining up clips from model viewers into these neat gifs
XD a while ago I pulled this off so flawlessly
I'm still proud of my idea
you should do it with Garrosh's model @visual pulsar
it's significantly more entertaining
i approve of snek
🦀 Alliance welfare gear is gone 🦀
only on us
tbh since it went with patch and totally unannounced idk if this is intended
wouldn't be shocked either way
I hate online smash sometimes
What I want is intelligent fights, what I get is special spamming idiots
are you in the elite?
I grasped it
Shit
God ok as long as he doesn't get offstage incineroar is hot
I was 5mil gsp when i quit
Farming this DK
OK so
revenge DK's spike and punch
clothesline
roll to down smash
shame I can't taunt to disrespecy
you can tbag
oof
GSP is shared
Ah
Y'know
I'd forgotten what the sound of a neutral spamming pikachu sounded like
And now I wonder how I ever forgot
in the bin with you
thankfully against that sort of person you can deploy the dedede move that works on people with more than a 2 second realisation time
up b off the screen and drop on them
dededeleted
weird
it isn't mean to be mortal
I got into a habit of baiting DK off stage to bait out a spike attempt, and then counter into side b ezgameezlife
Even with a warlock punch it won't kill ya
But for some reason
Counter keeps slo-moing like it kills
It doesn't
Really throws me off
anyway heading off to bed on a high note
hammer repeatedly applied to electric mouse
hammer applied to waifus
hammer applied to ape
sadly I couldn't get a jet hammer kill but game insists on matching me against zero suits or putting me on brinstar depths
god hat map is awful
why slap me?
So you can be fixed
did ganondorf really need a buff ?
deep problems
Damn all my mains got buffed
PSA: Playing as Piranha Plant in Smash Bros. Ultimate’s All-Star Mode can corrupt save data https://t.co/eJ2IIydgOg
588
707
Don’t play Plant in All star or you’ll break your save
gonna play some later today
need more practice on shulk and ices
doubtless going to go up against constant plants
May end up getting a gamecube controller again
60% of my deaths are due to misinputs
Don’t play Games or More at all right now
Apparently several characters are causing save corruption
Just stay away from that set of game modes
And make sure you are backing up your data
Check out Piranha Plant's three snappy Victory Poses! Remember you can select which specific one you want to see by holding Left, Right or Up on the d-pad af...
About the giveaway, it says my email e not valid even tough it is valid
Check out Palutena's Guidance Easter Egg for Piranha Plant in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate! To activate it yourself, head to Palutena's Temple as Pit, then tap...
I got the game pass :v
Weak
u
No u
X)
No me
yeah community is a mess right now because the devs are fucking up bug fixes
they really need a ptr
isn't this cute
no
y no
Its a pikman though, wouldnt they need more water than normal
actually water kills red pikmins
Oh wait shit it is lol
I... didn't know that
_>
mfw auronplay
whats wrong with him m8 >:c
Hah
So I see that we have guild recruitment, so what is the difference with Discord recruitment.. even when it’s a wow related discord
Thank you I will ask
@frosty tundra Sas plz stop pinging me in the giveaways, you're giving me so much hope and hype and then you break my heart again
it was on sponsored page via facebook
here are my mmos i played long before i started wow more than a year later (jan 2017)
here's now
mmos i played during 2015: ran online, ragnarok online, phantasy star online 2, ran online, rf online, wakfu, trove, wildstar
mmo i played during 2019: world of warcraft
warcraft destroyed my tendency to play other mmos
i'm stuck at one mmo since 2017
found a game called Ravenfield
It's absolutely mad
100s a-side game like battlefield only it's all bots
planes, gun batteries, tanks
It's deadass battlefield with extra chaos and singleplayer
so pre-2010 battlefield games?
./shrug
True or not that's fkin hilarious
I drew some mount concept art, it uses the basic animations and skeleton of a hawkstrider/golden lotus crane
It’s a beautiful Peacock mount
is that just a glorified version of the vicious hawkstrider
He looks fabulous
Thanks
I think the tail should extend when idle, and the mount special should be it closing the tail and very dramatically fanning it open like how a peacock does in real like
Life*
Please stop pinging that same message.
What same message?
🤔
left
2-2?
im not that big eater
cheese
I can add cheese on the outside for extra extra cheese
ah
I thought you meant
4 cheese pizza or 4 pepperoni and salami pizza
lul
as in, 4 pizzas
pepperoni
more flavour
The pizza has peperonni, salami, ham and herbs
while the other has creem cheez, mozzarella, cheddar and the other
@spice thistle Meat. Always meat.
I don't get it
What is the flavor difference between salami and pepperoni
I can't feel it
at least when either isn't just cheap
pepperoni is spicier
Pepperoni is superior
Auronplay is going to be my animal spirit
We want meat
Literally everytime my friends and I order pizza they always ask me the same question and I just respond with
"meat"
engulf the whole pizza like a taco
like if you could replace the cheese with meat
that's optimal
the bread too
and ya know what
get rid of that sauce
just all the meat
A pizza of meat made of meat?
Reminds me of the meat salad made with meat with 100% meat
ok kirby
you think I joke
... sometime this week I'm gonna make some shredded taco chicken in the crock pot and make chicken tacos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6g0mPo-uJM literally me.
~~ I've reuploaded this video in 1080p60fps. I'd highly recommend it for the quality and better framerate over the sub-30fps in this one. Get to it from the ...
Yes
My husband prefers thin because 'less bread more toppings'
Reminds me of that chapter of Kitchen Nightmare
We ordered a pizza and put on the extra instructionsto "Murder this bitch with meat" as we put every single meat on the menu there
Omfg xD
There was more meat than cheese on that pizza
when gordon goes to a pizzeria and when he orders the "thin crest" the pizza's bread is fucking huge
was 30 bucks and so fucking worth it
what the fuck
did the people that make the pizza see drake and josh?
the pizza is supposed to have cumin and it has cinnamon
listening to a sick beat
In general the site can be resource intensive, but a refresh usually clears it up for awhile. It usually takes some time to get cumbersome but it depends on the machine.
Yeah, I mean, it is normally not that resource eating but since i was on the stream page opened
guys should i get dolby atmoz
why
I have headphones of those big ones
They Buffed Incineroar's recovery
how
More vertical and more horizontal
tbh it was kinda needed
incineroar is insanely strong but you just cannot go off stage
fuckin hell as if he needed that
inkling and krool got nerfed
is that just to
oh no
how
if they messed with the woomy
they will face the doomy
Krool's neutral b has a short limit
oh well fuck k.rool what about inkling
and the hit box is smaller
eh. hitbox wasn't such an issue with roller
bury was though
guess confirmed side smash ain't a thing
could always inf jab off it instead and get full ink value
...
mm?
yeah I don't get it
The new patch Ver. 2.0.0 for Smash Ultimate is here bringing us balance changes, the new character Piranha Plant and even patch notes by Nintendo (how crazy ...
speak to me in words what you mean
ah ok probably for the best
alright that's not so ba
generally don't go for roller confirms til later percentages so whatever
Up special, neutral special and bury change makes K.rool a lot less cheesy to go against
||Never gonna give you up||
||Never gonna let you down||
||Never gonna run around and desert you||
||👌||
Wolf got me
To be fair
My guildie got me first
i swear this || spoiler || thing is going to be a mess
Sopiler
no u
how dare u
Following the instructions posted when they begin.
?
there is very clear cut instructions in the giveaway channel
you just have to scroll up
This giveaway already ended, I'm working to finalize winners.
I want to win cries
@frosty tundra I really wish I could add a reaction just for your 'get there eventually' remark.
Me going unconscious on the keyboard? 😄
You'd think 'Following instructions' is something you need to progress from kindergarten/first year.
Unlike the Beta Key ones, I have to wait for Steel Circus/Oasis to verify registrations, lol, so more steps for me. Yah!
Hugs and props, man.
offers cappuchino
A game, that's also described with trailers and links in the giveaway channel (at the top). 😄
is it a requirement for every giveaway or a temporary partnership?
temporary partnership it seems like
Definitely one time thing.
We will have a giveaway next week with similar requirements, but different game/company.
inb4 nintendo
inb4 EA
g e t
t r i g g er e d
I mean its accurate to her personality
coughs
Too much?
Unsure
X)
Prolly yeah too much
I don't think spoiler tag will affect our rules tbh
I just deleted it just in case



