Rush Mentality

[hidden wadi]

Why is there such a heavy Rush mentality on Arma all of a sudden!
Arland games barely last 1 hour, Everon last about 1.5hrs.
Do people like trucking simulator or something as opposed to massive fire fights?

Seriously, I know the game does not offer a lot past SGT for ranking up but literally people end the game with default loadouts so quickly that many players don't get to experience some of the more power equipment available.

Winning a match doesn't offer much, you then spend more time fighting AI, Capturing points and Building up bases and supplies before getting into a firefight with another player. Where is the enjoyment in that and rushing the Objectives so quickly. Surely if you fancy rushing and capturing the point, maybe domination on another FPS?

I spend so much time building up the bases and running supplies for what, games just end too quickly then everyone leaves to go join another queue, boring.

[sharp badger]

Competition, they want to win

[oblique current]

You know people don't like to play games longer than 2-3h.

at that point people lose the interest

1.5 hours is a lot of time. you dont need to build up every base, bear in mind there are 24v24 in vanilla and more in other servers

[sharp badger]

arma is like a you gotta be retired to have enough time to play it kinda game 5-8hrs min lol

[hidden wadi]

But there is nothing wrong with hopping on, joining a fire team or squad, having a firefight and then hopping off after 1hr. Ending the game just seems like a massive stopping point. Rushing to end it just stop all the game momentum and empties the server.

[oblique current]

Well capturing bases will take longer in 1.3

[naive jacinth]

I find if both teams have the "rush" mentality it tends to lead to enjoyable, natural fights too.

[hidden wadi]

I see where you are coming from. But then with that logic no single player campaign should be longer then 1 hour, all games should be completable in 1 hour.

[native sundial]

New players are getting good

[hidden wadi]

I dunno from the vanilla conflict I find people just bush lay the objectives for the 7 mins it takes to secure the win.

Have you ever played the KOTH mode, now that has some epic fire-fights

[native sundial]

What else are you supposed to do if not hide?

[hidden wadi]

I wouldn't say so much, because I find playing from both teams players don't even understand the core-mechanics or the objectives, i.e no realising the Purple named objectives are infact the Objectives needed to secure the win

[native sundial]

I mean two weeks ago they didn't know there were objectives

[hidden wadi]

This is true but getting 20-30 mins into a game and just having people laying in bushes is just not the Arma I am use to experiencing

[oblique current]

play another gamemode then

[native sundial]

Tbf there is a lot more foliage on this map than any other I feel like.

These maps*

[oblique current]

destruction will def change that

although bushes cant be destroyed

[native sundial]

Lmao true

[naive jacinth]

I usually play Everon, not Arland. Could be different.
I have not.

Bush laying should be countered by the other team getting a command truck or radio packs or smth and hammering the obj.

[native sundial]

Btrs gonna be used to clear forests not points

[oblique current]

in 1.3 yo wont be able to spawn on bases that are being captured

[hidden wadi]

I am not disapproving of the bush mechanic, its more:
This game has a very extensive engine and game mechanics.

Games hardly even get pas the rank of CPL before the countdown timer starts

[oblique current]

you know its really easy to get cpl, take one base and done

you can get lieteunant in 30 min

[native sundial]

Tbh that is only a skill issue. I reach captain after the fourth objective I take. Do not forget to mark your missions.

[naive jacinth]

I feel it could be a large-scale skill issue.

[sharp badger]

take one base, do supply runs, kill ai and you get rank ez

[native sundial]

Fr

[hidden wadi]

You are getting the wrong end of the stick. I was the only Major on my team many people didn't even understand the core mechanics and I help where I can explaining it.
The point I made earlier about people winning with standard load out kits, goes to show lack of understanding.

[native sundial]

One supply run will get you half way to Sgt and if you do it on a point you're going to take gg no re

Standard load outs are viable

ot everyone needs drip some of us know our skill

[oblique current]

its natural to suck at a game at the start

[hidden wadi]

This is what I am saying, by players Rushing they are not even aware of these mechanics or process. It's basically drop in go fight. They don't know you need to build a radio tower to spawn, vehicle bay for vehicle, armoury for loadouts. Supplies to fund it all.
Its just drop in shoot repeat.

[oblique current]

once people play a bit they will learn, although the kind of ppl who play this sometimes are the most clueless people

[oblique current]

ur issue is that new players spawn at the combat due to having no idea on what to do?

[hidden wadi]

I played a game yesterday where the RU were massively getting land slided and our main base had 3 armouries because the guys there thought that the armour had ran out and building a new one meant it would have guns

[naive jacinth]

I do prefer Everon, it forces you to know some more of the mechanics due to map size.

[hidden wadi]

sort of, but more there is no chance for them to get a better understanding or contribute more accurately to the war effort.

[oblique current]

there is, watch a video. Try to learn the gamemode

its about the mentality

they come from games where every info is fed into their face

[hidden wadi]

Well this is where I like to go and try and help. I am not shaming players for being unaware or new to the game. It just sucks that before they can get an understanding they have 7 mins left of that match

[oblique current]

Join pbs and there you will have very long games due to both teams being bad

[hidden wadi]

I know the game, I am just willing to help other people.
I have like 50 hours on core arma 2, not including Dayz / PUBG mod.
then 500+ on Arma 3
and over 200+ on Arma Reforger.

[oblique current]

well the best response for you tbh is just to wait

wait till 1.3 comes

[hidden wadi]

because destruction will help the delay the rush?

[oblique current]

and it will take them much longer to take bases

like 3-4minutes

[hidden wadi]

My thoughts are if it carries on, when this update hits, most players will not see the LAFVs or the Mortar teams

[hidden wadi]

Ah right

[native sundial]

Hmm

[hidden wadi]

The behaviour of a vanilla match has gone from Main base camping to straight rush OBJ's
Hopefully this update will change this.

Also can't get the Mined Out Achievement.

[native sundial]

That is what training is for tbf. I don't have any issue with the new players getting better and not spending an hour and a half at an arsenal built at mob at the start.

We are still seeing new players daily and that will create some weird games. I feel a lot of new players are usually on the US side causing a one sided fight. Russians can be outnumbered 2:1 and still beat ass.

No matter how it does go tho you need those rush players. The best defense is a good offence and they are doing a pretty good job with that motto, I feel.