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unreal plover
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Yep periodic table

serene nova
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Yea

ashen parrot
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chemistry loves using the metric system and if you're measuring out X grams of sodium to create a nice fizzy "explosion" it'll probably stick pretty quick

versed pebble
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helps I had a great chemistry teacher, "Everything you need to know about chemistry starts with how things blow up" followed by a large bang that sets off the fire alarm and gets the police called...

inland rain
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lol thatss great

unreal plover
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Nice

serene nova
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Hehe

versed pebble
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I guess thats why I love mythbusters so much huh?

serene nova
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Well we never know what the future holds the world will keep progressing some day Maybee who knows

ashen parrot
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lol that is pretty amazing

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incidentally

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my chem teacher did something pretty similar apparently - not with my class but it's school lore.

versed pebble
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I hope the new Mythbusters is actually good...

serene nova
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I've played with sodium before in my swimming pool >.>

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just tossed it in lol

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Then again I'm a tad crazy

versed pebble
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right, brb, gotta finish my show

inland rain
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I dont get it, its just salt

serene nova
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I have a big jar of mercury

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The metal sodium or was it something else

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Reacts violently with water

inland rain
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no thats not sodium lol

serene nova
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I don't remember half this crap I'm getting old

inland rain
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sodium is basically just table salt

ashen parrot
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you're confusing sodium and sodium chloride @inland rain

unreal plover
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Mythbusters is great

ashen parrot
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sodium the element reacts violently with water

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sodium chloride is one of many salts.

unreal plover
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Remember when they did the zombie one?

inland rain
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ah true I was wrong @ashen parrot

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NaCl is salt

serene nova
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I think blizz could supply the world with salt from the wow comunity

ashen parrot
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Overwatch*

inland rain
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lol

mystic dune
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put potassium in water ๐Ÿ˜‰

serene nova
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That too

versed pebble
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funnily I canpoint to a few communities more salty than WoW's

ashen parrot
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the "roadhog sucks" circlejerk alone produces plenty of salt

mystic dune
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Potassium in water: how to lose limbs.

serene nova
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I only really play mercy or zen or ana

neon hinge
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Roadhog pretty much sucks tho

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That's why they're touching him again

versed pebble
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anyone who utters... "PC Master Race" for a start...

neon hinge
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RN he's just an ult feeder

serene nova
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He does he used to be good

inland rain
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where would you get pure potassium though Honk

mystic dune
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magic

versed pebble
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at this rate Roadhog will need a doll to show where he's been touched

inland rain
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lel

neon hinge
mystic dune
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or the chem dispenser from chemistry

neon hinge
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I think Blizzard is moving in the right direction

serene nova
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I would pocket my freind as mercy he would hook ppl and 1shot

neon hinge
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Still not a real tank tho

mystic dune
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just kill the chemist for the keycard

versed pebble
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deleteing him and giving up?

neon hinge
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Well, not a tank per se

ashen parrot
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Roadhog pretty much sucks tho

This is true but the nerf was definitely needed. He was basically a tanky dps as opposed to a tank.

neon hinge
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He's a space-maker

serene nova
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He's more a bruiser then a tank

neon hinge
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Yes, I'm not saying otherwise Interest.

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But they should return him the low CD on the hook

mystic dune
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so

neon hinge
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Plus the inc changes in the PTR

ashen parrot
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Doomfist better fits the build of bruiser.

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And not just because he punches things

neon hinge
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Yeah and Doomfist is big reward at big risk

mystic dune
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any of yall interested in the new hero theyre supposed to be making, who's a area denial hero?

serene nova
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Yea

ashen parrot
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he's basically vi

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at least in terms of likely sources of inspiration

neon hinge
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Kinda, yes.

versed pebble
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funny how we went from metals that react in water, to salt to Overwatch... says a lot...

neon hinge
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They're pretty similar in fact

ashen parrot
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Anyways, on RH. I think his vape change will actually be quite useful

neon hinge
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Yes but that alone will not be enough

ashen parrot
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assuming DR affects how ult charge generates he can basically become a literal meat shield.

neon hinge
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That's right

ashen parrot
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beyond that, he does have a couple things going for him.

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  1. His scrap gun used to instantly kill on the alt fire. This means post-nerf, it still does substantial damage that can help open up picking opportunities for mid-ranged DPS. The fact the gun also shoots a fair bit faster opens up more opportunities.
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  1. Treating his hook like a Blitzcrank hook will go a long way towards getting picks. Unlike a character like say, Reinhardt, the pick potential is a fair bit greater.
neon hinge
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mhm, mhm

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Space maker

ashen parrot
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I think his gun could be tweaked a bit more

neon hinge
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Step in the wrong zone and you'll be hooked

ashen parrot
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I'd honestly consider increasing his clip size further to make him more of a sustained damage dealer with low to moderate range.

serene nova
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Yea

ashen parrot
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this would make him stronger in skirmishes but not ridiculous like he was before.

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I personally didn't mind the hook combo as much as getting one-shot by his gun alone just because I stood at a moderate range.

serene nova
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Yea I don't like that as a healer

ashen parrot
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so needless to say, changing how the gun worked was a good idea

thick maple
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Junkrat is lots of fun.

ashen parrot
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JR is pretty great

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I'm concerned about his change though..

serene nova
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No just no I hate him

thick maple
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I use the bomb as an additional attack, not as a defensive item.

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Doomfist is cool, but takes a bit of practice.

serene nova
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I just usually stick to mercy zen or Ana cause I can heal verry good and well kill ppl with them well lol

neon hinge
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There's a huge problem with Mercy

versed pebble
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Soldier 76 FTW!

neon hinge
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Both playing with her or against her

serene nova
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In quick play I got gold elims as mercy

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Once

thick maple
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Mercy is my main heals. She seems to be the most straightforward.

serene nova
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She's a good healer if you know how to use her right

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I can out heal other healers even lucio sometimes

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Just need to know when to heal or dmg boost really and when to Rez

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Plus there's the pistol that's the fun part tho

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Shooting tracer in the face when she try's to gank you

thick maple
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Lucio can bump people off the edge.

ashen parrot
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I don't particularly have an issue with Mercy aside from the whole skill ceiling part.

thick maple
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I play vs AI. Not competitive. And with what I've heard about season 5, I'm glad.

serene nova
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I play mercy for my main heals zen for my dps heals and Ana as my utility heals

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If my grp has a second healer or some one else is mercy I usually go Ana or zen

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I remember when you could have multiple of the same in qp we all would do soldier aka healer 76

young frigate
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thank god that's a brawl now

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immortalised as it deserves

neon hinge
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@ashen parrot It's not funny to play with or against

ashen parrot
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I mean, considering how I play JR, the same could be said there ๐Ÿ˜›

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but really though, punishing a mercy is super fun

serene nova
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Comp >.> soo much salt

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In there

ashen parrot
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sometimes frustrating but rip tire punish to wipe their team again is great

serene nova
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When I play mercy and my team throws I go to their team and just dance with them and wave

versed pebble
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woohoo, time to catch up on Voltron ๐Ÿ˜„

serene nova
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It's how I usually get everyone to vote for me

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I've done some crazy Rezes tho

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If the enemy team is smart they sit on me the whole game

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Or yea lol

thick maple
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I wish that they'd add the VS AI modes to the arcade.

serene nova
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Meh ai is pretty ezpz

neon hinge
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What's the point on playing 3v3 Elimination versus bots?

serene nova
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I only do qp and comp rarely arcade

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You know what I've done a few times on dorado is I have a spot I go on torb and I literally sit hammering my turret the whole match lol

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I Rem getting potg that way ppl were pissed lol I could just do that

thick maple
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Well, it's fun.

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Duh.

serene nova
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Torb is evil

thick maple
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I loved Uprising and Junkenstein's Revenge and I'd love more of the same.

serene nova
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Uprising was fun on high dificultys

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Cause my freinds let me mercy all the time

warm hedge
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anyone know the name of the blonde blizzard character that i think is in either diablo or the moba HotS i think, shes the one that has the argent crusader looking armor the white/grey and black trim

serene nova
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Um

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Joana or something I thonk

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I am not dhure

random mantle
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Free from amber is my fav carrd in hearthston

warm hedge
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i only play wow but i was looking for a wallpaper with this girl in it but idk her name to look up a wallpaper

young frigate
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@warm hedge her name's johanna, she's the female crusader from Diablo 3

warm hedge
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okay thx

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who do you guys feel is hotter? johanna, jaina, or the blonde from starcraft? nova i think her name is?

young frigate
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johanna can carry me

glad reef
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Mercy.

young frigate
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no contest

serene nova
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Mercy definitely

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I'm a sucker for the angel wings

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Or that argent confessor paletress lady she has a really soft voice

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Asumeing humans are the only thing in this contest

young frigate
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I'd go on a date with diablo

serene nova
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I like elfs

warm hedge
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okay considering dragon aspects which of the female ones do you guys feel drawn to most?

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id say alexstrazsa myself

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@serene nova mercy's devil skin or whatever the tail skin is is gorgeous

serene nova
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Ysera was my fav

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I use the imp one sometimes

young frigate
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hmm, I like both?

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someone did a really nice redesign of alexstrasza

true dock
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i like the ysera one

serene nova
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I can see the appeal of ppl like ing sylvanas

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But if wow was real

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That kinda well

warm hedge
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yeah sylvanas is great. i hope blizz doesnt have us kill her off

serene nova
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She is technically undead

warm hedge
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well undeads only die permanently to fire damage right or ?

young frigate
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I like sylvanas but she has too many hots skins

warm hedge
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fire/light magics i mean

serene nova
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See what I would do

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Is get eyir odyns prime Valkyr to restore her to life

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Then it's gg

warm hedge
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ooh eyir x sylvanas ๐Ÿ˜‰

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or shall i say eyir x mercy

young frigate
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somehow I don't think they'd get along

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I mean mercy is Basically a valkyr already

serene nova
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I like elfs Angel like beings gods goddesses deitys

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I have strange taste

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That stuff

young frigate
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it's not strange taste until you'd kiss a zerg

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(not counting kerrigan)

serene nova
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Hence my name here belldandy as in belldandy from ah my goddess

warm hedge
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is that the spider gargoyle lady?

serene nova
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I mean some moonguard stuff is well if you been in goldshire

warm hedge
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i play on moan guard

young frigate
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...I think? that's a very roundabout description for her ๐Ÿ˜น

serene nova
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I have a few toons there

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Cutegoddess my warrior

warm hedge
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i think ive seen you before xD

serene nova
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I mostly only do any rp stuff with freinds

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Hmm I wonder who you are if I know you

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I sometimes visit on my main umami

warm hedge
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nah we never interacted or rped ever

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dunno that one

serene nova
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It's not on mg

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I moved most my toons to proudmoore

warm hedge
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moanguard aint my only server

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i play there on pridemoore too

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hahaha

serene nova
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Lol umami is my Druid in game over

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Moonguard was just meh for me

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I saw that snowflake person xfered to proudmoore

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Nice person

warm hedge
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yeah she helped me a few times

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you referring to the special snowflake that did the free help for a person friday or saturday whatever it was?

serene nova
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I help ppl to with mount runs achivements even lend ppl gold

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Yes that one

warm hedge
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yeah i had her carry my bc twink alts thru raids xD

serene nova
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Ah all my twinks are lv 80

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I have a warrior on bleeding hollow horde a blood elf named nightelfgirl

warm hedge
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ive got like 10 at 70 3at 80 an one at 85 all my other toons are either 90+ or under 60

serene nova
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I have several 80s

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My warrior has shadowmourne

warm hedge
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wonder if its possible to do a herald of the titans run anymore

serene nova
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It is actually

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There's achivement discords

warm hedge
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i tried getting the blood infusion on my 80 pally i didnt last 5 seconds as prot spec against blood queen

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xD

young frigate
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yeah, you need to be level 80 for it and only have gear below a certain ilvl

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but you can still get it

serene nova
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U can still do shadowmourne tho

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Pro tip preist bubbles

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Have a disc preist bubble you

warm hedge
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an that wont drop aggro on you?

serene nova
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Well you can taunt at the second before bite goes out to be shure

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But I've made 6 shadowmourne

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So I have exp in doing it

warm hedge
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so i need a disco priest and a lock/shaman then ?

serene nova
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Yea on a lowbie

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I can have a Druid too Rez ppl even or dk

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But every shadowmourne almost I've made but like 2 I've given away everything as gifts

warm hedge
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does the lock shaman and priest have to be 80 too or they can be 100+

serene nova
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110

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If the preist makes a giant asorb on u then it's really really goid

warm hedge
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can a holy prriest work too or ?

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idk if holy has a bubble

serene nova
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Holy preist can't make asorbs

warm hedge
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dont they have the wings spell or whatever it is, guardian spirit i think?

serene nova
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Yes they do

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But that only prevents death

warm hedge
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oh

serene nova
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You can toss a bubble on and let them eat boss attacks

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It's useful

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But for infusions on a 80 you need a healer for them definitely

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Frost can be tough too

warm hedge
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what you do for frost infusion? stand there an charge the stacks up like with unholy?

serene nova
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Also I've had issues before I belive if you immune or buble I don't know if it removes the infusion buff anymore

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Ok for frost you stand Infront of the boss when she does frost breath

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You need 4 of them so you'll get a air phase

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And at the end

warm hedge
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so i got have her breathe on me 4x then kill her after the air phase?

serene nova
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You'll bearly be able to move

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Cause she freezes you kinda

warm hedge
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can i pop hand of freedomt o break the cc or does that clear the buff

serene nova
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First u get 2 breaths then she flys up then 2 more then u can kill

warm hedge
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oh alright

serene nova
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I can freedom I belive

warm hedge
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my 80 protadins a human

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could probly pop the racial too

serene nova
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Yea

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I hope they make nelf pallys :3 I'll def race change my dranei

warm hedge
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traitor

serene nova
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Lol

warm hedge
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youd give up waggle for tree hugger pallies?

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id rather have gnomeadins

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lol

serene nova
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I love elfs

warm hedge
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then again they cant reach the light

thick maple
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^\

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Ignore the slash.

warm hedge
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er not gnome pallies gnome druids

thick maple
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Gnome/Gobby druids would be interesting. Mechanical animal forms.

serene nova
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But it won't happen

thick maple
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Maybe have the head poke out of the top.

warm hedge
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gnome druid form= bear battle pet, chicken for balance, saplings for resto maybe

serene nova
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Nelf pallys can be possible tho

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Cause what happened in the pally order hall

warm hedge
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i dont think theyll make druids anymore cause they already have what? 8 druid race options

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why what happened at pally place to have nelf?

thick maple
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THere's some warrior there who dresses like a paladin.

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Or so I've heard.

serene nova
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You convert a preistess of elune to a paladin of the light

worn berry
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i thought there were only 4 druid races

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nelf, worgan, tauren, troll

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pfft

serene nova
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But she still follows elune cause elune is kinda the light

thick maple
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&

worn berry
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tauren

serene nova
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Tauren too

worn berry
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not druid

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lmao

serene nova
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Tauren Druids were the go to herb bots cause faster Herbing

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Get the gloves that make you pick faster from mop plus Tauren plus herbalism chant lul

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Op

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Problem with Druids tho is they kinda have to have a attachment to nature

thick maple
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Yep.

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Goblins and Gnomes aren't very close to nature.

warm hedge
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yet they have shamans

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goblins anyway

serene nova
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What I can see now tho is playable nightfallen as a neutral race

thick maple
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Mechanical totems.

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Perhaps.

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ALthough, there are already 2 elven races already.

serene nova
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The night fallen owe us cause we liberated them

warm hedge
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id rather have highbournes myself instead of the anorexic nightfallens

thick maple
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The highbourne are just the night elves.

warm hedge
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er high elves whatever those blue eyed blood elves are in bc

thick maple
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There's no real discernable difference.

serene nova
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They wouldn't be withering cause the tree

thick maple
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Those are high elves and the only difference there is eye color.

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Err...

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Teldrassil.

serene nova
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They didn't yea

thick maple
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The aspects never blessed the current world tree.

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So, all elves are mortal.

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As are the aspects.

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I'd love some dragonkin race to play as.

serene nova
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Tho I would take queen ashzara pre naga over any other npc

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They won't do playable naga dragonkin or that

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They all have to be humanoid that can ride mounts

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Do emotes dance ect

thick maple
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Well, we'll have to wait and see.

serene nova
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Oh i know they wouldn't

warm hedge
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hmm playable jinyus maybe?

serene nova
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Prolly not

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Jinyu is basically the make nelf model

warm hedge
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wish humans had ability to higher ascend to vrykuls tbh

serene nova
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Just different skin

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Vrykul would be intresting

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Tho I can see other expacs doing mop stuff just to extend wows life

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Well like mop

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Just a kinda off topic expac

warm hedge
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if they had to pull from a past expac id rather they pulled from wrath or cata instead. mop an drainor were a mess

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lol

serene nova
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No I mean a random expac topic

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Mop was like out of nowhere random

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I can see that again with a different topic

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Just to extend the games life and milk it for everything

warm hedge
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yeah i didnt understand it much you have 3 expacs of ally vs horde then you suddenly stop an introduce silly pandas an this whole all lets go truce an be neutral in harmony land lol

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like why would they throw traditions of age old battles an wars for peaceful tranquility

serene nova
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You notice expacs are more shorter now and they put less effort in to them but it seems like there's more content

warm hedge
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yeah its sad x.x

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constant maintanence and patches compared to 5 years+ ago when they were more spread out an more anticipated/hyped

serene nova
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Yea but hey at least the game is still good

young frigate
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@warm hedge I get the feeling you didn't actually play during MoP

serene nova
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I doubt they will do a wow 2.0 kinda mmo

young frigate
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the conflict between the alliance and horde was a pivotal point of the expansion

serene nova
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It was

warm hedge
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i did play and main tanked siege of ogrimmar on heroic

serene nova
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Even starting to level

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You see what happens in the starter zones

young frigate
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did you pay attention during the first half hour of it? you know, where we land at the jade forest and the alliance and horde are already at each other's throats?

warm hedge
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im not into lore much

young frigate
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where we bring our conflict where it doesn't belong and Fuck Shit Up Sideways?

serene nova
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Varian could have ended the horde in soo

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At the end

warm hedge
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an look where he is now. ded at the foot the legion xD ๐Ÿ˜„

serene nova
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He was a hero

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Fought to his last breath

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Anduin has verry big shoes to fill

young frigate
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honestly we could've done without warlords

warm hedge
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so how is it we havent seen anything of wranduin yet this far into legion? wrathion just up an goes poof after draenor?

young frigate
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like, at all

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it was so inconsequential

warm hedge
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agreed

young frigate
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well, we have seen a little of wrathion, in the chromie scenario

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but he's otherwise been suspiciously absent

warm hedge
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oh i didnt do chromies thing yet

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jainas been unordinarily hidden too no?

serene nova
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Warlords was decent tho as a expac just done completely wrong

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It was a experement that failed

young frigate
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wrathion's been gone much longer than jaina, and considering one of his big deals was "the legion is coming stop fighting each other yUO NEED TO FIGHT THE LEGION"

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it's strange we haven't seen him this xpac yet

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also I found warlords lacking in a lot of respects

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pepe was good though

serene nova
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He was suposed to be in high mountain

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But they scraped that

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Warlords had soo much cut content

young frigate
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like... what, four different zones got cut?

serene nova
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Grom was suposed to be the end boss

warm hedge
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dunno bout you guys but i feel like they scrap too much like we were supposed to get air combat or underwater stuff an all we get was a dungeon eye of azshara instead of an underwater expac lol

serene nova
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Even a legendary gorehowl

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A raid teir cut

young frigate
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to me warlords was just... barren

serene nova
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I would have spent more time in mop

young frigate
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they cut the faction cities, too

serene nova
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With filler content

young frigate
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so most of it was just spent sitting alone in your garrison

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honestly? same.

serene nova
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To have warlords completed

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To what it could have been

young frigate
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pandaria was at least a nice place to be

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farming dailies in tanaan for over a year...

serene nova
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I hope they learn and the next expac is finished polish product

young frigate
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I got pretty sick of Fel Greenโ„ข by the end of it

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legion has been so, so much better

serene nova
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I rather spend more time in a expac or wait for a patch or stuff

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So they are perfect

young frigate
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as long as we don't get stuck with another year-plus raid tier, I'll be happy

serene nova
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I mean

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They could have spaced the other raids better

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Instead of a year long end teir

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Or do like wrath and have a rubysanctum

young frigate
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yeah, spread things out a bit more

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honestly highmaul and BRF are a bit of a blur for me

serene nova
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Doesn't have to be much just re work a old raid like Kara

young frigate
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well, the karazhan dungeon would've actually taken a lot of work

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I mean blizzard said themselves it's basically a 5-player raid

serene nova
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Yea but they will do more like that

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Scince it was well received

young frigate
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trial of valor is probably a better recent example for small-scale raid content

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filling in space between tiers

serene nova
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Yea it was

ashen parrot
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or ruby sanctum, or onyxia's lair re-release

serene nova
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Bring back old za /Zg

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At max level

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That would be amazing

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If they made it so you could do some of those removed raids

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I miss them lol

young frigate
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that would be cool

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the max-level molten core event was awesome

serene nova
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Yea

young frigate
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seeing more stuff like that would be great

serene nova
#

Black temple time walk was cool aswell

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I belive ulduar is next

young frigate
#

there's a lot of good stuff coming out of the game right now

serene nova
#

Tho ulduar would be verry difficult

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Cause it drops a legendary plus a mount

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But ulduar makes most sence to re do for time walkers

warm hedge
#

id rather do timewalk LK or uh naxx lol

ashen parrot
#

Ulduar's legendary will probably become an appearance farm thing.

serene nova
#

Then again yogg

warm hedge
#

ulduar has too many bosses to timewalk

ashen parrot
#

Mount and hard modes are still quite doable.

serene nova
#

Yogg would bee painful

warm hedge
#

all the other wrath raids have less

serene nova
#

Yea but lk?

ashen parrot
#

ICC is also pretty long

warm hedge
#

well how many bosses did BT have? 8?

ashen parrot
#

Heck, BT is pretty long as well, despite having fewer bosses

serene nova
#

It prolly would be modeled after heroic icc

young frigate
#

maybe trial of the crusader?

warm hedge
#

i think trial had what? 5?

ashen parrot
#

Considering how unpopular that raid was, I doubt people will appreciate resources being spent on TW ToC

serene nova
#

Imagine haveing ppl deal with defile and stuff in time walks

ashen parrot
#

To boil the discussion down.

young frigate
#

I wouldn't know, I wasn't around when it was current content

ashen parrot
#

"you chose a Wrath raid to Timewalk and it's Trial of the Crusader? Why the fuck!?!?"

serene nova
#

Togc wasn't bad

warm hedge
#

i was around for the elite runs of toc and naxx for immortal/undying but i never got either title cause i couldnt find a group because lol gearscore links or no invite bs

serene nova
#

I wouldn't mind if they brought back the tribute items/mounts ac a low drop

ashen parrot
#

Considering I primarily raided that tier with a guild, it's not awful by any means but definitely inferior to the raid that came before and after.

young frigate
#

naxx would be way too big for timewalking

warm hedge
#

ya i guild progressively raided heroic icc

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back in teh day

ashen parrot
#

Naxx isn't too bad to Timewalk. It's fairly compressed

serene nova
#

I've raided every expac

ashen parrot
#

But it feels redundant because it's already been redone.

serene nova
#

Yea bastardized northern naxx ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

ashen parrot
#

and OS, VoA EoE, and RS are all out.

warm hedge
#

ony would be out too

young frigate
#

I guess ulduar or ICC would make the most sense

ashen parrot
#

I don't particularly have a problem with them having a version of Naxx in Northrend, especially since WotLK got an extra raid tier

random mantle
#

AQ40 timewalking

young frigate
#

DO NOT

warm hedge
#

LOL

ashen parrot
#

but I do miss being able to get an Atiesh.

#

AQ40 timewalking

No lol

serene nova
#

Yea and corrupted ashbringer

young frigate
#

tier 3 armour ๐Ÿ˜ญ

warm hedge
#

i missed out on original AQ and naxx when it was current cause my first toon was only in about lvl 45-55 range

ashen parrot
#

you can still get tier 3 armor though

warm hedge
#

so i never could go

ashen parrot
#

both cosmetic and actual versions

#

BMAH brought that back

young frigate
#

yeah, by shelling out god knows how much money

serene nova
#

I wouldn't mind them readding removed items

#

But make them hard to obtain

warm hedge
#

i wish they would add removed items but only the ones that were super rare to the bmah

ashen parrot
#

people rarely ever buy them and 10k is increasingly becoming pocket change

serene nova
#

Like the togc tribute chest make it a low % drop

warm hedge
#

leave the royalty ones out

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like martin thundr

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haha

ashen parrot
#

not supposed to be obtainable by players anyways.

warm hedge
#

i used to know someone on wow that had martins fury too

serene nova
#

Prolly in the future the bmah will have appearance sets

ashen parrot
#

You mean all one of the people who got banned for abusing it?

serene nova
#

Just set them at a high start price

warm hedge
#

what would be cool if they did ensemble packages of the elite pvp armor sets for those that were around back then

#

starting with bc

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since they always remove those

serene nova
#

Even removed mounts

#

And weapons and stuff

young frigate
#

I'll give an arm and a leg for ensemble sets on the BMAH

serene nova
#

More bmah stuff = more gold dump

young frigate
#

I'm such a mog hog

warm hedge
#

like if you earned it back then but had to toss it for bag space cause tmog didnt exist then you should be able to buy it again

#

somehow

#

i wish i could get my wrath launch event judgement armor back

serene nova
#

Plus if the bmah had a consistent amount of stuff every day

#

If they did that it would be better

#

Shure the stuff would be less rare

#

But a lot of the comunity wants stuff

ashen parrot
#

at this point the slots needs to be about doubled anyways

serene nova
#

Yea

#

There's a lot blizz can do

young frigate
#

anyway it's really neat being able to see argus from anywhere on azeroth

serene nova
#

That was well done yes

#

Tho argus could have had a lot more done with it

young frigate
#

like I'm in uldum and I look up and see it and I'm just like "OHHH SHIIII THERE IT IS"

#

I imagine it's hard to make large playable zones on Swiss Cheese Planet

serene nova
#

It feels like they are rushing things

#

To get to next expac

young frigate
#

I'm going to reserve judgement until the patch is on live

#

and see what the news is over gamescom and blizzcon

serene nova
#

I mean they could do large zones

#

If nightfallen were playable tho they could introduce spell swords or w/e that one boss was

young frigate
#

spellblades

#

that'd be fun

serene nova
#

Yea

young frigate
#

ooooh, could incorporate the blood elf spellbreakers too

#

they use a similar weapon setup

serene nova
#

Yea

ashen parrot
#

spellblade is a concept that's been around for ages in some form

#

interesting Blizzard never really built a class around it but admittedly it would be a little similar to paladins or something

young frigate
#

I imagine it'd make for a good dps/tank hybrid

warm hedge
#

what i dont get is why blood elf dont have druids yet in tempest keep theres blood elf botanists and again in nighthold too

young frigate
#

don't get me started on blood elf druids man

#

I won't stop

ashen parrot
#

being a botanist is a little different from being a druid.

serene nova
#

Blood elfs couldn't be a Druid tho

ashen parrot
#

also as much as I would love a blood elf druid, it makes no sense from a lore perspective as of now

serene nova
#

Yea

warm hedge
#

neither do gnome hunters

young frigate
#

I think spellblade would be a unique enough class because it combines the arcane prowess of a mage with the durability of a warrior

#

well, Actually,

warm hedge
#

or tauren paladins/priests

serene nova
#

They streched it hard with the gnome hunters

ashen parrot
#

the high elves abandoned druidism when they left the rest of the night elves

young frigate
#

in lore the farstriders are quite close to druidic

warm hedge
#

reason gnoems have hunters is because gnomes never had a mail armor class since they cant have shamans

ashen parrot
#

they're more like rangers

#

and therein, a classic type of survival/marksmanship hybrid of sorts

young frigate
#

it's more a classic druidism than what would be considered warcraft druidism

ashen parrot
#

tbh it seems you're confusing druidic qualities with something far, far more mundane.

#

but at the same time, even classic druidism has its counterpart in the form of the ranger class

#

and the farstriders are more like that

young frigate
#

it makes about as much sense as night elf mages do, anyhow

#

or gnome warriors

ashen parrot
#

night elf mages have increasingly made more sense tbh.

serene nova
#

Nelf mages make sence

ashen parrot
#

In lore, night elf mages were quite prominent.

#

It's just that the sentinels in particular weren't a big fan of it after the Sundering.

serene nova
#

Only now they are starting to accept them back

young frigate
#

they were exiled from night elf society and became the high elves

ashen parrot
#

Not all of them though.

serene nova
#

Yea not all of them

ashen parrot
#

it was only some who became quel'dorei. Heck, the fact Suramar exists is enough to heavily debunk that.

warm hedge
#

so whats difference then between highbournes an the nightfallen arcanists

young frigate
#

suramar has been in a bubble for several millennia

serene nova
#

^

#

they were isolated

ashen parrot
#

but the point is that there's more night elf mages out there

young frigate
#

not night elves. nightborne.

serene nova
#

Go to feralas

young frigate
#

there is a distinction

ashen parrot
#

and if I recall, there was another group that rejoined the Sentinels.

serene nova
#

The suramar elfs

#

Suramar is like

young frigate
#

honestly I find it silly to argue semantics over which race should have which class because this piece of lore says so

ashen parrot
#

It's about comparable to the troll druid thing. Incidentally, troll druids have been a viable idea for quite a time.

young frigate
#

at this point I don't see why blizzard shouldn't drop the restrictions altogether

ashen parrot
#

ZG accounted for that pretty nicely

serene nova
#

A screenshot or picture if elf culture before the sunder ing

young frigate
#

because there will always be exceptions

ashen parrot
#

On one hand, sure.

#

On the other, lore lovers might not be too happy if the explanation Blizzard conjures up isn't sufficient.

serene nova
#

We should ask red t shirt guy if belf Druids make sence :^)

ashen parrot
#

Keep in mind, I do want Blood Elf Druids despite all the points I just made. It was a devil's advocate argument.

serene nova
#

I think everyone does

ashen parrot
#

But that's because I heavily favor towards gameplay-focused design.

young frigate
#

I love the lore

#

it's one of the reasons I'd like to see more unusual class-race combinations

serene nova
#

Also ppl prolly want belf Druids cause they like the thin cheerleader body type if belf females

young frigate
#

actually I just want a lynx feral form

serene nova
#

A lot of it is mostly looks

#

They can aways add glyphs

#

Ppl want to look pretty

young frigate
#

lynx feral form, dragonhawk flight form, what's not to love

serene nova
#

It's either blizz appeases ppls desire to look good or they adhere to lore

young frigate
#

lore is flexible. like I said, there will always be exceptions

serene nova
#

And if they toss lore out the window whers the games identity

young frigate
#

there's a canon death knight who can still use the light, for pete's sake

serene nova
#

Yea but as the player tho

young frigate
#

as the player I wouldn't mind seeing worgen or undead paladins or blood elf druids or what have you

serene nova
#

To me it wouldn't make sence to

#

Tho it would be cool

young frigate
#

honestly, isn't a lot of the game built around Rule of Cool?

serene nova
#

Well I mean the red t shirt guy knows blizz game lore more then the ppl that make it

young frigate
#

like I love the lore of the game and I'm glad they're finally hammering it out into something concrete but. it can still be worked with

serene nova
#

Ppl would love dranei or human demonhunters too and stuff

wispy parcel
#

wouldnt make sence

serene nova
#

But also

wispy parcel
#

its the elfs affinity to magic

serene nova
#

If they add it so every race can be any class

#

They would have to put a lot of work in to that

ashen parrot
#

Well I mean the red t shirt guy knows blizz game lore more then the ppl that make it

*in narrow situations

serene nova
#

And it would take away from expansion content

young frigate
#

new and unusual race/class combos would be both fun to play with and explore in lore, that's about the summary of my argument

#

yeah it's not as important as new content but

#

it'd be fun to see nonetheless

#

on that note it's 2AM and I need to Go To Bed

serene nova
#

Well playable murlocs naga and nonsense stuff like that lol

young frigate
#

only in hots

thick maple
#

No to murlocs. Never.

serene nova
#

Yea

versed pebble
#

red shirt guy is the highlight of the Warcraft Q&A at Blizzcon every year

#

Iwonder if Panser is running this years Q&A again

thick maple
#

He's immortalized as the Wildhammer Fact Checker.

versed pebble
#

ok, so from what I can garner, part of his case is that Games Workshop business practice is illegal in America, compared to (in his words) the socialist based structure of business in Europe
o.O

ashen parrot
#

um...

versed pebble
#

this is gonna be fun to follow

#

mainly, cos if this tracks at all, it will knock on to any and all board game companies in the US

ashen parrot
#

this doesn't seem like it's going to do much but if it does, damn that's going to be quite the can of worms.

versed pebble
#

yeah

#

I doubt it will either, but could be fun to watch

thick maple
#

Probably going to get thrown out.

versed pebble
#

more than likely, looking at the comments there, the guy pushing the case has a history too

#

funnily, if he'd stuck to just a couple of points though, he'd have a good case, but he's gone massively over the top

thick maple
#

Although, in this day and age, you can sue for just about anything.

inland rain
#

You can sue for anything but that doesn't mean you will win

thick maple
#

^

frosty tundra
#

Heyyyy from Vegas. How's everyone doing?

chilly spade
#

Not too bad @frosty tundra ! How about you?

frosty tundra
#

Good :) finally relaxing.

chilly spade
#

Yay!

#

Nvm....

#

Wrong person

frosty tundra
#

Oh ok :)

cosmic zephyr
#

What is sale meme

#

I was told to find the video on YouTube but idk which one it is

unreal plover
#

Doing well Sas Here in Northern Calif

versed tangle
#

I genuinely like it. I am very Certain this would look awesome on a Belf aswell. Hence this is very Elf-ish

cosmic zephyr
#

Well no it's not cancer. Cancer is something that can kill you in real fucking life. And is some serious shit

versed tangle
#

I really love the Blue Version. That will go perfectly with the Stormwind Tabard from WoD

#

Assume its the PvP Version

neon hinge
#

!!!!!!!!!!!

#

Hype train

gaunt notch
#

uhh the possible something of the event for the something

young frigate
#

another mercy legendary??

#

like it looks pretty don't get me wrong but

#

...actually, never mind, mercy has fewer legendaries than I thought

mystic dune
#

inb4 more tracer legendaries

young frigate
#

I mean that's pretty much a given seeing as she's the poster child

#

I'd be more surprised if they didn't give her another one

worldly belfry
#

anyone from eu chamber of aspects?

opaque basin
#

Isn't Tracer the poster child?

bleak bloom
#

thats what the person said

thick maple
#

^

neon hinge
#

Tracer has already 1 zillion Legendary Skins

#

It's a bit boring tbh

thick maple
#

Agreed.

versed pebble
#

1, why would you post that crap...
2, why would you even be looking there?

thick maple
#

mispost. Also it's not crap.

opaque basin
#

My bad, I misunderstood

versed pebble
#

well damn, the internet is blowing up about Hellblade

neon hinge
#

And looks like is a bluff

versed pebble
#

yeah

#

surprisingly theres a lot of backlash from what totalbiscuit has said about it

neon hinge
#

TB said stuff he's right and stuff he's very very wrong

#

Like this reply

versed pebble
#

I was just gonna post that ๐Ÿ˜„

neon hinge
#

He's too radical imo

versed pebble
#

yup

#

I used to really respect him, but thats gone right out the window of late

neon hinge
#

That's pretty right imo

#

I don't like misleadings

versed pebble
#

I think it's HILARIOUS

young frigate
#

much prefer jim sterling myself

versed pebble
#

he can be just as bad

#

surprised he hasn't weighed in on this actulaly

young frigate
#

how so?

#

I've always thought his opinions were pretty reasonable, if presented in a large-ham way

versed pebble
#

he's gone too far int he past too, he's usually quicker to accept his fuck ups though

young frigate
#

yeah

#

I'd say it's a good quality to have to be able to admit when you're wrong

versed pebble
#

being humble is something I love in a games journo, totally contrary to my training with the BBC ๐Ÿ˜›

mystic dune
thick maple
#

Widowmaker at the beach?! Whoa.

random mantle
#

Bikinomaker

worn berry
#

i'm gonna main widow just for this skin

thick maple
#

I thought she didn't feel anything. Why is she at the beach?

random mantle
#

she needs some time to chill too

young frigate
#

well, colour me amazed

#

tracer doesn't have a new legendary

thick maple
#

She had two last summer.

random mantle
#

5-0 gheheehe

steady fossil
#

I don't have much of an opinion on Jim Sterling enough to draw conclusions but from what I did see on his "Unity Engine" video, it hurt my head watching him talk about "game engines" and going on about how its userbase is the video game developer equivalent of that of deviantart. :/

versed pebble
#

he wasn't wrong with that statement though ๐Ÿ˜›

steady fossil
#

No but he blames the game engines developers for it.

young frigate
#

I mean it is an odd choice for them to make

steady fossil
#

Just because somebody makes rather insensitive or stupid or garbage material using Photoshop doesn't mean Photoshop can just stop them.

young frigate
#

only putting their name on the products of those who can't afford a more expensive package...

steady fossil
#

The same goes for the people of Unity Engine

young frigate
#

yes but those don't automatically have a big neon sign attached to them saying "MADE WITH PHOTOSHOP"

steady fossil
#

I mean. Kinda?

#

It does if the artist puts it in their description

#

Lord knows they'll list all their tools used. That's missing the point.

#

There really isn't much of a "quality control" they can do for somebody creating and releasing a game with their engine. There's so many people who use it. The games that are developed should be criticised, not the tool they were created in simply by association.

unreal bluff
#

I gave Sylvanas a new outfit

young frigate
#

ooh, very nice ๐Ÿ˜ธ

thick maple
#

Can it get some color? Other than that, it looks pretty good!

#

We have some great artists in this Discord. Hey Blizz? Hire them!

mystic dune
thick maple
#

Or check out Hammeh's video.

#

There's more. There's victory poses and voice lines too.

#

Reaper skin looks the best, followed closely by Widowmaker.

autumn garden
#

The price of Swift Spectral Tiger... It's killing me

#

1,3k$ for the goddamn thing

young frigate
#

yup

random mantle
#

or goldcap

young frigate
#

TCG loot is no joke

random mantle
#

1 have 1 toy i bought won from the bmah

#

but its the most useless one imo xD

#

Paper Flying Machiene kit

steady fossil
#

It's cheaper to buy the gold via WoW token and buy it in game than with IRL cash

random mantle
#

230k for 20 euro (1 wow token)

#

at the moment

#

800 euro for 9,2mil with wow tokens

#

ohdang

steady fossil
#

Yeah. It's expensive either way. I mean it's an unobtainable mount

#

But cheaper by WoW token

random mantle
#

idd

autumn garden
#

Wait isn't 10mil g max for a character to have? So... How would we...

random mantle
#

its practically free if you are a god at goldfarming

#

10 mil is max yea

autumn garden
#

The thing is. Who would even sell that goddamn thing?

random mantle
#

some people still do

#

just gotta find someone

autumn garden
#

Auction 100% doesn't have it

random mantle
#

try forums

#

or tradechat

neon hinge
#

Sell what? Tiger?

#

There's some on my realm AH

#

One or two

random mantle
#

how much gold?

#

cap?

neon hinge
#

2M or so

#

wait

#

More like 10M xD

random mantle
#

gahh

#

i want that 6 mil one

#

the one without armor is better

#

if only i knew how to make lots of gold

thick maple
#

Quest/dungeon run and sell loot/professions

random mantle
#

thats what im doing atm ๐Ÿ˜›

opaque basin
#

(I'm okay with being hired as an artist by Blizzard personnally. xD Doubt it will ever happen tho')

unreal bluff
#

@thick maple I'm planning to scan it in later and colour it in Photoshop)

#

Heck yeah I'd like for Blizzard to hire me as a freelance artist. I'LL GIVE FEMALE TOONS REAL ARMOUR

#

(Slutmogs can stay in the game but they'll be slutmogs for male characters too. It's only fair)

opaque basin
#

I like you.

steady fossil
#

I would add more customisation options that are correct to the lore, such as all night elves getting to choose amber or blue eyes, no longer having them gender locked. :v
or choosing eye colours in general to the various races :v

opaque basin
#

That would be nice. Customisation as a whole

young frigate
steady fossil
#

Oh I see how it is

thick maple
#

Is that Idris Elba?

karmic hollow
#

Yes

thick maple
#

I thought so.

fallen nexus
steady fossil
#

wot

fallen nexus
#

judging from the bathroom, the two with the machete cut his head off

#

the one with the plunger, plunged it off of his shoulders and into the toilet\

unreal bluff
signal escarp
#

Gotta love Wildstar gear

unreal bluff
#

And yeah that's Idris Elba as Marshal Pentecost in Pacific Rim, one of my fave movies

signal escarp
#

how is Wildstar doing?

unreal bluff
#

Pretty well! I should be logging in more often for RP and to see what's in the shop, but WoW is eating most of my gaming time lately x_x

signal escarp
#

i deleted it off my laptop because i had no one to play it with

#

and no harddrive space -.-

unreal bluff
#

Awww! Was your char NA or EU? I can invite you to a couple of other Discord servers if you like

#

Two of them are labelled as RP-related but mostly the people there share fanart and discuss lore xD

signal escarp
#

NA

young frigate
#

@unreal bluff for male every race

neon hinge
#

Meanwhile I'm being PJSalt at Overwatch

#

When I play I mean

signal escarp
#

lol

unreal bluff
#

I'm alienbeast at Overwatch

neon hinge
#

Night

steady fossil
#

Day

random mantle
#

afternoon

neon hinge
#

@random mantle go to sleep

#

It's late

random mantle
#

says you!

neon hinge
#

10 minutes more

opaque basin
#

Right now? Night here

steady fossil
#

wot

random mantle
#

im uhhhh

#

walking aroung ingame doing nothing!

steady fossil
#

I'm getting the pepe birb toy

random mantle
#

this one?

young frigate
#

I think they mean the whistle

steady fossil
random mantle
#

ahh the wistle ye

young frigate
#

it's a good toy to have

steady fossil
#

I never got it yet

young frigate
#

I'm sure you'll have less trouble with the world bosses than I did

#

oh wow, you need rukhmar for it too now?

steady fossil
#

I can't find them half the time

#

the world bosses aren't up when I look for them

random mantle
young frigate
#

I think between tarlna and drov only one is up at a time

random mantle
#

this npc is reading a book and walking

steady fossil
#

I noticed a lot of exodar citizens in particular

#

Draenei have been reading and walking for thousands of years

young frigate
#

nice to see some draenei relevance this xpac

#

especially considering how underwhelming a lot of the WoD stuff was

steady fossil
#

I want draenei rogues ;-;

#

so I can be a draenei pirate

#

they're in the orderhall

random mantle
#

tauren rogues!

steady fossil
#

tauren pirates :v

young frigate
#

draenei rogues would be fun

steady fossil
random mantle
#

spahettiooo

steady fossil
merry egret
#

Wow!

#

Nostalgic

unreal bluff
gaunt notch
#

that gif is quite satisfying

#

hello good people

unreal plover
#

Hey there

merry egret
#

ATTENTION

#

IF YOU ARE AN OVERWATCH PLAYER

#

DON'T PLAY COMP

jagged tusk
#

Can someone tell me how to get rid of the right-side panel with the names of people, on the web version of discord?

worn berry
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click the two person icon to the left of the search bar at the top

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oh, that's for the program on windows. i can't imagine it'd be much different on the web version

neon hinge
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If you're an active Overwatch player and play comp after an event-patch you almost deserve to lose SR xD

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Basically, is the same always

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Patch + Event? Servers unestable + ranked broken

cosmic zephyr
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Also wod world boss have 15 min spawn timer after death

steady fossil
bleak bloom
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that desnt look right

steady fossil
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One might even say, "Something's not quite right"?

random mantle
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should i sell my Plans: Felsteel longblade for 180k?

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:3

gaunt notch
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lol you've been hanging on to that as long as ive had poseidus in my bags i think

random mantle
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theres someone who wants to finally buy my plans

gaunt notch
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i'd sell em

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she says, even after having been offered 7.3mill for poseidus and not knowing whether to sell

dense nova
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well, if you've been trying to sell them up till the point and you've found someone willing to buy, no reason to back away now

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at least "finally" indicates you've been trying

random mantle
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idd

ashen parrot
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i would sell poseidus for 7.3m almost instantly

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too bad I learned mine

grizzled belfry
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is it even obtainable now?

plain warren
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ofc it is

ashen parrot
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yes but it's incredibly rare

plain warren
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good luck with all people camping it tho. and how come you are calling it for 7.3m :3 ?

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i was able to rack only around 500k from last poseidus i sold

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that was like 5months ago i think

random mantle
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The ones on my server dont even sell for more than 1 mil

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Around 600+k

primal cairn
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same

bleak bloom
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<@&299347348847329281> want to buy his account?

neon hinge
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I want

bleak bloom
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send him a PM

shrewd siren
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ooo I want it too

fervent phoenix
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I didnt break any rules why did my post get erased๐Ÿ™

bleak bloom
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it breakes rules

gaunt notch
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because i have a friend with a lot of gold who doesnt have that mount and desperately wants it

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last one on my server sold for 5 mill on the AH

cosmic zephyr
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Sell on your server for 7m

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Take some gold to cheaper server

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Buy it there for cheap

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Still have like 6m left ๐Ÿ‘Œ๐Ÿป

gaunt notch
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kinda the plan but backwards

versed pebble
timber crag
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a

versed pebble
young frigate
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"is mccree sexy now" idiot doesn't know that the blackwatch mccree skin was already sexy

young frigate
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I don't think I've seen anyone not make fun of it

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sandy ass mofo

versed pebble
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yeah, twitter is hilarious

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although, being old, I am LOVING the Soldier 76 skin

versed tangle
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i hate the McCree one tbh

young frigate
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the 76 skin is where it's at

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it even has a bunch of custom voice lines

versed tangle
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Its, like.. literally Dad:76

versed pebble
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i love his BBQ apron

versed tangle
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Combined with "Get off my lawn" and the Golf Emote.

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And done.

versed pebble
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I don't have kids, but that is SO ME

young frigate
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RAISE THE STEAKS

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I'd like mercy's skin more if the "shoes" weren't so bad

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like... why does she only have half a shoe

versed pebble
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as i keep telling Dragon, it means we get the fun with the nieces and nephews, but none of that gooey gross shit stuff

mild wigeon
versed pebble
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no thanks

mild wigeon
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:s

versed tangle
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Goddammit those Ads ๐Ÿ˜ข

unreal plover
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Lol Lonesamurai

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I bet I'm older ๐Ÿ˜›

mild wigeon
versed pebble
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@unreal plover I'm 38, go!

unreal plover
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54 in 5 days ๐Ÿ˜›

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Haha I win

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I was one of the original arcade rats. Body surfed and skater

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I play more pc games now in the last 7 years since I started playing wow. But I made a game room of consoles when my sons were younger

versed pebble
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heh yes you do

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I changed my whole life when I was 24 and recovering from a car accident

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dropped my sales career andwent back to my childhood love, Radio adn Journalism (and gaming)

lapis oasis
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Favorite disney movie question time! 3 catagories, all must be filled
Favorite based on story:
Favorite based on music:
Childhood Favorite:
And.... GO!

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Favorite based on story: Mulan
Favorite based on music: Prince of Egypt
Childhood Favorite: Lilo and Stitch.

thick maple
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Based on story: Star Wars. Based on music: Maleficent. Childhood favorite: Beauty and the Beast

lapis oasis
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I should have said disney originals.

unreal plover
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Based on story: snow white
Based on music: Jungle Book
Childhood favorite: Aristocats

lapis oasis
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oh the aristocats!

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I almost forgot about that movie!

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it was definetly a good one.

unreal plover
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Mmhmm my first introduction to jazz

lapis oasis
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@here come on! lets get more people1

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hmm, I don't think the here @ works.

karmic hollow
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It doesn't unless you're a mod/admin

lapis oasis
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ahh.

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what about you samutz

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Favorite disney movie question time! 3 catagories, all must be filled
Favorite based on story:
Favorite based on music:
Childhood Favorite:

rotund sail
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Based on story: little mermaid
Based on music: mulan
Childhood favorite: stanley

young frigate
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prince of egypt isn't disney

thick maple
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^

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Prince of Egypt is Dreamworks.

lapis oasis
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๐Ÿ˜ฎ

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oh no

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my life is ruined

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ok

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new favorite based on music then

young frigate
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it is a great film, tho

thick maple
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^

young frigate
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are we counting only animated features or does live-action disney also count?

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actually you know what someone said malificent earlier so

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favourite based on story: atlantis (the fox and the hound is a close second)
favourite based on music: mary poppins
childhood favourite: oliver & company

lapis oasis
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MARY POPPINS oh god yes

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and oliver and company

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that film hit a spot when I was a kid too.

primal cairn
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childhood favourite: oliver & company same

young frigate
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very underrated imo

lapis oasis
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ohh what about that dinosaur movie about the dino's in NYC isn't that a disney movie?

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the cartoon

young frigate
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I... have no idea what that is

lapis oasis
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oh nvm

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it's not a disney movie

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it's we're back! a dinosaur's story

young frigate
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man going through the list there are a lot of underrated disney films. the rescuers, brother bear, treasure planet, the great mouse detective...

lapis oasis
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brother bear. yes!

young frigate
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man that film was harsh but it was damn beautifully done

lapis oasis
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^^

primal cairn
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land before time

young frigate
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that's not a disney film either

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also good tho

primal cairn
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-shrugs-

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disney or not yep!

young frigate
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oh another good non-disney animated film was anastasia

primal cairn
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fav

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there was someone selling a clone of that locket on etsy was awesome oxo

young frigate
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the animation and music for that film were both incredible

primal cairn
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too spook

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too good but too spook also

rotund sail
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Pocahontas also

primal cairn
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yehhhhhhhh~