Lmfao China some garbage, look at Iran.

[serene viper]

People said Iran was a powerful military
Then their entire air force, missile force, and AA network was dismantled in two weeks by a military fighting a 3 front war, several countries over from them

Chinese stuff doesn't stand a chance, would be nice to see them in Reforger though so we have more stuff to shoot at

[midnight forge]

Exactly my point

Straight DooDoo with that capital “D”

[faint maple]

Iran was always a regional power at best. It’s not stronk.

China meanwhile is stronk. screaming COPY COPY COPY doesnt discredit that

[serene viper]

Their military acts tough but is weaker than it is

People thought Russia was a superpower too, until they couldn't even bully their neighbor as easily as they wanted to

[faint maple]

russia showing off they’re clinically tard’d

[serene viper]

China is no different in that regard

[faint maple]

china is also tard’d, but has more modern stuff

[serene viper]

It looks modern, but it's not modern

No matter what people say about the ZBD-99, it's still a T-90 with a square turret

Slap a Made in China label on it and call it a day

[faint maple]

it do be modern though

[serene viper]

It's made of paper and cardboard, and it's fuel was probably sold by its crew for money, and replaced with Water

Like half of their missiles and rockets

[faint maple]

https://preview.redd.it/infantrymen-of-the-same-pla-marine-corps-unit-2021-vs-2023-v0-ehewlvgibagb1.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=3df8fa12f665634a46def8880b39d4c41d8c5310

[serene viper]

Bright blue camo

That'll go well

We love to see it
Emphasis on See

[faint maple]

left is the old stuff

[serene viper]

And posting a picture of a Viper Operator beside a 90s Marine doesn't prove a point

The average Chinese soldier isn't running around with an SMG and NODs, wearing a flecktarn ripoff

Select members of their SOF are

PLA Regulars tend to look like this

Bullpup rifles with optics on them
Something the British and French figured out decades ago

And heavy, low cut helmets, often times without Nod mounts

Majority of their heavier assets are Russian in origin, then adopted and redesigned

BMP-2s with custom turrets, T-90As with custom turrets, S-300s and Tunguska AA systems with different names, sukhoi jets with different paint jobs, and so on

They've caught up to Russia, and in some cases exceeded them. A few F-35s, F-22s, B-2s, and a month, and their entire ability to fight back in the air, and half their Navy, is gone

[midnight forge]

Bro ain’t no lie there.

If you ain’t ignorant and look at the full picture with an open mind you’ll decipher China is just a Paper Tiger Army Navy Airforce with no experience to back any of its supposed “capabilities” up too.

And let’s be real 2 weeks was for a small country. If the US did it, we are talking about days

[serene viper]

China is only scary in its numbers

Just means we gotta make a few more sorties to take out just a few more AA batteries

[midnight forge]

Kill enough of them and they’ll stop lol

I feel like though a war with China would go straight nuclear before they allow us to crush them like they should be crushed.

[hazy coyote]

Could say the exact same thing about NATO in the middle east.

And then the commonwealth + US in Vietnam.

[midnight forge]

No comparison yackadoo

We crushed in the Middle East and Vietnam

[steel perch]

Not to discredit women but I do not think that they would have a good chance against a 200cm USMC Rifleman from Georgia

[midnight forge]

Politics caused the end of Vietnam

[hazy coyote]

Yeah crushed at the start of both until you started getting crushed yourself.

[midnight forge]

Crushed all through

[hazy coyote]

No the capturing of Saigon was🥀

[hazy coyote]

Hardly

[midnight forge]

Lmao ok guy read some history come back when you do

[hazy coyote]

And if you think otherwise your brainwashed

Yeah knew it

[serene viper]

We let them have it, cause politicians held us back and forced us to retreat

[hazy coyote]

Rah America so good 💔

[midnight forge]

We smash and that’s that.

[serene viper]

If we werent held back at every step by Reporters and Politicians, we would have done better faster
We absolutely slayed, but beurocracy held us back

[hazy coyote]

It's hilarious how the US government has in school curriculums that the US has won every war it's been apart of because it can't handle the PR that it hasn't won a war since basically 1945

[serene viper]

Hartley, read up on Operation Bolo

Fat Electrician made a really good video on it

It showcases the general sentiments of what happened during Vietnam on our end

[midnight forge]

I don’t follow the US government guy. I follow history and look at things with an open mind. It’s people like you that think otherwise

[serene viper]

Politicians making things impossible, then us finding a way to make it possible again

Killing off half of North Vietnams air force in a week is one of those cases

[hazy coyote]

Could then say the same about every war in existence?

[serene viper]

Forcing every single US bomber down a strip of land thats 50 KM wide and 700 KM long is barely "The same as any war in existence"

[steel perch]

I am not too good at American history but wouldn't the Korean War count as a victory since they stopped the spread of Communism to the South?

[serene viper]

And removing Missiles from planes by forcing us to fire them only when we see the enemies in their cockpits is another issue

• too close to actually lock and use them

[hazy coyote]

The war ceased with a ceasefire. By technicality it's still going.

[serene viper]

If China didnt get involved it would have been an overwhelming victory

Even after China got involved, we pushed them back from the coast and right back to their border

We gave up land willingly to agree to a ceasefire

Its the equivalent of capturing all of Hokkaido, and everything but Tokyo, then giving back the japanese mainland as a gesture of good faith
Korea was essentially Annexed, and we gave it up cause we're the good guys

[midnight forge]

Look at the freaking casualty lists in comparison. No comparison whatsoever

[serene viper]

Korea was the last war they fought with a near peer foe

Besides a few thousand troops acting as peacekeepers, China doesnt have combat experience

[steel perch]

I am not overly pro-American in anyway, obviously, but it is a little silly to not admit that they didn't earn a reputation of being a war nation for no reason. I see an argument a lot that the U.S. spent 20 years in Afghanistan just to leave [Biden's fault] but they forget that America did demolish a lot of terrorism in the region in those 20 years..? I don't know, just coming from a Russian

[serene viper]

Isis went from controlling half of the Middle East, to being a Hassan fans wet dream in just a few short years

Other countries bravely helped us fight them, but we did the majority of the work
We're back to back champions on stamping down terrorism

[hazy coyote]

Not the same no but politicians limiting what forces can do which then leads to forces looking weaker then they are

[faint maple]

2000s marine next to a 2020s marine

[serene viper]

Operation Rolling Thunder and Operation Bolo
I mean it, look it up

Those two situations explain the entire vietnam war at a cursory glance

[hazy coyote]

Different tactics means different casualty lists. Could make the same point saying who lost the most money

[serene viper]

If given the proper means, we devestated them

[steel perch]

Did Vietnam not also sign for peace after being bombed relentlessly for days? I could be wrong, I do not know American history well

[serene viper]

Billions of dollars of North Vietnamese Property Damage, all for the low low price of a few napalm bombs
Hoorah

[hazy coyote]

With the help of not only majority of NATO plus partners but rival militias and factions in the middle east

[midnight forge]

Shoot we could have only used the Marines in both wars and it wouldn’t have even been fair to the enemy. No reins just go do what you do and you’d see nothing but scorched earth

[midnight forge]

How naive do you have to be? Plenty examples being provided and you think it’s all propaganda fed by our government. Bro open that mind

[serene viper]

55% of NATO is the United States of America

[midnight forge]

💯

[serene viper]

The other 45% are smaller, less powerful groups, that rely on us every step of the way

[steel perch]

Damn

[serene viper]

2% of GDP
US GDP is 30 something Trillion
Lithuanian GDP is like 3 BIllion
2% of 30 Trillion is more than the next several countries 2% combined

Proportionally, they barely meet expectations
In terms of sheer numbers, we are the overwhelming majority

[serene viper]

Yeah thats about right

[hazy coyote]

Pretty ironic

[midnight forge]

When you provide a viable alternative then you’ll have my attention.

[hazy coyote]

Thing is if I were to, you would still deny it because you think America is the best. In some categories, it is and I'll admit that, all that spending has to go somewhere

[serene viper]

Have you read the Communist Manifesto? Hartley loves that one

[midnight forge]

lol

[steel perch]

Asking as a Russian, why does America spend so much on NATO compared to Europe? Considering it is supposed to be a mutually beneficial alliance, it looks very one sided and America pays all of the bills

[hazy coyote]

Didn't know I was communist when I would say I'm quite the opposite but sure make up stuff

[serene viper]

There's no good reason for it, and thats one of the reasons Trump won the election - to reinvest crazy amounts of money like that back into our own country, instead of others

We only tolerated spending that much cause your country is bullying smaller ones around it like Ukraine

[midnight forge]

So that’s the very reason Trump has been so hard on NATO. They haven’t been living up to their side of the bargain for a really long time. Now they are being forced too.

[hazy coyote]

Massive nothing burger of a sentence ^

[serene viper]

The entire reason NATO exists, was to stop stuff like this from happening

Since they arent holding their end of the bargain, we dont see much incentive financially supporting it

Let Europe fend for Europe

[steel perch]

Do you think that the U.S. would ever pull out of NATO? If they really do want to focus more on themselves would leaving NATO be beneficial?

[hazy coyote]

I'm out because you can't argue against stupidity.

Sheer blindness to anything other then the US being the best and when listening to facts you meet it with opinion. I agree with you and you then twist it to make it more suited to your argument

[serene viper]

Nope and nope

[hazy coyote]

@glossy hill come take a look at this lol

[serene viper]

We'll stick around, just wont put as much money into it

[midnight forge]

Yea I don’t see that ever happening. We still have a vested interest in Europe as without them Russia would be way worse than it has been.

We just want fair and equal contributions to the vested interest of everyone in NATO.