Conflict Structures Plus

[charred cave]

Summary
This mod adds some more fortifications to the game. They are made with existing game prefabs. It's WIP so things will change and improve.

Please let me know If you have any additional ideas to make base fortification a bit easier or ideas on how to solve listed issues below.

Workshop Link
https://reforger.armaplatform.com/workshop/66AEE0E5EB7839C6-ConflictStructuresPlus

Current structures

• Long Barbed Wire US/USSR
• Long Half Wall US/USSR
• Long Half Wall Double US/USSR
• Long Wall High US/USSR
• Long Wall High Corner US/USSR
• Long Wall Wire Top US/USSR
• Long Wall High Double US/USSR
• Long Wall High Double with Bunker US/USSR
• Tank Cover US/USSR
• Indirect Fire Shelter US/USSR

Current issues

• If on high walls, bottom sandbags get destroyed, top one keeps floating in the air.
• They all have the same build time and I will need to find a way to adjust that

[fluid mulch]

Idk about u but imo I'd use the trench prefabs BI already has

And maybe put dunes so u it like blends with terrain etc

[charred cave]

That's what those dirt mounds are for. They stay mostly underground when build is placed

[charred cave]

will look into that 100%

[fluid mulch]

Those trenches prefabs would look very nice as compositions if u find a way to make it blend into terrain so it doesn't look weird

[charred cave]

i tested real quick and for now I can only get them to be build on top of terrain. And tbh it looks kind of wonky. Just a big mound of dirt 😄

[fluid mulch]

There is one with wood paneling and metal sheet one aswell

Don't you think if you made the dirt mounds on the side go down more, wouldnt it look nicer?

[charred cave]

I know there is different variations.

These dirt mounds on the side are V shaped so I tried to align top of V to edge of trench, otherwise you can see under the trench at some points.

[fluid mulch]

Alr

Would be cool to see those trenches if u can do it

[charred cave]

Thank you for idea, will definetly try to make it work somehow.

Trenches will probably need to stay on top of ground tough.

[fluid mulch]

Its fine if it stays above ground,I just wish it would not look goofy asf

[past patrol]

can u build them with construction trucks

[charred cave]

Im pretty sure you can. Havent tested yet tbh.

[past patrol]

ok

[charred cave]

Indeed you can place these from construction truck and I also solved issue about overlapping.

[fluid mulch]

Sick

If u want some good compositions to build,id check out the compositions from Arma 3 SOG Prairie Fire,they're above terrain ones

[charred cave]

mind sharing some screenshots or links? I don't have a3 installed currently 🙁

[fluid mulch]

K

Best image i can find, the wiki for fob buildings has all the images taken down

[orchid hound]

I'm guessing this could work in GM as well be really cool for mission makers to have guys build a fob of their own design for a mission.

[charred cave]

Ofc...these builds will be available for GM and as buildable objects too

[charred cave]

https://reforger.armaplatform.com/workshop/66AEE0E5EB7839C6-ConflictStructuresPlus

[orchid hound]

Awesome thanks

[fluid mulch]

Any new structures.planned atm?

[royal bronze]

You should make the tank cover a bit wider for abrams and Bradley's to use

[charred cave]

If you have more suggestions on what to make, please tell me and I will make it.

[devout cedar]

It's not possible, they'd have to be so far off the ground because you can't crave the terrain on a dime

[fluid mulch]

Look how SOG prairie fire did it and it still looks ok

[charred cave]

Its as high as player character, only head is sticking out.

One way would be to lower it a bit into ground and then raise sides with some low sandbags

Looks like this from the side

[fluid mulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/961687761151221773/1371436905668939836/attachment78789798.gif

Could we get wavy trenches aswell perchance

[charred cave]

Its not that bad🤣...you can look and shoot over

[charred cave]

Wdym by wavy?

[subtle pine]

Not good enough until MHQ garage is there 😛

[charred cave]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-husky-soon-gif-7801078

[fluid mulch]

@charred cave similar to the longer trenches up here

[charred cave]

I was trying to make indirect fire shelter. What do you think? Too big?

[fluid mulch]

Looks a bit big yeah

I can send u a pic of one from prairie fire

[fluid mulch]

Best i could find

Its basically a big box made of sand bags with dirt mounds on the out side

Looks like this from above

I can't really find good,clear images of SOG prairie fire compositions

[pliant plover]

I hope this pictures can help u with some ideas 🙏🏽

[fading sierra]

Awesome

[charred cave]

Thank you so much bro.

[fluid mulch]

I love you bro,tysm

[charred cave]

Way more compact version of short trench

[subtle pine]

Lovely

[fluid mulch]

Not bad

[fluid mulch]

We will still have this version right? This would be like the cheapest trench to build

[charred cave]

I can leave it in but it really looks bad imo. And there will not be much difference in supplies cost anyway.

[fluid mulch]

I get u but I think the SOG prairie fire look of trenches being above ground looks fine

Until we get terrain reforming during games we'll have to make due ig

[charred cave]

Its just because these trench models are made to be built into the ground by mapmakers, so they are short on the side. Then you need to extend those edges to the ground with dirt mounds and its not exactly great option😅

Maybe we can get someone to model it, but thats long shot

[fluid mulch]

Dumb suggestion but could u cover the edges with sand bags?

@pliant plover srry to bug but could you provide an image of a singular trench piece from prairie fire?

[charred cave]

Its possible to do it with any prefab that is in the game

Maybe we could find something better for this in the files

Those ace dirt mounds that you can build with showel would be nice

[fluid mulch]

I mean instead of have a gradually sloping dirt mounds,couldn't we just put sand bags?

[charred cave]

The problem is on the outside side that is touching the ground. If you would put bsandbags there it would be abnoxious

[fluid mulch]

Oh you were talking bout the out side part,mb

[charred cave]

Yeah..made a little graphic representation😅

[fluid mulch]

Well,could we not have that rounded trench end part and couldn't we cover the void ends of the trench with sand bags?

[charred cave]

This problem exists on other sides too

[fluid mulch]

Like have the trench end like that

[fluid mulch]

Wdym?

[charred cave]

Will look into what is possible.

[fluid mulch]

Np

[charred cave]

Dirt doesnt extent to the ground on all sides and is floating

Thats why I lowered trenches and added sandbags to the top

[fluid mulch]

Couldn't you put mounds to cover this part in blue and sandbags to cover the part in red

[charred cave]

Thank you bro. This actually doesnt look too bad

[fluid mulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/961687761151221773/1371436905668939836/attachment78789798.gif

It'd be cool if we got trench types like these aswell

And also different lengths of trenches,ie 2 meter,5 metre,10 metre,etc

[charred cave]

I will try to make all the smaller parts buildable so people can do their own trench systems

[fluid mulch]

Srry if im bugging u,just like my trenches

[charred cave]

not issue at all. Appreciate your ideas. Thanks

[fluid mulch]

Cheers

[fluid mulch]

By this,u mean making junctions,bends,etc?

[pliant plover]

sure, i'll see if i can send it today.
If Jaydee thinks this can help him, i'll see if i can find some more trenches and structures

[fluid mulch]

Cant you place trenches down in prairie fire?

[charred cave]

Every bit helps!

[pliant plover]

Yes and no... There are plenty of options as trenches on A3.

Jaydee, are the compositions u are creating persistent?

[charred cave]

Wdym persistent?

[pliant plover]

So if you load the scenario back after a server restart for example, the compositions loads back as well

There should be a persistence component (called persistence) on the prefab.
Why i ask u this.
I saw yesterday that not all sandbags and walls have the persistence component on them

[charred cave]

They behave the same was as vanilla fortifications

[pliant plover]

https://tenor.com/view/stonks-meme-gif-16107418

[charred cave]

Are you doing scenarios in game master or tools?

Will look into this issue and would also appreciate images on how that looks

[pliant plover]

Tools doing scenarioframework for the clan.

[pliant plover]

Sure, i'll see if i'm able today to send u some pictures from A3 and for the Persistence component too 🙏🏽

[charred cave]

this could work 😄 ... Now have slightly bended trench, straigh trench and junction trench

As buildables on bases these can only be overlapped slightly with the help of sandbags

image where it's actually built

junction is a b****

[devout cedar]

what does it look like when placed on uneven terrain?

[charred cave]

@devout cedar In gm it's great, but will probably make version without sandbags for GM only

[fluid mulch]

Could we get different lengths of trenches so we dont ahead to build a billion small ones pls

[charred cave]

this would actually be way easier to make for me, but smaller parts are more interesting as you can make your own system then. I just need to figure some stuff out to make it work properly

[slow crag]

I’m ngl, that is retardedly big 😂

[devout cedar]

700 supplies

[slow crag]

That’s a whole ass Furer bunker

[devout cedar]

Making it a custom medical bunker would be cool af. Making the doors smaller for an actual door to be place be cool too

[fluid mulch]

Like have short trench for specific things and longer trenches for general things

[charred cave]

It's hard to find fitting prefabs and you can only move them😅

[devout cedar]

you can scale them?

[charred cave]

how?

[devout cedar]

Give me like an hour and I can show you.

[fluid mulch]

I'm still hung up on having these as already made prefabs

[charred cave]

my attention will go to that eventually 100%

[charred cave]

figured it out...but can you scale on only x or y axis?

[devout cedar]

max scale rates you can do without breaking collisions are .5 to 1.7

[fluid mulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/961687761151221773/1371436905668939836/attachment78789798.gif

[fading sierra]

Will these be added?

[fluid mulch]

Up too @charred cave ,these just references

[charred cave]

I will use these as inspo. I dont model myself so Im just using assets that are already in the game. Whatever is possible to make i will try to make.

[charred cave]

Massive thanks for these brother!

[fading sierra]

Aight

[lucid turtle]

Dude looking through the progress this is a super cool concept! I'm stoked to see what you do with it🔥

[charred cave]

Do vanilla prefabs work? Because those dont contain this component

[pliant plover]

Some elements inside the prefab itself include the persistence component. It would be great if someone from BI could provide us with some information about that.

[charred cave]

Everyone would love a video about this. Seems simple and then it's not😅

Unfortunatelly I also have issue with overlapping again, it kinda works on one side and doesnt on the other

[charred cave]

Finally fixed overlapping🥳 Now I can focus on some new builds

[wraith eagle]

When will the trenches be updated to the mod?

[charred cave]

Im still trying to figure out a good way to use those.

On flat terrain its okayish but on uneven terrain its pretty bad

[wraith eagle]

Is this any help? https://reforger.armaplatform.com/workshop/60EB593597401D9F-BuildingEnhanced

[versed ruin]

Forgor about this

[charred cave]

Yeah me too😅

Have a lot of bugs and issues im not sure how to fix

[versed ruin]

Aw man