#Take damage running around without shoes.

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livid thorn
south delta
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Srly? 😂

winged juniper
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Very realistic 😌... What happened to the shoes? Did they break, where they stolen? So many questions!

livid thorn
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Summer is hoooot 🫠

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Also, you could have a survival skill that's something like "Hobbit Feet" joy

south delta
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I would up vote for a suggestion about "making shoes take dmg over time by use"

midnight fern
undone iris
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Seriously? You know, that peasants in middle ages always ran around without shoes (at least, when it wasn't freezing)? The alternative were wooden shoes, which you could wear if the underground was too wet or mirky, but those wooden shoes hurt the feet quite a lot. They were used to it since baby days and grew hard skin on their feet. Nowadays people are so pampered that they can't even imagine like what it was in those days (or even was until the 1940s, regarding kids going barefoot).

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Shoes from leather were for nobility. No peasant could afford them.

south delta
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Nice info

livid thorn
autumn charm
livid thorn
# autumn charm "shoes were for nobility" wut? plz provide evidence of this, absolutely nothing ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barefoot#:~:text=In medieval Europe%2C going barefoot,classes%2C and prisoners of war.

Barefoot

Barefoot is the state of not wearing any footwear.
There are health benefits and some risks associated with going barefoot. Shoes, while they offer protection, can limit the flexibility, strength, and mobility of the foot and can lead to higher incidences of flexible flat foot, bunions, hammer toe, and Morton's neuroma. Walking and running bare...

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see historical section

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and the reference section

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But really, shoes were expensive in those days. different countries had different resolutions to footcoverings (again, disease from going barefoot).

undone iris
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Well, fact is, that there isn't really much reliable info regarding peasants wearing shoes in early middle ages. It is known, that nobles and wealthy merchants and even wealthy citizens had shoes in early middle ages. But in contemporary illustrations peasants are mostly shown barefoot or with wooden shoes.

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Like really nobody cared, what or if peasants wore shoes or not.

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But if you look at the first half of the last century in rural areas, most children would go barefoot, and even many grown up people went without shoes - at least on warm days and if they hadn't to do work requiring boots for safty.

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So, as a conclusion, I am against taking damage because of running around without shoes, because it was absolutely normal to do so.

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(And I never heard of catching diseases because running around barefoot. - Unless you go barefoot in a modern bath or sports areas)

merry lotus
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You can walk over somewhere that’s infected with a parasite

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(It’s pretty nasty)

topaz ibex
# undone iris Well, fact is, that there isn't really much reliable info regarding peasants wea...

dude, seriously? do you ever find any solid historical evidence that only the merchant and nobles wore shoes? for your dumb head information, those are rich they can even purchase and wear expensive things high class or even better, have their own craftsman/tailors to make things for them with the best material they can find. For about peasant, they can also wear shoes and boots as well but with a cheaper or normal qualities. the only reasons i can think of why the peasant can afford shoes or boots, that is because those are who are so very poor who cant even afford or barely enough to keep on livivng through days, to simply put those are who are so poor or broke are the only ones who cant not afford anything not just the shoes or boots.

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find the sources and read them you stupid - idiot simpleton

jagged wadi
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Yes, well. There are many evidence that people had shoes, but not allways.
Even during 1900 it was very common, as today in poor countries without shoes.

No need to name calling , especially sinse you dont look things up either.

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Dont even hurt today, if you are used to it and have hard feets.

topaz ibex
undone iris
# topaz ibex dude, seriously? do you ever find any solid historical evidence that only the me...

First: I'm not your "dude".
Second: "Middle Ages" is a long time period (from 600 to 1500 roughly). You can't just say "In middle ages....", because so much changed from the beginning to the end of "middle ages". MD takes place in a very specific time period: about 1080 aD, and a very specific location: rural Poland. Your links don't differentiate. And further more, there would be differences between cities and rural living and between different "jobs" (as there is until today). Even if peasants wore shoes on some occations (going to a church or on a holyday or doing heavy work or in winter), it was totally normal for them to go barefoot as well. In Europe, there are no parasites you can get through wading in water with bare feet (as there are in many tropical or subtropical regions). The worst thing happening going barefoot might be getting athlete's foot (hope, that's the right term) - and that is a most modern thing and very uncommon in a natural environment/on natural ground.

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Third: I reported you for insulting me.

minor magnet
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Welcome to Australia

formal hollow
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Just a reminder that name calling and insults is NOT ok - as per the #rules . Please keep discussion on topic and be respectful to everyone, thanks!

frosty notch
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I remember reading that somewhere in the world people actually walk around without shoes on even today.

I think it depends what area your in the world to be really bad to not be wearing shoes.

You have to take in the location, the animals and diseases that are in the area.

But like the others said, this is set in the medieval times in Poland.

Have to consider what was around during that time.

Taking damage from walking barefoot... Lol the amount of people that would already be passing away, especially kids and elders.

The only logical thing that can happen barefoot is getting a disease or something. It's pretty easy to walk over critters of all kinds.

It would for sure be bad during winter though. Get frostbite. Guess there also the summer, the ground would be pretty hot during summer.

south delta
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The question is, would you rly like to take damage while runing around with ir without shoes ingame? Be sincere, that would rly add depth to the game? I mean no disrespect at all 🤔

As i said before i would love to have shoes and even clothes taking damage from usage

topaz ibex
# undone iris First: I'm not your "dude". Second: "Middle Ages" is a long time period (from 60...

ok, i was a little bit temper there so i sorry for what i said insult you, but the truth is remain the same. in middle ages plus the medieval ages which happened around from 5 to 10 or 12 centuries, which mean they are very flourish at the time, for some peasant that can afford shoes and food for their own as well. as for your saying, i assume that would be the dark age ( the age where the dark plague happened ) along side with the down fall of the economics which lead to many people, not just peasant but also nobles and merchants as well as kings/queens down fall as well. in those time, forget about afford to buy shoes, they couldn't buy any thing, even a simple bread for food, they just barely scrap for survive day by day. again, sorry for my temper, i had some arguement with some one else so when i read your comment i could'nt control my anger. hope you understand

midnight fern
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Also, I disagree with you: as other said, this is XIe century Poland and what you wrote above is at best untrue.
Sure, there were dark periods where ppl were dirt poor and went shoeless, but this is not it.
This is not 'the dirt ages' as shown in movies, the game tries to be a bit more realistic than that

autumn charm
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I personally would love to see primary source evidence that "peasants didn't wear shoes"...
I'm happy to wait a little longer for that to be provided.

topaz ibex
undone iris
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And all in all it is not even important, if all peasants wore always shoes nor none peasants wore never shoes. The truth will have been somewhere inbetween. And that means: they were accustomed to going barefoot. So no damage for their feet.

Our character (and villagers) wear shoes, so that is set. But that doesn't mean, they couldn't walk barefoot, if they wanted. And as said above: their feet were used to it.

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Erm: Before I forget: natural ground doesn't heat up in summer as much as our streets and pavement do.

undone iris
autumn charm
# undone iris And all in all it is not even important, if _all_ peasants wore _always_ shoes n...

Sorry, this is not sufficient Thalassa.
I can't tell where your assumptions begin and fact starts.... plz provide some evidence of "non shoe wearing peasants"
If this is not possible thats fine, just state that when you make a claim please - "I have no primary evidence but based on secondary sources etc etc"
Thats all I'm concerned with, making factual claims based on... limited evidence.
Thanks aye.

undone iris
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And to be fair: the graves of nobles and kings are the most evidence of the past, we'll find. I don't know, if there is any cementary in Poland (or somewhere else in Europe) dating back to the 11th century

jagged wadi
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Well, I would say that all massgraves around europe, from soldiers or burnt villages do proves alot.

undone iris
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And if you read further that the first few sentences, you'll find, that is says there, that it is supposed that the poorer part of the people mostly went barefoot.

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But the dates given, are mostly from later times (13th century onwards)

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So, as I am a natural scientist and not a historian, this is, where my knowledge ends.

autumn charm
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mhmm

undone iris
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We know about the "Bundschuh", but we don't know, if even peasants wore them before the late middle ages. It is known that peasants wore the "Bundschuh" from late middle ages on. (But before?)

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Yep, but that doesn't tell you, what part of the population could affort these shoes for children.

autumn charm
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if this source proves ppl didnt wear shoes im struggling to see it, can you please show the part where it is clearly defined?

autumn charm
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Even this part that most closely matches your "assumption" doesnt match to your claims

undone iris
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I wrote about the wooden shoes...

autumn charm
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this suggests different

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im happy for the record to be corrected

undone iris
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??

jagged wadi
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"Even if peasants wore shoes on some occations (going to a church or on a holyday or doing heavy work or in winter), it was totally normal for them to go barefoot as well." this, I guess you mean then.

No place thalassa, or anyone has said that them NEVER had shoes.

autumn charm
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no but the implication is QUITE strong

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again

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im happy for the record to be corrected

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and nuance to be added

undone iris
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Not sure, what you try to say. So I'm out. Peace. 🙂

autumn charm
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ok

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take care then

minor magnet
# autumn charm

"... It can be assumed ..."
That's one hell of a leap from no evidence, to making an assumption - and then calling that "evidence"

autumn charm
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that source is.... questionable

minor magnet
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@calm umbra is 'our' specialist in Medieval clothing, and is a LARPer/reenactor in early medieval Euro history stuff , He makes his own period-appropriate shoes and costume - and explains how on his youtube channel.

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he's probably a better source of info than "assumptions"

minor magnet
undone iris
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We'll never know for sure, until someone invents a time machine and we can go and take a look for ourselves.
But even if we don't "assume" anything about shoes in early or middle or late middle ages regardless of being noble or peasant, rich or poor or something inbetween: We do know that people accustomed to going barefoot won't take damage simply by running around without shoes (and that is what this suggestion is about).

minor magnet
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whatever the suggestion originally was doesn't much matter since we've long since moved on to discussing the realities (or fantasies) of the situation ... and we could do this all year - if you like.

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or just maybe some mod will have the sense to close this as it's just going around in circles.

formal hollow
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No need to close it! But please keep it on topic and relevant to the game, thanks 😄 feel free to ping me if things start getting out of hand

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You never know when someone might come along with a fresh perspective or a different spin on the same idea so unless all hell breaks loose I prefer to keep older threads open rather than see them closed and people creating new threads for almost the same thing. But like I said - if anyone has any issues with anything please feel free to ping me or use #🎫-discord-server-support 🙂