no-wow-discussion

[opaque basin]

<cry on Mei's shoulder>

[exotic sun]

thank you :>

[lusty jungle]

What if drawing is a cure?

[opaque basin]

Not for influenza, it's not

[young frigate]

pats the @opaque basin gentle

[spice goblet]

pats the @young frigate and @opaque basin gently

[young frigate]

@cerulean folio eyyyy I know that art! that's from cranity, yeah? 👀

[glossy nebula]

Anyone know if there's a way to set discord so that it notifies me if someone PMs me? I've always had them turned off and want to prepared on the off chance I win

[frosty tundra]

You need to make sure the server itself isn't muted, by right clicking the server icon on the left. Then you'll want to make sure the 'Important Stuff' and '#sweepstakes' category/channel are also not muted.

[obsidian crag]

Such wonderful people :)

[copper granite]

Is it known already for EU which bosses are this week at Mythic Violet Hold?

[edgy matrix]

Hey anyone knows if they moved the TW WOTLK vendor from old Dala i can't find him 😦

AH nvm its cata tw silly me 😛 soz

[rocky minnow]

https://www.ubisoft.com/en-gb/event/world-in-conflict-giveaway/

Free gaim from Ubisoft

[tidal viper]

Fun game

[stoic night]

A good pepperment beb.
Its about time gw2 had mounts

[unreal bluff]

HHHHH FOX AND DISNEY ARE MAKING A DEAL

[exotic sun]

what

[unreal bluff]

MAYBE WE CAN FINALLY GET X-MEN IN MCU

NERDINESS INTENSIFIES

[young frigate]

it's real funny how the only people I ever see complaining about blizzard's customer service are the ones who get suspended for violating ToS and fail to get the suspension repealed

"wahhhh it's all an automatic system no-one will listen to me wahhhhhh"

like boi blizzard CS has some of the most in-touch and helpful customer service reps I've ever had the pleasure of addressing my problems with

[spring heath]

^

All the GMs and Customer Service members who have assisted me through my years of playing WoW have always been super cool and funny.

But I'm also very respectful, polite and nice. I don't act like an entitled shitass.

[young frigate]

I think my worst crime is asking for a joke almost every time I need to get in touch for something 😹

[spring heath]

lol

sigh

Oh, I didn't even have to ping one.

Cheer

[timber crag]

Fastest fingers in the west!

[spring heath]

Pew pew

[merry egret]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlsCjmMhFmw

[neon hinge]

Oh, already?

[lusty jungle]

Why are some folks mad at you tube rewind

[warm snow]

On that note of customer service, tis' a shame when you have your own account, but your old account you used to share with your sister under her name back in BC/Wrath, can't be merged, she even stated over and over she doesn't want the account, but blizzard is like "maybe she does"

had plenty of neat stuff on there that i want, but what isn't mine isn't mine, well, name-wise anyway.

and yeah, blizzard is really on-point with how they approach people with various issues, they rarely if ever have issues, and in my case, they were moreso disappointed that they couldn't help because of TOS issues like account sharing (although it was fine back in the day because i was not a adult when i last used her account, and back in BC/Wrath i was still in my early teen years), kinda makes me wish i was still a kid, so we could work something out.

[lusty jungle]

hmm interesting

If she has those old school epic mounts..

But I thought people could merge those account I know there was a brisk trade in them at some point

[warm snow]

she has some interesting items, she might have a few epics, i was more of a casual dungeoneer, she was a top raider.

i used to sit there and ask her for gold once in a while, not knowing how hard it was to get a decent amount of gold back then

and just squandering it

to be a kid.

I mean i asked, and their response was just "no, it can't happen because the accounts aren't under the same name, sibling or not, even if you used to share it when you were younger"

every account is tied to the name it has, regardless of who used it or not, that name is solidified, understandable, just wish i could see the future to know that we should've went with using my name, but, lets be honest, kid me just wanted to play wow and it was cheaper to share a account with my sister

[lusty jungle]

Did she ever contacted them on your behalf?

If account is in her name, she needs to reach out to blizz and explain situation.

[warm snow]

its their TOS, and they'll fight it.

[lusty jungle]

You would be be surprised

Yes, they will not do it under your request fo sure.

But it sounds like you never actualyl had HER contact them, be preparedd to need to jump thru hoops like provide her RL ID to verify etc etc

[warm snow]

but i mean, just going off of real ID, i don't know if proving were siblings is really enough, isn't it stated that regardless of being a sibling, you can't account share, ever.

when your adults*

[lusty jungle]

It is not sharing.

Ok, I am telling you that having her contact them and explain the situation might be worth the shot. Worst case scenario you will be in same position you are right now

Yes iti s her which is why they will listen to her about it, and not you.

[warm snow]

I understand where your coming from, and i could try it, (if she could be bothered to help me with her account), but like you said, it could yield the same result anyway, not to mention i have characters on my account that are on the same realm, therefore if we merged, just saying if, there would be no room for her account anyway.

[lusty jungle]

What? no that not how merge works. You can have multiple (up to 8 Ithink?) "warcraft" accounts under same "battle.net" account.

each warcraft account can hold (as of right now) 12 characters per realm

[warm snow]

Yeah, but her account is draenor and mine is legion, i'm not paying a whole nother subscription for her account.

[lusty jungle]

Ah yes

[warm snow]

having two accounts was never my intention, and if two accounts are under the same b.net i think you can account merge them.

not 100% on that

[lusty jungle]

but you could buy a token for a month and login to her account to unlock mogs/mounts etc

mogs, mounts, pets, collection things are battle.net account wide.

[warm snow]

Hmm true, depends if they let me have her account, i'm not a big gold maker, so buying a token would be out of there, probably would just pay for a month, hopefully, that means those items are worth, i'm more interested in the toys personally, the mounts are neat, but those toys though.

[lusty jungle]

Right. Characters have pretty little value by themselves. It is collective mounts / pets / toys / mogs.

[warm snow]

the only thing that holds weight on those chars is the achievements

[lusty jungle]

The only thing I can think of that valuable on character if they have super rare crafing patterns

[warm snow]

she just has old raiding sets and what not, she was a enchanter and tailorer i think back in BC/Wrath

[lusty jungle]

achievements are kinda iffy. Becasue many of them are "per character" but they also show up account wide with little annoying "achievement not earned by XXXX" on mouse over

[warm snow]

eh

who cares about achievements anyway, its all about those cosmetic toys

and mogs*

[lusty jungle]

The most valuable WOTK toy I think is simian sphere

(monkey in a ball)

Since it is BOP and random rare trash drop

[warm snow]

so she has some nice draenor items too

not to mention if that achievement for flying was b.net in draenor, that would be greaaaat

cause i don't have flying on my account

what a pain

[lusty jungle]

I think they are going away with those in 7.3.5

Not sure

[warm snow]

that would be nice.

[lusty jungle]

Right now MoP is major pain unless you get lucky and buy that stupid bmah book

[warm snow]

ehh

MoP ain't so bad.

you a big farmer?

[opaque basin]

The achievement for flying in WoD? Where do you get that? I've read nothing about it D:

[warm snow]

exploring all the areas

by foot

wait, theres more too it

i think

its called draenor pathfinder, gotta get like five different achievements

thats involving actually going through the campaign of draenor and all that aswell.

i think i had four of them and i got the achievement anyway for some reason, they cut one but kept it on there perhaps, i totally forget.

[opaque basin]

I know what Pathfinder, I was asking where have Xenon sees that it would get away with 7.3.5

[warm snow]

Ah.

[lusty jungle]

@opaque basin https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20759617864

But I am not on PTR so not sure if that applies to WoD pantfinders

[opaque basin]

Interesting

I doubt it for WoD tho', as it's not a skill to bought but an achievement. (I hope I will be surprised!)

[lusty jungle]

MoP flying is pretty darn pricey

not having to pay that would be swell

[warm snow]

i'd rather pay then do all the achievements necessary for draenor, that was a bother, but who quests in draenor anyway

cough -uses exp potion-

[opaque basin]

I need to do it one day for the associated mount.

But guuuh

Boring

[lusty jungle]

I am missing claw farming mounts from WoD.. Also I need to join a guild that has guild boar mount

[obsidian crag]

Sunset in Teldrassil :/

[young frigate]

those sweet polygons,,

[forest fable]

Edgy mailman

[spring heath]

The red elf...?

[forest fable]

Exactly

I don't understand some of these TRPs sometimes

[spring heath]

Eh, I've seen some... interesting ones.

Like a satyr who I'm pretty sure was into abduction rp.

I mean... to each their own as long as you're not being an ass to other people OOC.

[fallen nexus]

Thoughts?

[fresh osprey]

that hat is comically small

normally i get sick of the christmas hats, but that one is funny, so i approve!

😄

[frosty tundra]

-gasp- You don't like the new bot/channel? 😄

[spring heath]

I have it muted and condensed. >.>

[young frigate]

that's adorable, @fallen nexus

[fallen nexus]

Thanks!

😂

[spice goblet]

That hat is way too big for Slenderman.
Slenderboi is in the christmas spirit. http://prntscr.com/hk63tq

[barren stone]

With PayPal; is someone able to withdraw/cancel their payment a minute or two after paying?

[frosty tundra]

I think so? If it hasn't been claimed? Been awhile.

https://www.paypal.com/us/smarthelp/premier/article/can-i-cancel-a-payment-that-i've-already-sent-faq637

[barren stone]

Ah, yeah I haven't used it before, but I've been caught up in a bit of a dare.
They say they will pay me if I send a pic of me doing something, just making sure they can't withdraw the payment after they've got the picture

[frosty tundra]

You could send an invoice to them first, they pay and then you're obligated to give them what they paid for (which you describe in the invoice).

"pic of me doing something" doesn't sound suspicious at all tho 😛

[barren stone]

It is

Thanks!

[neon hinge]

Totally not suspicios, not sure why are you saying that Sas

[novel tiger]

👀

[young frigate]

http://tixiij.tumblr.com/post/167140778972 I love... alexstrasza...

[lusty jungle]

Suspecious in what way? Many people get paid of pictures/vidoes of them doing something it is multibillion industry

[timber crag]

How do I enter the giveaway? I can't click on the 🎉

[near iron]

this emote LOL

[strong quail]

Hmmm. The offical deck for Fire and Ice mages was updated, removing alot of the ablity to freeze eneimes in favor of taunt elementals and just straight up elemental power houses

I think I'll stick to my current one, though I'll toss in a ruby spellstone

[hardy phoenix]

Gotta love mobile games and a lot of copied characters

[slate pasture]

Any Affliction Warlock Players out there?

[brave knot]

heres a meme for yall

from watcraftmemes on twitter

im not taking ownership of it, just reposting bc its funny

[misty drift]

Seems legit

[waxen stump]

Anybody know what the sound ID is for that squeaky toy noise in Krazzworks?

[fresh osprey]

holy shit the nintendo announcements at the game awards

the zelda dlc pack 2 is out now

bayonetta 1 and 2 for switch in february (1 game with both in it)

and bayonetta 3 in dev for switch

so excited

[neon hinge]

Oh

Is that happening?

Bayonetta 3

[fresh osprey]

Yes

No date but it being developed was announced

Honestly, Bayo 1+2 for Switch is such great news too

[young frigate]

nintendo is killing it lately

[fresh osprey]

They remembered how to print money

[spice goblet]

Nintendo is doing better than EA, that's for sure

[young frigate]

I think everyone's doing better than EA

[spice goblet]

true

[neon hinge]

Not a hard work.

[timber crag]

omae wa mou shindeiru

[sly garnet]

well even the korean mmo lineage 2 is doing better then EA

[brittle pasture]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ge53QaDpKQ

why is old music so great?

also when we will be like 80-90 years old, will we look at justin bieber and say his music was great?

[young frigate]

no

[spring heath]

lol

[opaque basin]

"Why is old music so great ?"
I guess because the only ones we listen are songs that passed the trial of time already ? And the less quality fhings (old Bieber if you want) have been forgotten

It's a supposition

[young frigate]

music has probably always been on the same level of quality on a whole, we just never remember the bad stuff because it's just... not worth remembering

[lusty jungle]

People think "old" music is great becasue they tend to associalte particular sngs with bright moments of their life, their youth

so you have olds talking aobut how great grdpa rock bands like metcallica and the likes are, etc

[neon hinge]

lmao nvidia

with titan volta

[fresh osprey]

thats not neccesarily true

i like music from the 60s-80s and i was not alive then

[ashen parrot]

you were reincarnated 😛

[fresh osprey]

for anyone who still plays, they just released 50 new pokemon and a weather system for pokemon go

[lusty jungle]

That last one looks like meeves from clerks

[earnest sky]

So uhh

You should all like, text 50409 with the word “RESIST” if you haven’t already

<_< flees

[unreal bluff]

Amazon seller named “yangzhougeleitishangmao Co Ltd”

Please tell me I’m not the only one who thinks that sounds like a series of Mogu raid bosses

[brazen berry]

Streaming some guitar if anyone is bored as I am www.twitch.tv/drockzoids

I'm not good though forwarned

[timber crag]

Am I just really dumb, or do heirlooms not get copied over to PTR?

[unreal bluff]

Tfw you hear there was a school shooting like 2 blocks away from your parents’ house

[wicked oar]

Folks

Some of you might ne able to help me sway idea from one side to the other

I'm getting a new mouse but I'm torn between a Razer DeathAdder Elite or a logitech g502

[neon hinge]

Is what I have

And I love it

[ashen parrot]

g700s user checking in....502 looks interesting.

[silver elk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLSezK6_N5w

when game devs give you the "screw game balance/stablity have fun"

also they really get the skaven/their playerbase

[neon hinge]

What do u mean? Swapped difficulties are just FINE!!

Very Easy being actually Very Hard? No problem at all

[ashen parrot]

meanwhile in King's Bounty, Normal mode means massive cheesefest

It's actually encouraged to skip to later areas to pick up stuff and make an army of dragons, then steamroll earlier content.

Also speaking of difficulty, whoever made the second expansion for Breath of the Wild is a sadist. Entire first part literally everything kills in one hit, including the platforming over spikes.

[zenith radish]

Can anyone help me with a gaming server name?

[gloomy herald]

Wooo! Won me a goody bag!

[spice goblet]

Hopefully EA is bankrupted at some point.

[sly garnet]

i wouldnt hold my breath counting on that

[neon hinge]

Same

[sly garnet]

it would be easier to win on the lottery even if its two million against one to get the high win ticket

[snow horizon]

I think that's just a random chain message

[neon hinge]

It is.

[young frigate]

http://aspectofadreamer.tumblr.com/post/119625670548 I love this...

[tidal eagle]

Why is there an * after the "anywhere" in the giveaway post? Is there any restriction for specific places?

[opaque basin]

@young frigate It's from Isei-Silva if you search the artist!

[young frigate]

ahh, I thought the style looked familiar, I love isei's work!

http://isei-silva.tumblr.com/post/73531338369/guess-who-got-hardcore-stomach-medication-that THERE IT IS

[opaque basin]

😄

To be honest, her and Rurukkat were two of the bigs inspirations that pushed me to try Draenei again

[opaque basin]

High quality drawing

Drawing with the flu: Bad idea

[young frigate]

hey, if it gets the idea across

[opaque basin]

Does it get the idea across?

[young frigate]

someone crying on someone else's shoulder?

[opaque basin]

Almost, I targeted most a tired hug of comfort

[opaque basin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQBHzzGrSPk

My playlist give me that at the same moment there's talks about kicking capitalism

@young frigate

1 or 2?

[snow horizon]

Meigender: 1

[opaque basin]

You're not Meigender, but you're allowed to say your preference too 😃

[snow horizon]

I like the 1st one a lot. Seems more relaxed i.m.o 😛

[young frigate]

@opaque basin I like the second one, it's a little more dynamic!

[opaque basin]

It's passionnate young ladies so more dynamic is more apropriate I think

And the relaxed one for after the wedding

[young frigate]

yeah definitely, there's more energy in that pose

[opaque basin]

Purple is probably whispering something like "heeey sexy" and blue try not to laugh in the middle of the dancing room

(also because she's standing only with purple's hand and it would be silly to fall for that)

(Recent characters, I love them both very much. Blue is a draenei from the Genedar, has seen Draenor and all that. Purple is a Lightforged. The drawing will be on Argus, a long time ago, when they were young)

[compact vortex]

i gotta say very much late but that draenei pally drawing is amazing ;-; i need to be friends with amazing artists

[unreal bluff]

Well don’t be friends with me then :’D

[unreal bluff]

me: "why the fuck is my laptop so slow"
also me: lets 5000 screenshots accumulate in dropbox folder

[spice goblet]

rip

[brave knot]

i didnt know overwolf had a wowhead plugin

[jagged tusk]

geez, 8k people registered for the rocket chicken.

[cedar cargo]

People want that Rocket Chicken

[sly garnet]

do not underestimate the power of a rocket chicken!

[quiet bear]

What do you think about the transition from an epic theme such as the last expansion to the classic war Ally vs. Horde?

[spice goblet]

you mean, the current expac, right?

[timber crag]

Movie tip anyone?

[opaque basin]

Like, what to watch right now?

[timber crag]

yeah?

series works aswell

[opaque basin]

Dunno, Brooklyn Nine Nine

Moana

[spring heath]

I love B99

[sly garnet]

godzilla (the japanese originals)

logans run

[young frigate]

thirding B99

[unreal bluff]

WildStar art

[lusty jungle]

What is so fascinating about b99

[spring heath]

It's funny. You don't have to like it but I do.

[lusty jungle]

I've never seen it, so I am just not sure what to expect. I don't think itsd on netflix

[spring heath]

Hulu

[drowsy wharf]

Playing XC2, look who I found

[sly garnet]

quick catch him before he eescapes!

[young frigate]

it's on netflix in the UK at least :V

[sly garnet]

pokes mei

[young frigate]

it's got a good sense of humour about it, the cast is engaging, the character development is- ow

why this

[sly garnet]

i have commited the gravest sin of all (according to my cats) i have, oh heresy of heresies... moved the computer

[young frigate]

how dare you

[sly garnet]

i know right? :d

i had to vacuum clean the old corner so i moved the computer

anyway what is it with cats and draging things under the tables?

[young frigate]

hoarding instinct

I guess

[sly garnet]

i found a sock that has been MIA for two months under the comouter desk

[opaque basin]

B99 is funny, it's on Netflix in France too so I would guess for the US too. Andre Braugher is a super actor, and I love Terry Crews anywhere anyway. I didn't know Stephanie Beatriz before, she's great too! I love all actors in B99, to be fair.

[opaque basin]

How would you write "My friend" phonetically in english, in a way that would make it look like a name?

[plush lake]

Mai Frend?

[neon hinge]

Mafred

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[opaque basin]

Maifred? I kinda like it, thanks=

*!

[sly garnet]

pokes inay

[forest fable]

Mah freenuhnd

[opaque basin]

Oh dear, I have been poked.

[sly garnet]

yus :d

[opaque basin]

Well, then, you'll have the pleasure to have me yell french song.

Because I can.

(Les fiiiiilles de joie daaaansent avec les voleeeeeurs /o/
A la Cour des Miracles, à la Cour des Miracles !
Mendiants et brigaaaands dansent la même daaaanse
A la Cour des Miracles, à la Cour des Miracles !
Puisque nous sommes tous des gibiers de potence !
A la Cour des Miracles, à la Cour des Miraaaaaaaaaaaacles

But because I'm generous, I also give you a link to a translation: http://lyricstranslate.com/fr/la-cour-des-miracles-court-miracles.html

[young frigate]

that's too many

[fresh grove]

Wow, The Guild costumes are on eBay for charity

http://m.ebay.com/sch/childsplaycharity/m.html?isRefine=true&isRefine=true&_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=&_mwBanner=1&_mwBanner=1

[neon hinge]

Hope they do well

[opaque basin]

I have a stupid question.

Do UK have a tradition of "dry saussage" (I don't know how to translate) something like that http://cache.marieclaire.fr/data/photo/w1000_c17/i14a/56176882.jpg
Or is it more a south food?

[neon hinge]

That's so spanish Kappa

Sounds like "curated" meat

idk about UK

[opaque basin]

Yeah, France, Spain and Italy, I'm sure with no shadow of a doubt that we have that. :p

(We did share food a lot, didn't we?)

[neon hinge]

Yup

[opaque basin]

I was at the Christmas Market sooner (u'know, the stuff with artisans and all) and I've seen (and tasted) blueberry-saucisson (your word is salchichón, right?)

It was

Eh... Special?

[neon hinge]

That's the word, yes

We have different variations though

[spring heath]

We have summer sausage, but I dunno if it's the same thing.

[neon hinge]

Like... not only "black"

[opaque basin]

Black ?

[neon hinge]

That's the blueberry one

[opaque basin]

Oh, I didn't know that one!

[neon hinge]

https://www.europafoodxb.com/product/dry-cured-blueberry-sausage-saucisson/

According to that

[opaque basin]

Oh okay, I did know that one.

I though it was another black.

What does summer saussage looks like Wolf?

[neon hinge]

I haven't eat saucisson in a while so I can't say for sure

[opaque basin]

I'm near mountains, so many variations here are with chesse.

[neon hinge]

Anything with cheese rocks

[opaque basin]

I know of a Corsican one where all the skin is black pepper

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/qJSWRDlHO00/maxresdefault.jpg

[neon hinge]

ah yeah this one

Spicy

[opaque basin]

<nod nod>

[neon hinge]

What does the seal means? Fact House? X)

[opaque basin]

"House made"

[neon hinge]

Aaaah

[opaque basin]

"Home made" rather

[neon hinge]

Handmade

[opaque basin]

That word

[opaque basin]

https://www.atelierdeschefs.com/media/recette-e2289-religieuse-au-chocolat.jpg

[opaque basin]

Maifred.

[lusty jungle]

What is that?

[opaque basin]

Maifred

Like, that their name

[barren stone]

Does anyone know of a free app that allows me to colour in a picture?
Like an adult colouring book but with your own images
I can only seem to find ones that remove colour

[neon hinge]

uhm

Paint? X)

[barren stone]

Does not seem to exist on the App Store I'm afraid!
I'm doing this stuff on IPad, PC is not set up!

There are a bunch that are like "hey you can colour in your sketches here for free!" I download it, see it costs $5 to unlock the colour feature, RIP

[young frigate]

@barren stone try Recolor?

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/aug/27/adult-colouring-books-app-recolor

I just googled "colouring book app" and found that

https://www.androidauthority.com/best-adult-coloring-book-apps-android-746447/ there's a guide for ones on android too

[barren stone]

They don't let me import my own photos, which is what I'm after!

Thanks though!

[lusty jungle]

http://colorscape.co/

[barren stone]

Almost!
Unfortunately it doesn't seem to have a filler feature (that paintbucket thing) and it causes outline of the imported photos to look very jagged, deleting the lines altogether in some cases, additionally it wants one to pay for colours, not sure why apps are so demanding of money!

I might just set up my PC and do my stuff on Microsoft paint/paint.net, that's all I need!

Just have to set up the monitor's colours correctly..

[lusty jungle]

Well I tried.

[barren stone]

And I'm thankful for that!
Thanks for the look!

[neon hinge]

Just have to set up the monitor's colours correctly..

Painful.

Also, how do you do that?

I've 3 monitors and they all show different colours lol

It's annoying

[lusty jungle]

http://pixiteapps.com/blog/tutorial-upload-designs-using-import-feature/

They need to be colour calibrated

Back in my days you used to attach a sensor to a monitor screen with a sucker, and run calibration software

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?A=details&O=&Q=&ap=y&c3api=1876%2C{creative}%2C{keyword}&gclid=CjwKCAiA9rjRBRAeEiwA2SV4ZTvkf7HGy2pohfAEPLKH0XB7K4tp6MZ7qfavUBn-jAGa39HlxytygRoCVo8QAvD_BwE&is=REG&m=Y&sku=1130967

[barren stone]

Pigment looks promising! Checking it out! Thanks!

Aha! This is perfect!
Awesome!

Thanks a bunch @lusty jungle !!

[lusty jungle]

Glad that worked

[opaque basin]

.. Do we, by any chance, have an astrophysicist here?

Or rather, would someone know a discord for worldbuilding so I don't come back bugging you every insomnia? x)

[young frigate]

it's not something you can google?

[opaque basin]

Some answers on Google confuses me, I wanted to ask for confirmation. (And I like hearing myself talk, a bit)

[young frigate]

'fraid the best I have is a year of biology

best of luck in your endeavours though

[lusty jungle]

What is your question Inay?

[unreal bluff]

@opaque basin I've dabbled. Can try to answer question

[lusty jungle]

Maybe the whole idea of astrophysics scvared the insomnia away, and morpheus now has them in his merciful clitches.

[spice goblet]

is that a matrix reference

[unreal bluff]

Uh, no, it's a reference to Morpheus, god of sleep

[spice goblet]

ah

[unreal bluff]

lol

[storm slate]

GTX 1070 TI STRIX or Gygabite 1070? :~ someone?

[neon hinge]

Strix

[storm slate]

kk.
Just payd it 😄 was reading about the strix

[timber crag]

http://www.epicbundle.com/article/game-for-free-assassin-s-creed-iv-black-flag

free game

[near oasis]

So when’s the best time to pop hero on trash for mythic antorus(raid)? Just looking to speed up trash pulls before resetting bosses

[lusty jungle]

I love owls, so strix for me, but I am happy with my 1050 for another year or 2

[keen bobcat]

what's up guys

[sly garnet]

the sky?

[fallen nexus]

🤔

[sly garnet]

no wait the moon! thats it! the moon is up

[cedar cargo]

No, its the univers before you

[neon hinge]

Death is up.

[rocky minnow]

Overwatch is patching right now

Winter Wonderland is going online

[icy spire]

Happy hanukkah for those who celebrate it

[unreal bluff]

Hanukkah present for my BFF

she was pleased

[timber crag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKLoNk9Do5s&feature=youtu.be

[sly garnet]

https://www.facebook.com/HarebrainedSchemes/photos/a.196871230381052.44782.160233320711510/1507414352660060/?type=3&theater

talk about old tech

[sly garnet]

err wrong channel sorry :d

[young frigate]

triumphant dooting 💀🎺

[lusty jungle]

Well done.

[opaque basin]

What is it?

[young frigate]

portfolio for my drawing module at university

[opaque basin]

Oh, congrats!

[lusty jungle]

How did your world building go Inay? Did you find atrophysics answers?

[opaque basin]

Didn't had time to work on it this week!

I just got home and haven't even eat yet haha

[plain warren]

https://www.humblebundle.com/software/vegas-pro-creative-freedom

Worth of buy

Just notioced this came out like 5hours ago

[neon hinge]

Sony Vegas tho

Does it crashes as often as usually?

usually = Vegas 9

I wish Adoble did soemthing like that haha

I'd buy that w/o any regret

[plain warren]

Often as usually?

i never had too many crashes with vegas after finding solutions from internet

[neon hinge]

Vegas 9 used to crash like.... a crazy amount of times

[plain warren]

got to admit eventho thats not nice thing to say, never had legit version of vegas till now due to pricing.

[neon hinge]

Same but that shouldn't affect the core

AFAIK the unlegit worked with keygen and blocking the host file

[plain warren]

Yea i didnt mean that "yarr" version it should have any issues with it 😛

[neon hinge]

Some versions had cracked dlls

I'm tempted, just for the lulz

To buy the bundle

Only software I know is Vegas though

[plain warren]

I think talking about "Yarr" is forbidden so lets keep it at this. i had sometimes Vegas freezing halfway during renders atleast

yea, il probably give these other keys away to someone

I had some legit MAGIX softwares but never had too much good to say about them

[neon hinge]

Guess I'll pass then

[plain warren]

Mmm

[violet knoll]

watching annies stream...

[frosty tundra]

Are you stalking me? 😛

[novel tiger]

Just saw new Star Wars movie - it's so incredible. Definitely worth waiting for

[sturdy karma]

i uh

bought tickets for during raid

my GM is kinda annoyed at me

[silver glen]

Sounds like the Force isn't with him

[spice goblet]

lol

[neon hinge]

😂 😂

[lusty jungle]

wasnt even aware there was a new SW film.

I did like Rogue 1 even thought everyone ____

[spice goblet]

hated it?

[silver glen]

I think he means that everyone -SPOILERS-

[spice goblet]

wat

[plain warren]

Everyone -SPOILERS- ?!?!

Dear god no , why you do this to me!

[spice goblet]

Everyone Dies™

[plain warren]

No. That is GOT spoilers

[spice goblet]

It's spoilers for WoW too

[unreal bluff]

APPARENTLY I'VE BEEN DOING LINEART THE SLOW WAY IN PHOTOSHOP ADFKALSDFJ;DLASJ;ASLG

I DON'T NEED TO BE SWITCHING COLOURS I CAN DO IT ALL IN BLACK AND THEN COLOUR OVERLAY

goes back to art

[plain warren]

😬

[lusty jungle]

WoiW spoilers that noone dies.

Voljin is gonan possesses thrall from his jar of ashes

[plain warren]

Thrall is Dreadlord

[lusty jungle]

thrall balls

[plain warren]

They are everywhere!

[lusty jungle]

So... You know, if undead can weaponise their plague for "death to the dead, and death to the living" scenario.. If Genn was smart, like really smart, he should tots worgenise the curse.

Since worgenisation makes humans immune to being valk raised

[fallen nexus]

@neon hinge and @plain warren - I did some digging around in the Vegas Pro 14 that's currently available on the Humble Bundle. I honestly say that picking up that version of Vegas is well worth it.

After digging around in the .exe to see how much Magix really changed what was previously Sony Vegas, I found out that they changed literally nothing.

They did away with the Sony branding, kept the Vegas name and slapped their own sticker on it.

Literally, the screenshot above was all of the Sony splash screens, still sitting right there in the exectuable files.

So if you are looking for the cheapest way to legally obtain a legitmate copy of Sony Vegas, this is the real deal.

[neon hinge]

Yeah, that's what u thought

I*

I'm still just way more used to Adobe Suit

[fallen nexus]

Magix was even too lazy to remove some of the Sony-oriented options.

At $20, this is hands down the most advanced video editing software you can get.

[neon hinge]

Well it'd either Adobe's, Vega and was it Red the third one?

I'll just thing about it, I still have a Fortnight to think

Think

[silver glen]

RNGesus blessed me 🙏

[plain warren]

Yea picked it up anyways :p

[timber crag]

Holy shit @silver glen

Looks sweet

Wait

Wrong person

LMFAO

[plain warren]

Hey did Blizz have winter sales yet?

Was thinking of Buying Diablo 3 + ROS to my friend during Xmas

[young frigate]

I don't think so, keep an eye out

[versed tangle]

Germany: An American covering recent Football Events in. Roll the Replay.

"Here we see Player X storming forwards, this is the last Goal for Germanys Victory! The Crowd goes silent."

Meanwhile the German rep looks at the American, clearly deeply offended. "Vhat was zhat supposed to mean? The KRAUT goes Silent? I vill show you Silent, you fat Hillibilly-Cowbo-"

-TECHNICAL ISSUES-

[timber crag]

Does anyone here have experience with eating disorders?

[spring heath]

Uhhh
What kind?

[unreal bluff]

*In the upper portion of the graphic, bundled internet appears for $54.99. In the lower, post–net neutrality world, internet service is divided into specific uses one can opt in or out of. The total price is $54.96. Khanna's graphic even appears to depict an option where that price could be even lower, if you use only one streaming service or social media network.

That this is shared as an argument for net neutrality boggles the mind. Many Americans don't use the internet for video, email, gaming, and social media. They could see serious savings if internet access were sold piecemeal like this.*

(Continuing the net neutrality discussion from #retail-wow)

Whereas those of us who play WoW? We'd save a mighty…4 cents.

Also, what about sites that aren't included in any of the packages?

[versed tangle]

Meanwhile in Europe

[spring heath]

Miscellaneous sites, mostly ones ran by creators (artists, writers, etc) will be slighted the most. Who is going to pay more for a package with a bunch of extra sites just to still be able to see the one site they want?

Big sites might be a deal but I would rather pay the $75 a month I do for internet alone and have everything open to me than have to pay individually for everything I might want.

[lusty jungle]

Heh, I would totally opt out of access to facebook/twitter/instagram etc if that meant lower internet bill

[unreal bluff]

Where's Wikipedia?
National Geographic? Tetrapod Zoology? Would all of WordPress fall under the "social" grouping? What about people who still use MySpace or LiveJournal?
Where is DeviantART on the list?

There's no way they can allocate every single site on the internet to a package

There are simply too many domains to register

[spring heath]

Open access is better than any kind of limitations.

[unreal bluff]

Random "how to mom a kid with autism" blogs, well, I guess nobody will ever be able to read them.

Unless the writers hire lobbyists.

I pay $15/month for WoW even though I don't play all of it. I don't mythic or PvP

But I like knowing that if I had a stroke and I suddenly WANTED to, I COULD

[lusty jungle]

So now FTC will be supervising providers?

[unreal bluff]

"We want LESS government supervision!"

Okay how does that work

You're just gonna expect ISPs to work under the honour system, kind of like how AT&T and T-Mobile fully disclosed all their secret data caps?

Oh wait

[lusty jungle]

Yes, the expectation is that Providers will have to disclose all that they do, and then FTC will decide if it is anti competiive or not

[unreal bluff]

So basically there will be MORE government oversight

[fresh osprey]

its all bullshit

its going to go to court

and its going to fail, because the FCC has to show that what they say is backed up by data and not politics

the data doesnt support their decisions

so it will be rejected or modified in court

the FCC claims that net neutrality has slowed growth and stopped investment

but those companies have given reports that 1, show they are investing more now then before Net Neutrality

and 2, they have said to their investors that Net Neutrality hasnt slowed growth

[unreal bluff]

I don't think Discord could have been created and grown to the size it is without net neutrality.

[fresh osprey]

the FCC has no ground to stand on for this decision

not to mention they are trying to outlaw states making their own net neutrality laws

which is very illegal

and will definitley be struck down in court

any power not given to congress is given to the states

its in the constitution

you cant say, we have no rules, and you cant make rules on this subject because we dont want them

it helps to prove this is politically motivated

i wouldnt be surprised if at some point Ajit Pai gets subpoenad to see if he was taking money from this companies on risk of possible corruption charges

because that is honestly my bet behind these decisions

[lusty jungle]

Did you see the skit he himself did?

[lime crystal]

I think people don't understand what the FCC says when they say Net Neutrality. So many people think that rules created by the FCC are law and that the FCC has the power to make these rules as they see fit. They were trying to fix a problem that was already litigated and handled by the court systems. In doing so they are making a much bigger barrier for entry to companies like Discord.

[fresh osprey]

FCC essentially is law

unless congress overrules what they say, FCC are law

they are a regulatory agency that is part of the executive branch

[lime crystal]

The FCC is not allowed to create law. The Congress is the only place that law can be created.

[lusty jungle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzHleu03fxY

[fresh osprey]

if they choose to regulate something a certain way, they can

[lime crystal]

Actually the House of Representatives is the only place law can be created.

[fresh osprey]

as long as it doesnt violate any laws maintained by congress

[lime crystal]

They have to have a law available to regulate.

[fresh osprey]

if there are no laws on X, a regulatory agency, can act upon X in rules it decides

[lime crystal]

That doesn't make it law though. It is interpretation and thus a rule.

[fresh osprey]

if X has laws made by congress, the regulatory agency has to follow those laws, but can still have its rules interpreted under those laws

[lime crystal]

Just like an Executive Order cannot be a law.

[fresh osprey]

it acts like a law

a cop has to follow it

and companies have to follow it

or they could have their licenses revoked

it is essentially a law

but again

the courts will most likely override it

at least in part

[lime crystal]

Net Neutrality is rule making, even according to the FCC, who voted 3-2 on the rule. The discentors (spelling?) even said that it was an overreach of the FCC powers.

[fresh osprey]

thats not my point

my point is that the FCC can make rules

legally

thats their job

until a law is made

[lime crystal]

There were already laws available.

[fresh osprey]

name one

there were bills

no action was taken

the FCC can repeal Net Neutrality

but their actions are required to be supported by data

it isnt

the data shows that Net Neutrality hasnt harmed companies

and has not stopped or slowed investment

[lime crystal]

Telecommunications Act of 1996, Pub. L. 104–104, 110 Stat. 56

That was used against Verizon in 2004.

[fresh osprey]

thats telephones

literally it is telephones

not the internet

from the FCC

[lime crystal]

That exact thing was used for them throttling services.

[fresh osprey]

:The Telecommunications Act of 1996 is the first major overhaul of telecommunications law in almost 62 years. The goal of this new law is to let anyone enter any communications business -- to let any communications business compete in any market against any other. The Telecommunications Act of 1996 has the potential to change the way we work, live and learn. It will affect telephone service -- local and long distance, cable programming and other video services, broadcast services and services provided to schools."

yeah

it says you have to allow competition

but that doesnt apply to internet

not data

internet

they can be separate

comcast doesnt use data

verizon does

it affects comcast and time warner and such

thats why net neutrality is important

Net Neutrality changes the internet into a utility

thats the biggest thing that Ajit Pai doesnt like

its what essentially means you cant throttle speeds for different sites because it is a utility not a service

the law you provided says nothing about competition between two services within the internet

comcast has a streaming service

if they want to throttle netflix to encourage you to use their servuice, you cant under Net Neutrality

without Net Neutrality, they can

there is no law

this is the purpose of classifying the internet as a Type 2 utility

this is the reason that it shows possible hints of corruption

because no data supports the idea of throttling helping competition

it does the opposite

it makes it more like a monopoly

and it limits freespeech

[lime crystal]

So, basically you are saying that rules didn't exist before 2014 about what could happen on the internet. Yet Comcast got sued and had to fix throttling in 2007 and Verizon in 2004. Here is the case and the laws used against Comcast: https://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/files/hart_v_comcast.pdf

[fresh osprey]

comcast has a phone service

also, that law is more about false advertising related to throttling

[lime crystal]

You are contradicting yourself.

[fresh osprey]

The suit alleged that Comcast is guilty of false advertising for advertising high speed service yet deliberately using technology to interfere with access speeds. The suit also claimed Comcast's actions violated established Federal Communications Commission policies on Net Neutrality.

again

[lime crystal]

Government in my area creates the monopoly of service.

[fresh osprey]

relies on net neutrality

[lime crystal]

Net Neutrality doesn't fix that.

[fresh osprey]

what monopoly is the government creating?

🙄

[lime crystal]

They have created a barrier of entry that makes it so that competitors can't enter the market.

[spring heath]

If the government would do something about monopolies like they're supposed to, that wouldn't be an issue.

[fresh osprey]

^

[lime crystal]

They made laws that make it so that the only high speed service provider comes from one company.

[fresh osprey]

no, they made laws to stop that

but the enforcement isnt being done

because a regulatory agency can just stop enforcing a rule if they want to

[spring heath]

Or get paid off to ignore it.

[fresh osprey]

^

thats where the possible corruption charges lie

[lime crystal]

There are 4 ISP for my area. 3 of them are 2MB or slower. Only 1 is allowed to have more than that. It is faster for me to use my cell phone service.

The local and state governments created this "monopoly".

[spring heath]

Net Neutrality being trashed isn't going to fix that though.

[lime crystal]

I never said it would.

[spring heath]

fair enough

[lime crystal]

This existed way before the internet.

[fresh osprey]

thats a different problem then

also, where do you live

state laws sometimes do this because states are allowed to take money from companies and make laws

[lime crystal]

Net Neutrality in and of itself is an overreach of power by an unelected group of people.

[fresh osprey]

how?

the courts ruled it isnt

so it isnt

[unreal bluff]

Sounds like Morrvahria and I are in a similar situation. I live in a small city that's amazingly diverse and high-tech due to having a major university here. And yet Comcast is the only one who can provide decent internet service to my house. They laid some fios cables since I moved in, so if I wanted to, I could get U-Verse at their lowest tier which would be roughly dialup speed.

[lime crystal]

Where is the court ruling that says it isn't.

?

I haven't seen this go to court yet.

[fresh osprey]

US district court of appeals

2014

wrong one

[unreal bluff]

I think the idea about removing Net Neutrality "encouraging competition" is that of course some companies would parcel out the internet and throttle some sites and allow others, then a new company would pop up that doesn't throttle anyone and they'd get all the business from people who don't want to buy multiple packages

[fresh osprey]

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/15/technology/net-neutrality-fcc-appeals-court-ruling.html

right one

[unreal bluff]

BUT HOW DOES THAT HELP IF THEY CAN'T SERVICE MY NEIGHBOURHOOD

[fresh osprey]

they could if your city wasnt being paid

[lime crystal]

Actually the courts in 2014 struck down the rules for "net neurtality". http://money.cnn.com/2014/01/14/technology/fcc-net-neutrality/index.html

[unreal bluff]

And how can they possibly include every single domain and site on the Internet in a specific package? New sites appear every day

[fresh osprey]

did you read the article

or even the sub heading?

A federal appeals court has struck down Federal Communications Commission rules that prohibit Internet service providers (ISPs) from restricting access to legal Web content.

but the point that is important is the classification of the internet as a utility and telecommunication

which has been held up in court

also

[lime crystal]

That didn't happen till after this ruling.

[fresh osprey]

the lawsuit

thats before the actual net neutrality rules by the FCC

[lime crystal]

In 2014 the FCC classified it as a utility.

[fresh osprey]

yes

[lime crystal]

In June, the ruling here happened in January.

[fresh osprey]

but the actual set of rules we now know as Net Neutrality

that didnt happen until mid 2015

parts happened

but the part related to this suit happened after

[unreal bluff]

"Encouraging competition" is such a specious motivation for stuff

[fresh osprey]

on purpiose

as a result of the suit

and again

the FCCs current rules are backed up by data

[unreal bluff]

Yeah I COULD, in theory, ignore Disney's monopoly on animation and sci-fi and superhero movies by launching my own studio to release my own media

[fresh osprey]

so if they want to change them, they need data that supports changing them

otherwise they legally cant

[lime crystal]

It says "A federal appeals court has STRUCK DOWN Federal Communications Commission rules THAT PROHIBIT Internet service providers (ISPs) from restricting access to legal Web content."

[unreal bluff]

But PRACTICALLY? I don't have the money to break into the industry

[fresh osprey]

yeah

earlier rules

from 2010

read the rfucking article

[lime crystal]

So, they created new ones after the ruling.

[fresh osprey]

The FCC adopted the regulations at issue in 2010, imposing so-called "Open Internet" rules that barred ISPs from blocking or "unreasonably discriminating" against Web content.

yes

which is 100% legal

you can create new laws that are different from old laws

[unreal bluff]

Another argument I've seen: "Well they only changed these rules in 2015, and it wasn't happening before, so clearly it wasn't a problem."

[fresh osprey]

The D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in Verizon's favor Tuesday. The court said that because the FCC had previously placed broadband Internet service in a separate regulatory category from phone service, it lacked the legal justification to impose the Open Internet rules.

now they arent in a different category

[unreal bluff]

the difference is between knowing what you can get away with

[lime crystal]

No, it wasn't or it wouldn't have been struck down. You are not understanding the issue here.

[fresh osprey]

it literally doesnt work under the current rules

read

[unreal bluff]

If they passed a law in my town that said "it is no longer illegal to climb telephone poles and jump off pretending you're Superman" I'd be like "it was illegal before?"

[lime crystal]

Yes, because in 2014 they created NEW rules.

[fresh osprey]

the different category means they can make new rules

[unreal bluff]

And then you'd have people doing it despite the fact they weren't interested before

[fresh osprey]

by reclassifying, the rules changed

also, why would you argue against net neutrality?

[unreal bluff]

Ugh, I need to stop putting off my shower, I'll be back later

[fresh osprey]

it benefits you

a lot

[lime crystal]

Tell me how it benefits me that I wasn't getting before the rule was made?

Nothing is different from 2003 to now.

[fresh osprey]

do you use netflix?

or HBO Go?

in 2003, those didnt exist

not in their current state

most of the modern internet didnt

[lime crystal]

My capability on the internet hasn't changed since 2003.

Is that more clear for you?

[fresh osprey]

you didnt answer my question

[lime crystal]

I do not use HBO Go. Netflix I do use, but if a service was provided solely by my cable company, I would use that instead.

[fresh osprey]

okay

well Netflix has some shows comcast or other services have no access to

under NEt Neutrality, the speed at which a netflix video loads is based on how good their hardware and software are

[lime crystal]

Okay, so what. Hulu has stuff that Netflix doesn't have. Should I get Hulu shows on Netflix?

[fresh osprey]

without net neutrality, that company could throttle netflix to encourage you to use their service

or they could block netflix completely

which censors free speech

now they are saying what you can and cant watch

maybe ATT is being paid by microsoft

[lime crystal]

Who cares, I am paying for a service. I am under a contract with that company. If I don't like their service then I go somewhere else.

[fresh osprey]

well microsoft wants you to use mixer not twitch

so they block twitch

now you cant watch it

but if all the companies do this, where do you go?

if they all throttle netflix for their own proprietary streaming service, what then?

also, while you may be able to switch, some people cant

many people in fact

[lime crystal]

You are basically saying that if King Kullen carries something that you like and Stop and Shop doesn't, then Stop and Shop has to carry that item too.

[fresh osprey]

no

[lime crystal]

Yes, you are.

[fresh osprey]

listen for 2 minutes

im saying that if X has a product

and you use your car to get there

[lime crystal]

Comcast has the facility used to get you to the internet. Netflix is using that facility to get to you.

[fresh osprey]

if your car charged you a fee everytime you used X instead of Y

yeah

netflix shouldnt have to pay the company

[lime crystal]

If Comcast decides they don't want to stock Netflix anymore, that is their perogative.

[fresh osprey]

im already paying the company

how>?

that violates free speech

they are blocking you from seeing content they dont like

[lime crystal]

How, they laid out all the copper for the service. Provide servers for you to use, all the support staff needed.

[fresh osprey]

thats the definition of censorship

netflix doesnt use that

are you this daft?

[lime crystal]

So, then you leave Comcast.

[fresh osprey]

netflix costs comcast nothing

literally nothing

[lime crystal]

Netflix costs them money?

[fresh osprey]

because it uses your internet

which you pay for

[lime crystal]

Yes, it most assuredly does.

[fresh osprey]

it costs them what you using the internet costs them

you are so fucking daft

comcasts sends you a stream of data

[lime crystal]

Especially since they have to increase the bandwidth provided, by laying out new systems.

[fresh osprey]

you choose where that data goes by typing in an addresss

[lime crystal]

You don't understand the costs needed to get to the internet.

[fresh osprey]

comcasts wants to save money by having everyone use less bandwidth

[lime crystal]

Your computer chooses the route based on routing tables.

[fresh osprey]

so they block non-proprietary streaming services

you are essentially saying that every company should get their own streaming service

or that i should have to pay comcast to use my netflix subscription

[lime crystal]

It is their business and they should be able to choose what they provide and don't provide.

[fresh osprey]

why?

the internet is no longer a luxury

[lime crystal]

Because they are not owned by the government.

[fresh osprey]

since 2003

the internet has changed

regulation doesnt mean owned by the government

[lime crystal]

It most certainly is a luxury. You can survive without the internet.

[fresh osprey]

really>

[lime crystal]

Yes, you absolutely can.

[fresh osprey]

so if you go to school, how do you do your research paper without the internet?

[lime crystal]

Go to a library and check out a book.

[fresh osprey]

how do you get to where you need to go without map data

[lime crystal]

Ummm... I know paper is hard.

[fresh osprey]

how about the news?

newspapers are dying

[lime crystal]

Use an atlas.

Read a news paper.

[fresh osprey]

yes, because an atlas is up to date

they do atlases everytime roads are closed and opened right?

[lime crystal]

They used to update them twice a year and they were pretty accurate.

[fresh osprey]

how about when theres an accident or construction?

what if theres a national emergency>?

how do you find out?

[lime crystal]

You listen to the radio for that stuff.

[fresh osprey]

fuck

you are in 1970

not 2003

[lime crystal]

You act like life would come to a grinding halt without the internet.

[fresh osprey]

it would slow the fuck down

[lime crystal]

So, what?

[fresh osprey]

the internet is where people have the freedom to express opinions

and find knowledge

the internet has become a place where i am able to find out something, and no one can tell me no

[lime crystal]

Knowledge didn't exist before the internet, i see.

[fresh osprey]

with net neutrality gone, internet companies could block you from seeing what happening in legal cases that didnt go in their favor

[lime crystal]

You are wrong.

[fresh osprey]

they could block ads from opposing companies

no im not wrong

under the telecommunications act, government sites and such get priority

but without being title 2, they are telecommunications companies

the amount of censorship theses companies would create would be insane

[lime crystal]

Give me one example that wasn't litigated in courts where this censorship you are talking about happened before 2014's rules?

[fresh osprey]

and again back to my first point, the data doesnt show that removing this regulation would create any sort of competition in the market

it didnt

because it wasnt specified

by revoking the rules

the FCC is saying that the internet is a luxury

which wasnt clear at that point

which is why it would do to court

[lime crystal]

I have been using the internet for more than 20 years. I haven't seen one difference between than and now, except speed.

[young frigate]

if y'all are gonna keep debating the law for another hour can you take it to PMs maybe

[fresh osprey]

and without the data i specified about, any changes the FCC makes arent legal

[lime crystal]

Did you even read the rule? It is 400 pages, a really easy read that is for sure.

[fresh osprey]

@young frigate this is offtopic

this is the purpose of offtopic

[young frigate]

it's offtopic but at this point it's just a back-and-forth between you two

[fresh osprey]

@lime crystal the FCC is required to provide data that supports changes in rules and regulations to enact those changes

[young frigate]

I feel like taking it to PMs would be the polite thing to do

[fresh osprey]

they have no such data, because all the data shows that the Net Neutrality rules havent cost these companies more money, have led to more investment, and have not caused any financial burden

[lime crystal]

There also isn't data that shows that Net Neutrality is the reason for more money being invested.

Verizon was bringing higher speed internet to the U.S. before Net Neutrality and would have continued without it.You are trying to conflate Net Neutrality as the reason for more investment, when it wasn't the reason.

[fresh osprey]

but data has to show that net neutrality is bad for buisiness

it doesnt have to show that net neutrality helped

they are saying it caused problems

when they data shows it didnt

[lime crystal]

Basically what we should do is just create rules and laws, if it doesn't affect anything then it should stay. Sounds great to me.

[unreal bluff]

@lime crystal you play WoW, don't you?

And use Discord

Probably also at least one on the list of Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr, deviantART, FurAffinity, Pixiv, and Wordpress

[fresh osprey]

yeah, what if the companies near you start charging a fee to play online video games

maybe $5 more per month

if you dont pay it, you cant play

then theres the $5 steam fee

and dont forget the $5 MMO fee in addition to the online game fee

and cant forget the $2.50 for downloading more than you allotted game download amount

plus who could forget the surcharge for using the internet during peak hours? Thats another $3.50

oh and dont forget, you want to change companies?

too bad this is the case for all of them

because no company is going to use the honor system

they want all the money, not some of it

in 2014, the amount of gb being used in the US was nothing compared to now

data amounts have increased massively

the FCC saw this happening and they saw the dangers that unregulated companies presented

[lime crystal]

Then I would got back to playing consoles.

[fresh osprey]

that uses the internet now

almost all games require downloads to run

when was the last time you got a game that ran out of the box?

what about that crash bug after 2 hours?

theres a bug fix

but you need the internet

and they of course will charge you a console gaming fee

[lime crystal]

Yeah, you are right, you know you are so smart. I guess that this can end now, because that would be a contract dispute between me and my service provider that could have been litigated in the courts before 2014.

[fresh osprey]

you brought that up remember?

[lime crystal]

You act like the government had to get involved. It was a solution looking for a problem.

[fresh osprey]

Hart v. Comcast

yes

i want the government involved

i trust them more than i trust companies

[lime crystal]

Which was litigated. Are you this daft?

[fresh osprey]

comcast is sleeze

ATT is sleeze

Verizon, Time Warner, sleeze

[lime crystal]

Create your own service and see how much it costs.

[fresh osprey]

if they werent regulated, you think they would do stuff that benefits you?

tjhey make money hand over foot

why do they need more?

they cant even spend it all

[lime crystal]

Even for a local service you would be out millions in a heart beat.

[fresh osprey]

it doesnt go to giving people raises

it goes in to the pockets of the top brass

[lime crystal]

Yeah, it doesn't.

[fresh osprey]

why do they need more money?

what do you think they do with it?

[lime crystal]

Because the government is making them pay more fees.

[fresh osprey]

no

[lime crystal]

YES!

[fresh osprey]

thats literally not true

fees havent increased

[lime crystal]

That is literally true.

[fresh osprey]

and also, you pay those fees on your bill

and again

they make tons of money

what do they do with this money?

what do you think they do?

[lime crystal]

How much do you think that Social security tax went up or the mandated federal health insurance.

[fresh osprey]

do they give lower level employees more money?

[lime crystal]

Those are fees that are mandated by government.

[fresh osprey]

they are not big fees

[unreal bluff]

"Then I would got back to playing consoles."

[fresh osprey]

not compared to the amount of money made

answer my question

[unreal bluff]

See, I could actually do that because the newest thing I own is a PS2…

[fresh osprey]

why do they need this money?

what do you think they do with it?

[lime crystal]

The people that I work for pay $200,000 in fees for $100,000 wage.

[unreal bluff]

Just play my PS2/PS1 and GameCube games

And sometimes N64 for a little variety

[fresh osprey]

oh no, 60% taxation

what horror

100,000 is a huge amount of money

[unreal bluff]

Neverwinter Nights doesn't actually require internet access so I wouldn't have to worry about that being slowed down

[fresh osprey]

what would you do if you made 300000 a year?

[lime crystal]

I don't make 100k. That is the base they used.

[fresh osprey]

yeah

you dont

[unreal bluff]

If I made 300K I wouldn't have student loans anymore LOL

[fresh osprey]

most people dont

[unreal bluff]

I'd own a house

[lime crystal]

I would probably pay off my home.

[fresh osprey]

do you know why?

[unreal bluff]

And…then I guess I'd give the rest to charity?

[lime crystal]

Then bank it for my kids.

[unreal bluff]

Th'hell am I gonna use all that money for XD

[lime crystal]

Maybe go on a vacation every once in a while.

Buy a nice non-used car.

[fresh osprey]

you dont make 100k because all that money that could be used to give you that money is going to pay more money for the 1%

[lime crystal]

I would probably then turn it into a side business too.

[fresh osprey]

yeah

thats how capitalism is supposed to work

but these companies take their huge incomes

and distribute it to the top brass

who put that money in big banks

[lime crystal]

If by 1% you mean the federal government, because that is who I work for then hey I want my money back.

[fresh osprey]

and then it sits there

it doesnt go back into the economy

and so they government then has no money to give you

[lime crystal]

It definitely does go back into the economy.

[fresh osprey]

government has to tax to pay you

if they lower tax rates, there is less money to pay you with

[lime crystal]

The bank invests it to ensure that they can give out loans.

[unreal bluff]

"Trickle-down economics! Because trying the same thing we've tried before and hoping it works differently this time DEFINITELY doesn't make us insane."

[fresh osprey]

except they invest it in loans

that wont neccesarily pay back

or loans that go to big buisiness

who give it back to the bankls

so it never reaches the hands of the middle class

i make $11.50 an hour

which sucks

i cant buy anything nice with this

[lime crystal]

It most definitely does make it to the middle and lower class.

[fresh osprey]

no it doesnt

trickle down doesnt work

[lime crystal]

Trickle down isn't an economic theory.

Economies of scale show that it does make it to the lower and middle class.

[unreal bluff]

Yeah, it's an economic pile of horse shit they put a cherry on top of and tell us it's a 3-course dinner.

[fresh osprey]

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these companies are slime

they want all the money

if you make $100 million dollars

you literally cant spend all of it

[lime crystal]

Okay, so don't do business with them. That is the invisible hand of the markets at work.

[fresh osprey]

yes

because when a company offers a product that i can afford and no other company offers that

i should stop paying for the thing i need

fucking economics in this country is a mess

[lime crystal]

If you take every single cent the Waldon's made and give it to the employees of Walmart, do you know how much more they would make?

[unreal bluff]

"Okay, so don't do business with them. That is the invisible hand of the markets at work."

[fresh osprey]

the middle class and lower class are being taxed too much

[unreal bluff]

HOW DO I NOT DO BUSINESS WITH COMCAST WHEN THEY'RE THE ONLY ISP THAT COVERS MY STREET

[fresh osprey]

and the upper class have too much money

a lot more

[unreal bluff]

Do I just…not have internet access? Is that how it should work?

[fresh osprey]

walmart employees make nothing

[lime crystal]

That is a government problem like mine.

[mystic dune]

net neutrality is dead too

[fresh osprey]

but they could still make a massive profit and pay everyone $15 an hour

at walmart

but they dont

because they like having so much money

[mystic dune]

Everyone get ready to pay more